of stories at 9:00. well, first of all, to the latest developments from the house of lords, where peers have again pushed back on the government's rwanda plan and demanded mps think again for a fifth time. the house of lords voted to send one change to the draft legislation back to mps, demanding that rwanda won't be treated as safe until an independent monitoring group agrees. it's safe. however, lords have backed down on a second amendment calling for the to bill include an exemption for afghan nationals who assisted british troops. that's after a home office minister said the government will not send afghans who are eligible for settlement in the uk to rwanda . well, in the uk to rwanda. well, tonight's political ping pong comes after the prime minister declared earlier that enough is enough and said mps and peers will sit through the night to get the bill passed . to other get the bill passed. to other news now and to the us, where prosecutors have told a court that donald trump's alleged cover up of a hush money payment

to a porn star did break the law. sparse crowds greeted trump at the new york courthouse despite his call for a nationwide yet peaceful protests. it's the first ever criminal trial of a former us president and comes amid trump's election rematch with joe biden. prosecutors argue his $130,000 payment to stormy daniels deceived voters during the presidential campaign in 2016. donald trump denies any wrongdoing , though the judge had wrongdoing, though the judge had noidea wrongdoing, though the judge had no idea what was happening. >> and this is the same judge that two months ago made a ruling that shook the world. it shook the world because everyone knows going to that trial, i did nothing wrong. and over here i did nothing wrong. also, this is a biden witch hunt to keep me off the campaign trail. a biden witch hunt to keep me off the campaign trail . so far, off the campaign trail. so far, it's not working because my poll numbers are higher than they've ever been, because the public understands that it's a witch

hunt. >> a former parliamentary researcher and another man have been charged with spying for china after an investigation by counter—terrorism police. 29 year old christopher kash and christopher berry, who's 32, have been charged under the official secrets act . both have official secrets act. both have been bailed and will appear at westminster magistrates court on friday. the metropolitan police say the allegations are very serious . thames water is warning serious. thames water is warning bills could skyrocket by more than 40% as it puts forward an investment plan to cover huge funding gaps. the company is struggling to prevent a total collapse of its business amid £15 billion of debt. community secretary michael gove has previously said customers must not be forced to cover the cost of the company's mismanagement. the first statue of queen elizabeth ii to be created since her death, has been unveiled based in oakham in rutland, the seven foot bronze statue is

england's first permanent memorial to her late majesty. created by sculptor howell pratley, it shows the late queen alongside her beloved corgis. it marks what would have been her 98th birthday. those are the top stories, and if you want more on all of those, just sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or you can code on your screen or you can 90 code on your screen or you can go to gb news common alerts. now it's back to ben . it's back to ben. >> nine months and £326,000 of licence fee cash later , star bbc licence fee cash later, star bbc news anchor huw edwards finally resigned on medical advice today amid his sex picture scandal involving a young man, huw edwards. >> the bbc presenter huw edwards is due to leave the bbc damaging for the bbc.

>> well, you can't have the fact that one of the most trusted men in britain turns out really to be not worthy of that trust . be not worthy of that trust. >> edwards was accused of paying the youngster £35,000 in exchange for explicit snaps, and also breaking covid lockdown rules, as he travelled to meet him soon after. other complaints about his behaviour were reported by the bbc itself, including from junior staff members. edwards worked with, and it was left to his wife vicky to tell the nation in july last year that he'd been admitted to a mental health hospital in the wake of the revelations story about huw edwards is a personal one for him and his family. >> he's being treated as an inpatient in hospital, according to his wife, who released a statement just before 6:00 this evening. >> a bbc employee has told us that they received what they believe are inappropriate messages . messages. >> police cleared huw edwards of any criminality but despite being suspended on full pay since then, £36,000 a month of your licence fee, cash . we've

your licence fee, cash. we've still not heard from him. fast forward to today. then, when the bbc said it's accepted his resignation because it would, quote , allow all parties to move quote, allow all parties to move forward. but do these parties referenced include beeb licence fee payers like you at home? the very people who have forked out millions to have edwards on air for four decades. because whilst i wish huw edwards well with his mental health struggles, the bbc is taking the public for mugs. if they think they can sweep this fiasco under the carpet . this fiasco under the carpet. with a resignation and a press release, they've already apologised to the family of the young person involved. a damning 23 page independent report revealed the original complaint from their family was not logged and was escalated to senior management only when the sun newspaper got involved. now, bbc bosses need to release the findings of their internal investigation into edwards. this is what i'm calling for. the one director general tim davie, promised to mps in parliament last year. >> we are in the process of looking at those facts and i would say we're keen to receive any information because we just want to understand anything

that's out there , it's difficult that's out there, it's difficult to give you a precise time on that. >> so that was nine months ago. tim. what did you find? we asked the bbc that very question tonight , but the bbc that very question tonight, but they the bbc that very question tonight , but they stonewalled the bbc that very question tonight, but they stonewalled us with a no comment. this matters because edwards was the corporation's highest paid newsreader , a trusted face of newsreader, a trusted face of the nation, so much so that he was the to man tell britain last year that the queen had died on bbc one. they owe it to licence fee payers to reveal the conclusions of their findings. whether huw edwards is around to cooperate or not, because this comes down to more than just money. we know edwards won't get a payout for his resignation. he is going to get a big fat pension, no doubt, but it's about trust and transparency, something the bbc should be fighting very hard to salvage in light of its scandal ridden history . let's get the thoughts history. let's get the thoughts of my panel. tonight's political commentator suzanne evans, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth , and benjamin butterworth, and political editor at the daily express, sam lister, good

evening to you all. suzanne, let's start with you . the bbc, let's start with you. the bbc, are a public institution . are a public institution. they're funded by licence fee payers. huw edwards was on £430,000 a year. do we have a right to know what's happened with this investigation? if it's been completed, if it hasn't, and where they stand with the complainants ? complainants? >> i think, you know, this story is never going to go away until we actually get to the bottom of what happened. and that report is quite clearly a part of that, huw edwards salary was huge , as huw edwards salary was huge, as you say. it's people who've got very little money who are paying the tv licence fee, i think. yeah, i think they they deserve to know, really. i think the way the bbc has handled the whole thing was atrocious. right from the word go. you might remember we had this witch hunt where basically every male presenter in television who worked for the bbc found themselves having to say, it's not me . everyone was say, it's not me. everyone was put under suspicion. and then eventually, as we've just heard, it was it was hugh edward's own wife who actually eventually, after several days, maybe even over a week of speculation ,

over a week of speculation, actually came out with this, i have some concerns about it, though. i think it was trial by media. i absolutely not a fan of trial by media. i think this is a classic example of that. but i think had the bbc been more open exactly. as you say, ben, they've been ridden with scandal over this. nobody will ever forget the jimmy savile fiasco. they have to be so careful. and this, i'm afraid they handled it really badly . really badly. >> benjamin bosworth, should huw edwards be getting his full pension? he served 40 years at the bbc. that means he's getting a fat slice of his final salary. more than 400 k a year. >> i think with some of these questions, like the question of whether he gets the pension and the fact that he continued to be on full pay since he had to step back from duties , is more of one back from duties, is more of one of employment law. you know, i doubt the bbc will have had much wriggle room about being able to do that. you know, whether you work for the bbc or for any other company, i suspect they would have had to pay him that amount because they hadn't got grounds. >> well, shouldn't they have just sacked him? >> his post? well, that's the

thing. >> he didn't behave illegally. according to the police, he was cleared with two investigations from welsh police and the met police. but there was a question of morality about what he's accused. >> so this is the thing. i think the idea that he shouldn't have to leave because he didn't break the law is a distraction. you know, 99% of people who lose their job for doing something wrong probably haven't broken the law. that's not the barometer of losing your job. now i think the real question in letting him resign on the medical advice dictating that resignation, which we take at face value, we know he was obviously very damaged by what's gone on, is that what did the investigation find? did it find that there was grounds to get rid of him, that he could have been sacked? and this was a diplomatic agreement between huw edwards and the bbc? i think if that's the case, then that probably is an insult to viewers. >> well, we don't know, do we? because they won't they won't release the investigation. they won't tell us if they finished the investigation, they won't say what stage they're at and they won't even say whether huw edwards, despite resigning today, will cooperate with the investigation. sam lister thoughts? >> yeah, i am uncomfortable with the idea of being the morality police. i'm not going to lie to

you on that. i think it's. >> well, hang on a minute. what do you think? i mean, what do you think of what he's been accused of doing? he was accused of sending a young lad, well, paying of sending a young lad, well, paying him £35,000, which ultimately, i guess was licence fee payer cash. it was from his salary, for explicit pictures. he's a married man. he's got kids. so, i mean, it is a question of morality, is it not? >> well, >> well, i >> well, i mean, >> well, i mean, this >> well, i mean, this is a pubuc >> well, i mean, this is a public broadcaster who delivered the news that the queen had died. he's a trusted face of the nation. >> this is true, but i think i do not sit in judgement on others. on their private lives. and i think that's a very tricky road to go down. what my concern with the whole thing is, is like fee payers, people who are forced to pay the licence fee, whether they want to or not, are they getting value for money? are they being treated with respect? that's my only concern here. moral pity is not something that i feel we should be wading into . i mean, if you be wading into. i mean, if you if you go down that road, i doubt you're going to have many people left in any broadcasting studio. well, i hesitate to, i hesitate to i'm pretty vanilla. i think .

