earlier that. enough is declared earlier that. enough is enough, and said mps and peers will sit through the night to get the bill passed . well, we've get the bill passed. well, we've just learned the prime minister is set to announce the uk's largest ever package of aid for ukraine during visits to warsaw and berlin tomorrow . the £500 and berlin tomorrow. the £500 million pledge comes as the prime minister warns that vladimir putin will not stop at the polish border if his assault on ukraine is not stopped . the on ukraine is not stopped. the funding includes ammunition, air defence, drones and engineering support. it means the uk commitment to ukraine so far since the 2022 invasion totalled £7.6 billion to the us now, and prosecutors have told a court that donald trump's alleged cover up of a hush money payment to a porn star did break the law. sparse crowd greeted trump at the new york courthouse , at the new york courthouse, despite his call for nationwide yet peaceful protests. is the

first ever criminal trial of a former us president and comes amid trump's election rematch with joe biden. prosecutors argue with his $130,000 payment to stormy daniels deceived voters during the presidential campaign in 2016. donald trump denies any wrongdoing, which had noidea denies any wrongdoing, which had no idea what was happening. >> and this is the same judge that two months ago made a ruling that shook the world. it shook the world because everyone knows going to that trial, i did nothing wrong. and over here i did nothing wrong. also this is a biden witch hunt to keep me off the campaign trail. so far, it's not working because my poll numbers are higher than they've ever been, because the public understands that it's a witch hunt. >> a former parliamentary researcher and another man have been charged with spying for china after an investigation by counter—terrorism police. 29

year old christopher kash and christopher berry, who's 32, have been charged under the official secrets act. both have been bailed and will appear at westminster magistrates court on friday. the metropolitan police say the allegations are very serious . train drivers at 16 serious. train drivers at 16 rail companies have announced a fresh series of strikes in their long running pay dispute, disrupting travel over the may bank holiday. members of aslef will walk out on the seventh, eighth and 9th of may at different operators and ban overtime for six days the same week , the unions, accusing the week, the unions, accusing the government of giving up trying to resolve the near two year dispute. but a spokesperson for the department for transport says aslef are acting like a broken record, refusing to put a fair and reasonable pay offer to its members. those are the headunes its members. those are the headlines and for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code

on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's time for headliners . time for headliners. >> hello and welcome to headliners on tonight's panel, we've got mediterranean warmth combined with strong british values. that's nicholas de santo and nick dixon. evening gentlemen. good evening. i'm not sure it's wise to combine those two. of course. >> i have the same values as nick does. >> of course you do. and hang on. nick has the same values as you. let's not get carried away. >> your values are a bit more extreme. >> you're both very much people of the book, though, i think. aren't you.7 yeah aren't you? yeah >> i don't know which book it is with. >> i love this idea that people think that they can take a little bit of mediterranean and mingle it with a little bit of the cumbrian. >> yeah, but you're iranian, aren't you? really nicholas? well, italian. >> genetically, yeah.

>> genetically, yeah. >> i only care about the genetically. >> genetically persian. yeah. did you say. i did not know that? okay. interesting. still good enough. >> he was one that ordered the drone strike like an entire one man. >> ancient civilisation . let's >> ancient civilisation. let's have a look at the front pages, daily mail , have a look at the front pages, daily mail, kick us off. enough is enough. we're ready for rwanda . lift off the telegraph rwanda. lift off the telegraph also have rwanda migrants to be detained within days, guardian met police chief praises conduct of half of officer in anti—semitism row. the mirror have the face of a killer. jill dando. specifically. i news rwanda plan won't work tory critics tell sunak. and finally the daily star, britain's hardest psycho seagull . yeah, hardest psycho seagull. yeah, well, those who are your front pages. well, those who are your front pages . so, kicking off the

pages. so, kicking off the in—depth look with the telegraph, nicholas. >> so the big headline is rwanda migrants to be detained within days. rishi sunak has promised , days. rishi sunak has promised, incessant or what is the word, regular drumbeat of multiple flights. this looks like we are approaching. the skies darken with them. yeah. at long last, the flagship policy of the tories, which, has has faced so many obstacles so far after so much prevarication and a parliamentary ping pong . parliamentary ping pong. >> it's interesting you use that phrase flagship policy, which you genuinely believe. it's a flagship policy. >> i mean, at least in terms of media coverage, right? right. and i mean, personally, it's my favourite policy , but it's been, favourite policy, but it's been, it's been at least it's been always chequered, isn't it? >> always derided, always scorned , mocked. and of course, scorned, mocked. and of course, it has had to try and overcome or work its way around numerous hurdles. i don't think it ever

had even a long weekend of, you know, in the sun. >> no, no one's ever really liked this. there's a strange policy to sort of hang his, reputation , but that seems to be reputation, but that seems to be what he's doing. and he's really going for it now. and he did this speech earlier. people said it's a new sunak. he said, no foreign court will stop us from getting flights off. he said, no ifs, no buts. these flights are going to rwanda. so he's realised he has to be tougher. farage was even speculating. this means he's going to go for a summer election, whereas choppers was saying no because one mps want their pay so they want to last as long as possible. and two sunak wants his legacy. he wants to say, well , i was his legacy. he wants to say, well, i was there for two years, so it looks good on paper. when he hopes everyone forgets what it was actually like. but it's a strange story, isn't it, policy to make such a big deal. and it's. i just don't know if it connects with voters. i mean, it'd be good if they get it done, but will it change your vote? i mean, it's all about legal migration as far as i'm concerned. and the boats are sort of a smaller. >> well, exactly what it has to do.the >> well, exactly what it has to do. the only way it's ever going

