>> scottish government collapsed . humza yousafs power sharing agreement has fallen apart, leaving the snp limping on alone. the first minister says the move is an act of leadership. the scottish greens say it's political cowardice. >> full steam ahead. labour say they'll renationalise the railways if they get into power. but do you trust keir starmer to run the trains on time , and run the trains on time, and should the army still be using horses .7 horses? >> we'll debate this as two household cavalry horses remain in a serious condition after they bolted through central london yesterday, and england is apparently the worst in the world for underage drinking . world for underage drinking. >> that's according to a new study from the world health organisation. but just what is it actually measuring? and how seriously should we be taking these findings? >> and good news if you're a fan

of the rwanda deportation plan, because the rwanda bill has finally become the rwanda act, yes. >> no longer are we allowed to say the rwanda bill, because as of the last half an hour or so, the king has signed it into law . the king has signed it into law. there he is with his famous red box and the official process of royal assent has taking place , royal assent has taking place, meaning that now it is the rwanda act. yes. and no excuse now for the government not to get those flights off the tarmac , or will there be more legal challenges? >> will there be more difficulties to get these flights off? we'll be bringing you all the latest on that and everything else today. so please do get in touch. gbnews.com/yoursay i want your views on humza yousaf. what does this mean for the snp? is this worse for the greens? is this worse for the greens? is this worse for the snp and humza yousafs future? yes, first minister, will he be able to crucially be able to pass any legislation at all if he can't get the votes for a budget, and

there's no reason the greens will have to vote for a budget now , there's no reason the lib now, there's no reason the lib dems would. >> why would the labour party, why would the conservative party, if he can't pass legislation , does that then mean legislation, does that then mean that an election, an early election, becomes inevitable? and could it be the end of snp led administrations in scotland? they've been in power north of the border since two thousand and seven. could this year, or potentially next year, be the last year that the snp hold the reins big, big questions and it all? >> does it tell us anything about devolution itself? there you go. that's my question to let us know what you think. gbnews.com/yoursay let's get your headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 12:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story . donald newsroom. your top story. donald trump says that us presidents must be immune from the threat

of prosecution. he spoke to those gathered outside a court in new york this morning as his hush money case continues. it's a big day for the former president in a separate case, the us supreme court will hear arguments later for why he should be immune from charges related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election. >> we have a big case today in the supreme court on presidential immunity, a presidential immunity, a president has to have immunity. if you don't have immunity , you if you don't have immunity, you just have a ceremonial president. you won't have a what do you know about the payment? so we have a big, very big thing, very big keir starmer did you know here in the uk, the post office's former head of partnerships says she's truly sorry for the devastating effect caused to wrongly convicted subpostmasters . subpostmasters. >> the ongoing inquiry is examining governance, redress and how the post office and others responded to the it scandal. angela van den boogaard told the post office that she says she hopes her evidence will give all those wrongly convicted

the answers they deserve . the answers they deserve. >> saying sorry and no doesn't change what happened. but i do want to say to everyone impacted by wrongful convictions and wrongful contract termination that i am truly, truly sorry for the devastation caused to you, your family and friends. i hope my evidence will assist this inquiry with getting to the answers you and so many others deserve . deserve. >> now, the scottish greens have accused the snp of an act of political cowardice in ending the power sharing deal. it comes after scotland's first minister, humza yousaf, called an emergency meeting of his cabinet. later, the breakdown of the power sharing deal follows criticism of a decision to scrap the country's 2030 climate target and the manner in which a review into gender services was conducted. the end of the deal means the snp will now be forced to operate as a minority government. it labour is promising to renationalise the railway if it wins the next

general election. the party says it will be the biggest overhaul in a generation, and claims the taxpayer will not pay a penny in compensation costs. it would mean all networks would transfer to public ownership within labour's first term. current government proposals would see the creation of a public sector body, which would award contracts to the private sector. but labour's plan goes further, promising to establish a publicly owned network led by rail industry experts say the system of grading schools with one word judgements should stay. that's according to the department of education. the government says grades such as outstanding or inadequate provide significant benefits and give parents a succinct summary of schools . the grading system of schools. the grading system came under scrutiny following the death of headteacher ruth perry, who took her own life after a report downgraded her school. her sister julie walters , says the government's response is woefully inadequate . a is woefully inadequate. a stabbing at a school in wales

yesterday was reportedly halted when a heroic teacher intervened, placing the attacker intervened, placing the attacker in an arm lock. amman valley school was put into lockdown yesterday when a student allegedly attacked two teachers and a pupil. their injuries are not life threatening. darrell campbell, a teacher and chairman of a local rugby club, reportedly disarmed the alleged attacker , putting her in an arm attacker, putting her in an arm lock until emergency services arrived . the school will remain arrived. the school will remain closed today while forensic teams investigate it and the suspect remains in custody . the suspect remains in custody. the government is accusing labour of failing to keep britain safe after the party declined to support an increase in defence spending. the prime minister says £75 billion of new funding will show our enemies that we are resolute and determined. but shadow financial secretary james murray says the government hasn't laid out a clear plan. while the size of britain's army has actually been reduced . has actually been reduced. >> government haven't set out

their spending plans up to 2030, so if the government want to pubush so if the government want to publish their spending plans for 2030 and explain how they're going to get there , then we'll going to get there, then we'll look at them, of course. and actually, i think that you know, at the moment people are keen as well to judge the government by their record because they have beenin their record because they have been in power for 14 years. you know, we know that over £15 billion has been wasted on mismanaged defence procurement since 2010. we know how much the army has been reduced. you know, people i think will look at the government's record over the last 14 years when considering how much they can trust any of the promises they are making now and the number of shoplifting offences recorded by police in england and wales has risen to the highest level in 20 years, is over 430,000 offences were logged by forces last year. >> that's up more than a third on the year before. it's the highest figure since current records began, according to the office for national statistics, which described the latest increase as notable. it comes after major retailers raised concerns about the rising cost of theft . and for the latest

of theft. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news common alerts. now it's back to tom and . emily. >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:08. >> it is indeed. and another day, another crisis for the scottish national party. the first minister, humza yousaf, has today terminated his party's power sharing agreement with the scottish greens , meaning he'll scottish greens, meaning he'll now head a minority government . now head a minority government. >> us. whilst he sought to downplay the coalition's collapse by saying it had served its purpose, the scottish greens accused the first minister of an act of political cowardice , and act of political cowardice, and the scottish conservatives called it an utter humiliation. >> so there you go. different interpretations of the same thing. but could this spell the end for humza yousaf? >> well, let's get more on this

now with our gb news scotland reporter, tony maguire. tony, you're there in holyrood for us. did people see this coming today ? >> 7- >> good ? >> good morning. 7 >> good morning. well certainly not. i think this has shocked pretty much everybody. the report started to come in late last night that a meeting would be held, an emergency meeting of the cabinet this morning, albeit actually went ahead. there were actually went ahead. there were a couple of hours earlier than first thought, and that's only ever happened twice before. once when alex salmond failed to get a budget through in his first couple of years, and then one immediately the day after brexit was voted for in order to plan the next independence referendum. so it gives you an idea of how extraordinary this was. but for many people , was. but for many people, they'll be thinking that this was inevitable and only a matter of time. we've seen relationship deteriorate quite significantly over the last couple of weeks. first, with those, 2030 green targets of greenhouse gases

reductions by 75. last week. and then, of course, the withdrawal of hormone therapies for children. now, i went out and i spoke to people in edinburgh today to break the news to many of them, actually, and to ask them how much confidence they still had in this minority snp government. >> i think it's a good thing for scotland . i think the greens scotland. i think the greens have not been a force for good in our country. so i frankly, i think yes, it's i'm glad. i'm glad to see the bute house agreement come to an end. >> and you think the snp will still be okay with a minority and minority government? >> well, i think it will put them under a bit of pressure , them under a bit of pressure, we'll see. >> i'd heard , rumours and things >> i'd heard, rumours and things that are going on, but i didn't actually know that has happened today. >> so, not as confident, not particularly, i think in a mess at the moment. >> i think that's been going on for a while. do you think we need. would you like to see an

election, probably . i need. would you like to see an election, probably. i think need. would you like to see an election, probably . i think they election, probably. i think they might have to call an election. yeah, but that's a sad event. no, i haven't been for a long time, actually , but i didn't time, actually, but i didn't really see the news this morning. so the greens have left the snp a minority government how. >> now. >> yeah, so am i right in saying you might fancy an election with that queer thing? >> yes, i think we should. yes >> yes, i think we should. yes >> so there you go. a lot of kind of confusion in the first part, but then i think we're also seeing people now facing facts that this is going to be difficult. and indeed humza yousaf said this morning this will be tough . and indeed, if he will be tough. and indeed, if he can't get things through like a budget or if he can't get other politicians on side and let's face it, an election year where everyone's already champing at the bit for a good scrap in the chamber, then he is going to have a really difficult time. >> no really, really difficult time indeed. well, tony maguire, thank you so much for bringing us those views, that analysis, and also for organising those

bagpipes in the background of those interviews with the public. really appreciate it . public. really appreciate it. >> it's great when, when we, when it's the first time someone's received the news and you just get that instant reaction, the quintessentially scottish scene there in edinburgh , in the capital there, edinburgh, in the capital there, shall we speak to katherine forster for some more analysis on this? our political correspondent , catherine, what correspondent, catherine, what does this mean for the snp and their now minority government ? their now minority government? >> yes. well, now a minority government. so potentially in quite a lot of trouble, there's 129 seats in the scottish parliament, the snp only holds 63. so they're just two short of a majority, which is why they needed , this deal with the green needed, this deal with the green party that they've had since 2021. but it's all broken down exceptionally acrimoniously today. exceptionally acrimoniously today . and fundamentally because today. and fundamentally because of the rowing back on their net

zero plans, because of unhappiness about the gender reform, etc, the scottish greens were already going to have a vote on whether to continue to in this agreement or not. i think humza yousaf decided to get ahead with it and basically pull the plug on it. so of course now the scottish greens are furious. they're accusing him of betraying a generation now fundamentally vie and the snp's only real friends were those seven, scottish green mps in that they also wanted , in that they also wanted, independence. of course, the conservative msps don't, nor do laboun conservative msps don't, nor do labour. so this is really, really bad news for humza yousaf . the fact that now he's going to have to have a minority government. i mean, yes, it's his choice, but it's going to be difficult. and of course it just piles more woe upon him, doesn't

it? given that it's only a week or two since the arrest of peter murrell , of course, the former murrell, of course, the former snp treasurer, mr nicola sturgeon, if you like, are now being charged with embezzlement after a year long police investigation which saw those extraordinary scenes of a blue police tent in the sturgeon front garden. so humza yousaf, he's only had just over a year in power. things are looking very, very difficult for him and people like kate forbes, who of course narrowly missed out on the leadership, he might have to turn to her for help. she might possibly get a big promotion . possibly get a big promotion. ash regan she was another of the leadership candidates . she left leadership candidates. she left the scottish national party. she went over to the alba party. so the days of the snp ruling the roost in scotland effectively for a long time pretty much operating as a one party state,

i think are well and truly over. and of course, the westminster elections coming up at the end of the year, labour are expecting to take a lot of seats from the snp and that could really, really help labour to a majority back in westminster. >> it's really interesting to look at how the snp has managed in minority before, because when they were first elected in two thousand and seven, they were a minority government. but i suppose the question of independence was far less visceral, far less real, not the biggest dividing line in scottish politics. they could rely on unionist parties, issue by issue to pass votes. perhaps it now, given the question of, of separation, of partition of independence is so very real. i find it very hard to imagine that any lib dem, any labour or conservative msp would vote with them and given now that humza yousaf has summarily dismissed the greens, they're not going to be willing to work with him ehheni be willing to work with him

either. i find it very hard to imagine how he's going to pass any legislation, and then we get on to the question of perhaps an early election, catherine a&e yes, indeed , he he basically has yes, indeed, he he basically has lost now with this action, his friends, the green party. >> so he's got them now very cross with him. no friends in labour and the conservatives of course. and the holyrood elections, the next one isn't scheduled till may 2026, so that's a long way from where we are now. is he really going to be able to get through the next two years? and of course , two years? and of course, there's a reason why, you know, he did this deal, with, with the scottish greens, just as you know, theresa may did. that was different wasn't it. confidence and supply deal with the dup. but you need to have the numbers. politicians you know all about numbers. if you haven't got the numbers. so it will be very interesting to see what happens, what happens next.

