this sunday, criminal charges? the january 6th committee is considering voting on at least three criminal charges against donald trump. >> donald trump's role was far more central than inciting. >> each of these efforts to overturn the elections is independently serious. each deserves attention both by cocongress and bringng o our department of justice. and border surge.

migrants are gathering at the border, with the covid era policy known as title 42 is set to expired. >> to secure our border is our responsibility. >> now bracing for more illegal crossings. >> they have ignored the problems and played politics with the problem. >> sherrod brown, and asa hutchenson my guests. and karen bass declares a state of emergency on homelessness in her first day of office. >> it's a humanitarian crisis. >> i'll talk to the mayor about this big problem in america's second largest city. finally, the lives we lost, remembering the legends we lost in 2022. joining me for insight and analysis are carol lee, politico

playbook co-author eugene daniels. stephen hayes, editor of "the dispatch." and former congresswoman donna edwards. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> announcer: the longest running show in television history, "meet the press" with chuck todd. a good sunday morning. as we wrap up the year and prepare to enter a any one, entrenched political warfare, both parties are still struggling with the same problems of the last few years, this congress and the next one are two of the most closely divided in the past century. represents will have a ten-seat majority in the house. the senate has moved from a 50-50 senate control to a 51-49 split. not exactly a mandate for the democrats. after a disappointing miss term cycle, republican leaders are under fire right now. the head of the national

committee is mired in a bitter fight over who will lead the party. kevin mccarthy is scrambling to get the votes he needs to be speaker of the house, saying hardline members on the right are not moving. a major announcement was ahn infomercial of trading cards. even too much for former adviser steve bannon to defend. democrats meanwhile, may have a false sense of security, acting like they won the midterm. they did lose the house and did lose the popular vote. president biden's approval rate sergeant stuck from a year ago, in the mid 40s, the succeeded in the mid terms programs came oaf from the excesses of the trump right. this is the backdrop of the current immigration debate, the current policy that allowed to competent migrants from the

borders quickly. it's been mired in government inaction. in fact some democrat have the criticized. >> the government has not been up to the task. >> more importantly, who is listening to our border communities. >> i'm written letters tots president to not lift title 42. >> there's no question in my mind we are not prepared for a post-title 42 world, and we need to reconcile the fact that the federal government is not commit ed to comprehensive reform. >> senator brown, welcome back to "meet the press." >> good to be back, thank you. >> let me start with title 42. i would like to respond what

govern newsom said, he think it's clear, regardless of what you think of the policy as it stands, whether it should have been used or not, do you agree with him that essentially government is not ready for a post-title 22 border yet. >> i'm quoting cha chuck to do syed, i think you said mired in government inaction. that is the issue here. maybe, maybe, maybe, with this new rep house and democratic senate, we finally get serious about the immigration reform, instead of pointing fingers, saying disaster is about to happen. i think the administration will figure it out short term. instead of bashing on immigrants or appealinging to new citizens,

whatever, we've got to get serious about it. >> i talked with other that said senator sinema and tillis were close, to finally create a -- for doctor recipients, it would have given authority that was similar to title 42. it seemed like the perfect compromise. what killed it? >> i think it was -- i could speak for either senator, but probably looking across the capitol and seeing the chaos in the house right now, even if we were able to do something in the senate. but i appreciated their focus on dreamer kids, who are essentially americans but for the paperwork. i think we should focus on them first, and of course our national security. but those kids have been

waiting. it's terrible we have not moved as a body. >> you brought up, you think rightfully, how it's been demagogued. i think about the state you represent. you know there's a lot of folks in the middle not very empathetic to what's happening in the border. how do you get them to accept a compromise? >> i think they will. i think my voters in ohio are reasonable. we're a slightly leaning rep estate. i don't hear much about immigration from voters, except for people on the far right that always want to gain political advantage by talking about it. when serious-minded people talk about it, they're looking for something like they were suggesting, and they're also emphasizing the dreamer kids, the daca kids, who are, as i

said, essentially americans but without the paperwork. so the question about what to do about crypto, and ichgt to play what the u.s. attorney from the southern district of new york said earlier this week. >> i think it's fair to say by anyone's -- this is one of the biggest financial frauds in american history. >> a big part of this financial fraud is how much frankly sam bankman-fried, his executives took advantage of the hunger for political contribution and used it to create the illusion of credibility for what many people think is a ponzi scheme. my goodness, that's a huge vulnerable in our system, is it not? >> of course it is. too much money in politics, too

