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documents known as the 28 pages. they have to do with 9/11 and the possible existence of a saudi support network for the hijackers while they were in the u.s. for 13 years, the 28 pages have been locked away in a secret vault. only a small group of people have ever seen them. tonight, you will hear from some of the people who have read them and believe, along with the families of 9/11 victims, that they should be declassified. >> senator bob graham: i think it is implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didn't speak english, most of whom had never been in the united states before, many of whom didn't have a high school education could've carried out such a complicated task without some support from within the united states. >> kroft: and you believe that the 28 pages are crucial to this? understand... >> senator graham: i think they are a key part. >> kroft: former u.s. senator bob graham has been trying to get the 28 pages released since the day they were classified back in 2003, when he played a major role in the first

government investigation into 9/11. >> senator graham: i remain deeply disturbed by the amount of material that has been censored from this report. >> kroft: at the time, graham was chairman of the senate select committee on intelligence. >> i call the joint inquiry to order. >> kroft: and co-chair of the bi-partisan joint congressional inquiry into intelligence failures surrounding the attacks. the joint inquiry reviewed 500,000 documents, interviewed hundreds of witnesses and produced an 838 page report, minus the final chapter which was blanked out, excised by the bush administration for reasons of national security. so this is your office. bob graham won't discuss the classified information in the 28 pages. he will say only that they outline a network of people that he believes supported the hijackers while they were in the u.s. you believe that support came from saudi arabia? >> senator graham: substantially. >> kroft: and when we say, "the saudis," you mean the government, the-- >> senator graham: i mean- >> kroft: --rich people in the

country? charities- >> senator graham: all of the above. >> kroft: graham and others believe the saudi role has been soft-pedaled to protect a delicate relationship with a complicated kingdom where the rulers, royalty, riches and religion are all deeply intertwined in its institutions. >> porter goss: i call this hearing to order. >> kroft: porter goss, who was graham's republican co-chairman on the house side of the joint inquiry, and later director of the c.i.a., also felt strongly that an uncensored version of the 28 pages should be included in the final report. the two men made their case to the f.b.i. and its then-director robert mueller in a face-to-face meeting. >> goss: and they pushed back very hard on the 28 pages and they said, "no, that cannot be unclassified at this time." >> kroft: did you happen to ask the f.b.i. director why it was classified? >> goss: we did in a general way, and the answer was--

because, "we said so and it needs to ( laughs ) be classified." >> kroft: goss says he knew of no reason then and knows of no reason now why the pages need to be classified. they are locked away under the capital in guarded vaults called "sensitive comartmented information facilities"--or "skiffs" in government jargon. this is as close as we could get with our cameras: a highly restricted area where members of congress with the proper clearances can read the documents under close supervision. no note-taking allowed. >> tim roemer: it's all got to go up here, steve. >> kroft: tim roemer, a former democratic congressman and u.s. ambassador to india, has read the 28 pages multiple times. first as a member of the joint inquiry, and later as a member of the blue ribbon 9/11 commission which picked up where congress' investigation left off. how hard is it to actually read these 28 pages? >> roemer: very hard. these are tough documents to get your eyes on. >> kroft: roemer and others who

have actually read the 28 pages, describe them as a working draft similar to a grand jury or police report that includes provocative evidence. some verified, and some not, they lay out the possibility of official saudi assistance for two of the hijackers who settled in southern california. that information from the 28- pages was turned over to the 9/11 commission for further investigation. some of the questions raised were answered in the commission's final report. others were not. is there information in the 28 pages that, if they were declassified, would surprise people? >> roemer: sure, you're gonna be surprised by it. and you're gonna be surprised by some of the answers that are sitting there today in the 9/11 commission report about what happened in san diego, and what happened in los angeles and what was the saudi involvement. >> kroft: much of that surprising information is buried in footnotes and appendices of the 9/11 report. part of the official public

record, but most of it unknown to the general public. these are some, but not all of the facts: in january of 2000, the first of the hijackers landed in los angeles after attending an al qaeda summit in kuala lumpur, malaysia. the two saudi nationals, nawaf al hazmi and khalid al mihdhar, arrived with extremely limited language skills and no experience with western culture. yet, through an incredible series of circumstances, they managed to get everything they needed, from housing to flight lessons. >> roemer: l.a., san diego, that's really you know, the hornet's nest. that's really the one that i continue to think about almost on a daily basis. >> kroft: during their first days in l.a., witnesses place the two future hijackers at the king fahd mosque in the company of fahad al-thumairy, a diplomat at the saudi consulate known to hold extremist views.