i think. >> i think it is important to say that the young person at the centre of this scandal, issued a statement from their lawyer describing his parents account. because, remember, it was his parents or their parents who went to the went to the press in the first place, they said they said it was rubbish . so i again, said it was rubbish. so i again, i think, is there smoke without fire, benjamin. well there is, yes. sometimes i mean, i think the actual sun story about about the actual sun story about about the boy in his parents and going to the sun with the selling pictures. >> i thought that was a deeply ugly spectacle. and i think a lot about that was quite unfair. if you hadn't had that make such a splash, then maybe the other things wouldn't have seen him leave. but there were other questions. there were suggestions that he was behaving inappropriately with people that worked on bbc news shifts, that some of their shifts were being dropped if they stopped engaging with him on a flirtatious bbc newsnight reporter. and i think and i think if that's going on inside the bbc, then that is an abuse of power. and regardless of where you work, that is grounds to lose your job. i think i actually, implausibly, i

agree with sam lister on the morality police, but i think in a way that sun story is a distraction from other things that would have lost your job in that would have lost yourjob in most workplaces. >> yeah, and implausibly, i actually agree with benjamin on the point of, you know, it's the abuse of power side of it that i do have concerns on the morality side of it. i am very unconcerned by. but i'm concerned about abuse of power, and i'm concerned about abuse of licence fee payers money. and i think actually, ultimately , i think actually, ultimately, i don't want to see anybody vilified in because we've all decided that they broke some moral code and, you know, who are these people who are living up to these amazing moral codes? but is he is he on a £400,000 salary for not doing a day's work in the last year? that's a big problem. >> well, yes he is. so yeah. suzanne, 35 grand a month for sitting on his backside and saying that he can't face the allegations that he's been accused of and the bbc investigation. >> this this comes to the heart of what you were saying, ben. if in that report there were grounds to fire him, then he should have been fired. and it should have been fired. and it should he should not have been paid that money without a shadow

of a doubt. because again, i'm going to agree with benjamin. you know, if he if there were grounds to sack him, he should have been fired, not kept going on. >> on one other thing though, you know, the selling pictures, lots of people will find that or buying pictures rather will find that deeply uncomfortable. but do you know what? it's not that uncommon in this day and age with the internet and pornography, what it is, whether you pay pornography, what it is, whether you pay for it specifically, or whether you watch it? i think if that were grounds for losing your job, then there wouldn't be a man in this country that still has. >> no, but i just i just think if you work for a public broadcaster, you were the most famous, most recognisable broadcaster in the land. you're paid a lot of public money. you're married with children. i do think you have a duty to be quite worried by what you just said there. >> yeah. a no man in the country that still have a job. are you all really that bad as species? >> don't look at me. i'm boring as sin. i don't know why you're gonna. >> you're gonna mop up all the jobs when everybody else is sacked. yeah, okay. >> right. great start. suzanne. benjamin. sam, thank you very much. we did approach the bbc

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gb news. patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news coming up with the rwanda bill still being bounced around parliament, is it ultimately doomed to fail? we will find out in the next 40 minutes or so. but first is suella braverman rights that we should ban pro—palestine protests. it's time for tonight's head to head .

time for tonight's head to head. and metropolitan police commissioner sir mark rowley is facing calls to resign tonight after seven months of pro—palestine marches continue continually disrupting the caphal continually disrupting the capital. pressure is now mounting after an officer challenged a counter—protester at a recent march. you've probably seen the video simply for being, quote, openly jewish. >> you are quite openly jewish. this is a pro—palestinian march, right? i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence. you choose to remain here because you are kwasi rachel reeves. >> if i remain here, you were arrested because your antagonising a large group of people that we can't deal with. all of them. >> zero, dear. and after more bungled apologies from the met former home secretary suella braverman suggested a solution to gb news this morning. >> these can no longer be described as peaceful marches that the police themselves believe that there is a threat of anti—semitic violence once anti—semitic attack, and what

they did in that incident was to protect the right of the protesters, to harass and intimidate if they don't have the resources to keep the streets of london safe for everyone to enjoy, then they need to ban the march . need to ban the march. >> and despite refusing to back mark rowley over the weekend, rishi sunak today said i do have confidence in him, but that's on the basis that he works to rebuild the confidence and trust of not just the jewish community but the wider public. two and tonight mark rowley himself has thrown his support behind the officer who made the openly jewish comments praising his professionalism and confirming he will not be disciplined. so tonight i'm asking after the met's latest jewish protester rally and calls for met boss sir mark rowley to resign, should the pro—palestine marches finally be banned, let me know your thoughts by heading to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews and vote in the poll whilst you're there. we'll get

the results very, very shortly . the results very, very shortly. we'll introduce our head to head guest very soon. but first we're going to get the expert's opinion of surrey police and crime commissioner lisa townsend. good evening lisa. thank you for joining townsend. good evening lisa. thank you forjoining me. look thank you for joining me. look let's get straight to it. mark rowley and the met's. this incident with the jewish protester and the video that's done the rounds. it's not the first time we've seen something like this. we have the protesters a few weeks ago complaining that some palestine marchers were holding swastika placards. the met copper was on the video saying, what do you want me to do about it? isn't it time, mark rowley resigned as per suella braverman is calling for . for. >> no, i don't think it is. and i don't think suella is right on on this issue. actually, i don't think she's right on mark rowley, that mark rowley should resign. and i don't think she's right that we should be banning marches. i think there'll be a fundamentally un—british thing to do. however i think and i think the british people do fundamentally back, freedom of speech that includes a right to protest peacefully, i think where where we have a problem with it is where it does intervene in sort of our rights

intervene in sort of our rights in terms of getting around. clearly the metropolitan police , clearly the metropolitan police, and mark rowley need to do more about this. they need to do more about this. they need to do more about dealing with the criminal elements of those marches and the violent element of those marches. but the answer isn't to ban the marches. so lisa, do you think sorry to interject. >> do you think these marches are peaceful? >> no. i think elements that aren't peaceful need to be dealt with, i mean, i've been in london where they've been marching and in other places , marching and in other places, and i've seen them, and there are large elements of it that are large elements of it that are peaceful. i might not agree with, with why they're marching or what they're saying, but i do think they have a right to protest peacefully where they're not doing that. it really is time that the met stepped in. but banning the marches can't be the answer. >> why should jewish people be forced out of london most weekends as, when these people take to the streets week after week, i mean, calling for even the houthi rebels in the red sea for the boats to be turned around, still openly supporting our navy's enemies, calling for infetados, singing from the

river to the sea. why should it be the 300,000 jewish people in the uk who have to go home and shield themselves from this kind of hate? >> well, i'd be honest. i don't think they do have to go home and shield themselves and i don't think they are being forced. >> they're clearly not welcome down at the marches, are they? >> well, you know, we've obviously seen that police officer, i've watched the entire video. some people have seen the entire video, some people are only watching a very short clip of it. it's very clear. i think, to those who are watching the entire video that the intention and we seem to have lost, the point here behind the intention of the officer was to keep that gentleman safe, which as a police officer is his duty. should the marches be putting anybody in a position where they feel uncomfortable? no. and some of the things that you've just described there, where they do reach a criminal threshold, i think the met should be dealing with them. i don't think the met has been nearly good enough at deaung has been nearly good enough at dealing with those issues. >> okay, lisa, let me bring in the editor of conservativehome, harry phibbs good evening. harry. have we got you? you're the local government editor of

conservative home. so let me just clarify that. why should let me just ask you something. if these marches were so peaceful , why wasn't openly peaceful, why wasn't openly jewish? man told to go home and stop walking near them . stop walking near them. >> oh, look, i think it's clearly these. there's been some disgraceful scenes at these marches, and i think it's suella braverman is it? many people have called them hate marches . have called them hate marches. and i think that's fair. there has been incitement to hatred , has been incitement to hatred, and many, jewish people have felt, unsafe in london. and of course, there's a balance between allowing the right to protest and but, but, but the balancing that with the right of the rest of us to go about our lawful business. and it's not just been the palestinian marches, obviously. we've seen, extinction rebellion , for extinction rebellion, for example, and we saw, black lives matter and there's terrible scenes of, of vandalism , and

scenes of, of vandalism, and blocking the roads and the police , but it's okay when the police, but it's okay when the left do it, isn't it, harry? it's okay when the left do it. black lives matter protesters were allowed out during covid. no one batted an eyelid. as soon as the anti—lockdown protesters went out. who? you know, some would call of the right persuasion. they were kettled. they were demonised in the press. >> and that's no , that's >> and that's no, that's absolutely right. of course it was because of the lockdown restrictions. it was it was completely, illegal, the, black lives matter, but they were allowed to go go ahead with, with their very, divisive extremist, message, so, look, i think it's, i think it's a, i think it's, i think it's a, i think it's, i think it's a, i think it's a difficult one. i think it's a difficult one. i think probably what it comes down to is, is the details. i don't think , for example, that don't think, for example, that you should be allowed to have demonstrations outside people's, private homes. i think that's intimidatory. i don't think you should be allowed to have these these sort of high volume

loudhailers outside downing street and whitehall disrupting the processes of government. i think possibly some of these things which we should look at the equivalent to, we have with picketing. do you remember when we used to have mass? i mean, you're too young to remember, but we used to have mass picketing where it was just complete intimidation. if people if people wanted to go into work when there was a strike on then margaret thatcher brought in a restriction to six pickets. so in other words, they were allowed to make their point. they were allowed to make their, views clear, but they weren't allowed to use intimidation through force of numbers. i think there are some of these sort of some of the details we need to work out for the restriction of it. >> okay, lisa, whether you think these are hateful marches or not or, you know, whether jewish people have had enough abuse since march, these marches have cost the british taxpayer £32 million and required 35,000 officer shifts. what about the other crimes we need sorting out in the country? why should they have to be forced to go down to london every weekend to patrol

this lot? >> yeah, i agree, and i think that that is a is a really big issue actually. and that's a really, really important issue, and how we deal with that is an important one. but however, i don't think it should have come at the cost of curtailing freedoms that we hold dear, you know, as british people, i don't think that's the way to do it . know, as british people, i don't think that's the way to do it. i slightly disagree with harry that i don't think it's a difficult one. i think it's actually a fairly straightforward one, which is the police need to be policing, arresting and then si king to the cps for charging when people are crossing that line into a criminal threshold. i think that's really, really important, i don't think the answer is to ban them, but clearly that there are, you know, there are issues here that absolutely need to be deau here that absolutely need to be dealt with. and the cost to the taxpayer is one of them. but it cannot be the answer that we just ban it. >> okay, harry, anything to that ? >> 7- >> oh, i 7— >> oh, i think ? >> oh, i think there has 7 >> oh, i think there has to ? >> oh, i think there has to be there has to be a threshold. and many ordinary police officers are frustrated that they they see these these things taking place and that, that, that they're told not to take part. i