to work as a mechanism is as a deterrent. the idea that we can take a meaningful number of people from the uk to rwanda to ease the burden is nonsense. that's obviously not going to happen. so what has to happen is that people stop coming across the channel in small boats if they believe that there's a good chance that they'll just be put straight on a plane to rwanda, and that i think is going to be even if it does ever work, i think it will take quite a long time. even with an like an autumn election. i don't think that that process will have. do you think so? >> it might be. it might be already too late. you're right. we need to see how many are actually going. we will. we will believe it when we see it. first of all, because of all these obstacles so far. and, and then if it actually does increase, does decrease the number of boats, but it's still something. and so many home secretaries and so many. yes promises and so many disappointments so far and so much, mocking and derision. so, so we will see. but it's something, at least to start. >> i think the point about summer election, i'm sure some tweets will correct me. i think it was to do with sunak getting

the election before the echr returns to overturn this and humiliate him, right? >> yes. that's possible. yes. and also, i think he is going to depend on the elderly vote. and then, you know, they could easily decide not to come out in the middle of november anyway. the guardian, nick so the guardian has met police chief praises conduct of officer in anti—semitism row. >> so this is mark rowley of course. and he says the sergeant will not be disciplined. now in case anyone doesn't know, there was of course this this police officer who told the guy from the campaign against anti—semitism that he was openly jewish. and it was a short clip. thenif jewish. and it was a short clip. then if you watch the much longer clip, although it's contentious, the officer does come across in my view, a little bit better. he's more sympathetic. and that's definitely what rowley's going with. he's saying that he was exemplary. basically, he says that the officer, the wider actions and intent of the officer were professional and in the best tradition of british police trying to prevent a disorder. i mean, maybe going a bit further than most would, but if you watch the full video, he tries to help the guy. he says it's not because he's jewish, he's just creating a disruption. he's trying to look after him. he's trying to look after him. he's saying, go around this way. he's saying, go around this way. he does speak to him for a long

time and offer various help. i was a bit more sympathetic having seen it. there's still the fundamental problem of, obviously you can't call someone openly jewish as a reason for an arrest. and obviously the fundamental problem of the anarcho tyranny of arresting the innocent remains a big problem. that's the fundamental absurdity. and they allegedly can't govern these control, these protests. that's the fundamental problem. >> as we saw a couple of weeks ago, three weeks ago with the chap and again, an iranian, i think , wasn't it, who was, had think, wasn't it, who was, had the banner saying that hamas, a terrorist and he was the one that was arrested and quite roughly handled, in fact, that's the fundamental problem. >> and so that's why my sympathy is limited. but for the individual officer, when i watched the full thing, i think he he was trying his best. and it is very, very difficult. >> and you're right, i mean, there is very often in these cases they're trying to identify this police officer as the scapegoat for what has been allowed to develop over the course of a number of months of atrociously , soft handling of, atrociously, soft handling of, of a criminal element, certainly. or i mean, by the standards of the hate crime legislation , then that's legislation, then that's terribly fashionable now. i mean, half those marches, that's

what metropolitan police federation, which is the union representing them, calls trial by social media. >> obviously, these the policeman might have had his heart in the right place. he may be most likely wanted to protect the man. obviously it was very unfortunate that the expression, openly jewish. yes but at the end of the day, people are sick of two tier policing , as we've of two tier policing, as we've seen repeatedly, and we've seen what the way they treated, for example, tommy robinson and all that going after people for tweets or for stickers. in leeds, somebody was jailed . the leeds, somebody was jailed. the lesbian nana all these cases, but it's funny you mentioned tommy robinson. >> i remember a clip a few years ago, shortly after the manchester arena bombing, and there was a big kind of, what was it? i think it was after that, or possibly after one of the other, islamic terrorist outrages. anyway, there was a sort of peace march in manchester, and then tommy robinson was leading a, a like a less peaceful march. and the police deliberately led them

into one another. it was quite obvious they they actually precipitated the encounter . precipitated the encounter. hoping i think i'm projecting maybe that they would sort of, i don't know, bring disgrace upon both of them , you know, to both of them, you know, to demonstrate that they couldn't be trusted. >> can i just add one thing, since you've invoked the dark name, no one's allowed to mention, i thought you were going to mention the more pressing irony that the jewish man who was who was told he was openly jewish, falter was, he told tom robinson to get out of his march . so some people are his march. so some people are saying this is a sort of a calmer, you know, you're trying to ban people from your march now you've been banned from march. i'm not necessarily saying that. >> i'm just documenting it, pointing out it is interesting, although i suspect what's going on there is fatah wanted to sort of purify the you know, he didn't want to be stained, obviously, before he does makes his own actions. i sort of understand that. but you're right there are it's not simply a binary calculation. >> one key difference might be, isuppose >> one key difference might be, i suppose people say, look, this is a guy who's getting persecuted seemingly for his, you know, his ethnicity or whatever , his jewishness versus whatever, his jewishness versus someone wanting to keep someone

out for ideological reasons or because you disapprove of their activism or something. so there's a slight difference, i think. so moving on to the mira nicholas, jill dando exclusive face of a killer. >> this is a cold case. we could say a murder case dating back to 1999, and now there could be a breakthrough. yeah, 25 years. jill dando, was crimewatch presenter dramatically shot dead? and there was this , x—man dead? and there was this, x—man or, unidentified, otherwise unidentified person who who might have been linked or incriminated. nobody knew what who he was. and now, thanks to facial mapping, they have, there's a good chance that he is no less than a serbian secret service assassin who is already serving a 40 yearjail terms in serbia for double murder. serving a 40 yearjail terms in serbia for double murder . yeah. serbia for double murder. yeah. wow. and that's someone the police might want to question.

