talking about deporting people in a similar way to france . at in a similar way to france. at long last, that's firm . action long last, that's firm. action that happens . that happens. >> we know, don't we.7 and that happens. >> we know, don't we? and the government's very clear on the issue. when lawyers get involved in human rights of if human rights are invoked and these people are frustrate the will of the , as that's what the politicians, as that's what we've much. but i think we've seen so much. but i think he has stepped his he really has stepped up his game. minister here, game. the prime minister here, he's the steps of he's gone to the steps of downing street. made very downing street. he's made very clear not really clear that it's not really almost really a party almost not really a party political matter, is it? it's one entire democracy . one about our entire democracy. it'll interesting see it'll be very interesting to see what keir starmer what sir keir starmer says later. normally, keir later. normally, sir keir

starmer leader the starmer, labour leader the opposition respond opposition leader will respond somehow to the pm has said. somehow to what the pm has said. so to hearing so we'll look forward to hearing from later . but clearly, from him later. but clearly, clearly governments feel clearly the governments feel that last night's vote in rochdale was was the final straw. they've got to try and move in and make clear that people who undermine democracy, who and divide our , our who try and divide our, our society on or should be called out for what they are, the police should step in if that, if that is illegal. and i think what saw last week outside what we saw last week outside parliament, words the parliament, we saw the words the offensive about israel and offensive words about israel and the communities portrayed offensive words about israel and thethe communities portrayed offensive words about israel and thethe elizabeth|unities portrayed offensive words about israel and thethe elizabeth tower, portrayed offensive words about israel and thethe elizabeth tower, a ortrayed offensive words about israel and thethe elizabeth tower, a big, yed on the elizabeth tower, a big, big benny's house that won't happen again. a line has been drawn sand here by the drawn in the sand here by the prime here downing street. >> okay, chris hope rishi sunak saying must face down the saying we must face down the extremists and with that, i'm going to hand over now seamlessly michelle dewberry seamlessly to michelle dewberry dewbs& co picking up where i left .off. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> i love that that's one of the least seamless handovers i think i've least seamless handovers i think pve had least seamless handovers i think i've had in all of my life. i've ever had in all of my life. speaking let's speaking of extremists, let's hand to dewbs& co. thank hand over to dewbs& co. thank you much for martin

you very much for that. martin daubney . well, yes, there is daubney. well, yes, there is never a dull moment in british politics, is there? of course, today is absolutely no exception , given where everybody do we even begin of course, we've seen the absolute worst whirlwind that happened in rochdale last night with george galloway. he has been issuing some stern warnings to keir starmer. so i want to look at that. i want to look at rochdale. what does galloway's success mean? we'll get into all of that , uh, before get into all of that, uh, before the end of programme, but the end of the programme, but before rewind. of before that, let's rewind. of course, just literally course, we've just literally seen our prime minister rishi sunak streets of downing sunak on the streets of downing street, calling essentially for unity , a rallying cry for us to unity, a rallying cry for us to come together , share our respect come together, share our respect , our shared values. tough talking. uh, when it comes to extremists , i've got a great extremists, i've got a great panel to pick up with all of this tonight. i've got professor matt goodwin. good evening to you. good evening. ella whelan as well. good evening to you. i've got some faces and names

that will recognise . joining that you will recognise. joining us into this on tonight's us to get into this on tonight's programme, iain duncan smith i'll be talking to him soon. mike freer the mp of course the very mp that said actually he's not again because not going to stand again because of and intimidation. so of threats and intimidation. so he listened to rishi he will have listened to rishi sunak. is, he reassured sunak. there is, he reassured now or not? matt goodwin, when you listen to that speech, i'm sitting very close to you so i could hear you. you're line in response was you said he's panicking . panicking. >> i think he is. i think what's happened here is that we have we've had a succession of events that have happened from october. the seventh onwards. we've had the protests , we've had the the protests, we've had the actions in parliament last week. we've now got the election of george galloway. we've got well , george galloway. we've got well, and i think what many people will be wondering is why has it taken so for long our leaders to taken so for long our leaders to take action? now, look, i actually wrote a piece earlier this week saying it's time to draw a line in the sand . this week saying it's time to draw a line in the sand. in fact, that's what the title of

the piece was. and i'm actually heartened by the way in which number 10 is finally saying, look, if the police get serious about about taking action with the protesters, then they will have political support. but let's be honest about this, michel, let me just say something that perhaps is on the provocative side . if you look at provocative side. if you look at what's happening in the country today with mass migration, with borders that are not in control, with a government that has no serious policy for integration, for bringing people together, then in actually the people of that country are going to feel very anxious. they're going to feel very concerned. and what worries me about that intervention is , on the one intervention is, on the one hand, we have leaders saying, right, we acknowledge there's a problem, but on the other hand, we're not actually about we're not actually talking about what this problem. what is fuelling this problem. and think unless we get real and i think unless we get real about dealing with those wider challenges , the growth challenges, the growth of radical islamism within our societies, the abhorrent rise of anti—semitism that we've seen in recent weeks , the ongoing rates ,

recent weeks, the ongoing rates, record rates of mass migration , record rates of mass migration, the lack of control of britain's borders, the inability to leave things like the echr which would allow us to control who comes in and who goes out of the country. we're not going to deal with this problem. so i think we just need to get real. michelle we need to get real. michelle we need to get real. michelle we need to start thinking about what is actually behind this growing security crisis facing britain. >> to just mention as >> i want to just mention as well, it's just about the well, it's not just about the panel the guest tonight. it panel and the guest tonight. it is very about you guys at is very much about you guys at home well. want all of home as well. so i want all of your i can see my your reaction. i can see my inboxis your reaction. i can see my inbox is starting to fill up. gb news gbviews@gbnews.com is how you reach me . you can tweet or you reach me. you can tweet or text me as well at gb news. but for now ella whelan your thoughts. well listen, i think that a lot of people watching and listening to that speech will be heartened by the fact that he so openly talking that he is so openly talking about islamism . about islamism. >> um, and that's something that's quite rare in parliament at the moment. um it's actually there's probably going to be a lot of labour mps who are

feeling a bit odd about that speech, because it's a lot of them are the that are them are the ones that are facing lot of the brunt of the facing a lot of the brunt of the intimidation from, um, um, islamist campaigners and organisers. and, and yet organisers. um, and, and yet it's the tory prime minister who's sort of calling out what they're facing. so there's been a bit strange situation a bit of a strange situation there, but the but feel there, but the but i feel depressed because his solution to the issues that we face is punitive measures . so, um, you punitive measures. so, um, you know, the prevent programme number one is useless. it doesn't work. that's the first criticism of it. and the i think it's so useless because it's all it's so useless because it's all it does is make a show of sort of being intimidatory and punitive to university students . punitive to university students. and it doesn't it's not successful in we know it's not successful. it's been running for a very long time in rooting out any of the issues on campus. but also it's a it's a deeply censorious policy which has, you know, had lots of evidence of clamping down on essentially clamping down on essentially clamping down on muslim students wanting to hold events. it's actually there's been criticism