think many senior police officers are given advice from the crown prosecution service that they should just sort of turn up, turn a blind eye to this. it's, you know, it's unacceptable. i think what we should have is a situation where where we have a right to protest andifs where we have a right to protest and it's kept under control, but we can't have, you know, sort of a sort of lynch mob. and then the police saying to people, oh, look, you better, you better keep clear, because otherwise the lynch mob might get angry. we need to we need to have a clear rule of law in this country. and that should be the bafis country. and that should be the basis on which demonstrations take place. and at the moment, there isn't the confidence that we have that rule of law being maintained. >> okay, local government editor of conservative home, harry phibbs and pcc for surrey, lisa townsend, thanks very much. suella braverman made the point, didn't she? she said, why should the jewish person, in this case, the jewish person, in this case, the man from the video, have to move away when he's not the instigator, he's not the aggressor . instigator, he's not the aggressor. deal instigator, he's not the aggressor . deal with the people aggressor. deal with the people in the crowd who are calling him a nazi and scum and whatever else. so who do you agree with? should the pro—palestine

marchers finally be banned? mesonyx maz maz. rather, onyx says, people have had enough. these marches aren't pro—palestine, they're pro anti—semitism, pro terrorism, and a blatant hatred of jews literally rubbing it into their faces every week whilst having police protection. nick says governments shouldn't have the power to stop protests as long as they're peaceful, and jonathan says you should have the right to protest, but you should be able to have one every week for indefinite amounts of time. your verdict is now in wow, 91% of you agree that protests should be banned while 9% of you say they shouldn't. i think you'd call that emphatic. coming up, does channel four's general election line—up exposed their true political class colours and is the saint george's flag racist? 1 in 8 labour voters say it is. media mogul kelvin mackenzie. he hits back shortly. but next, as parliament continue their rwanda back and forth, is there any chance of the landmark bill actually working? tory mp philip davies says absolutely yes. but predictably, former labour party spokesman james matthewson

remains unconvinced. they join me next. don't miss it. this remains unconvinced. they join me next. don't miss it . this is me next. don't miss it. this is patrick christys tonight with me,

gb news. this is patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news. still to come tonight. have channel 4 once again revealed their political bias with their line up for the general election. kelvin mackenzie. he speaks out shortly. but first, the radical rwanda bill has been subject to

parliamentary ping pong for weeks, with the latest vote due to continue late into tonight despite months of delays . this despite months of delays. this is what the prime minister was promising in a press conference earlier today. >> i can confirm that we've put an airfield on standby, booked commercial charter planes for specific slots and we have 500 highly trained individuals ready to escort illegal migrants all the way to rwanda , with 300 more the way to rwanda, with 300 more trained in the coming weeks. >> now, look, i admire his optimism, but he may have a job on his hands . optimism, but he may have a job on his hands. however, with optimism, but he may have a job on his hands . however, with the on his hands. however, with the bill potentially facing indefinite parliamentary ping pong, the government seems unwilling to compromise. while the unelected house of lords is so far refusing to back down. and now , given the unenviable and now, given the unenviable task of defending the government on this, i welcome tory mp philip davies or sir philip, as we should call you. good evening sir. now look, ben , but critics sir. now look, ben, but critics from all across the political spectrum, even our nigel farage said today that this is totally unworkable . hundreds of millions

unworkable. hundreds of millions of pounds. rishi sunak has pushed the deadline back from spnng pushed the deadline back from spring now to ten weeks time. it's not going to work, is it, phil? >> well, we'll have to see. i mean, we'll we can all express an opinion, but we'll know in the fullness of time whether it works or not. it's not a matter of it won't be become a matter of it won't be become a matter of opinion forever. it'll be a matter of fact. but it's got to work. look, we you you've got to have a third country. you've got people who in this country here illegally, they've got no documentation. then you've got noidea documentation. then you've got no idea what country they're originally from because they've destroyed the documentation. you can't therefore return them to any other country because you don't know which country they're from. the only solution for deaung from. the only solution for dealing with these people is to send them to a third country. there is no alternative if you don't have a third country to send them to, you can't send them anywhere. so this has got to work. there's no other alternative but to send them to alternative but to send them to a third country, and i think the prime minister has set his stall out today, and i welcome what he's had to say. seem very

determined. but we we've got to make this work. there is no alternative but to make this work . work. >> well, phil, some would argue that. why can't i mean, i have last week. why can't we have a turn back policy like australia where they solve the problem overnight? tony abbott won election . election. >> yeah, but there was two big differences. ben the australians intercepted the boats in international waters . they international waters. they didn't wait until they got into australian waters. they intercepted them in international waters, which is very different. and they took them back to countries who had agreed to take them back, in the scenario we are there are no international waters between france and england. they are you go straight from french waters into british waters. so and we've got france won't agree to take these people back. so you can't you can't use the same equivalence on, on those two things. the circumstances are completely different. so i mean, it's a this idea that there's a painless panacea, that we can just intercept the boats and turn them around. if it was that easy, then i guarantee you the government would have done it by now. the government is not

making itself deliberately unpopular by not solving a problem that is easy to solve. the problem is, it's not an easy problem to solve. and everybody, whether it's suella, braverman, robert jenrick, boris johnson, rishi sunak , have all come to rishi sunak, have all come to the same conclusion that the solution to this, the only feasible solution to this, is to send them to a third country. and in this case, that's rwanda. >> okay . well, let's introduce >> okay. well, let's introduce now former labour party spokesman james matthewson , who spokesman james matthewson, who as you can probably guess, is a fierce critic of the bill. james, is this bill doomed to fail? tell sir philip here why he's wrong . he's wrong. >> well, i wouldn't want to question sir philip, said judgement entirely. however, of course i do think what we're seeing is that rishi sunak is to put it, you know, a pretty heavy handed metaphor. captain ahab . handed metaphor. captain ahab. and this rwanda bill is his white whale. he's obsessed with it . it's the last ditch attempt it. it's the last ditch attempt for him to have some relevance, to have a legacy, because he's already booked the flight. what

am i putting flights on standby? the flight. i think he's he's more concerned about having on standby is the flight to california for him and his family when he loses the election. that's rishi sunak. what he wants to do is have something to say. this is what i did when i was in government. do you remember when i managed to deal with the boats? i managed to rwanda? i do not think the british public in its entirety is as committed as rishi sunak is as committed as rishi sunak is to this. i do not think they're that entirely bothered. i'm not saying and dismiss entirely the concerns about immigration. of course, the labour party needs to get its policy straight on that as well. but they are not wedded to this in the same way that philip and the tory party seem to be. >> philip . the thing is, the >> philip. the thing is, the thing, the thing here. but this is, by the way, rishi sunak inherited this policy from his predecessors. you got to remember, this was boris johnson's policy and priti patel's policy and suella braverman's policy. by the way , braverman's policy. by the way, this is this is this is a policy. this wasn't a policy that rishi sunak came up with. this is a policy he inherited and he's trying to make work

work. so that's the first thing. it's not about rishi sunaks, you know, legacy or anything. he's inherited a policy. he's trying to make it work. the second thing, james, is, look, what do you do? what are the labor party going to do? you've got somebody here who is here illegally. you don't know what country the from originally. what are you going to if you're not going to send them to a third country. and labour have said that they they're going to scrap the rwanda policy even if it works, if you're not going to have a third country to send them to, what are you going to do with these people? because i'll tell you what you're going to do with these people. you're going to have to keep them in the united kingdom because there's nowhere else to send them. >> it's a good point, james. it's easy to stand from the sidelines and just just chirp away. what's your solution? >> it's true. but those people should be in the united kingdom. philip, because we are the united kingdom, we have a responsibility to deal with our problems on our own soil, and we should be enacting this. and also the labour party will have i mean, it has to get its house right. you're right. hopefully we'll see those announcements in the coming months in the lead up to a general election. when it

comes to policy, however, i do think and i hope as the rest of the country will, that there will be a difference in approach entirely because sympathy and empathy goes a long way. these are not people who are trying to infiltrate our country and destroy our way of life. these are people who have had the toughest time imaginable. they have put their family into boats. they've been taking advantage of by people smugglers, and they are victims themselves. they should be. >> i'll just let me just interject on that. the vast majority of people crossing the channel are economic migrants. the biggest proportion last year were albanians. there's no war going on in albania. people weren't fleeing the vietnamese this year as well. you know, brits go on holiday to albania. rishi sunak sorted that specific demographic out. so you can't just say they're all fleeing war because we know they're not. that's just not true. >> no, i'm not saying fleeing war. war is not the only thing people are fleeing. there are dire economic issues in other countries that people are fleeing. the freedom of movement is something we should cherish and should respect. it's not our problem. >> i'm sorry that there's dire

economic issues in our country. people. people are skint. people can't afford to put their heating on. they're choosing between heating and heating. why should we? why should we house people who are also skint elsewhere? they're not our problem . problem. >> you are absolutely right. 14 years of tory government have led to this situation where we as a country are absolutely in the dustbin. we need to deal with that of course we do. but it is not the fault of people who are seeking refuge from all manner of circumstances in other countries. they've chosen to come to us. we should treat them with the respect that they deserve. >> phil, ben, ben, this is we just need to play what james has just need to play what james has just said on a loop. every day, up until the general election. i mean, we heard it. we heard it here. this is what labour's going to do. they think these people should be here. they think we should be taking these people. they don't want to get rid of these people. they don't see them as a problem. they genuinely think these people are fleeing war and persecution. they're fleeing france for goodness sake. they're not fleeing war and persecution. they're fleeing france and yet we've heard it from james. we

now all know people can't say they haven't been warned. what's going to happen with the labour government? you're going to basically have everyone coming here and labour just think we should take as many as can make it here and they don't have any intention of deporting any of them. and final word, james seconds very quickly please. clearing that up for us. james this idea that we should in some way punish people who have chosen to come here. >> we are not the only country in the world that receives asylum seekers and people who want to claim asylum. of course , want to claim asylum. of course, were not people in france, people in germany. they're taking their fair share. we should take our fair share as well. we should be part of that process. we should cherish it. and the skills, the potential these people bring. okay, james is all right. >> james, former labour party spokesman james matthewson philip davies , sir philip tory philip davies, sir philip tory mp, thanks very much. i don't know why we should cherish fighting age male men stormy across the channel in dinghies, throwing their passports into the water, throwing their mobile phones into the water, getting put up in hotels for £12 million

