good morning. it's 930 on monday. the 22nd of april. this is britain's news. when gb news with me. andrew pierce and it's carole malone . carole malone. >> police under fire after one officer threatened to arrest a man he referred to as being openly jewish. rishi sunak hasn't backed a met police chief. so should mark rowley resign .7 he won't. resign? he won't. >> and will the rwanda bill finally passed the deadlock bill is back in the commons today and rishi sunak is going to be speaking about it later this morning. but will he backed down over afghan war veterans ? over afghan war veterans? >> de—banking complaints have surged by 44% since nigel farage had his bank account closed for xenophobia. he joins us later in the show . the show. >> don't miss that and killing nurse appeal. the baby serial killer lucy letby has appeal against her conviction is due to be heard today.

>> we'd love to hear what you have to say. send your views and post your comments by visiting gb news at com. you're say sorry. i always get that wrong. >> but first we want to talk about yes we do. student. that student who was nearly booted out of university, robert ivinson, overheard in his room saying veganism stupid. >> why can't you say that in university anymore? >> it's actually first though. headunes >> it's actually first though. headlines ray addison. >> thanks, guys. good morning. it's 931. our top stories. the prime minister will try to convince peers to back his controversial rwanda plan later, after months of debate and delay, rishi sunak will hold a press conference this morning to underline why he believes it's vital to stop small boats crossing the english channel. piers have repeatedly blocked the legislation with a series of

amendments, but parliament is expected to reject them again in a series of crunch votes, which could stretch late into the night . the met police night. the met police commissioner will meet the mayor of london today amid calls to resign over his force's handling of protests after an anti—semitism campaigner was threatened with arrest at a pro—palestine protest . officers pro—palestine protest. officers had described the man as, quote, openly jewish and said his presence was, quote, antagonising demonstrators . sir antagonising demonstrators. sir mark rowley will meet members of london's jewish community, including the board of deputies of british jews, the london jewish forum and the community safety trust . thames water is safety trust. thames water is warning bills could sky rocket by more than 40% as it puts forward an investment plan amid a funding crisis. the troubled water company has proposed an increase in spending worth £1.9 billion, on top of its existing five year business plan . it five year business plan. it would see extra money spent on

environmental projects in an effort to treat sewage spills and chronic leaks. effort to treat sewage spills and chronic leaks . communities and chronic leaks. communities secretary michael gove has previously said that customers must not be forced to cover the costs of the company's mismanagement. thames water is struggling to prevent a total collapse of its business amid £15 billion of debt , collapse of its business amid £15 billion of debt, and the foreign secretary is visiting central asia to boost british ties with the region. lord david cameron will travel to tajikistan, kyrgyzstan , tajikistan, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, turkmenistan, kazakhstan and mongolia on his five day trip. he comes amid concerns that trade sanctions on russia are not being enforced, including the sale of vehicles manufactured in the uk . for the manufactured in the uk. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common shirts back now to andrew and . carol.

andrew and. carol. >> well thanks sir. hello and welcome to britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce. and it's carol morley. >> yes. they let me back again. yeah. how did that happen? i don't know, yeah, now it's rishi sunak significantly. he's not backed the metropolitan police commissioner explicitly, this is sir mark rowley over the appalling way, that jewish guy was treated on saturday. yes. >> this was a gentleman who was walking through the streets of london wearing his skullcap, wearing his skull cap, and he was approached by a police who told him that he was being openly jewish. can you believe this? and he was told to go away as as the palestinian mob was shouting nazi scum at him. >> let's remind ourselves what happened. you are quite openly jewish. >> this is a pro—palestinian march, right? i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence here. now you'll be escorted out of this area. >> go about your business. go where you like freely . or if you where you like freely. or if you choose to remain here because you are causing a breach of some

of . if i you are causing a breach of some of. if i remain here, you were arrested. there's no question . arrested. there's no question. it was antagonising a large group of people that we can't deal with. all of them. if they attack you. what they did with your presence, antagonism . your presence, antagonism. >> now, former home secretary suella braverman has led calls for mark rowley to resign, accusing him of emboldening anti—semites. she spoke with gb news earlier . news earlier. >> there's a crisis here, really, after six months of hundreds of thousands of people regularly taking to the streets to march , what they did in that to march, what they did in that incident was to protect the right of the protesters , to right of the protesters, to harass, intimidate and behave in an anti—semitic way, and at the same time tell an innocent jewish person that that person needs to give up their rights, that that person needs to stay away . away. >> well, that was suella braverman. we're joined now by the former law chancellor, sir

robert buckland, who is the conservative mp for south swindon . sir robert, morning to you. >> good morning . >> good morning. >> good morning. >> good morning andrew. >> good morning andrew. >> appalling scenes on saturday. it made me ashamed to think that jewish people , frankly, do not jewish people, frankly, do not feel safe in our in the centre of our capital city. >> utterly unacceptable. we all know the history of anti—semitism, and once it is tolerated, encouraged and then indulged in, it opens the way to other types of hate and abuse. we have to be resolute on this , we have to be resolute on this, as i think that the problem here is that the police, ordinary police officers, are put in a very weird position whereby, in effect, they have to decide side as to the, you know, the criteria set out, in fact, by the protesters. what should what what is safe. in other words, if the protesters are likely to be offended or respond violently, that means the rest of us can't

walk around london or any other place safely. now that seems to be alice through the looking glass totally backwards, where you've got that protect a prospect of violent protest and violent response, then it's the protests that should be stopped , protests that should be stopped, not the rest of us going about our lawful business. it's time, i think, that everybody got together and worked out why it is that we're having these protests time and time again with these threats of violence . with these threats of violence. so. so that's interesting. >> you're backing suella braverman in this case because she's saying if the police can't police it properly and protect jewish people, then the march shouldn't happen. and the home secretary, the metropolitan police commissioner, has the power to get it called off in conjunction with the home office. you're saying that's what should happen? >> i think that where you've got that the evidence and it's clear evidence in elements of these marches, i mean, there's some people going on these marches. we shouldn't have a problem with that. others who are filled with hate, they're using hateful, racist language , frankly, where racist language, frankly, where

there's evidence of that, then we shouldn't allow these protests to go ahead. >> sir robert , you know, is it >> sir robert, you know, is it fair to say that, under sir mark rowley that anti—semitism has been allowed to explode on our streets in a way we haven't seen for a very long time? should he resign over this? jewish leaders are calling for him to. >> well, look , i understand why >> well, look, i understand why people are calling for another head to roll. do you know, it doesn't really make any difference. we've seen heads rolling before with the metropolitan police. i don't think sacking somebody makes any difference. what we need to do is look at the whole structure here, the culture, if you like , here, the culture, if you like, and make sure that from top to bottom people are actually enforcing public order law in a more appropriate way. you know, this, this, this. if we continue down this road, freedom of expression for the majority of people is going to be curtailed. we're going to see absurd and appalling scenes like the one we saw last week about that man being described as openly

jewish. this can't go on. >> but but, sir robert, you know, people are being asked not to upset the protesters. it's all skew whiff, isn't it? it should be the other way around. the protesters who are upsetting people like gideon. gideon. falter, they they're the ones who should be arrested, not mr falter. you know, he is entitled to show that he's jewish on british streets . british streets. >> but precisely so. and we've seen a parallel of this in brussels last week . now, i'm no brussels last week. now, i'm no natcon, supporter particularly. i'm not sure that i'd ever get an invitation to their conference. but in brussels , we conference. but in brussels, we saw the same thing where the mayor of brussels issued a decree banning the conference because of anticipated offence. that could be caused, and a violent reaction by other people to people who hold held traditionalist, conservative views. i mean, the world's gone mad. you know, we've really now got to get back to what we used to do. the home secretary would often ban marches where he or she thought that they were going

to be a trouble and caused disorder, where there's clear evidence that we've got elements that are going to cause disorder and threat of violence, stop the marches. >> so let's be clear, because there will be another march on saturday, sir robert, for certain, because there's one every saturday. why they feel they have to do it every saturday. would you say this weekend it should be cancelled by the government home office, i think look, i think they should look at the evidence and where there's evidence that we've got these elements, they should intervene. >> and i think the organisers themselves now should pause and step back. let's remember we're in a different position in gaza at the moment. everybody's looking at the humanitarian crisis. we should be focusing on that. crisis. we should be focusing on that . there's crisis. we should be focusing on that. there's a wide crisis. we should be focusing on that . there's a wide agreement that. there's a wide agreement about the need to look after innocent women and children in gaza. let's just pause these marches, please . they've made marches, please. they've made their point. we all know what their point. we all know what their views are . let's clear the their views are. let's clear the streets of london and allow them to be safe places for everybody, not just people who choose to pursue a particular political agenda. >> we hear what you say, but

that's not going to happen . that's not going to happen. these marches have been going on for six months now, and people are saying that mark rowley has been given extra powers to deal with the disruption that they're causing, and he's not using them. why would you think that is? >> yeah. look again , you know, i >> yeah. look again, you know, i was part of a government which toughened and strengthened pubuc toughened and strengthened public order law. there were further moves last year. public order law. there were further moves last year . you can further moves last year. you can balance freedom of expression. we all want freedom of speech and the freedom to protest. but you've got to balance it with the rights of everybody else to go about their lawful business. and i think that the evidence here is clear that these marches is there are elements of these marches that present a real threat to the to the rest of us. it's time that we stopped having to live our lives being dictated by the protesters, and instead we looked at things through the proper lens, which is the rest of the law abiding public. >> let me ask you, as a former justice secretary, robert, are you embarrassed that still the victims of one of the great scandals of our time, the infected blood has been dragging

on since the 70s and 80s and nowhere near compensation. thousands of people have died. i'm not. it's not an issue in the sense for this government. they weren't responsible, but it's on their watch . and it it's on their watch. and it looks to me like this compensation bill is going to be kicked down the road into another government after a general election . general election. >> yeah, i'm very frustrated about this. i voted to support an amendment to the bill last year to allow the compensation scheme to be set up. you know, the conservative government does a good a good, good record on this. we set up the inquiry. it's due to report very, very soon. everybody knows the outcome will be that there needs to be a compensation scheme because people are dying and we're losing people before they get their compensation. we need to make sure that we hit the ground running once. sir brian langstaff, the judge, reports , langstaff, the judge, reports, and that we get that money out. now, the government have said they're going to do this. i really don't know now why they're allowing it to look as if they're dragging their feet on it and looking reluctant. you know, everybody needs to be

front footed. get on with this because we are losing people to this horrific the horrific consequences of the contaminated blood scandal. >> all right. sir robert, that's sir robert buckland who's the mp for swindon south, former justice secretary. and it is a great scandal and i know he'll be keeping up the pressure. up next we're going to be speaking to the legendary lobbyist piers pottinger, about what on earth has happened to the standard of our mps after mark menzies is the latest one to stand down. how many tory mps do you think have had the whip withdrawn from them since rishi sunak became prime minister barely two years ago, 11 by the way, there are ten labour mps. what's become of the quality of our mps? you're listening to britain's newsroom on gb news with me.

well, inevitably. mark menzies. he was the mp for fylde. he still is the mp for fardis now. is he standing now as an mp and quitting the conservative party following claims he misused

campaign funds and demanded cash from a party aide? >> at 3:15 am, he said he was tied up on a chair or something. >> yeah, with bad people. yes. he wanted £5,000. he chose to. 6500 pounds. >> oh, i'm so fast, carol. but he isn't the only tory mp that's had a scandal recently. since rishi sunak's been prime minister, he's seen 11 other mps suspended from the party and labour can't grow too much because they've currently got nine mps suspended. >> so do they need more vetting? what become piers pottinger you've been dealing with mps , you've been dealing with mps, what, since the 1980s? yes. in your world, the world of public affairs, they just aren't made of the stuff they were before. >> no, i mean, this is another example of i mean, the calibre of these people . it's so low. of these people. it's so low. this chap menzies or as we would call him in scotland, mingus is very minging and i mean, he really clearly, more than i think it was in 2010 or 11. he

was accused of , providing think it was in 2010 or 11. he was accused of, providing drugs for an underage teenager, a rent boy, and you would have thought that might have stopped him being made a minister of state. and then an ambassador. >> he also got a dog. >> he also got a dog. >> dog drunk in 2017, right? >> dog drunk in 2017, right? >> i mean, and was it extraordinary? >> wasn't it, the last night of the proms? he was throwing chairs about and causing ruckus. >> the guy's been a loose cannon for a long time, and it's absolutely shocking to me. but this is what we've got now. a group of people, i mean, as you've pointed out, so many of these mps are suspended or losing the whip and the very least and you keep seeing people behaving in a way that most ordinary people would think is bizarre and indeed shocking . how bizarre and indeed shocking. how did they become mps? >> i wrote a piece about this in the mail on friday, and i quoted a former minister saying, no serving minister saying, why can't mps just behave like people in normal society behave because they just don't remember 7 because they just don't remember ? we had we had, the one who was