of it racist in the past, of it being racist in the past, which think is quite believable. >> do you think people need >> do you think some people need to if you want to to be censored if you want to wander the streets calling for jihad, for example, do you think free speech to do you free speech to you, or do you think you should be think actually you should be censored? much. censored? thank you very much. well, difference. well, there's the difference. >> is whether it >> the line is whether it crosses over into a threat of action and violence. at action and physical violence. at least that's my line as a free speech absolutist. think speech absolutist. but i think that there much there's that there is much there's a real for police get more real need for police to get more serious and more active in terms of events, but of policing these events, but i don't that people should don't think that people should be putting slogans be locked up for putting slogans on the side of buildings. and by the think that chanting the way, i think that chanting from to river the sea is from the to river the sea is like saying israel and jews shouldn't exist. and i completely disagree with it. i think um , think it's abhorrent. but, um, you know, in this free and tolerant society rishi you know, in this free and tolerarjustciety rishi you know, in this free and tolerarjust spent rishi you know, in this free and tolerarjust spent quite shi you know, in this free and tolerarjust spent quite sh lot of sunak just spent quite a lot of time defending quite convincingly. um, we are meant to hold , you hold those to hold, you know, hold those views substantially and treat them know , them seriously. you know, integration is not something that can be magicked into existence by a government policy . it's not a kind of tick box

exercise. it can't even really be legislated for. you can do certain things like, you know, have certain things in the curriculum and, and, you know, there are some things you can do, but really it has to be a sort of authentic and informal thing. in many ways. it has to be, you know, genuine integration within communities on basis. people on an informal basis. people gathering same area . gathering in the same area. >> and it's also impossible while you're running this level of population change at this pace , i don't know any society pace, i don't know any society that has managed to stay integrated while running, uh, levels of net migration at 700,000. >> we know your interest in the migration issue, matthew, but i think the i think probably what you forget is that the issue of social alienation and community division and all the rest of it has a big part to play in identity politics. and in particular, if you look at rochdale, i mean, it's quite remarkable that you have the, you know, whether it's azhar ali or george galloway talking about this for somewhere or george galloway talking about this in for somewhere or george galloway talking about this in the for somewhere or george galloway talking about this in the world, mewhere or george galloway talking about this in the world, a ewhere or george galloway talking about this in the world, a win ere different in the world, a win for palestine rather than a win for palestine rather than a win

for rochdale. obviously there for palestine rather than a win foryeah.1ale. obviously there for palestine rather than a win foryeah. why obviously there for palestine rather than a win foryeah. why obvthe ly there for palestine rather than a win foryeah. why obvthe identity is. yeah. why are the identity politics issue. it's also politics issue. but it's also the that know, that the case that you know, um, that we can't there's no sort of working class community anymore. there's no it's i think it's a bit of a sort of fallacy to suggest that all our issues lie in migration. you can't there's a much bigger. me just a much bigger. let me just finish. a much bigger finish. there's a much bigger problem to problem here in relation to people people people integrating and people forming community ties and people feeling, you know , people feeling, you know, particularly in rochdale, represented and active and, you know , alive in politics. i think know, alive in politics. i think we you know, migration is certainly a big issue. we should consider it. i'm not shutting down debate , but i just down that debate, but i just think might lost or might think we might get lost or might have a sort insubstantial and have a sort of insubstantial and superficial if we superficial conversation if we don't the real issue , don't look at the real issue, which broken record. which is that broken record. here again , we don't don't here again, we don't we don't know what our british values are. certainly know to are. we certainly don't know to how we get how defend them until we get that and we shouldn't that right and we shouldn't start. uh playing scapegoat with other groups. nobody's playing scapegoat. >> i'm tired of people using that lazy argument. you cannot have lazy. cannot have an have lazy. you cannot have an integrated . integrated. >> have a cup of coffee, matt. come on.

>> would be f—- >> chance would be a fine thing. he was to get one earlier he was trying to get one earlier on. >> you cannot have an integrated society running society when you are running these of population these levels of population change. furthermore, what change. and furthermore, what we're in britain and what we're seeing in britain and what rishi sunak where rishi sunak is, he is basically is, right. is he is basically saying a toxic saying we have a toxic combination a radical left combination of a radical left identitarian politics colliding with radical islamism, which is basically giving radical islamism a free pass. it's enabung islamism a free pass. it's enabling extremists to run around the streets, setting off fireworks , celebrating genocide, fireworks, celebrating genocide, and so on. we need to step back, and so on. we need to step back, and we need to deal with each of these problems in a methodical way. we need to push back hard against radical islamists. if you're a foreign national and you're a foreign national and you glorify islamist terrorism , you glorify islamist terrorism, you glorify islamist terrorism, you deported from the you should be deported from the country you're a british country and if you're a british citizen glorifying terrorism and you're the british you're violating the british rule of law, you should face consequences . should consequences. we should dramatically migration in dramatically lower migration in this country, and we should have a policy of integration a serious policy of integration like the danes have, like the swedes have, and increasingly

like the french have. in fact, i'm heartened to see france now passing that is passing legislation that is going to allow state authorities to remove people from the country who hate that country . country who hate that country. as i said in my piece this week, it's as i said in my piece this week, wsfime as i said in my piece this week, it's time to draw a line in the sand. >> i think you'll i think, you know , rishi sunak in that speech know, rishi sunak in that speech he said something along the lines of, we don't have a transcript in front of us. he said something along the lines of, you know, if you call for the eradication of the state that in relation israel , that was in relation to israel, or you say that you hate this or if you say that you hate this country as you've just sort of said, that should said, um, that that should that's big enough problem that's such a big enough problem to have you deported to either have you deported or to either have you deported or to locked up. and there to have you locked up. and there are of things hate about are lots of things i hate about this country. most most importantly, this current government. you're government. i think you're getting very getting straying into very censorious and dangerous territory speech. and censorious and dangerous territo not speech. and censorious and dangerous territo not something ch. and censorious and dangerous territo not something thatrnd that's not something that will win over voters rochdale or win over voters in rochdale or anywhere meant to be win over voters in rochdale or a|free ere meant to be win over voters in rochdale or a|free and meant to be win over voters in rochdale or a|free and tolerant meant to be win over voters in rochdale or a|free and tolerant society.t to be a free and tolerant society. let's that game well. let's not play that game well. >> let's just cross out. i will, uh, pick this conversation in the studio back up, but let me

