girl party mep and birthday girl annunciato rees—mogg , and the annunciato rees—mogg, and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. as always , i want nicole turner. as always, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me at gb news. com but now it's your favourite time of the day. the news from polly middlehurst. >> jacob thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight. the deputy prime minister today in the commons accused china of being responsible for two malicious cyber campaigns targeting the electoral commission databases containing the names and addresses of 40 million registered voters were visible to chinese hackers in 2021 and 2022, but the government says it didn't affect the outcome of local elections. at the time, oliver dowden said that national cyber security support will help political parties make sure they're protected from foreign influence in the run up to the

general election. >> we want now to be as open as possible with the house and with the british public because part of our defence is calling out this behaviour. this is the latest in a clear pattern of hostile activity originating in china, including the targeting of democratic institutions and parliamentary ones in the united kingdom and beyond . kingdom and beyond. >> oliver dowden, now the conservative party, is facing another by—election in a red wall seat after scott benton resigned, the blackpool south mp was already facing a recall petition. mr benton, who's now running as an independent, was found to have broken commons rules when he was caught out in a sting by the times newspaper offering to act on behalf of gambling investors. shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth says his resignation has come too late . has come too late. >> they should have done it much

soonen >> they should have done it much sooner, frankly, in the tory party should have made him resign much sooner. i mean, it's absolutely chaos, isn't it.7 in the tory party today, a divided party from divided from top to bottom and weak leadership under rishi sunak. we need this by—election now as soon as possible. the tories should move the writ and let's get on and let's elect a labour mp who can represent the people of blackpool here in the house of commons. >> jonathan ashworth now protest groups save british farming and fairness for farmers of kent , fairness for farmers of kent, have driven their tractors into central london tonight to protest about substandard imports and the dishonest labelling of food. they're also protesting against low cost agricultural imports, saying it all amounts to a threat to food security and it comes after europe's farmers ramped up their demonstrations across the continent, protesting against eu and national measures. sarah, duchess of york , says she's full

duchess of york, says she's full of admiration for the princess of admiration for the princess of wales after her cancer announcement. posting on social media the duchess said she hopes kate will now be given the time and space and privacy to heal. the duchess added i know she'll be surrounded by the love of her family and everyone is praying for the best outcome . that's the for the best outcome. that's the news for the latest stories. do sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts . to gb news. common alerts. >> the government's independent review of social cohesion has been released. it's written by dame saira khan, who had a piece in today's telegraph which opened as follows with other rose tinted spectacle view of our history, britain's strength lies in its richly diverse and cohesive democracy , built on cohesive democracy, built on centuries hard won rights. our commitment to individual liberty , equality and democratic freedoms form the bedrock of our nafion freedoms form the bedrock of our nation . unfortunately, this is

nation. unfortunately, this is fatuous nonsense. until recently, our democracy was not diverse and it's never been cohesive . democracy requires cohesive. democracy requires a variety of strongly held views, and our constitution has been vigorously challenged. the strength of our constitution lies in its adaptability , and it lies in its adaptability, and it survived serious challenges over centuries. just going back to the 17th century and not earlier. there was a civil war, a restoration and a glorious revolution. in 1642, 1660 and 1689, respectively . in the 1689, respectively. in the relatively peaceful 18th century, there were rebellions in 1715, 1745 and the french revolution in 1789 was thought likely to topple the whole british system, and some traitors like charles james fox were in favour of doing so. in the apparently calm 19th century, there was the cato street conspiracy to murder the whole of the cabinet in 1820, while there were eight assassination attempts on queen victoria, this was in a peaceful time. there was the chartist march in 1848, when a petition was signed by 2 million people

demanding a complete change in our constitution . 80,000 special our constitution. 80,000 special constables were put on the streets. the queen was removed to the isle of wight and it all passed off peacefully. 1926 there general strike there was a general strike that looked the government , looked to topple the government, and arthur scargill, in 1984 five a miners strike trying five led a miners strike trying to do same. and this is to do the same. and this is without mentioning the so without mentioning the ira. so this idea that we've been cohesive charming all the cohesive and charming all the way is the view way through is the milksop view of the constitution. and this report also produces some spotty statistics are meant to statistics that are meant to worry us into abandoning some of our freedoms. it proposes that 13% of a subgroup polled had to move house because of freedom restricting harassment, which may sound wonderfully technical. this means 2.25 million people have moved house because they're frightened of their own opinions . as if this were true, it would represent about a quarter of all annual house moves in the uk, which seems self—evidently which just seems self—evidently improbable. what is closer to the truth is that there are some cases when freedom of speech borders on intimidation , and borders on intimidation, and this should not be, and indeed

is not, lawful. and the police should protect people, the opinions they wish to express . opinions they wish to express. it should not be used as a major clampdown on freedom of speech and protests near and stopping protests near schools. seen what schools. we have seen what happens when people try to stop peaceful prayer outside abortion clinics . it peaceful prayer outside abortion clinics. it leads to an extraordinary overreaction by the police and invents thought crimes. the other recommendation to reinforce the equality act's pubuc to reinforce the equality act's public sector equality duty , to, public sector equality duty, to, quote, foster good relations between persons who share a relevant protected characteristic and persons who do not share it, moves in precisely the wrong direction. the equality act is a menace that seeks to segregate communities and divide them away from each other. it would be better to repeal it altogether. it also suggests establishing a fund for the impartial office for social cohesion and democratic resilience . and we do democratic resilience. and we do not need another quango or another fund , particularly not another fund, particularly not another fund, particularly not an orwellian fund of this kind. these recommendations miss the point. britain does have a

