gb news. >> welcome to the andersons. real world. >> tonight on the show, i've got andrew jameson. also got matthew laza. he's back on the show for about the 10th time. we've got charlie mullins, the pimlico plumber. he's on the show happiness activator. steph peltier and mathematics legend bobby seagull. but first, let's go to the . news. go to the. news. >> hello. here are the headlines from the gb newsroom. i'm tamsin roberts the king is returning to pubuc roberts the king is returning to public duties following the positive effect of his cancer treatment. buckingham palace says king charles is greatly encouraged to be resuming some pubuc encouraged to be resuming some public facing duties and very

grateful to his medical team. he's been receiving outpatient care since february and will continue to be treated for the undisclosed form of cancer, a palace spokesperson said. his majesty's medical team are very encouraged by the progress made so far. charles and the queen will visit a cancer treatment centre on tuesday to meet medical specialists and patients . a coroner has ruled. the deaths of three terror attack victims in reading were probably avoidable, and cited failings of multiple agencies friends james furlong, doctor david wales and joseph ritchie—bennett were fatally stabbed in june 2020 when libyan refugee kyrees al harwin targeted them in forbury gardens. three other people were also injured before saadallah was chased off by an off duty police officer. the coroner said failings by the home office and berkshire's nhs community mental health team contributed to their deaths .

health team contributed to their deaths. humza health team contributed to their deaths . humza yousaf says he deaths. humza yousaf says he will not resign as scotland's first minister, ahead of a crucial test of his leadership next week . he says that as next week. he says that as a minority government, his party will need to make some concessions as it negotiates with other parties. it's after the collapse of the snp's power sharing deal with the greens yesterday. but humza yousaf says he'll fight on. >> i fully intend to, not just win that vote, but i intend to fight to make sure that the government stays, not just the government stays, not just the government continues to deliver on the priorities of the people, like, for example, investing in affordable housing. so there's all that political game playing happening from the opposition. it will not be taking part. it will be getting, of course, on with the job. and when the vote comes, i fully intend to win. >> the foreign office has summoned the russian ambassador after a british man was allegedly recruited as a russian spy. 20 year old dylan earl has been charged with conducting hostile activity in the uk to benefit russia. he's accused of masterminding an arson plot on

london businesses . masterminding an arson plot on london businesses. four masterminding an arson plot on london businesses . four other london businesses. four other men were also charged in connection with the same investigation . in and in a investigation. in and in a separate case, a former parliamentary researcher has been ordered not to contact mps after he was charged with spying for china. christopher cash, who's 29, and 32 year old christopher berry are accused of offences under the official secrets act. the pair appeared at westminster magistrates court this morning but were not required to enter any pleas. both have been granted bail. well, those are the top stories. and for the latest, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or just go to gb news. common alerts. now it's back to lee anderson's real . anderson's real. world. >> welcome to the anderson's real world. i'm lee anderson, the reform uk mp for ashfield.

and tonight i'm delighted to be joined by andrew gimson, who is a political biographer and journalist. and our left in the corner housewives favourite. my mother's favourite , matthew laws mother's favourite, matthew laws is back on the show for about the 20th time. he must need the money. now we're going to talk about sir keir starmer tonight. there has been an outbreak of patriotic ism within the labour party just this week. earlier this week, he reminded some of his mps that they got to fly the flag of saint george. he's, he's he's big in the country up. he's waving the flag. i think next matthew, he's going to be slaying a dragon somewhere into what do you think is it is it another bandwagon that secure is jumping on.7 >> well, i was about to tell you about my great performance age ten, slaying the dragon in the school play. saint george. but no, i don't think. i mean, i think the labour party has always been a patriotic party. i think the corbyn years were difficult because, you know, jeremy was jeremy. but you know, when you and i used to campaign for the labour party together, lee, you were just as patriotic then as you are now, because i

don't think caring about country is about party. so, yeah, i think he's emphasising his belief in britain and how britain can have a better future. but i mean, on on things on the flag of saint george. he's a massive football fan, genuinely a football fan. i hate him. politics, all people have to pretend they're football fans. he's genuinely one, so he's obviously very comfortable in england. >> so andrew, when you patriotic in this country, i sort resume that. yeah. you wave the flag and you sing the national anthem and you sing the national anthem and you sing the national anthem and you support the royal family. but we know that sir keir is not very supportive of the royal family. he is, in fact, a republican. >> sir keir is a man of very strong opinions, but like a lot of englishmen, not very good at expressing them. >> so he sounds a bit bogus when he's waving a saint george's flag. that's not his real idea of how to express patriotism. and he can't bear people like bofis and he can't bear people like boris johnson and jacob rees—mogg, who would be much more flamboyant about their love of england. he's a man like his own father, actually. he's incapable of being pretty much incapable of being pretty much incapable of being flamboyant people quite like that. >> yeah, i think andrew's sort of suggesting here. forgive me if i'm wrong, andrew, that sir keir, when it comes to patriotism, is a bit of a wolf

in sheep's clothing. it's not a bandwagon. >> i think he's a quiet patriot. absolutely. yeah. i think andrew's saying he's a quiet patriot. and look, we are as andrew says, there is a kind of engush andrew says, there is a kind of english way of expressing, your pride , and, you know, it needs pride, and, you know, it needs to not sort of. i mean, we don't all walk around with a with a flag badge, like every american politician does. we don't have to do that. it's a more quiet pride. but on every labour membership card. now, i know you don't have one anymore, but on every labour membership card now is the union flag. so, you know, that's now is it.7 we had it on the sets in the past, but it's the sets in the past, but it's the first time it's been on the membership card. yeah. >> okay. andrew. well attlee was a great patriot. he was done his bit, did his bit at gallipoli and all that. >> yeah, and admired churchill for being a patriot. so i think it's not the property of any one party. and i think it's rather ridiculous if you try to dismiss any political party as unpatriotic when the next war starts, i'm sure. well, he's a bit old for it now. so am i, thank god. but he'd do his bit, wouldn't he. well. >> oh sir keir. yeah. >> oh sir keir. yeah. >> but of course all this stuff

