to be back because delighted to be back because i do this show and i did miss do love this show and i did miss it over the last two weeks. so thank you to tom harwood for holding the fort so admirably as even holding the fort so admirably as ever. sure you're ever. now, as i'm sure you're aware, back aware, parliament is back tomorrow, we're going to come tomorrow, so we're going to come back a bang as well. we've back with a bang as well. we've got the for national got the office for national statistics revising own statistics revising its own figures which figures this week, which basically sort pouring some basically sort of pouring some cold the romaniacs, cold water on the romaniacs, saying broken saying that everything is broken since brexit. but in fact, the economy is nearly 2% bigger than they previously thought it. so is now the time for tax cuts.7 i'll be asking treasury minister gareth that . now gareth davies about that. now the concrete crisis schools across the country announcing that they won't be able to open their doors tomorrow because of what's inside what's been happening inside these buildings . as these crumbling buildings. as i'm be speaking the i'm going to be speaking to the shadow education secretary, bridget , to find out bridget phillipson, to find out what would about the what labour would do about the problem. mullin, who a problem. chris mullin, who is a labour mp for 23 years, is going to give us his take on keir starmer's i'm also starmer's leadership. i'm also going danny going to be speaking to danny kruger, breakaway kruger, leader of a breakaway group of tory mps. the new concern relatives who will tell me where he thinks his party has

gone and where it should gone wrong and where it should gone wrong and where it should go right order to win the go right in order to win the next general election. and of course, friday marks a year course, this friday marks a year since passing queen since the passing of queen elizabeth a way is elizabeth ii, which in a way is quite unbelievable that it's been a year already. going been a year already. i'm going to speaking to somebody who to be speaking to somebody who knew at knew her majesty very well at her secretary, elsa her former press secretary, elsa anderson. as ever, we've got anderson. so as ever, we've got a packed don't go a jam packed show. don't go anywhere. of all, a jam packed show. don't go any'through of all, a jam packed show. don't go any'through the of all, a jam packed show. don't go any'through the front)f all, a jam packed show. don't go any'through the front pages, a run through the front pages, a little of a mix of stories, little bit of a mix of stories, actually, as everyone has this kind of back to school vibe in the background everything the background of everything that they're reporting. the sunday telegraph with sunak sunday telegraph goes with sunak denies zero on new denies net zero ban on new airports and inside it's quite a kind of promising leader, leader column for the prime minister because it's basically saying yes, at last he's taking on the blob. the sunday times goes with the crisis and says the concrete crisis and says asbestos fears in crumbling buildings . asbestos fears in crumbling buildings. the observer also, of course, goes with that story being more left leaning. of course, the left wing newspapers are having a right go at the government about it and the observer is saying that they are revealing a culture of

complacency on school safety. and is suggestion that and this is the suggestion that actually the government's known for years this for quite a few years that this is problem waiting to happen. is a problem waiting to happen. the on sunday goes with the mail on sunday goes with tesco our staff need body tesco boss. our staff need body cameras and we've cameras to end attacks and we've been running that on our news bulletins this morning. sunday express well , this is a bold express well, this is a bold aim, i suppose , although it's aim, i suppose, although it's kind of repeating what the prime minister said his minister has already said in his five pledges. chancellor five point pledges. chancellor cost of living pledge all half inflation this year, quite keen to know from gareth davies whether he thinks the government is in control of inflation or whether actually the whether it's actually the bank of the sun on sunday of england. the sun on sunday goes with something completely different. kelly cheated tom different. kelly cheated on tom with me . the best, probably best with me. the best, probably best left really, because i think if we go into the love affairs of kelly brook and danny cipriani will probably need another show entirely to get through all that. sunday mirror mode hit that. the sunday mirror mode hit by hackers . and there's quite a by hackers. and there's quite a lot in the papers about the threat from particularly chinese hackers. let's bring patrick o'flynn conversation . o'flynn into the conversation. he's spectator columnist. he's