a day, pipping brits to dental appointments, hospital appointments, hospital appointments, housing. i mean , appointments, housing. i mean, if that's to be cherished, then i don't really want to live here. quite frankly. but coming up, i reveal more about the child rapist who's been told he can stay in the uk after arguing being deported. will affect his mental health. it goes on and on. but next, does channel four's line up for their general election coverage proved bias at the broadcaster and should we stop flying the saint george's flag over fears of appearing racist, fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie is riled and ready. he's next. after this

us. patrick christys. tonight with me . ben. leo. only on gb news. i me. ben. leo. only on gb news. i hit back shortly at the sick child rapist who's been allowed to stay in britain. because he says being deported get this would impact his mental health. boo hoo . but first, it's time boo hoo. but first, it's time for former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. and channel 4. you've probably seen this. they're facing accusations of political bias tonight after announcing their line—up for their general election coverage,

whenever that may be. sometime later this year, hosted by the supposedly impartial krishnan guru—murthy , famous for calling guru—murthy, famous for calling tory mp steve baker the c word, the team would include channel 4 presenter cathy newman, host of global's news agents podcast emily maitlis, tony blair's former spin doctor alastair campbell and bbc stalwart clare balding. also an tory wet rory stewart. evening, kelvin, thanks for joining us, look, first of all, how on earth is any of this in any way impartial? we've had chris krishnan guru—murthy and his incident with steve baker calling him a c word. emily maitlis finally came out the closet and has joined the newsagents where she can just let rip at the tories and the government, as she's probably wanted to do for many years while she was at the bbc. then you've got the likes of alastair campbell didn't stop her marrying a bloke from private equity, didn't it though? >> yeah, yeah. when given the choice, you know, you can either marry the skint and the dim or

you could marry somebody with a load of money, look, look, channel 4 have been an absolute disaster. i have been in favour of flogging channel 4 now for 20 odd years. it used to be worth a couple of billion. then it became worth a billion. then it worth a half a billion. and now it's worth about 100 million. if anybody you pay it. why didn't nadine dorries do it a few years back when she had the chance? i have no idea. i don't know what's wrong with politicians. it's just like anything else. why don't you flog it? the idea that alastair campbell is going to kind of join in on this alastair campbell, you know, we have these sexed up dossier, the great thing about going on any panel show with with campbell is, oh, i hate this, i hate that. and then all you have to say is sexed up dossier and boom, he goes, he goes to water. so it's a, it's a very it's what they're probably pleased that we're even discussing it because nobody discusses any output now from channel 4. >> jacob rees—mogg said nobody's going to watch it so it doesn't matter. but all this furore and you know the yeah so probably it probably be helpful. >> but to be honest with you, i,

i'm so fearful about what the result is i, i do not intend to stay up to listen that sunderland south has got a majority of 28 million. i am going to bed when pull the pillow over my head and wake up the following morning and work out who i'm going to meet down at terminal five and get the hell out of the bloody country. theidea hell out of the bloody country. the idea of five years of people saying to you, we don't like to put up taxes, but we're going to, oh, by the way, your house has gone up in price. we're going to tax that. we're going to stick council tax through the roof. anybody who has made anything of themselves or want their kids to make anything of themselves , are going to be themselves, are going to be destroyed by these collection of oddballs. >> we just heard with our previous labour guest, james matthewson from he said the quiet part out loud. he said people we should cherish the fact that migrants are flooding across the channel. but i totally agree. >> i agree with with sir philip davis. he said right, so what we should do, what we should do, is put out that particular clip and say, this is labour, this is

going to be labour policy. they haven't got a policy they don't like rwanda, they don't like this, they don't like that. what they do like they like tens of hundreds of millions coming into our country because they know that there'll be socialists. why? because they give them better benefits. >> you know what's going to be interesting if and when labour do have a rout on election night? how they're going to behave. the channel 4 election team, are they going to, you know, a true test of their impartiality? then i'll need to read this quick statement from channel 4. they said we are delighted at least someone is to bnng delighted at least someone is to bring together such a stellar line—up of some of the country's leading political presenters and commentators, ensuring channel 4 is going to be the go to destination for first class analysis on election night, an array of front line politicians and commentators from across the political spectrum will join the team throughout the coverage to provide insight and audience in the studio. do you know what? >> i salute gb news for publishing that nonsense. imagine if we did that. oh yeah. >> could you imagine you weren't. >> you won't get a line on channel 4. i wouldn't, i wouldn't give them house room and anyway, the truth about the matter is nobody watches them because they don't make anything

worthwhile. >> the programme will be duly impartial. and like channel four's coverage over numerous elections, will comply with ofcom broadcasting code. >> come on. impartial. you can see that we whistling gypsy tunes from about bloody 12:05 all night. okay, right. >> let's move on very quickly. we've got about a minute left. so ahead of saint george's day tomorrow, new polling has revealed 1 in 8 labour voters and 1 in 12 lib dems think the saint george's flag is racist. yeah, right. >> well, the reason that they say that, of course, is i think in the light of the gaza war. right. and with the general, the leftist leftist hate this country. anyway, with gaza, i suspect that there are a number of people in this country who would prefer the palestinian flag to be flying, rather than the saint george's flag. well, you can imagine it's probably more than 1 in 8 would prefer. i absolutely agree with that. it's absolutely agree with that. it's a it's a great sadness to the country . and as we well know, country. and as we well know, emily thornberry lost her job by the way. she's back in the cabinet again. so she was fired for about 10s. and then labour said actually we really agree with you. anybody who's got a flag flying outside their house, actually we don't like them

ehhen >> yeah, yeah. a really a really snidey comment which she paid the price for. but as you said, she's back in back in the cabinet. and also sir keir starmer, he spent years trying to cosy back up to the eu. so if that's patriotic then i don't know what is. also i don't know why the english should be ashamed of their flag. everyone else is allowed. no, i do, i agree the scots, the scots and the welsh. >> i admire them for that. they love their flag. i wish we did okay, right. >> kelvin mackenzie, fleet street legend. thanks very much. still to come, i'll bring you a tv exclusive. you do not want to miss this with the nspcc volunteer turned whistleblower who wants to expose the dangerous influence of lgbt organisations stonewall on the national charity. we rely on to protect britain's kids. julia marshall speaks out later in the show. but next, how on earth has a child rapist been allowed to stay in the country simply by arguing that his deportation could impact his mental health? brace yourselves for another. infuriated revelation. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben . leo. plenty more to me, ben. leo. plenty more to come stick with us. >> for that warm feeling inside

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the uk . because sending him back the uk. because sending him back to africa would be bad for his mental health. meanwhile, a brave nspcc whistleblower quits the charity over fears it's grooming kids with trans ideology and talking of ideologies, have a policy for net zero emissions by 2030 to stop the rising waters . an stop the rising waters. an aussie politician makes a splash with his climate alarmism video. tomorrow's newspaper front pages are on the way to and tonight's top panel are ready to go. i'm joined by political commentator suzanne evans , journalist and suzanne evans, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth, and political editor at the daily express, sam lister, strap yourselves in. let's do this. britain's a safe space for scumbags. next .

scumbags. next. >> good evening. i'm tamsin roberts in the gb newsroom here at the top stories. mps and peers are sitting in parliament for a showdown on the rwanda bill. after months of deadlock. in an unusual turn, we've heard that the lights went out in the middle of the political ping pong after a short power outage in the house of lords. that says the bill's returned again to the commons, where we're expecting another vote from mps to decide whether to accept or reject the lords latest amendment . well, it lords latest amendment. well, it comes after the prime minister declared earlier that enough is enough and said mps and peers will sit through the night to get the bill passed to the us now and prosecutors have told a court that donald trump's alleged cover up of a hush money payment to a porn star did break the law. sparse crowds greeted trump at the new york courthouse despite his call for nationwide

yet peaceful protests. it's the first ever criminal trial of a former us president and comes amid trump's election rematch with joe biden. prosecutors argue his $130,000 payment to stormy daniels deceived voters dunng stormy daniels deceived voters during the presidential campaign in 2016. donald trump denies any wrongdoing , in 2016. donald trump denies any wrongdoing, which had no idea what was happening . what was happening. >> and this is the same judge that two months ago made a ruling that shook the world. it shook the world because everyone knows going to that trial, i did nothing wrong. and over here i did nothing wrong. >> also , this is a biden witch >> also, this is a biden witch hunt to keep me off the campaign trail. >> so far, it's not working because my poll numbers are higher than they've ever been, because the public understands that it's a witch hunt . that it's a witch hunt. >> an anti—semitism campaigner who was threatened with arrest at a pro—palestine rally has told gb news. the chief of the

met police should resign. gideon falter, who is the chief executive of the campaign against anti—semitism , was against anti—semitism, was described as openly jewish by officers and told his presence at a pro—palestine demonstration was provocative. mr falter says the home secretary should remove sir mark rowley from his post. >> the met police commissioner has failed to use his powers to curtail or ban these protests, and now we've got a situation where, very regrettably , we are where, very regrettably, we are seeing , the, the, the, the met seeing, the, the, the, the met commissioner has failed completely and change has to come from the top . so what i'd come from the top. so what i'd really like the home secretary to be saying to the commissioner today is resign or you're fired . today is resign or you're fired. >> a former parliamentary researcher and another man have been charged with spying for china after an investigation by counter—terrorism police. 29 year old christopher cash and christopher berry , who's 32,

christopher berry, who's 32, have been charged under the official secrets act. both have been bailed and will appear at westminster magistrates court on friday. the metropolitan police say the allegations are very serious and train drivers at 16 rail companies have announced a fresh series of strikes in their long running pay dispute , long running pay dispute, disrupting travel over the may bank holiday. members of disrupting travel over the may bank holiday . members of aslef bank holiday. members of aslef will walk out on the seventh, eighth and 9th of may at different operators and ban overtime for six days. the same week, the unions, accusing the government of giving up trying to resolve the nearly two year dispute. however, a spokesperson for the department for transport says aslef are acting like a broken record, refusing to put a fair and reasonable pay offer offer to its members . well, for offer to its members. well, for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now it's over to ben .