he's been called man x when you call him x, man, it sounds like he's one of those mutant superheroes, but he, >> it was always fascinating because people thought of first as just a stalker, but then it's like, no, it was an execution. it was professional. people speculated to why was she exposing something? there's always these questions. i don't know, people can tell me who've watched the documentary. also, the assassin bears a striking resemblance to the sweating man of an e—fit of a suspect. so we know it's not prince andrew. that's the main thing to rule out. >> it was so long ago i cut. there were some really crazy theories about it at the time, wasn't it? do you remember? quite a number of things happened all in once in one week. i seem to remember it was the same time as those nail bombs were going off in gay pubs in soho. i might be wrong about that. i seem to remember a lot of stuff was there was just a general what, like jill dando? it just seemed. i mean, it was obviously very sad, but also sort of absurd. she was such a i mean, yes, you know, crimewatch, but still just a very sort of shiny, bright, happy, you know, upbeat presenter. it just seemed. and then there was that ridiculous fit up. do you remember that the chap who had

named himself after freddie mercury or something, do you know a guy whose name he gave the name was freddie bulsara, which was freddie mercury's real name. he'd adopted it as his his name. he'd adopted it as his his name. okay. and they pinned it on him. and he did. he did a number of years in jail. i god, i should dig it all out. but it was. yeah. there was a it was an absolute bizarre fit up, you know on of guildford four dimensions. anyway those are the front pages in the next section, the pros and cons of policing and the pros who are conning you on

welcome back to headliners with me, simon evans. still here with comedian nicholas de santo and nick dixon. so we go across to the guardian now. nicholas. and six months on, finally, someone is facing accountability . vie. is facing accountability. vie. >> that's right. still with dramatic news. israeli military intelligence chief quits over 7th of october attack sukh. so this is major general aharon

haliva, and he's the first top brass, military or figure to , brass, military or figure to, vacate his job, because he has, claimed responsibility for the deadliest assault in the history of israel , he he he deadliest assault in the history of israel, he he he is the chief of israel, he he he is the chief of or was the chief of israeli military intelligence, which is one of the three branches. it's called aman for short, right, most people know mossad because mossad is maybe more dramatic with their operations, because they are the external. they're like the m16 of israel, the cia, exactly. whereas aman is a bit more low key for us foreigners. but it's the most important one because they observe the military movements of the neighbours, or they're supposed to. and this is where the failure came. >> there was i mean, there are two things that i remember from the time that, you know, that things come and go there was some suggestion that, in fact, i assume his organisation, but military intelligence anyway, had in fact come to netanyahu

and said that there are these plans and that they were dismissed as unworkable and not not practical, that you know, the idea that hamas were going to break out in such numbers . so to break out in such numbers. so presumably, if he's resigning, i don't know whether he doesn't feel that he didn't gather enough intelligence or didn't. but i'm pretty sure that there was a claim at the time that they had actually briefed the government and it had not been taken seriously. >> conspiracy theories. or not so much theories, but egyptians claim they had warned the israelis. right. and so either way, they have either ignored or totally underestimate the movements and the indications. >> this guy is probably hoping people believe the conspiracy theory because it looks better than him just being totally negligent. i mean, he was on houdayin negligent. i mean, he was on holiday in a red sea resort, which probably didn't help. right? and they sort of called him. he wasn't even there. and so i'm amazed it's taken him this long to go, i mean, or for people to be sacked or. right, because it was so bad. so if it was just negligence, it was incredible. to be fair, he's the first one who has resigned. >> and he did mention earlier

that he was responsible. there is someone else who said he would be stepping down in somebody from the army , head of somebody from the army, head of idf central command yehuda fuchs . he said he's going to resign in summer. we need to understand they're also in the middle of a war on multiple fronts. so they can't simply renovate the top echelons so quickly in the middle of the war. >> although more than 62% of israelis say they should resign. of course. yeah, yeah . of course. yeah, yeah. >> well, i mean, just tying it in for balance. >> i know we've wandered into your expert topic here, though. it was all about the different branches of the secret police and stuff in israel. >> it is the most ridiculously catastrophic failure of military intelligence, isn't it? especially considering their previous record, which was that, you know, if so much as a dog wandered into no man's land outside of gaza, you know, it was it was mown down. it seems extraordinary that, as you say, that he would not have gone within 24 hours. i can't understand it anyway , nick the understand it anyway, nick the met on a considerably less impressive scale for intelligence. they have a morale problem. and to be honest, at