but yeah he's taking the initiative here. but still not a good day for the snp. not at all. >> thank you very much indeed, katherine forster there, our political correspondent, very interesting to talk to you and get the facts on that. i do wonder, though, tom, is there something to say about could this be party management from humza yousaf? in a way many of his backbenchers talk about the scottish greens with disdain. yeah, we've heard from particularly those who supported kate forbes. they've called them wine bar revolutionaries. they are very much extreme , perhaps are very much extreme, perhaps on the left wing of politics. would this allow for humza yousaf to perhaps rule in a more pragmatic way, ditching these green targets, ditching some of the extreme gender policies that are there ? i mean, is that some are there? i mean, is that some good spin there for humza yousaf? >> optimistic spin? because ultimately humza yousaf now is in office but not in power , he

in office but not in power, he can't guarantee the votes to do anything as first minister. and what's more than that, he probably jumped before he was pushed , as catherine was saying pushed, as catherine was saying they were going to vote on on disassembling this coalition anyway. he's taken the initiative now to make it look like it was his decision. but having done that, he's really irritated the greens. so on an issue by issue basis , perhaps issue by issue basis, perhaps he's even lost authority and lost power and lost bargaining ability as well. >> and he's hoping he's hoping that somehow the opposition parties will act constructively with him. but they've made it very clear in their statements that they will not. when asked when humza yousaf was asked if his decision to u—turn on this pact with the greens shows he's weak, he said quite the opposite. it shows leadership. i've got to make sure i do what's in the best interest of scotland . scotland. >> however, the scottish greens, their co—leader lorna slater , their co—leader lorna slater, has said that this is an act of political cowardice by the snp, ending the agreement in such a weak and thoroughly hopeless way

i >> -- >> and it's hopeless, weak and hopeless. it's interesting, isn't it , because the hopeless. it's interesting, isn't it, because the greens are trying to characterise the snp as being backward, not progressive enough, not caring about the planet enough, not caring about, you know , caring about, you know, transgender children enough and all of that going anti—woke and reactionary and all this. it's quite interesting to see how they characterise this all over interpretation of the snp position, perhaps, although if you're standing from the position of the scottish greens, anyone slightly to the right of jeremy corbyn is practically attila the hun. but is this a sign that devolution has been a little bit of a disaster in scotland ? scotland? >> well, i don't necessarily think putting it out there, throwing it out there, that devolution itself has to have been a disaster because ultimately what we might be about to see is finally an enormous correction in scottish politics. moving away from the sort of independence divisions and towards perhaps a government of scotland for the first time since two thousand and seven, that doesn't want to break apart

the uk. that could be that could be a result of wishful thinking, perhaps, but who knows? >> who knows? we will let you know. >> absolutely. but in the last few moments, we've heard that the scottish conservatives will now lodge a motion of no confidence in scotland's first minister, humza yousaf . minister, humza yousaf. >> so there you go. the scottish tories tried to get on the front foot with this, bad news perhaps, but this is, this is interesting because the snp are interesting because the snp are in minority real questions. >> now the scottish conservatives will vote for this. could the scottish labour party vote for this? could the alba party vote for this? could the lib dems vote for this? and could the greens vote for it? because if all of them do , he's because if all of them do, he's out as first minister. yeah, yeah. >> could he be out as first minister? he's been in the job for 13 months. is it just over a year? could this be the end and what could this spell for , what could this spell for, independent scottish independence? and we're going to get to some of youse because they're coming in thick and fast. some of you from scotland have a lot to say. but coming up, labour say they will take back britain's railways if they

are elected into government. but is nationalisation really the answer for our railways? how will it affect passengers ? will will it affect passengers? will we have cheaper ticket fares? >> not a chance . this is good >> not a chance. this is good afternoon britain on gb news, britain's news channel .

>> well. welcome back. you're watching. good afternoon. britain and lots of you have been getting in touch with the news coming out of scotland, archie says i live in scotland . archie says i live in scotland. we need the snp out. the only thing is they will be replaced by labour, which is not good, as they voted for the gender bill along with the other snp bills. so there will be no difference . so there will be no difference. so there will be no difference. s that's what archie has to say. >> yes , and jackie says that >> yes, and jackie says that there's, nothing progressive going on. we're talking about

whether or not these parties were progressive or not. tax is the highest level services in shambles , repeating shambles, repeating conversations we had in the 70s. nothing has progressed anywhere. >> yes. and isabel says devolution in scotland has been a complete failure and a waste of money. hopefully this is the end of the snp who has completely destroyed scotland. she says . strong views on the she says. strong views on the snp here and steve says this is the snp now stuffed. is it, is it? >> well, she says that , the >> well, she says that, the people of scotland, wales and northern ireland should all have referendums , to ask if they want referendums, to ask if they want to keep their devolved parliaments, which i'm not sure if, not sure if i'm quite in favour of, yet more referendums on these questions. i wouldn't mind, but then i've always been sceptical of devolution. >> i think once you give an inch , you give a mile, you'll never. >> and i mean, once you hold a referendum in northern ireland about keeping the assembly, then, you might have to have another disastrous. >> yes, yes, yes, yes. i don't know, i just wish that, you know, i just wish that, you know, the snp would, would, would like to stay within the united kingdom. but anyway, can you trust labour to run the

country's railways in one of the biggest alleged election pledges at least one of the most eye grabbing ones so far. >> the shadow transport secretary, louise haigh, is promising to nationalise rail services one by one, a policy she actually revealed right here on gb news back in january. >> we've got a plan to fix the railways as a whole, which includes which involves bringing operators into public ownership, but that will actually bring significant savings. our railways are really wasteful at the moment because they're so fractured and i'll be saying out plans actually in just 2 or 3 weeks time, that will demonstrate how we'll save money and how that money could buy a whole network of railways to bnng whole network of railways to bring those operators into pubuc bring those operators into public ownership. and all of them absolutely . within the them absolutely. within the first time of a labour government . government. >> so that's what she said a few months ago. but today , she's months ago. but today, she's officially unveiled the plan. she says it will save the taxpayer billions because privatisation is not working . privatisation is not working. >> but under the conservatives, our railways have become a symbol of national decline of a

country that no longer works and a government with no plan to fix it. cancellations are at record highs. fares have risen almost twice as fast as wages since 2010, and strikes are costing us £25 million a day. today's broken model simply doesn't work i >> -- >> but what is today's model, and is it really all that privatised anyway ? well, joining privatised anyway? well, joining us now is the independent's travel correspondent, simon calder. because simon, we're talking about this as if this is going to be an enormous change. but i'm looking at a number of franchises that currently run in the uk, perhaps most famously the uk, perhaps most famously the east coast main line. i mean, that's currently run by the government. >> yes. it is. no, what louise hay was saying was, are quite a lot of froth really, as me and many other commentators have been trying to point out to the labour party for some years that rail nationalisation happened in about april 2020.

>> that was when rail revenue collapse , because it was locked collapse, because it was locked down, there are still lots of trains running. >> they just didn't have any passengers on them and certainly nobody was paying any significant fares. >> so the rails are effectively in public ownership already. >> what we have got is that a significant number of train operators are private companies that are paid by the government to run those services. and yeah, it's a couple of percent on the bill. and certainly there's an argument for saying, well, that's 2% too much, but it is so little that of the problems of the railways that it's almost not worth bothering with. i put it on a par with her saying, yeah, we're going to have instant, repayment if your train is late . well, that's fine, but is late. well, that's fine, but i'd rather the trains were on time. thank you. so tackle the symptoms, not tackle the causes , symptoms, not tackle the causes, not the symptoms. >> so, simon, are you essentially saying that perhaps

the labour party know that in general , this is a positive general, this is a positive a popular policy when the public are asked, do you want to renationalise the railways? lots of people say, yes. so this is just something that they think will get a few votes rather than change dramatically the way we use trains. >> oh yes. i mean they're they're not suddenly going to move things back into private ownership. one of the franchise isindeed ownership. one of the franchise is indeed east midlands railway isn't due to expire until 2030, so therefore saying we'll bring them all back into public ownership in the life of a party is certainly questionable. i don't know if that's going to be possible , but yeah, if you possible, but yeah, if you anybody rememberjeremy possible, but yeah, if you anybody remember jeremy corbyn and the 2019 election, there was one popular policy that he came up with that actually the substantial majority of the british public seemed to favour, and that was nationalisation of the railways . you just say it the railways. you just say it and people seem to vote for you. >> but simon, simon would be. we see nationalisation of the

railways. the rails themselves are already nationalised. yeah, under the labour's, under labour's plan, they'll sort of lease the rolling stock that will be still privately owned, but the government will sort of lease it back, i mean, it doesn't really sound like it's a wholesale change particularly. >> no. well, it's not, and that's because the railways are such a financial and operational shambles at the moment that are honestly , it is going to be the honestly, it is going to be the most toxic of chalices that whoever is the next transport secretary has to pick up , secretary has to pick up, because you have a system that is costing and there will be many taxpayers watching your program right now. £240 per second in subsidy. program right now. £240 per second in subsidy . wow. to keep second in subsidy. wow. to keep a pretty ramshackle railway sort of running. it is an outrageous cost we have had. we're just going into the third summer of strikes involving train drivers

and whoever comes in as transport secretary really has to be incredibly bold and say , to be incredibly bold and say, sorry, unions, no, you can't carry on the same way that you have for over a century. we're going to have to get you to work smarter, certainly. fares we're going to reform them. but i'll tell you what that will mean. a number of people paying quite a lot more for their train travel, all unions are very bullish, though, aren't they? >> easier said than done. battling with the train unions. they are probably the strongest in the country. a history of being very, very powerful indeed, simon, we're going to have to leave it there. but fantastic to talk to you, simon calder, who is, of course, the independent travel correspondent, currently in venice. lovely yeah, lovely. well, thanks, simon. anyway, when we come back. >> yes. oh, no. i was gonna say. >> i thought you had a little thought. >> i did have a little thought. probably. probably too long a thought to squeeze in here. >> so maybe after the break we'll talk about it after the

break because we're going to go to a break now. >> but we'll be looking at the warning signs of underage drinking after the world health organisation in their infinite wisdom, has shown the uk to have the worst rate of child alcohol, use in the world. but what does it actually mean? all of that, after your headlines. >> it's 12:34 after your headlines. >> it's12:34 a.m. sophia wenzler in the gb news room. your headlines. the scottish conservatives are calling for a vote of no confidence in humza yousaf . it's after the snp's yousaf. it's after the snp's power sharing deal with the greens collapsed this morning, leaving mr yousaf in charge of a minority government. he told media a short time ago that ending the agreement represented a new beginning for the snp. donald trump says that us presidents must be immune from the threat of prosecution . when the threat of prosecution. when he spoke to those gathered outside a court in new york, this morning as the us supreme court prepares to hear arguments

related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election. >> we have a big case today. the supreme court on presidential immunity. a president has to have immunity. if you don't have immunity, you just have a ceremonial president. you won't have a. but you knew about the payments. so we made a big, very big thing, very big keir starmer did you know about the payments? >> former post office head of partnerships angela van den boogaard has said she is truly sorry for the devastation caused to wrongly convicted subpostmasters. she told the post office horizon it inquiry this morning that she hopes her evidence will give all those wrongfully convicted the answers they deserve , and labour is they deserve, and labour is promising to renationalise the railways , saying that the railways, saying that the current model has led to high ticket prices and long delays. it would see the establishment of a publicly owned network led by rail industry experts, without burdening taxpayers with extra costs. but commons leader penny mordaunt says the plan wouldn't bring prices down,

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i >> -- >> good afternoon. britain. it's 12:37 now. lucy. letby who was found guilty of murdering seven babies and the attempted murders of six others, has been in court today asking judges for permission to appeal her criminal convictions . criminal convictions. >> us gb news reporter. sophie reaperis >> us gb news reporter. sophie reaper is at the royal courts of justice and has this breaking update for us. >> well, good afternoon to you both. we can bring you that. in

fact, here at the court of appeal today, a reserved judgement has been made with regards to lucy libby's application to appeal. now, what that essentially means is that today we will not be finding out one way or another whether that application has been approved or denied . it's something that denied. it's something that happens quite frequently here at the court of appeal, and it's certainly what has happened today. the three judges who've been presiding over this appeal, this application to appeal case so far this week, rose simply telling the courtroom that that reserved judgement had therefore been passed. now, of course, we do know that lucy letby, in just under six weeks time, will be appearing once again at manchester crown court. that's with regards to child k, whom was one of the babies during the original trial, whom the jury were unable to come to a verdict on. but as it stands, we just don't know whether the result of this application to appeal, whether we will know if it's approved or denied before or after that retrial has

commenced. so, as it stands, all we can realistically say is that the reserve judgement has been passed and that we just don't know when we will find out the result of that application to appeal for lucy letby. >> well, we know that when we do, you'll be on top of it. sophie reaper, thank you very much for bringing us the very latest. there outside the royal courts of justice. >> now, in other news, the uk has been warned to crack down on underage drinking after it's been revealed that the country our country has the worst rate of child alcohol abuse in the world. although tom is shaking his head because it's not necessarily about abuse, rather, they're trying a drink. >> it's measuring . any child who >> it's measuring. any child who has ever tried any drink. so the so england specifically is number one for take say say 11 year olds or 13 year olds who have ever tried any drink. >> not a great thing either way though, is it really? >> well, it doesn't mean their problem drinkers. it doesn't mean it's alcohol abuse. it means mum and dad might have

given them a little sip of wine at christmas. that's not a bad thing. >> well, let's see what the chair of the alcohol harms commission, baroness ilora finlay, thinks of all this . finlay, thinks of all this. thank you so much for joining finlay, thinks of all this. thank you so much forjoining us on the show , as you heard from on the show, as you heard from tom, he's a bit sceptical of this study. he says it doesn't really show that much about underage drinking just by showing that lots of children have had a try of alcohol. >> well, thank you for inviting me on. what we do know is that the country has a big, big problem with alcohol . the number problem with alcohol. the number of deaths amongst people attribute to alcohol has gone up hugely . it's almost a third hugely. it's almost a third higher than it was five years ago.the higher than it was five years ago. the death rate is double amongst men and it's really high andifs amongst men and it's really high and it's high amongst women as well. and the north east has got the worst data. so it might be that the child answers and says

they had a sip of alcohol out of mum's glass or dad's. the problem is that the child's brain is particularly susceptible to addiction of all sorts. so you can't really separate this from drugs and from vaping as well. the child's brain is particularly susceptible and we really need to make sure they don't start. >> but baroness finlay, you're completely correct. there is a real problem in this country of adults , particularly middle aged adults, particularly middle aged people drinking and problem drinking . people drinking and problem drinking. but people drinking and problem drinking . but actually all of drinking. but actually all of the data, all of the data that we've seen is that this generation, generation z, is drinking less than millennials did and less than the generation before. and the generation before. and the generation before. we've got a generation now. young people in britain now dnnk now. young people in britain now drink less than people have done in decades . in decades. >> yeah. can we separate out the total amount of drinking that

goes on? you've got two groups really , of three you've got really, of three you've got those who never drink , often for those who never drink, often for religious or other cultural reasons. they don't touch alcohol at all. you've got another group which is relatively small and changing, and they drink socially from time to time . but then you have time to time. but then you have another group who are addicted to alcohol, where alcohol is destroying their lives. it's causing obesity, it's causing malnutrition, it's causing liver failure , and it's also failure, and it's also destroying families because of the violence associated with alcohol abuse . so i do think alcohol abuse. so i do think that you can't take the overall consumption and say, we don't have a problem because we have a really big problem with that drinking problem group. >> and do we have evidence to suggest that if you try alcohol at a young age , you're more at a young age, you're more likely to then become a problem drinker or even an alcoholic