it's over to ben. >> now, i told you last week about the failed asylum seeker whose deportation was blocked by do gooder cabin crew from air france, who essentially refused to fly him home. anderson majella was allowed to subsequently stay in the uk, where he went on to rape a 15 year old british girl. well, here's another one for you, it's been revealed a child rapist is now also allowed to stay in the uk, after arguing that being deported would harm his mental health. the guy cannot be named or pictured, so you have to deal with a silhouette, which is pretty handy, i guess, when it comes to public safety. but the sun newspaper reports he was jailed for attacking a teenage girl , a jailed for attacking a teenage girl, a british girl, and was due to be kicked out of britain in 2014. he appealed by claiming he could not be treated for depression or ptsd in his native eritrea in east africa. but now , eritrea in east africa. but now, in a damning indictment of what a complete doormat for scumbags

britain has become, the appeal has been upheld after a doctor said he would be more likely to kill himself if he returned home. the decision was made despite a security report finding he posed a medium risk to the british public. he was also likely to have been punished for evading national service duty as a teenager back in his home country. so look, just as a reminder, not only do we have a rapist on our hands that we can't get rid of because it might hurt his feelings, he's also a coward, too. so let's get the thoughts of my panel. political commentator suzanne evans, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth, and political editor of the daily express, sam lister, benjamin butterworth usually not the kind of guy who would be happy to have this chap roaming the streets of britain because we can't deport him. you support the echr, don't you? >> well, i can confirm i don't like child rapists. i'm glad we can have that. no, but you support the echr. look, you know, i think this is clearly a mistake to say that someone's

mental health will be damaged. and that means they can stay in the country. i think, you know, that's slightly ridiculous, because i'm sure anybody that goes to prison damages their mental health. but we accept that as a reasonable form of justice, all things considered , justice, all things considered, for what they've done. so clearly he shouldn't be allowed in this country. but i think to say that you would rip up human rights that protect us as they protect other people, that guarantees so many freedoms would be a terrible mistake. >> and so hang on. so, so you'd want this guy out of the country, yet you'd still back the echr because it's people like this scumbag who are staying in the country and at times being let free on our streets because of the echr. so make your mind up. streets because of the echr. so make your mind up . what is it? make your mind up. what is it? >> i have made my mind up. >> i have made my mind up. >> you haven't. you're a walking contradiction. >> you know, there are examples where, you know, for example, the echr said that prisoners should be entitled to the right to vote while in prison. now, we chose to ignore that. so we know that we can use our sovereignty to ignore some of these rulings. i think this would be a justified one, but the idea that you rip up the whole playbook of human rights because of one incident where it doesn't sit

well, would be a total mistake. and let's bear in mind the kind of rules that are being enforced. here were things that britain stood for that were exported to a continent. i think we should be proud of that. >> suzanne evans i'm absolutely sickened by this. absolutely sickened. you know, we might as well, i think, put up a sign at dover saying rapists, welcome to britain, where your rights come first, because that is, i'm afraid, the kind of situation that we're in now. and i think we should leave the echr. i think it really has got to that now. but i think what really gets to me is the reason that this man has been allowed to stay here. he'd be more likely to take his own life if he was returned to his own country. his mental health. that poor teenage girl is out there listening to all this, watching this. she knows what's happening. what about her mental health? what about her mental health? what about her mental health? what about her rights ? utterly destroyed. >> people like benjamin don't care. don't seem to care , don't care. don't seem to care, don't seem to care about victims of these monsters. it's not an isolated incident. we had one last week. i told the viewers about it on friday. a guy who was campaigning for better quality of care in, migrant

detention centres, then ended up being a rapist himself. >> well, look , i think it's >> well, look, i think it's crass and uncalled for to say that you're defending people that you're defending people that do these atrocious crimes. i think this person should be locked up, and i think this person should be deported. but the question is about whether you rip up the whole book. there's also another point to this, which is there is no way, no way rishi sunak is going to take us out of the echr he's hinted at it for years. all it is, is politics, and there's no chance, even if he changed his mind remarkably and actually pursued it, that you could do it before a general election. >> sam lister rishi sunak arguably has a couple of months left. can he pull a rabbit out of the hat? as in leaving the echr committing to it in an election promise? will that be enough to save his bacon and the tories bacon? >> i think it's incredibly difficult because i think he would split his party. he has hinted it as benjamin says. he has hinted at it a number of times, doing it and hinting at it are two very different things. there's a huge rump of the party who are absolutely

fundamental, committed to our membership of the echr and then obviously equally as many who are fundamentally opposed to it. so i think he has a real problem, and i think he's unlikely to be able to resolve that any time soon. >> suzanne evans some people would call those tory mps committed to the echr a bunch of wets. >> yeah, i think i'd be one of those people. is that accurate? to be honest, i just think it is. i mean, it's interesting, sam, you talk about the conservative party being split. frankly, it can't come soon enough because you the party is utterly divided. you know , so utterly divided. you know, so many people who are mps in parliament who are say they're conservative mps, they're not they're lib dems, basically. they're so wet. they're so woolly. there's not a conservative bone in their body . conservative bone in their body. >> you sound like a right wing jeremy corbyn at this point. >> well, that's fine if that's what i sound like, that's okay. >> i don't really suzanne. why don't why don't these groups, i've asked many of them whenever i've asked many of them whenever i've spoken to them on interviews and so on, why don't a lot of these tories get it? why don't they listen to the members adopt some conservative

values, not only are they allowing fighting age males to flood the southern border, they're allowing legal migration. a city the size of birmingham. every two years. they can control that and they don't seem to care. >> i think it's all to do with about our political class. there are so many people now who go into politics not because they want what's best for the country. they will go in because they want what's best for them. they see it as a way to climb the greasy pole, to get accreditation in society, to make a good income. and they want the power and they want the kudos. i honestly think anyone that wants a career in politics should not be allowed to go into politics, because that's not what it's about. but unfortunately, that's what we have. and i think whichever party it is, tory or labour, i think it's been allowed to happen. you know, the conservative party, the labour party, it's always party first, country second. they choose people who are going to absolutely stand stick with that line. they choose people the way the selection process works, it's all a mess. and that's why we get these people who are wets, who won't stand for anything. they stand for nothing. >> so sam lister, where where

does the future of the conservative party lie? because reform uk obviously polling with record numbers, they've made no secret of the fact that they want to just obliterate the tories. they don't care about the number of seats they get at the number of seats they get at the general election. where do you see the conservative party say this time next year? >> well, i mean, it entirely depends on on the election result, doesn't it. is it the blue? is it the blue wall? is it the blue wall that gets wiped out? is it the red wall? if it's both, then we're in a whole different ball game, aren't we. but i think, you know, reform ultimately reform has to ask itself, if you want rwanda to work, if you want deport, deportation flights, if you want to protect the borders, why are you campaigning so hard to allow a labour government to be in for the next five years? i mean, the immigration problem, legal and illegal, is only going to get ten times worse under keir starmer, and that's essentially what you get if you vote reform. >> well, i think that's nonsense because both legal and illegal immigration were lower under the last labour government, a fraction a third of what they've beenin fraction a third of what they've been in the last couple of years. and actually labour had a problem while they were in government with people hiding in trucks. and that problem was

pretty clearly resolved. the numbers fell considerably. so they managed to do it. and the equivalent is votes now and the tories aren't doing anything. i actually think the government politicians need to be far more honest . i politicians need to be far more honest. i agree politicians need to be far more honest . i agree with politicians need to be far more honest. i agree with high politicians need to be far more honest . i agree with high levels honest. i agree with high levels of immigration. i think it's good for our economy. >> what i think politicians, it's not good for the economy. latest. let me just stop you there. the latest gdp figures show that gdp per capita per head contracted by 0.7% despite uncontrolled mass migration. as i said, a city the size of birmingham every two years. so it's a complete myth that it's good for the economy. and actually, benjamin, you are a massive hypocrite. you come on this channel week in, week out, complaining about the abuse that jews get down at the palestine marches. and yet you say you're happy for uncontrolled mass migration. it'sjust happy for uncontrolled mass migration. it's just absurd. >> yes, ben, because i'm not a racist who thinks that everybody who comes to this country is has views about jews like that. most people in this country that are immigrants aren't from the middle east at all. >> who else? who else has views, views about jews as we see palestine marches? >> well, i mean, the oddity of what you're saying is that most jews in this country will have

come from migrant families in the past, generation or two. right? so they are themselves part of the migration. i think that's a good thing. they add to this country. the fact is that i think politicians are being dishonest because they know that we need immigration for our economy, and they're not being honest with the public. okay. well, i agree with the i'd argue we don't need them for the economy as i've just outlined. >> but suzanne evans, benjamin butterworth, sam lister, thanks very much. coming up, watch the sheer audacity as a family come up with their own way. i couldn't believe this of covering their restaurant bill. but next we bring you a tv exclusive with an nspcc whistleblower who's warning that the children's charity has been captured by the ideological ideology, rather, of hardline lgbt btec lgbt charity stonewall. julie williams speaks out next. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo, stick with

us. patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news coming up. i'll bring you the very first of tomorrow's front pages. hot off the press, but first, a bombshell story. an nspcc whistle blower with over ten years service has sensationally quit the charity, claiming it risks, quote, grooming children with aggressive trans ideology. so former police officer julian marshall is warning that the charity is being completely captured by the hard line lgbt group stonewall's. militant rhetoric, saying that she and other volunteers were told to ask primary school children their pronouns and were put under pressure to affirm