this point, if they didn't, i'd worry for them. >> but yes, indeed. yeah rock bottom morale, in fact. and social media piles on inside the mets protest problem. this is in the eye. so yes , we touched on the eye. so yes, we touched on it earlier because there was this individual police officer , this individual police officer, the one we discussed in the first section, but there's a general lack of morale, as you say. as nicholas also mentioned, people, they feel that social media pylons are just waiting for them. if they put a foot wrong. and of course, that is one can be sympathetic for that. i mean, it's they're under—resourced. they've got no way of they claim of manning these marches . i way of they claim of manning these marches. i think way of they claim of manning these marches . i think people these marches. i think people would be more sympathetic if they were still seen as being on they were still seen as being on the side of the people. and that's the big problem, because the police are essentially foot soldiers of the regime, for want of a better tum. and that regime, we feel is woke. we feel it's basically pro—palestine, especially sadiq khan you imagine is and therefore, how can they take a different view as police, they follow orders. so you just feel they're not on the public side, and the public would be a lot more sympathetic

to a police that they felt were on their side. even though individual police officers are great people, great people, and they, you know, they they're doing a tough job. the police as a whole is a tool of the regime, and the regime is corrupt. and despises the people. yeah. >> yeah, i think that's i mean, the terms you use it a lot, but this is obviously an exhibit a is a narco tyranny. the disproportionate it's not just two tier. it's like wildly polarised, isn't it? you can be, you know, hounded, for absolutely nothing. and yet i will say these, these demarches , will say these, these demarches, which are obviously the main thing under discussion, they do present an extraordinary challenge because they've just come week after week on a huge scale, and i'm not quite sure what they would be able to do if they did feel that they were. >> you'd have to send the army in at this point. >> i mean, that's why some people argue for an ethnostate because you wouldn't have these problems if you have if you didn't have this huge, diverse element which believes in different values. yes. but i feel for the policeman, everything nick said, i agree , everything nick said, i agree, and you know, it's not a good job when you see adverts on the underground and it says, yes, become a policeman and you can

start as much as £26,000. and these poor people call it quite a decent rain or shine. >> anyway, same paper. and, here's an upside to being in the police. they're more emotionally intelligent than, than they used to be. although emotional intelligence is usually rolled out when actual intelligence is somewhat lacking, isn't it ? somewhat lacking, isn't it? >> yeah. dubious term. right we are with the news story, right? sadiq khan the police are more emotionally intelligent now, so this is another interview or, dossier the ai has done about this time. the safety of women, unden this time. the safety of women, under, sadiq . because sadiq khan under, sadiq. because sadiq khan is ultimately also the commissioner of the metropolitan police . so how has the met been police. so how has the met been doing? in terms of women feeling safe? we had this , report by safe? we had this, report by dame louise casey, which was quite an indictment saying, the institution that is the metropolitan police is

institutionally homophobic, sexist and harbouring those with racist attitudes . i'm a bit racist attitudes. i'm a bit sceptical when it comes to structural racism, because we hear so much of it and it's so much ingrained with the with the ideology and the rhetoric of the woke. but nonetheless, this is sadiq khan and he wants to his stance for election next month as the mayor of london. and he he wants to, assure the voters and women that , you know, they and women that, you know, they are safe and they haven't been. and he acknowledges that the question is whether or not they would they would believe he's the right person to make london safer for them , because he safer for them, because he himself acknowledges that i want to london be a 24 hour city. but the night experience is very much different from women than men. >> well, also, you know, bars and clubs are not are closing nots anyway, aren't they? nightlife is in terrible trouble how. >> now. >> there's so many annoying things about this piece. i mean, one of them sadiq khan saying it gives me no satisfaction for being shown to have been right

in relation to challenges around the police service. his takeaway is that he was right because he means police need more resources. he also claims the mate campaign was a success, which is hilarious because, there was a small increase in a self—reporting yougov poll, people saying that it made them change their minds afterwards, you know, pathetic nonsense. he's obsessed with misogyny. i mean, left wing policies put women at risk , you know, like women at risk, you know, like weak border policies and weak on crime and so on. so now he's saying, oh, but i'm worried about women, but what are you actually doing about it? and probably until ten minutes ago, everyone, people like him were claiming that women didn't even exist and anyone should be allowed in their changing room. so i find i find it disingenuous, of course, crime is a big problem. women need to be safe, but it's not going to be safe, but it's not going to be helped by anything sadiq khan does, especially the may campaign. also, i heard that today starts something like 1 in 4 people in london experience violence or threat of violence or something. it's just it's just horrendous. >> and obviously the met themselves have contributed a couple of high profile racists in the last few years, but i suppose that could stand out. they could, they could be sort

of, not outliers possibly. it's, you know, the culture is under threat. but you're absolutely right. the other culture that is, that is clearly growing in london is that of an indifference to traditional western respect for women . western respect for women. right. sure. >> yeah. you know, and also worrying london surpassed new york as the murder, in terms of the number of murders under sadiq khan. >> yeah. so that's something to, well, something for new york to brag about, i guess , telegraph brag about, i guess, telegraph now they have news of the pope's latest big hat . nick, yeah. latest big hat. nick, yeah. that's so obscure i can't even link it to the story. >> pope has a big hat, and the bearin >> pope has a big hat, and the bear in the woods. you know the one, right? >> all right. i shouldn't have asked. so it's channel 4 accused of left wing bias over election night. panel and if you haven't seen it, there was a line—up of all the sort of usual lefty suspects. i said it was like avengers assembled, but they're all evil and they have no special skills. which. but it was a little joke. i'm not saying they're literally evil, of course, but it's people like cathy newman who was destroyed

