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call our warm line at (833) 317-4673 or live chat at calhope.org today. kitchen ♪ ♪ took a whole lot of trying ♪ i'm embrennan in washington, and this week on "face the nation," the clock is ticking. the first ever default on american debt may be days away and president biden rushes home to make a deal. the president's trip overseas was meant to reinforce america's role as a global leader, but back in washington, political dysfunction threatens to trigger a possible economic crisis. mr. biden accused some republicans of scheming to deliberately damage the economy in an effort to deny him a second term. >> because i am president and president is responsible for everything, biden would take the blame. >> house speaker kevin mccarthy blamed the white house for
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moving backwards in budget talks. >> they actually want to spend more money than we spend this year. we can't do that. >> with the talks seemingly at an impasse, we'll turn to two congressmen trying to work with two congressmen working across the aisle. josh gottheimer and pennsylvania republican brian fitzpatrick and the impact of the migration crisis on american cities. new york city governor eric adams says he's not getting any help from the government. >> the national government has turned its back on new york city. >> we'll hear from him this morning. plus, mime's mayor francis suarez who is w24 presi. then, prescription drug shortages approach report levels in the u.s. causing delays of necessary medical treatments. we'll talk solutions with former fda commissioner dr. scott gotlieb, and finally a conversation with former defense secretary robert gates on the
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cost of domestic dysfunction. it's all ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning and welcome to "face the nation." over the weekend, frustrations boiled over as talks broke down between the white house and republicans who were trying to hammer out a deal to raise the federal government's borrowig limit before a looming june 1st deadline. president biden said this morning he'll speak personally with house speaker kevin mccarthy on his flight home from the g7 summit in japan in an effort to break the impasse. the window for action is narrowing. treasury secretary janet yellen predicts the country may only have enough cash to pay another week and a half worth of bills, and if the u.s. misses a payment they will have to make hard choices. a default would threaten the global economy.
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the last time negotiations were down to the wire like this was more than a decade ago. in 2011 then president obama and vice president biden struck a deal with senate republicans two days before a default. this time the politics are far trickier. joining us now are two congressmen trying to find some common ground. pennsylvania republican brian fitzpatrick and new jersey democrat job gottheimer. they are the co-chairmen of the house problem solvers caucus which represents the moderates within each party. gentlemen, i know a lot of people hope you sve thesei w t, weekend when a deal was struck so you could vote in the coming days. are we at the point where we need to talk about buying time with just a short-term lift of the debt ceiling so we avoid default? >> hi, margaret. thanks for having us. the president and the speaker are going to speak shortly,
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probably about within the next hour or two when the president is returning from japan. i think it's really important that they sit down in person. it's really heard when you have emissaries acting on your behalf with, you know, the president not here to actually fix this, so we weren't incredibly surprised that they hit an impasse. this is going to take time. we knew it was going to take time, but you've heard both the speaker and the president still remain optimistic that they are going to figure this out. do i believe that they will, margaret. you know, we passed a bill in the house. >> yeah. >> obviously, you know, it's is not something the senate is willing to take up, but the senate should take up something because they need to indicate to us what they can rally 60 senators around to get across the finish line because the only way we get across the finish line, the president cannotaln ouse and se h to pass their individual bills. we have to go to conference and send that conference report to the president. >> the president talked about that unilateral action, and even he said would have legal consequences he's not confident in, but on the question of the short term, it sounds like you
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think there is still time for a broader deal on the budget and the debt ceiling. >> i do, margaret. >> okay. >> the june 1st date was probably, according to secretary yellen, the earliest possible date. there's something called a non-technical default which -- a technical default would mean we do have enough cash flow to pay the interest on out debt. we do have enough cash flow to do that. we'll start to see the state tax revenues come in the second week of june so i think we're okay on that. we'll have time and i really do think we should allow leeway and flexibility for the speaker and the president who both understand the gravity of this situation to work this out. i think they will. >> sounds like you think there is more negotiating room here than what the tasy secretary says. congressman gottheimer, question for you. when you hear that, what do you believe here? is june 1st not really a hard deadline, or do you actually think we need to have a short-term lift of the debt