later, 9/11 investigators would find him deceptive and suspicious and in 2003, he would be denied re-entry to the united states for having suspected ties to terrorist activity. >> roemer: this is a very interesting person in the whole 9/11 episode of who might've helped whom in los angeles and san diego, with two terrorists who didn't know their way around. >> kroft: phone records show that thumairy was also in regular contact with this man: omar al-bayoumi, a mysterious saudi who became the hijackers biggest benefactor. he was a ghost employee with a no-show job at a saudi aviation contractor outside los angeles while drawing a paycheck from the saudi government. you believe bayoumi was a saudi agent? >> senator graham: yes, and-- >> kroft: what makes you believe that? >> senator graham: well, for one thing, he had been listed even before 9/11 in f.b.i. files as being a saudi agent. >> kroft: on the morning of february 1st, 2000, bayoumi went to the office of the saudi consulate where thumairy worked.

he then proceeded to have lunch at a middle eastern restaurant on venice boulevard, where he later claimed he just happened to make the acquaintance of the two future hijackers. >> roemer: hazmi and mihdhar magically run into bayoumi in a restaurant that bayoumi claims is a coincidence and in one of the biggest cities in the united states. >> kroft: and he decides to befriend them. >> roemer: he decides to not only befriend them but then to help them move to san diego and get residence. >> kroft: in san diego, bayoumi found them a place to live in his own apartment complex, advanced them the security deposit and co-signed the lease. he even threw them a party and introduced them to other muslims who would help the hijackers obtain government i.d.'s and enroll in english classes and flight schools. there's no evidence that bayoumi or thumairy knew what the future hijackers were up to, and it is possible that they were just trying to help fellow muslims. but the very day bayoumi

welcomed the hijackers to san diego, there were four calls between his cell phone and the imam at a san diego mosque, anwar al aulaqi, a name that should sound familiar. >> anwar al-aulaqi: america cannot and will not win! >> kroft: the american-born aulaqi would be infamous a decade later, as al qaeda's chief propagandist and top operative in yemen until he was taken out by a c.i.a. drone. but in january 2001, a year after becoming the hijackers' spiritual advisor, he left san diego for falls church, virginia. months later, hazmi, mihdhar and three more hijackers would join him there. >> roemer: those are a lot of coincidences, and that's a lot of smoke. is that enough to make you squirm and uncomfortable, and dig harder and declassify these 28 pages? absolutely. >> kroft: perhaps no one is more interested in reading the 28 pages than attorneys jim kreindler and sean carter, who represent family members of the

9/11 victims in their lawsuit against the kingdom. alleging that its' institutions provided money to al qaeda, knowing that it was waging war against the united states. >> jim kreindler: what we're doing in court is-is developing the story that has to come out. but it's been difficult for us because for many years, we weren't getting the kind of openness and cooperation. that we think our government owes to the american people particularly the-- the families of people who were murdered. >> kroft: the u.s. government has even backed the saudi position in court, that it can't be sued because it enjoys sovereign immunity. the 9/11 commission report says that saudi arabia has long been considered the primary source of al-qaeda funding through its wealthy citizens and charities with significant government sponsorship. but the sentence that got the most attention when the report came out is this:

attorney sean carter says it's the most carefully crafted line in the 911 commission report, and the most misunderstood. >> sean carter: when they say they found no evidence that senior saudi officials individually funded al qaeda, they conspicuously leave open the potential that they found evidence that people who were officials that they did not regard as senior officials had done so. that is the essence of the families' lawsuit. that elements of the government and lower level officials sympathetic to bin laden's cause helped al qaeda carry out the attacks and help sustain the al qaeda network. >> kroft: yet, for more than a decade, the kingdom has maintained that that one sentence exonerated it of any responsibility for 911 regardless of what might be in the 28 pages. >> bob kerrey: it's not an exoneration. what we said-- we did not, with this report, exonerate the saudis. >> kroft: former u.s. senator bob kerrey is another of the