much unreported cash in politics, ftx is only one huge part. when i took over almost two years ago as chair, it was called the banking committee, because it was essentially the committee for wall street. we have taken an aggressive start, about what we've done in small towns and big cities, and we had our sixth committee hearing to educate the public about the danger. not just the ponzi schemes or the lack of regulation, but also national security. financing of terrorism and all the things that can come out of the crypto. i have already gone to the secretary of treasury, as sort

offed lead economics person in the administration, asked her to do a government-wide assessment. s.e.c. is particularly aggressive, and we need to move forward that way and legislatively if it comes to that. i've spent much of the last year and a half in this job, educating my colleagues, trying to educate the public about crypto, and the dangers it presents to our security as a nation, and the consumers getting hoodwinked by them. >> are you at all concerned that it's actually given a green light to maybe some folks think all to be banned. senator tester isn't sure it should be legal. >> i share that thought. i think what we need to do now is getting the different agencies -- the ones that have

stepped up is the s.e.c. and commodities commission. we want them to do what they need to do. although banning it is definitely difficult. this is a complicated, unregulated pot of money in so many ways. sam bankman-fried was worth at $130 -- but that's how the focus started, but we've discussing every other nook and cranny in our economy where these people -- >> do you think the democratic party should support senator sinema's reelection.

>> i assume a democrat will run for that seat, and then it plays out. i'm less focused on arizona politics than my own, and i know what we need to do to win in ohio. workers are the agenda. if our party would focus on that more, we would win more seats. >> that final question is, why do you think you're going to be able to find 50% plus one in the state of ohio. it's a state that seems to drift to the right here, even when you were on the ballot on 2018. >> i won by seven points. i win because i focus on workers. i look at the last 18 months as huge accomplishments. what we did with senator portman, the stronger buy

america provisions ever in federal law. what we did at pact act to help the veterans with diagnosed illnesses, they'll get coverage. this was a year and a half of great accomplishments, accomplishments i'll take those home to voter overwhelmingly support, i believe, all those issues we took and measures we passed not to mention the child tax care decree, not to mention ohio union members have had their pensions protected. i know that sounds like a campaign speech, but you asked for it, chuck. >> i did. in fairness, what do we expect to hear from the january 6th committee tomorrow, making former criminal referrals to the

justice department? do you think that's helpful or hurtful to what the justice department is currently doing with the former president and january 6th? >> i'm not a lawyer, but you follow the law, and follow the evidence, and it's pretty clear from a congressman from mississippi, and the congresswoman from wyoming have done both those things, all of them. so i support what they're doing. i think they have shown courage. they stood up in some cases to their own political party and stood up to a president who is clearly flouted, or worse, the law. i applaud their efforts. are you guys going to be able to pass a budget before christmas, or are you coming back to wrap things up? >> we're coming back monday, finish in the next few days, and the country will be better off

because we have done it right. >> i hope for the sake of all your families, you do get home for christmas. thank you for sharing your views, and enjoy the holidays. >> thank you. joining me from the other side of the aisle is governor asa hutchenson. >> great to be with us this morning, chuck. >> let me start with something the "wall street journal" editorialized this weekend. they're frustrated and write this -- the gop dysfunction won't matter if it teaches republicans that their only chance of influencing policy is to stay united. on the evidence so far, however, republicans are the gang that couldn't shoot straight except at one another. do you disagree with anything they wrote there? >> well, i certainly agree that

the republican parties has to come tone, the american people put the republicans in charge of the house. we're expected to unite together. absolutely that point is well taken. secondly, we have to stop focusing on the each other one or caucus our or party and focus on the failures of the biden administration, which we're about to see once again when title 42 is lifted. we have an immigration crisis. we have challenges with our economy that will not change in the short term. that's what we have to focus on. you've had to deal with similar problems even in your state. there's a small faction of the party that seems to be influence.