by jordan peterson and may. she still has a career and she exposed herself as a total lefty. rory stewart can't believe he was once a tory, has talked about voting lib dem krishnan guru—murthy a sort of rude lefty. emily maitlis lefty who became even more lefty once she was freed from the bbc. alastair campbell say no more. and clare balding, who at least can ride a horse. but that's their line—up for the election. i mean, imagine if gb had an equivalent line—up, it would just be the apocalypse. but this is channel 4. but this is what people expect from channel 4. >> to be fair, isn't it? they don't watch it for an unbiased, neutral or balanced view. they watch it for left wing propaganda. i remember during the election night in 2019, they were all looked absolutely devastated when the results came in. they didn't even bother to hide. they did. >> but it's state owned, isn't it? so it still so it shouldn't really be the case. and tories shied away from selling it. >> that's another thing. but yeah a channel 4 credit to tories a tory source has has branded it the return of a prime time comedy . yeah. having a look time comedy. yeah. having a look at this, this line—up looks like channel 4 has taken a break from

their incessant attacks on marriage. you know, the programs open house, the great sex experiment, naked attraction, naked education , naked this, naked education, naked this, swinging that naked election coverage. >> that would be spice it up. >> that would be spice it up. >> they basically want to be regarded now as one of those left leaning podcasts, like the newsagents . and the rest is newsagents. and the rest is politics. right. >> but government? well, they've got half the people off, half that. >> anyway, i do apologise for my profanity in describing the predictability of that particular scenario. russian jams . now in particular scenario. russian jams. now in the times, nicholas, and presumably a sort of spreadable borscht, is it? >> i don't know, sadly not. >> i don't know, sadly not. >> a serious story, i don't know how to make this funny, but russians. russians you did. russians. russians you did. russians jam satnavs on british houday russians jam satnavs on british holiday flights. so a different sources, including, one, which is called breaking defence, are saying that russians are now, basically using this practice

of, interfering with satellite with gps over both military, with gps over both military, with both military and, civilian aircraft. so holiday makers from aircraft. so holiday makers from a variety of companies ryanair, easyjet, jet2 , tui, these have easyjet, jet2, tui, these have all reported interference and problems navigating and locating when they are flying in the baltic area, going, for example, to finland, sweden. yeah, because it's very close to russia. and also they have this exclave called kaliningrad that borders lithuania and poland. so that's basically the story. >> so, yeah . god, it's out of >> so, yeah. god, it's out of my, my, comfort zone. i have to say, nick. yeah. >> no, same. it just seems to be russia flexing again, which they seem to be doing mainly by bothering grant shapps, which is a sort of a strange tactic , but a sort of a strange tactic, but something i suppose kaliningrad is that the one that used to be, konigsberg. >> konigsberg, which is where immanuel kant was born. yeah >> the one the heartland of prussia. and that's why they tookit prussia. and that's why they took it for themselves. >> switches back and forth like.

yeah. anyway to avoid further profanities, that's halfway in the second half. we have nspcc or nsdap p or is it smartphones that want to

and welcome back to headliners. so the times . nick, to kick off so the times. nick, to kick off this half, yet another charity appears to have been hollowed out like a gourd and crammed full of toxic waste . full of toxic waste. >> very nice. yeah, it's the nspcc pushed trans ideology on children. whistleblower claims. this is julia marshall, 62. she had volunteered for 30 years and she found that it had been completely captured by stonewall. this absolutely shocking. i mean, she was told to ask primary school aged children their pronouns. to ask primary school aged children their pronouns . all children their pronouns. all right. and it said her first. she first had concerns in 2019 when someone started putting she her and emails. it's like the start of a dystopian movie, these little signs. this is how

it begins. this we're talking about children under 11, and at one point they said to her, well, they were trying to get it to ask pronouns for children. she she was like, this is mad, you're all crazy, right? and there's this bit where the nspcc spokesman has actually replied to this and made it worse. they say something simple, like using a child's preferred pronouns is one way in which a young person can feel listened to and respected. she does not have preferred pronouns unless you teach them this garbage. when i was 11, we didn't have these pronouns. you brainwashed them and taught them this, so of course they regurgitate it. it's not a thing and it's disgusting. and remember, this is the national society for the prevention of cruelty to children. you had one job, is all i can say, and you failed. >> absolutely correct. i mean, we all talked about we've been talking for a long time about the long march through the institutions, you know, but sometimes you do kind of you assume some of them would be beyond the pale. do you know what i mean? like, you can understand stonewall getting involved in the bbc or or the newspapers or the civil service, but children's charities still , but children's charities still, unsurprisingly, they go for the

kids because they want to get them at an early age and talk about irony, cruelty , prevention about irony, cruelty, prevention of cruelty against children. but this is how they always frame it, that it's a safety concern that they're safeguarding. it's the projection. the inversion of the projection. the inversion of the truth is, is the most sinister aspect. >> they have this ideology of gender affirming and sex and gender affirming and sex and gender are two things. so a child as young as two might have a different gender, than than their sex. and they might have. therefore they don't know what pronouns are. they might have a favourite pokemon, but well, we thought, i mean, i'm going back. >> we've been doing this for a couple of years, but i remember very clearly when my daughter matilda and her best friend delfim absolutely convinced that they were wolves. they, they, they were wolves. they, they, they believed that they had the spirits, the souls of wolves, and they actually did, which was what was weird in that . very what was weird in that. very hard to affirm that with surgery , but we got there in the end anyway. grinder news now, nicholas and claims they shared private information without consent, which kind of feels like, i don't know, kind of asking for your best, i mean,