ten-member 9/11 commission who has read the 28 pages and believes they should be declassified. he filed an affidavit in support of the 9/11 families' lawsuit. >> kerrey: you can't provide the money for terrorists and then say, "i don't have anything to do with what they're doing. >> kroft: do you believe that all of the leads that were developed in the 28 pages were answered in the 911 report? all the questions? kerrey: no, no. in general, the 911 commission did not get every single detail of the conspiracy. we didn't. we didn't have the time, we didn't have the resources. we certainly didn't pursue the entire line of inquiry in regard to saudi arabia. >> kroft: do you think all of these things in san diego can be explained as coincidence? >> john lehman: ( laughs ) i don't believe in coincidences. >> kroft: john lehman, who was secretary of the navy in the reagan administration, says that he and the others make up a solid majority of former 9/11 commissioners who think the 28 pages should be made public. >> lehman: we're not a bunch of rubes that rode into washington for this commission.

i mean, we, you know, we've seen fire and we've seen rain and the politics of national security. we all have dealt for our careers in highly classified and compartmentalized in every aspect of security. we know when something shouldn't be declassified. and the, this, those 28 pages in no way fall into that category. >> kroft: lehman has no doubt that some high saudi officials knew that assistance was being provided to al qaeda, but he doesn't think it was ever official policy. he also doesn't think that it absolves the saudis of responsibility. >> lehman: it was no accident that 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudis. they all went to saudi schools. they learned from the time they were first able to go to school of this intolerant brand of islam. >> kroft: lehman is talking about wahhabism, the ultra-

conservative, puritanical form of islam that is rooted here and permeates every facet of society. there is no separation of church and state. after oil, wahhabism is one of the kingdom's biggest exports. saudi clerics, entrusted with islam's holiest shrines, have immense power and billions of dollars to spread the faith. building mosques and religious schools all over the world that have become recruiting grounds for violent extremists. 9/11 commissioner john lehman says all of this comes across in the 28 pages. >> lehman: this is not going to be a smoking gun that is going to cause a huge furor. but it does give a very compact illustration of the kinds of things that went on that-- that would really help the american people to understand why, what, how, how is it that these people are springing up all over the world to go to jihad? >> roemer: look, the saudis have even said they're for

declassifying it. we should declassify it. is it sensitive, steve? might it involve opening a bit a can of worms, or some snakes crawling out of there? yes. but i think we need a relationship with the saudis. where both countries are working together to fight against terrorism. and that's not always been the case. >> cbs money watch update sponsored by: >> glor: good evening. for the first time in 97 years, the price of a postage stamp dropped today from 49 cents to 47. boeing confirms it's been cleared for direct talks with iranian airliners. and a developer dubai announced plans to build the world's largest tower. i'm jeff glor, cbs news.

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tonight, a journey to a new hollywood, rising in the east. in the remote hills of eastern china, this is a magic kingdom that not even walt disney could have dreamed up. it's called hengdian world studios, and at over 7,000 acres, it's the largest film lot on the planet. a palace for every dynasty, a village for every era, where some of the biggest movies in china have been filmed over the last two decades. these sets aren't flimsy facades, but full-scale brick and mortar replicas of china's imperial past. and when the films wrap, a brief silence. before the sets are flooded by 15 million tourists who visit every year.

it's all the domain of xu wenrong, a one-time farmer who realized his fields were fertile ground for a new industry. permission is hardly ever granted to film in the real forbidden city, china's iconic landmark, so he built his own. it took several hundred years to build the real forbidden city, and it took you five years to build this one. and you made the whole thing from cement? xu got the idea for this place 20 years ago after a visit to hollywood. movies weren't big business in china back then, but he spent $1 billion gambling on their growth. do you feel a bit like an emperor when you come here? no, you're just an ordinary guy. an ordinary guy whose empire hosts 30 different productions

every day, as the film crews compete for space with tourists who crowd the sets straining to get a glimpse of the stars. when the cameras start rolling, movie magic. the movie business is booming across china. shopping malls have popped up everywhere, and with them, theaters. 22 new movie screens open every day. that's right, every day. in the last five years, box office receipts have grown a staggering 350%. it's created a kind of a mass hysteria, and something china's never seen before: star culture. li bing bing has been described as china's angelina jolie. it feels as if the movie industry here in china is getting more and more like hollywood. >> li bing bing: the-- the speed of the development, you can't imagine, even for us. >> williams: it's changing so

quickly. >> bing: so quickly. you-- >> williams: and-- >> bing: --even you don't even react, it's already changed. >> williams: and transformed into a multi-billion dollar industry. chinese studios produce over 600 features a year: action movies, science fiction, thrillers. behind them is a group of pioneering movie moguls, like dennis wang. he once worked as a chinese food deliveryman in new york, and is now chairman of the huayi bros, one of the largest studios in the country. the movie business has made him a billionaire, a capitalist with chinese characteristics. last year he spent $30 million on a picasso, which he keeps in his pocket and in one of his other homes. so that's the picasso. and you bought it from the goldwyn family, who owned the mgm studios in hollywood?