at the rnc, with the speaker fight for kevin mccarthy, even a challenge to senator mcconnell. sort of two thirds of the party speaks with the same voice, but one third seems to hold the rest hosage. why is that? >> well, sometimes we fail in leadership. so republicans leadership should not be listening to the loudest voice in the world, so let's get back to working for middle america, leadership that's not yielding, so when you look at kevin mccarthy, he's got to win simply because you could lead to the loudest voice that's disruptive, that could bring our party down. you have to be strong. wherever i ran, i had somebody with a loud voice that ran

against me, and i won with 70% of the vote. that means 30%, close to it, didn't like the views i had, but that's the majority that we won with, and we're able to accomplish a great with that. that's how we have to lead as republicans. >> can you imagine that you couldn't take office until you had 100% of the republican party supporting you before you could take office. that's what mccarthy is facing. >> it is. you have to embrace the diversity, but at the same time if you're not going to operate as a team on certain fundamental levels, like being able to elect the leader of our party in the house, we are feeling the american people. we have to come together so we can get the important work done, to looking at controlling federal spending that's adding to inflation, and policies

enforcing the rule of law, which the failure to do though is leading to crime in our streets and real loy a lack of confidence in public safety. these are the fundamental issues that we're good at, and we just need to get through the leadership part and we'll be affecting on this next year. if you're thinking about running for president in 2024, if you were the leader of the party right now, how would you deal with somebody who says the following. i want to play this piece of sound from marjorie taylor greene. >> if we had organized that, we would have won. [ cheers and applause ] >> no -- -- >> that was margely taylor greene, saying if steve bannon and her were in charge, it would have been, i guess, a more armed

insurrection. she's becoming quite influential in your party. what do you do? >> you know, the first thing is that you win on the ideas and the constitution. so you don't back away from going to the same audience she does and say january 6th was a serious affront to our democracy. we have to treat that seriously. we can't defend what happened on that day, and we stand up for the constitution, and so i've always gone to the tough audiences, explained that, and guess what? they listened, and there's always some that disagree, but you have to win in the marketplace of ideas. at a leader of the party, that's what you've got to do. >> you spent a lot of 2021 tries to get some skeptics to take the backseat in arkansas, so i'm

curious what you think of this. >> my message is the vaccines protect you, get vaccinated. >> like anything, you take an mrna shot. the way to view it is what are the benefits and the drawbacks? it seems like our medical establishment never wanted to be honest with people about the potential drawbacks. >> he's leaning into vaccine skepticism at a time when i know health officials are trying to get people to take these boosters so we can prey convenient the po 00 deaths a day that we're still averaging in america. do you have any thoughts? >> we shouldn't undermine science and the medical community that's important to our public health. whenever you look at how i handled the pandemic in

arkansas, we didn't have mandates of government forcing people to take the vaccine, but i did go out into the communities. i had the medical experts educating them as to how this that is beneficial. i had local community doctors addressing that. i think we're not good as a society, it's not the right direction, if we diminish the facts, diminish all the best information we have from science at the time. sure, during the pandemic, things changed from time to time. we had to adjust. that's what leaders do, but i don't think it's good to go back, whether you're going back to the 2020 election or going back and trying to relitigate everything that happened. that's not helpful for where we are. we do need to make sure we gets the protection, whether it's a flu shot or covid vaccine.

everybody makes their decision. i'm for the education and science behind it. it wouldn't be "meet the press" if i didn't try to pinpoint when you're running for president. what is your timeline? and what would make you decide not to run for president? >> the timeline would be i finish january 10th after two terms as governor of arkansas. i can focus that point more on the future. the fact that president trump has already announced accelerates everyone's time frame, so the first quarter of next year, you eats need to be in or out. of course, an important factor is not what president trump is doing necessarily, but what's the level of support out there, and that's important to know. i expect a decision to be made first part of next year.

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and/or depositions. some of them were just interviews, not technically depositions. of course, they've had hundreds of thousands of documents that have been examined. now we expect three criminal referrals, eugene daniels, it's your news organization that broke the news about all three. how significant will this moment be tomorrow, because we don't think it would be that influential on the justice department. thoughts? >> i think it starts with the fact we have never seen this in this country before. we have never seen members of congress put out a report and refer charges to the justice department s but also, you know, it seems more likely than not that they're going to do this, that that will be a part of that document. right now it's still in there. three different types of