he's a spectator columnist. he's a former ukip mep. he's also my former colleague at the express group. back the day, patrick, group. back in the day, patrick, lovely to see you this morning. good morning. now crumbling britain is what we're entitling. this kind of section of the paper because look paper review because we'll look at page one talking at the times page one talking about now being about asbestos now being a problem. once the mail problem. once again, the mail page concrete crisis page six concrete crisis hospital won't treat 19 stone patients above ground level in case floors collapse. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yes there's sometimes there's moments in politics in the life of a nation where where the actual nitty gritty story seems to reflect a wider symbolism about the country going in the wrong direction. and that is often doom for a government when it happens. and i think most of the papers are picking up on on this idea of crumbling. yes, most manifest in the school concrete scandal and being sunday papers, they like to have their own particular spin on it. so the sunday times has has dredged up asbestos , you know, dredged up asbestos, you know, from a previous generation of scares and says, you know, a lot

of the buildings, school buildings included with this rat concrete and when that gets pred concrete and when that gets ripped out or replaced or falls down or whatever, there may well be riddled with asbest , too. so be riddled with asbest, too. so that's another layer of headaches. the mail on sunday, i think, kind of hits the real farcical nature. the national embarrassment of what's happening with this story that it hinching brook hospital in, i think cambridge shire. they have had to ban patients over 19 stone from going up above the ground floor because they're so worried about the strength or otherwise of their their. >> and they illustrate it with an image of the ceilings being propped up by steel girders , propped up by steel girders, which isn't the best look, is it. >> no, it doesn't speak to a modern dynamic country and all the other things that rishi sunak would like us to believe that are. that we are. >> i mean, do you think this is a kind of damaging symbol of tory rule over the last 13 years? i i think this is years? i mean, i think this is a historic problem that's been going generations, going on for many generations, to it does beg

to be honest. yes, it does beg the though, because the question, though, because crumbling been crumbling schools have been a story ever since i first story from ever since i first became journalist in became a journalist back in 2000. why on earth hasn't the 2000. so why on earth hasn't the government done anything about it? >> well, i suppose the government would argue that, you know, first came in, know, when they first came in, in the coalition, there was famously money think famously no money left. i think michael on cancelled michael gove early on cancelled a load of school building projects. it's just a sort of game of pass the parcel where a parcel with something unpleasant in it has landed on the lap of the incumbent government and the education secretary. it could equally have been labour , but equally have been labour, but you'll see now labour is pushing very much for the government to pubush very much for the government to publish a full nationwide list of every school and public building that's affected . they building that's affected. they may say they want to do that for reasons of public accountability and that's great. what they really are primarily motivated by trying to find stories for by is trying to find stories for every local election leaflet about people's schools and hospitals in their neighbourhoods and towns. and that could be, you know, a devastating new weapon. >> easy win for labour. all

this. let's just have a quick nod to the matt cartoon in the telegraph. i cut down ulez telegraph. i cut down the ulez camera and fall onto fell camera and it fall onto fell onto school is how matt onto the school roof is how matt has depicted this whole farrago in the sunday telegraph, which is quite funny. look you're talking policy there and talking about policy there and whether this back to school vibe thatis whether this back to school vibe that is currently taking hold in whether this back to school vibe thatwestminstertaking hold in whether this back to school vibe thatwestminster bubble,old in whether this back to school vibe thatwestminster bubble, itd in the westminster bubble, it should be about policy or whether it should actually be about election tim about election hearing tim shipman sunday times says shipman in the sunday times says britain adrift, ignoring schools and small boats. sunak and starmer focussed on looming starmer are focussed on looming election in seriously. patrick. we've got 12 months to go till the next election , if it even is the next election, if it even is when we think it's going to be next autumn. >> well, there's also the >> yes, well, there's also the point are the governing point if you are the governing party, you can't do electioneering very effectively. if all your main policies aren't working. so there's a bit of certainly from a governing perspective, policy is part of electioneering. but of course, the commons is back on monday. i think it is . ironically, they think it is. ironically, they they inhabit a falling down

building as well, but they seem to have whistled up a multi—billion pound budget to sort that one out. >> and also they found billions to pay for hs2. go figure. but anyway, absolutely. >> so tim shipman of the sunday times is one of the masters of the of the big sunday right through. and he's sort of done a scene setting piece for this this back to term . and it's sort this back to term. and it's sort of like the roller coaster is ratcheted up and we're about to descend into the rapid approach of an election, which i think almost certainly is going to be in october next year. i think he used a particularly phrase about rishi sunak . used a particularly phrase about rishi sunak. he refers to his bloodless , technocratic bloodless, technocratic leadership not cutting the mustard. and i think that's right. i think there's been a feeling over the last couple of weeks that people are underwhelmed, that the prime minister doesn't see the case for both of them. >> i mean, i'm just thinking about excited from a about am i excited from a journalistic perspective on this battle between oh so now can starmer? both of them