so it's not so much as a passing of the torch as a passing of the picasso. the biggest prize isn't picassos, but hollywood itself. this year, a chinese company purchased a hollywood studio for $3.5 billion. others have been investing in multi-movie production deals with american companies to make films for the global market. you're going to use hollywood directors, hollywood stars-- >> dennis wang: yes. >> williams: --to make english- language films to compete with hollywood? >> dennis wang: yes. >> williams: and make global blockbusters? >> dennis wang ( translated ): yes. ( laughs ). i think we'll be doing it in the next one or two years. maybe in five years, we'll be doing it really well. >> williams: in five years, you'll be competing with hollywood. >> dennis wang: i think we can do it. >> williams: even though china's economy has slumped in the last year, dennis' brother james, the huayi bros c.e.o., says the movie business is recession- proof. >> james wang( translated ):

when the economy is weak, the movie business does really well. when times are bad, people go to the movies and feel happy and it doesn't cost them much money. >> williams: so the bad times, actually could be good for the film industry? >> james wang: in the last 20 years, the biggest box office earners have come out when the economy is bad. it's interesting. >> williams: the sheer size of the chinese market has hollywood salivating, and desperate to get in on the action. dede nickerson is an american film producer who's spent the last 20 years making movies in china. >> dede nickerson: today, if you sit in a green light meeting in a hollywood studio at any of the studios, at any of the major six studios, there-- china is part of every green light discussion. >> williams: they're wondering, "will chinese audiences--" >> nickerson: well, they have to. >> williams: --"like this film?" >> nickerson: they-- they have to because oftentimes the

chinese box office is larger than the u.s. box office. especially for the big blockbuster films. >> whoever they are, there remains a price on my head. >> williams: blockbusters like "transformers 4," which made $300 million in china, was partly filmed there and co-stars li bing bing.. but the chinese government has a quota system, which only allows 34 foreign films into the country every year. to get around the rule, hollywood has been co-producing movies in china with local studios. >> williams: "kung fu panda 3" was animated in california and shanghai at the same time, and >> i lost my father. i am so sorry. co-produced by dreamworks and its spin-off, oriental dreamworks. c.e.o. james fong showed us how they were tailoring the movie for both audiences. >> james fong: what we've done is actually we are re-animating everything around the mouth and the throat.

so when you look at a chinese version of the movie, you no longer have a misalignment between the voices and the lip movement. >> williams: so in the chinese version, they look as if they are speaking in chinese. >> fong: that's correct. >> williams: whereas in the u.s. version they look as if they're speaking english. has this ever been done before? >> fong: this has never been done before. >> williams: for years, the only movies anyone could watch in china were communist propaganda. revolutionary heroes, patriotic peasants and guerilla soldiers. those who strayed too far from the party line were thrown in jail, or worse. as a teenager, filmmaker chen kaige was pressured to denounce his own father, also a director, as an enemy of the state. >> chen kaige: i felt very, very guilty. >> williams: but you were forced

to do that by the political situation in china. you were only 14 years old. >> kaige: no, i still feel guilty. because i had a choice. i had a choice. >> williams: in the 90s, after things had loosened up, chen chose to make films that were critical of the regime, like "farewell my concubine," which earned two oscar nominations and tells the story of opera singers who are persecuted by communist henchmen. that movie helped put chinese film on the map. but today, chen, one of china's most venerated filmmakers, finds it hard to keep up. >> williams: it's become big business? >> kaige: exactly. >> williams: chinese people want-- >> kaige: chinese people-- >> williams: --to see popcorn movies? want to see blockbusters-- >> kaige: that's totally understandable. you know, they don't give a ( bleep ). they just say, "hey, we're here to watch a movie." >> williams: they're a generation that's grown up on china's booming consumer

