a simple question what should happen next? and the labour party have made an announcement about a new policy , this time about a new policy, this time about a new policy, this time about the trends they want to bring. the train companies essentially into public ownership. are they on the right track with this or not? do you see what i did there? and get this everyone the place where more people identify as english than anywhere else in the uk is actually in wales. yes, you heard that right. so let's explore national identity, shall we? what's yours? and if you are a benefit claimant , should the a benefit claimant, should the government be able to access your bank account to make sure that you are not pulling a fast one?is that you are not pulling a fast one? is that overreach or common sense is . one? is that overreach or common sense is. i've one? is that overreach or common sense is . i've got all that to sense is. i've got all that to come and more. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for

tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle. thank you. and as you've just been hearing, tensions are high in edinburgh this evening with the scottish greens planning to vote against first minister humza yousaf in a vote of no confidence . it's vote of no confidence. it's after the snps power sharing deal with the greens collapsed this morning, leaving mr yousaf in charge of a minority government. losing the vote wouldn't automatically spell the end for mr yousaf, but it would throw serious doubt over his ability to govern. the no confidence motion was proposed by scottish conservative leader douglas ross, who branded the snp leader weak and a failed first minister. moroccan asylum seeker ahmed alade has been convicted of murdering terrence carney , who was 17 years old, carney, who was 17 years old, and stabbed the pensioner six times in hartlepool in what was intended as revenge for the israel—hamas conflict. gb news reporter anna reilly has more. a

jury reporter anna reilly has more. a jury at teesside crown court has found that 45 year old moroccan asylum seeker ahmed al fayed is guilty of the murder of terrence carney, a 70 year old pensioner who was fatally stabbed in hartlepool centre on the 15th of october after eight days on from when hamas attacked israel. the jury when hamas attacked israel. the jury also found that al—ahd was guilty for the attempted murder of his housemate javid nouri, who he lived with in home office accommodation for asylum seekers in hartlepool, and that this attack was motivated because his housemate had converted from islam to christianity. he will be sentenced here at teesside crown court on the 17th of may. a court in new york has overturned harvey weinstein's 2020 conviction for sex crimes . 2020 conviction for sex crimes. it's a stunning development for the former top hollywood producer , whose crimes sparked producer, whose crimes sparked what became known as the metoo

movement . what became known as the metoo movement. manhattan's what became known as the metoo movement . manhattan's district movement. manhattan's district attorney will now decide whether to seek a retrial. there's little chance of him being released , though. he's also released, though. he's also serving 16 years for the rape of a woman in a beverly hills hotel . donald trump says that us presidents must be immune from the threat of prosecution. it comes as his hush money case continues today in a separate case, the us supreme court is heanng case, the us supreme court is hearing arguments for why he should be immune from charges related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election. mr trump spoke outside court earlier this morning. >> my constitutional rights have been taken away from me, but every single expert, every legal scholar, every respected scholar has said this is no case. there is no case here. the argument on immunity is very important. the president has to have immunity. this has nothing to do with me. this has nothing to do with me. this has nothing to do with me. this has to do with a president in the future. for a hundred years from now, if you don't have immunity, you're not going

to do anything. you're going to become a ceremony president. you're just going to be doing nothing. you're not going to take any of the risks, both good and bad . and bad. >> the government says more people should be using britain's trains. despite widespread dissatisfaction with services, labouris dissatisfaction with services, labour is promising to establish a publicly owned network led by rail industry experts , ensuring rail industry experts, ensuring efficient and accountable services without burdening taxpayers. the government commissioned an independent review into railways in 2018, but little has changed since then. transport secretary mark harper says the network is still recovering from covid lockdowns. >> big the big thing we're still having to deal with is the impact of the pandemic. the rail industry at the moment is financially not sustainable. at the moment, the only route to solving that is to use the private sector innovation , the private sector innovation, the stuff they demonstrated they could deliver when we privatised them, when they doubled passenger numbers. we've got to get more people using railways.

that's the only way they become financially sustainable. there's nothing in labour's plans that's going to deliver that . quite the reverse. >> what the system of grading schools with one word judgements should stay . that's according to should stay. that's according to the department of education. the government says grades such as outstanding or inadequate provide significant benefits and give parents a succinct summary of schools. the grading system came under scrutiny following the death of headteacher ruth perry, who took her own life after a report downgraded her school. her sister , julie school. her sister, julie walters, says the government's response is woefully inadequate and the famous red windmill on top of the moulin rouge in paris plummeted to the ground overnight. early visitors were stunned this morning to find the landmark broken into pieces on the street. the theatre is currently investigating the case, though it's not believed to be deliberate. since opening in 1889, it's become one of the most popular destinations in