just live back to just cross live back to our political editor, christopher just cross live back to our politicchristopher,ristopher just cross live back to our politicchristopher, are»pher just cross live back to our politicchristopher, are you�* just cross live back to our politicchristopher, are you still hope. christopher, are you still with us there outside of downing street ? i've got two questions street? i've got two questions for you. yes >> hi, michel. i'm still here. >> hi, michel. i'm still here. >> i've got two questions for you. i'm looking at my inbox. it's a lot of people, um, are saying. and some of them are using some quite choice language such as the strength of feeling. but story short, they but long story short, they basically don't basically saying they don't believe that sunak is believe that rishi sunak is going to make a blind bit of difference. s on this issue. do you ? well i do, and here's why you? well i do, and here's why i think that you can give speeches to think tanks , even say things to think tanks, even say things at the despatch box in parliament, but very rarely is prime minister, do you say things on the steps of number 10? >> normally you're resigning from office or you're arriving at office. you're calling election. you're doing something that's existential all about your leadership in this country. now, i think that was the idea of today . that's why the pm

of today. that's why the pm stood on the on the step and said, right , stood on the on the step and said, right, enough is enough. i'm standing here on a in a, uh, on a lectern with the seal of the office of prime minister on the office of prime minister on the front of it. i'm saying to the front of it. i'm saying to the country, and i'm making it almost cross party, that we have to stop the pressure on on democracy from the far right and the far left islamists. it's got to stop. it's not who this country is. and i'm proof of that. look at me. i've come. i'm the second generation of immigrant , the second generation of immigrant, have come here. i've made my life here. i've been a huge success. when i became prime minister, no one looked to me and said, oh, first ever indian or indian heritage, prime minister. that was a big issue in india i remember vividly. but for this country we said, what almost what's the problem? and he to channel that and say he wants to channel that and say this is the of all these this is the end of all these past few weeks. it stops here. and probably couldn't and he probably couldn't make the frankly, michel , the speech. frankly, michel, when the by—election when the rochdale by—election was underway because of the way that the gaza conflict has had

sort had become a real issue in that by—election. so i think he had to do it when the mp had been elected . george galloway, been elected. george galloway, you know, democracy has spoken. he's the mp for rochdale. he takes his seat on monday. he made not happy about made clear he's not happy about george galloway mp. he george galloway being the mp. he criticised him, but he made clear that that's democracy . but clear that that's democracy. but i coming , clear that that's democracy. but i coming, making a clear that that's democracy. but i coming , making a speech i think coming, making a speech like that on the step of downing street, that is our pm saying there's a line in the sand. he now expects all of the government to follow his lead. that's the prevent people in the home office and the levelling up departments. that's the police officers to enforce the law. they've stop words being they've got to stop words being projected are offensive projected that are offensive onto parliament ensure that onto to parliament ensure that any kind of mask wearing is stopped, ensure that people any kind of mask wearing is st0|noti, ensure that people any kind of mask wearing is st0|not intimidatedthat people any kind of mask wearing is st0|not intimidated on: people any kind of mask wearing is st0|not intimidated on peaceful are not intimidated on peaceful marches. it's a time that it's time for british values to be restored. i think he was saying and and others stop ripping and stop and others stop ripping us apart . us apart. >> christopher hope, thank you very much. now i can cross live to ian duncan smith, of course. tory mp, former leader of the

conservative tvs. good evening to you . uh, ian. to you. uh, ian. >> good evening. good evening. >> good evening. good evening. >> you you listened to rishi sunak there. do you feel galvanised ? do you feel full of galvanised? do you feel full of positivity and hope? following his words ? his words? >> well, i think he said the right things. so whether it inspires me or doesn't inspire me, he's in a way irrelevant. the question is, are we going to act on it? and the reality we've seen on our streets every single saturday and in other cities as well , apart saturday and in other cities as well, apart from london, we've seen really quite intimidating marches . a lot of people feel marches. a lot of people feel very intimidated. i've talking to a lot of jewish people who are frightened now. there have been a lot of chants taking place. i had a comment with somebody who'd been chanting away from the river to the sea, and i asked them, what do they think river the means? think river to the sea means? and said, oh, it's about, and they said, oh, it's about, you restoring, uh, you know, restoring, uh, palestinian it's palestinian peace. i said, it's not hezbollah. came up not hezbollah. and hamas came up with this comment. it means clearing jews out of

clearing the jews out of palestine . so, know, a lot palestine. so, you know, a lot of don't quite know what of people don't quite know what they're doing, it's they're actually doing, but it's very it's very hateful. and these sort of things damage people's lives . worry them. people's lives. they worry them. and uk , people and here in the uk, people shouldn't like that in shouldn't live like that in fear. and that's what he was saying. we need to take saying. we need now to take action where this is necessary to stop this sort of process . of to stop this sort of process. of course. peaceful marches. fine it's people's political right. it's people's political right. it's part of the freedoms, but not in an attempt to. often it seems to intimidate others and to impose themselves on them. and george galloway is a product of what's been going on over the last, well, not just the last few weeks. for some time now, radicalism has, you know, literally taken root here in the uk, which is very sad. >> i mean, we're seeing a situation now, aren't we? we've already had the mp, mike freer. i was speaking to him a little bit later on in the programme. he's saying that he's not going to run again because these to run again because of these threats. you threats. i remember you yourself. i think back in 2019, some experiences that you some of the experiences that you had, really unpleasant had, um, were really unpleasant graffiti, uh, at the offices,

social media abuse . and i'm sure social media abuse. and i'm sure my memory serves me correctly as well. and i think i've even got an image and i apologise if anyone's squeamish, but i think you yourself was sent like a decomposing rat rat at some point during your campaign. i mean , you know, how do you guys mean, you know, how do you guys deal with this kind of stuff ? deal with this kind of stuff? >> well, we just get on, really, i guess, is the way to do it. i mean, i've had death threats. i had a death threat last year which accused myself and my office of being jewish. well, i'm not jewish, but i'm i'm proud to have been thought of being jewish. i think that it's a ridiculous statement to make, but therefore it's a death threat encompassed in it. it goes on. lot of mps goes on. a lot of other mps have had same, uh, i just report had the same, uh, i just report these things to the police , hope these things to the police, hope that will take that the police will take action. i'm a action. sometimes i'm a bit concerned because seem as concerned because they seem as though shrug and say, though they shrug and say, there's we can do about there's nothing we can do about it. but i do think that action needs by the police. needs to be taken by the police. they need to recognise that some of these are genuine