about universal human rights that slightly confuses people because, disraeli, for example, the greatest, in my opinion, the greatest tory leader. he said that to, to the rights of man. he preferred the rights of englishmen. and that resonates with a lot of tories, including myself, that we have our rights going back to magna carta and going back to magna carta and going back to anglo—saxon england, very deeply embedded in our culture. and we don't need this fancy document drawn up in order to tell people what the second world war was about. >> i think matthew, what sticks in the throat of, of, of some people is, i mean, i remember, you know, when i was delivering leaflets with matthew, many , leaflets with matthew, many, many moons ago, the emily thornberry incident where she was sort of sneering at working class people flying the flag of saint george on their council property somewhere. i think it was in essex. and i think people still remember that. >> yeah. look, i mean, i worked for ed miliband at the time and i was with ed, ed, ed sacked emily from the frontbench after that incident from my phone at my desk. she was back on the

frontbench. she's back on the frontbench. she's back on the frontbench now because she's apologised fully. but at the time it was it was it was a very, very ill judged tweet. and it was weird because it was about somebody flying the saint george's flag on a council estate in kent and i think emily grew up on a council estate in kent. so, it was just it was a silly thing to do. but what i'm saying is, is that ed, who may have expressed his patriotism in a different way, was equally, thought that it was absolutely a great thing that people fly the saint george's flag. i mean, it's not remember, none of us. the saint george's flag wasn't flying very much in the 70s and the 80s, i think, because engush the 80s, i think, because english people just used the union jack, and now it's become it's become more of a thing across society. and obviously, i think what it is matthew and andrew might agree with me or he might not. >> is that. yeah, you're right. it wasn't flown so much in the 70s, 80s and early 90s. but i think people, especially in my neck of the woods, they've sort of seen other flags being flown all the time. and they're feeling, you know, hold on a minute. you know, we're feeling a little bit isolated. it's about time we not fought back as such. but, you know, actually we're proud of our history, our

heritage, our culture and did a bit of flag waving ourselves. is there any truth in that, andrew? yes >> no, i think they thought that you can't leave this this, this flag to be the monopoly of yobs and hooligans. it always had flown in a in a beautifully undemonstrative way from the top of church towers all over the country. but people didn't wave it around. and people would rather stop waving the union jack around as well. but obviously a lot of it. i mean, at home we got some sort of flags which they were going to put up when my grandfather got back from burma. yeah, in fact, he got back at about 3:00 in the morning. so, the flags were not put up, but there were there were obviously a lot of flags around in 1945, and it gradually diminished. and now people have perhaps realised that you do need flags. yeah. but not it's not like the stars and stripes which is absolutely everywhere. and they sing that song song of theirs at the beginning, beginning of every political meeting. >> i went to see a friend a few years back in, in florida, and they do the last, last post every night. this, this flag comes up and down. this certain part of sarasota the place was. but do you think, matthew, that sort of politicians maybe we're all guilty of this as sort of being a bit cynical now they're using the flag to say, look at

me, i'm british, i'm proud to be engush me, i'm british, i'm proud to be english as a political ploy. yeah. >> i think, you know, you have to be careful about how you use the flag, because you don't want to be seen to be sort of just wrapping yourself in it for the sake of it. i think he has got the balance right. but i think, i mean, what i hate in politics is when i mean, i won't name the politician who, had got their england shirt out for an england match and it still had the stripe, you know, the creases in it from it just come out of the out of the plastic bag. and frankly, frankly, you've had that. you've had politicians. i'm thinking of a tory in this instance. but we've seen politicians of all all stripes doing just be yourself. you know, kie genuinely wears an england shirt because he goes to england shirt because he goes to england games, if it's not your thing, it doesn't have to be your thing. and i think, as andrew says, we don't want to all be kind of having to drape ourselves in the flag for the sake of it. but a quiet patriotism is a good thing, suppose. >> okay enjoys the england matches because they're still taking the knee before the kick off. >> haha. >> haha. >> oh, that's a whole different debate. >> well, it's a different debate, but no, you're right, it does go to the football matches. he does. he does support our national team. but i'll tell you, one of the things i'd like to see, and it's one of the things i wrote to government

about when i first got elected. i want to see all our public buildings, our schools, our hospitals, our libraries, our council buildings fly the flag of saint george and the union flag. and i think we should have a picture of our monarch in scores. and i think we should sing the national anthem every day in our scores. do you agree with that, matthew? >> well, look, i'm not sure that i think that singing the national anthem in schools is a little bit american for me , that little bit american for me, that at least it seems it doesn't seem to chime with the kind of quiet patriotism that's older than america. yeah, we are absolutely. i mean, i mean, also our national anthem is not the greatest song in the world. >> my primary school, we sang eternal father strong to save. whose arm hath bound the restless wave . who bids the restless wave. who bids the mighty ocean deep. its own appointed limits keep. and that was the idea of this country as a seafaring country, which is very much died out. we really should be admiring. i saw there was a school named after sir francis drake, which has renamed itself two oaks. this is a very bad thing. so francis drake was a great man. like most great men. he had flaws, but he was a great man. so he should be very, very proud of our heroes, many of whom were these these very , of whom were these these very, very brave navigators who went round the world and did things