paris, inspiring the 2001 film and a stage musical currently playing in london. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back to . michelle. >> thanks for that. tatiana and michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, my panel, the director of the popular conservatives, mark littlewood and the director of the charity world. right, kerry dingle , good evening to both of dingle, good evening to both of you, i was just about to say we're all wearing our glasses with pride tonight. we're just taking yours off. mark yeah. ruined it for me. >> i'm sorry about that. we're about to be. you want me to put them back on? >> we're about to be the role models for the, for those folk with bad eyesight. but you've ruined it. there you go. we've all been suspect savers or the glasses. shops, of course, are available. what's on your mind

tonight? everybody at home. because it's not just about us three. here. it is about you. there's lots going on, lots to discuss. you can get in touch with me. all the usual ways, of course. you can email me or tweet or text me, or you can go on the website and talk to me there. as some of you have already started doing. so. you're a lovely bunch, aren't you, you can get in touch. as i said, your views are very, very welcome tonight, but of course, never a dull day when it comes to politics. and it's all going on over in scotland. long, long story short, the government there is pretty much imploded . there is pretty much imploded. let's not waste any more time. let's not waste any more time. let's cross live to scotland , to let's cross live to scotland, to talk to our scottish reporter tony maguire . good evening. the tony maguire. good evening. the sun's looks very nice where you are. it's certainly not that sunny here, i can tell you, but, anyway, for anyone that's not been following the twists and turns of today, can you bring us up to speed ? up to speed? >> sure thing. michelle. i mean, how long do you have really ? how long do you have really? that's the key question here. everything really kicked off around half eight this morning when an emergency cabinet meeting led to the end of the

bute house agreement that has beenin bute house agreement that has been in place since 2021. and it's essentially a coalition government between the scottish greens and the scottish national party . well, that came to an end party. well, that came to an end this morning in what many people are saying is has very much a kind of energy of what i'm going to dump you before you dump me, because certainly the scottish greens, well, they were already in talks as to whether this agreement would come to the end. but nevertheless, the snp marched into this afternoon with a minority government and then at qus , where the opposition at qus, where the opposition parties get to pose their burning questions to the first minister. of course, there was only one topic on the agenda today, and that essentially was headuned today, and that essentially was headlined by douglas ross, the scottish conservative leader, calling a vote of no confidence, and humza yousaf. well, that seemed to come as a bit of a shock for the first minister, and certainly with 31 msps, the scottish conservatives have the votes to make sure that that goes through as a vote in

parliament next week. then over the course of this afternoon , the course of this afternoon, we've seen the other parties come out. we've seen the scottish liberal democrats say that they too have lost faith in humza yousaf and of scottish laboun humza yousaf and of scottish labour. anas sarwar making a video saying scottish labour will likely be voting with the scottish conservatives and this vote of no confidence. so who does that leave us with? well, the scottish greens, who within the scottish greens, who within the last hour held a press conference here at holyrood to say that there are formal stablemates. well, they're going to be voting with the conservatives because they have lost faith in humza yousaf. that leaves one one msp, with the 64 msps voting with no confidence for the first minister. and that one msp is ash regan, former snp minister herself. she stepped down during the gender recognition reform debate and now she was essentially going to be the kingmaker in this

scenario. so a lot happening here, and hopefully just came in under time. >> yeah, honestly couldn't , make >> yeah, honestly couldn't, make some of this stuff up, could you? but no, you're very good. your timing was spot on. that's tony mcguire. i'll leave you to go. enjoy the last rays of the sunshine. i mean, i thought it was quite interesting there where he said, humza yousaf was very surprised when he heard about this. no confidence vote. i don't know who he talks to, but i talk to people on a daily bafis but i talk to people on a daily basis and i absolutely was not surprised when i heard that. i was actually quite surprised that it hadn't happened sooner. and that whole kind of diet, the whole kind of, dynamic about who actually wanted to break up with who . what do you think's been who. what do you think's been going on here? well, look , in my going on here? well, look, in my view, the scottish national party in part, but only in parts because they were with the green party, had a completely crazy environmental policy which has now crashed against reality. >> and they have had to drop

that policy wisely. they should never have embarked on that in the first place. >> they wanted to cut the carbon emissions by 75% by 2030, and they said that they're not going to meet last week. they said that they're not going to meet, that they're not going to meet, that they're not going to meet, that they can't possibly meet it, this has riled the scottish greens, who have therefore pulled out of the government. fair enough. the scottish green party is there to believe in these sort of fantasies. so they're out now . it goes to the they're out now. it goes to the maths, which tony mcguire explained pretty well that if you were to add together the snp and this one mp from the alba party , alex salmonds breakaway, party, alex salmonds breakaway, it's 6464. however, i think i wouldn't be surprised if some of the snp msps themselves want to get rid of yousaf as well. so i suspect as a gambling man he's out next week one way or another. now that doesn't mean like we have in the uk parliament. it's not like a vote of confidence in the uk parliament in westminster that does not trigger an election