starmer? yeah both of them bloodless technocrats , aren't they? >>i they? >> i think they are , but >> i think they are, but actually that's much less of a problem now for starmer , because problem now for starmer, because if you think back to the last election, one of the key things that won it for the conservatives were people were really frightened. a lot of people were really frightened of the labour leadership . and so if the labour leadership. and so if we're this boring, we're into this boring, bloodless technocrat in era and the incumbent conservative, boring, technical that they've beenin boring, technical that they've been in for 13 plus years and it's not working , then having it's not working, then having don't have boring have this boring. >> yeah but boring but i think there's a growing feeling the conservatives probably don't deserve to win the next general election. >> and if labour are offering , >> and if labour are offering, you know, a sort of replacing , you know, a sort of replacing, at least they're not to blame for what's gone wrong in the last few years. >> we need to rattle through because as ever the case, of course we could talk forever. patrick time is of the essence. you were interested just very quickly, there's tory

quickly, the echr, there's tory infighting about whether we should it, whether should leave it, whether we should leave it, whether we should it. is ever should stay in it. as is ever the case. is that an election winning do think? winning issue, do you think? >> would be if the >> well, it would be if the conservatives were united. but the of left the tory reform group of left leaning mps basically leaning tory mps basically saying we're not going to support right. saying we're not going to supsot right. saying we're not going to supso toriesright. saying we're not going to supso tories aret. saying we're not going to supso tories are eating >> so tories are eating themselves no. talking >> so tories are eating themsthe s no. talking >> so tories are eating themsthe polling no. talking >> so tories are eating themsthe polling andio. talking >> so tories are eating themsthe polling and what.king >> so tories are eating themsthe polling and what the] about the polling and what the punters think. lord ashcroft's done this polling. one of the most interesting outcomes, which i mentioning earlier to i was mentioning earlier to stephen was the fact stephen and ann was the fact that people feel that they're paying that people feel that they're paying much tax for paying too much tax for declining absolutely. declining services. absolutely. that's i mean, they declining services. absolutely. that' asked i mean, they declining services. absolutely. that' asked the i mean, they declining services. absolutely. that' asked the public an, they declining services. absolutely. that' asked the public in they declining services. absolutely. that' asked the public in thisy were asked the public in this poll how of them thought poll how many of them thought that services, that the services, public services worse over the services had got worse over the past decade? 75% said they had. yes, that's devastating . yes, that's devastating. >> awful. absolutely devastating. including tories, by the way. and in old days, by the way. and in the old days, in kind of gentler, perhaps in the kind of gentler, perhaps more days, polls more prosperous days, the polls used show that a lot of used to show that a lot of people at least saying they'd be prepared to pay tax. well prepared to pay more tax. well people obviously feel over taxed as the amount as well, because the amount of people saying that should people saying that taxes should go very , very low. go up is very, very low. >> people who to pay >> these people who want to pay more it's like, well, you

more tax, it's like, well, you can now if you can pay more tax now if you like, know, go down to hmrc, like, you know, go down to hmrc, go like, you know, go down to hmrc, 9° pay like, you know, go down to hmrc, go pay some tax. be my guest. >> it's don't make the rest of us know exactly . us know exactly. >> it's interesting to see david blunkett speaking in the telegraph to my colleague gordon raynen telegraph to my colleague gordon rayner, basically rayner, and he's basically saying labour a saying labour will need a miracle to get an overall majority. agree that majority. do you agree with that analysis? not analysis? he's saying it's not 92, 97, it's 1964. 92, it's not 97, it's 1964. >> yes. and in 64 they just scraped over the line after a long spell of tory government. i think it's a necessary corrective on the labour side , corrective on the labour side, they only have about 200 seats, so they need to win about 130 seats. the vast majority of them off the tories in england. so it is a it's a mountain to climb. but on the other hand there are all these factors running against the conservatives . so against the conservatives. so i think is slightly the think blunkett is slightly the doom and gloom thing. it probably may be managing expectations. i think that that might not be a bad thing. from starmer's point of view. >> a bit later in the show i'm going to be speaking to chris mullins, who is the author of a very british coup, and he's now