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ceiling to avoid default? >> i mean, i think we have to presume june 1st is the date if that's what the treasury secretary is the day. regardless if we have a few more days, the bottom line we can't continue to play chicken with the full faith and credit of the united states of america. the risks are too significant as we both know, get to paying our debts and when that would mean with our reputation in the world and the government of china would love us to default. people's savings and the 401(k)s and the risk is real of sending us into a recession if we default. that has not to be an option but as brian said, it's going to take all of us, democrat and republicans to get done. >> right. >> and that's the only way it's ever going to pass because democrats and republicans, because you'llrigh it will take people like brian anderike this who ar get e i'm very gladthe esident andpebvious connecting moar have dedaveryineet well, are
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already g wall street is already making younk thathers time toer then?r >> well, i want to say i do agree with josh. we should assume the skate june 1st, but the math tells us there's a little bit of wiggle room that. being said, margaret to your point, it's not just the "x" date we've got to worry about, nine days in 2011 is when our credit rating got downgraded. >> exactly. >> it's not just the "x" grade but that's why it's incredibly time-sensitive no. question about it. the conversations can't come soon new. i do think it's very, very important, margaret, because i do believe the president and the speaker legitimately respect each other. i believe they legitimately do want to come to a conclusion here, and i think it's important that they physically be in the same room together make that
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happen, and i'm glad the president is coming back home. >> congressman gottheimer, president biden said he cannot guarantee that some extreme republicans won't force default by doing something outrageous. there's -- it's not clear what politico thathereer demos on the problem solvers caucus privately discussing ways to help protect speaker mccarthy from being ousted from power by other republicans. is that true, and if so how far along are those talks? >> i haven't been directly part of any of those, but i'll say this. >> but they are happening. >> i think -- i don't know if those are happening, and -- i think if we get a deal done, we'll be able to get enough democrats and republicans to get this done, and i'll obviously talk and defer to brian on his republican caucus politics, but what's most important for right now is making sure we get a deal that' reasonable enough that
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you can get democrats and republicans a big enough swath to agree in the house and, of course, as brian pointed out in the senate. that's the only way this happens. so whatever we come up with has to be reasonable, and let me say this. just from a big picture perspective, right. bwhe a part right? >> right. >> it should not be a democrat or republican issue. notg a win for the country. that's not a give for anybody. that should be table stakes of what we all agree on to protect our country and the full faith and credit of the united states of america. >> okay. there are longer term fiscal issues we need to be dealing with and we should be dealing with those as well which is what brian and i have proposed. >> congressman, i want to ask you though on that. one of the things the president said he was willing to do last week was some tightening on work requirements for government aid, and that angered some progressives within your party. can you support that as a moderate democrat? >> well, i think there are work
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requirements already. i think draconian work requirements and some of the stuff proposed on medicaid of taking away health care of hard-pressed families is not something i believe could ever get enough democratic votes to be able to get this across the finish line, and that's what we're talking about here, right? what can we put together enough democrat and republican votes because it will take both in a conversations that we're all s having. >> so a little bit of give potentially on -- on work requirements, but on congressman fitzpatrick, the president repeatedly said this morning he doesn't just want cuts. he wants to look at tax revenues. what tax increases, congressman fitzpatrick, would republicans. >> what has been put on the
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table? >> well, we have to bifurcate between the discretionary and the non-discretionary so the revenue piece pertains much more to the non-discretionary, the mandatory spending. that's 75% of our budget, and that's where the financial solvency needs to be addressed by both revenue and expenses. now the matter before the speaker and the president now only deals with discretionary spending. to some extent non-defense discretionary spending. that's not where the revenues are being discussed and quite frankly where they are needed. they are needed on the mandatory side. medicaid will run outed of money in 2028 and social security in 2023. one of the things josh and our problem solvers have proposed, one of the things we hope is injected into the negotiations, i a bipartisan independent commission much like simpson-bowles that requires us and forces us to vote up or down on their findings within a year, because until we tackle the