serious social cohesion problem, specifically with respect to the threat of islamism and its desire to turn britain into theocratic state. but the way to combat the threat is not to abandon our democratic traditions of free and vigorous expression with our every move governed by more meddling quangocrats, we resist tyranny by holding true to our values , by holding true to our values, demonstrating to our enemies that their attempts at intimidation will not succeed, and understanding our history rather than making it up in this vacuous way as ever. let me know your thoughts. mailmogg@gbnews.com and i'm very pleased to be joined by be joined now by neema parvini, academic and author of the populist delusion. well, neema, thank you so much for joining me. tell me, what is the populist delusion .7 populist delusion? >> well, thanks for having me, jacob, the populist delusion is a book, by basically that, somewhat challenges the outline of history that, you've just

given, namely that, processes are bottom up and democratic in the way that you outline it takes a more , realist view of takes a more, realist view of politics and power, which is something that i think that the current moment is actually teaching us in real time , and, teaching us in real time, and, in fact , if i give my response in fact, if i give my response to the khan review , it may to the khan review, it may outline where some of these disagreements about democratic freedoms may, lie between us. okay >> and what i would argue about our constitution is that almost all our constitution and developments come about by accident or through conflict. and if you go right the way back to 1265, simon de montfort is rowing with the king, and therefore the burgesses are called to parliament. it isn't some carefully thought through democratic principle. likewise, magna carta is a row between the

king and the barons, and that we have developed in this way, but not because anyone sat down and thought it through. >> no, no, i mean it. essentially my view is that the, the history of any country is a history of its elites and history of its elites and history of its elites and history of essentially, rival elite factions. the issue that i have really with i mean, your history lesson was very interesting, jacob and i listened intently, but the idea that the nation is built on democratic freedom , i think is democratic freedom, i think is a little far fetched . as far as i little far fetched. as far as i can see, there has never been any time in history when the ideal of free speech has been achieved , even if one abolishes achieved, even if one abolishes religion, one can never abolish political theology , which has a political theology, which has a tendency towards absolutism , tendency towards absolutism, free speech tends to be reserved

for the friends of those in power and restricted for the enemies of those in power, you mentioned the french revolution. i mean, you can look at what happened there , edmund burke happened there, edmund burke famously tried to ban thomas paine's rights of man, our minds instinctively turned to the mass book burnings in mid—century germany. but it's often forgotten that the allies, also had thousands of german books pulped, and they even had the typeset of the printing presses melted down during the cold war. you could not be an open solvi sympathiser, which is one reason why the left, during that time advocated for free speech. people forget that once upon a time, the left were all for free speech, now, of course, the left is in power everywhere, even as the tories nominally hold government. and so, of course, conservative opinions are banned . and, if i may be frank, jacob, one of the issues is that nominally conservative

institutions such as the tory party refused to play friend enemy. they routinely throw people who should be their friends under the bus and end up bowing to the enemy, there's one tory mp. i'm not going to name her, but let's just say it's a rising cameron star. she spent her entire career advocating for gender equality, trans rights , gender equality, trans rights, every social justice issue under the sun , i'm sure the audience the sun, i'm sure the audience of this show understands economics . as far as i can see, economics. as far as i can see, this person, this mp i'm talking aboutis this person, this mp i'm talking about is simply responding to incentives, reward and punishment mechanisms. and many people feel that it's the failure of the conservative party to wield power for friends and against enemies while in office, which is why a lot of people are saying they deserve zero seats in the upcoming election, because we. >> look, i think you make a very interesting point about how people always want free speech for their side of the argument

and try and shut it up for the other side of the argument. i happen to think it's a pity that russia today got shut down because i think you want to listen to people like that, that lord haw—haw broadcasting in the second war made nazi second world war made nazi germany look ridiculous. and if you hear from your opponent, you can often lampoon them and you can often lampoon them and you can caricature for them very effectively. so i'm very sympathetic to that point . but sympathetic to that point. but what do you think about this report, the khan report? do you think it's a helpful contribution to the debate, well, mean, one of the issues well, i mean, one of the issues and i hate to say this again, jacob, is that the, government over the past two decades and certainly in the past 14 years, has empowered left wing activists to behave in the way that the khan review outlined and with no consequences. i mean, there are certain activist groups, again, i'm sure you know the ones i'm talking about who can essentially smear people like me and you. you know, cost

free. and there is no legal recourse to come back on these people because, frankly , who's people because, frankly, who's going to, you know, who's going to see where my fight and it's been made clear that these things are connected because we can read the intelligence reports. so i do on a regular basis, you know, when, when george orwell, who you mentioned, wrote 1984, a lot of people thought he was talking about stalin's russia, the soviet union. he was actually talking about his own experiences in the british information research department. and he was saying back then that britain in 1948 was at risk of becoming totalitarian like russia. >> and i'm afraid he called it 1984 because his publisher thought 1948 would be too frightening. on that happy note, thank you very much, nima. well, with me now is my panel, former brexit party mep and joana jaflue brexit party mep and joana jarjue rees—mogg, and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. amy, let me come to you first. you this report first. do you think this report is valuable contribution to is a valuable contribution to