suspended for groping people at the carlton club, groping people in a but i mean, actually, you're voting for them and you want them to be better than ordinary people. >> and if you look back to margaret's great cabinet, we had people of serious stature, people of serious stature, people of serious stature, people of integrity , people of people of integrity, people of great ability and intellectual prowess , people like lord prowess, people like lord carrington, even michael heseltine, who i was no friend of his, but obviously because he wasn't a friend of thatcher's, but he had stature and he still he can still talk with authority and people respect him. but i don't think anybody respects many of our politicians today, but if any, because the vetting procedure is quite stringent, isn't it? it should be. it certainly used to be now is it. well, i wonder i mean, certainly used to be now is it. well, i wonderi mean, i do well, i wonder i mean, i do wonder about the whole of the conservative party because i think their communications are terrible. i think their selection process is terrible. i think the messaging they put out is terrible, it, i think it's a mess. and i mean, people on the

left complain about the reform party having some loony candidates, but they've had two, which indeed they do. but they've got a tiny organisation compared to the conservatives who have a lengthy and rigorous procedure to select people who they think would be fit as candidates . somehow they think would be fit as candidates. somehow this has gone out of the window and we're getting all this, these extraordinary people. >> it used to be a question malone and pearse redmond is joining a selection meeting. you may be on the shortlist now. so you've done your bit, you've made your speech and they all do it. and then somebody in the association will say, is there anything in your private life that could potentially cause embarrassment to this association which is used? we've been saying, are you gay or something like that? and of course now they don't ask that question because all they all used to say was no. >> well, one, one, very well known person who became an mp , known person who became an mp, at his selection meeting, he rang me in a break to say i don't think this is going well at all, they asked me why i

haven't brought my wife and they're suspicious that i don't have a wife. and i said , well, i have a wife. and i said, well, i did warn you that you needed to bnng did warn you that you needed to bring your wife and show that you're normal. >> yeah, and that was how it used to be. >> do you think the big beasts of yesteryear do you think perhaps they they weren't exposed in the way mps are today? you know, the sex scandals, the stuff social media has brought that about hasn't it? >> i think social media has brought a lot about and certainly in even in thatcher's cabinet, they weren't all by any means, blameless. cabinet, they weren't all by any means, blameless . and their means, blameless. and their private lives had some interesting aspects to it , but, interesting aspects to it, but, it doesn't mean , i mean, today it doesn't mean, i mean, today with the social media, which i think is more of a negative influence than a positive one, it's something they have to deal with, but they ought to be aware. absolutely be above, any kind of reproach. and that goes with the role . and if you're with the role. and if you're

going to take serving your constituency and the country seriously, you need to be sure that you behave with absolute probity . probity. >> well, this guy did. he was always going to be found out, wasn't he? you know, he rings the volunteers in the party and says, give me six and a half grand because i'm being held. and he got it and he got it. but he must have known he was going to be found out. well, i mean, stupidity. >> you do see some curious people. and in of course, these days there's a huge plethora of what are called spads, special advisers who, if you see them collectively, they're a pretty terrifying group because they're very young, very, very bitchy and gossipy. and i went to a dnnks and gossipy. and i went to a drinks party with some of them not that long ago, and it was really quite a deeply unpleasant experience. and these are the people who the only special advisers, because they want to be mps. >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> and they're the people who who slip into the system. and before you know it, we'll have more menzies like people around. we should have a minimum age for

an mp. >> i've never thought that before because, no, we've got one. we won a by election day 25. we've got 20. we had bernadette devlin in the 70s, the northern ireland mp, she was. she was 21. should there be a minimum age? >> well, i think so, but, i mean, i think when the awful starmer gets in, he's going to reduce the voting age to 16. yes. so we might end up with peter andre. the kardashians, goodness knows who's going to be an mp. with 16 year olds voting . an mp. with 16 year olds voting. >> we've just got about a minute. can sir mark rowley, the metropolitan police commissioner, survive after that appalling scene which we reprised here on gb news this morning? >> he shouldn't he shouldn't survive . i'm sorry. when you saw survive. i'm sorry. when you saw that that policeman, first of all, should not be back on the streets ever again. you cannot say those kind of things , but say those kind of things, but think is a person going about their lawful, normal business? >> you're very obviously he must be getting his instructions from the top, though. well, of course he's coming from rome. >> and also you could see from the video he was highly stressed. and yet that

particular demonstration was quite small in relative terms and didn't seem to be to be at boiling point, but yet he was very, very stressed out. hence he said these things . i'm sure he said these things. i'm sure in his defence he'd say he wouldn't normally do that, but that's not the point. he must have. as you say, carol had he knew what he was, his parameters and he. and if those are the parameters and set by rolly, rolly must go immediately. all right, that's piers pottinger always tell us that it's coming up. >> we'll be talking about there's a press conference coming up live with the prime minister talking about rwanda. fed up talking about why did you get the planes in the air? you're listening to me, andrew. this is karen malone. this is britain's newsroom and gb news. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news. weather from the met office a bit of a cloudier start for many of us this morning, particularly compared

to over the weekend with outbreaks of rain that will continue to push their way southwards as we head through the rest of this morning. but rain not turning particularly heavy, but a much cloudier and damp day than we saw over the weekend. southern and eastern parts of england holding on to a bit of sunshine through the morning , although turning hazier morning, although turning hazier through the afternoon. but it's northern parts of scotland that will definitely see the best of the sunshine this afternoon and feeling quite warm here too. we could see highs across scotland of 14, 15, maybe 16 degrees, but definitely not quite as warm for much of england and wales, with highs of only 12 or 13 degrees through the rest of monday. that rain continues to push its way southwards quite slowly overnight and into the early hours of tuesday morning, but definitely turning drier across much of scotland into northern england, with plenty of clear skies around. and that could lead to quite a chilly night again. generally not quite as cold though. under all of that cloud and rain, temperatures in the mid to high single figures, but perhaps some frost across scotland, northern ireland and into northern parts of england to start on tuesday. for the northern half of the uk, though, it is a brighter start to the day. on tuesday. plenty of

sunshine through as we head through the morning, but that rain continues to slowly push its way towards the southeast so quite a cloudy and grey start to the day here. still remaining quite cloudy through the afternoon in the very far south—east of england, but elsewhere there will be some sunshine, although some scattered showers along some nonh scattered showers along some north sea coastal regions. temperatures a little below average but still reaching around 13 or 14 degrees. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> still to come, we'll be live from the prime minister's press conference on rwanda in about half an hour, and the bill returns to the commons, but we'll be back down on. will he back down on afghan war veterans? i think he should. >> well, i think he should. >> well, i think he should. >> currently they risked their lives and limbs for this country. and if they are crossing the channel on small boats, they shouldn't be. they should be here by right and then get it passed. >> absolutely. then get it. >> absolutely. then get it. >> so we'll be interesting if the prime minister does back down that

channel. >> it's 10 am. on monday. the 22nd of april. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and me. camilla >> so, sustained criticism of the metropolitan police after the metropolitan police after the police threatened to arrest a man who was referred to as openly jewish. rishi sunak has significantly failed to back the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley , commissioner, sir mark rowley, amid calls for him to resign and will rwanda, finally past the deadlock? >> bill is back in the commons today and rishi sunak is determined to make it law. but will he back down over afghan war veterans? we'll be live from the pm's press conference in just under half an hour. >> and remember nigel farage in the royal bank of scotland . the royal bank of scotland. coutts de—banking complaints have surged 44% since nigel's bank account was closed for and these so called xenophobia. he's joining us later in the show.

you won't want to miss that. >> and exeter students threatened with expulsion. what did he say to cause such controversy ? i'll tell you, he controversy? i'll tell you, he said. veganism is stupid. >> well, i'm sorry, the university is stupid. >> well , well, they're totally >> well, well, they're totally stupid. but no one talked about how unhealthy veganism can be too. but anyway, vitamin b12 anyway, we'd love to hear what you think. send your views and post your comments on gbnews.com. your say, but hear the news first with. addison rae addison . addison. >> good morning. it's 10:01. addison. >> good morning. it's10:01. our top stories this hour. the prime minister is urging peers that there must be no more delay over there must be no more delay over the government's controversial rwanda plan. after months of debate, rishi sunak held a

committee meeting this morning to underline why he believes it's vital to kerb small boats crossing the english channel. piers have repeatedly blocked the legislation with a series of amendments , but parliament is amendments, but parliament is expected to reject them in a series of crunch votes, which could stretch late into the night. former home secretary suella braverman told gb news. the rwanda plan will fail regardless. >> i believe the bill won't work and that's the more serious issue . it won't work because issue. it won't work because it's left too many gaps. it won't work because people who are going to be detained will bnng are going to be detained will bring individual claims immediately and will just clog up the courts , and we won't get up the courts, and we won't get them off on flights to rwanda. that's the big problem. so i don't really take a view on this amendment, which i believe is incidental to the bigger issue that we've got with the bill. >> the met police commissioner will meet the mayor of london today amid calls for him to resign over his force's handling of protests. it's after an

anti—semitism campaigner was threatened with arrest at a pro—palestine protest . the pro—palestine protest. the officers had described him as openly jewish and said his presence was antagonising demonstrators . sir mark rowley demonstrators. sir mark rowley will meet members of london's jewish community, including the board of deputies of british jews, the london jewish forum and the community safety trust. andrew mitchell is deputy foreign secretary. he's told us the met's made a big mistake. >> well, it was an appalling error by the metropolitan police. and while while i don't think you should necessarily criticise the bobby who was actually dealing with it, there are strategic issues for the metropolitan police about how they ensure that people of any faith and no faith can go freely around our capital city. so i have no doubt at all that the home secretary with whom this really rests will be holding. holding sir mark, to account for what happened and making sure that nothing like this happens again. it was a terrible error of judgement by the police.

>> thames water is warning that bills could skyrocket by more than 40% as it puts forward an investment plan amid a funding crisis. the troubled water company has proposed an increase in spending worth £1.9 billion on top of its existing five year business plan. it would see extra money spent on environmental projects in an effort to treat sewage spills and chronic leaks. communities secretary michael gove has previously said that customers must not be forced to cover the costs of the company's mismanagement. thames water is struggling to prevent a total collapse of its business amid £15 billion of debt . the foreign £15 billion of debt. the foreign secretary is visiting central asia to boost british ties with the region. lord david cameron is currently in tajikistan but will travel to five countries, including kazakhstan and uzbekistan, during his five day trip. it comes amid concerns that trade sanctions on russia are not being enforced, including the sale of vehicles

manufactured here in the united kingdom . child serial killer kingdom. child serial killer lucy letby will attempt to launch an appeal later. she was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after being convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others attempting to murder six others at the countess of chester hosphaps at the countess of chester hospital's neonatal unit. lawyers for the former nurse will ask senior judges for permission to challenge that. at a hearing in london. if it's refused, it will mark the end of the appeal process for the sale of wet wipes containing plastic is expected to be banned in an attempt to reduce marine litter. wet wipes eventually break down into microplastics, which damage ecosystems and contribute to water pollution. today, environment secretary steve barclay will announce plans to introduce legislation before the summer recess in july, with the rest of the uk set to follow by the autumn. but labour says the government is not going far enough and an outright ban on manufacture is needed. and the

first statue of queen elizabeth ii to be created since her death, has been unveiled . based death, has been unveiled. based in oakham in rutland, the seven foot bronze statue is england's first permanent memorial to her late majesty. created by sculptor hywel prattley, it shows the late queen alongside her beloved corgis. it marks what would have been her 98th birthday. well, for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. you can scan the qr code on your screen right now or go to gb news. carmelites. now back to andrew and carole . back to andrew and carole. >> chennai six with britain's news on gb news andrew pearson. calm down. i'm sorry, i don't think much of that stature. >> she's unrecognisable. looks nothing like her. >> if you if i blinked, i'd say. oh, why have they unveiled a new statue of queen victoria? >> well, i don't even think she looks like queen victoria. i mean, who demanded? look, here

it is again. i mean, it's just it's a very young queen. >> she's in all her full state regalia . but why didn't they regalia. but why didn't they have a picture of her? as we most people remember her in one of those those lovely outfits which always bright coats with a hat and coats with a little pillbox and the hat so people could see. and people need to see me. that and her handbag and her handbag. i mean, if it wasn't for the corgis, you'd think, who's that? >> i miss the queen, don't you? i really do, i miss the queen. >> i miss her smiling face beaming out of the front page of the newspapers and her common sense. >> and i think what's happening in the royal family. the fact that, you know, kate and charles are ill, there's very there's instability there when the queen was there, it didn't. she kept the whole thing feeling stable and we took it for granted in a sense, because of her longevity. >> vie. prince philip, 99, queen mother, 101. nearly 102. the queen got to 9596. and now we've got prince charles with cancer at 75. kate having treatment , at 75. kate having treatment, preventative treatment for cancen preventative treatment for cancer. what is she? >> i suppose, but i suppose you know we're more open now. maybe things were happening with the