of these things are genuine threats, all of threats, but all of that notwithstanding, we're here to be . i would never be accessible. i would never stop people coming to see me. i'd never stop going to people's houses them or to talk to houses to see them or to talk to groups such the other day groups such as was the other day at community library, for at the community library, for fear that something happen fear that something would happen to accept that and to me. you just accept that and get on with it. we live in a society that is tolerant for most . the vast, vast majority of most. the vast, vast majority of the people . but those can't the people. but those who can't be are those who think be tolerant are those who think that they have to take direct action. those who want to make people think we people feel scared. i think we should only one message. i should have only one message. i thought the prime made thought the prime minister made it today. time is up. we're it today. your time is up. we're not to be tolerant . the not going to be so tolerant. the people who have no tolerance in themselves and lastly, do you think all mps should have security? >> i i'm when i was leader turned down security because i didn't really want it encumbering me charging around. >> i didn't have security when i was a secretary of state and i've always sort of been very uneasy about mps having security between them and the members of

the public. so it's up to individuals. i think it's up to what parliament decides . but i what parliament decides. but i do genuinely think the most cherished thing i know, constituents feel it is their ability to get to their members of parliament when all else fails for them to talk to them. it is a peculiar service. i had a nigerian security. it was sent to us, um, a year ago, i think it was, and there had been some problems and some threats and he walked down the street with us while we were knocking on doors, and i was knocking on doors by myself. and about after an hour he turned and he said, you he turned to me and he said, you never this anywhere else. he never see this anywhere else. he said it wouldn't be in my home country. it wouldn't be in any other country been it other country i've been to. it is peculiar for you here to walk around or often around by yourselves or often just doors and be just knock on doors and be accessible. and that's the cherished bit about being a member parliament, is being member of parliament, is being able to your constituents able to get to your constituents for them to you without for them to get to you without worrying or looking over your shoulder. but we should sustain that. where shoulder. but we should sustain thatpolice where shoulder. but we should sustain thatpolice need where shoulder. but we should sustain thatpolice need to where shoulder. but we should sustain thatpolice need to take where shoulder. but we should sustain thatpolice need to take it.iere the police need to take it. >> ian duncan smith, thank you

very much for your time your very much for your time and your reaction tonight. christopher hope downing hope back to you on downing street for update . street for an update. christopher, what can you tell . us >> oh, michelle. hello. sorry it's pouring with rain here in downing street on a friday night. yeah, we've had some response so far from ed davey who is the liberal democrat leader. he says the british people will take no lessons from a prime minister and tory party who the division who sow the seeds of division for they're making for years. so they're making quite political. i think this is quite political. i think this is quite interesting here. this is the same prime minister ed davey says, made suella braverman says, who made suella braverman home anderson home secretary and lee anderson as the party's chairman. as the party's deputy chairman. if is serious about if the pm is serious about bringing people together his call, he should call a general election now. people, the election now. so the people, the british public can decide the future of our country. so that kind which the pm was kind of idea, which the pm was trying to get across, reaching across party divide in to look after our democracy has been rejected tonight by the liberal

democrats . democrats. >> christopher, i can tell you now , um, george galloway, he was now, um, george galloway, he was just interviewed off the back of that rishi. um sunak statement and he um, apparently said, i've got the democratic mandate here, not rishi sunak. don't put statements made by rishi sunak to me as if i'm meant to be impressed by them. when asked, do you respect the prime minister? he said i despise lies. the prime minister you just have to suck it up. he says i won the election. matt goodwin, your thoughts? >> well, i mean, he won in a by—election, but i think the george galloway, uh , um, show is george galloway, uh, um, show is being massively exaggerated and so you can come back to that. i think, look what what what we're seeing, i think is a is a prime minister who's clearly also by the way

i >> -- >> well hello there. michelle jubun >> well hello there. michelle juburi back with you on a massive day and night again for british politics. we've just heard, haven't we? from our prime minister? uh, probably coming up to an hour ago now, basically calling for unity for us all to come together. he was talking very tough indeed . he's talking very tough indeed. he's going to start clamping down, i tell you, on the protesters , it tell you, on the protesters, it doesn't wash with so many of our viewers , professor matt goodwin viewers, professor matt goodwin alongside me as is ella whelan so many of you are saying, kate

says the pm says that we're nice, kind, decent, tolerant people . michelle. but surely people. michelle. but surely thatis people. michelle. but surely that is a problem to our enemies. we need to be less kind, decent and tolerant . um. kind, decent and tolerant. um. pam says empty words from the prime minister. he's going to do absolutely nothing. tess says. what was the point in the prime minister's speech? he is still going to let all those, what going to let all of those, what she calls hate marches continues . uh, sarah says wowzers. that was tough talk, come on now was tough talk, but come on now he's in action, isn't he? he's in action, man, isn't he? i want to have faith in him, i desperately do. i'm going to watch this space. ella whelan. well, i mean, that first comment that you read out from one of the viewers about being less, maybe need to be less kind maybe we need to be less kind and tolerant. >> i mean, whatever about the kind not suggesting kind thing. i'm not suggesting we kumbayah around we all sing kumbayah around these turn other these issue and turn the other cheek when with serious cheek when faced with serious threats islamism. but threats like islamism. um, but i do think tolerant, how do think the tolerant, how tolerant issue is tolerant we are issue is interesting . um, because it interesting. um, because when it comes to as rishi sunak has just tried to sort of make an attempt to condemning islamism , um, to do, condemning islamism, um, um, with that, i

um, and dealing with that, i don't think we should be tolerant of that. we should condemn it very openly. we should. a betterjob should. we could do a betterjob of hamas, certainly of condemning hamas, certainly within sort of the pro—palestine marches. but tolerance also encapsulate it's the idea of how far you go with freedom of speech. and i think it's telling that the government's response to and indeed in the in duncan—smith interview , that you duncan—smith interview, that you just had the response to dealing with the issues raised by these protests, sometimes anti—semitism , sometimes genuine anti—semitism, sometimes genuine support for people of gaza , of support for people of gaza, of whom plight is terrible and whom the plight is terrible and i think most people sympathise with, um, is to just crack down on protest. to not police on protest. it's to not police them more thoroughly and more focussed more in a more focussed approach, but to simply impose blanket and bans on protests. obviously the government has form on this banning protests that are too noisy. iain duncan smith just talking about the protests that should be banned if it's there to intimidate and impose, well, good protests do intimidate and impose their views . the issue here is not the

views. the issue here is not the question of freedom of protests, it's the issue of anti—semitism and i think the way to deal with anti—semitism is to reject censorious approaches and to say these views need to be held out in the open, given the antiseptic of sunlight. and we need to openly argue with them. that's how we'll win the debate, not the black button. not by pushing the black button. >> now, everybody, >> i'll tell you now, everybody, professor he's professor matt goodwin, he's chomping respond chomping at the bit to respond to that, and he will be able to do just a second. but do so in just a second. but before i bring him back in, let me just cross live to the tory mp freer. good evening mp mike freer. good evening to you, now, we've just you, mike. now, uh, we've just had prime minister, haven't had our prime minister, haven't we, issuing essentially a rallying cry to the nation. he reckons he's going to get tough now on people that are essentially not toeing the line, clamped on those people clamped down on those people that us, way that basically hate us, our way of and think that can of life and think that they can intimidate democracy . kc were intimidate democracy. kc were you buoyed by what you heard? obviously, i need to remind viewers that you're going viewers that you're not going to stand at the next election because of threats and intimidation. feel better intimidation. do you feel better about having about the situation than having heard had say ?