the and that do need the debate and that we do need more protections for people who feel intimidated freedom of feel intimidated by freedom of speech , can i just pick up on speech, can i just pick up on a bit of nonsense? he just said that he said the left are the ones are trying to clamp ones that are trying to clamp down free speech. you could. down on free speech. you could. >> but why not answer the question? >> on from. >> let's move on from. >> i'm just i just thought i was baffled usually baffled by it usually is. >> are you are >> but let's let. are you are you favour of this report. am you in favour of this report. am i in favour of this report? well, i think this is well, i think this report is unfortunately going be used unfortunately going to be used as bit of a dog whistle as a little bit of a dog whistle against multiculturalism when i think need to remember that, think we need to remember that, social cohesion very much social cohesion is very much a two street, and social two way street, and social cohesion is about co—existing, i said to you in the room, and i think of it like a salad. we're all different, but we all coexist and we work coexist and we all work together, you know, weird salads. together. ham salads. they work together. ham and would have and pineapple. who would have thought you thought? disgust works. you know, way street. so know, it's a two way street. so it's about supporting, to cultures be able to integrate cultures to be able to integrate with things like language translations with people , translations with people, meeting people, something you missed in your history lesson

was empire okay? absolute key to multiculturalism was cohesion . multiculturalism was cohesion. >> that in a salad you have a dressing, something that brings everything together, that can be government and which has a common cause. the common cause in our country should be our nation's set of beliefs and principles upon which we all behave, and what we have accidentally done. and i do believe it's accidental , is to believe it's accidental, is to create totally separate communities who do not integrate, who do not interact . integrate, who do not interact. >> so you're very sympathetic. >> so you're very sympathetic. >> this is causing the big problem. my big issue with the report, broadly sympathetic to the report, is that the answer to is not prohibition. to that is not prohibition. >> so you think it sets out the problem. then comes the wrong answer. it doesn't provide the salad dressing. >> yeah, i'd be put off this horrible dressing you hate i hate salad. >> i'm not having any to do with salad. >> the government's response has a responsibility, particularly when people when they're inviting people

from other cultures and other countries and live and countries to come and live and work here to provide help and assistance social cohesion , assistance with social cohesion, which over last 14 years which over the last 14 years just hasn't been there. which over the last 14 years justl�*nasn't been there. which over the last 14 years justi go n't been there. which over the last 14 years justi go back en there. which over the last 14 years justi go back to there. which over the last 14 years justi go back to trevor phillips. >> i go back to trevor phillips. what was it in the 90s, early thousands identifying that the problem with multiculturalism was that it didn't actually mean integrating. it meant keeping people segregated and that that fundamentally will never work. and what we do need to do is to, as the british always have, welcome people into our society and for them to adapt to our set of ways of life. >> but what are they? and that is where the problem is that we have people who've been here 40 years who can't speak any english. >> now . >> now. >> now. >> yeah, but that was true of the norman conquerors they stuck into norman. they made a long time. >> they made a speak french, surely. >> well, we adapted french. >> well, we adapted french. >> will always maintain that. we have a lot more in common than we differences. and that's we have differences. and that's a we need take a point that we need to take forward constantly forward rather than constantly perpetuating of the

perpetuating this fear of the other, us nowhere. perpetuating this fear of the oth all us nowhere. perpetuating this fear of the oth all right, us nowhere. perpetuating this fear of the oth all right, well,is nowhere. perpetuating this fear of the oth all right, well, on owhere. perpetuating this fear of the oth all right, well, on thatere. >> all right, well, on that happy note coming up, as the chinese communist cyber attack marks the latest chapter of cold war surely it's time to war two, surely it's time to review relationship with the review our relationship with the eastern superpower. >> the princess of >> plus, as the princess of wales leaves the conspiracy theorists speechless, i'll be giving insider view on giving you my insider view on the feasibility of government conspiracy theories everything from fake moon landings to vaccine microchips

well, the mail mugs have been steaming in as we were discussing social cohesion and free speech. peter says integration has failed because we have faith schools. did we not learn anything from the troubles in northern ireland? we will gradually get integration. if all schools become secular. no, peter, i don't agree with that, i think that church schools enormously schools are enormously helpful and are in fact and recognise we are in fact still christian country. still a christian country. anthony your brilliant as

anthony jacob, your brilliant as always. thank you. but charles james fox was not the rebel you suggest. he was the son of lord holland who paid off his debts. indeed on racking up indeed he kept on racking up debts, in 1782 became debts, and in 1782 became england's first foreign secretary in the marquess of rockingham's ministry. secretary in the marquess of rociingham's ministry. secretary in the marquess of rociin 1782.'s ministry. secretary in the marquess of rociin 1782. my ministry. secretary in the marquess of rociin 1782. my wife's�*ninistry. secretary in the marquess of rociin 1782. my wife's directly my. in 1782. my wife's directly is collateral descendant of is a collateral descendant of rockingham . he didn't any rockingham. he didn't have any children, but 1782 is before 1789. after 1789, he is, to my mind, just like oswald mosley. he's basically a traitor and unforgivable for the view he took of the french revolution and his desire to overthrow the british government and our system and his opposition to pitt. but there we go. we will devote a program to that at some point. if i get it past the censors, last year, it was revealed the electoral commission was hacked in 2021 with as many as 40 million people's personal details being accessed . it has also been accessed. it has also been revealed by the us department of justice that 43 parliamentary emails were targeted in the attack , but today's news has attack, but today's news has revealed that the perpetrators are the chinese communists of