which had never been done. >> would that be a problem, matthew? you know , flying flags matthew? you know, flying flags at schools. let's think about having portraits of , i don't having portraits of, i don't know, monarchs from present and past and maybe some political leaders like sir winston churchill. yeah, absolutely. >> or and to next clement attlee, as we were discussing a moment ago . look, i mean, i'm in moment ago. look, i mean, i'm in favour of getting the balance right. i think history is vitally important. i think it's daft if schools are dropping things like francis drake from their from their title, but i don't quite like just on a personal note, i don't like sort of kind of americanism tipping into kind of north korea ism of everybody having to, sort of salute the flag in the morning. i think a quiet patriotism is what we want, and we should be very proud of our country, of its past, and i hope, of its future. >> and we are going to be talking about scores later on in the program. but, you know, we did . we see some of the scores, did. we see some of the scores, some of the young children, especially in inner city areas , especially in inner city areas, having their problems and social problems. i think sometimes matthew , correct me if i'm matthew, correct me if i'm wrong, that a little reminder into the past of if you put a couple of pictures up in a school now of clement attlee and winston churchill, most kids wouldn't even know who they

were. >> i think one of the dangers in schools is that all everybody ever learns about now is the nazis. basically, that history consists of, the sort of lead up and the second world war, and we don't have a wider, context . i don't have a wider, context. i think it's absolutely vital that in a sense, our national story is told because you can't prepare for the future if you don't have that understanding of the past. so i hope, of course, all parties we can we can sort of unite around the importance of unite around the importance of history in our schools. >> andrew morris in our schools, british history, yes, more history . history. >> there is there are some very good history history teachers around my younger brother teaches history in a comprehensive school and, his people think highly of him, so it's not not totally. and they certainly don't just do the second world war. so it's not it. there's always a danger of thinking, of being, of talking ourselves into a very gloomy and depressed state. there is, in fact, a vast interest among adults as well as children in history . people visit sites, history. people visit sites, they read history. they're fascinated by it. and there's always more to learn. you can never do enough history, actually. >> and that's the thing, matthew. if we're going to teach history, it's got to be it's got to be taught by good teachers.

absolutely teachers without a political agenda. and we see a lot of teachers in our school today that got the similar sort of mindset . some teachers, some of mindset. some teachers, some teachers are quite dangerous. >> some teachers are very eccentric and children are bright enough to understand. absolutely. >> yeah. when i was taught history at school, we did, you know, we had teachers who could tell their politics, but they were different. they were they were different. they were they were different. they were they were different sorts of politics. i think if teachers had my politics, we'd be all right. i mean, but, look, i think what we want is, i mean, there's absolutely some great history teachers. i was inspired at school by that. but we know what happened is we sort of british history up until gcse. and then it all kind of did sort of descend . i think gcse is when of descend. i think gcse is when it goes into it goes into the great dictators was i did it gcse and a—level and the russian revolution. so we need to make sure that british history is part of that mix, as well as understanding great british history. >> look guys, time for the yes or no quiz . you know the rules. or no quiz. you know the rules. yes or no answer. sometimes people struggle with that one. the legendary stephen pound. he struggles with it . i think the struggles with it. i think the most he's got is two out of five. so ha ha ha. let's go for it. matthew. is the labour party patriotic ? yes. andrew. yes

patriotic? yes. andrew. yes andrew. question to you. should the archbishop of canterbury practice what he preaches and house migrants in lambeth palace? no matthew. no. oh, god . palace? no matthew. no. oh, god. number three, matthew. will trump win the us election? no yes. >> yes, number four for you, andrew. >> should illegal migrants crossing the channel be sent back to france the same day ? no. back to france the same day? no. matthew no. it's a bit liberal on this side. >> hahahahaha. >> hahahahaha. >> so a final question to you . >> so a final question to you. you first. matthew, will nigel farage return to frontline politics? yes >> yeah, i think you'll find it irresistible. >> see, you've got the last one wrong. it's a yes or a no. >> yes. all right . >> yes. all right. >> yes. all right. >> okay. so i can't give you that one. so matthew, you're ready . ready. >> harsh, harsh, matthew was one again. my mother will be delighted. >> yes. no, he's a he's a pro.

rm— >> yes. no, he's a he's a pro. i'm just a this is good for a first time struggling beginner. yeah. >> matthew, there was a couple. i think he agreed on all of them . apart from one, do you wanna come ? yeah. come? yeah. >> can i justify the turnaround in the first day? we absolutely need to process asylum claims a lot quicker. we need to see smash the gangs so that we have fewer people coming on boats. smash the gangs. >> what does that mean, matthew? >> what does that mean, matthew? >> it means using anti—terrorism legislation, which the tories won't do, against the criminal gangs, which would make a difference. so the police are absolutely insistent. and it also means setting up this new cross—border, police force targeting the criminal gangs. but in terms of turning and we need to process applications a lot, lot faster. the turnarounds, the people sitting in hotels is just crazy. it's crazy for them. and it's crazy straight out crazy , straight out straight out crazy, straight out of hotels, straight into a council house in ashfield . council house in ashfield. >> that's a great policy. >> that's a great policy. >> no no no no, i want them to stop. >> i want to turn around. >> i want to turn around. >> if we could, if we could agree with that system with the french, yeah. all well and good. but if we can't, then we have a wider interest in getting on

with our neighbours. and i think to antagonise the french by trying to drop off boatloads of returned migrants the same day, some of whom would probably drown. it would just be a ridiculous argument to have with the french. of course we need to do stuff with them and we need french french police to up their game and all that. but i think the same day also, i think it that that takes no account of the of certain genuine hard cases. and of course hard cases make bad law. but there would be hard cases that would discredit. they would discredit your entire your your reputation for statesmanship would be damaged. oh, listen, i'm sick to death. >> i'm sick to death of the liberal elite like you now, because you're one of those now that's worried about our reputation on the international stage. >> i was talking, i was i was teasing you. >> people in ashfield aren't interested in international reputations or international law. they want this ridiculous illegal migration. >> i think we ought to sort it out and they would go, you know, matthew, you've been to my show. >> they'd send them back the same day.