culture, and on the surface their lifestyles look more and more like young peoples' in the west. prosperity has transformed china. it's no longer a closed communist country. but amidst all this modernity, the chinese government still censors films and decides which ones can be shown in theatres. we asked to speak with the government officials who oversee the film industry here, but they declined to be interviewed. some things haven't changed. it's not easy filming anything in china. those were just private security guards. but when it comes making movies, the government's involved in almost every step of the process. from deciding which movies get made, to screening the final cut. censors held up this world war two epic, "city of life and death," for the better part of a year because the film depicted soldiers from japan, china's

wartime enemy, in a flattering light. lu chuan was its director. >> lu chuan: because some-- some newspaper does put me as a traitor of-- >> williams: a traitor? ( laughs ) >> chuan: yes, yes, yes. >> williams: because you dared to show a japanese soldier as a human being? >> chuan: yes. yeah. >> williams: he wasn't certain his latest film, a monster movie "chronicles of the ghostly tribe," would fare any better even though it has nothing to do with politics. it's very realistic looking. it's very frightening. >> chuan: that's my-- that's my goal. >> williams: three years ago, the government didn't allow monster movies. today it does. navigating the whims of the censors can be treacherous and confusing. >> chuan: they will determine the fate of your movie, you know? >> williams: and can you argue with them? >> chuan: you can talk. you can argue, yes. you-- >> williams: does it work? >> chuan: sometimes. but you have to compromise.

>> williams: hollywood's been compromising to please the censors too, cutting whole sections out of films before they're released in china. like scenes depicting chinese bad guys in "men in black 3." >> you arrest me, that's a hate crime. >> it would be if you were chinese. >> williams: but dede nickerson, the china-based american producer, thinks u.s. studios are learning how to avoid that kind of meddling by the government. >> nickerson: you'll see less and less of that because china is so important to hollywood that i would say that those decisions are going to get made when a film is being green lit to be careful about what may be offensive to chinese people or to the chinese authorities. because-- >> williams: so they won't need to cut-- cut scenes. >> nickerson: they won't need to cut because-- >> williams: they just won't make them in-- >> nickerson: because-- >> williams: --the first place. >> nickerson: --they won't make them in the first place. >> williams: self-censorship is the cost of doing business in china, and a price u.s. studios are willing to pay. but hollywood's biggest challenge isn't chinese government interference.

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made. but when harvard's swimmers hit the pool deck this past fall, schuyler had switched teams. schuyler now swims with the men. the story of how harvard came to be the first men's division one athletic team in the nation to include an openly transgender young man is also the story of a bigger transformation. in attitudes, acceptance, and the larger conversation about what it means to be transgender. how different are you? if i had met you a couple of years ago and then saw you today? >> schuyler bailar: physically you'd say-- yeah, you might not recognize me. ( laughs ) >> stahl: you look that different? >> schuyler bailar: i'd say so. yeah. >> stahl: we'd say so too. this is what schuyler bailar looked like in high school. from the outside, schuyler back then appeared to be a young outstanding grades in school plus all-american times in the

pool. an attractive combination to swim coaches from top-notch colleges. >> stephanie morawski: she was a very strong breaststroker, and those times were fast. >> stahl: harvard women's coach stephanie morawski traveled to d.c. to recruit schuyler. first impressions? >> morawski: she was engaging, energetic and she was somebody that i really thought would do well at harvard. >> stahl: harvard was schuyler's first choice. but this fairytale had a little wrinkle, one that may have started before schuyler even learned to swim. when you were a little girl, were you a typical little girl? two, three four--? >> schuyler bailar: definitely no. >> stahl: even three, four, five? >> schuyler bailar: my parents dressed me in pink dresses and bow ties, and i had a doll. but i don't think i was typical even then because i would-- i would like to rip them off and i didn't want to wear the dresses. >> gregor bailar: "i'm not wearing a dress." ( laughs ) >> stahl: gregor and terry bailar are schuyler's parents. did people think schuyler was a boy? >> terry hong: all the time. ( laughs ) >> stahl: terry and gregor just

assumed schuyler was a tomboy who preferred short hair and hanging out with the guys. that their daughter might be transgender never occurred to them, though there were clues. in middle school, schuyler's class had to make self-portraits in the present and the future. she came home with this. it made no sense at the time why the future meant becoming an old man with a moustache. and the confusion only worsened when puberty hit, and things like breasts began to appear. >> schuyler bailar: i was like, "that's not something i want. and i don't really know why, but i just know i don't want that." >> stahl: even though it felt wrong, schuyler saw no choice but to try and make it work as a girl: with long hair and dresses. but it backfired. she developed major eating disorders. >> stahl: bulimia? anorexia? >> terry hong: both. >> stahl: both? >> gregor bailar: it was serious. >> terry hong: we feared for his life. >> gregor bailar: yeah. >> stahl: they postponed