peking, with deputy prime minister oliver dowden addressing parliament on the matter earlier. the prime minister has said china represents an epoch defining challenge , particularly with challenge, particularly with respect to national security. surely it's time to reassess our relationship with this superpower and the rather wet response from this government simply doesn't meet the seriousness of the threat. while my panel is still with me, annunziata rees—mogg and amy nicole turner , nancy carter, nicole turner, nancy carter, you're wearing communist red, but i hope that doesn't show any sympathies. >> and somewhere or other i have a copy of the red book bought in china, but that doesn't mean i follow their beliefs. and i think this is genuinely worrying. and we have been heanng worrying. and we have been hearing stories recently, not only about hacking into these particular email contacts. the electoral lists, but electric cars that can be switched off from beijing that we had dominic raab resign ultimately over the

problems with mobile phone masts and 5g technology that i think this is a real concern, but we've got to be a mature democracy as we are and realise that they are an immense trading partner and work out how to handle it diplomatically without doubt. >> i've never known nancy so firmly on the fence. it's very unlikely that amy. come on, you never sit on the fence. >> i have to say that i completely agree with those two points that you made, but i think as we are in an election yean think as we are in an election year, we shouldn't underestimate the interference effects the interference and the effects that have. because that it could have. because i was today at the scale was looking today at the scale and the resources of the interference so far, and this is a real threat to our whole democracy, the, the interference in universities, some of the technology that they're buying up places in cambridge, pretty much giving them millions of pounds to say nice things about china, samples of this soft

power that china uses, but then we've got ourselves into a situation where we're economically dependent in many ways on our relationship with china . china. >> but then we've got to make ourselves economically independent, haven't we? and we've got to be tough. we cannot just allow china once again to win. what have we done today? we've sanctioned two and we've sanctioned two people and one when they've hacked one business when they've hacked 40 million people plus 43 parliamentary why aren't parliamentary emails. why aren't we chucking out people from the embassy who are involved in this spying? what we did to spying? that's what we did to russia over novichok russia over the novichok attempts . attempts. >> want to try for >> we surely want to try for diplomacy over aggression failed the security threat because i think when there's been examples of other nations with this report, i think the government said we've known about this quite a while, but we've got to a point where we have got to make it public because it is such a severe threat. >> but then they haven't taken the action to back that up. and i diploma see is a mixture of

talking and taking action and it's the taking action we have not done. >> we are currently taking is performing the kowtow to the emperor with our nose touching the ground. they have completely failed to deliver on the joint declaration with hong kong. they hold jimmy lai, a british citizen, in prison because he's spoken out as he was allowed to do they spy on british members of parliament and we sit idly by and i just think this is good. >> instead of sitting idly by, we say, we'll give a few visas to the good people of hong kong to the good people of hong kong to whom we should have given citizenship in the first place. >> should have done indeed. >> should have done indeed. >> and that was a complete moral aberration on our behalf, that i should never have happened in 1997. we should have stuck by the people of hong kong. we should stick by the good people, within china , now that there are within china, now that there are a number. but they are being

quashed by the communist party and we can't accept talking to tyrants unless they'll actually come to an agreement. and i think you do have to for financial reasons, have those lines of communication open that they are now a huge economy, but we need to be making ourselves independent of china as far as we can, that if they want to sell us cheap goods, that's fine , but we really don't want them manufacturing all our cars that they can. >> apparently switch off. >> then apparently switch off. >> then apparently switch off. >> it just feels too far gone. so we should now, doesn't it? but then again, we're the stepping stone the us, stepping stone to the us, perhaps. the us is perhaps. and the us is a stepping stone to us in many ways, and that the us have said more strongly that china is a threat. i that their threat. and i think that their government considering government is considering legislation in this area. >> far, far us is getting tougher. >> so, yeah, so and as i say, when us we catch when the us sneezes we catch a cold whatever. so i feel we cold or whatever. so i feel we will follow suit in that respect. >> absolutely. and for all sorts of reasons. we need to build up our own economy. we our own economy. and we need

growth economy we growth in the uk economy and we need our need to increase our sustainability in terms of security, food and manufacturing . but we're never going to get there 100. and we do need to buy goods from abroad. and there's got a line under which you got to be a line under which you cannot fall. well, i think that china's hitting theatres right. >> and we've gone too far . china's hitting theatres right. >> and we've gone too far. but thank you to my panel coming up, do you wonder why every film, play do you wonder why every film, play and museum exhibition comes laden with left wing britain hating lectures these days? stay with you'll find out with me and you'll find out exactly how money taken exactly how your money taken from threat of from you under threat of imprisonment being used to imprisonment is being used to fund a socialist of the fund a socialist takeover of the arts.