charges, and you still have members of the committee doing interviews, calling donald trump guilty. they spent a lot of time during the committee hearings talking about those, and they feel they have proven that he did those. when you look at the actual chapter titles that have been in the drafts, seven of the eight, trump's name is in there, so it's squarely focused on him. i think it's more likely than knoll wee do of it. >> we suspect this committee will not present them as decided. does that make it more impactful? >> they have gone to great lengths to try to stay unified. one of the things they would be looking at is insurrection. if they recommended criminal charges on insurrection for former president trump f. it's worth noting that those have not

been among the crimes of others charged. that would be new and significant. how it resonates with the american public remains to be seen. i can tell you from the white house's perspective, they're going to distance themselves, punt to doj, stay away from it as much as they can, and yet it benefits the president's message. just this week he was touting the record, and one of those things was his efforts to restore the soul of the nation. there would not be an embrace at least from the white house. >> there's a bunch of people that would like to see trump go, but they could be caught celebrating of trump being

charged. >> i think the committee expanded in a pretty dramatic way how much the information the public had on that and how much republican lawmakers had on that, and telling the story through republican witnesses, they in effect gave political cover to elected republicans, who frankly were too cowardly to speak out. i think the committee's job to this point was to say it's time to hold people accountable, and they're going to turn it over to other entities to actually hold people accountable. >> donna, this would be perceived pressure on the justice department o is that a fairway to read it? >> well, i think it's going to be an important marker for the department of justice, that

referrals coming from congress directly to them really compels the department of justice, to the extent it wasn't acting. frankly, i think the department of justice is acting, but will give them, i think, more leverage to continue their investigations. the important thing, though, is this is coming from congress. this is the people's house, you know, saying that they believe that there has been some criminal behavior. i think that's important for the american public to hear. i want to shift slightly. by the end of the week, carol lee, we expect to hear from the president on a bigger picture, yes what a week we'll have. we'll have the these-to-the end of the committee, and then the end of title 42. >> i'm told the president will speak to the american people

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she began her term at the stids of emergency operation, rather than at city hall. she explains. >> in los angeles, 40,000 people sleeping on the street every day. i believe that times of inflection require reflection. it's time for angelinos, my first act is to issue a state of emergency on homelessness. >> the new mayor of los angeles, karen bass. mayor bass, congratulations. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. thanks for having me on. i want to start with what's going to be different this time. what i mean by this time is, in

2015, this was pre-pandemic obviously, eric garcetti declared a version of a state of emergency. yours is a bit more comprehensive, but freed up $is 00 million and tried to tackle the homeless problem he was dealing with. it didn't work. what's going to make what you're doing more successful than what mayor garcetti attempted to do. >> first of all, it's not just about the money, but it's really about the arcane bureaucratic process. you talk to developers. it's just so difficult to get anything done. when i declared a state of emergency, and issued following executive directives, it basically allows the prod to be centralized. chuck, the other day i did a press conference on a piece of land where the builders had been working for 16 years, and it just finally broke ground.

so it's about bursting past the bureaucratic maze and developers having no idea which approvals will be done. now i'm requiring that approvals and the process by moved within 30 to 60 days. >> there's a few issues that people run into all the time when it comes to dealing with homelessness. what about people who don't want to leave, don't want to move, don't want to go into shelters? >> you know, what we have found in the community organizations we're bringing in to do this work is you can get 95% of the people housed. people will go. it takes a while, you have to do outreach. what the community programs do is they work with people who are formerly unhoused. people are united states housed for a variety of different reasons. some are profinedly mentally ill, some are profoundly addicted. you have to address the reasons

why they ended up unhoused. so we'll have a program called inside safe, to address the people in the tents -- it won't address everything, but hopefully a significant number, but we'll put them in motels and hotels immediately. it's interesting. it's lessons learned from the pandemic. some community organizations have been trying to get the city to master lease out entire hotels and motels for years. >> are you going to allow lapd and san station officers to do they sweeps? >> no, these are not sweeps at all. this is getting people to move on their own. then after the person leaves, sanitation will absolutely have to be there. this is not coercing people, ticketing people. this is moving people from tents to hotels or motels. >> we know some of this is -- we floe that you run across a bit