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mandatory spending and get -- get a handle on our long-term sustainability of our debt and deficit, we're just playing around the margins. >> congressmen, we'll stay tuned to the work you can get done in the coming days. thank you both for your time. >> thanks for having us. >> thanks. we go now to new york city and its mayor eric adams, a democrat. mr. mayor, good morning to you. >> good morning to you as well. >> you said that the president and the white house have failed new york city, and that you don't have access to federal dollars to deal with the migrant crisis, but the administration reportedly has pledged $30 million to deal with those arrivals. why the discrepancy? >> i don't think that's a discrepancy. we've spent over $1 billion. we're projected to spend close to $4.3 billion, if not more. these estimates were based on a number of migrants coming to the
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city, and those numbers have clearly increased. we are -- we've received several days last week alone over 900 migrants on days. two weeks ago, approximately 4,200 in one week. when you look at the price tag, $30 million comes nowhere near what this city is paying for a national problem. >> so you are getting federal help. it's just not sufficient to the needs you have. >> well, we've been extre ent w. en aitt just cycled out of the financial crisis of covid owndditional ov1 in bget andlyver $4 billion in the out years, that is not the price tag that is attached to what isling this national problem.
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>> you have started to bus migrants upstate in new york which has kicked off legal disputes i understand with some of those counties. you just talked about decompression. have you asked the governor who is a fellow democrat to help you find housing for these migrants elsewhere in the state? >> yes. she has been a real partner as well as senator schumer, congressman jeffries, the new york delegation. they have been extremely helpful in trying to, number one, get the dollars coming out of washington, d.c. butls the governor here in coordinating our efforts. we believe the entire state should participate in a decompression strategy, and it's unfortunate that there have been some lawmakers in counties that are not carrying on their role of ensuring that this is a decompression strategy throughout the state and some have -- we have witnesses, some municipalities where they lied and state that had veterans were being forced out of hotels which was untrue.
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we found that out to be fabricated, and these types of tactics are just anti-american and anti-new york city. >> on the question of decompression, would it be more helpful if it was the federal government directing where migrants are moved to throughout the united states instead of you as new york city's mayor trying to figure out where you can send them within your state? >> yes, it would. we have 108,000 cities, villages, towns. if everyone takes a small portion of them and if it's coordinated atw0ensu that those who are coming here to this country in a lawful manner, actually moved throughout the entire country, it's not a burden on one city, and the numbers to be clear. we've received over 70,000 migrant asylum-seekers in our city,ur care. >> yeah. >> if this is properly handled at the border level, this issue
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can be resolved while we finally get congress, particularly the republican party, to deal with a comprehensive immigration policy. >> there has been a lot of national attention about that tragic event on the new york city subway. jordan neely who was homeless and struggled with mental health issues was forcibly restrained and then choked by a subway rider named daniel penny. he lost his life. why do you think that the system you have in place to deal with homelessness and to deal with mental health failed jordan neely? >> well, when you do an examination, just as i talked about public safety issues and how we're to get guns that were clearly sat rate our cities, so, too, in october and prior to that i talked about how we must look at involuntary removal of those who are -- who cannot take care of their basic needs and are a danger to themselves, you know it. breaks my heart how jordan lost
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his life who happens same name as my son, and our spokus should be on how he died and we need to look at how he lived and ensure that the other jordans out there receive the care that they deserve. i spent many days in the subway system talking to those who are in that condition, and if we don't get help from the state government to ensure that we can use involuntary removals of those are in danger to themselves and can't take of their basic needs, we may be facing a potential problem like this again, and that's what we need to do. we need to make sure that we go after those other jordan neelys that are there looking for care. >> mr. mayor, thank you for your time this morning. >> "face the nation" will be back in one minute. stay with us.