well, once again, you've been firing in the mail. mugs and david says, why start harping on a pointless story about a three year old alleged cyber attack? what was affected? and ursula. no. china must realise it relies

on the west for its trade and behave itself or lose the trade. we need to hold them to account and a special message has come in that says happy birthday mum . in that says happy birthday mum. ihope in that says happy birthday mum. i hope jacob is keeping you entertained with his jokes, which has more legs, a horse or no horse with love from dora, molly and wolf. and if you want the answer to that joke, it's in a very good 18th century joke book recently published by my standards, and i might give it to you later on in the programme, i remember. today, programme, if i remember. today, farmers westminster farmers protested in westminster , they , rallying against what they have be declining have claimed to be declining food from foreign food food standards from foreign food imports, to imports, which pose a threat to their business. however, the real threat to farmers and what they ought be protesting they ought to be protesting about are the environmental regulations that could be pushing the of pushing britain to the brink of food shortages a classic food shortages and a classic case out greening the green case of out greening the green fanatics of brussels in post fanatics of brussels in the post brexit we are wasting our brexit era. we are wasting our opportunities to unleash britain's agricultural, competitive ness. regrettably, we have implemented a sustainable farming incentive, which sounds delightful, but what means is twisting

what it really means is twisting farmers arms to take agricultural fields out of food production and into wildlife schemes. if british farmers want to remain competitive in a global market, they need to produce food at competitive prices. and that's not going to happenif prices. and that's not going to happen if we're incentivising them to turn wheat fields into bogs and marshes . so we're bogs and marshes. so we're joined now by neil parish . neil, joined now by neil parish. neil, are you are you there? excellent. you weren't on the protest. you didn't drive your tractor up from somerset? >> no, my tractor probably is older and i wouldn't like it to be investigated too much by the metropolitan police . i suspect, metropolitan police. i suspect, in the centre of london. it may not be a terribly good idea. >> right. you might have had to pay >> right. you might have had to pay the dreaded ulez, i mean, i'm, i, i think british farmers could be globally competitive if they weren't so heavily regulated. and if they didn't have environmental regulations trying to put them out of

business. but i don't think there's ever a route to success via protectionism. >> yeah, i think trouble is, jacob, that we have, sort of trying to get farmers to do too many things at once, let's make them all green and take land out of production. that's fine until you have one of the wettest winters on record , the crops are winters on record, the crops are poor this year. you can't get your spring crops in, you know, the, east of taunton, curry moor is still under water. i went to oxford today because i'm doing a podcast on trying to keep the world farming and the country farming, and, you know, lots of very, very wet fields . so, yes, very, very wet fields. so, yes, we should we, you know, we talk about food security, but of course, everything that the government's come up with so far has reduced production. and when i parliament, i always i was in parliament, i always warned that. i warned george eustice, the then secretary of state, that if everything you do, if you actually incentivise farmers not to grow food, especially in a difficult time when costs are high, cost of

production is high, then farmers are going to take the environmental route, which is not all wrong, but we don't want as much land , put into these as much land, put into these schemes. we're also taking out good land and planting trees where we actually should not be doing it. and of course, we land up importing food , probably from up importing food, probably from brazil, which they probably burnt down the rainforest in order to produce. so, for heaven's sake, you know, we need to have some common sense here, and that's why i'm very keen that, yes, we can do both, but we need to have food as the as the driving force and then the environment, as you know, a part of that. but let's be sure that food security is what we need. bread, you know, bread making wheat all of these things. oilseed rape, for instance, you know, the, the ukraine, you see, grows 40% of the sunflower oil in the world. and so we substitute that with rapeseed oil in this country. and of course, there'll be a lot less

rapeseed grown. and so all of these things means that we are, you know, importing more food. and as you quite rightly say , and as you quite rightly say, competitiveness. you see, i mean, we as, you know, as mean, we as, as, you know, as a conservative government, we seem to lost all the competitive to have lost all the competitive edge, don't we? that's the problem. >> absolutely right. and volume, increase in supply produces more income for farmers if they , if income for farmers if they, if they sell more. and there also seems to me to be a naivety in the environmentalist argument that seems to think that the countryside was created by nature. it's not. it's created by farmers. our field system may be old, but it's man made . be old, but it's man made. >> yes. and of course, you know, your landscape is very much there, especially where you've got a lot of permanent pasture, which , by the way, holds as much which, by the way, holds as much carbon in the soil as planting trees until they're over 20 years old. so the permanent pasture, especially in a lot of the west country in the west of the west country in the west of the country overall, is very good for the environment . those good for the environment. those sheep and those cattle and those

dairy cattle are there actually not only grazing the grass and producing good milk and meat, they are also keeping that landscape . people like to walk landscape. people like to walk in the countryside. i mean, if you if you're not careful, if you if you're not careful, if you go too far with the rewilding , you will find that rewilding, you will find that you will have, you know, a lot of course, growth. you destroy a lot of the flora that you're trying to save because by grazing and cutting, you have maintained those wild flowers grazing and cutting, you have maintained those wildflowers in yourin maintained those wildflowers in your in your meadows. when you let it go to course, then it's destroyed and all of these things need to be taken into consideration. and i can wax lyrical all night. >> you are waxing lyrical already . already. >> thank you very much, neal. i don't think we'll get too many ramblers going through when ben goldsmith's had his way, and we've got the wolves back . i we've got the wolves back. i think that will keep the ramblers home, but now i have ramblers at home, but now i have a surprise for you, william shakespeare is not, contrary to popular belief, the world's pre—eminent dramatist and the greatest writer in the english