schuyler's going to harvard and got her help at an eating disorders program. when she went to hear some transgender men speak at a local church, wham. everything started to make sense. >> schuyler bailar: i was like, "holy crap, this is me. like, this has-- this is 100%, everything that they're saying, that's me." and i just melted down. i just started crying and sobbing. and my dad was picking me up because he was coming to visit me. >> stahl: that very day? >> schuyler bailar: yeah, and i walked out to him and i said-- and i was sobbing, i was like-- and he just hugged me. >> gregor bailar: he came out, you know, in tears-- ( crying ) >> schuyler bailar: and eventually he said, "d-- like, what's-- what's wrong, schuyler?" and i said, "dad, i think i'm transgender." >> stahl: so how did you handle it? >> gregor bailar: i hugged him. and he cried and cried. >> schuyler bailar: it just made me realize, like, i wanted that so badly but i knew how hard it was going to be. and i-- i was like, "what about swimming? what about my body? what about surgery?

what about the money? what about people? what are we going to say? what about my grandparents? what about my brother?" like, ( laughs ) everything at once. ( laughs ) i was like, "but i want this, and i know i want this." >> stahl: schuyler's mental health improved quickly. but there was still the matter of telling coach morawski that her new women's swimmer would now be coming to college, as a man. so what was your reaction? >> morawski: i was surprised. but the-- really, the big question schuyler had was, "can i still swim on your team?" >> stahl: what did you think? did you think someone who identified as a man could swim on the women's team? >> morawski: i thought logistically we might have some issues that we would have to work out. >> stahl: like n.c.a.a. rules. turns out the n-c-double-a has a policy that allows for athletes who identify as male but were born female to compete on a women's team, as long as they don't take male hormones. so stephanie morawski said yes, and schuyler started making plans to live something of a

double life: to be a man on harvard's campus the next fall, but a woman on harvard's swim team. meanwhile, schuyler came out as transgender on facebook, and posted on instagram that he had so-called "top surgery": a double mastectomy to remove the breasts he hadn't wanted. the whole situation started to worry coach morawski. >> terry hong: i think stephanie was the first to realize that schuyler's plan of being a woman in the water but a man outside was gonna be-- >> gregor bailar: difficult at best. >> terry hong: --totally detrimental ( laughter ) to her psyche. >> morawski: when you enroll in college, it's an opportunity to start over again. >> stahl: you can reinvent yourself. >> morawski: you can reinvent yourself. and i was struggling watching schuyler, because he wanted to reinvent himself as schuyler as a male, but was being held back by the athletic piece of it. >> stahl: she discussed her concerns with her friend and colleague, harvard men's swim

coach kevin tyrrell. >> morawski: kevin was-- just kind of looked at me and said, "i don't-- i agree with you, i don't think that you can have a dual identity. why doesn't he just swim for my team?" >> stahl: just like that. >> morawski: just like that. >> kevin tyrrell: i mean, it made sense, right? if you're happy being a male-- and that's what you want to identify as, then it makes sense to be on the men's swimming team. >> stahl: that would be allowed under n.c.a..a rules and he would be permitted to take testosterone. but before giving schuyler the option of joining the team, tyrrell called a meeting of his swimmers to discuss what he thought would be a very sensitive issue. what were the reactions? >> tyrrell: they didn't see it as a big deal. i had worked up all of these questions in my mind to ask them, and i asked them, and they were like-- "that sounds fine." ( laughs ) >> stahl: when they didn't even express concern about the locker room, tyrrell wasn't sure he believed them. >> tyrrell: so i concluded, "well guys, you know, let's-- come into my office, you know,

if you want to talk to me one on one, please do." >> stahl: you thought some might be holding back? >> tyrrell: right. just because of group think and- - and then so, no one came into the office. >> stahl: and it surprised you? >> tyrrell: it did surprise me. you know, i swam in college over 20 years ago, and i think it would have been a different process for me. >> stahl: but choosing between the women's and men's teams was agonizing for schuyler, who was used to winning as a woman. on the men's team, he would be at the back of the pack. >> morawski: schuyler had to do a lot of thinking about what mattered most. was it breaking records, or was it really being happy? >> stahl: you put that to him. >> morawski: i did. >> stahl: that was last spring. >> for harvard in lane two, schuyler bailar. >> stahl: this fall, at harvard's meet against ivy league rival columbia, we watched as schuyler got ready -- scars visible across his chest - - to step up onto the starting block to swim with the men, as a