you, it's a sad day when you can no longer trust the integrity of people who are in the business of facilitating casual sex, right? >> yeah, gay dating app grindr faces lawsuits from hundreds of users who claim private information, including their hiv status , was shared without status, was shared without consent. so it's not even their first time, they were previously in 2021, they were fined £5.55 million for sharing user data to advertisers, and this time , this advertisers, and this time, this lawsuit is brought by a company called austin hayes. and they claim thousands of grindr users might be affected, basically, they're hiv status, among other things. and the time their last test was conducted has been provided to advertisers for potential providers to advertise. >> i was going to say, because that kind of stuff should be on your profile, right? should it? or i would assume it would be.

is it that's like, that's not secret, is it? >> you're asking the wrong person. i mean, i can't really relate to this story on at least three levels. i mean, not gay, don't use dating apps, hopefully don't use dating apps, hopefully don't have hiv unless a massive data breach tells me otherwise. >> but how would you? i mean, the thing about, with advertisers getting ahold of data and using it to target you, i mean, i suppose i could imagine there might be some services that they present to somebody who's hiv positive, but it doesn't feel like it's the most valuable kind of information about you compared to your wealth or status or valuable to tell, like your boyfriend or something. >> isn't it very valuable? >> isn't it very valuable? >> isn't it very valuable? >> i mean, i mean, i'm assuming it's on the screen anyway, right? anyway, i don't know, god, as you say, we're all out of our depth here, but yeah, i think i mean, somebody said that our friend timandra harkness, who has been on the show a couple of times, some time ago, wrote a big book about big data and just said, people are extra ordinarily lax about how they, you know, they tell these corporations things and then they're surprised when it gets flogged. i mean, that's what the business model is. yeah. you know, you're generally speaking, you're not paying for these things. that's how they make money out of you anyway. times.

now, nick, one of my most cited authors is under fire, which could seriously undermine my credibility. yes. >> and he cites you a lot as well. it's, experts criticised author who claims smartphones rewired children's brains. and this is jonathan haidt, who has written a lot of interesting books. he's now got a new one called the anxious generation, claiming there's a link between young people being on social media and how depressed they are, and other people are saying no in fact, you should look at other metrics like suicide . but other metrics like suicide. but he's saying, well, no, suicide is so rare amongst this age group that it's not useful and so on. it's kind of going back and forth. common sense tells you it's not great for kids to be on apps all the time, and on phones all the time, and when they should be out running around. we all instinctively know that, but it's hard to prove. >> i think the thing and where he's come a cropper possibly on this, although i can understand why he's used the terms, is by saying rewiring and he has doubled down on that. it does suggest that he means that it literally changes the blood flow and neurology of the brain. and they're saying there is no evidence in fmri scans or whatever, that this has happened

and that, yeah, by overstepping , and that, yeah, by overstepping, he may have he may have undermined. >> yeah. but maybe it's literally talking about semantics. he acknowledges that he doesn't mean it's, social media is 100% all the time harmful. but this, row over methodology or, over conclusions, i think as nick was, pointing out, conclusions, i think as nick was, pointing out , superfluous. was, pointing out, superfluous. they say suicides are not that high. okay. but he says, how about hospitalisation? suicides are supposed to be rare anyway. and of course, we've discussed this. the case of, suicides after cyberbullying, the case of molly on this show, we talked about that so much vanity. comparing yourself with other people, not going and enjoying the nature, socialising, sports that cannot be good. >> it's like everything. like it's the nexus for every activity, isn't it? now, i remember there was a cartoon some time ago when in the past, people used to read a book or watch tv or whatever, and now it's all just through the phone, even just those things. so, i

mean, even to the extent that you're just not using your hands in any other way than to scroll, i mean, little things like that, apart from all the obvious stuff of cyberbullying and so on. as you say, it feels like nothing should be that dominant in our lives. and i'm not sure it's good for adults either, particularly. >> oh, definitely not. >> oh, definitely not. >> i remember one situation, this always sticks in my mind about 5 or 6 years ago when we had a couple of friends who had children, and they came to stay with us for a long weekend and the husband, just spent the entire time on his phone and, and we that was a bit weird afterwards. and then about six months later, they got divorced, and it was obvious that they were he was finding it difficult because they would probably already come to that conclusion but weren't sharing it. but i remember thinking, there's something about the phone that you can just retreat to whatever it is that you don't want to confront or deal with. the phone just offers you an alternative, you know, mode of interface, an alternative universe. yeah, yeah. and that's , you know, in