>> well, you say, you say it's ridiculous, but it's happening in pretty much every prosperous country, isn't it? >> the americans have got an enormous problem. the germans , enormous problem. the germans, everyone's very cross about it. so it's not only us, it's not a unique . we don't have a unique. we don't have a uniquely. >> we are have an incompetent, incompetent handling it. >> we are unique because we're an island and should be able to sort this out. look, i'm gonna have to stop you there, guys, because we're going back in the day with businessman charlie mullins. i'm looking forward to that one.

okay. welcome back to lee anderson's real world. i'm smiling because we've got happiness. coach. in the room somewhere. but i'm delighted to be joined by charlie mullins, who is a british businessman. he's a millionaire . he's the he's a millionaire. he's the founder of pimlico plumbers. he does great work for charity . all does great work for charity. all started when he was 15 years old. did you do an apprenticeship straight away, charlie? when you. when you left. >> yeah, i mean multi millionaire multi. >> oh, sorry. multi millionaire. i'm smiling even more now. >> yeah i've done the

apprenticeship, left school at 15 and you know very little education and straight into apprenticeship for your apprenticeship for your apprenticeship and after that become self—employed . yeah. then become self—employed. yeah. then form pimlico plumbers and it's just getting better and better. yeah. >> so it's graft. it's hard work, it's determination . a work, it's determination. a little bit of luck, i suppose sometimes for people who need a little bit of luck in life as well. but i think the main thing is that that is that desire to get up and work. >> i don't believe in the luck thing. i just believe in, you know, getting up early and going to work and giving it your best shot. and the more you put into it, the more you're going to get out of it. and, you know, being enthusiastic and having drive and willpower and wanting to succeed. my reason was, just to have a better life, you know, a better standard of life come from a fairly poor family. and like, like many people at the time . and the only way to make time. and the only way to make something happen is to think that was a driver, though. >> charlie, coming from a poor family, not having much when he was growing up, undoubtedly, undoubtedly was. >> yeah. because, you know, you don't want your own family to go through that type of thing. and, undoubtedly be the driver. and

then, you know, i used to bunk off school when i was about nine and help a local plumber, and that was, you know , great that was, you know, great education, you know, i mean, i learned that if you don't get educated at school, you get educated at school, you get educated at school, you get educated at work. yeah. >> because school is not for everybody . some, you know, everybody. some, you know, especially young lads as well. i see it in my neck of the woods, like to get out and get the hands mucky. but there's a lot of kids out there that's not seen that work ethic in their household, probably third or fourth generation now, where they've never seen a parent go to work and they sort of think some of them , and it's not their some of them, and it's not their fault, think that the state owes them a living , fault, think that the state owes them a living, i fault, think that the state owes them a living , i totally agree them a living, i totally agree with you. i'm not sure when you say it's not their fault. i'm not about the children. yeah. no, no, you want about the children, but what i'm trying to say is, you know, it's them that has to get up. it's them that has to get up. it's them that has to get up. it's them that has to go and find a job. you can't expect your parents to do that for you . i get that, you that for you. i get that, you know, they're seeing these lazy whatever you want to call them at home. and the work from home culture i don't think is helping. but, you know, there's plenty of vacancies out there. people keep complaining that there's nothing out there but if

you were starving, hungry, you'd find a job, wouldn't you? yeah, yeah, you're a role model. >> you know, you're the rags to fiches >> you know, you're the rags to riches sort of story, and people can see that. i think we know if charlie's done that, i can do that. but when you brought up in some of these households where the children have never seen a proper role model, never seen , proper role model, never seen, mum or dad get up and go to work and bring the money in. just relied on the state. a lot of these families, unfortunately. now we see it third or fourth generation. like i've said before, it's more difficult for them. you had something in you, though, charlie. different that drive that ambition to get up and go. >> you know, it was embarrassing not to have a job and, and, you know, if you never had a job, you used to keep it quiet , like. you used to keep it quiet, like. but, you know, i've never been out of work. and i remember , out of work. and i remember, like, probably 50 odd years ago when the plumber i was helping. excuse me? he said, if you do an apprenticeship , you'll never be apprenticeship, you'll never be out of work and you'll earn loads of money and i say the same thing to youngsters now. >> so we see the government over in that place where i'm working at the moment, making sort of noises to get people off sickness benefits, get people back to work. you know, there is a bit of a sick note culture, i

think, creeping into this country. charlie creeping. what's your take on that? >> well, look, i actually no, i'm not a great lover of the prime minister but that particular thing of trying to get people back into work, i think it's a great move. i mean, you know, i've made quite a few comments on it and done a few sort of interviews on it and getting a lot of stick from people. but i made it very clear that people that are disabled, unwell or have genuine mental health issues or they're caring for someone, yes , they need to for someone, yes, they need to be on benefits and we need to look after them. but all the other lot that make out they've got the mental health illness and the monday to friday illness and, you know, anything that they've got, anything, any excuse rather than go to work then then ones i have to say i think they're benefit cheats . think they're benefit cheats. quicker we get them in the workplace, the better they need to be putting into the pot and stop taking out of it. >> but how do you weed those ones out? charlie? it's very difficult when you stick out like a sore thumb tonight. well, it's like the old bad back into it. you used to see blokes hobbung it. you used to see blokes hobbling about on, you know, on the stick. monday to friday with

