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believe jesus was buried, they celebrates his resurrection. it is a time of hope for christians even with the holy land in the grip of war. jerusalem is a contested city, claimed as a capital by both israelis and palestinians. now members of the tiny christian minority around 15,000 believers say they are under attack. there has been a spike in assaults by ultra orthodox jews including spitting at christians and desecrating a graveyard. al sand row is a palestinian christian who showed us around jerus jerusalem's ancient christian corridor. >> it is difficult, because you see it is no people -- the situation here is so bad. >> reporter: around a thousand

christians live in the gaza strip where their hoping simply to stay alive. many have taken shelter inside of churches in gaza, praying for protection. but one church compound was hit by an israeli air strike in october. killing at least 18. in tel aviv last night, anti-government protests filled the streets, the israel's ministry of defense angry at netanyahu's failure to bring the remaining hostages home. these were the biggest demonstrations of netanyahu's government since the war began. ships are headed to gaza and this week the international court of justice ordered israel to allow the access of humanitarian aid into the gaza srip saying that famine is, quote, set in there. >> thanks to holly williams reporting from jerusalem. one of the international aid

groups working to aid into gaza is the world food program and on friday we asked the executive director, cindy mccain, what needs to change on the ground so her teams could operate there. >> we need full unfettered access and we doan have that. we could occasionally get a few trucks in, get all the way to the north. but it is not consistent and it is not to scale either. all of the other issues regarding maritime and air drops are all good. we need any way to be able to get in and in any way we can. but they can't take it to scale. we really need access to the road and we need to be able to get up to the north all the way without caught at checkpoints and turned around. >> i read the world food program addressing the basic food needs will require 300 trucks to enter gaza every day and distribute food especially in the north as you mentioned. but you've only managed to get about nine convoys of trucks in

since the start of the year. that is nothing, right? >> it is nothing. it really is. and we were able to, yesterday, or today i guess it was, get nine trucks in period. we also were part of an air drop today. that was 6.1 metric tons. that is nothing. we just cannot continue this way. as you know, famine is imminent in the north. and so unless we can really convince our diplomatic groups and our political groups around the world to help convince the israelis that we must get in and we must do it in a sustained and unfettered way. we can't -- people are going to die other wise and they are already dying. >> when you or your colleagues speak with israeli officials about getting the access, what the reason giving you why they are not letting you in. are they not understanding the situation or is there some other reason? >> i'm not sure where the mistake has been made.

but i do know there has been accusations that the u.n. isn't doing their job which couldn't be further from the truth. so i think, again, it is politics, i think it is something that -- that various factions are involved in. all i want -- all i need to know is when and where we could take the food in and make sure that we could distribute it. that is what i want to know from theize raely government. >> you're concerned about what is happening in parts of africa, sudan, and south sudan and chad and you is he had this could become the world's largest hunger crisis. why is that? >> well, quite frankly, it is a forgotten crisis now. sudan is no longer paid attention to in the world media. and things haven' stopped there. people are still fighting. there is no food. we have no access. and we're also fighting a climate change issue there as well. so it is almost a combination of a perfect storm. with 2.2 million refugees across

borders in various countries especially chad and the funding sources and our ability to fund, it just isn't matching. we don't have enough money and we need to be able to make sure that we could feed the refugees that cross the border and also get access into sudan from the west side, the southern side and through the north. we have got to get food in there as well because it can be and will be, i hope not and pray not, the next largest humanitarian crisis that we'll know. >> and not only humanitarian crisis, you suggest it could be a national security risk for the united states, right? >> very much so. people migrate. the bad guys get mixed up in this. food is the major element here in being able to keep populations stable and keeping them healthy as well. with those two things not tended to, then people migrate and they

run and take their families, they do anything they can to feed their families. >> you've made an interesting point that is a good reminder to all of us, that these hunger crises around the world are not being caused by natural disasters, but by man made events an conflict and nowhere in this hemisphere where we sit, is that most apparent than in haiti. what is the situation there as you understand it? >> it is catastrophic. we are still in there and we are still working in the north somewhat and somewhat down toward the center. but it is a very dicey situation. we are continuing our school feeding programs but once again, as you've seen, there have been evacuations of u.n. personnel out of there, it is just a -- again, this is a diplomatic solution. this is a manmade crisis and we need a diplomatic solution and we need it now, right now.