yeah. and that's, you know, in a sense that's not ideal either. you know, that that it's, you know, maybe something could have been resolved more or do you know what i mean? >> it'sjust know what i mean? >> it's just obviously a world that's sort of all about you. you're you're the central focus. whereas if you're in a social setting, it's not really about you. it's more of a group setting right on your phone. it's like you're sort of back into your own world and everything pertains to you in some way. as the focus. >> yes, exactly. and i've probably said too much. the son, nicholas, this is exactly the sort of thing the son would say, isn't it? i'm shining. take the day off work, sign yourself off work overhaul of sick note system. could see brits use an app system. could see brits use an app to take time off. well, this is another policy of rishi sunak. i wouldn't call it a flagship policy next to his ban on smoking, which we might discuss later. policy. he declared war was that rishi sunak who declared war on the so—called mickey mouse degrees . so—called mickey mouse degrees. >> oh, that was years ago, wasn't it? first time i heard those.i wasn't it? first time i heard those. i don't know , but yes, those. i don't know, but yes, we've had so many, it's worse than italy now. we've had so

many prime ministers now, but, but anyway, as a, as a way of easing the burden on the gps and basically, sorting out the triage , procedure, there should triage, procedure, there should be or there would , there will be be or there would, there will be an app, trialled where for some, you know, like a flu or one time illnesses, workers can use the app illnesses, workers can use the app to get the so—called sick note rather than bothering the gp's, rather than bothering an expert who can see through their tissue of lies. >> well, we very quickly nick a couple of words on this. well, i'm just amazed that people are saying i've got flu and i just need seven days of work. >> i'm going seven. these people aren't in showbiz. it's frowned upon. if you if you you come in. if you're not in a coma, i have. >> i did actually try and work this out. >> yeah. leo kirsty gallacher spot gone. >> i think i've lost possibly 1 or 2 days in the last ten years. the sickness, i would say, apart from the ones that i lost to the, you know, worldwide

sickness during which i was absolutely fit and healthy and ready to again, you model. >> my only headliner is this month. i can't afford to be sick, right? >> you model yourself on arctic explorers, simon. so that's what

welcome back to the headliners. the news that might be of more interest to me than you. nicholas in the guardian. how to stop the existential acceleration of time . acceleration of time. >> right. try something to new stop the days whizzing past. researchers suggest . so this is researchers suggest. so this is another story about that pope having a big hat in italy. we say to discover hot water when you somehow state the obvious is to discover hot water. >> can you say that in italian? >> can you say that in italian? >> please ask roberto l'acqua calda nice or scoprire is the you should watch ripley with andrew scott on netflix. >> it's very it's quite slow, but it's beautiful and black and

white and it's all set in 1960s italy. and there's quite a lot of italian dialogue with subtitles. okay. >> might help sending people to other channels. what are you doing anyway? >> carry on. yes. >> you're saying it's obvious, so it's obvious. >> try something new in this. this breaks the routine. >> so the idea behind this professor martin wiener is the co—author of the study, george mason university. >> martin wiener would like you to try something new that's not go there, but wiener in italian . go there, but wiener in italian. >> let's not go there either. but the idea is, if you show memorable images or if you expose yourself to novel experiences because it's new, the brain tries to gather as much information as possible and therefore it feels like time has slowed down. >> i have to say , i used to be >> i have to say, i used to be much better at this. i used to do quite a lot of like night classes and try and learn new skills and actually go to literally to classes for them. you know, i did things a stand up comedy. i did it as a class

initially in improv. i did a journalism course, and they weren't all necessarily professionally intended to become professional. they i used to really enjoy that, that feeling of learning something new does kind of drain away a bit after a while, doesn't it ? bit after a while, doesn't it? you know what i mean? >> yes. and time accelerates as you get older. it seems to. my days are a kind of joyless blur of work. so yeah, if you did, more childhood time is the longest. so isn't it? your dad's in the hardware shop buying paint and you just feels like it's about 60 years. >> your mum's in the supermarket talking to somebody at the cashier. there's got to be a sweet spot. more positive news in the times next. 71 is the new 40. >> yeah. about to turn 71. you're still a youngster. and it's basically about perceptions change. people used to think that 71 was old. now people think 74 is old. it's not that different . but, but, and they different. but, but, and they say the trend towards postponing old age is not linear and might not necessarily continue in the future. of course, those proponents of longevity escape velocity would disagree with that. the people who say that, i find that fascinating, that that life expectancy is outpacing ageing so that we could become

immortal in theory. yeah, that's quite interesting to me. >> there are certain things i think you need to do in order to remain remotely young. you do definitely need muscle mass. i think that's important. i like the way you gestured towards me. yeah, absolutely. great. and, and i think, i think a bit of sun, even though it's apparently bad for you, i know it's bad out because i got that skin cancer, but, yeah, nicholas got probably gets doctor markus wettstein. this is, by the way, the weiner and wettstein . and wettstein. >> what's that in iranian now, being german, it should be wettstein, because he's from a university in berlin . so, yeah. university in berlin. so, yeah. >> but anyway, i follow a number of accounts that talk about anti—aging on twitter. and the main thing seems to be maintain as much muscle, do resistance training at least once, and also have a good pension fund. that helps, certainly. and yeah, fat address book something i am sure we can all sympathise with in the times, nicholas, where no one needs to be heckled by a suckling infant . suckling infant. >> yeah, that's that's a that story was , i don't know, i was,

story was, i don't know, i was, i wasn't sure about this story how to feel about the comedian, comedian defence ejecting breastfeeding mother over gurgles . so this was a show in gurgles. so this was a show in australia. melbourne the comedian's name is arj barker. i don't know him , but i know him. don't know him, but i know him. he's a successful one. >> the famous bit about star wars. but go on. yeah, right, so basically this is a big show, 700 people apparently in and there's this mom who is, it turns out she was breastfeeding the child and the child. allegedly. i never thought i would use the word allegedly in this, story, but in this scenario. but, stars crying or shouting, some people say gurgling. so not not much harm done. according to some pundits . done. according to some pundits. so it apparently distracts a latch arj barker and he politely asks the mom to leave. but then it turns out she was breastfeeding . some women were breastfeeding. some women were not happy about that. they leave in solidarity , and he defends