down the line? is there an evidence there? is there causation? there >> you that there are multiple factors involved? so you can't say that there's a direct link with letting your child have a sip of your beer or your wine , sip of your beer or your wine, and then that they will become a problem drinker. but there's a whole issue around culture, around the culture of drinking, around the culture of drinking, around the culture of drinking, around the view that actually getting drunk is an okay thing to do. a good way to live , to do. a good way to live, versus those who are aware that actually by abusing alcohol, they're damaging their health permanently . permanently. >> well, thank you very much indeed for joining >> well, thank you very much indeed forjoining us on the indeed for joining us on the show . really great to speak to show. really great to speak to you and get your view on all this. baroness ilora finlay , this. baroness ilora finlay, chair of the alcohol harms commission, good stuff. now, we've been out and about to asking the public what they make of all this, should we have a watch? you really need to sort of control it and say to them , of control it and say to them, you all have a little, you know, at home and maybe get them

acclimatised and then after that. >> but i don't know, it's not very good. >> it's not very good at all. it has a horrible effect on the developing brain . developing brain. >> of course i have a baby, but less. but yeah, of course it's concerning. as long as they don't have any problem with the society or not creating a nuisance, it's okay. but yeah, and we can control the drinks. but underage, i think it's not worth not worth it. >> i didn't even know that this was a trend. yeah. so yeah, with friends we're like 15. >> okay. >> okay. >> yourself. >> yourself. >> 16 probably. yeah. 14 with friends. yeah. oh. >> not concerned about it at the moment to be honest. i think kids is quite a long way away for me. >> and everyone does it like it's just you experience you have growing up and then you learn what's too much and then yeah, you learn from that . yeah, you learn from that. >> they don't care about people. they they care about animals and then they don't care about people. >> interesting perspective having to do. >> is it . yeah. >> is it. yeah. >> so it's nothing to do. >> so it's nothing to do. >> so it's nothing to do. >> so you might as well have a dnnk >> so you might as well have a drink as well. >> yeah. yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> well there's plenty of stuff

to do when i was a kid, but no phones. >> so. >> so. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> healthy attitude there. you got nothing else to do. how would you rate? >> i think it's far more healthy. and i'll defend this position until the end of the earth. it is far more healthy to have a little bit of wine. growing up to know, to have a responsible relationship with alcohol. >> i think it's a myth not to. >> i think it's a myth not to. >> when you suddenly go off to university, encounter alcohol for the first time and not know your limits, i think you're just as likely to be a binge drinker. >> if you've had a glass of wine with your parents at dinner, then if you've never touched it. i really think that's a bit of a myth. maybe, but if you try a little bit, then you'll be more sensible in the future. i'm not sure that's true. >> certainly be more sensible in freshers week and that's what matters most. >> well, maybe a little bit more worldly perhaps. let us know what you think. gbnews.com/yoursay. but coming up, can wigs reduce violence ? up, can wigs reduce violence? yes, we are seriously asking that question. family judges are hoping so as they try and crack down on courtroom attacks by wearing more traditional attire. >> i love this story. much more on that very shortly

i >> -- >> it's 1249. you're watching and listening to. good afternoon, britain. now, yesterday, a welsh school was sent into a code red lockdown after two teachers and a student were stabbed. >> well, joining us from the amman valley school in carmarthenshire, where the incident happened, is gb news reporter jack carson . jack, what reporter jack carson. jack, what update do you have for us? >> well, in the last hour, tom and emily, we've heard that the three people that were involved in this incident, two teachers and a teenage pupil that were stabbed at the school here in ammanford yesterday. they've all now been discharged from hospital after being treated for knife injuries. stafford, powys police say that officers will still be here at the school throughout the day as the cid now lead this investigation. they are still here on school ,

they are still here on school, on site, collecting possible forensic evidence, other evidence as well, which can of course support them in their investigations. we know a teenage girl still remains in police custody. the police have confirmed that they she still remains in police custody for questioning after being arrested yesterday on suspicion of attempted murder. and carmarthenshire superintendent ross evans has said in the last hour that they will continue to be a police presence, that they are continuing to understand the level of concern in the community as people of course, tried to process this incident. it's been described as very distressing . the scenes. we've distressing. the scenes. we've heard reports of children trying to scale some of the seven foot fences to try and escape the incident, children calling their parents screaming down the phone yesterday that people had been stabbed. so you can imagine the distress. then, as the school went into lockdown. so that support is still being available within the community today, the police say as their investigations continue. but that latest update is that the three people that were stabbed in this incident yesterday have now been discharged from hospital. >> thank you very much indeed.

jack carson. they're good to speak to you , now, moving on to speak to you, now, moving on to possibly one of the strangest stories of the day. our judges encouraging their colleagues to wear traditional clothing to try and crack down on courtroom violence. >> well, this is their hope in judicial circles, where the more traditional attire, such as robes and wigs, the hope is that will reduce the number of violent outbursts in court . violent outbursts in court. people will somehow seem more magisterial, more impressive, less able to be attacked. >> yeah, maybe we're joined now by vanessa lloyd platt, who's a divorce lawyer, vanessa, very good to speak to you. what do you make of this, do you think, wearing the wig and the robe shows a level of authority that means you're less likely to be attacked in court. >> well, there is a huge issue of safety now for our judges and indeed for lawyers in the courts today. and the hope is after

there has been a judicial inquiry now into this, that by wearing the robes, they won't be wearing the robes, they won't be wearing the robes, they won't be wearing the wigs in court. the judges, just the robes that it will introduce back in some kind of formality into the proceedings. we have been trying for a long time now to make it informal in the courts, to make people feel very comfortable about being in family court, but the problem is , it's swung the the problem is, it's swung the other way so that people feel that because we've got more and more of the people acting in person without lawyers present, and they feel that it's an open day to be abusive to judges , day to be abusive to judges, abusive to lawyers, and it's now gone over to being very violent in, in the courtrooms and the judges are frightened. we had an incident that was really bad in november in milton keynes , where november in milton keynes, where the head judge there was attacked by somebody acting in person who struck him with a radiator. he ended up

hospitalised. and the judges are now very concerned that there is not enough security for them. so by bringing and introducing some kind of formality , they're kind of formality, they're hoping that people will respect the judges more than they are at the judges more than they are at the moment. and it is a concern, it seems like it's been an unmitigated disaster trying to make a family court a less formal, a less weighty place . formal, a less weighty place. >> yes. i mean, i suppose i suppose everyone thought that they were trying to do a good thing, but it seems like there's no doubt this is backfired. >> well, it has backfired. it's particularly backfired since covid because of course, we've introduced since covid hearings that have been very informal. they've even been by zoom or teams, so that people are in their own bedrooms talking to a judge, and therefore the whole procedure has become, in the eyes of some lawyers , too eyes of some lawyers, too informal. and there needs to be now formality introduced back. so there's respect for the

judge, respect for the system. so people will abide by court orders which more and more people are seeming to abuse. but the safety of our judges and the judiciary is so important. there isn't enough to money go around. so they're trying to come up with something that they think will be an instant safety measure. of course, they're going to be those that say, this is utter nonsense, but i am one of them that thinks this is a good idea. well it's great to it's great to get your your perspective on this. >> thank you so much forjoining us. vanessa lloyd platt , who is us. vanessa lloyd platt, who is a divorce lawyer. i mean, it's like taking away discipline from schools to be progressive. and now it's, you know, these family courts are like an episode of jeremy kyle back in the day. >> i think i'm thoroughly in favour of robes and wigs. actually, i don't think that it should just be back in the courts. should be back in the house of commons as well. the speaker should wear the wig. bnng speaker should wear the wig. bring it back. >> well, we're going to be back in just one moment with the, crisis engulfing humza yousaf and the snp, the scottish tories announcing they're tabling a

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>> way. >> way. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 1:00 on thursday, the 25th of april. >> scottish government collapse. humza yousaf power sharing agreement with the greens has fallen apart, leaving the snp limping on alone in minority. the first minister says this is a new beginning. others are saying this is the beginning of the end . the end. >> full steam ahead. labour says they'll renationalise the railways if they get into power. but do you trust keir starmer to run the trains on time? and, crucially, will it make the blindest bit of difference to ticket prices? >> should the army still be using horses? that's our debate this hour , as two injured this hour, as two injured household cavalry horses remain in a serious condition after they bolted through central london yesterday, and england is the worst in the world for underage drinking. >> that's according to a new study from the world health organisation. but how seriously should we take their findings?

>> well, they'll now be a vote of no confidence tabled in humza yousaf . and it's going to be yousaf. and it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this falls. how on earth will the greens vote or might they abstain? how on earth will they abstain? how on earth will the conservatives vote? they'll probably vote no confidence. will the other unionists vote no confidence? could it be that humza yousaf is turfed out? >> the greens will abstain. i mean , they've been vicious. in mean, they've been vicious. in their statement on the breakdown of this power sharing agreement. i can't i can't see them being kind to humza at his moment of need. >> but would they want to vote for a tory motion of no confidence ? i think that's true. confidence? i think that's true. that might be their get out. yeah, it all rests really on the greens. those swing votes , i greens. those swing votes, i wonder, i wonder if it had been the labour party that tabled

this motion, do you think it might have had hop on board. >> yes, they'd hop on. >> yes, they'd hop on. >> we haven't seen we haven't seen what they'd say yet, but, but it is a huge question because it seems that the first minister of scotland has lost this crucial crutch that he was, just as i say that i'm imagining . do you remember that video when he fell off the school, off the scooter ? the scooter? >> oh, dear. he lost. >> he's lost his crucial leg. scooter didn't he ask the bbc to get rid of the video? >> he did? yes oh dear. fragile ego there. >> well, when you're a politician, you say make that video disappear. it's not going to disappear very often . to disappear very often. precisely the opposite. it goes viral. >> it goes viral . yes. so if >> it goes viral. yes. so if you're thinking of becoming a politician, never ask for a video to disappear if it's already out there. >> especially if it's you on a scooter falling off as you whizz down a ministerial corridor. >> but the serious matter? what does this mean for scotland? let us know your views. gbnews.com/yoursay say is it over for humza yousaf and the snp? let us know. but let's get your headlines.

>> good afternoon. it's 1:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . the scottish newsroom. the scottish conservatives are calling for a vote of no confidence in humza yousaf. it's after the snps power sharing deal with the greens collapsed this morning, leaving mr yousaf in charge of a minority government. he told media a short time ago that ending the agreement represented a new beginning for the snp . the a new beginning for the snp. the liberal democrats say railfair should be frozen after labour unveiled a plan to bring britain's train services into pubuc britain's train services into public ownership. current government proposals would see the creation of a public sector body, which would award contracts to the private sector. but labour's plan goes further , but labour's plan goes further, promising to establish a publicly owned network led by rail industry experts. liberal democrats had leader sir ed davey says britain's trains are in a terrible state. >> railways are in a total mess under the conservatives price rises have gone through the roof, services have got worse

and there's been so much disruption, so there needs to be change. the liberal democrat plan is to make sure that the great british railways is set up properly, so the public sector has someone bringing it all together. but we want to make sure there's a cut in the fares, the fares in the uk, amongst the highest in europe, and commuters have just been fleeced. >> i don't see that in labour's plan, but liberal democrats want to freeze in rail fares . to freeze in rail fares. >> in other news, the post office's former head of partnerships says she's truly sorry for the devastation caused to wrongly convicted subpostmasters. the ongoing inquiry is examining governance, redress and how the post office and others responded to the it scandal. angela van den boogaard says she hopes her evidence will give people the answers they deserve, saying sorry and no doesn't change what happened. >> but i do want to say to everyone impacted by wrongful convictions and wrongful contract terminations that i am truly, truly sorry for the

devastation caused to you, your family and friends. i hope my evidence will assist this inquiry with getting to the answers you and so many others deserve . deserve. >> donald trump says that us presidents must be immune from the threat of prosecution. he spoke to those gathered outside a court in new york this morning as his hush money case continues. it's a big day for the former president. in a separate case, the us supreme court will hear arguments later for why he should be immune from charges related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election. >> we have a big case today in the supreme court on presidential immunity. a presidential immunity. a president has to have immunity. if you don't have immunity, you just have a ceremonial president. you won't have a do you know about the payment that big? we have a very big thing , a big? we have a very big thing, a very big case. >> now, the system of grading schools with one word judgements should stay. that's according to the department of education. the

government says grades such as outstanding or inadequate provide significant benefits and give parents a succinct summary of schools. the grading system came under scrutiny following the death of head teacher ruth perry, who took her own life after a report downgraded her school. her sister , julie school. her sister, julie walters, says the government's response is woefully inadequate. it a stabbing at a school in wales yesterday was reportedly halted when a heroic teacher intervened, placing the attacker intervened, placing the attacker in an arm lock. amman valley school was put into lockdown yesterday when a student allegedly attacked two teachers and a pupil. their injuries are not life threatening. daryl campbell, a teacher and chairman of a local rugby club, reportedly disarmed the alleged attacker, putting her in an arm lock until emergency services arrived. the school will remain closed today while forensic teams investigate . the suspect teams investigate. the suspect remains in custody . the number remains in custody. the number of shoplifting offences recorded by police in england and wales

has risen to the highest level in 20 years. over 430,000 offences were logged by forces last year . that's up more than a last year. that's up more than a third on the year before. it's the highest figure since current records began, according to the office for national statistics, which described the latest increase as notable. it comes after major retailers raised concerns about the rising cost of theft and the most famous red windmill on the top of the moulin rouge in paris, plummeted to the ground overnight, but early visitors were stunned this morning to find the landmark broken into pieces on the street. the theatre is currently investigating the cause, though it's not believed to be deliberate . since opening in deliberate. since opening in 1889, it's become one of the most popular destinations in paris, inspiring the 2001 film and a stage musical currently playing in london. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news