man. >> schuyler bailar: my goal to myself, because it's not realistic for me to win anything right now, at all, ( laughs ) is to try to beat at least one person in every race. ( laughs ) >> stahl: and have you met that goal so far? >> schuyler bailar: almost. yesterday, i did get last in my second event. but-- but that's the only one. and i've done eight races. so, seven out of eight of them ( laughs ) i've gotten not last. >> stahl: that's-- i-- i'm really surprised. >> schuyler bailar: i'm really happy about it. >> stahl: and he's happy about living as a man in all facets of his life. he takes the n.c.a.a.-approved dosage of testosterone which has been lowering his voice, broadening his shoulders, and bringing him closer to that future he had envisioned back in middle school. you have a little mustache? >> schuyler bailar: yes, i have a little mustache, little peach fuzz. ( laughter ) >> stahl: are you shaving? >> schuyler bailar: yes. and i shaved because i wanted to look nice for the interview. ( laughs ) >> stahl: schuyler has been remarkably open about all this, chroniclng the whole process of his transition on social media,

complete with before and after images. and he's invited people to ask when they have questions. >> stahl: you are almost passionate about answering questions. >> schuyler bailar: yes. >> stahl: you don't run away from this. >> schuyler bailar: people are ignorant. period. because it's not taught in school. like if you don't know a lot of trans people, how are you supposed to know the answers to the questions about people who are transgender? >> stahl: what kind of questions do you get? >> schuyler bailar: "do you still have a vagina?" ( laughs ) like, people like to ask that one. and a lot of people get really uncomfortable, like a lot of trans people hate that question. >> stahl: you don't hate that question? >> schuyler bailar: i don't like it, but i try to see it from their perspective. and i'm like, okay, if they-- if, like-- if i were in their po-- like, their position, i would probably be wondering the same thing. >> stahl: well, what's the answer to the question? >> schuyler bailar: yes. i mean, that's the answer to the question. >> stahl: that's the answer-- >> schuyler bailar: it's, like-- >> stahl: --to the question. >> schuyler bailar: it's a simple question. >> stahl: he says being transgender has nothing to do with whether or not someone gets "bottom surgery," and it also has nothing to do with sexual orientation. schuyler has always been

attracted to girls; in high school, as a young woman, schuyler had come out as gay; now, as a man, he's straight. but there is one small matter we discovered, where he's leaving his options open. you will never get pregnant. >> schuyler bailar: i don't know about that. that's a long story. ( laughter ) >> stahl: really? >> schuyler bailar: i-- i-- there are, there are trans men that get pregnant because they want to have biological children. >> stahl: so this is in your head, that one day you might give birth? >> schuyler bailar: might is-- is in bold-- and underlined and italicked. but yes.. yeah. i don't know. i'm 19. >> stahl: 19 and healthy. back at that harvard-columbia meet we went to-- >> pull, schuyler, pull! >> stahl: --schuyler achieved his goal of beating one swimmer and he beat his own previous best time by more than a second. but we did notice schuyler during the women's competition, cheering on his would-have-been teammates in his old event. and we were pretty sure he

noticed that his old times would have won first place. have you ever in the whole time second-guessed what you did? >> schuyler bailar: i think i would be lying if i said no. >> stahl: so you have. >> schuyler bailar: i know i made the right decision. but i think sometimes i, like-- i'm like, "oh, i really wish i could-- i could compete as a girl. because i want to win that race." it's fun to win, and it's something that i worked really hard for. and, you know, i-- i work the same amount. but-- but now i'm-- i'm working the same amount for 16th place, you know? >> stahl: and that's okay? >> schuyler bailar: and that's okay. it's the way it is. and it's also a lot of fun. it has other kinds of glory in it. >> stahl: different kind of glory. >> schuyler bailar: definitely a different kind. it's a glory that, like, fills me inside. >> stahl: compared to one year ago, how are you feeling? >> schuyler bailar: proud. in one word, proud. >> this cbs sports update is brought to you by ford. at the 80th playing of the

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