in solidarity, and he defends himself. he says, look , this was himself. he says, look, this was a 15 plus show. yeah. the venue shouldn't have hosted a place them there in the first place. so i'm not. i'm a bit, you know, undecided who's who's right. are you undecided ? you undecided? >> you haven't done enough years of comedy, nicholas. with respect. that's what he was, right. i don't even need to know anything about it. exactly. you can't have babies in the audience. it's 15 plus. you can't people making noise at a stand—up show because i'm not famous enough to have moms eager to come to watch. >> it must be their babies. but you know, if you're a good comedian, maybe he could have, you know, made a joke about it. >> can we? we got just time to have, your thoughts on zoom fatigue, which i do find zoom fatigue, which i do find zoom fatigue increases very quickly when you see your own face in video meetings. >> and it's just this bizarre finding that you feel more tired if you can see yourself, which is quite sane. and they thought it was just women. >> not if, you know, just because you look tired in the image. >> no, you're just looking at yourself and you're thinking, oh, that's me. and that just fatigues you. i know it does for me. yeah when i watch myself on

telly. >> i know for a fact it is too tempting to look at me. i do, i do wish i would go look at you in zoom meetings. i do kind of try and minimise my own face because otherwise i find myself. i am too tempted to look at you, simon. >> and it fatigues me. it really does. >> why can't it be me anyway? those were the stories that we decided were the best, most exemplary ones from the from the papers for tomorrow. the show is nearly over. let's take another quick look at tuesday's front pages. daily mail. enough is enough. we're ready for rwanda. lift—off the telegraph. rwanda migrants to be detained within days. camilla looks delighted about that. the guardian met police chief praises conduct of officer in anti semitism row the mirror have face of a killer, namely jill dando's. the eye news rwanda plan won't work , news rwanda plan won't work, tory critics tell sunak. and finally the daily star , finally the daily star, britain's hardest surina sehgal. sadly, we had no time for that. well that's all we do have time for. thank you to my guest, nicholas de santo and nick dixon. i'll be back tomorrow at

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well. so a chilly start to the day, but definitely a brighter start to the day for northern ireland, much of scotland, northern england as well across many western areas of wales and southwest england as well. it should be a fairly dry and bright day, but sunshine will be a little bit more limited across the south coast, where there'll be some drizzly rain on and off through the day across the south—east, but it won't feel too bad in the sunshine if you're sheltered from that northerly wind. it's going to be a cold start on wednesday, though there's a greater risk of seeing a frost. generally, though still in rural areas , though still in rural areas, we've got more of a north easterly wind developing on wednesday that will bring in a few showers across the east coast, but in the west it's going to be another fairly dry, bright and warm feeling day in the sunshine. looking ahead to the sunshine. looking ahead to the rest of the week, while still some chilly nights to come and it looks like it will turn a little bit more unsettled from fri day. >> friday. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> it's 9 pm. this is patrick christys tonight with me. ben leo. >> damaging for the bbc. >> damaging for the bbc. >> well, you can't have the fact that one of the most trusted men in britain turns out really to be not worthy of that trust. >> nine months and 326 grand later, huw edwards finally resigns. we have 500 highly trained individuals ready to escort illegal migrants all the way to rwanda . rishi promises way to rwanda. rishi promises rwanda lift off but first he has a clash with the lords. >> good evening dominic cummings broke the rules. the country can see that and it shocked the government cannot and channel 4 promises totally unbiased election coverage with very impartial presenters. >> meanwhile, a child rapist can stay in the uk because booting him out get this might hurt his feelings. also, a tv exclusive tonight , a feelings. also, a tv exclusive tonight, a brave nspcc

whistleblower quits the charity over fears it's grooming kids with trans ideology and talking of ideologies, have a policy for net zero emissions by 2030 to stop the rising waters . an stop the rising waters. an aussie politician makes a splash with his climate campaign video. tomorrow's newspapers front pages are on the way and tonight's top panel are ready to go. i'm joined by political commentator suzanne evans, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth, and political editor at the daily express. sam lister , strap express. sam lister, strap yourselves in. let's do this. the bbc needs to come clean about huw edwards . next. about huw edwards. next. >> hello. good evening from the gb newsroom. here are the top

stories at 9:00. well, first of all, to the latest developments from the house of lords, where peers have again pushed back on the government's rwanda plan and demanded mps think again for a fifth time. the house of lords voted to send one change to the draft legislation back to mps, demanding that rwanda won't be treated as safe until an independent monitoring group agrees. it's safe. however, lords have backed down on a second amendment calling for the to bill include an exemption for afghan nationals who assisted british troops. that's after a home office minister said the government will not send afghans who are eligible for settlement in the uk to rwanda . well, in the uk to rwanda. well, tonight's political ping pong comes after the prime minister declared earlier that enough is enough and said mps and peers will sit through the night to get the bill passed . to other get the bill passed. to other news now and to the us, where prosecutors have told a court that donald trump's alleged cover up of a hush money payment

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