done another diaries, a long standing labour probably standing labour mp, probably much left of much more to the left of blunkett, going ask blunkett, but i'm going to ask him that him whether he thinks that starmer going to be the starmer is ever going to be the next blair, and i think he's probably going to conclude no, no. speak about no. let's speak about a completely different just completely different story just as moment. we've as a light final moment. we've had lined it happy as harry prince harry appears in the sun on sunday and other newspapers. a but not a beyonce concert, but not looking particularly overwhelmed by the soulstress singing no . by the soulstress singing no. >> and, you know, sometimes people get caught at a bad angle momentarily, but he's got his handsin momentarily, but he's got his hands in his pockets and he seems in quite dour mode . seems in quite dour mode. >> and that's in some of the papers. and it also in some of the papers today is a picture of prince charles at the height, prince charles at the height, prince charles, king charles at the highland games, revelling in it. is a really it. and it is a really interesting contrast . you know, interesting contrast. you know, who's person who's looking who's the person who's looking at ease with his life . charles, at ease with his life. charles, who wasn't always obviously , and who wasn't always obviously, and who wasn't always obviously, and who is the person who doesn't look happy and maybe now pondenng look happy and maybe now pondering about some of the actions he's taken over the last

couple of years, it's a fairly miserable looking prince harry. >> i mean, it's interesting that as well, we're going to be marking the first anniversary of the queen's death, i can't the queen's death, which i can't believe is on friday. believe patrick is on friday. >> i mean, that year has gone so quickly. also, when you look quickly. and also, when you look back that's back to everything that's happened sort of like happened in megxit, sort of like i trying to work out. well, i was trying to work out. well, hang when was netflix hang on. when was the netflix documentary and when did spare come of course, they come out? and of course, they were beginning this were at the beginning of this yeah were at the beginning of this year. actually, how do you year. so actually, how do you think kings fared? i'm going think the kings fared? i'm going to be asking elsa anderson, who's press who's the queen's former press secretary, all these questions a bit later show, but do bit later in the show, but do you think he's had a good year? >> yeah, i think so far, so good. you would probably say if you being ultra critical. you were being ultra critical. there's no single amazing there's been no single amazing success. terms of success. but in terms of stabilising things after such an success. but in terms of stabireign things after such an success. but in terms of stabireign of ings after such an success. but in terms of stabireign of his; after such an success. but in terms of stabireign of his mother,jch an success. but in terms of stabireign of his mother, veryn good. >> all right, patrick o'flynn, thank very much joining thank you very much for joining me morning. me this morning. now, ordinarily, going go ordinarily, we were going to go to forster, is in to catherine forster, who is in nadine dorries, old patch of mid beds, having a bit a problem beds, having a bit of a problem with line there. so i'm with the line there. so i'm hoping do have on the hoping that we do have on the line minister gareth hoping that we do have on the line who minister gareth hoping that we do have on the line who iminister gareth hoping that we do have on the line who i think er gareth hoping that we do have on the

line who i think er joining davies, who i think is joining me remotely. gareth are you there? you hear me ? hello mr there? can you hear me? hello mr davies thank you very much for joining me this morning. thank you for bringing your interview a we a little bit forward. so we could you about the could chat to you about the economic look, you must economic picture. look, you must be by these ons be delighted by these ons figures giving much more figures giving a much more positive of the british positive view of the british economy. but of course, the inevitable question going inevitable question is going to be asked, don't you cut be asked, why don't you cut taxes then ? taxes then? >> well, great to be with you. and thanks for having me on. i think you're right. this is really positive news that the ons have uplifted the figures for gdp , showing that the uk for gdp, showing that the uk grew faster out of the pandemic than any country in europe . than any country in europe. obviously, this is a revision and we welcome that, but we're focussed on the future and that's why we're bearing down on inflation. we're investing in our economy and ensuring that we can stimulate more business investment . but we are very investment. but we are very clear that the number one priority, as i say , is bearing priority, as i say, is bearing down on inflation because that's