language. he is not the man whose extraordinary talent for the timeless and the human allows alive today allows those alive today to understand lives those understand the lives of those who through ages. so who lived through ages. so different to our own. on the contrary, according to an £800,000 taxpayer project £800,000 taxpayer funded project , his disproportionate representation in the theatre has propagated white, has simply propagated white, able bodied, heterosexual, cisgender male narratives. government funded pinko activism, left wing activism, taking a wrecking ball to british culture appears a persistent problem , does it not? persistent problem, does it not? well with me now to get to the bottom of this is my distinguished panel, former brexit party mep. and on to rees—mogg and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. amy, left . this amy, representing the left. this is most awful guff, isn't it? waste of £800,000 of taxpayers money. >> it's amazing how every time these subjects come up, you you manage to denigrate and dismantle the arts. always. yeah, because that's rubbish. you misunderstand what's going on here. this is the arts and humanities council is their job. >> cut their funding deeply,

understand their funding. >> let's have a tax. >> we've already are the government has already cut the funding over the last 14 years over and over again. this is a this is rubbish. this is a sector that contributes 5% of the economy, makes billions . it the economy, makes billions. it is a sector that is so under—resourced. you know, the arts is important. it's bordering on a fascist argument from you because almost. >> why don't we burn the books? no, it's what i'm saying. >> i'm saying you put on shakespeare commercially and people go and see it. you put on this sort of and you have this sort of junk and you have to have subsidies for it because. >> because one wants to watch >> because no one wants to watch it. got 1400 quangos it. and we've got 1400 quangos in country. the arts takes in this country. the arts takes up a proportion of that. up a large proportion of that. they are not in any way lacking, but the waste of money. >> it's not a lot of money trusting people who are scraping together to get to the end of the month are paying for the privilege of a few middle class people to go and see a play that

no one thinks is very good, because you, just as they are paying, because you, just as they are paying, doesn't make it a waste of to money be put on walls that some people think is beautiful art, but actually the majority really appreciate and really don't appreciate and don't want to be there in the first place. >> but they are being forced to pay >> but they are being forced to pay for it. these are people who are trying to scrape together their lives, pay for themselves and their children's way of life, and they are contributing, being forced to contribute to fancy nonsense that they don't even want to see. how is that justifiable? >> calling it fancy nonsense is just a tiny glimpse into how little you value the arts. >> let me speak. no, that's my point entirely is just that i don't think it's any good if you if it's any good, people will watch it commercially. >> i, i think that what i, what i prepared for was a conversation about the arts and humanities council and the and the projects that they're wasting £800,000. you're doing what you do, where you pick out something and make a sound

absurd. like when you talk about mickey mouse degrees that type of thing. right? that's the line we're going absurd to you, but it is not. >> you're defending criticising shakespeare at shakespeare in this way at £800,000 £1 million of £800,000 or almost £1 million of taxpayers is used taxpayers cash, research is used by academics to further more research years, over , over, research over years, over, over, over decades, to deepen and widen our awareness and appreciation. >> it creates jobs. >> it creates jobs. >> it creates jobs. >> it grows the economy. >> it grows the economy. >> if they spend their own money doing this, if they devote their lives to this sort of stuff, and i can then criticise it or not, what i object to is that my constituents, who may be on the minimum wage, have to pay for this rubbish. minimum wage, have to pay for thislt's)bish. minimum wage, have to pay for thislt's not]. minimum wage, have to pay for thislt's not a waste of money, >> it's not a waste of money, it's an investment into the arts. >> historically, i what's the most beautiful phase of art in history? >> subjective and the renaissance. >> very subjective. >> very subjective. >> okay. >> okay. >> subjective . but i think >> subjective. but i think virtually everyone would agree that it was the most incredible flowering of the arts that has ever been seen. it is called the

rebirth for a good reason. and who was it funded by? patrons, not taxpayers . not taxpayers. >> i think it's a government's responsibility to fund the arts. >> it should. >> it should. >> i'd go broader and i'd say ukri is a terrible waste of money, but, you know, £20 billion, its annual budget , and billion, its annual budget, and it just squanders money on, quangos and pet projects. and this is a big amount of taxpayers money used badly, and no taxpayers money should be spent badly. it is the duty to taxpayers if we're going to talk about government waste. >> this is absolute fiscal peanuts and you know it. >> 20 billion, isn't it? all adds up. anyway, thank you to my panel coming up next, talk of conspiracy has abounded recently on a variety of topics shady deals and agreements behind closed in smoky rooms , closed doors and in smoky rooms, that kind of thing. there's a former member of government i know these smoky rooms very well, least in theory, well, at least in theory, because smoking ban means because the smoking ban means that is no an that description is no longer an apposite one. in just three minutes, i'll reveal exactly what goes on in them .