here in the westminster parliament. if you vote against the government and they lose your confidence, that's it. general election immediately happens. no, no, no, there'll be 28 days to try and form a new government and only if that fails will there be new holyrood elections. so i suspect , fails will there be new holyrood elections. so i suspect, and my guess would be yousaf will probably go . the best he can probably go. the best he can hope for is a draw, with the presiding officer then voting for him. more likely he goes and then the snp need to work out how on earth they can put together a governing coalition again. >> just quickly before i bring kerry in. i mean, even if he loses this vote next week, it's not technically binding . so not technically binding. so i guess technically speaking, he could turn around and say , okay, could turn around and say, okay, you lot don't want me, but i believe in myself and i'm going to persevere. do you think ? to persevere. do you think? >> is that right? is it not your constitutional knowledge is better than mine. i think if he loses a vote of confidence, he's got to go. i thought that was the rule. oh, it would certainly be force majeure.

>> i shall get someone to check that. but i didn't think he had to go. >> actually, what's mad here is the vote is about confidence in the vote is about confidence in the first minister. it should be about the scottish government as about the scottish government as a whole. so you either take down that entire government . this that entire government. this would be crazy. it would be mad in westminster to have a motion on rishi sunak as prime minister you've either got to take down the government or support the government . there's never a dull government. there's never a dull moment written here. well, we're already confused about them. right, michelle? >> there is never a dull moment. and yeah, confusion strikes. i shall get clarity. worry not, kerry, your thoughts on it all? >> well, i just say good riddance to a coalition of cranks. really? i think they've behaved so autocratically, you know, so rigged . gardless of the know, so rigged. gardless of the interests of scottish citizens. hang on. >> because. yeah, because i was gonna say people might be sitting at home going, what does that word mean? what do you mean? >> an autocrat is someone who acts as a small concentration of power regardless of everyone else's interests. that's the sort of nub of autocracy, and i

think that's what they've been like as a sort of small group of technocratic politicians and civil servants supported by ngos. and, as mark said, horrific on the green politics, which it wasn't just the greens, it was the snp and supported by labourin it was the snp and supported by labour in terms of screwing up oil and gas . labour in terms of screwing up oil and gas. in scotland, we've had the gender recognition act . had the gender recognition act. nobody voted in anybody to support that . and then a trans support that. and then a trans rapist in a women's prison. we've had the scottish hate crime bill criminalising people for what they might say over, over dinner when they've had a few shocking and so authoritarian . i just wish that authoritarian. i just wish that this did trigger an election, and i'm not sure it will, but i think what the snp have done in terms of dumping their green association is desperately know and try and claw back a little

bit of scottish support because i think they know that people are had have had enough. yeah i was going to say i talked to you guys, every day and i listened to what you have to say and i won't repeat some of the, criticisms that, humza comes into, from some of you , but into, from some of you, but they're not very polite. >> so i'm on i'm on a mission today, and i'm going to look right now as i'm speaking to you. is anybody out there rooting for him? because one of the things that he's actually arguing at the snp are very fragmented at the moment, aren't they, and they're very kind of disjointed. he's saying, if you believe this anyway, that actually he made this decision , actually he made this decision, about this coalition because he's putting his parties interests first. he thinks that this will be almost like a rallying cry to strengthen the snp . is there anyone out there snp. is there anyone out there watching in and around scotland that agrees with that sentiment or not? do you agree with that

sentiment, that actually something that could come out of this is a much more united snp? >> no, because i think the problem was this. i completely agree with what kerry was just saying. look, you've got to understand the snp basically exists for one key purpose, which is to split scotland from the united kingdom , and they the united kingdom, and they have failed in that endeavour and therefore they have gone down a million different bizarre rabbit holes like the gender recognition act, bizarre climate policy and the rest of it, the rough equivalent for us in england would be, i don't know if the brexit party or ukip had won an election outright, but couldn't get britain out of the european union and then started to pursue other strange policies. and that's exactly what the snp's done. so if the snp can't trigger a second referendum or the departure of scotland from the united kingdom, what's it for and what is it turned out to be for is a whole bizarre range of very woke

policies and an underlying pretty poor performance is not like educational standards of enormously risen in scotland compared to england. in fact, they've fallen behind . it's not they've fallen behind. it's not like average wages have risen in england. in scotland more than england, in fact, they've fallen behind. so on all of the bread and butter barometers the snp government has performed badly on all of this completely crazy stuff about reducing carbon emissions by that level by 2030, or putting men into women's prisons. it's become completely extraordinary as well. and they have failed in their principal objective of at least triggering a second referendum on the constitutional question. so pretty much fail, fail, fail. >> i'm searching really high. i was listening to you, mark, but i was also scouring the inbox. i was scouring the websites. i've not managed to find anyone yet that's backing him. >> one quick thing though, because i don't i don't disagree with you, mark. you know, it might be true that they're they're found in principle or