queen and, you know, in years gone by that we didn't know about, but she still managed to soldier on and we got some gb views coming in. >> of course, we want to hear what you think. you send your views and post your comments by visiting gb news. dot com.com/your say okay. >> mike says mps need to be limited to a maximum of two terms in parliament and then off back to the real world with them no longer in public service jobs live says you couldn't make it up with these mps. >> well, i know that's because yet another mp stood down. now, does the metropolitan police have an anti—semitic problem? rishi sunak has significantly, in my view, failed to back the chief of the met, sir mark rowley, and said he was appalled by the force's threat to arrest a jewish man at a pro—palestinian rally on saturday. just let's remind you of what happened with your listening on the radio or watching you are quite openly jewish. >> this is a pro—palestinian march , right? i'm not accusing march, right? i'm not accusing you of anything, but i'm worried about the reaction to your presence. presence. >> presence. >> people here now getting out of this area. go about your business. go where you like freely, or if you choose to

remain here because you are causing a breach of some of . if causing a breach of some of. if i remain here, you were arrested because your presence is antagonising a large group of people that we can't deal with. all of them if they attack you or if they did, they think was your presence antagonism? >> clearly a very senior police officer. so this is what the former home secretary, suella braverman , told us here on gb braverman, told us here on gb news this morning. i think there's a crisis here, really. >> after six months of hundreds of thousands of people regularly taking to the streets to march , taking to the streets to march, what they did in that incident was to protect the right of the protesters , to harass, protesters, to harass, intimidate and behave in an anti—semitic way, and at the same time tell an innocent jewish person that that person needs to give up their rights, that that person needs to stay away . away. >> joining us now is stephen silverman from the campaign

against anti—semitism and chief executive of uk lawyers for israel, jonathan turner, welcome both . both. >> stephen, to you first. what is your reaction to what you saw on saturday? >> well, look, i think what we've seen is, some serious flaws that exist at new scotland yard being exposed here, we've seen that, sir mark rowley, who has presided over the worst outbreak of anti—semitism in london since records began, has implemented a policing strategy thatis implemented a policing strategy that is , is, that protects those that is, is, that protects those who would spread anti—semitic hatred. we saw in the video that, an innocent jewish man was threatened with arrest while those who were hurling abuse at him, calling him a nazi, calling him, calling him a nazi, calling him scum , saying they were going him scum, saying they were going to follow him around london. in saying these things in close proximity to the police , were

proximity to the police, were not, threatened with arrest at all. they were just left to get on with it, we have seen from the response from new scotland yard initially an incredibly crass apology , and we've seen crass apology, and we've seen that the actual officers, the frontline officers themselves , frontline officers themselves, have been put in a ridiculous and incredibly difficult position , which is why the position, which is why the officer, who is focused on in that video falls into the trap of using highly inappropriate language . language. >> stephen, do you think sir mark rowley's inertia is directly responsible for the explosion of anti—semitism on our streets? >> i think it is clear that the lack of proper enforcement dunng lack of proper enforcement during these marches, where we have had genocidal, anti—semitic chanting, calls for jihad have had genocidal, anti—semitic chanting, calls forjihad and chanting, calls for jihad and intifada , swastikas on display, intifada, swastikas on display, images evoking medieval blood libel on display, people saying

things like hitler was right. the failure to enforce the law properly, in those situations, has emboldened, those who wish ill harm to jewish people and is resulting in this increase in in anti—semitic hate crime that we are now seeing . are now seeing. >> jonathan turner, we spoke earlier to, robert buckland, sir robert buckland, who's a former justice secretary. he's not on suella bravermans wing of the conservative party he's on the one nation left, if you like. but he said it's enough now of these marches, probably saturday's because we see we get them every saturday. should be called off. there's no need for any more. it's stretching police resources too much and it's turned. they are turning central london into a no go area for jewish people. >> well that's right. first of all, i agree with everything that stephen has just said , and that stephen has just said, and also, with what suella braverman has said, this is a question of balance , the freedom of balance, the freedom of expression and right to ,

expression and right to, demonstrate to, express concern about government policy, about, what's going on elsewhere and so on. that is all very important. but other people have rights too. and, these anti israel marches and demonstrations have occupied a part of central london, an iconic part of central london, with numerous important buildings and art galleries and so on, for every saturday for weeks on end. and i think this does need to be balanced against the rights of other people to visit these areas on saturdays, and that balance has not been achieved. and i do think that enough is enough, one possible vie would be for the police to require , be for the police to require, these demonstrations and marches to be held somewhere else, and allow people back into, this area of central london, at

weekends , in safety, another weekends, in safety, another possibility would be to, call an end to them altogether. the police do have the power. >> jonathan, can i ask you, do you think that mark rowley feels that if he tries to stop the palestinian protesters, there will be a riot and his police won't be able to cope with that ? won't be able to cope with that? >> well, this is something that really does puzzle me, because there are 35,000 police officers in london, in the metropolitan police, that's not including ancillary staff , and yet these ancillary staff, and yet these demonstrations are policed by a thousand, maybe 1500 police. i don't understand why they can't have more police on the job, they don't have enough police to arrest the offenders. sometimes they have to. it's reported that they have to. it's reported that they have to arrest people, that have been arrested and should be arrested and, and should potentially be prosecuted ,

potentially be prosecuted, because they don't have enough manpower on the street . and i manpower on the street. and i think that is one of the as far as it seems to me, that's one of the key strategic failures that has been made by the leadership of the metropolitan police. and the buck stops with sir mark rowley. and that is one of the reasons why i think he should go. he's also lost the confidence of a large part of the jewish community, which is important in this time of that there is a war in the middle east and therefore there are these tensions, i think it is very unsatisfactory that, he's really lost, the confidence of, jewish people and its small minority, but are vulnerable minority, but are vulnerable minority, even before the current war, you were 4 or 5 times more likely you're a jew in britain to be the victim of a hate crime, now it must be more than that, because the hate crimes against jews have increased several times, since ,

increased several times, since, since then. okay, so, i think it really is, some, some real, change needs to be made. >> all right. that's stephen cilm from the campaign against anti—semitism and the chief executive of uk lottery. so jonathan turner talking about sir mark rowley. now thames water is warning that bills could skyrocket by more than 40. this is the biggest water company in britain, which is an extra £627 a year. >> yeah, and you've just won the water cube . okay. water cube. okay. >> it's okay. >> it's okay. >> liam halligan he's the he's the expert i reckon. somebody said thames water are a shocker. >> so thames water are a privatised utility . they were privatised utility. they were privatised utility. they were privatised in 1989 and believe it or not, thames water provide water for 27% of uk households, mainly in the south east. as the name suggests. what's going on, what's going on is that thames water, which is partly owned by the uk government, by the chinese government, by canadian pension funds, by the uk universities pension fund.

obviously there's been lots and lots of controversy over sewage and the victorian infrastructure and the victorian infrastructure and a lack of repairs and all the rest of it, and that's very, very controversial. so what thames water have done is they've proposed to off.what, which is the regulator, that they're going to invest £18.7 billion over the next five years, between 2025 and 2030. but they say if you want all this investment from us to plug all these holes and stop all this beach pollution, we're going to have to put bills up by 40% over and above inflation over the next five years. now, of course, off.what , who are of course, off.what, who are meant to be there to protect consumers mostly they've rejected that proposal from thames water and a final ofwat decision is expected on the 23rd of may. so look what's going on here as we come up to an election. you've got , thames election. you've got, thames water, which is obviously private sector owned over many,

many years. many, many shareholders have taken out hundreds of millions, billions of pounds in dividends, which should have gone into repairing the victorian , which may or may the victorian, which may or may not have, you know, depending on the contract , haven't seen the the contract, haven't seen the precise fine print of the contract almost no one ever does. on the other hand, we're now in a situation where thames water are so massively indebted because they've been taking on more debt and interest rates have gone up and that debt is harder to service. they're now just let me finish the point, carol. they're now on the brink of collapse. and if they collapse, who's going to get the blame? the government, of course. so it's like a mexican stand off. >> but they're making it sound like doing the repairs. they're doing us a favour. that's what that's part of what we pay in our water bills for them to upgrade them. there should have been doing it over the years and haven't been. >> we do have a creaking victorian water infrastructure and it needs lots and lots of repairs. but a privatised industry doesn't want to do the repairs, it just wants to take out the dividends. and that's

the basic problem of the model. but as we approach an election, the government gets more and more nervous. the private sector companies , they will deny this. companies, they will deny this. they will chance their arm and try and spook the government into giving more money. otherwise the government's going to have a water nationalisation crisis and of course, nationalisation will cross tens of billions of pounds. >> and, you know, people watching this programme or listening to programme will all be i'll tell you, i can tell you where there's a pipe which leaks every third or fourth week. that's right. and it never gets fixed properly. or they put a sticking plaster on it and then it leaks again. >> there's absolutely no excuse for pumping more sewage into our onto our water. >> and at the moment, the way, the way the industry is structured, fortunately, it strikes me as an outsider looking on and trying to understand what's happening. it strikes me there's no real incentives for anyone in the system, as it currently is, to sort this out. no consequences and no consequences , except the and no consequences, except the consequence that the government could have a massive political problem on its hands unless it stumps up cash, i.e, cash. so either we're going to pay

through more bills, or we're going to pay through some taxpayer rescue fund. on no account does this seem to be providing value for money for households or businesses that have sky high water bills that are set to get higher and it you know, for me, this is the kind of thing that gives privatisation a bad name. >> i wouldn't put my little toe in the river thames, frankly. no, it might fall off. it's so horrible and disgusting . well, horrible and disgusting. well, it's true, isn't it? would you go swimming in the thames? >> no. and thames water is my authority as well. >> it's not the i mean, i've spent a lot of time rowing on the thames, believe it or not. so the thames is actually quite a clean river for a major city. it's much cleaner than it used to be, but it has deteriorated a bit in the last few years due dunng bit in the last few years due during this stand off between thames water, ofwat and the government. >> labour used to have a policy to take the water companies back into public ownership, which would probably be quite popular. well, i dropped it keir starmer it would be popular, but it'd also be very, very expensive because you've got £250 million pension fund deficit .

pension fund deficit. >> you've got you've got loads and loads of debt. the money that's been paid out in dividends to bankers who have long since disappeared into their, their beach houses. that's gone. so this is this. it's no wonder for me, somebody who generally likes free markets likes to take a pro—business approach for me, thames water's all deny this. that's their right. but it strikes me, having watched this over many, many years, that this looks like privatisation gone wrong. >> and canadian pension companies do not care about the water that you put in your kettle. yes, caramel . well, kettle. yes, caramel. well, that's liam halligan who is our economics and business editor. still to come, more holiday flights have been suspected of being jammed by the russians. we'll be discussing that and more

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but anyway, crack on. we've got the panel in the press panel. we've got matthew laza. we've got. good morning. welcome. both. >> lovely. thank you for having us. >> us. >> always good to see matthew. yes. >> yeah. so it's the pm is now refusing to back the under—fire met chief matt road. it's all over the papers and i think it's going to be all over the news agenda today. so you can just see the confidence leaking away from the met chief. the pm's spokesperson yesterday refused to express full confidence, and critically. oliver dowden, the deputy chair of the tory party said that the met had shown disrespect. so deputy prime minister not deputy chair of the tory party, is deputy prime minister. yeah, he was. yeah. >> sunak has not called for him to go. lots of jewish leaders have called for him to go. but sunak has not. neither has khan. >> no. absolutely. well, khan is i mean, khan is. i don't know what khan is doing because he's said he's going to meet with some mark today to discuss community relations, is the quote i would be discussing the particular incident. >> the london mayor was a key figure in getting rid of cressida dick. >> absolutely. so he's got four. he was the former met chief who rowley replaced. i mean, you

know, to lose, you know, to paraphrase oscar wilde, to lose one met chief, etc, so what i think is particularly interesting is that a meeting has been planned this week between sir mark and chris philip, who is the police minister, the junior minister in the home office, and that has now been upgraded. and the home secretary, james cleverly, is now going to attend that meeting . but what makes it worse is this is just an absolute case study in how not to handle a crisis, isn't it? because remember, the met apologised on friday and had to apologise for their apology? yes and now the met has offered , the chap at the met has offered, the chap at the centre of this gideon, a, gideon falter, a meeting , but not with falter, a meeting, but not with rowley himself. i mean, you just like , literally who is advising like, literally who is advising them? you know, it's just extraordinary . they obviously extraordinary. they obviously should be meeting. if i was rowley, i'd be meeting with him this morning and talking things through. of course he should. but i mean, not saying. oh, you can see one of my juniors staff, but emma rowley came into this job after cressida dick, and he promised he was going to revolutionise the force.