heard what rishi had to say? >> of all, i want to >> well, first of all, i want to say that it's unfair to say the prime minister has been slow. he has been slow. you know, the government have been ratcheting up our response to the level of demonstrate and intimidation. we do have to be careful, as the prime minister said, we are a tolerant nation and we need to get this right in tightening up, making sure that illegal activity is dealt with firmly by the police and also redoubling our efforts to ensure that those of us who want to see british values embedded in our society , values embedded in our society, uh, we keep going to make sure that those values are maintained. but i think we also have to be careful. it's very tempting, as some of your viewers have suggested, to want to just go too far. viewers have suggested, to want to just go too far . and i think to just go too far. and i think sometimes our opponents want us to overreact and clamp down too hard because it plays into their hands. so the prime minister's right is to ratchet up the pressure. ratchet up the response and close down the avenues for intimidation rather

than a blanket response. so i do feel that he's got the tone right. i do think he's got the judgement right. and i'm looking forward to seeing what the details are in the framework and do you have trust and faith? >> because my viewers, >> because many of my viewers, mike, writing in saying mike, they're writing in saying that all wonderful and that it all sounds wonderful and it sounds great and all the rest of it, but they don't have the trust and faith now that anything is going change. anything is going to change. like then about, like he was talking then about, he's create new he's going to create this new framework clamp down on the framework to clamp down on the protesters pushing protesters that are pushing the envelope, but this envelope, essentially. but this has on for weeks. if not has gone on for weeks. if not months. uh, talk is very easy, isn't it? and i have to say, many, many people don't think anything at all will change. >> well, again, um , you know, >> well, again, um, you know, talk is easy and so is criticism . um, but it's also much harder to pass new legislation . that to pass new legislation. that does take some time. but the government have banned face coverings . they have taken coverings. they have taken action on those who are dressed as terrorists. we're seeing much more, uh , visible

more, uh, visible interventionist policing because of what the prime minister basically told the police to do. and we'll see more of that. so it's not true that no action has been taken. but we do have to make sure that we get it right. i'm fully supportive of the prime minister i want this to be deau prime minister i want this to be dealt with. i want take dealt with. i want us to take firm am also firm action, but i am also absolutely keen that we get it right because our democracy is fragile and i don't want to get it wrong in playing to the hands of our enemies. so i appreciate all the frustrations. i get frustrated well when had frustrated as well when i've had to with issues. i've to deal with old issues. i've deau to deal with old issues. i've dealt also know we dealt with equally. also know we have to make sure that we carry the public with us as whole the public with us as a whole and it right. if we're going and get it right. if we're going to maintain that freedom of speech, but also ensure that it doesn't freedom of doesn't become freedom of intimidation. the premier is intimidation. so the premier is right to take it step by step and not rush to in a knee jerk reaction. so it has my support. >> i asked , um, earlier, iain >> i asked, um, earlier, iain duncan smith whether or not he thinks now that all mps essentially should have security. he didn't security. he said he didn't think that. do you know, as i

said , um, you know, i already said, um, you know, i already have you know, my home is a fortress. >> my office is a fortress. um but our accessibility is the cornerstone of our parliamentary democracy . and i don't believe democracy. and i don't believe that putting a ring of steel around us is the answer. we need to address the root causes is why we're seeing so much more extremism , why people feel, um, extremism, why people feel, um, emboldened and emboldened to attack mps. let's deal with those issues, including social media, as well as making sure sensible security is put in place, but not a ring of steel around us. >> mike freer, thank you very much for your time and your insights. there much appreciated. um i know you wanted to come back on, um, ella so you can pick up on what ella said or what you just said there from mike freer. >> well, i think essentially what we need to try and do as a country is, is try and get the debate to a place where we are realistic . realistic. >> talk about the main threat that's facing us in britain. and that's facing us in britain. and that threat isn't actually

social media. it isn't about being nice to one another. it isn't about saying very vague and arguably meaningless things about shared british values , about shared british values, when we also can't seem to define what those values are. the threat that's facing us currently, the major threat by a long way, is radical, violent islamism. so firstly, what is our strategy for dealing with that as a country around that that as a country around that thatis that as a country around that that is being enabled both by mass immigration, which we're not allowed to criticise , a not allowed to criticise, a broken policy of multiculturalism, which clearly isn't working because it prioritises group difference over the things that we share in common, and it's being enabled and encouraged by a radicalised cultural left, which is bringing in identity politics, which gives radical islamists a free pass. gives radical islamists a free pass . so we gives radical islamists a free pass. so we need to deal gives radical islamists a free pass . so we need to deal with pass. so we need to deal with each of these challenges in turn , and we need a national debate thatis , and we need a national debate that is not driven by liberal commentators inside the m25 who

have a moral panic and meltdown . have a moral panic and meltdown. any time somebody questions these policies and whether or not they're working , as we saw not they're working, as we saw with suella braverman , we need a with suella braverman, we need a grown up discussion like the french are having like the germans are having, like the swedes are having, which is the society that we're creating in the west , society that we're creating in the west, built around society that we're creating in the west , built around large the west, built around large scale migration with little integration and then not really working . the swedes are working. the swedes are backtrack. they've done a u—turn on this experiment. the french are now radically changing course . this isn't actually not course. this isn't actually not everything ella is a free speech issue. sometimes this is about security and ensuring that you can provide your citizens with the basic thing that a state should give them, which is keeping them safe and secure and if i'm a british jew looking at the events in recent months, by the events in recent months, by the way, because we've heard very about britain's very little about britain's jewish communities today, um , jewish communities today, um, outside speech by by outside of the speech by by rishi sunak, you know, i would have been looking at the events over the last five months, michel and probably thinking it's leave britain and

it's time to leave britain and they're asking for a serious response to this as well. but if you, um, you know, you make your points about migration and i think probably a lot of , you think probably a lot of, you know, viewers and listeners in this channel will agree terms this channel will agree in terms of, um, lowering the numbers going forward. >> there, you know, take >> but there, you know, take rochdale, for example . a lot of rochdale, for example. a lot of the people who voted for galloway, there are then their, um, sons and daughters of migrants. they're second generation people. so i don't really know what you're asking for. >> are you, as i also as for.— >> are you, as i also as i also. >> but hang on, are you survivors like you who introduced it starts to sound like you are suggesting that if people don't go along with an official policy of integration, um, what? >> are you going to deport them? are you going to. i'm saying, i'm saying strip them of their citizenship. i'm saying no, put them in jail. i'll be absolutely clear. >> let be absolutely clear. >> let me be absolutely clear. like france. firstly, you're like france. firstly, if you're a foreign glorifying a foreign national glorifying islamist you should islamist terrorism, you should be country. be removed from the country. secondly, you're a british