.com/ alerts. now it's back to tom and . tom and. emily. >> thanks very much, sophia. now, welcome back to good afternoon britain. >> here on gb news is humza yousaf a lame duck leader? that's the claim from scottish conservative leader douglas ross, who has announced his party is tabling a motion of no confidence in the first minister presiding officer, i can confirm today that on behalf of the scottish conservatives , i am scottish conservatives, i am lodging a vote of no confidence in humza yousaf . in humza yousaf. >> he is a failed first minister. >> he has focused on the wrong priorities for scotland. >> he has governed in the snp's interests and not in scotland's interests. he is unfit for office, shouldn't this be the end of the road for this week? >> first minister, there we go. that was first minister's questions a little bit earlier

this afternoon . it comes, of this afternoon. it comes, of course, as the first minister has pulled the plug on his party's power sharing agreement with the scottish greens following a series of disagreements over policy. >> so the question is, could this spell the end for humza yousaf ? should we get analysis? yousaf? should we get analysis? sorry, shall we get analysis now from gb news political editor christopher hope, christopher, that's the question we're asking. could this spell the end of humza yousaf's political career, or at least his position as first minister? i understand the liberal democrats are also behind this motion . behind this motion. >> well, it could frankly won the at the beginning now of a very dramatic seven days in scottish politics, the tories think they can get this this vote of no confidence in humza yousaf next week. tories are saying to me he's in the fight of his life. >> the numbers are very tight. as you were saying earlier, i think it was you, emily, saying there that the green party, which have now issued a devastating attack on humza

yousaf, having pulled out of this coalition today , they look this coalition today, they look quite ill disposed towards supporting humza yousaf in this, in this no confidence vote. so it is rapidly unravelling for this, for this first minister. >> he's a lame duck leader , >> he's a lame duck leader, according to douglas ross, the scottish tory leader and of course an mp in westminster who tabled the vote of no confidence today, yousaf hit back, saying the tories are being predictable i >> -- >> they're l>> they're playing >> they're playing political games well, they certainly are playing games , but the results playing games, but the results could be extremely serious and possibly terminal for mr yousaf. for labour's point, anas sarwar , for labour's point, anas sarwar, the scottish labour leader, he's calling for an early election and that could happen from this if it goes the wrong way for the snp. the next election is due in may 2026 and no one foresaw any election in scotland before that period. to recap what happened patrick harvie, lorna slater they quit the cabinet. it, they've quit the so—called bute house agreement signed back in

august 2021, and that came after an emergency cabinet meeting called by mr mr yousaf. there are 129 msps in the scottish parliament, 683 are snp msps, which means they need two more to have this majority in holyrood. they haven't got that. the question now is can snp , can the question now is can snp, can the snp get their policies through parliament or are they a lame duck administration? it all really hangs on what will be a very dramatic seven days in scottish politics. >> it seems that humza yousaf has really shot himself in the foot here. if he wanted to go about trying to create alliances issue by issue rather than a formal coalition in order to get a budget passed in order to maintain his position there as first minister. he's done it in perhaps the most peculiar way possible. he has completely fidden possible. he has completely ridden roughshod over the democratic process that was taking place within the scottish green party. they were asking their members what they should do, and in the middle of that

process, he's gone, no, you're out. it's not a way to win friends and influence people. i find it really hard to imagine how he's going to get anything through parliament now . through parliament now. >> he was acting really as though he's got a majority. he didn't actually have one senior tory in westminster told me last night, we like him exactly where he is . they they think that he is. they they think that humza yousaf is a weak politician. nothing like the nicola sturgeon in her pomp. of course, she's got her own issues at the moment. we'll leave them there, but they think that humza yousaf is a great thing for the people of the tory party, probably to labour those who are trying to support the union, think he's being helpful. why he moved ahead of where the greens were with their protracted democratic process , i don't know. >> and of course, it's worth saying that humza yousaf says this is a sign of leadership ship, while everyone else, it seems, say it's a sign of political cowardice, but thank you very much indeed. christopher hope gb news

political editor. great to get your analysis on this one, interesting, isn't it ? do you interesting, isn't it? do you think humza yousaf can somehow frame this as him leading the way? the scottish greens won't cooperate enough with his agenda. therefore he had to take the initiative and separate himself. separate the snp. we do know that a lot of backbenchers weren't too keen on the scottish greens, were they? >> why don't we ask what humza yousaf, humza use of himself, who when he became first minister, said it would be tremendously foolish to blow up his coalition agreement well worth its weight in gold, worth its weight in gold. been tremendously foolish today. let's speak to the deputy leader of the scottish conservatives, megan gallagher. megan, your your level. you're putting forward a table , you're tabling forward a table, you're tabling a motion of no confidence. we've got there eventually, in the first minister, who do you think is going to back this? might you get the labour party's support? might even some scottish greens vote for this ?

vote for this? >> well, we might do, because we do know that the first minister is a lame duck. and we do know that he has presided over a coalition of chaos that has endedin coalition of chaos that has ended in chaos. and there doesn't seem to be any road now for humza yousaf to travel down. and all the while he has led a nationalist government that has been focused on his own party's priorities solely and not the priorities solely and not the priorities of the country, so thatis priorities of the country, so that is why we are tabling this motion of no confidence in the first minister. you saw from first minister. you saw from first minister's questions today that patrick harvie left a scathing, question to the first minister. so i don't think the greens are best pleased , with greens are best pleased, with what's happened today. but it does look as though the first minister ditched the greens before the greens ditched him. so i think we now need to move forward with this motion. that's exactly what we will do today. and we will be calling on other parties and other members of the scottish parliament to back it.

>> it sounds like you've got the scottish liberal democrats on board, the greens. do you have a working relationship with the scottish greens? will it be easy for you to convince them to back this motion? of course, the scottish greens are furious. currently with the snp leader and the party, but are they furious enough to back a tory motion ? motion? >> well, we'll need to wait and see. but given the question that patrick harvie put to the first minister, they're certainly not best pleased with how the first minister has acted within the bute house agreement. the bute house agreement has not been successful anyways , and we only successful anyways, and we only need to look at the policies in which the bute house agreement has created, such as highly protected marine areas and failure to support our oil and gas sector for the deposit return scheme, of course, and the gender recognition reform bill. so it's never been a popular agreement. it's just been one that's been sewn up by the scottish , the snp and the the scottish, the snp and the scottish greens. so now is the

opportunity for other parties to look at humza yousafs time as first minister and decide whether or not he's fit to govern? and i certainly don't believe that he has. >> how does this whole situation work now? because humza yousaf will be trying to build coalitions and frankly, i find it very hard to sort of think how these coalitions will work, issue by issue, vote by vote. can you imagine any unionists wanting to work with him? >> well, again, you know, that's for political parties on a case by case issue. but the way that the snp has run this government, this parliamentary term, it certainly hasn't been to extend the hand of friendship to unionist parties. and every single time the scottish conservatives have put forward something positive and i can say, you know , just off the top say, you know, just off the top of my head, douglas ross's right to recovery bill, that would look at getting better support for people who are living with

addictions. that has just never been a priority for the snp green coalition. so they haven't tried to extend any, hands of cooperation on really important issues. so i think it will be exceptionally difficult for the nationalist government moving forward, however, you know, all will all have to wait and see what happens on the back of this motion that we tabled to, megan, just, just lastly, quickly , will just, just lastly, quickly, will this all make a labour government up in scotland more likely? >> i think they're pretty pretty. on a on a on a footing with the snp at the moment . if with the snp at the moment. if you look at the, voting intentions polling, is that probably going to be the likely result of this perhaps? >> well , polls are polls. and >> well, polls are polls. and again, we don't know exactly what will happen in the vote of no confidence when this is tabled in parliament. but what i can say is that the only party that has been standing up for people's priorities right across scotland is the scottish conservatives. labour do actually tend to vote with the snp, on big ticket items. so

there might be, you know, an opportunity for them to work if thatis opportunity for them to work if that is what the scottish labour party choose to do. but that would not be in their interest, i would imagine. however that just shows that the only party thatis just shows that the only party that is offering anything different, that actually is focusing on people's priorities as the scottish conservatives, it's not the scottish labour party. >> it is worth remembering that on the scottish hate crime legislation , on the scottish legislation, on the scottish gender recognition, legislation , gender recognition, legislation, the labour party voted with the snp on those big ticket items, but megan gallagher, thank you very much for joining but megan gallagher, thank you very much forjoining us. really appreciate it. deputy leader of the scottish conservative party. >> good stuff. well coming up we're going to be debating whether army horses should be banned after several people were injured when horses rampaged through central london. and of course, two of the horses are in a serious condition. still seriously injured, should they just be banned? do we no longer need army horses in this day and age? >> this is good afternoon britain on .

gb news. good afternoon. britain. it's 1:22. now. two of the five military horses that broke loose yesterday and bolted miles through central london remain in a serious condition today. being treated by vets ? yes. treated by vets? yes. >> the frightening and, very unusual incident has led to calls from some that the army should not be using ceremonial horses at all, especially in urban areas. >> well, let's debate this question now. joining us to debate this is kate werner from the people for the ethical treatment of animals organisation. who doesn't think horses should be used in the military? and the former editor of the horse and hound, who used to, used to support the household cavalry as a civilian

support rider , lucy higginson, support rider, lucy higginson, we're going to have this debate here. now, let's start of course, with kate. kate werner from the people for the ethical treatment of animals. why should these, why should the army not use ceremonial horses ? use ceremonial horses? >> well, i mean, horses are really sensitive . really sensitive. >> can become spooked really easily, as we've seen and forcing them to take part in drills, whether they're ceremonial or, you know, for crowd control, can upset them deeply . you know, they don't deeply. you know, they don't choose to be used as the military use them to be fitted with bits and reins and subjected to loud noises and used to carry humans. and of course , these images of these course, these images of these blood soaked horses running scared through london should serve as a stark reminder that animals are not military equipment, you know, and it's time that the ministry of defence put, you know, an end to using these sentient beings in

this way . this way. >> okay. well, lucy, let's get your perspective. why is it absolutely fine to use these horses in this way? >> well, we don't use them as fighting forces anymore. we use them largely as ceremonial, officers. really? they represent, gb. they represent everything that's wonderful about our pageantry , we bring about our pageantry, we bring them out as a courtesy to visiting officials and presidents and so on from overseas. when there are state visits, we bring them out on important royal occasions . they important royal occasions. they are actually, selected, bred and trained for this job. so we're not putting, you know, skittish thoroughbreds onto the streets of london. they're very carefully selected and really carefully selected and really carefully trained. yes, they are sentient and they can be flighty and frisky. and yesterday's incident was a was shocking for all. but they've been serving in this way in london for about 350 years. and it's very, very rare to have an incident like this. obviously, i'm sure it will be reviewed so that any, any

mistakes or any lessons from yesterday can, can be learned and acted on. but i think most londoners and most, most people around the world would really miss having these horses representing britain, doing queen's life guard in london and so on. it'sjust queen's life guard in london and so on. it's just part of britain and usually the most wonderful , and usually the most wonderful, uplifting sight in london when we see them doing watering order and on exercise and performing their duties in london. >> well, that's a point, isn't it, kate? shouldn't all animal lovers appreciate having horses in the heart of london? having horses as part of our as our of our armed forces? >> well, i mean , horses >> well, i mean, horses shouldn't be used to entertain tourists, you know, particularly when they're in situations that could make them bolt. and you know, disappear down roads and, you know, potentially risk their lives and the lives of humans that were present, too, and of course , tourists could still course, tourists could still visit the iconic sites and pose for photos with guardsmen. you know, removing the horses from these sites wouldn't at all diminish their charm or their historical interest that

tourists have. and i mean, like, where does it end? you know what? what has to happen for us to seriously review the use of horses in these kind of, you know, military events. okay. was this to die? >> was this on your agenda before this freak incident? was this something that you'd given much thought to? because to most people , it seems utterly people, it seems utterly harmless. it's a nice thing that tourists come and see. it's something that represents britain internationally . vie, so britain internationally. vie, so have you just leapt on this as just the latest peta cause ? just the latest peta cause? >> well, peter works on, you know, ending the use of animals in all different types of ways and entertainment is one of them. but it isn't harmless, is it? you know, we've seen that these two horses may very well still die from being put in this situation. i mean, the images are showing now a horrific and i mean, it's not it's not harmless when they're putting in these situations , put in these situations, put in these situations, put in these situations, that puts them and the public at risk. situations, that puts them and the public at risk . you know, the public at risk. you know, we've seen lots of instances. there was a horse that collided

with, the crowd at the king's coronation there's plenty of videos online of tourists actually being really disrespectful to the horses on horse guards parade. and the horses , you know, getting really horses, you know, getting really fed up and biting them or trying to move away , you know, is this. to move away, you know, is this. and it doesn't represent the uk, where a nation of animal lovers, these images that you're showing that isn't representative of how people in the uk treat animals or think they should be treated. >> but can i just bring lucy in on this , surely, in a way, these on this, surely, in a way, these horses have been looked after as best they can. this was a freak incident. this does not happen very regularly. that's why it made front front pages is, they've been looked after by the very best vets , i'm sure, having very best vets, i'm sure, having spent a lot of time in knightsbridge barracks where these horses are stabled, but not all year round. >> they do get an extensive houdayin >> they do get an extensive holiday in norfolk every summer as well, they're looked after beautifully in their care, and their stabling has evolved with, you know, modern, modern