>> he was going to change it entirely. do you think he's made any change at all? is it better or worse? >> well, i think that this is extreme. really bad for sunak. if he loses another met chief met leader before the election, things couldn't get worse for him. i think over the weekend things heated up that article by suella braverman saying really coming out and saying met chief sir mark rowley has to go as you say, sunak doesn't really know what he's he doesn't know which side to take. he wants to you know, he's sort of saying he doesn't support sir mark rowley at the moment. they're having these crisis meetings, but i think that there's a growing sense and this isn't just the occurrence with with gideon falter . this occurrence with with gideon falter. this is occurrence with with gideon falter . this is a occurrence with with gideon falter. this is a growing sense that the policing in london of these big protests, i mean, if you're not in london, i can't tell you every week. and i know, i know, they're happening around the country, but the policing has not been fair. it has not been competent . actually, i been competent. actually, i don't think many of these officers see, i think it's skewed. well, it's very skewed. >> but also said that a long time ago she was right. >> yes. it looks there was a

sense right from the start that it was softer on, on on one side. but also i don't think many of these officers are qualified to be on the front line and to be policing thousands of demos demonstrated in london. >> the guy who was to talking gideon falter looked like an experienced. yeah, he did, and he was also very nervous. you could see. but you know, the bottom line is rowley has allowed this to happen. he's allowed this to happen. he's allowed anti—semitism to explain. >> but that's why i make the point that it's not just this event last saturday. it's now a week ago. last saturday. this has been happening six months since october the 7th. these demos, there's been major concern raised repeatedly about the policing of these pro—palestinian protests, the met police. >> i was going to say it looks like matthew, the met police have taken a side. >> yeah. and i think that's that's the real danger. and i think there's also a feeling in the jewish community, that as david baddiel says, you know, in his, in his book, you know, jews don't count that if this had been another ethnic minority or if it had been a woman of a male protest or, you know, whatever, that nobody would ever have said that nobody would ever have said that hypothesise here.

>> imagine if this was a woman muslim burqa and she was told, i'm sorry, you're looking you're looking like a muslim today. if you don't go, i don't think mark rowley would still be there, be arrested. >> exactly . yeah. >> exactly. yeah. >> exactly. yeah. >> what would happen if openly muslim? >> exactly. >> exactly. >> it'd be gone. be gone. >> it'd be gone. be gone. >> and i think what is so powerful is what gideon falter said. he said, not only is london becoming a no go zone for jews, it's becoming a police enforced jew free zone. yeah, and that's very, very powerful that he feels that that even his presence is seen as an antagonism, as a provocation. he was literally just there. yeah. and yes. and i don't jewish. >> i don't understand the kind of somebody said to me that day, oh, well, you know, he was, if you put the counterargument, it's oh, well, you know, they can't be expected to, you know, keep people safe. well, i mean, look, you know, we're old enough to remember protests when i think was the anniversary of the poll tax riots this week, but a poll tax riots this week, but a poll tax riots this week, but a poll tax protest where you had the police riot shields and everything and now it seems that it's sort of they're treating these marches as though it's the notting hill carnival. yeah, when it really isn't. and they're causing distress to people placating the antagonists

rather than arresting them. >> the people who were shouting scum and nazis in front of that coppen scum and nazis in front of that copper. yes, we could hear it. why didn't they arrest them instead of talking to? >> because they feel that they're outnumbered. but if they're outnumbered. but if they're outnumbered, then either they're outnumbered, then either the protests need to not be allowed to go ahead, or you need more people on the street to stop it. >> isn't that right? >> isn't that right? >> the police, of course, and the police's job is to keep everybody safe. he was not doing anything that is the police's job. and it's only a few years ago. i remember kettling in the city of london absolutely being pinned in for hours on end. >> during the austerity protests, people were at oxford circus. people were kettled in and then cleared out. and that seems to have stopped. >> what he was saying to gideon falter that being openly jewish is provocative. >> now in london. yeah. >> now in london. yeah. >> i mean, i mean, as you say, if you replace any other protected characteristic, to use the jargon, rather than jewish in that sentence, i any other religion or or anything else then then clearly that would have been unsustainable if someone who's dressed overtly as a gay person that that means and said, you can't go that way, there'd be an outcry, wouldn't they? >> of course they would. yeah. and what i don't understand, a rainbow t shirt or you can't.

absolutely, exactly. >> i mean, what i don't understand is, you know, counter—protests happen at every single protest that's ever happened. you know, if there's a far right protest, there's a counter protest or, you know, countryside alliance, you know, whatever. so it's all it's all it's all about allowing people to protest freely but safely so that people feel that they can they can walk the streets. >> really starting to wonder, carol, whether we will be told, you know, it's not safe as a woman for you to be an openly a woman for you to be an openly a woman at this in this situation, because, come on, are we not sometimes, of course we are women who don't walk down the street in a short skirt. >> someone after sarah everard. >> someone after sarah everard. >> what was the advice? don't go up to a police officer on your own. well, yeah. >> and who would know? you know, if a policeman came up to me now and said, get into my car, i would say no, no. and they would have to arrest me or whatever, but i just wouldn't do it. but you got i mean, you got a story in the times happening only it's a place where what we're saying only 37% of voters believe the police are going, doing a good job. >> generally. >> generally. >> this is exactly what you were saying. it leads on perfectly to that. because i have said the

same thing. i wouldn't get into a police officer's car if they were on their own. i would not open my front door. as a single woman living on my own, i would not open my front door to a lone police officer. terrible and thatis police officer. terrible and that is because the lack. yeah, because the lack of confidence in the police. so this yougov survey in the times is saying only 37% of people of the population have confidence, a real lack of confidence, not only the police across the country, not just the country. yeah, not only the sort of the scandal sarah everard, wayne couzens, david carrick, the wrongand and the really, you know, evil men, i mean murderers and rapists in the met, but also just the general rise in offences. nothing being followed up, overflowing prisons, shoplifting, cybercrime , across shoplifting, cybercrime, across the board. the police are in a mess. our policing system, the cops, law and order. >> they always blame the lack of officers that we don't have. it's operational decisions. but it's not true because we are now up to speed with them. >> yeah, it's still fewer per capha >> yeah, it's still fewer per capita than it was under labour because the population is increased, but it has gone back up again, not experienced. and they're more and you know, it's gone up. but because the population has gone up, it's fewer per person. >> a lot of experienced police officers, when theresa may made that insane decision.

>> absolutely. that was, as you say, it was totally insane of theresa may when she was home secretary. and cameron, when he was prime minister, allowed her to cut police numbers. they have gone back up, as you say, carol, but as andrew says, they're less experienced and the population has gone up. >> but the operational. absolutely. what is a priority there are clear keeping the streets safe has to be number one priority. >> yeah. there are it's there are clear now numbers are going back up. it's clearly about decisions and it's about management and it's about how they're trained. because you know why were somebody trained not not to do what he did at the protest. >> so i mean, don't you think that the police forces generally have been infected by woke? they're bothered that they're more bothered now about quotas and diversity and inclusivity. then they are. >> well, i think they're bothered about ticking boxes rather than you know, we saw the you know, we saw the appalling you know, we saw the appalling you know, we saw the appalling you know, stephen paul coyte the gay serial killer where the police made huge mistakes against it. well, simultaneously, they were probably painting police cars with the rainbow flag. i'd much rather that they actually tackle crime that affects different parts of the community, rather than where seen to be diverse. i'd rather actually, you know, you know , delivered for every you know, delivered for every part of the community with. >> but you have to still pick the right person for the job.

>> exactly. >> exactly. >> you know, there was a time when the tories were on law and order would have led the labour party in the polls by 20 points. and now it's the poll by lord ashcroft. >> i also think that behind. >> i also think that behind. >> yes, but we need to refocus the police . they cannot be doing the police. they cannot be doing all of the cyber crime stuff and all of the cyber crime stuff and all of the cyber crime stuff and all of these thousands of demos that, sorry, thousands of demonstrators every weekend, as well as doing bread and butter, things like attending burglaries, which they're not doing, don't do that. bothering with shoplifting , which they're with shoplifting, which they're not doing. so they are the sort of on the streets bobby stuff is has been completely abandoned . has been completely abandoned. it seems to me you don't see police officers on. >> and what's quite interesting is, of course, we have in may coming up in just 3 to 2, two and a half weeks time. we have elections across england and wales for police and crime commissioners, one of the tories big initiatives. who knows who exactly. so i'm not sure if it's still current labour policy, but when i was there, it was labour's policy to get rid of them and spend the money on bobbies on the beat. >> would anyone notice? >> would anyone notice? >> yes, that would make more. >> yes, that would make more. >> no, no, no. but you might nofice >> no, no, no. but you might notice the bobby on the beat. i think the turnout on average for

the police and crime commissioner last time was 15. yeah. yeah it was the first one was in single figures and it's the giddy heights of 15% now. there's no other election. >> we've had 1 or 2 on the program and they speak very well. but what power do they have? >> they know and they don't have power because whatever they say, they don't feel like they're actually pulling the levers. so therefore there's no point in going to a debate between your candidates for police and crime commissioner, because whatever they say, the chief constable do what they want anyway. >> almost every police station in the country now, there are very few police stations anymore. visible bobbies on the street don't exist. that's why people can walk into shops, just fill their arms with whatever they want and walk out. >> and the only time you see a police officer in central london is on the days when there are, when they're when they're the only time that i see police officers when they are in riot vans, police officers when they're policing big demos. >> and that's why i say either we need a separate force to do that. more properly trained in crowd control last week we yet again labour peers in the house. >> we've got to go. live at five, sorry to interrupt you. you're going live to downing street because the prime minister, rishi soon is going to talk about rwanda. it's back in the commons today. let's have a listen to what he's got to say

and keep the boats coming. >> but enough is enough. no more prevarication, no more delay. parliament will sit there tonight and vote. no matter how late it goes. no ifs, no buts. these flights are going to rwanda . we are going to deliver rwanda. we are going to deliver this indispensable deterrent. so that we finally break the business model of the criminal gangs and save lives, starting from the moment that the bill passes, we will begin the process of removing those identified for the first flight. we have prepared for this moment to detain people while we prepare to remove them. we've increased detention spaces to 2200 to quickly process claims . 2200 to quickly process claims. we've got 200 trained dedicated caseworkers ready and waiting to deal with any legal cases quickly and decisively. the judiciary have made available 25 courtrooms and identified 150 judges who could provide over 5000 sitting days. the strasbourg court have amended their rule 39 procedures in line with the tests set out in our

illegal migration act, and we've put beyond all doubt that ministers can disregard these injunctions with clear guidance that if they decide to do so, civil servants must deliver that instruction and most importantly, once the processing is complete, we will physically remove people. and to do that , i remove people. and to do that, i can confirm that we've put an airfield on standby , booked airfield on standby, booked commercial charter planes for specific slots, and we have 500 highly trained individuals ready to escort illegal migrants all the way to rwanda, with 300 more trained in the coming weeks. this is one of the most complex operational endeavours the home office has carried out , but we office has carried out, but we are ready. plans are in place and these flights will go come what may . no and these flights will go come what may. no foreign court will stop us from getting flights off. rwanda is ready to , and i'd

off. rwanda is ready to, and i'd like to thank the government of rwanda for their work in strengthening their asylum system, passing legislation and setting up a new appeals tribunal . setting up a new appeals tribunal. the setting up a new appeals tribunal . the next few weeks tribunal. the next few weeks will be about action, but whilst i'm conscious people want deeds, not words , i'm not going to not words, i'm not going to outline now exactly what will happen when. and there are good operational reasons for this. there is a loud minority who will do anything to disrupt our plan, so we will not be giving away sensitive operational detail which could hinder all the progress made to date. teams across government need to be able to get on and deliver without interference . they are without interference. they are working flat out to deliver this genuine game changer. the first flight will leave in 10 to 12 weeks. now of course that is later than we wanted, but we have always been clear that processing will take time and if labour peers had not spent weeks holding up the bill in the house

of lords to try to block these flights altogether, we would have begun this process weeks ago and the success of this deterrent doesn't rest on one flight alone. it rests on the relentless , continual process of relentless, continual process of successfully and permanently removing people to rwanda with a regular rhythm of multiple flights every month over the summer and beyond, until the boats are stopped. now, i know there are some who will hear all of this and accuse me of lacking compassion , but the truth is the compassion, but the truth is the opposite . we are in a battle opposite. we are in a battle with callous, sophisticated and global criminal gangs who care nothing for the lives they risk in unseaworthy dinghies. nine people have died already attempting to cross the channel just this year , including a just this year, including a seven year old girl that's why we've secured the largest ever deal with france to strengthen,

intercept lines on the french coastline. and because a third of all arrivals were coming from albania, we struck a deal that reduced illegal albanian migrants by 90. taken together with doubling illegal working rates and returning 150 hotels back to our local communities. we got the number of small boat arrivals last year down by more than a third. the first time they had fallen since this phenomenon began. and at a time when european countries were seeing numbers rise exponentially . but these exponentially. but these sophisticated gangs are changing tactics once again, as well as piling twice as many people into small dinghies and increasing violence against french police, they have shifted their attention towards vulnerable vietnamese migrants. vietnamese arrivals have increased tenfold. an account for almost all the increase in small boat numbers we have seen this year. and just as we succeeded in reducing

albanian arrivals dramatically , albanian arrivals dramatically, so i'm confident we will do the same when it comes to the vietnamese. president macron and ihave vietnamese. president macron and i have agreed to work with european partners on closing loopholes to enter europe. in the first place. the home office have signed a joint statement with the vietnamese government committing to deepen our already very strong migration relationship . and just last relationship. and just last week, officials from the government of vietnam were at western jet foil and manston to observe border force operations on the front line. as they continue to manage small boat arrivals. but we can't keep reacting to the changing tactics of these gangs. reacting to the changing tactics of these gangs . the truth is we of these gangs. the truth is we need innovative solutions to address what is a global migration crisis to disrupt the business model of people smuggling gangs and save lives. and that means a systematic deterrent . the only way to stop deterrent. the only way to stop the boats is to eliminate the incentive to come by making it

clear that if you arrive here illegally, you will not be able to stay. and this policy does exactly that, and be in no doubt about the choice that the country will face later this yeah country will face later this year. the labour party have no plan. they would have no treaty, no bill and no flights to rwanda. they are resigned to the idea that you will never fully solve this problem. there priority is not stopping the boats, but stopping the planes , boats, but stopping the planes, removing people who have no right to be here and that would achieve only one thing. it would send a message to the criminal gangs that they can continue their deplorable illegal trade in people. and my policy is different. i believe it should be this country and your government who decides who comes here? not criminal gangs. and i have a plan to deliver it. so we will start the flights and we will start the flights and we will stop the boats . thank you. will stop the boats. thank you. right. we turn to some questions

from the media. can i start with the eye, please . the eye, please. >> thank you, prime minister. how many people do you expect will be on these flights by, say, the end of the autumn? you say, the end of the autumn? you say there's going to be a regular rhythm of, of flights starting in july? how regular? how many people each month . how many people each month. >> thank you. go now. as i said, i know there'll be lots of interest in the exact operational detail of what we're about to embark on. and i've tried very hard in my statement to give everyone a sense of the preparation work that's gone into this. and as much as i am able to say about the future, and that's for a very good reason, it's clear that there is a loud minority of people who will do absolutely anything and everything to disrupt this policy from succeeding. you only have to look at what's been going on in parliament over the past few weeks and months with the labour party at every turn blocking progress on this bill.