secondly, if you're a british terrifying that's the terrifying mean, that's the that's free where the that's that's the free where the free expressing voicing free speech expressing voicing support a proscribed support for a proscribed organisation such as hamas. >> it's different >> secondly, it's different to campaigning . >> secondly, it's different to canyou're ng . >> secondly, it's different to canyou're glorifying is >> you're glorifying is different campaigning . different to campaigning. >> you're a british >> secondly, if you're a british national glorifying islamist terrorism, we have legislation for that. we have laws that need to be imposed by the police. i think many people watching this channel have spent the last few years feeling as though the police are more interested in taking the knee for black lives matter and demonstrating solidarity with pride. flags than doing their job. and what worries me more than anything is when public confidence in core pubuc when public confidence in core public services like the police begins to collapse . we have a begins to collapse. we have a real problem. so i think it's quite clear what i'm saying. i would like us to begin begin by deaung would like us to begin begin by dealing the challenges that dealing with the challenges that are going to come down the line. if we don't start making changes now, while also encouraging these within these communities within a policy multiculturalism, these communities within a policy isn'tiulticulturalism, these communities within a policy isn't working. 'alism, these communities within a policy isn't working. itism, these communities within a policy isn't working. it is1, these communities within a policy isn't working. it is not which isn't working. it is not succeeding. we have to revisit that. we have to come up with a different policy for

integration. >> i think that the way to handle issue is not to handle this issue is not to deport lock up our way out deport and lock up our way out of it. i think that is an intolerant and illiberal approach to a challenge in society. hang on, what society. hang on, matt, what you're does cost you're suggesting does cost lives, of that lives, so you're aware of that because we deported many of because if we deported many of the asylum seekers that went to on islamist atrocities, on commit islamist atrocities, like, example, in like, for example, in manchester, people wouldn't have lost lives. i have no, lost their lives. i have no, i have no problem with. i think no one will have any problem of deporting and getting just said one will have any problem of depido ng and getting just said one will have any problem of depido have d getting just said one will have any problem of depido have d getting jiwilh aid you do have a problem with defaulting. i'm talking about people rochdale are people in rochdale who are second generation immigrants. sure, kids, sure, people parents have kids, but think the but hang on, i think the interest, if we the issue interest, if we take the issue of the pro—palestine marches, what going on there ? what do you have going on there? you , i think we were you have, um, i think we were talking about this earlier, but there were some technical differences on the program. so you couldn't hear us. you have a large people are large section of people who are on marches they on those marches because they look at what's happening in gaza, appalled. and gaza, and they're appalled. and maybe of almost maybe it's sort of almost apolitical just they apolitical. it's just that they think death and destruction think that death and destruction that's the that's happening, whatever the political it, political reasoning behind it, is and they're out

is wrong. and so they're out there wouldn't like them there and i wouldn't like them to labelled with the to be labelled with the extremist anti—semitic extremist or anti—semitic label because just true . but because it's just not true. but you in those protests , you also have in those protests, a significant sections of people who are either openly , openly who are either openly, openly pro hamas, unashamedly pro hamas, and then a large section of people, quite often from muslim communities who are sort of just putting their fingers in their ears and saying, that's okay, i'll just this slide okay, i'll just let this slide because don't want there because i don't want to go there and rabbi anti—semitism and having a rabbi anti—semitism now , now, i think the way to now, now, i think the way to approach without clamping approach that without clamping down protests , without down on protests, without jailing for having jailing people, for having political views, even if they are utterly distasteful , is to are utterly distasteful, is to have of open discussions have kind of open discussions about the issue of islamism . um, about the issue of islamism. um, you know, if you take the so but what's specifically do you do with hamas supporters the marches? >> you do with those? is >> what do you do with those? is that's where we just have an open debate about if you if you are openly calling for physical action i'm action and violence, if i'm wearing hamas bandana, think wearing a hamas bandana, i think it's abhorrent. wearing a hamas bandana, i think it's i bhorrent. wearing a hamas bandana, i think it's i thinkznt. wearing a hamas bandana, i think it's i think it's terrible. so you >> i think it's terrible. so you should disagree. should be you disagree. >> would that >> you would agree that you would you would agree with those. you don't agree them being put

don't agree with them being put in jail. >> no. because this is this call comes down the issue of comes down to the issue of what's long time gain here? what's the long time gain here? what's long eradicate what's the long tum eradicate islamist extremism. don't islamist extremism. you don't eradicate islamist eradicate hate islamist extremism by driving it underground that underground and pretending that it exist, by locking it it doesn't exist, by locking it up. >> answer is to keep >> so the answer is to keep hamas supporters streets hamas supporters on the streets wearing hamas balaclavas, saying to people, by the way, to other people, by the way, that voicing support for islamist terrorism acceptable islamist terrorism is acceptable in british society. >> no, no, you're being a little bit silly. >> you said you'd leave them on the streets. >> no, hang on, you're being. >> no, hang on, you're being. >> you you wouldn't take >> you said you wouldn't take them marches. >> you said you wouldn't take the you're marches. >> you said you wouldn't take the you're maa hes. >> you said you wouldn't take the you're maa little. >> you're being a little. >> you're being a little. >> this is a serious issue, ella. >> okay. we'll let her respond to it then. >> you're being a little bit silly because i'm not suggesting that we let it slide. i think we have to make clear that there's a and a very big difference. and to me, who's very, very, me, as someone who's very, very, um, feels very, very strongly about speech about freedom of speech and democracy and political action in masses, is big in the masses, there is a big difference between creating social norms and condemning things. disagree with amongst things. we disagree with amongst ourselves. police ourselves. and a police words are we're talking. are nice, but we're talking. let me finish . me finish. >> you're going around in