>> we would be remissi if we didn't ask you about the death of the late senator joe lieberman who was such a good friend to you and to your late husband. what did he mean to the mccain family? >> oh, he was uncle joe to my children and a friend to my family and i had the extreme opportunity of watching two men together not only navigate the difficulties that the world offered up to them as -- in what they did, but also watched them solve problems together in a way that was gracious and kind and loving towards humanity. and i had the good fortunate to call him my friend. >> executive director cindy mccain of the world food program, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. and we'll be right back. i'm sam morrison. my brother max recommended you. so, my best friend sophie says you've been a huge help. at ameriprise financial, more than 9 out of 10 of our clients are likely to recommend us. our neighbors, the garcía's,

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given all the trouble the world is facing. we spoke on thursday with the catholic archbishop of washington, wilton cardinal gregory and mariann buddy and we began how they recount through the tough times. >> we are part of a broad christian faith that encourages us to trust and to believe that fundamentally our god is a god of love and that god, the source of all that is good in the world, is with us. and that doesn't negate or soften the reality of the struggles that we face and certainly the difficulties of the world. and in fact, the witness of jesus would say, no, go to those places, be present, be open, and trust that the worst that happens isn't the final word. >> one of the things that i would -- i try to remind our people of is that in spite of the difficulties that we are

currently facing, and they are serious, and they are deep, but they are not the way that god intended his creation. and in the book of genesis, repeatedly it said that god, after creating the heavens and the earth, he looked at it and saw it was good. that is the statement that we need to remind our people of, that god's creation is fundamentally good, flawed by sin, flawed by our hatred and violence, but still substantially a good creation. >> god to be hard for people to appreciate that or to be reminded of that, whether they're dealing with something personal or seeing what is happening in their communities or in the world. and certainly there is plenty of good that goes on. but there is -- >> it requires practice and discipline to focus on goodness. and to be a source of goodness. it is not hard to be negative. it is not hard to be even

cynical about the world. that is actually really easy to do. people of faith are called to a higher -- are called to set our gaze higher and to be -- to be those who are not only looking for good, but actively trying to promote it. >> it is been four years since the world locked down in the midst of the pandemic. >> yes. >> and that is when the two of you began to do your work together. you're no strangers to each other. >> that is right. >> we met the weekend before everything shut down. >> we got in just under the wire. >> and like many others were able to maintain your relationship, but from a distance of course. how are we doing spiritually in the four years since that began? >> there is an uptick in church attendance. now, we didn't begin with a robust assembly to begin with, but we're watching the numbers return. the one cohort that i'm

concerned about, two cohorts really, would be our elderly, who are still somewhat hesitant to come out, but the outreach to our young adults, our young people are not approaching organized religion with the same value structure that their parents and their grandparents had. so we have got to do more to draw -- we've got to market the church. >> a couple of things are truly striking. i think the rise of mental health concerns across the country, regardless of religion or affiliation, and the sheer numbers. i was listen to someone working in the criminal justice system here in the district saying that there is a direct correlation with the rise of youth violence and crime that we're seeing with the dislocation that young people experienced during the pandemic, when there was just nothing for them. i also feel that perhaps some of

the polarization that we experience as a country, was exacerbated by that and so to the degree that we could be instruments of healing and of friendship and good will across the country, i feel like c christians are at our best. >> if could model for the world, and not just for young people, but for all people that it is possible to have friendships, relationships, and personal affection for people that you have differences with. that is a wonderful gesture of what we are really called certainly as people of faith to live and engage in. >> and with the rising numbers, as we see it across the country, anti-semitism, islamaphobia, if the leaders an the churches and the mosques and the synagogues if we could remember our

friendships with one another and stand with one another in these times, we could do a lot. we could do a lot to bring that caustic energy down. >> the two major candidates we have running for president invoke christianity. and i know thisset goods a little tricky. but we have one who is now selling bibles. that also have copies of the constitution and a bill of rights in this them. but the other is the secondary catholic president who goes to church every sunday, who observes the holy days of obligation and builds his schedule around them. but doesn't talk at all publicly and is uncomfortable speaking about his own faith. are you comfortable with the role an the level of christianity in our politics today. >> whereas faith used to be the voice, the moral voice that political people, whether they