you saw that last week. you will see it again today. you saw that last week. you will see it again today . and that's see it again today. and that's why i'm not going to get into exact detail about what exactly is going to happen, when and where, because that will just give people more opportunities to try and frustrate the process . but what i can tell you is that an enormous amount of prep work has gone on. we've trained 200 of our best caseworkers . 200 of our best caseworkers. we've increased detention capacity to hold people. we've identified specific dozens of court rooms made available. the right judges put an airfield on standby and, crucially, booked planes, commercial charter planes, commercial charter planes for the first flights, trained 500 escorts and made sure that everything on the rwandan end is ready for people to be received . but what i will to be received. but what i will say is this is not just about one flight, right? this is about a regular rhythm. multiple flights a month through the summer and beyond, because that's how you build a sustainable deterrent, right? the first flight in 10 to 12 weeks. and i said later than we

would have liked, but you can see the delays that we've been subject to thanks to the labour party. but it's not just about that one flight. it's about putting a system in place. and that's what we've done. that will ensure the successful delivery of multiple flights a month through the summer and beyond, until the boats have stopped. now that's what we're determined to deliver, and that's what our plans will deliver next. we go to the times , good morning, prime minister. thank you. aubrey allegretti from the times. if you do manage to start the flights to rwanda, does that mean that the uk won't need to leave the echr? >> so i'm confident that we are acting in a way that's completely compliant with all our international obligations, and we work very hard to deliver that. but what i'd say is we are a reasonable okay under rwanda, they won't be kept. >> so that's rishi sunak talking tough. he's talked tough before , tough. he's talked tough before, but there are specifics there which we haven't had before. 500 staff to make it work. he's got an airfield designated. he won't

tell us which one, of course, to the civil service that they must put these these things through. they can. it's auditing counts or something . and if they don't or something. and if they don't do their job, they could be in breach of contract . breach of contract. >> i'm saying that we can ignore injunctions from from strasbourg if about time. yeah, exactly. >> and up next we're going to be speaking to a former labour defence minister about the labour party's own role in this, because, of course, labour has tried to block this bill every single opportunity. you're with britain's newsroom on gb news

. britain's newsroom and gb news and the rwanda bill is back in the commons today. and rishi sunak has said the first flight carrying asylum seekers is given a date now. will leave in 10 to 12 weeks. that's a specific we've never had before. >> but he was very careful not to say he would not be giving details because he knows people. >> he won't say which airfield, which which air carrier he's going to use. >> if he's got a private carrier

, whether it's a i'm sure he has, i'm sure we're going to talk now to a former labour defence minister, ivor caplin, who's a friend of this programme. >> ivor morning. it's your lot isn't it. >> ivor morning. it's your lot isntit.the >> ivor morning. it's your lot isn't it. the labour party, which at every opportunity has tried to block this bill because you don't want to send these illegal migrants back. >> no, andrew, it's the answer to that. >> well, how often have you voted in favour of it? the point of opposition, both in the house of opposition, both in the house of commons and in the house of lords, is to for the opposition to actually oppose. >> and that is what labour has done , and it's a perfectly done, and it's a perfectly legitimate thing to do. i can recall many, many times when, the conservative opposition opposed things that that we were doing during tony blair's time as prime minister. so i don't know why the prime minister keeps doing this. it's not a very house of commons thing to do. and in particular, attacking the labour peers this morning, these peers were really hard in these peers were really hard in the house of lords. it's part of

what we do, as, as a country . what we do, as, as a country. and, and frankly, i think that was really , really unnecessary was really, really unnecessary by the prime minister either people are going to be listening to you and, and, and you know, with shock and incredulity, because four times the lords have knocked this back now and you're talking about labour not knocking about what what plan does labour have to tackle illegal immigration? >> because it's not as far as the rest of us can see. >> well, you can you can ask, yvette or people like that about that, that issue. but let me let me just say this, during my time in the house of commons as a minister, i can recall us getting seven, eight, nine times rejected by the then the house of lords was was very much, conservative, and that, that and the house of commons followed that , there's a difference, that, there's a difference, though, ivor, isn't there? i'm sorry to interrupt you. there's a difference . because since the

a difference. because since the lords started this childish game of ping pong , 8500 migrants of ping pong, 8500 migrants illegally have crossed the channel many of them potentially could have died . could have died. >> but, andrew, that's not actually what what what happens here? that's not how the house operates. i'm really sorry to say this to you. it's a fact. >> i've just i've just described what's happened. >> nine have died this year so far. >> yes, yes, i know, i know that figure, carol. i mean, it's not it's not. we're not trying to argue against what you're saying. i'm just saying there are ways that the house both houses operate. and i don't think the prime minister should be attacking people. just for doing the job that they are meant to do in both the house of lords and the house of commons. and i don't is it not immoral to block a law that will prevent this trade in human trafficking? >> because that's what labour are doing in their opposition? it seems like they're terrified it's going to work.

>> i'm really sorry. it's not about that. it's not what you're it looks like it. no, this this is this is normal process of a bill. i heard you just say. i think andrew just said something about the bill. you know , going about the bill. you know, going back and forward, it happens all the time. it happens all the time. yeah, but this is. >> but but but but that does . >> but but but but that does. but but but either it's different here. >> it's different . >> it's different. >> it's different. >> this is different because people's lives are at risk. these are illegal migrants who are being enabled to cross the channel because labour are playing ping pong in the lords with the bill that they know is ultimately going to have to go through. >> sorry, andrew, i can't agree with you on that. i you know, i agree that there are issues relating to immigration. i know that very, very clearly. but what i'm saying is that the processes that go on in the house of commons and the house of lords have been done properly , vie by by those in those two

chambers. >> but this has been this, this bill has been passed in the commons chamber, the elected chamber majority, 48 majority has been passed, and the lords keep on pinging it back. the lords are supposed to be a revising chamber. it's looking at the moment like it's wrecking. it's passing wrecking amendments. that's that's a problem for the british people who want illegal immigration stopped. >> i'm really sorry this has been going on for years. you're saying that? >> but people, we haven't had this problem. >> it's true. i'm saying it because it's true. this. >> we haven't had a problem where people's lives are being put in danger daily. >> this goes on all the time for bills , irrespective of the type bills, irrespective of the type of the bill. you still have to go through all the processes, which is you start in the house of commons, you go to the house of commons, you go to the house of lords, it comes back, etc. etc. that's how it works. this is how it has been working for years. >> 10s ivor, do you hope the rwanda bill never works ?10s do rwanda bill never works? 10s do you hope the planes never go to rwanda ? well 10s i don't think

rwanda? well 10s i don't think they will go, but what's your view? you don't want them to, do you? >>i you? >> i don't think they will go, andrew. >> all right. you didn't answer the question. but anyway, always good to talk to you. that's the former labour defence minister, ivor caplan. you're talking. this is andrew pierce and carol maloney. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office a bit of a cloudier start for many of us this morning, particularly compared to over the weekend with outbreaks of rain that will continue to push their way southwards as we head through the rest of this morning. but rain not turning particularly heavy, but a much cloudier and damp day than we saw over the weekend . southern and eastern weekend. southern and eastern parts of england holding on to a bit of sunshine through the morning, although turning hazier through the afternoon. but it's northern parts of scotland that will definitely see the best of the sunshine this afternoon and feeling quite warm here too. we

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gb news. >> morning. 11 am. on monday, the 22nd of april. this is britain's news on gb news with me, andrew pierce. carol maloney. >> hello. and we'll. rwanda finally passes. the bill returns to the commons. rishi sunak says flights will take off in the next ten weeks, and a surprise press conference. but with the endless deadlock, just how likely is that ? likely is that? >> and the police are still under fire after one officer threatened to arrest a man he referred to as openly jewish, rishi sunak has significantly failed to back the metropolitan police chief. so should sir mark rowley go now? >> de—banking complaints that have surged by 44% since nigel farage had his bank account closed for xenophobia. he joins us later in the show . us later in the show. >> and what are they thinking of? an ex—student threatened with expulsion because he had

the temerity to cause controversy by saying the privacy of his own room. veganism is stupid. do you think the near—tum is stupid? >> oh well , i wouldn't call it stupid. >> i just wouldn't do it. >> i just wouldn't do it. >> well, no one cares what you think we like. you would like to hear what you think. send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, here's the news with madison . madison. >> back again. good morning. 11:01. our top stories this houn 11:01. our top stories this hour. the prime minister says the first flight to rwanda will leave in 10 to 12 weeks. speaking at a press conference within the last half an hour, rishi sunak slammed labour peers for trying to stop the controversial legislation . mr controversial legislation. mr sunak said an airfield is on standby and 150 judges are ready

to deal with any legal cases quickly. his comments come ahead of a crunch vote tonight on the government's safety of rwanda bill. >> for almost two years, our opponents have used every trick in the book to block flights and keep the boats coming. but enoughis keep the boats coming. but enough is enough . no more enough is enough. no more prevarication, no more delay. parliament will sit there tonight and vote, no matter how late it goes. no ifs, no buts. these flights are going to rwanda. we are going to deliver this indispensable deterrent so that we finally break the business model of the criminal gangs and save lives. >> well, another crunch meeting the met police commissioner will meet the mayor of london today amid calls for him to resign over his force's handling of protests. it's after an anti—semitism campaigner was threatened with arrest at a pro—palestine demonstration. officers had described him as openly jewish and said his presence was antagonising demonstrators. sir mark rowley

will meet members of london's jewish community, including the board of deputies of british jews, the london jewish forum and the community safety trust. andrew mitchell is deputy foreign secretary. he told us the met's made a big mistake. >> well, it was an appalling error by the metropolitan police. and while while i don't think you should necessarily criticise the bobby who was actually dealing with it, there are strategic issues for the metropolitan police about how they ensure that people of any faith and no faith can go freely around our capital city. so i have no doubt at all that the home secretary with whom this really rests will be holding. holding, sir mark, to account for what happened, and making sure that nothing like this happens again. it was a terrible error of judgement by the police i >> thames water is warning that bills could skyrocket by more than 40% as it puts forward an investment plan amid a funding crisis. the troubled water

company has proposed an increase in spending worth £1.9 billion. that's on top of its existing five year business plan. it would see extra money spent on environmental projects in an effort to treat sewage spills and chronic leaks. communities secretary michael gove has previously said that customers must not be forced to cover the costs of the company's mismanagement . thames water is mismanagement. thames water is struggling to prevent a total collapse of its business amid £15 billion of debt. the foreign secretary is visiting central asia to boost british ties with the region . lord cameron is the region. lord cameron is currently in tajikistan, but will travel to five countries, including kazakhstan and uzbekistan, during his five day trip. it comes amid concerns that trade sanctions on russia are not being enforced , are not being enforced, including the sale of vehicles manufactured here in the uk, the sale of wet wipes containing plastic is expected to be banned in an attempt to reduce marine litter. wet wipes eventually break down into microplastics

and contribute to water pollution . today, environment pollution. today, environment secretary steve barclay will announce plans to introduce legislation before the summer recess, with the rest of the uk to follow by the autumn. however labouris to follow by the autumn. however labour is saying that the government is not going far enough and an outright ban on their manufacturer manufacture is needed and the first statue of queen elizabeth ii to be created since her death, has been unveiled . based in oakham been unveiled. based in oakham in rutland, the seven foot bronze statue is england's first permanent memorial to her late majesty, created by sculptor hywel prattley, it shows the late queen alongside her beloved corgis. it marks what would have been her 98th birthday. well, for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gbnews.com slash alerts. now it's back to andrew and . carol.