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i >> -- >> well. welcome back. after months of conspiracy theories and vicious speculation, her royal highness, the princess of wales revealed last week that she had been diagnosed with cancen she had been diagnosed with cancer. milly exposing the unpleasant tendency in many to

spread malignant lies. what i really want to discuss today was the phenomenon of conspiracy theories themselves, the theories themselves, with the hope bringing insight . hope of bringing some insight. as someone who once sat at the cabinet table, has overseen a department and been privy to conversations that determine pubuc conversations that determine public policy , whether it's the public policy, whether it's the fake moon landings george fake moon landings that george bush was behind 9/11, or that mi6 was behind the death of diana, the diana, princess of wales, the verdict governments verdict is this governments are chaotically managed, chronically disorganised and in a constant state attempting to keep state of attempting to keep their heads above water. they're simply not able to execute the sort of grand conspiracies of which they are accused. they're not clever enough. the not clever enough. so in the next round speculation next round of speculation unfolds about whoever the unfortunate individual may be, unfolds about whoever the unf

princess of wales. her statement has shown all that was going on on social media, almost all of it to be vicious lies. does this give you some hope that the people who have come up with all sorts of conspiracies about the vaccine and so on, will finally realise that this is nonsense? >> no , sadly, and i think that >> no, sadly, and i think that conspiracy theories have always been with us. so you mentioned things like the moon landings, princess diana being murdered by a mi6. all these things proceed , a mi6. all these things proceed, added the internet. and what i think happens is that now on social media, you get, conspiracy theories that then get much more repetition than they used to. and of course, no explanation to challenge them. so i think it actually gets worse rather than better. i mean, covid is an absolute is a perfect example that, i reported on covid all the way through the through the pandemic. and there was a very serious question about the vaccines that if those vaccines had not been safe , then

vaccines had not been safe, then we as journalists had a duty to tell the public that on the on the other side , if you just the other side, if you just repeated the scare stories that were going around , that would were going around, that would have discouraged people from taking the vaccine. >> and this is why it seems to me it's very important that governments are rigorously honest. so the who. denied that it could possibly have come from china at the very beginning, which turns out not to be certainly untrue, but at least , to be certainly untrue, but at least, arguably untrue, that the government was very honest about the vaccines and about the results that were available and about its success rate, and that helped build confidence. and it seems to me there's sometimes a tendency in government to give blanket reassurances, which allows the conspiracy theories to flourish. >> yeah. and that's where the media comes in, that our job is to actually scrutinise what the government is putting out. and as we both know, the government doesn't tell you the doesn't always tell you the whole truth things, and whole truth about things, and this was an example. this was a

perfect example of that. so i spent most of covid talking to more scientists than i did politicians. and i talked to them on both sides . what i came them on both sides. what i came down to, i'm not medically qualified, what i came down to was that the scientists who were saying the vaccine was no less safe than any other vaccine made more sense to me than the ones who were saying that it was dangerous. >> and that's very important because you were an independent person analysing the information and a trusted source to pass it on.andi and a trusted source to pass it on. and i find this when constituents write to me that sometimes i get excellent arguments in response from government departments explaining exactly what the real position is, and that's very useful in helping to dampen down conspiracy theories when it's just the broad brush . no, this just the broad brush. no, this isn't right. that's when people carry off and go down the rabbit holes. >> yes, i think that's right that the important thing with conspiracy theories is that, first of all, they often do have

have quite persuasive evidence. but the trouble is they ignore all the other evidence that would knock it down. and that's that's where a conspiracy theory just becomes a complete article of faith, so the people who indulge in covid conspiracies will pluck out of the air any bit of dubious science that backs up their case, completely ignonng backs up their case, completely ignoring the mainstream science that doesn't. >> and they will use one statistic that shows there's something to worry about without contextualising it against the overall balance of statistics. yes, or. >> and also then deny that the official statistics. so for instance, if you take the vaccine what the office of national statistics says is that 51 people, as i think of about this time last year, had died directly from the vaccine. now, 150 million jabs were given out. so that's a pretty good, good rate . it's certainly it's no rate. it's certainly it's no higher than any other vaccine. and that's that was what i was being told by the scientists i

trusted during the covid pandemic. >> and the one reason i've always been very suspicious of conspiracy theories is the number of people you would need to know about them, who have to keep it quiet and have to be competent at implementing it. and my experience of government is that it leaks on anything of any interest almost immediately. well, it makes the life of a journalist easier. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> and therefore you couldn't keep it secret. even if you keep it secret. but even if you kept it secret, you haven't got enough competent people to run a conspiracy theory of this magnitude. no, i think that's right. >> and again, you mentioned the moon landings that talking moon landings that we're talking about ten year period of about over a ten year period of the, apollo project . 400,000 the, apollo project. 400,000 people were involved. if they'd all beavering away at all been beavering away at a movie, i think someone would have come forward , princess have come forward, princess diana's death is another example. i mean , that the what example. i mean, that the what the intelligence services will tell you is that so many people would have had to be involved in an assassination plot. would they really all have kept quiet?