children's choices of gender. stonewall, which campaigns for children to be allowed to change genden children to be allowed to change gender, has now been distanced by the government, the bbc and numerous other organisations. it previously enjoyed formal collaborations with. now, julie claims that she was ostracised for speaking out against the nspcc's apparent shift in direction, and she joins me now to reveal more about this. i mean, it can only be described as an astonishing story. judith, thank you for joining as an astonishing story. judith, thank you forjoining me. as an astonishing story. judith, thank you for joining me. just tell me briefly about your background with the charity when you joined them and when you realised when something clicked in your head that something wasn't quite right with the direction it's going in, well, i joined , back in 2011, 2012, and joined, back in 2011, 2012, and i was, really happy to join. really, you know , to do really, you know, to do something to help children. i had, myself. i've got three kids and two stepchildren. and what happened was that over those

actually eight years up until lockdown , everything was fine. lockdown, everything was fine. and going to give , assemblies and going to give, assemblies and workshops in, primary schools to children. teaching them how to speak out and stay safe . then, i began to get safe. then, i began to get worried about the nspcc in general when, there was a bit of a scandal about james makings and then another scandal about munroe bergdorf. but i naively thought that actually the children were quite safe and that it wouldn't affect anything. then just after lockdown, we were, asked to go back to do a refresher in, you know, so we had a meeting and a refresher before we go back into the schools in the september, and it was there that they actually when they were talking

about generally going back into the schools, they , they had the schools, they, they had a section about trans children and how to speak to them, how to refer to them, and then i was a bit i was very shocked, you know, because we were talking about primary school children. we were giving assemblies from age five all the way up to age 11. but, you know, most of the kids that are those ages, they've not even had sex education. they don't know about reproduction, they don't know about anything. and here they are being told about gender and being told basically any boys can become girls. girls can can become boys. but, you know, it's possible to be born in the wrong body. and i it made me immediately just i was shocked and so the nss, the nspcc was giving this advice to kids in schools as young as five, who said that? no, no not, no, not giving the advice into schools.

they were they were basically telling us that this was a thing in schools giving you the training that we had. yes. and we had to be, aware of it and cognisant of it. when we were giving our assemblies and our workshops. and i was a bit like , workshops. and i was a bit like, well, surely you're the nspcc, you should be worried about this. you shouldn't be pushing an affirmation model. you should be saying, what's going on? why suddenly are these children identifying as trans and more to the point, you know, in primary schools who who on earth? why would children identify as the opposite sex? you know . opposite sex? you know. >> well, unless unless they're being unless they're being influenced by adults around them, i.e. people potentially like you who are on training courses, who had been you know, i'd argue, brainwashed with

trans ideology, who then passed it on to kids thinking they're doing the right thing. i argue that kids in primary school shouldn't even know about heterosexual relationships . let heterosexual relationships. let own be asked what gender they are, so you raise your concerns to the nspcc about this. how did that play out? >> well, actually in the in the meeting itself, i said, you know, i said , this isn't right. know, i said, this isn't right. what about safeguarding? and i was just shut down. basically people were said, no, this is a thing. this is normal. this is what's happening, so much so that when i went for lunch, nobody wanted to go to lunch with me. so i was treated like i was really a bit weird , and then was really a bit weird, and then when i went, then i went home, and i was, i was very upset. i was very upset. and i just thought, i can't work for this charity anymore. so i went onune charity anymore. so i went online and looked at their website and i saw that this they were actually promoting it to

children via their website . they children via their website. they were telling children that they had been assigned a sex at birth, that gender was, something that was basically they didn't actually define gender at all. but but they said it could be the way you dress, the way, you know, if you grow your hair long, if you like wearing dresses. so it was basically saying that if you're an effeminate boy, then, you must be a girl. if you're a girl that wants to play football and do you know , play with cars and do you know, play with cars and you don't like pink, well, then you don't like pink, well, then you must be a boy. you don't like pink, well, then you must be a boy . and that for you must be a boy. and that for me to tomboys, i. yeah, exactly. >> where do you see the nspcc going now? are they still heading down this kind of dark path? because we had the cass review last week. i mean, i guess you feel pretty vindicated off the back of that despite your then covid tears making you out to be some sort of weirdo. i mean, clearly they were the weirdos, but do you feel vindicated? i do feel

vindicated, and before i actually contacted the paper, i emailed my supervisor, the sort of head of the region, and i, i, i said to her, you know, i actually reached out to her and said, you know, the cass review have you read it? what are the nspcc doing about it ? and i sent nspcc doing about it? and i sent her a link to victoria atkins speech in the house of commons and completely ignored, completely ignored it. >> they didn't reply to you ? >> they didn't reply to you? >> they didn't reply to you? >> no, not at all. >> no, not at all. >> not at all. i mean, that is the quality and the calibre of the quality and the calibre of the people we're dealing with. the former chief executive of stonewall, who last week, i mean, for years she was advocating the use of puberty blockers for children, saying that that's what the experts advised and so on. she told the times newspaper last week that she was just listening to the experts . nothing to do with me. experts. nothing to do with me. ihave experts. nothing to do with me. i have no responsibility, yeah. interesting julia, look, one quick question. do you fear this ideology is slowly sweeping its

way into, you know, our schools and, and maybe even other charities? is the nspcc alone in this? >> i think that they it's throughout i think that the nspcc is not alone. i think it's going through the schools completely because i mean that this was two years ago, but all the people i was, i was actually on that course with, they were all, well, what's the big deal? this is actually something in schools now. and that shocked me. so i actually think that with the cass review, we have the opportunity to turn the clock back. we need, you know, we to stop this now and turn it around. >> well, julia, let me say, you know, thank you so much for being with us tonight. and i must commend you for , you know, must commend you for, you know, being brave and courageous in the face of what is essentially groupthink. many people would struggle to speak out at a time like that over fear, you know, of being ostracised and whatever else. so credit to you. and that

cass review has totally vindicated you, and yeah, thank you for joining vindicated you, and yeah, thank you forjoining us. i really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me . >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. quick response from the nspcc. they said we pride ourselves on being a safe space for children and young people, whether that's supporting them when disclosing abuse or providing a listening ear for any concerns. something like using a child's preferred pronouns is one way in which a young person can feel listened to and well respected. and we'd like to thank julia for the years she spent volunteering with the charity. inevitably changing the lives of young people she supported . i'd say people she supported. i'd say it's a loss, actually, that julia's left your charity . it's a loss, actually, that julia's left your charity. but there we go. coming up. they are drowning down under as an ollie, an aussie politician produces a hilarious climate change warning message. but next, we'll bring you the very first of tomorrow's front pages, which are landing thick and fast as we speak. this is patrick

gb news. patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. time for the first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages. let's kick off with the independent flights of fantasy pm insists rwanda planes will take off in weeks. okie dokie. we'll see. the daily mirrorjill dando exclusive big story face of a killer facial mapping puts serbian assassin in the frame for star's murder 25 years ago, the metro pm. we fly in july. no ifs, no buts. jets in 10 to 12 weeks to finally stop the boats. okay. good luck. the ai says rwanda plan won't work. tory critics tell sunak . and an critics tell sunak. and an interesting one here about huw edwards. it says the investigation, the bbc's investigation, the bbc's investigation into his behaviour is set to be kept under wraps. as i said at the top of the show, the bbc needs to be transparent in this case and tell us exactly what went on. and the daily mail says enough is enough, we're ready for rwanda. lift off, and also a really, rebel wilson. she says

that, in her memoirs or her diary that she had a drug fuelled orgy attended by one of the royals, i think. i think she said she was 15th to 20th in line to the throne. >> she said she was invited to what? >> i invited. attended. >> i invited. attended. >> yes. >> yes. >> very well. saved, benjamin. thank you. but at least you prove yourself useful tonight. i'm being told she did attend in my ear, but there we go. any ideas? no, let's not guess. i was going to say. any ideas on the royal, but we'll just. we'll keep that under wraps. >> there's plenty of candidates, aren't there? to be fair. >> yes. really, really interesting story here on the mirror. the jill dando won the face of a killer. so the man wanted for questioning on jill dando's 1999 wanted for questioning on jill dando's1999 murder bears a striking resemblance to a ruthless serbian assassin, suzanne evans. what do you remember about the dando case? >> yes, i remember that she was shot, looked like a targeted execution as she was going home from work one evening. absolutely shocking. shocking crime. she, of course, used to present the crimewatch programme, there was speculation. i remember at the

time that there was some kind of foreign interference in this, that there was some kind of foreign state behind this because she'd exposed, i think, various, misdeeds and issues. so. but we were never quite sure. so this is really interesting. i mean, jill dando, i had the pleasure of meeting her. she was. oh, really the most lovely woman. she really was a genuinely. >> how old was she when she died? >> person, she was in her 30s, wasn't she, i think. i can't remember the exact age, but she was. she was young and beautiful and lovely and charming and a very good tv presenter. and it was an absolutely heartbreaking, shocking story. >> and of course, benjamin barry, george , he did time for barry, george, he did time for it, didn't he? the kind of sort of mentally challenged chap who, was seemingly had an obsession with her, as far as i remember. yeah. >> that's what that's what was put together. and he lived not far from her in fulham in west london, and he had all sorts of strange far right imagery and pictures of jill dando and other women and gas masks and all sorts of things were found in

his property. but of course, it would later turn out that the police had sort of confected that they looked for proof rather than truth, as they say, i think she'd done a story on crimewatch just before she was killed , where she looked at killed, where she looked at serbian gangs and kosovo. obviously it was the time of a lot of drama in the balkans, and so that was why at the time it was a line of investigation. so there is some sort of corresponding context to what the daily mirror is reporting. >> so, sam lister, it says here that this chap, they've done a facial map of it says that he led a unit of hitmen who targeted a poignant opponents of brutal dictator slobodan milosevic . milosevic. >> i mean, let's hope this is a real breakthrough. obviously, this is i mean, seeing that photo there of jill dando on the front of the mirror. i mean, it's one of those images that is imprinted on the nation's mind. she's so beautiful and happy there. and i think this really goes back to the heyday of the bbc. she was obviously we were talking earlier about the huw edwards story. jill dando really was one of those people who was