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(vo) red lobster's finer points of fun dining. teless shrim b a cool twenty gets you shrimp a. welcome to fun dining. >> we go now to miami and its republican mayor francis suarez. welcome back to the program. i want to ask you about what is happening with the migrant crisis in this country. is your city receiving enough support from both the state and
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the federal government? >> well, we vice president received any support as of yet from the federal government that we are aware of. we checked to see if we had gotten any help from fema. it turns we have not. it is a migrant crisis in our city as well. just in the last two months the coast guard has processed 408 migrants on our coast. we've just last year in our public school system we had over 14,000 new children, 10,000 of which came from, you know, four countries of kuna, nicaragua, venezuela and haiti, and that's the equivalent of five new 2,000-schools. that's a tremendous burden on our system. you know, i'm actually quite proud of mayor adams from new york for standing up and talking about how this is impacting the city of new york. i mean, he has to focus on crime reduction, and instead, you know, you see images of police
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officers helping people in the classic roosevelt hotel find housing. >> yeah. >> so these officers are -- should be, and you would want them to be focused on reducing crime and instead have to deal with this migrant crisis which, as you've said, should be a federal issue. >> i want to ask you about what's happening at the state level because florida did just pass, and your governor ron desantis signed into law, a did -- a new policy as of february that will make it a felony to knowingly and willingly transport an undocumented person, even if it's a family member. i note miami-dade planning on pulling over drivers. what are you going to iknow, we involved in federal issues like that, you know. >> this is a state law. >> yeah. we pull over people for state -- for traffic infractions and things of that nature. we don't usually get involved in the federa immigration system.
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>> gotcha. >> we never have as a city, and i don't believe we plan to in the future so that -- that doesn't really apply to the city of miami. it never has, and, you know, i think they are going to use from what i understand the florida highway patrol which is the -- the state-controlled police department to enforce that law. >> it's also going to require businesses to verify that employees can legally work in the u.s. it's going to require hospitals to include citizenship questions on intake forms. is there going to be an impact on your city? there's concerns about labor shortages, for example. >> well, you know, first of all, i think it is already legal to the united states of america so i'm not sure if that changes much the current law or the current state of the law. in terms of how it impacts the city of miami, you know, we have a 1.8% unemployment rate which is fantastic. when you want to open up a new business, definitely we need workers, and i think, you know, this entire debate and
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discussion screams for a national solution, and i think that's what we should be focused on as a country. >> yeah. >> solving this problem in a way that, you know, a, right sizes legal immigration so that we can have americans that w theater b saying a lot of things don't actually practically apply. >> i think some of them are heedline grabbers without a doubt. >> is that what your governor is doing intentionally? >> i think -- i think you could argue that for sure. i think -- i think some of them are substanttive. he's sending 1,000 law enforcement officers to the border at the request of the governor of texas. i think that that's something that could have a positive impact in interdicting and helping, you know, with people who are orist watch yknow who ad
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we becausee are on the eve of hurricane season, so, you know, you have to make sure that th resources that are being used are resources, you know, that we can deploy here in the state of florida if we need them as well. >> okay. i want to continue our conversation on the other side of a commercial break here because i know you are considering, and have you said, you might run for president. so i have a lot more questions for you. so we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." stay with us. my a1c was up here; now, it's down with rybelsus®. his a1c? it's down with rybelsus®. my doctor told me rybelsus® lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill and that people taking rybelsus® lost more weight. i got to my a1c goal and lost some weight too. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2,
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♪ welcome back to "face the nation." we continue our conversation with miami's mayor, francis suarez. so, sir, when will you announce you're running for president? >> well, it -- it's got to be soon because the first debate is august 20th. i'm someone who needs to be better known by this country, and so i think the republican party has said that there's going to be a debate a month from august all the way through january 1th which is the iowa caucus so you have to take every opportunity to share your story, to share your vision and trying r them, so i think it would have to be soon in order to make
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the debate stage.