practices. they are in beautiful condition . horses are condition. horses are essentially working animals that like having a job there. most horses, especially the ones that train up well, they love being busy. they they prick their ears when they see a bridle approach for them. so yes, this was a shocking incident, but they are also working animals a little bit their their formal military role is to defend the monarch on parade. so if we still value having dignitaries riding in open carriages , they flank those open carriages, they flank those carriages to be in the way. if somebody throws missiles at them or whatever the dignitaries or the monarch or what have you. so they do have a working role as well, beyond just standing on on lifeguard, queen's lifeguard . lifeguard, queen's lifeguard. and yes, they are magnificently cared for and many of them thrive in this role and live a really long working life. because they are so well cared for, with great nutrition, regular exercise , holidays and regular exercise, holidays and so on. so they are, you know, the fundamental question is, are you happy for the horses to be fidden you happy for the horses to be ridden or not? almost all of britain is very happy for horses to be ridden because they love

it. and it's a really, you know, generational thing. we've always done. and we do it better than most countries in the world. we're trying to come in there. >> kate, yeah. i mean, i was just going to say, like, the question is whether we want to put horses at risk of this happening again. and like i say, do we want to risk losing their lives? do we want to risk risking human lives as much as these animals are trained and, and, you know, looked after to the point is that you can't really desensitise desensitise them. it's their natural instinct to be flighty . and, you instinct to be flighty. and, you know, no matter how much training is put in, we can never guarantee that they won't react while on duty. you know, they don't. they risk. there's always a risk with horses, but this can just as easily happen in the countryside where we have huge lorries and huge ratios of traffic, and we have equestrian bodies working really hard to open routes up for riders. but i think this was an extraordinary incident yesterday and an extraordinary noise. you know, it takes more than an exhaust backfiring to upset these horses. so i think it was quite an exceptional incident. sure. but in the centre of london we

can expect there to be, you know, skyscrapers being erected, lots of construction noise. but because that's what happens in cities. but horses don't belong in the centre of london with all of this noise and, you know, possible like things that can upset them and make them bolt, you know. so why risk it ? you know. so why risk it? >> it looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree. but thank you very much. that was a fantastic head to head. lucy higginson, who is who supported the household cavalry as a civilian support rider. thank you very much indeed . and of you very much indeed. and of course, kate werner from peter. well i know, i think i think that, i can guess where all the comments from gb news viewers might be on this question. mark says, should horses be banned from , from use by the military, from, from use by the military, yay from, from use by the military, yay or nay? very good, very good, very good. we should have got there first. we should have got there first. we should have got there first. we should have got there first. >> oh goodness me, but of course we will be back after your headunes we will be back after your headlines with some much more news. we're going to be discussing labour's plans to what they describe as renationalise the railways. but is it quite as simple as that?

first, your afternoon headlines as . as. >> it's 131. as. >> it's131. i'm sophia wenzler and the gb newsroom your headunes and the gb newsroom your headlines the scottish conservatives are calling for a vote of no confidence in humza yousaf. it's after the snps power sharing deal with the greens collapsed this morning, leaving mr yousaf in charge of a minority government. he told media a short time ago that ending the agreement represented a new beginning for the snp. the leader of the liberal democrats says rail fares should be frozen after labour unveiled a plan to bnng after labour unveiled a plan to bring britain's train services into public ownership . current into public ownership. current government proposals would see the creation of a public sector body, which would award contracts to the private sector. labour's plan goes further, promising to establish a publicly owned network led by rail industry experts . publicly owned network led by rail industry experts. but sir ed davey says britain's trains are in a terrible state.

>> railways are in a total mess under the conservatives price rises have gone through the roof, services have got worse and there's been so much disruption, so there needs to be change. the liberal democrat plan is to make sure that the great british railways is set up properly, so the public sector has someone bringing it all together, but we want to make sure there's a cut in the fares. the fares in the uk are amongst the highest in europe and commuters have just been fleeced. >> i don't see that in labour's plan, but liberal democrats want a freeze in rail fares . a freeze in rail fares. >> the post office's former head of partnerships says she's truly sorry for the devastation caused to wrongly convicted subpostmasters. the ongoing inquiry is examining governance, redress and how the post office and others responded to the it scandal. angela van den boogaard says she hopes her evidence will give people the answers they deserve . and for the latest deserve. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your

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good afternoon. britain. it's 1:36. now. can you trust the

labour party to run the country's railways? can you? >> well , in country's railways? can you? >> well, in one of the biggest election pledges so far, the shadow transport secretary, louise hague, is promising to nationalise rail services, a policy she actually revealed right here on gb news all the way back in january. >> we've got a plan to fix the railways as a whole, which includes which involves bringing operators into public ownership, but that will actually bring significant savings. our railways are really wasteful at the moment because they're so fractured. and i'll be saying out plans actually in just 2 or 3 weeks time, that we'll demonstrate how we'll save money and how that money could be with the railways to bring those operators into public ownership and bring all of them. absolutely within the first terms of a labour government . terms of a labour government. >> she said that she'd be announcing the details in 2 or 3 weeks. well it took 3 or 4 months, but here we are today. she doubled down on the plan announcing those details, saying it will save the taxpayer billions. well, does that add up? and could it be a vote

winner? winner? well, here's what some members of the public thought of the plan. >> i think they should do. definitely. and all other utility companies as well should be renationalised . be renationalised. >> well, it certainly can't get any worse. >> it might be, but then can we afford it completely ? afford it completely? >> why do you think? because i think it should be a standard ization. and you're not always clear with sure of the fares. definitely definite . definitely definite. >> we should nationalise the railways and all the rest of the utility companies. >> well, there you go. it's a yes, yes, yes from the public, one of those chaps said it can't get any worse. well, it's always a dangerous thing to say. >> isn't it any worse? but look at the ones that are already nationalised. southeastern northern london, north eastern railway, caledonian sleeper, transpennine express, they're all nationalised. >> well, joining us now is the director of public policy and communications at the institute of economic affairs , matthew of economic affairs, matthew letch. matthew, thank you very much for joining

letch. matthew, thank you very much forjoining us on the show, much for joining us on the show, i'll start by just asking you the basic question. is it a good idea ? idea? >> look, i think labour's nationalisation plans risk being a complete and total disaster. it's worth remembering that the trains have been nationalised before they were nationalised post—war. and we saw a huge dive in passenger numbers in the quality of services. now they were privatised post 1995 and since then there's been a doubung since then there's been a doubling in passenger numbers to 2019 to over a 1.5 billion passenger journeys. 2019 to over a 1.5 billion passengerjourneys. now 2019 to over a 1.5 billion passenger journeys. now you 2019 to over a 1.5 billion passengerjourneys. now you can passenger journeys. now you can contrast this actually quite interestingly with the tube. the tube remains in public ownership and the passenger numbers didn't go anywhere near as quickly compared to commuter rail or compared to commuter rail or compared to commuter rail or compared to long distance rail. when you start diving into labour's plans, i think it gets a bit farcical here. they're promising all these magical savings and they're going to get rid of bureaucracy. what they're actually doing is creating massive new bureaucracies. they're creating this great british railways , which will be

british railways, which will be responsible for managing the entire network, and it will somehow be all knowing and all seeing, and it'll be perfect at its job. and if that wasn't enough, they're creating another new bureaucracy. a passenger , new bureaucracy. a passenger, representative, another quango to watch the first quango to make sure the, the first quango doesn't, screw up. so, i mean, i get really worried about these plans because labour promises a lot. they say they're going to sort out things like the union strikes. they're going to make sure that the system is living with passengers, that that fares don't go up. there's a lot of big promises there, but it's not clear how they can deliver it. and it seems obvious to me that you're going to end up having more problems and more disruption on the railways if they are centralised. you can be more power to. the unions will be able to strike across the entire network anytime they like, to get more demands out of it. you're not answering questions about where all this investment is going to come from, especially since we know there's limited resources fiscally from the government. so high promises. and i think people hope a lot out of these plans. but it's not clear. you know, we heard earlier, well, it couldn't be worse. i think it definitely can be worse. and that could be the result of these plans completely .

these plans completely. >> take your point, on bigger full national strikes, certainly. that's a risk here. but but are we at risk of overegging what's actually happening? this isn't going back to the bad old days of complete british rail nationalisation. this is franchises being taken one by one. a great number of franchises are already run by the government. now people can make their own views as to whether , southeastern is it whether, southeastern is it works particularly well or not. run by the government as things stand. but, the question is, is this actually that big a pledge? will things actually change all that much? we were looking at some pictures there of that blue train going out of king's cross station called lumo. that's what's known as an open access carrier. that one actually won't be nationalised under labour's plans . they're going to leave plans. they're going to leave that one still private. so are they actually going to change all that much ? all that much? >> well, the first major change, which everyone's very excited

about, in fact, the conservatives are going to do as well, which is to rebrand everything. so you're not going to have southeastern or northern, you're just going to have one brand for the railways. what that means in practice, i think you're right, is not particularly much. they're going to be painting some new livery onto the existing trains, you're right, there are some elements that will remain private. this is actually annoyed. some on the left, the labour party , the left, the labour party, the rolling stock, the trains themselves will still be privately owned because the government doesn't want to have to put forward the upfront cash to put forward the upfront cash to invest into it. and thankfully, labour also won't be getting rid of the existing open access providers . now, what access providers. now, what worries me is open access is fantastic. you're right, lumo has been a big success. it's not going to be nationalised. it will continue operating. but that's really the model i think labour should be adopting . it labour should be adopting. it should be a pro—competition model rather than having a big national operator and then allowing a few open access. >> matthew operators here and there. i guess the challenge to thatis there. i guess the challenge to that is how much real competition can we have on the railways? we only have a certain amount of infrastructure that we can have . we can't necessarily

can have. we can't necessarily have competing rail lines going to the same place. is there a limit on the amount of competition? >> look, it's clearly not limitless and there are different ways to set up your railway systems, you know, in order to encourage competition. ian, i think we could certainly have more competition and more operators than we currently currently do. i mean, we've seen the franchise system was basically, for the most part, giving a monopoly to one operator on a line and then them using already notably nationalised infrastructure that didn't operate that well. nobody thinks that was a particularly fantastic model for the railways. it seems clear to me that a much better model would be to have have more competition, have more competitors , even if on the same competitors, even if on the same lines, you can operate trains at different times and allow competing and bidding to operate trains across the network. that sounds a bit complicated everywhere, but it certainly could . well, it's complicated, could. well, it's complicated, but it's no more complicated than the state taking it all over and thinking that it knows best about how to operate the system, and that it can do so

efficiently. >> yes, it's the model of open access. >> yes, it's the model of open access . isn't the experience the access. isn't the experience the lumo trains, those new blue ones, they run on the same lines. the, eastern mainline. they run, on the same lines as lnen they run, on the same lines as lner, but just at different times, and then they compete with each . i suppose you could with each. i suppose you could treat it like you do airport runways , because it's not just runways, because it's not just one plane that gets to fly on the runway. lots of different companies can fly on the same runway . and i think that's runway. and i think that's exactly right. we should think about airlines as a big success in competition. we have have different airlines providing a different airlines providing a different quality of service at all sorts of different price ranges. you could have a similar situation on the railways as well . and we see with lumo that well. and we see with lumo that at times that they're running trains , the prices tend to be trains, the prices tend to be lower on lner as well. so it also results in lower passenger costs at the same time. so it's win win now i think i think you're right emily. it's not going to operate perfectly everywhere all the time, but it should certainly be i suppose

the ideal we work towards creating a national operator, i think, does the opposite though, because the government won't want too many open access operators competing with its own services. yeah. and therefore i think there'll be big incentive not to have more open access, even if in theory, you can have some open access. >> very interesting indeed. thank you for joining >> very interesting indeed. thank you forjoining us. thank you for joining us. matthew lesh from the institute of economic affairs . good to get of economic affairs. good to get your take on all this. yes. i was just thinking that it would be rather difficult to have multiple different, you be rather difficult to have multiple different , you know, multiple different, you know, train operators on the same lines. i mean, be a lot of fighting over which times they get right. i want the 801. i want the 801. i know this company wants the 801. well, and who decides why not a new train every ten minutes? >> okay, that'd be great. >> okay, that'd be great. >> well, you know , maybe that's >> well, you know, maybe that's the answer. let us know what you think. oh, how about this? >> why don't we build some more railway track? >> all right, all right. straight through a village near you. that's what tom wants. straight through your village. straight through your village. straight through your back garden. >> that's what the japanese do. they can privately fund the tracks because they'll. they'll build the tracks out somewhere. >> one company through an apartment block, and then

they'll. >> and then they'll build sort of a hotel to next a station. they'll the land value will rise because it has transport connections to it. and that funds the whole track. no taxpayer money harmed. >> well, what we do know is that the situation as it is now is not sustainable, particularly for the% let us know if you even use the trains anymore. they are viciously , fiercely expensive. viciously, fiercely expensive. gbnews.com/yoursay >> well, when we come back, we're going to we're going to be going live to wales to get the very latest on that school stabbing that left three injured. more on that. after this

good afternoon. britain. just coming up to ten minutes to two. now. yesterday a welsh school was sent into code red. lockdown

after two teachers and a student were stabbed. >> yes . it has were stabbed. >> yes. it has been reported that a teacher restrained a teenager after the attack. a teenager after the attack. a teenager has since been arrested . but leaving this to one side, there are questions now about teacher safety in schools and the growing problem or seemingly growing problem of violence in our schools . our schools. >> well, joining us from the almond valley school in carmarthenshire , near where the carmarthenshire, near where the incident happened, is gb news reporter jack carson, jack, what's the very latest ? what's the very latest? >> yeah. well, good afternoon to you both. the very latest that we've got here is that those three people, two, teachers and a teenage pupil that were stabbed in an incident here at the school yesterday have now all been discharged from hospital. some of the wounds that the teachers have suffered, colleagues have said, meant that they are lucky to be alive. but we got the confirmation yesterday that they were non—life threatening injuries. thankfully, after this horrific incident and now they have been