adhere to everything, they would turn to find that the moral campus was faith, i think in some cases it is the political world that is beginning to set or claiming to set the moral voice. we've switched position. there is a great need, i believe, to place faith in its proper position, which is not necessarily antagonistic to the political arena. but to seize the responsibility of being that guiding principle, that moral light for our people to turn to. >> i'm very concerned about the way that the message of

christianity is being distorted in our country right now. i think it is a cause for deep concern. i feel it is -- it is an abuse of the faith. and i have to be very careful because i'm not perfect in my understanding of what it means, a., to be a perfect christian, i'm not a perfect christian or a perfect american, but i think we are walking on very thin ice. i would encourage anyone who buys a bible to read the bible and in particular to read the teachings of jesus and then to set our policies if we're going to call ourselves a christian nation, against the highest aspirations that jesus calls us to. >> in the case of the president, do you get a sense that his regular attendance and adherence to the faith resonates with american catholics? >> i could say that he's very sincere about his faith, but like a number of catholics, he picks and chooses dimensions of the faith to highlight while

ignoring or contradicting other parts. there is a phrase that we have used in the past, a cafeteria catholic, you choose that which is attractive and dismiss that which is challenging. >> or as thomas aquin us would say, you allow your conscience to guide you. >> is there something on the menu he's not ordering, in your view? so to speak? >> i would say there are things, especially in terms of life issues, there are things that he chooses to ignore or he uses the current situation as a political pawn rather than saying, look, my church believes this. >> it is also possible to be a

practitioner of the faith as a public leader and not require everyone that you lead in your country to be guided by all of the precepts of your faith, right. >> and in my coverage of him, it seems that is what he believes. your concern is that he should be more explicit in his own personal belief which is a personal opposition to abortion but understanding as a public leader, in a free society, he's not to be -- >> he's not to place that on everybody else. i'll just say that i worship with the president when he comes to washington national cathedral and one thing that i admire, there is not a funeral of a states person or a state person's spouse that he does not attend, stay through the entire service and speak from the pulpit as a eulogy and i find that example to be an expression of authentic faith. >> is there any biden effect in

the pews, perhaps? >> i would not put a lot of emphasis on that. he does attend church regularly with great, you know, devotion. but he also steps aside some of the hot-button issues or uses the hot-button issues as a political tool, which it's not -- it is not the way that i think we would want our faith to be used. the issues of life begin at the very beginning and they conclude at natural death. and you can't -- you can't pick and choose.

you're either one who respects life, and all of its dimensions, or you have to step aside and say, i'm not pro-life, i'm, you know, in one side of the equation i feel that i could support this dimension of life, but in others, i would step aside. >> i love the spectrum of life. i think you could be an adherence of the spectrum of life and still respect a woman's right to choose in her reproductive health and when to have a abortion in the early stages of pregnancy. i believe that is possible as a christian and still hold to the full spectrum of life. >> we know in the case of the president, he communicates occasionally with the holy father, with the pope francis. do you have any sense that the pope conveys your frustrations to the president?

>> i would not be at all surprised to have pope francis have the opportunity to speak directly to the president regarding that. one of the things that i think pope francis does and does extraordinarily well is that he engaged people. this past week, pope francis met with two different fathers. one palestinian, and one jewish. both of whom had lost a daughter during this conflict. and what was absolutely marvelous was rather than turn against each other, they decided with god's grace to say that this experience of pain that they both had suffered brought

them together rather than drove them apart. >> and that is a resurrection story right there. >> yes. >> archbishop of washington, wilton cardinal gregory and the reverend marianne e budde, thank you for spending time with us. let's do it again and happy easter. >> happy easter. >> happy easter to you. >> and to you. >> happy easter, my good friend. >> and we'll be right back. charged with style. the fully-electric audi q4 e-tron. get exceptional offers at your local audi dealer.

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♪ >> announcer: this is the "cbs overnight news." we begin at the vatican, where pope francis today overcame health concerns, giving his traditional easter message to tens of thousands of catholics gathered in st. peter's square. the 87-year-old pontiff pleaded for peace, renewig appeals for a cease-fire in gaza, calling on greater aid delivie