whatever is, you know, independence for scotland. but i think if you look at their record and look at them historically and remember, these are arch remainers as well, historically and remember, these are arch remainers as well , that are arch remainers as well, that they've always come from a political or philosophical outlook that supports behind closed doors politics. that is about like the eu keep the peep away from the people because they think they know what's best for people . and you see that for people. and you see that with these crazy acts that it is that idea of we know what's best for people. so actually and i've got no skin in the game in this. if brexit or ukip or some other minority party, you know , minority party, you know, against the eu had won an election in britain, i don't think they would have had that crazy rabbit hole, cranky approach because it wasn't a politics based on keep us away from the masses. we know better, which is what the snp and

scottish greens, really believe in, one of my views. steve says i live in scotland and it's about time the snp, both the snp and the greens got their just rewards. he says they've systematically destroyed scotland between both of them, he says. however, equally we should not trust labour in scotland either. so what does that mean then ? is it, the that mean then? is it, the scottish tories for you? is that the answer ? get in touch and let the answer? get in touch and let me know, gordon, you make an interesting point. you say, after the destruction of pretty much every single service in scotland and the billions wasted plus plus the failures in wales is it time for the blair lie? thatis is it time for the blair lie? that is devolution to be stopped and control returned to westminster , is it? westminster, is it? >> i don't think i'm actually quite a fan of devolution, even though we've done it in an astonishing way, at least you know whether you like the scottish government at the moment. and michel, you can't yet find a single viewer who

does. but it's their decision andifs does. but it's their decision and it's in their hands and, and i don't really want to pronounce to the scottish people from london. i like power being close to the people i agree with kerry open to the people as well, but we in the united kingdom are pretty much the most centralised bureaucracy and democracy in the western world. nearly 95% of all tax and spend decisions made by westminster. so give people power if they screw it up. >> change your government like i am on a one woman mission. i am determined to find you. i am sure there is one of you out there that is in scotland that does support, humza yousaf . does support, humza yousaf. yousef, where are you? get in touch with me. because so many people i can tell you now are getting in touch with me, and they absolutely do not back him, so i'm on a mission. tell me if you do. and also tell me why you do, after the break, i want to talk the labor party. they've said essentially that they will, they're not using this word, but nationalise. essentially, the

british train operators. what do you think to this? is this a step in the right direction or not? see you in two.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. i'm still searching. everyone are you in scotland? and you are massively rooting for humza yousaf? if you. if you are , please get in touch with are, please get in touch with me. i'm desperate to find your manumission till seven. alongside with the director of the popular conservatives, mark littlewood , and the director of littlewood, and the director of the charity world right, kerry dingle. i do like the name of your charity. i think it sounds very assertive , well, it's very assertive, well, it's actually right. as in write a letter. so it's not that assertive. maybe it sounds it. >> i like it, i like it, we were just talking about the ridiculous goings on in scotland. i can tell you. humza

yousaf doesn't have much support among you lot at home. i hate to break it to you as well. i was actually right. so if he loses his vote, he's not forced to resign so he could decide to ignore it. i don't think you ever remove him. well, because who's going to govern if they know that people haven't got confidence in them? it's not a good look, is it? >> what if he ignores the vote? i would think he would be of exactly the personality type to continue regardless. >> well, we shall see what will happen. derek said, michelle, what has it got to do with you lot? what goes on in scotland? we are a devolved country. we've got our own parliament. keep you babe out. my bib, my bib. >> i don't know what that means , >> i don't know what that means, i don't know, translate that into english. >> i hope that's not a rude thing. that i need to keep out of the business, derek, my friend, the clue is in the title. gb news. you know it. very much interested. not just in scotland, of course. we're interested in wales, northern ireland and england. we're all one happy family, aren't we? you

tell me , look, i want to talk to tell me, look, i want to talk to you about the labour party because they've unleashed a policy so many people say, well, what do the labour party stand for? what are their policies? well, today you found out about at least one of them because essentially they don't use the word nationalised, i've got to say. but what they're going to do is take the train operators, and they are going to bring them under public ownership within, like a new body that's going to be set up within the first parliamentary term. let's just have a little listen . have a little listen. >> huge sums continue to be wasted on management fees and shareholder dividends. and despite 30 years of privatisation, shockingly it is the taxpayer who still props up our failing railways to the tune of billions of pounds every year . that is why today i am setting out labour's plan to fix britain's railways. >> they go, apparently this is the biggest reform of our railways for a generation. do you back it? >> no, although i'm delighted and i expect to have quoted back

at her what we just heard there about the taxpayer props up the railway system was ever thus. if labour's policy was to end subsidies for railways, i would probably be in favour. subsidies for railways, i would probably be in favour . the truth probably be in favour. the truth of the matter is, michel, i was trying to look up the exact numbers before coming on air. i can't find them, but, basically, high earners use railways . high earners use railways. railways are the most subsidised part of our transport network, even when the railways are run by private hands. so if the labour party is saying no more taxpayer subsidies, great. sign me up. but that's not what they're saying. they actually think the state politicians and bureaucrats will be able to run this better than companies. i readily accept a good number of these companies have not run it well , but these companies have not run it well, but don't assume from that that politicians and bureaucrats can run it better. i'm old enough, sad to admit i remember the sad old days of british rail, where they sold coffee by the slice, and we will be going back to that. timetables will be worse, strikes will be worse .