discharged from hospital. now cid are now leading the investigation here at the scene , investigation here at the scene, you can probably just see a police car entering the grounds behind me as these investigations continue. still, some forensic evidence collection to be done. still general evidence collection to be done here at the school so that the police, of course, can can collect that all that evidence and bring that investigation , and continue that investigation, and continue that we know of course, the teenage girl still remains in custody and still being questioned by police after the incident yesterday, they arrested her on suspicion of attempted murder. and as you were saying, we heard about the heroics of daryl campbell , about the heroics of daryl campbell, who's about the heroics of daryl campbell , who's went to the campbell, who's went to the school himself as a child, but trying to not call himself a hero. he allegedly went and tried to break apart the alleged attack attacker. of course, dunng attack attacker. of course, during the incident, and it's reported that actually put them in an arm lock until police arrived and safety. he had actually retired, but came back to the school as part of leading

and being part of the pastoral care team . now, the two teachers care team. now, the two teachers themselves, one of them was a drama and welsh teacher, fiona euas drama and welsh teacher, fiona elias and liz hopkin as well, who's a teacher at the school here who helps with the special educational needs students. they were the ones that were involved in confirmed to be involved in this attack . and speaking this attack. and speaking yesterday outside the school here, superintendent ross evans spoke to media. >> i'm aware that there is footage circulating on social media and i would ask that this is kindly removed to preserve the integrity of the ongoing investigation and to avoid further distress to those involved . this was a very involved. this was a very distressing incident and our thoughts are with the victim's police presence. >> well, of course, this was a huge shock to the community here, very much still trying to come to terms with exactly how this incident happened. one councillor this morning saying that this county council has spent a lot of money to put

gates and fences on outside the school to try and protect the pupils inside. little did. would you ever think of a situation like this where actually the dangeris like this where actually the danger is not from the outside, it's from inside the school itself. but the headmaster, james durbridge , praised the james durbridge, praised the staff and pupils for what he called a calm and mature response to the lockdown. we know that there was an announcement over the tannoy saying code red lockdown. some pupils calling their mums and dads are screaming down the phone, reportedly saying you know, there's been a stabbing at the school. they had to wait until 320 yesterday for the school to come out of lockdown. and interestingly as well, one of the governors at the school, is says that it's a big concern actually for the future of teaching. he says teaching is now a very dangerous job, and he said, you looked up to a teacher in my time. he doesn't believe that's still the for case some of the pupils around the country. but the investigation here at the school does continue. >> thank you very much indeed . >> thank you very much indeed. jack carson there outside the school in wales where there was that , triple stabbing. i mean,

that, triple stabbing. i mean, it does raise a lot of questions. our teachers safe in our schools, our other pupils safe in our schools. what on earth is going on? do we need metal detectors? it wasn't so long ago that sadiq khan, the mayor of london, was proposing schools across the capital had metal detectors. >> but perhaps it's not just a london thing. >> yeah, clearly not clearly not wales as well, i mean, extraordinary i mean, is it really the case that now teaching is a physically dangerous job? i hope not, it does seem that there was that hero teacher who intervened, although he was a retired and he was back in. yeah, but we'll be right back because. humza yousaf has proclaimed new beginning after terminating the snp's coalition with the scottish greens. is it a new beginning or is it the beginning of the end this good afternoon britain. we're on gb news, britain's news channel. stay with us. we're going to get more reaction to what's been happening in scotland, the collapse of the scottish government. what happens. next?

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news. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 2:00 on thursday, the 25th of april. scots government collapsed. >> humza yousaf has been labelled a lame duck leader after his power sharing agreement with the greens fell apart. the first minister says this is a new beginning. others say it's the beginning of the end. >> full steam ahead. labour says they'll renationalise the railways if they're if they're in power. but, do you trust keir starmer to run the trains on time? and crucially, will it make the blindest bit of difference to ticket prices and are our schools safe following the awful stabbing we saw yesterday in wales, which resulted in two teachers in hospital, are our schools safe enough for pupils and teachers ? enough for pupils and teachers? and campus clash shocking scenes in the united states as more arrests are made across university campuses. pro—palestine student rallies seem to be spiralling out of

control. now there seems to be some confusion amongst those on gbnews.com/yoursay as to whether it was the greens who abandoned the power sharing agreement, the coalition agreement, or if it was the snp that kicked them out. and the truth is, it's sort of a bit of both, somewhere in between, because the greens were undergoing a democratic process to ask whether they would or not leave this agreement. and halfway through that democratic process, there comes mr humza yousaf saying, no, sorry guys , yousaf saying, no, sorry guys, you're out. >> well, because we're talking about this in terms of what it means for humza yousaf and what it means for the snp, but what does this mean for the scottish greens? i mean , they had some greens? i mean, they had some power, didn't they? and now now they have nothing. >> no, although they might argue in terms of government anyway, they might argue that the

agreement that they reached the bute house coalition agreement was perhaps not being so adhered to because , of course, part of to because, of course, part of that agreement was the self—id gender recognition stuff. well, they did pass that, but then it got cancelled and they're not now pursuing it again. the greens got angry over that, but then the greens got angry with a second u—turn from humza yousaf over green targets by 2030. now abandoned. that really did rile them up, but there may well be people within the snp who are happy that this coalition of sorts has come to an end. >> a juddering halt because they didn't approve of those. there are people within the snp, those who backed kate forbes remember to be the leader, who don't agree with any of those green policies. scottish greens policies, particularly on the gender stuff , and there are lots gender stuff, and there are lots of snp seats up in the up in the north—east of scotland, around aberdeen and the oil and gas industry where that employs so many people and creates so much wealth. >> well, the greens want to shut

that all down. if you're an snp politician in that part of the world, you might be thinking, thank goodness we've got rid of this ball and chain, but now humza yousaf does not have a majority in parliament and he'll struggle to find the votes. he'll have to ask other parties, opposition parties to pass his own legislation . yes. own legislation. yes. >> and they may not be feeling awfully generous, but let us know your assessment of what's happening north of the border in scotland. gbnews.com forward slash your say. i know lots of you are in scotland and you have strong views on how the snp has managed , the scotland with its managed, the scotland with its policy agenda . let us know policy agenda. let us know gbnews.com/yoursay is the way to get in touch. but let's get the headunes. headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 2:03. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . your top story this newsroom. your top story this houn newsroom. your top story this hour. the government says more people should be using britain's trains. despite widespread dissatisfaction with the services, labour is promising to

establish a publicly owned network led by rail industry experts , ensuring efficient and experts, ensuring efficient and accountable services without burdening taxpayers. the government commissioned an independent review into railways independent review into railways in 2018, but little has changed since then. transport secretary mark harper says the network is still recovering from covid lockdowns. big >> the big thing we're still having to deal with is the impact of the pandemic. the rail industry at the moment is financially not sustainable. at the moment, the only route to solving that is to use the private sector innovation , the private sector innovation, the stuff they demonstrated they could deliver when we privatised them, when they doubled passenger numbers. we've got to get more people using railways. that's the only way they become financially sustainable. >> there's nothing in labour's plans that's going to deliver that. plans that's going to deliver that . quite the reverse. that. quite the reverse. >> what the scottish conservatives are calling for a vote of no confidence in humza yousaf . it's after the snp's yousaf. it's after the snp's power sharing deal with the

greens collapsed this morning, leaving mr yousaf in charge of a minority government. he told media a short time ago that ending the agreement represented a new beginning for the snp. a former top executive at the post office says she is truly sorry for the devastation caused to wrongly convicted subpostmasters as the ongoing inquiry is examining governance , redress examining governance, redress and how post office and other responded to the it scandal. angela van den bogaert says she hopes her evidence will give people the answers they deserve, saying sorry and no doesn't change what happened. >> but i do want to say to everyone impacted by wrongful convictions and wrongful contract terminations that i am truly, truly sorry for the devastation caused to you, your family and friends. i hope my evidence will assist this inquiry with getting to the answers you and so many others deserve . deserve. >> in other news, donald trump

says that us presidents must be immune from the threat of prosecution . he spoke to those prosecution. he spoke to those gathered outside a court in new york. this morning as his hush money case continues. it's a big day for the former president. in a separate case, the us supreme court will hear arguments later for why he should be immune from charges related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election. >> we have a big case today in the supreme court on presidential immunity, a presidential immunity, a president has to have immunity. if you don't have immunity, you'll just have a ceremonial president. you won't have a. you knew about the payments . so we knew about the payments. so we made a big, very big thing. >> very big. keir starmer did you know about now the system of grading schools with one word judgements should stay. >> that's according to the department of education. the government says grades such as outstanding or inadequate provide significant benefits and give parents a succinct summary of schools . the grading system of schools. the grading system came under scrutiny following the death of head teacher ruth

perry, who took her own life after a report downgraded her school. her sister, julie walters , says the government's walters, says the government's response is woefully inadequate . response is woefully inadequate. a stabbing at a school in wales yesterday was reportedly halted when a heroic teacher intervened, placing the attacker intervened, placing the attacker in an arm lock. amman valley school was put into lockdown yesterday when a student allegedly attacked two teachers and a pupil. there injuries are not life threatening, daryl campbell, a teacher and chairman of a local rugby club, reportedly disarmed the alleged attacker, putting her in an arm lock until emergency services arrived. the school will remain closed today while forensic teams investigate the suspect remains in custody and the number of shoplifting offences recorded by police in england and wales has risen to the highest level in 20 years. over 430,000 offences were logged by forces last year. that's up more than a third on the year before. it's the highest figure since

current records began, according to the office for national statistics, which described the latest increase as notable. it comes after major retailers raised concerns about the rising cost of theft and the famous red windmill on top of the moulin rougein windmill on top of the moulin rouge in paris, plummeted to the ground overnight night. early visitors were stunned this morning to find the landmark broken into pieces on the street. the theatre is currently investigating the cause, though it's not believed to be deliberate . since opening in deliberate. since opening in 1889, it's become one of the most popular destinations in paris, inspiring the 2001 film and a stage musical currently playing in london. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts now it's back to tom and .

back to tom and. emily. >> thanks, severe. now, welcome back to good afternoon britain. >> indeed. we're on gb news now . >> indeed. we're on gb news now. is humza yousaf a lame duck leader? that's the claim from scottish conservative leader douglas ross, who has announced his party is tabling a motion of no confidence in the first minister. >> presiding officer, i can confirm today that on behalf of the scottish conservatives, i am lodging a vote of no confidence in humza yousaf . in humza yousaf. >> he is a failed first minister. he has focused on the wrong priorities for scotland. he has governed in the snp's interests and not in scotland's interests. he is unfit for office. shouldn't this be the end of the road for this week? first minister? >> well, meanwhile , scottish >> well, meanwhile, scottish labour have called for a fresh election in scotland and all this comes after the first minister, of course, pulled the plug minister, of course, pulled the plug on his party's power sharing agreement with the scottish greens , meaning now he

scottish greens, meaning now he runs a minority government that after a series of disagreements over policy. >> yes. so when asked if his decision to u—turn on this continuing pact with the greens shows he's weak, yousaf said quite the opposite. it shows leadership . i've got to make leadership. i've got to make sure i do what's in the best interest of scotland. >> however, scottish greens co—leader lorna slater says that this is an act of political cowardice by the snp, ending the agreement in such a weak and thoroughly hopeless way . thoroughly hopeless way. >> well, there you go, two sides of the coin. so could this spell the end for humza yousaf? >> well, we're joined now by the political reporter at the scottish sun, lewis mckenzie and lewis. did anyone see this coming today ? coming today? >> it was certainly a shock. >> it was certainly a shock. >> it was certainly a shock. >> it seemed to happen very quickly. i think there was talks perhaps last night and there was an emergency cabinet meeting at bute house, which is the first ministers official residence in edinburgh early this morning,

patrick harvie and lorna slater, the co—leaders of the scottish greens , were there. greens, were there. >> they spoke with humza yousaf for and first minister had a meeting of his cabinet shortly afterwards . afterwards. >> but to say it's been a chaotic day at holyrood and we seem to have quite a lot of those of late, would be a bit of an understatement. >> absolutely. there does seem to be an awful lot of chaos in scotland at the moment. what are your thoughts on this tory vote of no confidence? i see that the liberal democrats are already on side. do you think they'll get the greens on side? do you think they'll get the labour party on side? >> there might be some work still to do on that, i think, obviously i think the conservatives are looking to capitalise on the difficulties that humza yousaf is facing today, certainly it was a very tumultuous first ministers questions today and i think that humza yousaf claims that his decision today shows leadership and will be sort of mocked by his rivals today, just days after he had defended the

agreement and ruled out a vote for snp members on it. >> now, of course, anas sarwar, the leader of the scottish labour party, has said that this means that an election must surely now come. i suppose we're not expecting one in any short order, but if humza yousaf can't get a budget through , if he get a budget through, if he fails at some significant pieces of legislation now that he doesn't have a majority, surely an early election is now possibility. >> i mean, i think humza is in a very difficult position, one of the things that he made the point of that first minister questions today was he tried to reach out to political opponents and urge them to sort of come together , suggest their own together, suggest their own ideas and seek to work with the scottish government. but i think, that is not going to be easy to achieve when, for much of the time that the greens and snp have been government, they've sort of been quite dismissive towards political opponents and the chamber at holyrood. so i think that is

going to be a big struggle for humza yousaf now going forward. and i think of course labour will be interested in election because polling at the moment for them in scotland has them ahead of the snp and going into the general election, obviously, which we expect perhaps later this year . which we expect perhaps later this year. and so they are in a strong position. and again, i think rivals of the snp at the moment will want to capitalise on the sort of chaos that's happening today. >> and have you got any insight into what other snp members are making of all this? are there any backbenchers perhaps , who any backbenchers perhaps, who are actually in support of this move from humza yousaf ? because move from humza yousaf? because of course, many disagreements, as you say, over policy , i think as you say, over policy, i think there's several. >> and one of the most prominent has been fergus ewing. >> he's been speaking to journalists this afternoon at the parliament, and he was a minister and previously in the scottish government. he's a bit of a veteran msp, here, and he has been very outspoken on, in terms of his opposition against the greens and kate forbes, who ran against humza yousaf last