a bad back when the gaffer were looking, then suddenly, suddenly they'd been out, you know, they're the ones, they're at home all day and they wave you off from their window. >> and when you come home at night, they say hello again. look, i'll give you a clue on it. not that you know, i've got big telly, loads of fags, cans of beer and yap, yap, yap down the pub. so you know, they're not hard to spot, are they ? i not hard to spot, are they? i mean, look they go to the doctor now or the gp and they convinced the gp that they got mental health issues. right. well, years ago it was the doctor that had to convince you that you had issues . but they're going to issues. but they're going to tell them there's a guy the other day i know he rung up his doctor and he signed him off for six weeks. and he didn't even visit the gp. and all this guy said to him was , i don't feel said to him was, i don't feel like going to work. i think i'm having mental health problems . having mental health problems. yeah. he signed him off for six weeks. that's how simple it is. >> that's i mean, that's happening all over the country as well. >> yeah. i mean, look, you know, people keep saying to me, you're knocking the poor, you're knocking the poor, you're knocking the, the, the people that you started a new business now aren't you, charlie? >> so if you've got somebody ringing you up and saying,

charlie, i'm not very well. i've. something's upset me on the tv. i won't have six weeks off. what would you say to them? >> oh, don't come back. yeah. you know, have as much time off as you want. yeah. you know, look, genuine cases , you know, look, genuine cases, you know, you just know with your instinct and that and but now they text in. they ain't even got make out that they're ill, you know. >> but it's not fair on the genuine people, the millions of people that get up in the morning, put a shift in, pay their taxes, do the right thing, and sometimes people say, you know, some people out there say, look at politicians like me and say, are you picking on the weak, the disabled? no, i'm not. you know, we've actually helping them. you've got to you've got to pull your weight in this country. surely >> look, as i keep saying, when l, >> look, as i keep saying, when i, when i say it, you know, if we get more people into the workplace, there'll be more funds available , more for the funds available, more for the genuine benefit. people that need it. yeah. i mean , need it. yeah. i mean, unfortunately, the system's gone crazy, and, you know, we're just giving our money away. we need to put a stop on. >> so, charlie, you've got to. you made that quite clear at the beginning. and when you've got a bob or two, it means you can do good things as well. don't it?

means you can help support good causes charities. and i know you're telling me earlier about the shooting star children's hospice, which you were helping. tell me about that. >> well, i mean, it's a hospital for obviously, you know, very ill children with cancer and, fundraisers there, as karen sugerman just got. she just got an mba, which i think is well deserved as simon cowell's, involved with it. james dame collins tony added, many, many celebrities are there and they do a great job and they got the 20 year ball coming up shortly , 20 year ball coming up shortly, which is going to be a fabulous evening. so yes, i, you know , evening. so yes, i, you know, very pleased to say that i, you know, can help them out. it's great work you're doing. >> and i know you've been involved in politics like i am sometimes rich people, people that earn a lot of money, get a lot of stick. but when you look at how much money you put back into society through through income tax, through corporation tax , through your business, tax, through your business, through employing hundreds of people, they're all paying income tax in mass insurance. that's right. do you think sometimes these entrepreneurs, these rich people get get a raw deal from. >> well, they they you know, they all seem to think you're greedy, etc. and, you know, they

say you shouldn't say how much you're put in charity and all that, which is nonsense. i don't agree with that. but you know, i'm going to just say to you, i put over £1 million in in 12 months. and i'm and i'm very pleased that i can sit here and say that and help a lot of people. and i will continue doing that, as long as i can. >> charlie. that's brilliant interview. that's gone really, really quickly. that was quick. i'd love to get you back on. thanks for that, buddy. but coming up next, we've got bobby seagull. he's a mathematical genius. and matthew laza and they're going to be talking about education has failed children over the past year or so since the pandemic

pupils in this great country of ours are suffering, guys. because of the. the after effects of the pandemic. schools were closed. children weren't getting the proper lessons. and we're seeing now some of the worst exam results for over a decade. i'm joining with bobby seagull, who's a broadcaster and

a mathematical genius. is that correct, bobby? >> well, i say just say genius is a genius and a star of university challenge. >> and unfortunately, back here again, can't get rid of me is, my mother's favourite matthew laza. look, let's discuss this, guys, the pandemic. if we could go back in time, i think we'd do things differently . i certainly things differently. i certainly would as a member of parliament. some of the vote, the way we voted was, you know, we pushed back behind closed doors. but i wanted children to be at school all the way through, and we're seeing now, bobby, the results of this mental health problems, they're behind with the studies. they fail in exams. and this is going to affect their whole life choices, surely? yeah. >> there was a report by the nuffield foundation recently that said that children by 2030, i think only 40% of children will get good grades in maths and english. and it's a drop from now. so we're going to see the worst results in a generation. and i think these students, they missed out on academic learning and the way learning works in school, especially with maths and english, is quite foundational. if you again in history, if you miss a term, if you miss studying the tudors, it's okay.