of mental health challenges here with the homeless population. mayor adams in new york city is talking about temporary institutions to help on those with mentality health problems. do you think we need to bring some institutions like that into play to help you in los angeles? >> well, let me just saying that one of our challenges in l.a. is the division between the city and the county. the county provides the services. we're doing this process jointly so we know the people on the street, again there's not enough services, but there will be some. in the that i have california, the legislature passed something, too, if somebody is profoundly mentally ill, they can be hospitalized. >> i'm curious, you talk about the issues you have with developers. the biggest issue the city sometimes has when it comes to tackling these housing issues

are they homeowner associations. they're extraordinarily litigious and extraordinarily powerful. does your emergency declaration give you any more authority in dealing with these powerful institutions or not? >> well, it does give me more authority to do that, but i do think there's a way to get neighborhoods to cooperate. you know, this problem is so severe in our city. literally five people a day die on our streets. it's so severe that i think some of the resistance that we've experienced in the past i'm hoping will be softened. there's some neighborhoods that want buildings to be built in certain areas, but it is still within their general neighborhood. you cannot address 40,000 people without building housing everywhere. you can't bet it just in the loud-income areas that are already severely overcrowded. >> give me a metric which you should by judged in in four

yours. is it number of people on the streets? number of tent encampments? what's a fair was for address your success or failure. >> encampments should be significantly down, if not eliminated. there should be housing being built underway at a much more rapid pace. there should not be 40,000 people who are unhoused, that's for sure. >> mayor karen bass. i appreciate you getting up super early on the west coast to share your perspective. good luck, and congratulations. we'll be following your progress. >> thank you. when we come back, we're going to look back at the lives we lost this year.

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we are back. one of the odder moments of the week was when the former president, donald trump, teased everybody about a major announcement, and it turned out to be this. >> hello, everyone. this is donald trump, hopefully your favorite president of all time, better than lincoln, better than washington, with an important announcement to make. i'm doing nigh first official nft collection right here and right now, called trump digital trading cards.

>> that made you uncomfortable, you're not alone. here's steve bannon. >> he's one of the greatest presidents in history, but whoever in the team, but we're at war. they ought to be fired today. >> when it's too much for steve bannon, what do you say, stephen? >> yeah, better than lincoln, better than washington? it's a bit rich for the people who have been in on the grift to now call it a grift. i think they're more upset that they're no longer getting their cut. if you're surprised by this at this point, you haven't been paying attention, but it ought to remind republicans every time they make a compromise with donald trump, either on a policy issue or by backing him when they shouldn't, it's not a temporary pass to get you beyond

this immediate moment, it's tying you deeper to somebody who had do something like this, and claim in what would appear to be a certificate argument, that he's a better president than abraham lincoln or george washington. >> eugene, we through this a lot, but my word, seriously? >> you know, for weeks and weeks, republicans have been seriously starting to back away from donald trump. we've seen it show up in polls. i think they were fine with these weird things. since the mid terms that's not been the case. we're not even winning and still getting dragged into thinks things. i think we've been here before, in 2016 when he was running, during his presidency many times after the election and after january 6th, you know, cautioned everybody, including myself to

think that the rep party is going to move away, because it's going to take an actual head-on collision with donald trump to really make the republicans move away from him. >> i do want to point out, though, carol lee, rupert me delk is calls donald trump a conartist. of course, so did marco rubio at some point. my, this could be the breaking point for some. >> i've been talk to go trump supporters over the weekend, including republicans who are also close to governor desantis in florida. the feeling is there was a lot of excitement around the former president when he first announced. since thinks supporters just can't find him. imagine you're a supporter and you want information, where do you go? furthermore, if you're a republicans and you're looking

for a leader, where do you go? so you see governor desantis filling a void. then you see him taking these positions where he's trying to get to the right of trump on vaccines, for instance. that's something that the former president's team has taken notice of. yet, still there are no plans for him to do the things that his supporters say they want, which is rallies, things like that. he has still very much expected to do these smaller events, focused on policy, so they say this is something he could turn around. if he doesn't, it's himself to blame. >> unfortunately i have to left it there. that's all we have today. thank you for watching. we'll be back next week, even on christmas, because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

this week's states along our southern border are bracing for a massive surge of might grants as title 42 is set to expire this is unless the supreme court steps in as early as today breaking overnight, a very rare mass shooting north of the border in canada details ahead. elon musk is asking for your help in a vote on whether you think he should be replaced as ceo. results expected this morning. today the january 6th committee is wrapping up their investigation and expected to urge the justice department to pursue criminal charges against former president trump