circles . circles. >> e- circles. >> going around in circles. >> somebody wearing a hamas banneris >> somebody wearing a hamas banner is implicitly supporting the committed against the atrocities committed against jews israel, and that jews in israel, and that is abhorrent. should be allowed to >> and they should be allowed to march britain's streets, is march on britain's streets, is what you're saying? >> saying we're not >> i'm saying that we're not going deal with this of going to deal with this issue of rising islamist threat by simply pretending we can it pretending that we can lock it all we can that and all up, that we can that and that has been, mentioned, the that has been, i mentioned, the prevent programme from the beginning the programme. the beginning of the programme. the government is government response to this is to on protests and to clamp down on protests and just say no is allowed to just say no one is allowed to say anything. what that that message sends. and we know message that sends. and we know that relation that this trend in relation to other unrelated other totally unrelated political issues like the growth of support for donald trump or whatever else, that if you push things underground and you say that can't have debate, that people can't have debate, i'm the law that i'm saying uphold the law that they and you say you can't they that and you say you can't have debates and discuss even very tense things openly. >> a debate, you then >> have a debate, then you then what is you don't deal what you do is you don't deal with the issue. >> what i think that the worst response the vile response to the vile anti—semitism we've grown anti—semitism we've seen grown on today, um , is to on the streets today, um, is to be censorious because we know what happens with the censorious

approach anti—semitism. well, approach to anti—semitism. well, let's it festers underground and it up, run around on on it blows up, run around on on britain's streets with, with hamas insignia because that is surely the cure to the problem of radical islamism . of radical islamism. >> i that is the opposite of what we should be doing. and if i was a member of britain's jewish communities listening to this, this is exactly the problem with britain. what you're paint me as is you're trying to paint me as is somebody that just wants to lock everybody up and forget that we have no, have a problem, said, well, no, no, be clear. no, let me be clear. >> you said deport and jail. >> you said deport and jail. >> yeah. said, deport foreign >> yeah. i said, deport foreign nationals glorify islamist nationals who glorify islamist terrorism, is the terrorism, which is what the french what the french are .doing, is what the germans doing. i then said, germans are doing. i then said, secondly, you are you are secondly, if you are if you are showing hamas insignia, if you are expressing support hamas are expressing support for hamas on streets, that is on britain's streets, that is breaking should breaking the law. you should be arrested should be put arrested and you should be put in this is not hard. in prison. this is not hard. this isn't about free speech. >> this is about upholding it. is the british rule of law. it is about free speech. >> we could go into a row about hate speech laws. we could go into row about what's

into a row about what's currently allowed in terms of political expression. this government's response to difficult and entangled political like we've seen political issues like we've seen played out in rochdale , is to played out in rochdale, is to simply the ban button simply press the ban button that's inadequate . it will not that's inadequate. it will not do anything for either protecting the jewish community or furthering proper, open , or furthering proper, open, substantial discussions about what's happening in israel and gaza. i think, matt, i'm afraid that you've gone down a rather dark here we go. >> i'm the only one on this panel >> i'm the only one on this panel, l.a, saying we should uphold the law . uphold the law. >> well, there are lots of things. there are lots of things about the that i disagree with. >> well, apparently. yeah, i look forward to the hamas metropolis. build. >> i didn't know that you were such fan of the, you know, of such a fan of the, you know, of the of the government and law making are you for free making here is are you for free speech or are you not? and i think lost that freedom bonus. >> i would want to live in a >> i would not want to live in a society created by ella whelan. >> let's put it that that way. >> let's put it that that way. >> right? >> let's put it that that way. >> thist? >> let's put it that that way. >> this conversation, this conversation, conversation conversation, this conversation will continue second. will continue in a second. but for just need bring for now, i do just need to bring you to speed. um, with news

you up to speed. um, with news that we're breaking that we're hearing breaking news, hearing, three news, that we're hearing, three people have apparently been injured which in injured in clapham, which is in south—west london, the london ambulance following ambulance service says following reports of shooting incident, reports of a shooting incident, emergency were called emergency crews were called at about tonight the about 5:00 tonight to the incident . uh, it's actually to incident. uh, it's actually to be specific in clapham common, south side . uh, in a statement south side. uh, in a statement there, they've added that we've sent a number of resources, including ambulance crews , including ambulance crews, operational managers, advanced paramedics and london's air ambulance. we've treated three people at the scene there and we've took two to a london major trauma centre and one to a hospital . i trauma centre and one to a hospital. i assure trauma centre and one to a hospital . i assure you we're hospital. i assure you we're staying across that story at the moment. there is an update on that. i will be bringing it to you live, but for now, let's just continue the conversation that we've been having. i want to cross live now , uh, to doctor to cross live now, uh, to doctor sheikh ramsey . good evening to sheikh ramsey. good evening to you. i think you've just been listening to the conversation that we've been having in the studio also. uh rishi sunak. addressing the nation earlier on, what did you think to what

rishi sunak had to say is some kind of. >> he's got a point. kind of. >> he's got a point . we need to >> he's got a point. we need to get all together. we need to get all together. all together and be united. and these these things which we can see at the moment are happening in parliament, are happening in the protests happening. and these are dividing us. we have to get together . they're very together. they're very important. he's message. message is you be united, be united. of course , i haven't heard all of course, i haven't heard all of it. be united. let's get together and let's, let's let's let's work on the, uh, multi culturalism. let's work on the interfaith. let's work be together and united. and this united division between us is damaging us all, damaging the muslim, damaging the jews, damaging christian, damaging, damaging christian, damaging, damaging . therefore, we need to damaging. therefore, we need to take all the all the phobias , take all the all the phobias, xenophobia and art. doesn't matter. is islamophobic or islamophobia or anti—semitism. we have to eradicate all phobias

and we have to get together , and we have to get together, together and hold it, hold it and hold to the hold to the law. hold to the right, protest all to the right. protest all to the all, to the best of all, to our freedom. freedom of speech, freedom. freedom of speech, freedom of, uh, protest . and i freedom of, uh, protest. and i care for the, uh, of course, the care for the, uh, of course, the care for the ceasefire at the moment. i can see you for see, example, uh, on the, on the, on the big band, they're showing the big band, they're showing the showing this, this awful things. however i the showing this, this awful things. howeveri do the showing this, this awful things. however i do not one things. however i do not one thing i tell you many times you show it. i do not believe it's a muslim doing it. i do not believe it's some people all have their own agenda . they have their own agenda. they doing it. and of course they put in a different with the muslim and jews and the muslim and christian and all. and this is very important. we work together, we work together to eradicate islam , to eradicate eradicate islam, to eradicate anti—semitism . people, 4 million anti—semitism. people, 4 million people of muslims and one thing i tell you, if they say, for

example, there is there is extremism. the police is there, the metropolitan police is there police. united kingdom police is one of the best, one of the professional best. they can take them out. they got cameras or have been in a many protest, many protests, which the people come as all sorts from this country, from other countries, from all sorts of the world. they come and, and of course, doing a very, very calm protest and it goes and a token listening and of course, they make their mind up. listening and of course, they make their mind up . who is who make their mind up. who is who is, for example, who has to support, who has, doesn't i personally support the total ceasefire, total ceasefire in the things i personally , uh, i, the things i personally, uh, i, uh, support, support the food for all in the in the in the in the palestine i support the, uh supported the getting the hostages back from pelele and freely giving hostage. i, i support the two state solution