andrew and. carol. >> us fryston series eamonn gb news andrew pierce and carole malone. >> it's 1105 and malone. >> it's1105 and rishi sunak has told a surprise press conference. this is the first flight carrying asylum seekers would leave for rwanda in 10 to 12 weeks. despite the problems he's faced passing it into law . he's faced passing it into law. >> our political correspondent olivia utley was at the conference. olivia fighting talk from the prime minister. but have we heard it all before, or was this a bit more specific? oh if we go to gb news olivia utley gb news. >> this was supposed to be emergency legislation , but it's emergency legislation, but it's been five months and it's still not over. the line is the house of lords fit for purpose ? of lords fit for purpose? >> you know, you talk about emergency legislation. we have worked at pace to deliver because i know and i believe that this is an incredibly important issue for the country. all right. people's patience has has run out as is mine. right.

they're fed up with the endless whether it's legal merry go rounds, legislative merry go rounds, legislative merry go rounds . i'm rounds, legislative merry go rounds. i'm tired of this. people trying to block this policy . and that's why when we policy. and that's why when we got the judgement last year and i think i stood here and spoke to you all when we had the judgement last year , i said, judgement last year, i said, look, we disagree with it, but we respected it and we worked rapidly to rectify it. within a matter of weeks , james and the matter of weeks, james and the team we had negotiated a new treaty with rwanda to address all the concerns, and we brought forward new legislation. right. so that's how we responded . i so that's how we responded. i said in a matter of weeks, we had all the mitigations ready to implement this policy. but here, look, i'm talking to you now and it's april. why? because labour peers in the house of lords have repeatedly voted against and blocked this bill. that happened just last week. again, it will happen again today. just last week. again, it will happen again today . today. and happen again today. today. and i think it's crystal clear that the country believes this is a priority. i've been clear from the first day that i got this job that it's a priority for me to stop the boats, and that's

why i'm talking to you today about all the prep work that has gonein about all the prep work that has gone in behind the scenes , and gone in behind the scenes, and why i'm confident about our delivery going forward . and i delivery going forward. and i think, you know, all the team are here, and we chaired the first meeting this morning, of the illegal migration operations committee. home secretary stood up a goal command operation at the home office to deliver this. you know, this is an incredibly complex operation. and i want people to be reassured that whilst the lords have been taking their time to continually block this policy , we have been block this policy, we have been getting on working hard to prepare to implement it. and that's what we discussed this morning as i gave a hint of earlier in answer to a previous question. it is a complex process , but we have been doing process, but we have been doing everything you would expect us to do to be ready for this moment. training case workers, building detention capacity, getting the judiciary and the courtrooms ready , training courtrooms ready, training escorts getting charter planes booked, getting an airfield ready, getting the guidance

change and working with the rwandans as a deputy foreign secretary has done brilliantly to make sure they are ready with their people all trained at their people all trained at their end. accommodation ready, asylum system ready. over there . asylum system ready. over there. you know, this is an enormously complex operation. we've been working very hard to deliver it. but as i said, people's patience has run thin, my patience has run thin. we want to get this done and we want to get these planes off, next sky news. >> okay. nigel farage joins us now in the studio. welcome now, you've heard he was talking tough there, wasn't he? yeah just as david cameron talked tough. if you come here illegally, you won't be allowed to stay. theresa may. if you come here illegally, you won't be allowed to stay. boris johnson, if you come here illegally, you won't be allowed to stay. and just over two years ago, of course, we had the speech at lydd airport down in kent, telling us about the rwanda plan . we're two years on, rwanda plan. we're two years on, we've spent at least £160 million so far. not sent a single human being. and what happens is, every time rishi sunak speaks on this subject, he raises the rhetoric , he raises

raises the rhetoric, he raises the rhetoric, and he does so, of course, because public anger is so great, the sense of injustice and unfairness. do i believe that in 10 to 12 weeks time, there'll be planes taking off with significant numbers of migrants on board? no, i don't, and i tell you why he gave specifics there, nigel, didn't he? >> he said there's an airfield at the ready. he said they've got trained people to stop air crews stopping people. >> we've done our prep, is what he said. i mean, how boring i couldn't get. we're working hard. i should jolly well hope they're working hard there. the government, i mean, all of that all. nobody gives a damn about any of that. what people care aboutis any of that. what people care about is , are the numbers about is, are the numbers crossing the channel going to stop? he made no acknowledgement in his speech of the fact that numbers are up 25% so far this yeah numbers are up 25% so far this year. well, he said they'd cut them. he said we'll defy the european court of human rights. well, i very much doubt that he will. but even if he did, there's something missing here. it's called the human rights act 1998. that was the legislation that took the echr and put it

into british law. and all the while it's there. there will be legal cases taken and british judges will find in favour of the legislation. i promise you not a single person is going to rwanda. this is a complete charade. and the tafari talks and the more he raises the rhetoric, the more public is he lying to the british people. he's lying to himself. >> okay, well, there's elections coming up. >> he's lying to himself, you know, and he's talking tough. look, i'll tell you a funny thing. whether it's the sick note culture, whether it's the number of people claiming they've got depression and not even having to look for work and getting an extra £400 a month, it's all well and good, but i genuinely believe the public now don't believe any of this true . don't believe any of this true. we've heard this again and again and again. no one's listening. >> tell us before we talk to you about de—banking, which is a very important story today. succinctly, nigel, what you would do to turn these boats around all the while you have a european court of human rights and its code taken into british

law through the human rights act. >> you will never, ever , ever >> you will never, ever, ever deal with this problem. all right, so you have to repeal you have to repeal the human rights act. and you probably have to say to yourself, do you know what we don't need european style human rights. we've been since magna carta the freest, the freest country in the world. and we should be rather proud of the fact that we as a country , the fact that we as a country, have always given the individual much greater protection against an overbearing state. so until you deal with that, you'll never solve this. once you've dealt with that, it starts to become quite easy. you do what tony abbott did in australia, you say, right, nobody but comes via this route will ever be granted refugee status. good start. and then you literally start sending people back. and of course, brussels will scream at the united nations will scream. and you know what? within a fortnight, no one will come. >> wow. brilliant. now let's talk to you about de—banking. you were nigel. you took on and you saw off the chief executive of both coop. >> we're calling it the farage

effect . effect. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> yeah, but we see today figures which are pretty alarming. you were not alone in being debunked . being debunked. >> do you know the funny thing? when i was given notice that my bank accounts were going to close because you're xenophobic and, well , close because you're xenophobic and, well, and in fact, funded by the kremlin, i mean a very long list. yeah, yeah, very long list of my sins. so much so that employees of the company would like said they wanted to push me out of a moving car. oh, yeah. lovely people, what was interesting about it was , i interesting about it was, i thought for a few weeks, do i say in public what's happened to me, or do i just quietly try and find some resolution, find a resolution was difficult because i was refused by ten other high street banks , which just shows street banks, which just shows you how deep this corporate woke culture has gone . but in the culture has gone. but in the end, i went public and the reason i went public was i began to realise it wasn't just me. this had been bubbling away for a long, long time. but no one likes to admit they've been debunked . if you're a company to debunked. if you're a company to admit you've been debunked means it could affect your credit

rating, could affect you know, how potential customers see you on an individual level. you know it's a humiliating thing to do. so i sort of came out as being de—banking because i knew that others would start to speak, and indeed they did. so what you've seen with these figures is a 44% increase in the number of people going in the last year to the financial ombudsman saying my account is being closed and this is wrong, but is there any corporate sell? >> aren't companies or individuals? >> this is only companies. yeah. the figures that we've got are only for companies. what we don't know are the number of individuals who have gone to either to the ombudsman or have put in subject access requests to their bank demanding more information . what is certain is information. what is certain is that i've helped to lift the lid on something that is nothing less than a scandal. you think about this 140,000 businesses were closed down last year by british banks. now, even if a couple of thousand of them were

crooks or money launderers, the vast majority wouldn't have been. and i generally i mean, i generally believe in the free market. i don't want government to interfere. i don't need regulation. but in the modern digitised age , having access to digitised age, having access to a bank account is just the same. it's a human, an electricity coming into your human rights. >> on what basis of a closing companies down? on what basis ? companies down? on what basis? >> most of it is to do with money laundering regulations . so money laundering regulations. so we have a whole series of brussels directives that were transposed into british law. and it means banks and others are terrified. so let's say, for example, you're running a business. i don't know, that business. i don't know, that business turns over £89,000 a month. if suddenly you get a gigantic order and £20,000 comes into that bank account . into that bank account. >> so you've done well. >> so you've done well. >> maybe an alarm bell goes in the bank, an alarm bell goes. you're then asked a series of questions as the costs of compliance are huge and the same for personal accounts. so you've got an old harley davidson

sitting in the garage, and you sell it for 4 or 5 grand, and that money goes into your bank account again, alarm bells start to ring. you know , are you a to ring. you know, are you a front for a colombian drug ring or whatever it may be? and the problem is this the legislation is so onerous that the compliance costs of the bank, in checking all this out are massive. it's estimated by forbes that for every £1 of laundered money recovered in the uk banking system, the compliance cost is £100. so it's easier for the to bank say, do you know what? we haven't got the man out. we're shutting you down. close the accounts. >> and basically they're shutting businesses down because at the root of this, the root of this are a series of european union money laundering directives, well intended . directives, well intended. >> but of course, in this country carried out literally to the letter of the law. and what we need to do is to simplify that regulation. >> didn't you tell us with brexit, nigel, that all this, these eu directives were going to vanish, i disappear and to be scrapped? >> no, that was boris johnson and people like that . what

and people like that. what i told people in the referendum was that with brexit we would have the opportunity to do these things if we had the will and the wit to do so. and sadly, we haven't . haven't. >> and i talked as yet, i, i remember the last time i spoke to kemi badenoch, who is what was she? business secretary. she said, we have got rid of hundreds and hundreds of regulations, said not enough. >> no. and because there were so many thousands of them. yeah, and we can see the city of london, the stock exchange in quite serious decline , yet we quite serious decline, yet we still charge stamp duty on share transactions. we see in many, many ways our biggest industry, financial services, is not flourishing in the way that it could be and should be. brexit was a big opportunity. and yet another one, i'm sorry to say that a conservative government that a conservative government that said it believed in it got an 80 seat majority, but saying they believed in it just haven't. you know what, i'm not sure they ever did. >> and the irony is, a poll last week, lord ashcroft poll showed that labour are more trusted to deliver brexit then the tories .

deliver brexit then the tories. and yet labour is led by keir starmer, who led the campaign for a second referendum. >> i know, i know and look, i think, you know , i mean, i'm think, you know, i mean, i'm absolutely certain that when it comes to financial market regulations, labour will be the same, if not slightly worse , same, if not slightly worse, when it comes to the tax burden, they'll be the same, if not slightly worse , and i get all slightly worse, and i get all those arguments, if i had john redwood on the show a few months ago, i said, john, why should we vote conservative? because labour will be worse. sorry boring. just not enough. it's not enough just to be. oh vote for us. look at the. you think we're bad? have a look at the other lot. i mean, this is not very inspiring. >> it's not a great narrative, is it? >> and we could be. i have a hunch at the minute with the way things are going, that the turnout at this general election will be way back to what it was back in 2005, when it barely touched 60. i just sense a bigger level of absolute disenchantment with politics. i also think the sort of man in the pub conversation is, what's the pub conversation is, what's the real difference ? the real difference? >> but also, i think the people

who are tories don't want to vote labour, so they just won't come at all. >> i think there'll be a lot of abstentionism. yeah. and, and you know, some of that 2019 vote has gone back to a labour party and, and these were people who'd been voting labour, their families and labour since 1918. yeah, so, you know, an equal chunk of it's been going to reform under richard tice. you know, there's a lot, a lot of movable parts here, but, you know, when john curtis, the sort of doyen of political commentators, when he says it's a 99% certainty keir starmer is going to be the next prime minister, he's probably right. >> he probably is. thank you very much. >> are you with us tonight? >> are you with us tonight? >> i certainly am 7:00. i'll be there and watching this parliamentary ping pong. yeah. >> of rwanda, i mean, pitiful and pathetic . and pathetic. >> it's utterly futile, isn't it? >> but it's they know it's going to happen . to happen. >> like many things in circus, it doesn't stand for a lot, but it's quite amusing. okay. >> always entertaining. >> always entertaining. >> still to come, people will be able to sign themselves off for work. was it for minor illnesses using an nhs algorithm under plans to free up time for

doctors? you won't be able to do that. we'll be discussing that and more

next. >> 1122 with britain's newsroom on gb news. with andrew pierce and karen maloney. >> hello. i'm just reading all the views here. we've got we've got coming in. we've got lots of this. paul says these pro—palestinian marches cannot be policed safely to large crowds. they should be restricted to less people and with less frequency. gemma says it would have been much better to have said all night was it in, in, what's that say in identifiably jewish? >> can you read english? >> can you read english? >> it's still. no. it's clearly not. it still would have been a problem, but it would have been better. i don't understand that one, gemma. anyway, dave says the police don't have an anti—semitic problem. it's clearly a problem being police and enforcing the law. >> the panel is back emma woolf and former labour adviser matthew laza. what are you going to talk about? what is this sick

note culture? >> yes. yeah, this this is emma. emma. >> well, this is rishi sunak. i thought he was going to crack down on benefit people on benefit people living on universal credit. all that last week. he's now they're now announcing that patients are going to be going to be able to sign themselves off. basically you log on to an nhs algorithm and you know that nhs has a great record on electronic records and data and all of that, and now you're going to be able to sign yourself off for short tum illnesses via an algorithm online. and they think thatis algorithm online. and they think that is going to cut the amount of people. now we don't call them sick notes. we call them fit notes. oh really? we now have around 11 million issued every year. this is double the number in 2015. so we have a major problem with people signing up gp. and then last week they announced gps wouldn't be signing off of their own patients. it become conflict of interest. they can't be objective . objective. >> how could you ever get to see a gp anyway? >> you can't. exactly. this is a loony. they're all over the shop. >> this is the loony policy because people , more people than because people, more people than even because people, more people than ever, it will make it very easy. >> easy . >> easy. >> easy. >> sign yourself.