you can learn about world war ii separately. but in maths, if you miss fractions, learning about decimals and percentages becomes more difficult. or in english you miss the topic about nouns and all the other things become more challenging . and i think more challenging. and i think we're going to see that compounding impact of learning. sometimes you get compounding being an incredible force for good, but actually going to see a negative compounding. so you've got the academic side, but also young people are social beings and the competitive as well. >> yeah, they need to see how others are doing. >> are they got 70 to 70? >> are they got 70 to 70? >> i want to beat that. and they had two years of a lack of that. >> so i think we're going to see the impact of that. >> so we're going to go back in time now bobby, because, the great matthew laza, he was telling me earlier that when he was at school , he telling me earlier that when he was at school, he used to dress up as a victorian mill owner and, mill worker. >> mill worker. sorry, but he neveri >> mill worker. sorry, but he never i don't think anybody actually learned about history. >> i mean, i went to a primary school in a tory controlled county council in the 80s, but, it was a school that sort of got the trendy teaching bug, which frankly , everybody got in the in frankly, everybody got in the in the 70s and 80s and we learned

through creative play . we through creative play. we dressed up, we dressed up as maories. can you believe that? you certainly wouldn't be doing that now as new zealand maories, for a week and a week is victorian sort of street urchins and mill workers, and we did this incredible system where you learn you didn't write anything down. you used effectively scrabble letters. it was called breakthrough. and i think one of david blunkett, when he became education secretary's first act, was to scrap it because it was one of those sort of ultimate trendy ways of meeting of learning. so i don't think we did enough maths in primary school, which is what i think we really missed out on because, as you say, the basics, if you don't have the building blocks, then that makes it so much more difficult later on. i think you get the mass, you get like if you get a negative experience early on in your life when you're five, 6 or 11, then for the rest of your life you're scarred and you think, i can't do maths? >> and i see that as a secondary teacher. so maths, it's not the sexiest of subjects, is it? >> people look at it like science and think, oh, what's the. >> unless bobby's teaching it. >> unless bobby's teaching it. >> yeah, you know, back in the day when you could understand why we needed maths because there was no calculators, no computers, and stuff like that . computers, and stuff like that. >> we had calculators by the time i was at school. >> well, we did when i was at school. >> there was, i think there was

just coming in to slide rule. yeah, we had slide rules. yeah, we had a slide rule. but so but children now they've got, they've got the gimmicks, they've got the gimmicks, they've got the watches, they've got the phones. they sort of say well what's the point. so i think it's to do with giving young people the confidence to think that they can take on the world, as it were. >> but again, whether again, maths is not just algebra and trigonometry, i love those things, but it's practical numeracy. a lot of young people, they struggle looking at their pace statements, understanding what taxes are. even if they're trying to plan cooking a meal, they're looking at, you know, they're looking at, you know, the recipe and the ingredients and they're like, what's going on here for two people, for four people? or they're planning a journey to work and they have no idea a bus timetable. there's a lot of practical bits of numeracy. and again, my students , if you, you know, talk to them about football or league tables, they'll tell you, yeah. west ham we need to get the next three games, win it. and then we've got probably a chance of coming. probably conference league, maybe europa league. the doing all these calculations and i think the problem is people think the problem is people think maths is just algebra and trigonometry. but anything with numbers in the real world or data or logic is an application of maths. >> and we now live in a data dnven >> and we now live in a data driven world. so actually the bizarrely, in a world where you do have calculators and

everything is done on your computer, your phone or your watch, you actually need those maths skills more because data is the biggest growth industry. >> we've got elections coming up as well. so maths plays a big part in data collection . you part in data collection. you know, the way people vote, the demographics and stuff like that . but i want to talk about white privilege, guys. bobby, you're i think your your background's in. i think your parents were indian . yeah, and they came to our country because, in our country, people from from different cultures come in and see amazing opportunities that you can go and get a good education and get and get a good education and get a good job and live a wonderful way of life . probably better way of life. probably better than the countries that come from, which is great. but why is it, you know, when we hear people bang on about white privilege and you know, we, you know, people like me and matthew who have got more opportunities and etc. yeah, kids from from india and from china do better at school in maths and sciences. so i think it's partly cultural. >> so if you look at south asian, east asian families, when they move to, let's say the us or the uk , they, their parents or the uk, they, their parents or the uk, they, their parents or grandparents will say, we're in this country now . there's

in this country now. there's great opportunity. if you study hard, you can, you know, do a—levels, go to universities, get a good job. and that was drilled into us from a young age. okay. this is the land of opportunity, but interestingly , opportunity, but interestingly, i do think that sometimes, again, my kids and my, my siblings, kids generation, they tend to sort of normalise to the mean . so while i've worked hard, mean. so while i've worked hard, i worry that my children will be like , oh yeah, i'll sit back like, oh yeah, i'll sit back here, dad, life is really comfortable here. so they all sort of mean revert. but i definitely think the, the first generation, when they come to a sort of western country , they've sort of western country, they've got this urge to sort of work hard. >> and that's probably why matthew was dressing up as mill workers, although he certainly, you know, i think it's i think it's really interesting. >> the differential achievement. i think there were many things to be learned, but as you say, you know, anybody who's just bandies around the term white privilege needs to break it down. yeah. and one of the things is, is that white working class boys in particular, are underachievers in british schools. and we need to work out why that is and we need to address that directly. so it's abouti address that directly. so it's about i hate sort of simple labels. it's about looking at the detail of the situation and

seeing what's right to support everybody, because we need everybody, because we need everybody to do better in school, because we need a more skilled workforce for the world. you know, the sort of globalised world out there. >> well, it is it is annoying, bobby, when i see someone because i visit schools on a regular basis, some good scores. not so, you know, some not so good. they think that, you know, we've had a decent education system in this country for best part 150 to 200 years, where kids have been able to go and, you know, learn how to read and write. but we seem to be you know, being overtaken by by other countries, other cultures that come to this, people that come to this country and say, wow, this is great, this is free education and it's not free university. but there is still massive opportunities in this country. >> yeah, i think again, it's one of the things where in this world we can be quite negative and cynical. yeah, and i've read and cynical. yeah, and i've read a book by hans rosling and he's a book by hans rosling and he's a book by hans rosling and he's a book author that talked about how we can look at the world using data. and actually, most people, if you ask them, oh, they say, oh, the world is , you they say, oh, the world is, you know, everything's going wrong. but actually, you know, in the last 5000 years, longer life expectancy, better literacy , expectancy, better literacy, better numeracy, better rights for women, ethnic minorities. so