a trusted voice and people felt even though she was presenting actually quite, a show that was actually quite, a show that was actually quite, a show that was actually quite terrifying, she was such a kind of reassuring figure. and people really did trust her. and i feel , you know, trust her. and i feel, you know, so many people will want to see this resolved. i do hope this is a proper break. >> do you think she represented the heyday of the i do i do think so, yeah. >> because it was a time when there were only a few channels and we did all switch on to one of the four channels. and she was one of those really trusted voices. >> and she had such an ordinary background. yeah, i think a lot of that's why she's remained such a fascination because she was so relatable. she was she was so relatable. she was she was the woman next door. >> i agree, it was the heyday of the bbc. i was working there at the bbc. i was working there at the time and i think it was a very different ethos. yeah to what it is now. i'm not sure how long someone like me would survive at the bbc these days. >> oh yeah, i mean, they wouldn't touch me with a bargepole and i'm sure many other people here, but i don't want to go there anyway. in their infinite wisdom. yeah. lucky me. and only 37 years old, jill dando. i thought she was

much older, but 37, i mean, still, i'm. i'm just about 35, so, you know, i still feel like a kid at heart. and she had her whole life ahead of her. so, fingers crossed we get some answers. but now let's move on. here's more proof that china has its claws in the very heart of our democracy. a parliamentary researcher alongside another man has today been charged with spying for the foreign state and the ccp. but it's not just our democracy. they're also, of course, brainwashing our children with the highly addictive social media app tiktok. and let's not ever forget, of course, their role in covid. suzanne does britain need to take the problem of china more seriously? >> she absolutely does. and it's been told it does by the parliamentary intelligence and security committee . and yet security committee. and yet nothing's been done. you know, i think it was i think it was years ago. this is not the first time this has happened. m15 warned a couple of years ago that a chinese agent had infiltrated parliament and given donations to mps , their son was donations to mps, their son was even hired, i think, as a diary manager by labour's barry gardiner. >> beijing barriers, they call it beijing barrier. >> so you know this is not new.

and what worries me is here we have this one case and obviously we can't prejudge the outcome of that. but how many more are there, clearly these people had security clearance, official secrets act involved. are there other people in parliament working in parliament, possibly even elected members themselves who are somehow in the pay of the beijing government? i mean, we really don't know. but as i say, the parliamentary intelligence select committee thinks there where has said there were. i'm just looking at there were. i'm just looking at the report they brought out a couple of years ago. it said china is aggressively targeting the uk and its interests , and the uk and its interests, and it's a challenge for agencies to coven it's a challenge for agencies to cover. they ask the government to do something. nothing happened. rishi sunak, for instance, in his tory leadership campaign, talked about shutting down the 30 confucius institutes that operate within universities in britain. funnily enough, that got sidelined , didn't it, as got sidelined, didn't it, as soon as he became prime minister. we know china's got tentacles not just in this country, abroad as well. in the world, health organisation, the un, they practically take

benjamin, one of my big concerns is tiktok, because the app , as is tiktok, because the app, as far as i'm aware in china, is nothing like we have it in the uk . uk. >> in china it's all educational. whereas over here kids and i mean, i suppose even adults are just brainwashed with, you know, completely inane dances and content that will rot your brain. >> yeah. i mean, the us president has said that he would sign a bill if it passed congress to ban tiktok in the us, which i think puts in grave context the fact that we don't really discuss that issue. you know, my old university, the london school of economics, has, which has many very talented students from asia, has a globe, a giant globe on the campus. and it had put taiwan in a different colour to china and china, which has a lot of very wealthy students at the lse, tried to pressure them to change the colour to make it the same colour to make it the same colour as china. now to the lse credit, it refused, but that really shows the audacity that they're going to institutions like that and we know that a lot of universities with less money and less stature have really caved in to the pressure for how

we educate people about china. i think it's incredibly dangerous. >> so is china the biggest threat we face to this country, it's hard to say, isn't it? because obviously russia is also a great threat and that that is on our doorstep and it is invading one of our neighbours. so we have to be mindful when it comes to ranking our enemies. you know, we have a very real and present threat on our doorstep. >> this loose alliance isn't there. yeah, absolutely. russia and iran. yeah, i find it terrifying. yeah. and terrifying. >> and bear in mind, the bloke that's now foreign secretary when he was prime minister was calling for close ties with china and arranged a state visit for xi jinping. >> i actually covered that visit and i went to the pub to cover the visit with, david cameron and president xi at the time, and president xi at the time, and it was very much being held as the era of golden relations between the uk and china. and that set in train a whole series of things that we are now finding very difficult to unpick. and it means that we are so inextricably linked now china has its, its grip on everything in the uk. >> yeah, very scary. and not

least, as i keep saying, our young children's minds with those inane tiktok dances. but anyway, thank you, suzanne benjamin, sam lister, thank you very much. coming up, my favourite moment of the show as i crown tonight's greatest britain and union jackass. but first, more of tomorrow's front pages, plus a hilarious but ridiculous climate change ad from down under. you don't want to miss it. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo. only on

gb news. patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. more front pages have just dropped. let's get stuck into them. the daily express scandal hit bbc's huw edwards quits on medical advice, yep - edwards quits on medical advice, yep . and they're also calling yep. and they're also calling for transparency when it comes to the investigation . daily to the investigation. daily telegraph rwanda migrants to be detained within days . and a nice detained within days. and a nice picture story there of queen camilla joking with members of the royal lancers about their capacity to drink beer. oh very good.the capacity to drink beer. oh very good. the guardian met police chief praises conduct of officer

in anti—semitism row. we heard a bit earlier, sir mark rowley is backing his officer involved in that viral video that's doing the rounds. but some breaking news in the last couple of minutes, mps have voted to scrap the latest rwanda amendment. there were two outstanding amendments. one was about afghan war heroes. the lords wanted them to be exempt from rwanda deportations , and the other one deportations, and the other one would have required that rwanda could not be treated as a safe country until a report from an independent monitoring body deemed it so, and it would have required home secretary james cleverly to go to this body every time they wanted to deport someone. so mps have sent that back to the lords and said no, not tonight. reconsider. suzanne evans good, excellent. >> right decision. i'm not convinced the rwanda plan is going to work myself, but at least this gives it a fighting chance. >> benjamin. well, it's completely ridiculous. >> parliament trying to dictate that a country is safe when you can't know that in 5 or 10 years that will be the case. so having a body that judges that i think was right. but look, you know,

we're paying enough to send someone to eton for each person that might go to rwanda. and it can only take 100 or 200 in the total. so it's just a farce. okay. >> so what's the solution? >> so what's the solution? >> well, the solution, i think, would be keir starmer suggestion, which is to have an agreement with france about the number of people will take in advance. so you don't have this crazy unpredictability. and then to hire more caseworkers so you don't have people sat in hotels or equivalent for the average of a year and a half before their case is processed. >> so that would be people and our country becomes unsafe. >> great. >> great. >> so we take we probably take fewer because you have an agreement about it. i think the pretence that politicians are trying to put forward from the right, that you can somehow stop any of this happening, is ridiculous. i think you had, philip , what's ridiculous. i think you had, philip, what's his name on the show earlier, acknowledging that himself, sam lister , mps have himself, sam lister, mps have sent this back straight to the lords and rishi sunak. >> of course, he said this morning, this will go on all night if it has to. where are we going to end up tonight, it will pass. it might be 8 am. in the morning. it might be 3 pm. tomorrow afternoon. it will go

on until it is passed. but you're not going to back down on this, because if you, concede on this, because if you, concede on this, the whole thing is effectively null and void. and so this is crucial. this is a back door attempt by the peers to wreck the whole rwanda deportation plan. so this cannot be amended. >> can you just explain practically how it works in the lords tonight. so they've had this bill sent back to them. why would they change their mind now? i mean, how technically doesit now? i mean, how technically does it work eventually they they realise that the mps are not going to give way on this. >> they've given way on, on obviously other elements of this. they're not going to give away, give way on this. so there comes a point where they have to just eventually bow down to the will of the elected house. they are unelected peers. they are a revising chamber and eventually they have to give way. >> so rishi sunak in the morning will likely be taking a victory lap. will he that he's pushed? absolutely. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and suzanne evans, what will that do for his election, election prospects? >> i think to be honest, at this stage people will say, okay, fine, now prove it, prove it. >> and he's promised flights every month, every month over the summer, a relentless, round of rwanda flights . not easy to

of rwanda flights. not easy to say. and he he has promised today. no ifs, no buts. those flights will continue until the boats are stopped. and that, i think, will be a very powerful thing at the ballot box. i think he's just drawing attention. >> sorry to interrupt, but i think he's just drawing attention to a failure. if this is going to start in july and you're going to have an autumn election, you're going to have a summer of boat crossings in their thousands, and that will resonate with the public far more than 40 people on. >> actually, for once, i will i will agree with you, benjamin. it's a rare occasion, but as we saw after the brexit vote, in the years following , as soon as the years following, as soon as any hint of legislation came in that we were going to get tougher on migration, people flooded here both legally and illegally. >> suzanne, that proves why it will work, because there is a surge of people, because they think this is going to be a crackdown. and so that surge shows why it works. >> well. our home and security edhon >> well. our home and security editor, mark white, he's been to calais. we've played clips i mean, i played one on this show on friday of migrants in calais laughing and taking the absolute mickey out of us and saying, we don't care about that. we're

still going to come because as benjamin said, only a certain amount of people are going to be able to be sensible around a 500 able to be sensible around a 500 a day coming on small boats, and you can only ship off a certain amount at a time. >> that's exactly right. i think rishi sunak will see this as a great win, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and i'm not sure he can deliver that pudding for eating. >> yeah, i keep saying just turn them back. do what australia did. they promised it tony abbott, you know he won election on it. and actually speaking of australia, a nice little segue here. the eco zealots down under are causing rising hysteria levels in this political ad from australia's new liberals party. take a look at this. >> hi, i'm victor klein. i'm leader of tnl and we have a policy for net zero emissions by 2030 to stop the rising waters. if we wait another 20 or 30 years like liberal, labour and the independent want will be in deep water. so if you live in the federal seat of north sydney and you care about real action on climate change, vote one victor klein . before it's .