worse, strikes will be worse. but if the taxpayer is no longer propping it up, which is what i think i've just heard from the labour party. three cheers for that. >> choose chair. those chairs carry , well, the figures are carry, well, the figures are last year the state subsidy to . last year the state subsidy to. the 14 rail companies was 12 billion. that's just 22 to 23. 12 billion in taxpayers money. that's over £420 per household, including those of us who never, never get a train north because rather go in a car. i mean, it's just completely insane. so i and i can't see how this is going. i share mark's view that it's not necessarily going to be run any better. why? why would it be? and i, being old, also remember the days of dog eared cardboard sandwiches and slop supposedly being coffee or tea , and it being coffee or tea, and it being coffee or tea, and it being absolutely the dirty,

smelly trains that you didn't want to be on, and i can't see why there is suddenly going to be an improvement because it's state run. i'm not against state run industries where they make sense , but i don't see how this sense, but i don't see how this why should this be some great vote winner? i don't know who is going to get excited by it. >> well, there's a lot of people that don't like people. well, not people, but organisations , not people, but organisations, regions, and the people that run them and the investors that have them and the investors that have the shares in them. a lot of people don't like people making money off essential services. if you like utilities , like loads you like utilities, like loads of people are getting in touch and saying to me now about water, charlotte says, i don't agree. sorry, i do agree with nationalising railways, but i think it's more important to nationalise water. so i think there's this whole sense of , why there's this whole sense of, why are organisations, especially onesin are organisations, especially ones in different countries as well, making money off our train

network? but actually when you look at things, one of the most profitable aspects of the railways are the leasing companies, like the rolling stock companies and the labour plan. it is still actually to lease those carriages from those organisations. now i don't imagine that those organisations are suddenly going to take a massive hit to their profits. so surely these profits are still going to be going out to these organisations in parts? well as we've just heard, it's nearly impossible to make a profit running railways . running railways. >> i mean, if you end the state subsidies, the railway lines in britain will close almost all of them. there's virtually no piece of track that is profitable. there'll be some there'll be some, but very, very, very little in today's modern world, moving people from a to b across a train track on rolling stock is just a hyper inefficient way to move people around. it's basically rich , middle class basically rich, middle class people like me. i don't own a car who are subsidised by the state. >> mind you don't own a car. >> mind you don't own a car.

>> i don't own a car. no. >> why? >> why? >> why? >> why would i need to own a car? i live, i live right next to clapham junction railway station. i travel within london when i don't travel within london, i'm usually going to an airport to to fly another city. why would i need a car? so thank you very much to the great british public and all of your viewers for subsidising my transport choice, but i don't think they should have to. >> i assume everyone's like me that absolutely needs a car, because the amount of junk . i'm because the amount of junk. i'm like a travelling circus with my kid, the amount of junk that i transport along with me. there's no way i could do without my car. but a lot of you guys at home, perhaps you'll have your rail cards. you're all saying a lot of people use the networks and they essentially the higher earners. but, you get the seniors among you. you will get a nice discount with a rail card anyway. one of the other things is that the labour party, said kerry, is that they are not going to close down ticket offices. and this was a big debate that was raging on, quite recently actually, about whether or not we do need all of these ticket offices. do you think we do? >> yeah, i do think we do need

the ticket offices, for sure. and i think that's a tragedy and that's for me, just a symptom of planned underinvestment yet again. so i can't see that we're having improvement. i know the trade unions are very much for the renationalisation of rail, but your viewers probably quite right. water is more important, which is just such a disaster area. thames water in particular, with all its sewage outpouring, but i, i think that that old left right divide doesn't really exist in the same old way. and what we all want is a decent service. and you're probably right, michel. people hate to find out that people are skimming and scamming off us because , you know, state because, you know, state subsidies are lining shareholders pockets . but i'm shareholders pockets. but i'm not even sure that that really happened. and labour isn't touching that because, as you say, they're not privatise ing the only profitable bits, well ,