sometimes we obviously we always want to improve. but i think we get lost a bit in the sort of negative. >> yeah i think i mean, i think one of the most despairing things actually, i would say about the last decade and a half , i mean, you know, the tories are responsible for it in part, but also also the also, you're not in the tories anymore. i'm allowed to say it. but but you're looking at me with that stare again, aren't you? >> you're glaring at me . >> you're glaring at me. >> you're glaring at me. >> oh, your mum will tell me off, but i think what is the sort of lack of hope and the lack of optimism about the future is something that we need to back in. and actually, i think that takes us back into schools, because i think if people feel that they're not going to be able to get a good job, that it's not worth studying hard, then that in fact, you know, if you don't have optimism about your future, then you're less likely to perform at school . so i think perform at school. so i think optimism is actually absolutely vital. >> but there is in this society, guys, a lot of poor me syndrome people expect people to knock on their door and offer them the best job in the world in a nice flat car and a house and lots of money. it doesn't happen like that, does it? no. >> i think one of the things i try to teach my students is there are opportunities there, but you've got to go and knock on the doors. if you're not

knocking on the doors, no one's going to deliver for you. yeah. >> i mean, i also like to say about about your part of the world about ashfield, which is that people obviously in a former mining community, people have lost their sense of identity because of a dominant, previously dominant industry. and i totally understand that. but one of the ways that people are going to be prosperous in the future is by raising educational achievement. so as you know, better than me, your area has one of the lowest number of people who go to university and actually that, you know, raising that, but having people who go on to university to come back rather than just going to the big city is the big issue as well. >> to uni. yeah and never, never come back. we've got a lot of good apprenticeships now and i always say to people when i go into schools, look, think about an apprenticeship because you can earn, you can learn you're not going to get into debt and a lot of them offer that pathway to having that degree, which was otherwise unthinkable. guys, brilliant conversation. love to have you back on the show, bobby. i'm not sure about him there, but his mum will make sure i'm back bending my ear. but coming up next on the show, we've got steph peltier. she is, according to my notes here, a happiness activator. i don't know what that is, but we're going to find out

welcome back to the andersons real world. i've got to talk slow because i'm with steph peltier . she's with me. she's peltier. she's with me. she's a french lady. been here? what, 20 odd years? >> 20 odd years. that's right. >> 20 odd years. that's right. >> you started life back in a place called cans in france . place called cans in france. >> i was born in cannes. indeed? yes, yes. where? the sun always shines. >> okay. not shining here, though, today, is it, steph ? though, today, is it, steph? >> i didn't come here for the weather. >> but you are a happiness activator there. that's correct. for the people viewing at home. and for me , it has got no idea and for me, it has got no idea what a happiness activator is . what a happiness activator is. tell me all about it. >> well, i studied the science of happiness. >> well, i studied the science of happiness . yeah, a very of happiness. yeah, a very scientific and very pragmatic approach to how people feel better on a daily basis. yeah, it's quite cutting edge. it's quite new stuff. and as i said, it's very, very practical. yeah. and one of my clients one day told me, steph, you've given me superpowers. you're the you're

the happiness activator. and i just kept that word. so yeah, i studied the science of happiness. and the reason why i did that, is because now i say it's a blessing in disguise. back in the day, i'm a little bump in my personal life, so i walk around most of the time with a miserable expression on my face. >> i think it's hereditary, my dad will be watching this now. he's got a miserable expression on his face, and i think it sort of runs through my family. how do you make somebody like me smile more ? smile more? >> smiling is a choice. yeah. using your zygomatic muscle. you know, if you use your zygomatic muscle. that was zygomatic. the muscles that you know, you use to smile. okay? there was a piece of , study. research that piece of, study. research that was done at harvard ages ago. they asked students to rate the degree of humour of a cartoon. right. they watched a cartoon. is it? how funny is it? and there are some students to hold a pen like that in their mouth . a pen like that in their mouth. and another group to hold the pen like that . one group found

pen like that. one group found the cartoon significantly more funny than the other one. which group do you think ? group do you think? >> probably that one. >> probably that one. >> yeah, because they were using their muscles . so now there's their muscles. so now there's plenty of research that shows that when you use these muscles, regardless of whether you feel an emotion associated with, you know, the smile, happiness and joy know, the smile, happiness and joy and laughter, humour, whatever it is, your perception of what it is that you're seeing in life is much more positive . in life is much more positive. >> so if you're down in the dumps or if anyone out there is down in the dumps, what would be your go to thing to make you happy? to make you smile? >> okay, so don't force the smile if you feel absolutely rubbish , right? it's not going rubbish, right? it's not going to change anything, happiness is. there's a big misconception with this happiness business. a lot of people tend to think that it's a goal post, and i'm sure you've fallen in that trap. or at least you know people who have fallen in that trap. i'll be happy when? yeah, i'll be happy when i get married, when i get kids, when i get a new job,

when, you know, i reach this target. and then happiness is a goalpost that keeps on moving away, right? while happiness, in fact , is how you perceive the fact, is how you perceive the world and how you respond to it. and that very much depends on the quality of your of your thoughts , how you perceive and thoughts, how you perceive and how you respond, and happiness is like health. it's not something that you have. you got it. you touch it and you've got it. you touch it and you've got it for the rest of your life. no no no no no. it's like a leaky tire that you need to pump up every day. okay like health, you know, for your health. you drink water, you eat good, nutritious foods. i'm hoping that you exercise . exercise. >> well. not really. i mean, i'm sensing stuff for quite a bit of happiness coming off of you today. there's not much happiness coming off me because i think sometimes, depending on what sort of job you do, it's all well and good saying you've got to be happy, you can smile, you can be a lot better. but sometimes people are in, in in situations, whether it's their their personal life, whether it's their a lack of a social life, their job, whatever can put people in like a permanent state of being unhappy. >> so you know, what took me to