year for the snp leadership, has also made clear her views on on the agreement, so i think a lot of people within the snp , of people within the snp, perhaps they won't come out and say it as much, but i think there might be some relief amongst some in the snp that this agreement has been dropped, but perhaps for some they might have want it done a bit sooner. >> and yet , undoubtedly have want it done a bit sooner. >> and yet, undoubtedly humza yousafs position is now weaker than it was yesterday. he's taken a real reputational blow on top of all of the other scandals that the snp has been involved in. is there any chance that there'd be a leadership challenge within the snp? >> i mean, i wouldn't be surprised if there's people within the party that are looking at the state of affairs. >> they'll look at the polling, which already has snp in a difficult position . i mean, difficult position. i mean, they've not really got their troubles to seek. so i think this again today is just another sort of day of, of drama for the

snp and bad headlines for humza yousaf . yousaf. >> and i think it really is an uphill struggle for him. i mean, i think it probably needs to be said that he did inherit a bit of a mess from nicola sturgeon and the bute house agreement was signed by her in 2021. >> humza had decided to continue that when he won the leadership election, so he has inherited a lot of these problems in many ways, but , i don't lot of these problems in many ways, but, i don't think he's sort of helped himself by styling himself as the continuity candidate as he did when he leadership. >> well, thank you very much indeed. lewis mckenzie , indeed. lewis mckenzie, political reporter at the scottish sun. great to speak to you . shall we get the thoughts you. shall we get the thoughts of the former snp councillor, austin sheridan, austin humza yousaf , nice to speak to you, yousaf, nice to speak to you, humza yousaf is very keen to , humza yousaf is very keen to, present this move as a sign of strength. a sign of political leadership. of course, the scottish greens think this is actually a sign of political cowardice . cowardice. >> yeah. so the truth is, the

truth is going to be. and humza says that this is going to allow the snp to be more flexible with its approach to government. however, the parliamentary arithmetic and the scottish parliament, which is that that's not going to be likely. parliament, which is that that's not going to be likely . and my not going to be likely. and my personal opinion, the scottish green party are the only viable party that the snp can work with, you may be aware that the scottish greens next month are intending to debate and allow members to vote, and whether they wanted to continue with the agreement or not. they attraction for the greens to withdraw from the bute house agreement. the attraction for them is that they believe it would actually give them more power, over budgets and would allow them more power and, you know, to get through more , of know, to get through more, of the kind of policies that they wish to implement. so i'm not entirely sure that those that are celebrating the end of the bute house agreement are actually going to get what they wish for, because it's clear that the tories, are not going to work with the snp . labour are to work with the snp. labour are not going to work with the snp because the snp and labour are

competing for the same ground, and the liberal democrats, especially under the leadership hamilton in the scottish parliament, is very much anti snp . so the only political party snp. so the only political party for the snp is the scottish greens. so for me it didn't make any political sense to carry out the actions that the first minister has done. however we're going to have to wait and see what he produces after this. >> that's a really interesting point. perhaps the greens shouldn't be as despondent as they appear to be today , because they appear to be today, because they're the only ones who could possibly for vote snp legislation going forward, their influence growing going forward rather than diminishing. it's hard to see. however, judging by the statements of what the co—leaders of the scottish green party have been saying today that they they don't seem in a mood to be wanting to help out humza yousaf. i mean, there is a path that we can see to an early election here. >> i don't think that in the mood, because potentially the

way that it's been handled. i mean, i think that, you know, the scottish greens , were will the scottish greens, were will have their own debate next month within their own party. i think it would have been sensible for humza yousaf to have opened up this debate within the snp and allowed snp members to decide, and snp members had voted , you and snp members had voted, you know, to end the agreement or of green members voted to end the agreement. then the agreement could have been finished and a more armour, an amicable manner. however, because humza yousaf settled just to take the snap decision on his own , he he's decision on his own, he he's clearly left the green group and feeling very aggrieved and how they've been treated. and yes, it does does mean it's going to make things a bit more difficult , especially when it comes to, to the vote of no confidence . to the vote of no confidence. now, what i'm confident in is i believe that in the end, the greens may they may abstain, and humza yousaf will win the confidence vote, however, there's certainly going to have to be a lot of making up to the. because at the end of the day,

for us to get legislation through for us to get our budget through for us to get our budget through alfthan being perfectly honest with you, the scottish green party are the only viable party that i can see at the moment that the snp can work with, and that's going to be the difficulty going forward. >> thank you very much indeed. austin sheridan, former snp councillor. thanks for speaking to us this afternoon , yes. made to us this afternoon, yes. made his life very difficult. but if the greens were going to break this up anyway in a matter of, a couple of weeks. yeah then, you know, better off out before you're before you're booted out, i guess. >> but coming up, labour say they're going to take the railways back into state ownership if they're elected into government. but is nationalisation going to make things better and could it make things better and could it make things more expensive . well this things more expensive. well this is good afternoon britain on gb news britain's election .

channel. >> well, you've been getting in touch about what's happening in scotland in particular, marianne's not impressed with the snp's record. she says the snp are failing scotland in every aspect. more poverty. they're failing in education, health, life expectancy, drugs, homelessness , freedom of speech, homelessness, freedom of speech, economy. none of their policies seem to serve the scottish people, she says. >> well, john says humza has demonstrated the effects of puberty. blockers can be reversed . but four days after reversed. but four days after the snp or the scottish nhs stopped puberty blockers, humza has finally grown a pair and got rid of the greens. >> oh my god tom. goodness me, well, lynn says again. scotland's been badly led by the shocking snp. complete chaos in scotland . the greens would be no scotland. the greens would be no loss and mick is just enjoying enjoying what's happening. he says it's brilliant watching the snp implode. more popcorn please. so there you go . let us please. so there you go. let us know if you are a fan of humza yousaf and you are a fan of the

snp in scotland. >> yeah, well just lastly, alister says can you explain what will happen if the vote of no confidence in humza yousaf is successful ? well then he is successful? well then he is removed as first minister. and the way that first ministers are appointed in scotland , new first appointed in scotland, new first minister is they have to be elected by the parliament. the parliament nominates the first minister and then, then the monarch appoints the first minister, but it's hard to see how, any other member of the scottish parliament could get a majority of votes in the scottish parliament to become first minister, the snp would probably have to try and nominate someone else with green support. are they going to be able to find that? >> so it's not going to be an easy process if that's what happened. >> well, it could have to be an election. yeah >> well, in other news, can you trust labour to run the country's railways in one of the biggest, at least most visible election pledges so far? >> the shadow transport secretary, louise haigh, is promising to nationalise rail services one by one, a policy

that she actually revealed right here on gb news back in january . here on gb news back in january. >> we've got a plan to fix the railways as a whole , which railways as a whole, which include which involves bringing operators into public ownership, but that will actually bring significant savings . our significant savings. our railways are really wasteful at the moment because they're so fractured . and i'll be saying fractured. and i'll be saying out plans actually, in just 2 or 3 weeks time, that we'll demonstrate how we'll save money and how that money could be a whole network railways to bring those operators into public ownership, and all of them. absolutely. within the first terms of a labour government. >> well, there we go. that's what she said back in january. fast forward to today. she doubled down on the plan, saying it will save the taxpayer billions because privatisation isn't working. >> but the transport secretary, mark harper, doesn't think it will improve passengers actual experiences. >> it's an unfunded plan that they've got. they've got no idea how to pay for it , and also the how to pay for it, and also the other thing i think is nothing in it that's going to improve services for passengers. the other thing that people need to understand is what are the

damage that will be done by angela rayner's plan to reverse all our trade union legislation? you're going to go back to french style wildcat strikes with no notice. one of the things that's contributing to the unreliability of services on the unreliability of services on the railways are the strikes that are being called. there's a fair pay offer on the table for aslef. they should put it to their members. it's not surprising the unions have welcomed labour's plans , puts welcomed labour's plans, puts them back in the driving seat. well, is that right? will it embolden the unions? >> i can, i can imagine a world in which it does. but let's get the view now of the commercial manager for west coast railway, james shuttleworth . now, james, james shuttleworth. now, james, the west coast partnership ship there are known to people as avanti west coast. the franchise is up in 2026. are you looking forward to under a labour government that that franchise being taken over by the government? >> i think you might be getting the wrong end of the stick there. as far as west coast railways is concerned, we're an open access operator. i mean, i hear what you say about, event,

avanti, but i have been looking just to sort of guide you back into what we were talking about, i don't see very much exciting, if one could even call it that . if one could even call it that. in labour's grand announcement, i'm with the transport secretary on this. i don't i don't see really the point of what they're trying to say other than they want to control it all. and it's fully funded and it's going to be wonderful for all the passengers. well, i mean, we've heard it all before. >> i mean, james, what what is clear is that people aren't happy with the current service. lots of people getting in touch today saying that the price of their fares has skyrocketed in just a matter of a couple of years. this can't all be to , years. this can't all be to, down you know, the pandemic and those sort of freak incidents. should you say this is a long term problem with the way the railway is run, isn't it? >> yes. and i mean, looking at it from the, from a, an open

access point of view. we're an unsubsidised company, but looking at the other businesses, the railway has become unaffordable and the costs have gone up, i mean, for example, my mother in law was i live in derbyshire, and my mother in law was travelling up to perth . it was travelling up to perth. it was travelling up to perth. it was a £200 round trip, it's a lot of money. and i think now people have now seeing, not seeing the boom of the virgin trains and, great northeast and sea containers back in the late 90s, early 2000s. you know, the franchise model worked at the time when there was a boom in passenger numbers. i think now we're seeing a very expensive railway and we're seeing possibly, as it stands at the moment, the worst of all possible , mixtures. and i don't possible, mixtures. and i don't think any of these proposals improve on that. >> and yet the proposals leave open access operators to operate as they do today . can we really

as they do today. can we really describe it as a sort of wholesale nationalisation , when wholesale nationalisation, when there will be some competition remaining on the railways, and perhaps it will encourage more open access operators to come on stream ? stream? >> well, that's one way of looking at it. but i think, you know, putting nationalised asian into any, any document will ap will appease will be an attempt to appease labour's paymasters . to appease labour's paymasters. i don't think it's actually going to that nationalisation will be the answer to anything. again when it needs to be looked at. i mean as you as, as one says, you've got network rail which is in all in all intents and purposes is a it's a government body , the government body, the coordination is difficult when you have independent but independently owned bodies. i can grant you that . which of can grant you that. which of course is what, gbr. great british railways was proposed to be set up and, i mean, they're

really only following in again on what is already in, in the system , you know, that a bill system, you know, that a bill has been put forward, for great, great british james, a few people getting in touch as we're talking, saying that, it won't be the labour party running the railways . railways. >> it will be the unions, but it does seem that the unions are already quite emboldened. could they be more intransigent if there were more nationalisation? >> well , i there were more nationalisation? >> well, i think i mean, as as your previous speakers have said on there, you know, i think it gives it gives them more assumed power and yes, even for operators, strikes have been no good for, for us even it's not our, our argument. we have no argument. but, it has certainly made it difficult, particularly when you have signalling strikes. i mean, at the moment, everything seems to be fairly well settled. but again, we go round and round and i think people will remember the bad old days of the 70s as well. >> james james shuttleworth i'm

afraid we're going to have to leave it there, but, thank you very much for joining leave it there, but, thank you very much forjoining us and talking through that issue. really, really appreciate it. yes >> good stuff. well, keep your views coming in on that one. it's interesting to get your takes on what a nationalisation of the railways would actually mean in practice. but coming up following this week's horrific events in wales, is it time to bnngin events in wales, is it time to bring in more safety measures in our schools? and is anti—semitism running rife on us university campuses? there are shocking scenes of the riot police and students protests. all that and more after the news with sophia . with sophia. >> thanks, emily. it's 231. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. first to some breaking news. a court in new york has overturned harvey weinstein's 2020 conviction for sex crimes . 2020 conviction for sex crimes. it's a stunning development for the former top hollywood producer, whose crimes sparked what became known as the metoo

movement. manhattan's district attorney will now decide whether to seek a retrial. there's little chance of him being released, though. he's also serving 16 years for the rape of a woman in a beverly hills hotel . the government says more people should be using britain's trains. despite widespread dissatisfaction with services, labouris dissatisfaction with services, labour is promising to establish a publicly owned network led by rail industry experts , ensuring rail industry experts, ensuring efficient and accountable services without burdening taxpayers. the government commissioned an independent review into railways in 2018, but little has changed since then. transport secretary mark harper says the network is still recovering from covid lockdowns. >> big the big thing we're still having to deal with is the impact of the pandemic. the rail industry at the moment is financially not sustainable. at the moment, the only route to solving that is to use the private sector innovation , the private sector innovation, the stuff they demonstrated they could deliver when we privatised

them, when they doubled passenger numbers. we've got to get more people using railways. that's the only way they become financially sustainable. there's nothing in labour's plans that's going to deliver that . quite the reverse. >> what the scottish conservative are calling for a vote of no confidence in humza yousaf . it's after the snp's yousaf. it's after the snp's power sharing deal with the greens collapsed this morning, leaving mr yousaf in charge of a minority government . scottish minority government. scottish tory leader douglas ross said it was a coalition of chaos that had now ended in chaos. was a coalition of chaos that had now ended in chaos . and for had now ended in chaos. and for the latest story , sign up to gb the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gbnews.com/alerts . gbnews.com/alerts. >> right. well, coming up at 3:00 on gb news, it is martin daubney , martin, tell us what's daubney, martin, tell us what's coming up on your show today.