victor klein. before it's. >> benjamin bosworth surely you can't take that seriously. >> absolutely . i mean, this is >> absolutely. i mean, this is literally what's happening. no, it's around the world. i was in indonesia in october last year, and its capital, jakarta , is and its capital, jakarta, is going to be under water in the next 10 to 20 years. they're having to they're building an entire new capital city in indonesia because of that. you know , singapore is at serious know, singapore is at serious threat of going underwater dunng threat of going underwater during our lifetimes. there are commonwealth countries, ones in the pacific ocean, in particular countries in the pacific ocean that are going under water. it is a serious threat. and i think he does a brilliant job of illustrating it. >> the wonderful thing about being older than you, benjamin, is that i think i'm i don't believe it. you know, i am getting on a bit now, so i must have had at least six decades when i've been hearing this. it's all going to be gone underwater in ten years. well, six times i've heard that now nearly sam as a as a as a political advert. >> i mean, it is quite funny. >> i mean, it is quite funny. >> it does i mean, it's engaging, isn't it. and people talk about it and actually with the political adverts, the main

thing is to just get people to engage with them. so actually the more ridiculous they are, the more ridiculous they are, the more ridiculous they are, the more they kind of work, but, you know, ultimately it looks like a bit of a berk, doesn't it? >> isn't suzanne. right? benjamin? that you know, she said that she has experience of these predictions of doomsday coming year after year. i've put this to people like jim dale, climate alarmist. i've said, look, in 1995, a senior scientist said that kids won't know what snow is by the year 2000. un chiefs have said that britain would be in a siberian climate by so and so year. every single time they come and to pass, they come to pass without a whimper. so how can we take it seriously? >> because the evidence is already there. the highest temperatures ever recorded have not cyclical . the fact is that, not cyclical. the fact is that, you know, last week or two weeks ago, you got temperatures in the high 40s in spain and in gran canaria in the, in the what's the island you've always had in those islands in april. that is unrwa precedented you have a situation where countries like dubai that are the uae, that have always been hot, are now becoming unliveable , despite the becoming unliveable, despite the fact they've put so much development. >> oh, let's let's not mention

the facts. they were artificially modifying the weather just artificially modifying the weatherjust days artificially modifying the weather just days before that happened. well, that's not why they had. >> of course, there's no no connection whatsoever between massive development and concrete, which absorbs heat and temperatures getting hotter, which is why it's always hotter in london. the rest of the country, the more you develop, that's 1 or 2 degrees. it's not climate change, it's just concrete reflecting. >> i don't think that's why, you know , islands around spain are know, islands around spain are getting boiling hot. the fact is that we're seeing temperatures over 50 degrees, 30 degrees, all sorts boiling hot. benjamin. >> well, it is in a normal temperature . it is spain. temperature. it is spain. >> spain was in the 50s, thick of this rain. >> more global warming . >> more global warming. >> more global warming. >> i was in i was in eilat in at the bottom of israel a couple of years. you get around during a heatwave . hey too much and it heatwave. hey too much and it was more than 50 degrees. and let me tell you, having been in 50 degree plus heat, it is not liveable and we should be afraid of that. but i quite like it. >> i quite like my sauna. it gets the 60 degrees, so i'd quite welcome that. and actually benjamin, who's to say it's not cyclical. you know, you're deaung cyclical. you know, you're dealing with such a small

dataset. >> quite a risk there aren't you, ben? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well no i'll tell you what the risk is putting people at in poverty. you know, bill, there was a story out today, £29 billion, the deranged march to net zero is going to cost people £700 for the most vulnerable households. do you want to gamble people's future on a model? we saw how models work dunng model? we saw how models work during covid. i think it's ridiculous. you know , no one's ridiculous. you know, no one's denying the climate changes. no one's denying these temperatures. but the way that, you know, everyone seems to, oh, 99% of scientists agree. yeah, 99% of scientists agree. yeah, 99% of scientists who don't want to be defunded agree. and you know, the 1, they're not allowed to debate it. they just get called climate deniers by people like you always get extremes of weather. >> i remember it snowing on may day when i was a kid. yeah. it was that a sign of global cooling? >> well, you know, you're not getting you're not getting any snow anymore, right? >> a trend, not an anecdote. and that's the significant difference. yeah, yeah. >> very good. right. we're gonna move on to my favourite part of the show. today's greatest britain and union. jackass. suzanne, who is your greatest britain? please >> so my greatest britain. it's an honorary one. it's a teenage girls, five teenage girls from lincoln middle school in west

virginia who refused to compete against a male shot putter who was identifying as a woman. and it was especially brave because a west virginian court had just overturned a ban on participation by trans athletes, proving the law is an ass. benjamin. so well done to those five. >> mine is also an honorary one, though she did live in london for many years. it is the queen herself, taylor swift, she 200 million streams of her new album in one day, the highest ever recorded, beating our own adele, she is a hero to generations of britons, right? >> sam lester lloyd martin, a 19 year old who has down syndrome, who ran the london marathon yesterday, became the youngest person with a learning disability to complete the marathon , setting a world marathon, setting a world record. and i think, wow, brilliant. his mum was cheering him on all the way and i think she burst into tears at the end, rightly so. >> that is really commendable. i mean, it brings a smile to my face seeing that lad there. lloyd. well done you. on any other occasion i'd give it to lloyd, but today it's going to

be those brave middle school girls who stuck up to trans zealots, especially men who want to infiltrate women's sports for no other reason than to dominate, show their dominance, show their power because do you know what? they hate? women. they hate girls. so fair play to those young girls for sticking up for not only themselves, but women all around the world. suzanne evans very quickly, union jacks, it's exeter university because one student was overheard saying that veganism wrong and gender fluid ism was stupid, and he was put on a behavioural contract, whatever that is, for the rest of his studies. >> okay, just for his speaking his mind. >> ridiculous. benjamin. >> ridiculous. benjamin. >> mine is rishi sunak for his ridiculous welfare reform suggestions , saying that gps suggestions, saying that gps shouldn't sign people off sick and then basically admitting that you can sign yourself off sick, which is a pretty stupid idea. >> sam lister, your union jackass channel 4 for their hilariously supposed, unbiased, election coverage plan with emily maitlis, alastair campbell, etc. and rory stewart, who apparently is the right wing

balance on that panel. yeah, right. tory stewart, one of the biggest tory wets in living memory. it's got to be the university of, exeter. yeah. snoop snooping on people and students through their dorm is a bit creepy. and actually, what the guy said was not controversial in the slightest. that's all for tonight, suzanne evans, benjamin butterworth, sam lister, thank you so much. thank you at home forjoining us. i'm back tomorrow. up next it's headliners. that's after your weather. good night . weather. good night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. looking ahead to tomorrow. it's going to be a much drier and sunnier day for many of us. but there will be some rain, particularly across the southeast. that's due to this weather front that's still making its way southwards. much of the rain will tend to fade away throughout this evening, but there'll be a real legacy of cloud left behind . so quite cloud left behind. so quite a murky evening for central areas of england, parts of wales, the

south coast as well. we can see some drizzly rain for a time this evening. there's also a risk of some fog developing across parts of northeastern england through tonight. further north and west, though, it will be much drier and clearer tonight. it's going to be quite a cold start tomorrow, but frost will be fairly limited to just some scottish glens and perhaps the far south—east of england as well. so a chilly start to the day, but definitely a brighter start to the day for northern ireland, much of scotland, northern england as well across many western areas of wales and southwest england, as well . it southwest england, as well. it should be a fairly dry and bright day, but sunshine will be a little bit more limited across the south coast, where there'll be some drizzly rain on and off through the day across the south—east. but it won't feel too bad in the sunshine if you're sheltered from that northerly wind. it's going to be a cold start on wednesday, though there's a greater risk of seeing a frost. generally, though still in rural areas, we've got more of a north easterly wind developing on wednesday that will bring in a few showers across the east coast, but in the west it's going to be another fairly dry, bright and warm feeling day in the sunshine. looking ahead to

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at 11. well first to the latest developments from westminster, where mps have again voted to reject the latest lords amendment to the rwanda bill. the final change the lords added to the bill would have required that rwanda couldn't be treated as safe until ministers consulted with an independent monitoring group and made a statement to parliament. the bill's now been sent back to the house of lords again. but tonight's political ping pong wasn't without its mishaps. this wasn't without its mishaps. this was the moment the lights went out in the house of lords. >> are i must said something very controversial , but i've very controversial, but i've still i've still got a light. so if yes , thank you. if yes, thank you. >> well, tonight's showdown between the two houses comes after the prime minister declared earlier that. enough is enough, and said mps and peers will sit through the night to get the bill passed . well, we've get the bill passed. well, we've just learned the prime minister

is set to announce the uk's largest ever package of aid for ukraine during visits to warsaw and berlin tomorrow . the £500 and berlin tomorrow. the £500 million pledge comes as the prime minister warns that vladimir putin will not stop at the polish border if his assault on ukraine is not stopped . the on ukraine is not stopped. the funding includes ammunition, air defence, drones and engineering support. it means the uk commitment to ukraine so far since the 2022 invasion totalled £7.6 billion to the us now, and prosecutors have told a court that donald trump's alleged cover up of a hush money payment to a porn star did break the law. sparse crowd greeted trump at the new york courthouse , at the new york courthouse, despite his call for nationwide yet peaceful protests. is the first ever criminal trial of a former us president and comes amid trump's election rematch with joe biden. prosecutors argue with his $130,000 payment

to stormy daniels deceived voters during the presidential campaign in 2016. donald trump denies any wrongdoing, which had noidea denies any wrongdoing, which had no idea what was happening. >> and this is the same judge that two months ago made a ruling that shook the world. it shook the world because everyone knows going to that trial, i did nothing wrong. and over here i did nothing wrong. also this is a biden witch hunt to keep me off the campaign trail. so far, it's not working because my poll numbers are higher than they've ever been, because the public understands that it's a witch hunt. >> a former parliamentary researcher and another man have been charged with spying for china after an investigation by counter—terrorism police. 29 year old christopher kash and christopher berry, who's 32, have been charged under the official secrets act. both have been bailed and will appear at westminster magistrates court on

friday. the metropolitan police say the allegations are