>> sign yourself. >> so the algorithm will ask you about your symptoms. i you know, call me cynical, but i think if you are wanting your fit note to be signed off as a sick note, don't we? you know to what say. >> there'll be youtube instructional videos on how to get one before we for five minutes, 7 million to 50 million, i think. i mean, just just to free up doctor's time. yeah.i just to free up doctor's time. yeah. i don't like to defend the government, but i think the idea is, emma says, is it's to free up doctors time because this isn't for long. term sick notes. these are for the ones for a week. so you know when some employers if you if you've got flu or whatever and you're for off more than a day, then then you have to get a piece of paper from the gp, the idea is that the algorithm will give it to you. >> why can't you keep using the algorithm week in, week out, because i think i think i don't know, i think it doesn't i won't feed into the benefit system. and anyway, it's going to be taken away from gps. although as we know there aren't they haven't got anybody to actually do these non gp assessments, which is a big which is a big issue for gp. >> you know they they want to work 9 to 5. they don't, they don't want to see people only on zoom. but their job don't want to see people only on zoom. but theirjob is don't want to see people only on zoom. but their job is to assess zoom. but theirjob is to assess people . people. >> the whole point. this is all wrong headed. why are they

devising systems to make it easier for people to sign up? we want to get people back to work. that's what they should be. >> so you would think nurses need to go towards helping people and saying, okay, what do you need? okay, so you've got a bad shoulder , which you can't be bad shoulder, which you can't be operated on because as a 60 million, you need to get on a waiting list. now, is there something else you could do as a job? there is a way of supporting people back into work. this is a mish mash of, you know, cracking down on people on benefits. long terms , people on benefits. long terms, sick, not supporting them with their mental health, but also it sends the wrong message, doesn't it? >> because i don't think you can use them again and again to get long terms sick benefits. but if you're in work, what you can do is use it again and again. you know, one week you go back in for a few days and then go off again. so presumably that's how it would work. >> but giving people a tool to sign themselves off sick and in the next breath saying, but if you're off sick for x amount of time, all your benefits are going to be stopped. yeah, it doesn't make any. >> the mixed messaging is crazy and it just shows. it just shows the government is running out of steam, doesn't it? we've run out of steam when it's saying one thing on a friday and another thing on a friday and another thing on a monday, and the primary care system is utterly broken. >> i mean, as you say, no one

>> 1 mean, as you say, 110 one can >> i mean, as you say, no one can get an appointment with their gp. people are going to a&e, they're attending a&e, which should be for emergencies. it should be for accidents, not for minor ailments because they can't be seen by their gp. i mean really it needs a root and branch reform . the whole the branch reform. the whole the whole entire system, the whole nhs. >> i'm very fed up about it. we've got to cheer ourselves up, will ourselves up or not? >> majesty the queen, who? yes, i adored . i adored. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> yeah, we all did. yeah but to mark her 98th birthday, as it would have been, the good people of rutland, england's smallest county, clubbed together. very pretty county. love rutland clubbed together , to unveil the clubbed together, to unveil the first statue since her death . first statue since her death. well, let's have a look at it. >> listen on the radio. >> listen on the radio. >> here's the unveiling unveiled by the lord lieutenant of the county. there it is. she's in sort of state regalia, which is not how we know . and there's not how we know. and there's some nice little corgi dogs. and if we can get a little closer to her, it looks to me like she looks nothing like this. does not look like the queen, i'm afraid. sorry to, rain on the parade. >> yeah, i think, i mean, i think you said earlier, carol, that it looks like queen

victoria. and it does. it does. it looks like a young victoria. yeah, and actually looks like some of the statues that we have in towns and cities of a young victoria. so it seems to have lost a trick, really, for capturing that kind of sort of joy capturing that kind of sort of joy that she had and that kind of slightly sort of, sort of twinkle in her eye as a tourist and came in and saw that i would not know, apparently, i have no idea. >> apparently the raison d'etre for doing her so young, she was at the peak of her powers because she was head of what was still a bit of an empire, although disintegrated. i would argue she was far more popular, more powerful, much later in her reign, because she'd become everybody loved the queen. she was the nation's mother, the most photographed woman on the planet. yeah. i would have wanted to see know in one of those lovely outfits which were always bright with the hat, with the hat and the handbag and the unglamorous handbag hat and the handbag, which he called shoes. >> yeah, i agree, we all remember her from sort of the age of 60 onwards. i suppose that's what we're saying. but i quite like this statue. unlike you guys, i like it until i looked at the face, which to me, not only it's sort of a younger bodyin not only it's sort of a younger body in this state regalia, and then the face just doesn't to me look like the queen. and it's an older face. yeah the sort of

middle aged face, a mismatch. there's a little bit of a mis, a mish mash actually, of earl of rutland. >> i have that . >> i have that. >> i have that. >> and of course these, these things, it's like it's like people don't want to be rude, they want to be polite. but actually you should say it as you see it, the sculptor that did not. >> it's interesting, there's her face. >> does that look like queen elizabeth ii? elizabeth 11? >> no. richmond. they recently unveiled. well, we i helped them unveiled. well, we i helped them unveil a statue of my great aunt virginia woolf. yeah, and i felt the same. they'd raised so much money for the statue appeal. and it's virginia woolf on a bench permanently in richmond. i'm sure lots of you have seen it . sure lots of you have seen it. doesn't quite look like her. it doesn't capture the way i think of her, the family look, all of that. but but it is lovely to have these memorials. and in rutland, which, as you say, is a beautiful tiny county, i think it's lovely that they raised that money and that they have the their memorial to the queen there and the corgi dogs. >> is that a nice touch? >> is that a nice touch? >> is that a nice touch? >> i like the corgi dogs. i actually think they're the nicest thing. so. so the statue, the plinth has, 2 or 3 corgi dogs around. i think that they add a bit of fun to it. i've

actually never been to rutland. it's the only english county i've never been to, so i must go. >> really nice. are you going to go and see that? >> well, i will certainly go and have a look at when i'm there. yes, i wouldn't go, especially for it. >> autograph by it. >> autograph by it. >> if i do, i will bring it on to the show. >> yeah, yeah, we've got time for one more. >> carolyn, have we? okay. >> carolyn, have we? okay. >> so this this is. no, we don't. we just don't we don't we don't. >> we've been. >> we've been. >> i wonder what people think about that statue. if you're watching and listening, do you think it is a fair reflection of her majesty i just saw i just don't think they got it right. >> no. also, it's still to come. you think veganism is stupid or wrong? that's what. >> no it's not. >> no it's not. >> yeah, that's what a student was told at exeter university. >> this is britain. >> this is britain. >> hello. it's 1130. >> this is britain. >> hello. it's1130. i'm radisson in the gb newsroom. our top stories. the prime minister says the first flight to rwanda will leave in 10 to 12 weeks. speaking at a press conference within the last half an hour, rishi sunak slammed labour peers for trying to stop the controversial legislation . mr

controversial legislation. mr sunak said an airfield is on standby and 150 judges are ready to deal with any legal cases quickly. his comments come ahead of a crunch vote tonight on the government's safety of rwanda bill. >> for almost two years, our opponents have used every trick in the book to block flights and keep the boats coming. but enoughis keep the boats coming. but enough is enough. no more prevarication, no more delay . prevarication, no more delay. parliament will sit there tonight and vote. no matter how late it goes. no ifs, no buts . late it goes. no ifs, no buts. these flights are going to rwanda. we are going to deliver this indispensable deterrent so that we finally break the business model of the criminal gangs and save lives. >> well, rishi sunak says met police chief sir mark rowley has his confidence, but that he needs to rebuild trust with the jewish community. the met police commissioner is meeting the mayor of london today amid calls for him to resign over his force's handling of protests . force's handling of protests. that's after an anti—semitism

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financial report . financial report. >> okay, let's take a look at the markets today. the pound will buy you $1.2339 and ,1.1586. price of gold, £1,912.94 per ounce. and the ftse 100 is at 8009 points. >> cheers ! britannia wine club >> cheers! britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news financial report up at noon. >> good afternoon britain with tom and emily. so guys, what's going on? what did by the way, do we think of rishi? >> i have to say it's not emily today, it's emma. >> of course emma and you know her so well. and we, we used to joust so regularly on britain's newsroom. and then you've got a pair , then you've got pinched pair, then you've got pinched too. >> it's very confusing for everyone because emily and emma are very similar. >> i know, i know what a splendid replacement we have to stop making excuses for him. they're not. we all look the same. we all look the same. carol. >> that's what. that's what he's saying, isn't it ? but >> that's what. that's what he's saying, isn't it? but emily is, of course, still on holiday. she's sunning herself, and i'm

very, very jealous. but she will be back on wednesday and thankfully , her flight wasn't thankfully, her flight wasn't interrupted by russian hackers as so many brits seem to be facing at the moment . as so many brits seem to be facing at the moment. but as so many brits seem to be facing at the moment . but we've facing at the moment. but we've got some big news happening in our airtime. of course, the run up to the ultimate showdown on rwanda still rumbles on, but also donald trump. the first day of his hearing, we'll be hearing that live in the program. what on earth is he going to say? and does he have a chance there of really convincing that now selected jury that he's not felon? >> we're also going to be speaking to gideon falter , who's speaking to gideon falter, who's the head of antisemitism. well done. he's meeting with the police officer today who described him as being openly jewish and threatened to arrest him if he wasn't willing to move on. so we'll be speaking to him. and this also comes just after suella braverman has asked for the met commissioner, mark rowley, to resign, as well as this, coming at the same time as some research, a survey has found that 1 in 5 londoners, has

or has been threatened or experienced violence over the last five years. >> but can you imagine getting involved , you know, was told involved, you know, was told that he was looking injuries and that he was looking injuries and that were referring to his car. can you imagine if they if the cops asked a muslim woman or a muslim guy to take off the hijab at the thought, can you imagine or move away to avoid avoid this area because you look too muslim. >> you just can't imagine that phrase leaving the metropolitan mission would have resigned already. well, we're going to be talking to gideon at the time of this meeting. what is he going to say in this meeting? and what will be the result of that meeting? these are all questions we're going to ask him. and it's going to be a really, really fascinating. >> the metropolitan police commissioner be talking directly to him. >> you'd think i think rather than pushing it further down the food chain. of course, the metropolitan police commissioner is talking to sadiq khan this week. he's also talking to the home secretary this week. going to be, going to be busy, but i suppose we'll have to ask gideon as well if he wants that meeting with sir mark himself. not just that we're also going to be debating is the england flag racist? we can't forget saint george's day tomorrow. >> most people do, but i'll be marking it. i'll be having a

little red rose or white rose. >> so all that at midday. for now, though, you're with g. britain's

gb news. >> it's 1138 with britain's newsroom on gb news and andrew pierce and carole malone. lots of people getting in touch, think. >> yeah, yeah, i've got. yeah. this is on the on the nhs sick note story. it's mike says signing yourself off for legitimate sickness could work as long as their employers monitor excess historical sickness. any syria led swingers could be wheedled out and fired with no benefits payable. mike, that's never going to happen. you know that. >> anyway, what we've got and what do they think about rwanda? >> are they rwanda? ian says all ihave >> are they rwanda? ian says all i have to say is the lawyers and the barristers are rubbing their hands. my simple question is how much is this going to cost? the british taxpayers? sue says if we came out of the echr, our human rights would not stop. we're a civilised country, so our courts would be there to represent anyone who feels their rights are being violated. exactly what nigel farage. >> yeah, as i said, we've had