the only profitable bits, well, baroness jacqueline foster, regular viewers will know she is often a panellist on this programme. >> she just sent me a message on twitter saying, if we were still in the eu , none of this would be in the eu, none of this would be permitted because railways across the eu have had to comply with the rail liberalisation regulations in brackets, the railway packages and can no longer be fully national. so is this essentially a brexit benefit? >> well, it might be a breakfast brexit benefit. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well i don't ever have breakfast on a train. it's disgusting. it may be a dis benefit, but i don't see why europe should set how we in britain run our railways. we might screw it up ourselves or make them brilliant ourselves, but there shouldn't be any eu railways legislation . then it railways legislation. then it should be up to each country to work out how to run their railways. and look the age old problem here. michelle. sorry to be an economics nerd, but that's what i am in all of these areas. the question is, can you bring in competition? because if you can, then markets work. we used to have a single nationalised

air, you know, airline, british airways . now we've got a whole airways. now we've got a whole multitude of them. you might like some and you might not like others but they compete. same with supermarkets. they compete a bit harder to get competition into the rail sector, because usually people are only using one line, you know, i want to get from clapham junction to victoria every day. there's not a whole plethora of different services , much harder. with services, much harder. with water, you don't tend to switch off your water supply and get it from somewhere else. but the aim here is to get proper competition into these things that look like natural monopolies, in order to get all of the benefits of the market and to get away from politicians running things. there's no example, in my view, of politicians running a major industry successfully . and my industry successfully. and my first piece of evidence is the national health service , do you national health service, do you agree with that also as well? the, labour was saying that they're going to have a best price guarantee essentially, so you can always get your tickets for the cheapest price. but i'm

really tight. so i buy split ticketing now. so i instead of buying from a to b i will buy sorry from a to d i will buy a to b, b to c, c sorry from a to d i will buy a tob,btoc,cto d, sorry from a to d i will buy a to b, b to c, c to d, whatever. so i'm interested to see whether or not this best price guarantee will actually match those split tickets prices or not, lots of people are getting in touch actually, and saying, that i mean, i would say, actually, you're pretty split , richard you're pretty split, richard does say, though, that this is the only labour party policy that i agree with. he says that rishi sunak should pinch it and it may save his bacon. well, actually, there was a report, done a few years ago now, actually, and even down to the title, that great, british railway, that was some of the recommendations in this report. but the tories never actually , but the tories never actually, followed up with it. and some people say, carrie, that's because, rishi sunak is just not really that interested in the train because he don't really use them. >> well, may or may not be, but i don't think we've seen a huge amount of evidence of rishi sunak or the conservatives

solving a lot of our infrastructure problems. i mean, look at the mismanagement around the whole hs2 thing. talk about wasting billions in failed rail. you know, i haven't got much faith whether he uses a train or not. and i'm not sure that keir starmer spends his time on a lot of trains. i have no idea. but i think this is an attempt by labour to, you know , be, you labour to, you know, be, you know, win more support in the absence of any other policies. to be honest , absence of any other policies. to be honest, brian absence of any other policies. to be honest , brian says, get to be honest, brian says, get rid of the unions and the privates, get rid of the unions, and then the private sector could make it work, he says. >> otherwise, if we go backwards under labour, we will be back to chaos. do you agree with that or not, after the break, i want to talk to you. where do you identify ? do you identify, for identify? do you identify, for example, as being english? let me tell you now , in the uk, the me tell you now, in the uk, the place where the highest percentage of people do identify as english is not even in england. see, you in two.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm with you . excuse me. and and i'm with you. excuse me. and with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got my panel. the director of the popular conservatives, mark littlewood and the director of the charity world rights, kerry dingle , world rights, kerry dingle, still on my mission to find, humza yousaf supporter. margaret's been in touch and said , i've found the supporter, said, i've found the supporter, but it's his mummy. she says it's not quite not quite what i'm seeking , it's not quite not quite what i'm seeking, margaret, i've got to say, who's this as well? mary says your female guests talked about dirty , smelly trench said, about dirty, smelly trench said, i don't remember ever travelling on a dirty, smelly train, she says my husband worked for 50 years on the railway, though, and the moment it was all privatised , the whole network privatised, the whole network change. and she says, by the way, there is no railway in the

world that can successfully exist without subsidies. is that fair? get in touch and tell me your thoughts. but get this right. the area in the uk with the highest percentage of people who identify solely as being english. do you know where it is? did you guess during the break? it's actually in wales, i find this quite interesting actually. mark, 14% of people living in england apparently identify as english only. what do you think to these stats? i mean, the place in in wales nearly 40% britain. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> broughton and saltney, 38.9% of residents do identify as engush of residents do identify as english only. there. that was the highest place. your thoughts on this ? on this? >> yeah, but i actually sometimes wonder whether it's not that surprising. it's because i'm presuming i've never been to broughton and saltney. i'm sure that folk there are wonderful, but i sometimes wonderful, but i sometimes wonder when if you're not in the heart of england, you actually feel more english. certainly i