the science of happiness was that being stuck in bed with depression for three months and really not seeing a way out of it, and i thought, i can pop in pills. i'm not feeling any better. i need to find the formula. and that's when i. that's why i decided to study the science of happiness and in this science, you understand the mechanisms of what happens in your brain and in your body, but also they give you very tangible little things you can do on a daily basis, little techniques . daily basis, little techniques. and when you apply them, it really lifts your emotion. >> give me a single technique to put a smile on my face stuff, the brain processes imagination and reality in a very similar manner. >> it thinks it believes everything you tell it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> take a little, a piece of paper and a pen and write down something that makes you super excited. okay, so it could be your next holiday and describe it. or just sit and daydream it

it. orjust sit and daydream it in your head. the brain is going to start releasing chemicals as if you were actually living the experience . experience. >> s i'll tell you what will make me happy is if nottingham forest went on sunday against manchester city at home and get three points and avoid relegation, i'll be smiling all next week, but we've got a special guest in the studio , special guest in the studio, steph, who when you mentioned that you was in bed for three months, i saw a bit of a scowl on his face. he's a bit of a workhorse. he's a grafter . on his face. he's a bit of a workhorse. he's a grafter. he's a multimillionaire businessman. charlie mullins , come back in charlie mullins, come back in the building, please, because we're going to have a go at on the pool. and, what do you think to that, charlie in bed for three months with depression and she sort of pulled herself out of that depressive cycle and, you know, now she's coaching happiness and motivating. i mean, it's, i've it's a great thing to do for people. >> i would imagine , yeah, i'll >> i would imagine, yeah, i'll be happy to do it with you. >> and, you know, when you said . >> and, you know, when you said. earlier on because i was there and i heard that everything is not going to be given to you in

a plate handed to you. you're going to wake up in the morning, get out there and do things. yeah, right. it's exactly the same stuff for happiness. you've got to do little things for yourself in order to nurture yourself in order to nurture your emotional well—being. yeah, in order to feel good. >> i agree, because that's all. this is a clip doing the rounds on social media where this american soldier is like a general or whatever it is, he says. general or whatever it is, he says . the first thing you need says. the first thing you need to do in the morning is get up and make your bed, and then do something. yeah, absolutely. >> oh, it was a great, great, great talk. yeah, yeah. so it. right. >> we've got some piint pots here charlie and steph we're going to pull a pint, i'm loving listen, it's not as easy as it looks. >> and if i'm smiling at the end of this, you've done your job. so steph you can use that pump there. you've got 30s to pull apart. and then charlie's going to have a go . and do you want to to have a go. and do you want to put a straw in your mouth while you do it. >> oh yeah. to be super happy. >> oh yeah. to be super happy. >> yeah. happy. that's it. that's even better. let's have a look then. go good action there. have you done this before? never >> i've never worked in the bar.

>> i've never worked in the bar. >> i've never worked in the bar. >> i drank many of those, but i've never brought money. >> it looks pretty good. >> it looks pretty good. >> so it's just slowing up as you get to the top there. and then once you've done it, plonk it on the bar and then that's one pint there, charlie, if you can use the middle one, and see if you can beat that . if you can beat that. >> i won't beat that, that's for sure. >> oh dear . >> oh dear. >> oh dear. >> this is, it's much quicker , >> this is, it's much quicker, and much quicker dispersal. >> oh, plumber to drain it down. look i'm, i'm not sure you can dnnk look i'm, i'm not sure you can drink it, though. >> well , it's drink it, though. >> well, it's bigger than me. >> well, it's bigger than me. >> you need the straw. >> you need the straw. >> that on the bar? what do you think of that, steph? >> what do you mean? is it made you smile? >> yeah. because if you love foam. this is amazing. >> yeah. because if you love foam. this is amazing . yeah, foam. this is amazing. yeah, it's just a matter of perception. well, if you love foam is great. >> i'm a plumber, so just let all the small round drain it down. >> so, john, you've got a mock steph out of temper. >> i think it's pretty good. that is. and she's smiling. yeah >> i'm terribly i'd say nine out of ten is it. >> that's a good score steph i'm looking at charlie's. you're laughing at me, aren't you ?

laughing at me, aren't you? >> i want to make you smile. >> i want to make you smile. >> i'm smiling, but i'm smiling more in your head than when you give me more points. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> would you get a full 6 or £7 for that in london? >> say it again. sorry, in english. what do you get? a full 6 or £7 in london? prices for that pint is pulled there for this one. >> yeah. i'll not complain for sure. no >> with the smile and the official complaint. >> with the smile. >> with the smile. >> with the smile. >> you're not. >> you're not. >> you're not happy about that out of ten, what would that get from you? this one? >> no. this one, this one. oh i would give it, for the resort. >> i would give it a six out of ten in terms of proportion for the efforts, the atmosphere, the action. i give him the ten out of ten, charlie. >> that's great. lovely. thank you. steph you made me smile. >> lovely to meet you. >> lovely to meet you. >> that's on the pool with these guys. thanks for joining the andersons. real world wrestling cracking guests on the show this week, especially charlie and steph. they made me smile. i'd be smiling all weekend. but coming up next, we've got friday night live with mark dolan. mark, what's occurring ? mark, what's occurring? >> well, lee, what a brilliant show. we pick up the baton in

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