pretty good human rights since magna carta. we've got a judiciary that is the envy of the world completely . we do not the world completely. we do not need a meddling, interfering european court of human rights, which is not the body that it was when it was set up after the war to keep the threat of nazism at bay. >> we don't need judges. there are some of them, you know, their their kind of duty judges. and they're woken up at midnight and they're given a paper, but we don't even know. >> we don't even know the identity or nationality of the one who stopped the rwanda flight. and here's the thing. >> he was woken up at midnight in a piece of paper. >> and the judgement, the judgement of the echr a couple of weeks ago in switzerland, when it compelled the swiss government to deliver various net zero policies, even after the swiss people voted against that policy in a referendum. so referendum are not important to these unelected judges. and my argument with rishi would be this you can't get out of the echr any time soon, so you have to legislate the commons. let's go to the lords. the lords? no, but what you do is you just say thanks very much for your ruling . we're sending the plane. .we're sending the plane. >> what are you going to do about it exactly? >> well, that's. but we know that's rishi sunak we're talking

about. if it was nigel farage, it would be a different story anyway. you know, we've been talking about this blood scandal in the 1770s and 80s. you know, three people were given its infected blood, and it was a policy that there wasn't enough fresh blood. so they started to make plasma . and blood had been make plasma. and blood had been given by people with aids , given by people with aids, prisons in america, terrible diseases. yeah, yeah. sex workers were giving blood, all sorts of people. and this blood was brought over to this country and children's 350 children were infected with this blood . infected with this blood. there's terrible stories of how little, little babies seven years old were were infected with aids. one one little boy, he he he died at the age of seven, weighing, what, a four month old baby would weigh. that's how ravaged his little body was. you know, there are parents all over. all over the country who are furious. and yet this this government, it's not this this government, it's not this government's fault, as you said before, because it wasn't them in power. >> it started in the 70s. >> it started in the 70s. >> this government and subsequent governments have

failed to not only to apologise for what's happened to these these poor families, but they fail to pay them compensation. and even now , in december, it and even now, in december, it was voted that they would get compensation and the government has rowed back. now. the commons voted through legislation in september and december, but the government tabled an amendment to delay paying them compo. how much longer do they have. >> because what they're doing, they're setting up yet another body to look at it. but what they're trying to do the government to pass it to the labour government of labour, get it because the compensation bill is going to be billions and billions, probably one of the biggest ever compensation bills ever paid out by the british taxpayer. >> this was the deadliest man made disaster in british history. and it's shameful and it's shameful. and the fact that every government has scuttled away from trying to put their headsin away from trying to put their heads in the sand over it is shocking. >> and also it goes to the heart of government , because if you of government, because if you can't trust the nhs giving you your blood. yes. and then you've got this great scandal that's carried out in the post office. it shakes people's faith in our institutions. >> no, it's true, that's the trouble. and the people kind of

affected by this were mostly haemophiliacs who were sick anyway. so all this did was make them sicker and it killed many of them. >> still to come, we are going to be talking to robert evenson , to be talking to robert evenson, who was pulled in front of a disciplinary committee. you won't believe this for saying in the privacy of his own room at university, the veganism is stupid. >> he said it was stupid. >> he said it was stupid. >> yeah, i know, yeah, i meant world gone completely mad, but we think it has. >> you're with britain's newsroom on gb news. time

and this is a story you and i have been. can't quite believe it's true. >> yeah i know, yeah. >> yeah i know, yeah. >> students, i mean, aren't universities meant to be places where you have debates and freedom of speech you're supposed to be, but apparently you can't sit in your own bedroom now and be on the phone to your mate and say what you think about something without getting reported to what our next guest called the stasi. >> this is this is matthew, this robert evenson, who was a

student at exeter university, and he was having a conversation. oh, hi. >> hello . welcome. >> hello. welcome. >> hello. welcome. >> how are you? it's good i recognise you. now, listen, you've had a terrible time. this is outrageous. we can't get over it. tell us what happened. >> yeah, well, i checked with my flatmates here, and they're all right with me having this, do you have to check that to have conversation? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so they're all right here? well, i was in my first year at university, and, my aunt had just died. she was, my last living relative on my dad's side, over here. and my friend called me up from australia to sort of offer me his condolences. and then we just sort of after that, we sort of segwayed into our usual conversation about , you know, conversation about, you know, current events, things that are going on in the world. and, i expressed some opinions that that i think are pretty normal, to be honest . but the girl next to be honest. but the girl next doon to be honest. but the girl next door, didn't like it, and, then what did you what did you say?

>> what did you say in this conversation? >> i said a number of things, i said the thing that led off was veganism is stupid . veganism is stupid. >> and tell me why you said that. well because i think it is stupid. that's enough. yeah yeah, so , and, and i, i said, i yeah, so, and, and i, i said, i said that i, you know, i said also that i thought gender fluidity was stupid. now, i of course , i wouldn't say these course, i wouldn't say these things in that way in the public square, but joking around with friends on the phone, i put it in jokier terms than i than i might have otherwise. but but, yeah, and i, i, i also know, i complained about the state of england , i, you know, i'm england, i, you know, i'm english. i was born here. i have an american accent, but my dad made sure i knew that i was english, and i spent some time in australia, and i was trying to explain to him, you know, things are not as good here as

they are in australia, and it doesn't mean england is . i love doesn't mean england is. i love england any less. it's this country has been mismanaged. it has. anyway, i was expressing what happened because you said that after you'd had this conversation , there was a conversation, there was a hammering at the door of your room. >> and what happened ? >> and what happened? >> and what happened? >> yeah. so? so i opened up the door and it was, the. >> oh, we lost him. oh. >> oh, we lost him. oh. >> i'm gonna we're getting back. we're getting back because this is the key. so this is the key. >> the privacy of your university room. yeah. he's banging on the door because somebody's nearby or walking past us and snitched on him. yeah, but. but snitched on what? >> yeah, but a snitch tells you. >> yeah, but a snitch tells you. >> tell tells you someone's done something wrong . saying veganism something wrong. saying veganism is stupid isn't wrong. >> and of course, his opinion, he's now being accused of being a transphobe as well because he because he genderfluidity is stupid. >> because he doesn't understand it. well, no. >> well, it's because he doesn't understand, you know, people are entitled people. okay, robert, you're back with us. yeah, yeah . okay. >> you're about to spain. so, robert, somebody is banging on the door. >> who's there? >> who's there? >> so it was, campus, night patrol , and they, they

>> so it was, campus, night patrol, and they, they opened. i opened my door and they said, oh, you've been saying some very offensive things in here. and they stuck their boot in the doon they stuck their boot in the door. i'll never forget that. but their boot was actually, wedged into the door and, so i couldn't close it on them , and couldn't close it on them, and l, couldn't close it on them, and i, i said, you know, i'm sorry that i was making noise, but, i'm not sorry for the things that i was saying, i can say what i want in the privacy of my own room. >> so you were hauled before a disciplinary panel, weren't you? >> yeah, yeah. and it was. it was, it was quite jarring , the was, it was quite jarring, the woman was very, very nice to me all the way up until she got me into the room and sat me down and then flipped entirely, and she then just started reading off these accusations to me. i had no idea what i was liable for until i went into the meeting. they wouldn't tell me. they said, you'll be told at the meeting and as they read these things off to me, i couldn't

process some of them. some of them were just weird things, sentences that i don't say i wouldn't, i wouldn't say things like that. and i said, can i read? can i read these accusations? and they said , no. accusations? and they said, no. >> the people who them who are the people who are on the panel, who are they? >> university two. yeah, these were two university employees as, from , i believe, the as, from, i believe, the residents, side of the university, but i, i'm not entirely sure who they were. now, in retrospect . so probably not. >> not lecturers, not anything people. oh, no. no no no administrative. so these are in the scheme of things . these are the scheme of things. these are people who shouldn't have any say on what you say and do . say on what you say and do. >> no, no, no, these people have no academic function. >> and what you'll find is that the university now, every every year that goes by, there's more and more of these people and, and more of these people and, and they don't make the academic side of life easier for the academics either. it's just busy

work. >> so what was the sanction they proposed? you were threatened with expulsion. did you have to fall on your knee and apologise and wear sackcloth and ashes, i was so i didn't apologise, but i was so i didn't apologise, but i was put on sudden death , saying was put on sudden death, saying that if i did any minor infringement that normally wouldn't justify being kicked out, they could kick me out if they wanted to. so i rageous you say veganism is stupid and you challenge gender fluidity, why aren't you allowed to challenge that? >> the whole point about university, surely, robert, is you're allowed in in an open forum, never mind in the previous of your own room, in a forum you're allowed to disagree with ideologies with with the way people live. >> you're allowed to say that. >> you're allowed to say that. >> yeah. look, i, i, i, i like people with big ideas that are passionate about those ideas. >> i like talking to them. it's not about left or right, i like talking to anybody. what? i don't like is the discourse

getting shut down and people not being able to exchange views on these things that are very important that are part of this ongoing sort of societal dialogue that we have about who we are and where we're going to go. and i and i think that that this time is that we're in right now is very significant because we're trying to figure out who we're trying to figure out who we want to be for the next generation and what i'm trying to take part in that discourse. >> can we give you some advice? stick to your guns, mate, and don't don't let them. don't let the whatsits grind you down. that's what i was doing. who's had a quite a spirited battle at exeter university. now we did ask the university for a comment about this, but so far we haven't received a response on that. but we have had a couple of things on the queen. jane says, i like the statue of the queen. it might not be the spitting image facially, but there's no mistaking what it's meant to be. and it's only right she should be in full regalia, showing her importance in the world, and especially this country, that mary's cross was

both of us, she says. >> stop criticising. criticising the queen's statue . okay, so you the queen's statue. okay, so you don't like it, go make a better one. always negative. at least they've raised the money and had a statue to our late queen. made so we got shut up here. >> beauty is in the eye of the beholder that does not look like her. >> but this is about free speech. this is what we've just been talking about. we can say we don't like it. exactly. >> i'm sorry. i don't like the statue at all. and. but there'll be many more, i'm sure. but well donein be many more, i'm sure. but well done in rutland. they've got the first one. >> yes, they have got the first. >> yes, they have got the first. >> and the corgis are very sweet and we love the queen. >> we do, we do. that's it from britain's newsroom. up next. of course. it's good afternoon, britain with tom and emily. we'll see you tomorrow. see you tomorrow. >> the airport has been put on standby. the planes have been chartered and over 500 individuals are now prepared to make rwanda work. could today be the day it finally passes parliament? >> and we're going to be speaking to gideon falter , who's speaking to gideon falter, who's having a meeting today with the police officer who threatened to arrest him, calling him openly jewish. should mark rowley , the

jewish. should mark rowley, the police commissioner, resign? >> also in our airtime , the >> also in our airtime, the beginning of the trump trial, could the former us president be be convicted as a felon ? all be convicted as a felon? all that to come and more stay with us. >> us. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. a bit of a cloudier start for many of us this morning, particularly compared to over the weekend with outbreaks of rain that will continue to push their way southwards as we head through the rest of this morning. but rain not turning particularly heavy , but a much cloudier and heavy, but a much cloudier and damp day than we saw over the weekend. southern and eastern parts of england holding on to a bit of sunshine through the morning. although turning hazier through the afternoon. but it's northern parts of scotland that will definitely see the best of the sunshine this afternoon and feeling quite warm here too. we could see highs across scotland of 14, 15, maybe 16 degrees, but definitely not quite as warm for

much of england and wales, with highs of only 12 or 13 degrees through the rest of monday. that rain continues to push its way southwards quite slowly, overnight and into the early hours of tuesday morning, but definitely turning drier across much of scotland into northern england, with plenty of clear skies around, and that could lead to quite a chilly night again. generally not quite as cold though, under all of that cloud and rain. temperatures in the mid to high single figures. but perhaps some frost across scotland, northern ireland and into northern parts of england to start on tuesday. for the northern half of the uk, though , northern half of the uk, though, it is a brighter start to the day on tuesday. plenty of sunshine through as we head through the morning, but that rain continues to slowly push its way towards the southeast, so quite a cloudy and grey start to the day here. still remaining quite cloudy through the afternoon in the very far south—east of england, but elsewhere there will be some sunshine, although some scattered showers along some nonh scattered showers along some north sea coastal regions. temperatures a little below average but still reaching around 13 or 14 degrees. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news as

i >> -- >> well . >> well. >> well. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 12:00 on monday, the 22nd of april. >> the prime minister's tough talk on rwanda. rishi sunak says airfields are on standby and flights will take off in 10 to 12 weeks. it comes on d—day for his deportation bill as mps prepare to vote through the night on sending asylum seekers to the african nation . to the african nation. >> and we'll be speaking to the man at the heart of the anti—semitism row with the met police, gideon falter was told to back away from a palestine march as he looked openly jewish with growing calls for the met police chief to resign. we'll get the inside track and a historic moment as the first statue of the late queen is unveiled on what would have been her 98th birthday. >> we'll be in oakham , rutland, >> we'll be in oakham, rutland, the town that has laid claim to

the town that has laid claim to the this historic