feel more english. certainly i feel more english when i'm abroad, actually. yeah, you do. and you know, i go on holiday to europe quite a lot. and certainly if you meet another engush certainly if you meet another english person, you build up an immediate rapport quite quickly, more so than i do at paddington station, around the corner full of english people. so you recognise and notice your engush recognise and notice your english more when there are fewer of you. i must admit, i don't quite get the english only thing i would describe myself as engush thing i would describe myself as english and british, but i also identify quite strongly with a region of the united kingdom. and i think you can have multi—layered identities. i'm not quite sure what english only means. yeah, i would identify primarily as yorkshire. >> like i'm a yorkshire gal that for me, and i feel quite passionately connected to that identity, what about you, kerry? >> well, i don't it's really weird. i don't know if it's just being involved in a sort of more internationalist politics for so many. you don't. what? i don't identify with a region, and i don't identify as english. i

would i do say to myself , as would i do say to myself, as british, i refer to myself as british. and i wonder if that's because of a political thing too, whereas i because i want to support the union with scotland. so that's how i think. but but i am proud to be british in that i'm proud of the british people. i'm proud of the british people. i'm not a king and country person. well, i loathe the miserablist green king anyway, but i'm very proud of the british people for oh, i can hear people shouting at you already. yes, they will be, how can you supporting ukraine? i'm very proud that there's plenty of people in britain who take the side of israel against hamas. and that's my internationalism. and that's what i'm proud of. british people for, reflecting in what they do. >> how can you love the king? >> how can you love the king? >> i've always i wish him well with his cancer. i've always loathed charles. he exemplifies a miserablist green politics is

part of an anti—democratic institution . what's to love? institution. what's to love? >> well, did you love the queen? >> well, did you love the queen? >> i had a lot of time for the queen in terms of her belief in service , and so i would service, and so i would absolutely side with the queen in relation to that. but i'm a i'm not a monarchist, are you, mark? >> i flip and chop and change about this. i actually don't think it's particularly important one way or the other. i think actually one thing i like about the monarchy is it stops politicians having the power of being the head of state, which would be absolutely appalling . but on the identity appalling. but on the identity thing, again, like so you've just said, michelle, what's more important to you, yorkshire or england ? england? >> you're well yorkshire. >> you're well yorkshire. >> yeah . so i would say i'm >> yeah. so i would say i'm a southerner. first england, second, british. >> british third. >> british third. >> and this is a real cause to me. i am very, very, very proud northerner. yeah. and so you got yorkshire northerner, england, britain , european human race, britain, european human race, that kind of order.

>> six layers of identity. yeah, i go southampton , southerner, i go southampton, southerner, england, britain, europe and the western world. >> what's what's your what's your order again? kerry. >> probably internationalist. british west country support farmers . farmers. >> so you're like english is like number nine or something, right? >> england is nowhere. you're like completely tipped the opposite direction then. >> yeah. why? >> yeah. why? >> well it's a product of your upbringing, your politics, your belief minds in humanism and universal values. i don't think you're that removed , but what you're that removed, but what you're that removed, but what you identify with and my. you know, i'm married to a northerner who's very northern, and you . and you. >> oh, i like you again now. >> oh, i like you again now. >> and i have to take the mickey a lot of the time. >> well, i identify as being someone who's been told about five times she's got to go to the break. and i was ignoring it because i was enjoying that conversation. but i'll identify now as someone that listens. so i'll see you in two. and when i

come back, i want to talk to you about whether or not you think the government should have access to your bank account. if you claim

hi there. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. mark littlewood and kerry dingle remain. i'm just still trying to work out , the telling off that work out, the telling off that i got at the start of the programme from derek , the one programme from derek, the one that was saying. what's it got to do with you? what goes on in scotland telling me to keep my bebb out? i still haven't quite managed to work out what i'm keeping out. what's my bear? is it? one suggestion? was that your nose? the other one was your nose? the other one was your mouth. i've never even heard of it. tell me what, i've got to keep out, please. because i'm absolutely intrigued now, anyway, we had a really interesting conversation in the break about our identity. please do tell me how you identify and why. because i find that bit really interesting one as well. but look, the data protection and digital information bill,

could compel banks and building societies to give the department for works and pensions data when it comes to your bank account. this is all, in the pursuit of trying to identify fraud and error in the benefit system . error in the benefit system. concerns have been raised about this. mark, where are you on it? >> this is absolutely horrific, michelle. well done for pronouncing the data protection act and digital information bill sounds dull as dishwater, doesn't it? and most of it is, except they have slotted in this clause in order to basically get the banks to do the state's job of looking for welfare fraud without any evidence against you.so without any evidence against you. so we're not talking about someone where we've identified you think i've been wrongly claiming child benefit because i've just admitted on gb news i have no children and then you start investigating me because you've got a case. this is a phishing expedition against people who retain who get welfare benefits. and i really hope i'm delighted to see that a couple of conservative mps have