and peace in the middle east. all good. all. and god bless him i >> -- >> all good. let me just ask you a quick, quick question, though, because everything that you say is all well and good, and it appues is all well and good, and it applies very much to all of those people that want to be united, that to come united, that want to come together, want to be together, that want to be tolerant and live in harmony. so that's brilliant all those that's brilliant for all those people. what about those people. but what about those people. but what about those people to live people that don't want to live that what about people that that way? what about people that don't a western way of don't accept a western way of life, don't to life, that don't want to integrate want integrate it, that don't want to be tolerant? what about what do we with those people we have? we do with those people we have? >> an organisation >> we have an organisation called prevent organisation called prevent the organisation again, police knows again, police. police knows there everybody have there is a law. everybody have no one, no one is over the law. everyone even even the rishi sunakis everyone even even the rishi sunak is under the law . sunak is under the law. therefore, they have to bring him to the justice. they have to advise them. we have to advise them. muslim, christian jews advise them. everybody advise them . please don't do that them. please don't do that because we are all pro peace and pro solution . pro ceasefire pro

pro solution. pro ceasefire pro helping each other. and again i said in the in the israel and palestine , the israeli does not palestine, the israeli does not kill in palestinian. the palestinian does not kill in israeli people . human killing israeli people. human killing human. they are all human and we have to stop killing human is indeed very okay. >> and i think that's a very nice, uh, note. i hope that many , uh, listen to your sentiment and do a do indeed agree that what we need is peace and harmony. harmony and unity for now. thank you very much. uh, that's doctor sheikh ramsey. thank you for joining that's doctor sheikh ramsey. thank you forjoining me . that's doctor sheikh ramsey. thank you forjoining me. uh, i can tell you what a lively show it's been. uh, so far, so many people , uh, have got in touch. people, uh, have got in touch. um ella whelan comments are unbelievable . well, well done, unbelievable. well, well done, matt goodwin, you are the voice of common sense . it's. is there of common sense. it's. is there a limit to free speech, ella? um. >> uh, i think that the limit should be pushed right to the point at which , um, speech point at which, um, speech crosses over into harmful

physical action. um, whether that be campaigning to commit terrorist acts or being involved in, um, pushing for physical violence. uh, you know, we can all think of examples of that. i think that's pretty clear. the the, you know, the issue of freedom of speech in relation to the pro—palestine things and hamas support is obviously, you know, i might sound a bit mad to a lot of people, and i can understand why i am disgusted as much as anyone else by people wearing pictures of paragliders, by the open celebration of the what? the pogrom of the 7th of october. for all these things , october. for all these things, um, make me sick and i think need to be challenged. what i want to highlight is the fact that any imposition on freedom of speech and any clampdown on freedom of speech through the statute books by the government does not exist in isolation . it does not exist in isolation. it is not something that will just be used against hamas protesters. it is something that will can be extremely bloated

and used for anyone else. i think the way to argue ourselves out of this situation is to come back to what matt was saying, and is to celebrate what's good and is to celebrate what's good and right about western civilisation. what our civilisation. what are our values? we stand values? what do we stand for? let's 30s you . let's convince 30s to you. >> matlock. tom's fly. >> matlock. tom's fly. >> i think sometimes people can get into vested in get so into vested in a particular idea, like upholding free speech, that they lose sight of what is reality and reality this country is if reality in this country is if you're glorifying prescribed you're glorifying a prescribed organisation or terrorism, there are legal, judicial consequences for that. what i've said on this show is we uphold the law. >> um , lee says, look, it's >> um, lee says, look, it's clear michelle, our rules, our values , democracy, rule of law, values, democracy, rule of law, individual liberty and tolerance and respect, says lee. >> well, there you go. it's been a great show. thank you very much for your company. i do apologise for those brief tech issues that i had. and also, if you're just joining us, it has, uh, emerged now that there has been shooting in clapham, been a shooting in clapham, south london, multiple south west london, multiple casualties and casualties will follow that and have but now,

have the latest. but for now, that's goodbye from us. >> a brighter outlook with boxer gala sponsors of whether on . gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me, annie, from the met office. this further hill snow to for northern areas to come for northern areas throughout tonight and through saturday, going to be saturday, and it's going to be staying across the uk staying cold across the uk through the weekend. low pressures much charge. pressures very much in charge. we've some occluded fronts we've got some occluded fronts wrapped pressure wrapped around that low pressure system that's where the system and that's where the focus the heaviest rain will focus for the heaviest rain will continue to be throughout tonight. so persistent rain tonight. so some persistent rain will parts of will turn to snow over parts of southern scotland and into southern scotland and then into northern areas of scotland later on and another on tonight. and then another batch rain push into batch of rain will push into southern areas of england, bringing risk of some hill bringing a risk of some hill snow here. but anything that does accumulate should does start to accumulate should quickly the temperatures quickly melt as the temperatures rise after sunrise. but it will still be quite a cold start to the weekend . and wherever the weekend. and wherever you are, quite persistent rain are, some quite persistent rain will continue across central and eastern areas of england and then southern scotland

then into southern scotland later on in the and we'll later on in the day. and we'll also this rain turn to snow also see this rain turn to snow across the far north of scotland, particularly over the highlands, through saturday afternoon. quite afternoon. there'll be quite a brisk northerly breeze across northwestern areas, bringing brisk northerly breeze across nortichillyern areas, bringing brisk northerly breeze across nortichilly feelreas, bringing brisk northerly breeze across nortichilly feel and bringing brisk northerly breeze across nortichilly feel and in inging brisk northerly breeze across nortichilly feel and in fact1g that chilly feel and in fact it'll actually still feel fairly cold out there for many areas . cold out there for many areas. turn drier throughout saturday night, so it should a much night, so it should be a much dner night, so it should be a much drier day on sunday. there'll still be some mist fog still be some mist and fog around few showers across around and a few showers across western think it western coasts, but i think it will feel much more pleasant will feel a much more pleasant in the sunshine with lighter winds and bit more in the way winds and a bit more in the way of and weather. of sunny and dry weather. however, the east coast however, across the east coast there some rain moving there could be some rain moving in like it'll in at times. looks like it'll stay cold into the start of next week, but temperatures do start to tuesday onwards. to rise from tuesday onwards. bye looks things to rise from tuesday onwards. byelooks things are heating >> looks like things are heating up boilers spot of weather up. boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news as

i >> -- >> well i >> welcome to the amazon's real world. and tonight we're in the parson's pig in crawley. i think that's in essex. it's down south anyway. somewhere tonight on the show we've got belinda de lucy. she's a former mep . also got she's a former mep. also got denis macshane former labour mp who got my mom. your dad? reality tv contests stint. that's, uh, natalie russell also got former model and reality tv star. that's chloe goodman, the first. let's go to the .