would their conscience not of troubled them? somebody would have come forward. and that kind of to me , that makes sense. of to me, that makes sense. >> well, also ockham's razor, which i thought always has to get on to ockham's razor. >> william of ockham, william of ockham. good, bad. >> absolutely. that broadly, the simplest answer is usually the correct one. and there was correct one. yes. and there was a driver there who a drunk driver there who crashed. yes. >> so was tragic >> so? so it was a tragic accident with diana, if we look, if we now come right back to the present day with with kate, now that we know her diagnosis of cancen that we know her diagnosis of cancer, everything else falls into place. so we know now why william suddenly left a memorial service for their quotes, personal reasons. that was the day of the diagnosis. everything that's happened now does make sense . the important thing is sense. the important thing is the conspiracy theorists understand it. >> well, thank you very much , >> well, thank you very much, nigel. god bless the princess of wales. nigel. and i will be getting back out of our lizard suits at midnight, but until then, get nigel back. and

then, we'll get nigel back. and don't to him at gb don't forget to visit him at gb news. com. that's all for me. up next, it's patrick christys. patrick, you getting out of patrick, are you getting out of your suit into your your lizard suit or into your lizard suit this evening? >> will not be. i will just be >> i will not be. i will just be doing but doing my show, jacob. but i assume your lizard who is double breasted look, got breasted. but. look, i've got a gb exclusive for you on the gb news exclusive for you on the way, which is a new way that asylum lawyers are going to take the taxpayer to the cleaners. is it okay to torture terror suspects russians? suspects like the russians? and should their should parents be sending their kids school wearing nappies? kids to school wearing nappies? >> should not. what a >> no, they should not. what a ridiculous they might ridiculous idea. they might expect to change expect the fathers to change them. that's all coming up after them. that's all coming up after the weather. back the weather. i'll be back tomorrow i'm jacob tomorrow at 8:00. i'm jacob rees—mogg. has been state rees—mogg. this has been state of nation , and the weather of the nation, and the weather in somerset increasingly in somerset is increasingly clement. to tell clement. and i'm glad to tell you central heating was you that my central heating was repaired not be repaired today, which may not be necessary in the glorious sunshine about have. sunshine we're about to have. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> this is your latest weather

update from the. it was. good evening to you. the rest of this week we'll be prepared for further heavy downpours and temperatures. staying around about or a little bit below average. low pressure is well and truly in control of our weather and will be for the rest of this week. these weather fronts have been making for a pretty soggy day for much of the uk. rain across scotland uk. the rain across scotland falling as snow over the hills that continues in the east through the night. elsewhere, it does turn little bit drier, does turn a little bit drier, staying fairly cloudy and some staying fairly cloudy and some staying fairly cloudy and some staying fairly chilly. temperatures down into single figures, not far a freezing in northern scotland and small wintry showers coming into the northern the western isles northern and the western isles as we go tuesday. still as we go into tuesday. still a bit more snow over the grampians, although that should ease to ease further showers, though to come coast of come on the east coast of scotland. central and southern scotland. central and southern scotland bit scotland looking a little bit dner scotland looking a little bit drier compared today. it'll drier compared to today. it'll be a wetter day though for the southeast as rain moves in southeast as that rain moves in through and that spreads southeast as that rain moves in thr0|the and that spreads southeast as that rain moves in thr0|the midlands nd that spreads southeast as that rain moves in thr0|the midlands and hat spreads southeast as that rain moves in thr0|the midlands and rain;preads southeast as that rain moves in thr0|the midlands and rain again; into the midlands and rain again for northern ireland. but something bit brighter in something a bit brighter in the southwest and wales, and southwest and south wales, and for england too. some

for eastern england too. some glimmers , but it is glimmers of sunshine, but it is going to feel pretty chilly, particularly across scotland, where and hill snow where the rain and hill snow continues wednesday and continues into wednesday and then elsewhere. it's bands of showers moving in. be prepared for some heavy downpours on wednesday. there will be some brighter spells between the heavy showers, a bit of sunshine . we'll see temperatures up to double digits but generally feeling in the breeze and feeling cooler in the breeze and plenty more those heavy plenty more of those heavy showers come in the up to easter. >> it looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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responsible for a malicious cyber campaign targeting the electoral commission databases containing the names and addresses of 40 million registered voters were visible to chinese hackers in 2021 and 2022, but the government said it didn't affect the outcome of the local elections at the time. the government also said that national cyber security support will help make political parties make sure they're protected from foreign influence. in the run up to the general election. the israeli prime minister has cancelled his planned visit to the white house in washington this week, after the us's decision not to block a un ceasefire vote on gaza. the un security council passed a resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza for the rest of ramadan . the us the rest of ramadan. the us abstained from the vote, with 14 other council members, including russia , china and the uk voting

russia, china and the uk voting in favour. after the vote, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu cancelled his planned visit to washington, saying the us had withdrawn from its consistent position . and in the consistent position. and in the united states, donald trump will go on trial next month. the first ever criminal trial of a former or current us president. separately he scored a significant victory today after an appeals court judge granted him an extension to pay a fine in ten days time, also reducing his liability for that fine from £360 million to £140 million. it also means the state of new york can't now seize his assets in a fraud case, during which he's been accused of inflating his own net worth . here, protest own net worth. here, protest groups save british farming and fairness for farmers of kent have driven their tractors into central london tonight to protest about what they're calling substandard imports and the dishonest labelling of