already spoken up against it marcus fysh and charles walker. i'm trying to get more to speak up against it, and i hope the labour party will oppose it. the conservatives will think anything that clamps down on welfare fraud sounds like a good thing for me. no no no no no. if this goes through the banks will be looking into your tax affairs next. and your private relationship with your bank will be handed over to the government, even if there is not a scintilla of evidence that you have done anything wrong, that's unconscionable. >> are you concerned about this at home? tell me, kerry, are you. >> i'm. i find it terrifying. i think, you know, we already saw what happened with nigel farage and coots . we saw what happened and coots. we saw what happened to the canadian truckers with gofundme and later paypal. you know these. it's already the case. there is no need for extra law that if the police want and the dwp go to the police with a suspicious activity , the banks suspicious activity, the banks are obliged to enforce what's called an sa suspicious activity

report and they can freeze and hold your money. there's no need for new law. it's already draconian just on the basis of suspicion. a friend of mine running a charity was getting a big donation from america that caused a red flag . it was caused a red flag. it was upheld. their bank was account was frozen under a sa. and you don't even have the right to know why it's happening. that's how draconian and scary this stuff is. >> but kerry, this is even worse, right? >> at least there there was the suspicion. >> this is without suspicion. >> this is without suspicion. >> not only does this and this isn't just and so it's got nothing to do with cracking down on benefit fraud, because they can already do that and sequester your account and your all your details. they don't have a problem with doing that. this is a snooper's charter. and it means the politics gets into banking and banking gets into more ability to say what they want to do. according to what we think. >> well, i can tell you now, some of my viewers disagree with you. bruce says, yes, the

government absolutely should have access to benefit claimants bank accounts. there is a lot of people out there working and not paying people out there working and not paying their taxes. that is very easy to spot , he says. with easy to spot, he says. with internet banking payments hidden internet banking payments hidden in their accounts, cliff says if there's anyone legitimately claiming benefits, there should be more than happy to have their bank account looked at. as ever, it is the criminals that will protest. what do you think to that? >> i hate all of this. you've got nothing to fear, nothing to fear, nothing to hide, nothing to fear. sort of argument. i mean, on this basis, why not just look into everybody's bank account? let's just put it all in the public domain and get the banks to pay for it. and let's see if the police think any of us have done anything wrong. privacy is an important feature of society, and handing over all this data to government on a fishing expedition without any suspicion that this person next door has broken the benefit rules, or is dodging tax without suspicion. and here's a number

to conjure with michelle that your viewers might be interested in. we spend £17 billion a year on policing in this country from the taxpayer . how much money do the taxpayer. how much money do you think is now forcibly paid by banks on money laundering protection? 34 billion. twice the amount. and this is another part of that riveting stuff. >> ron says tonight's been the best show for ages. he says he's enjoyed the panellists, and the presenter. thank you for watching, ron. and i've got to the. i've got to the bottom of the. i've got to the bottom of the beeb. when the viewer told me to keep my beb out, turns out it was a typo. that's why we couldn't figure it out. apparently the fella meant neb, he's confirmed to me it's scottish slang for nerys, but then he does clarify. he says nothing personal. michelle, i think your nose is quite cute, thank you very much. and i'm glad that we cleared that up. or else i'd be thinking about it all night long. but for now, thank you very much for your company. and thank you at home for yours too. do not go anywhere though, because nigel farage is up next. no night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt

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southwest into the afternoon. elsewhere, the showers across the far north and east will become more widespread, feeding inland , so a greater chance that inland, so a greater chance that many of us will catch one into the afternoon temperatures staying a little bit on the low side. not feeling too bad in the sunshine, otherwise a bit cool for the time of year into saturday and there will be some showery rain feeding its way northwards across parts of england and wales. could be a little bit heavy at times. also a scattering of showers for northern and western parts of scotland and northern ireland, but in between these two areas staying largely dry . there may staying largely dry. there may even be some sunshine at times. sunday brings some heavy , sunday brings some heavy, persistent rain to some eastern southeastern parts, but temperatures are gradually climbing. bye bye. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. as a moroccan asylum seeker is convicted of murder, i asked the question. why does nobody want to talk about these things? labour. plaid to renationalise the railways. they put out a big, bold statement today. the funny thing is, 70% of the public at this moment in time seem to agree with them. and on talking pines, i'm joined by tim shipman. tim, who is political editor of the sunday times, author of many political books. i'll ask him how the conservative party recovered from brexit or have they? but before all of that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . the news with tatiana sanchez. >> nigel. thank you. the top stories this evening. tensions are high in edinburgh this evening with the scottish greens planning to vote against first minister humza yousaf in a vote of no confidence . it's after the of no confidence. it's after the snps power sharing deal with the

greens collapsed this morning, leaving mr yousaf in