>> well, as you've been on your show, guys, the labour party are going full steam ahead to renationalise the railways, but it could cost the taxpayer £10 billion. is it just the ticket , billion. is it just the ticket, or are the labour party going down the wrong track next up, we've got a former army officer who's saying rishi sunak £75 billion defence pledge will be torpedoed by the simple fact that this generation are two woke to fight and they don't believe in our country. a recruitment crisis means a lack of boots on the ground mean all these big checks might come to nothing. and an exclusive from gb news, m15 and m16 spies are being told not to shake hands with muslims in case they offend them to use gender neutral toilets and not be on white people only panels. what next? pronouns are forever . that's all pronouns are forever. that's all coming up on my show three till 6 pm. >> goodness me. always varied. always punchy. thank you very much, martin. i'll be tuning in

straight after the show. good to speak to you , now, coming up on speak to you, now, coming up on this show, following this week's horrific events in wales, is it now time to bring in more safety measures in our schools? thinking metal detectors. what else could there be? cctv? >> yeah. know all sorts. well we'll be discussing that

next. good afternoon. britain. it's 2:38 now. yesterday, a welsh school was sent into a code red lockdown after two teachers and a student were stabbed . a student were stabbed. >> and in 2014, a leeds teacher and maguire was stabbed to death in her own classroom by a pupil and just last year, a 15 year old boy in tewkesbury stabbed a teacher in a corridor as knife crime amongst teenagers across

england and wales remains an ongoing problem. >> is it time that schools took more precautions for the safety of both teachers and pupils? perhaps with measures such as metal detectors? >> well, we're joined now by the chairman of the campaign for real education and a former nonh real education and a former north london headteacher, chris mcgovern. chris, thank you very much for speaking to us about this. can you speak of any experience of your own when you were a headteacher, was there any violence in the school coming from pupils aimed at teachers , and how was that dealt teachers, and how was that dealt with? if it did happen ? with? if it did happen? >> well, fortunately i was in a school rated outstanding and very popular, we didn't have any serious problems . you know, it serious problems. you know, it wasn't a particularly harsh school in many ways. it's quite a liberal school. but the children knew there was a red line which you didn't cross, and the teaching was good. i generally find that schools where there are problems of ill discipline , they those problems discipline, they those problems denvein discipline, they those problems derive in part from poor

teaching. when children feel that they're being well taught and the curriculum is relevant, they tend to want to get on and want to behave. and that's one of the problems we have in schools, perhaps, is by the age of perhaps 14, a lot of children who aren't academic are doing academic courses when they will be better doing vocational courses , which would mean courses, which would mean something to them. so i have to speak from the fortunate position . no, i didn't position. no, i didn't personally have many problems and if there was a problem, the youngsters knew there was a red line. if they crossed it, they would be in trouble . one, 1 or 2 would be in trouble. one, 1 or 2 occasions i had to suspend a child for a day , but that's child for a day, but that's rather a minimal, issue. i would say , we had 1 or 2 problems with say, we had 1 or 2 problems with mobile phones. this was a long time ago . we just banned mobile time ago. we just banned mobile phones from going beyond the school gate . so, you know, in school gate. so, you know, in any school, someone is in charge. it does help if it's the headteacher. i think i was in charge, so that's why we didn't have so many problems. >> and yet chris, there's a big movement at the moment from local authorities to local authority. there's a big movement among some education activists against excluding pupils and from what i've read,

it seems to be that a very, very small proportion of pupils in a class or in a school can cause a huge degree of disruption . it's huge degree of disruption. it's like it's sort of almost the pareto principle , a very small pareto principle, a very small proportion of, of, of people causing a big proportion of the, issues is why do you think it is that there's this movement against excluding, wouldn't excluding actually be a very useful tool in many of these cases? >> absolutely would. and it's absolutely necessary. in many cases we have seen a slight increase in exclusions. i've sat on local authority exclusion panels and believe me, it's very difficult to get a child excluded . and so when we talk excluded. and so when we talk about a slight increase in exclusions these days, actually it's the tip of the iceberg really. there are a lot of problems in schools. and though l, problems in schools. and though i, you know, personally didn't have enormous problems across the country, there are clearly problems of discipline and there

is a reluctance to exclude pupils. but you're absolutely right. 1 or 2 disruptive pupils can ruin the lives of the future of a large number of children. and can i also add here, you know, we've had this terrible incident in wales and we've had other incidents in the uk, but don't forget a few weeks ago in in finland, which is often regarded as a model society, there was a murder in a school in france. it's terrorism in schools is fairly common. so there is a crisis i think probably in the in the united states, of course, we have shootings. so there is a crisis generally in the west, which you only don't see in, say, in much of asia at all, when there's much more discipline in schools. but we have a problem here. we shouldn't brush it under the carpet. it does exist and it is growing. and parents are right to feel concerned. but for many children, and i've worked with some children from very deprived backgrounds and still do, the school is the one safe place in their lives. they go to school to get away from trouble. unfortunately occasionally these days some of the trouble on the streets does spill over into the

schools. but you know, the schools. but you know, the schools on the whole are doing a good job. and there are some wonderful teachers out there. and as a teacher myself for 35 years, let me just say, you know , it's a fantastic job you are. if you're got a vocation for the job, it's energising. a lot of people talk and teach about, oh, we're all burnt out. no, i have to say, there are many teachers. i myself would be included in that. who found the job energising and do do a great job. but there are issues , of job. but there are issues, of course. there are some burnt out teachers and some schools where discipline is poor are some teachers, perhaps treading on eggshells? is it has it become more difficult in some ways to discipline children in the classroom , lots of rules and classroom, lots of rules and regulations, lots of expectations on the teachers of how they should behave. i mean , how they should behave. i mean, i don't believe you can really. you could be accused of manhandling a child if you were to take a tough approach , to to take a tough approach, to sort of separate children in a fight or whatnot has it become more complicated? >> it has. and it's become much

more woke. you won't even get on the teacher training course. these days unless you sign up for the woke agenda . and so, for the woke agenda. and so, yes, teachers are not so concerned, perhaps, about teaching mathematics or physics, but more concerned about being politically correct, and that they are very conscious and very wary of trespassing into territory which may offend somebody . there's territory which may offend somebody. there's a territory which may offend somebody . there's a lack of somebody. there's a lack of confidence, and that's a severe problem . of course, we need problem. of course, we need leadership. i mean, thank god we have j.k. rowling around because at least she stood up for something and she can do it and do it well . but, you know, we do it well. but, you know, we only just only yesterday the education secretary said , oh, education secretary said, oh, yeah, she's changed her mind now for four years. she she , she for four years. she she, she realises, actually, that these trans women are not actually women at all. and taking her for years. she's a very slow learner . we've got to support our teachers and we've got to give them confidence. but these days , them confidence. but these days, them confidence. but these days, the grip of the teacher training colleges, the university departments is so strong that you won't even get into the classroom unless you sign up the woke agenda. and it's very hard for teachers. then because they are treading on eggshells and, you know , 40% are leaving within

you know, 40% are leaving within five years. and it's very high pressure. but as i say, it is a great job if you can do it. well, there we go. >> and we need more teachers. we have a recruitment and retention issue in this country, as with a lot of things, don't we? thank you so much forjoining us, chris mcgovern. you are the chairman of the campaign for real education and a former north london head teacher. >> it is interesting. it sort of reminds me of what we were talking about a bit earlier in the program, when it came to courtrooms and family courtrooms, how they'd become not disciplined in some ways they'd lost their majesty, their prestige, their wigs, their gowns , and they sort of broken gowns, and they sort of broken down into ill. what are you saying? >> teachers are too scruffy? well, no. >> but perhaps perhaps this argument about sort of a more disciplined, a more sort of regimented world in schools has all sorts of benefits. i mean, it seems to work for katharine birbalsingh, britain's strictest head teacher, or so she's known as. anyway, up next, palestine protests on university campuses in the united states have been slammed for being mob rule. is

anti—semitism being allowed to run rife in the united states on campuses ? the police have been campuses? the police have been in the riot. police have been in making arrests of students, could this actually spread to britain? it's quite extraordinary. the scenes we'll show you in just a minute

all right. it's 249 now. dozens of pro—palestine protesters have. protesters have been arrested on university campuses in the united states after students at columbia university in new york set up encampments urging the college to boycott manufacturers with ties to israel that will sort it all out. >> well, house speaker mike johnson spoke at the campus yesterday calling for the resignation of the university's president, denouncing mob rule and the virus of anti—semitism.

>> yes, many people believe it's being perpetuated, perpetuated, perpetuated around the country's institutions. and it's very much not one university this is going on across the united states . is on across the united states. is anti—semitism becoming rife on college campuses and could we actually run the very real risk of the same thing happening over here? >> well, we're joined now by the israeli american writer and podcaster yaron brook. yaron, thank you for making the time for us this afternoon, this does seem to be a sort of an almost infectious radical wave from campus to campus to campus, that's turning into a partisan fight. >> well, it is, and this is a look, this anti—semitism is not, coming out of nowhere. this is a consequence of what these students are being taught. this is a consequence of curriculum throughout the country that basically demonises success. it's demonises the west. it

demonises , liberal democracies demonises, liberal democracies and holds up as example, the worst type of barbarism of hamas and more broadly of an arab world that has rejected liberal democracy. so these protests are a manifestation, a consequence of what they're being taught in the classroom. this is this is a manifestation of this stuff. the professors are teaching them on a day to day basis, intersectionality and the whole kind of leftist, anti—western civilisation agenda. >> i mean, yaron, there are a lot of students on a whole lot of different campuses in the united states . i'm sure you're united states. i'm sure you're not saying that every single person out there protesting is anti anti—semitic. are you ? anti anti—semitic. are you? >> i'm saying that everyone is protesting is actually sanctioning and supporting evil. thatis sanctioning and supporting evil. that is what do you protesting here? you're protesting for an organisation and these are protests that are pro—hamas. you're protesting for an organisation responsible for rape and murder on october 7th,

you're protesting for a culture that supports authoritarianism . that supports authoritarianism. it supports the throwing off of homosexuals from rooftops. this is what you're supporting is barbarism. now, is every single one of them anti—semitic? probably not. but is every single one of them today innocently or not, supporting a repugnant ideology and a repugnant ideology and a repugnant organisation? absolutely absolutely. and they should be judged accordingly. they are supporting evil and they should be judged as such. i think the weakness of the administration is not that they're not putting out the police and arresting even more people, which they should be. the real weakness is that nobody is willing to judge these demonstrations, these are not demonstrations, these are not demonstrations for something positive . there is nothing positive. there is nothing positive. there is nothing positive that they are advocating for . advocating for. >> yaron, do you think it's possible to be able to protest

for peace in the middle east in a way that is not supportive of hamas, in a way that is not sort of, overtly against the existence of a of a jewish state? >> absolutely. i mean, protest for hamas surrendering in gaza and releasing the hostages is, protest for a palestinian authority that is accepting of a two state solution protest for, you know, liberal democracy in the arab world, protest for, you know, the liberal democrats, if they are indeed winning in the syrian civil war protest for, you know, the monarchy of , of, you know, the monarchy of, of, saudi arabia, democratising its country and liberalising liberalising the state. i mean , liberalising the state. i mean, there are a lot of things you can protest for if you really believe in peace . this is not believe in peace. this is not the way to protest for peace . the way to protest for peace. >> the only party they are. and some are saying that the riot police coming in heavy handedly actually made things a little bit worse . bit worse. >> no, i mean, i think look,

these protests are happening on private universities in colombia is a private university. they have stopped classes. they've literally stopped having classes. you know, you can't disrupt education. 95% of the students on these campuses are not involved in the protests. 95% of these students on the campuses are not supportive of hamas or supportive of what these demonstrators are advocating for. you're disrupting the education of 95% in order to appease a peace. 5, and that is just wrong . and that is just wrong. >> it's a strong case you make, yaron. i'm afraid that's all we've got time for in this interview and indeed on the program. but really appreciate you coming on and talking through that issue. yaron brook, of course, american—israeli podcaster and author. >> yes. that's it from us. >> it is indeed. you've been watching good afternoon britain here on gb news. we're of course, back again tomorrow from midday. but in the meantime , midday. but in the meantime, you've got martin daubney, coming on from 3:00. he'll be with you right after your latest weather update .

weather update. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello again. here's your latest gb news, weather brought to you by the met office. it is going to stay rather cool as we going to stay rather cool as we go through the end of the week, and there will be some more showers to come for most of us as well, because we are still under the influence of an area of low pressure just out in the nonh of low pressure just out in the north sea, bringing a showery theme across the bulk of the country. so more showers as we go through into the evening. perhaps something a bit more persistent. a damp end to the day across parts of the south—east, but that rain will clear away as we go overnight elsewhere, and there will be some showers at times, but also some showers at times, but also some clear skies. and under the clear skies. temperatures are going to take a bit of a dip again. there could be a bit of frost first thing tomorrow morning, and possibly a few pockets of mist and fog too. otherwise, as we go through

friday then something a bit heavier rain wise, pushing into parts of devon and cornwall as we go through the day elsewhere. and on the whole it looks relatively similar to today. really. yes, there'll be a scattering of showers for many of us, but some bright or sunny spells in between the showers . spells in between the showers. despite the sunshine though, sticking with that rather cool theme . temperatures reaching theme. temperatures reaching highs of around 8 or 9 celsius in the north, 13 possibly 14 celsius further south into the weekend. and there will be something a bit more unsettled still to come. outbreaks of rain across central parts don't look particularly heavy on saturday and a few showers further north, but it's on sunday when there's the chance that we could see something a bit heavier in terms of rainfall wise, but we are likely to see our temperatures picking up a little bit as we go into the new week. by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news

news. >> a very good afternoon to you. >> a very good afternoon to you. >> it's 3 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. and we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. >> all across the uk. on today's show, labour are going full steam ahead to renationalise the railways. if they get into power. the shadow transport secretary claims it won't cost the taxpayer a single penny. but critics claim it could cost up to £10 billion. is it just the ticket, or are labour going down the wrong track? snp first minister humza yousaf is facing a no confidence vote after a power sharing deal with the greens went up in smoke due to net zero targets after a torrid first year in power. is the end in sight for the embattled snp leader. next, prince william is out and about in the west midlands today, supporting mental health and homelessness charities. our man, cameron walker went along for the ride

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