the biggest tax that we can cut. it affects every single person in this country, every business, every body is struggling with it. we've got to tackle that first. and of course, we want to bnng first. and of course, we want to bring down taxes eventually, but it doesn't come, you know, before sound money. >> isn't it a major problem >> but isn't it a major problem for a tory government that the taxpayer doesn't think they're getting good value for money with being burdened the with being burdened with the highest taxes since the second world and the same time, world war? and at the same time, we've got polling carried out by lord ashcroft, who's obviously got conservative got links to the conservative party in mail on sunday. and party in the mail on sunday. and when whether think when asked whether they think pubuc when asked whether they think public declined in public services have declined in the decade. so that's the last decade. so that's completely under tory rule 75% say yes, that's a indictment of conservatism , isn't it? over the conservatism, isn't it? over the past decade ? past decade? >> well, i think the figures show that public services have performed well. i think we all remember the service that the nhs provided us through the pandemic. it was second to none education standards have increased significantly since 2010. and on taxes , we've

2010. and on taxes, we've brought about 3 million people out of tax altogether. by increasing the thresholds, we still have the lowest corporation tax in the g7, and we've got one of the most generous tax allowance, corporate tax allowances in the oecd. so it's on us actually, camilla, to go on shows like this and communicate what we've done.the this and communicate what we've done. the success that we've achieved. but let's communicate honestly. >> please, minister, because at the same time, we've got 7.5 people nhs waiting lists. people on nhs waiting lists. we've got a national audit office report which has found that 700,000 school pupils may be learning in a building that is crumbling. so it's not going particularly well. what are you going to do about these crumbling schools? why won't you produce a comprehensive list so that parents can know whether their children are studying in a safe environment and that the roof isn't going to cave in on them ? them? >> well, protecting children and staff in schools is obviously a paramount priority. and that's why the education secretary has

acted so swiftly on new evidence that has emerged during the summer and as recent as last week, we have been very proactively engaged on this for the past few years. every one of the past few years. every one of the 22,500 schools has been surveyed and sent questionnaires to determine where risk exists . to determine where risk exists. that has determined that 156 schools out of the 22,500 have confirmed react. 52 of those action has already been taken and mitigation has, as has already been actioned , 104. already been actioned, 104. we've now decided that we advise the bodies responsible for those institutions to vacate while mitigations can take place. so obviously, this is incredibly serious. it's very concerning. but most most people in this country will not be affected by this parent, will be told by their schools first and foremost, whether their impact if parents watching this have not heard from their schools by the opening of schools, they

should proceed to the school as normal. that's been our priority. the education secretary will be making a statement, though , later this statement, though, later this week in the house of commons. >> and yet we hear from an investigation by schools week that the government knew that this was a problem back in 2018. so why have you been so late to act? why are we now in a situation where parents are not able to send their children into school this week because their classrooms aren't safe ? if well, classrooms aren't safe? if well, like i said , the vast majority like i said, the vast majority of schools will not be impacted even where they have confirmed cases of rack, it is unlikely that schools will have to close, although inevitably some will. >> this could be as small as a one room, by the way. it could be a boiler room in an outbuilding . we're taking it on outbuilding. we're taking it on a case by case building. so it's not the case that all face to face lessons will be cancelled . face lessons will be cancelled. that's not the case. and we're providing financial support to ensure mitigations are in ensure that mitigations are in place. terms of when we knew place. in terms of when we knew what this is, obviously material

that was installed in the 1960s and 80s and from the 1990s success of governments have known about the risk and have managed those risks in that time. experts have evolved their advice in 2018, we issued guidance to schools to say that they should have contingency measures in place for short nofice measures in place for short notice vacation if they have rack in 2022. we surveyed 22,500 schools to determine where that rack was, and we've acted on that immediately. this is in contrast, by the way, to most countries around the world, but includes labour run wales, who have failed to do this. they failed to survey their schools to determine where rack exists. and so they're going to have to catch up very quickly with what we've been doing in england. and that's a really important point to make. that's a really important point to rwell, having said that, mr >> well, having said that, mr davies, why then, if you're so well prepared and you're ahead of this curve, you of this curve, are you announcing two days before announcing this two days before school start, what on earth do you expect parents to do with

regard childcare ? and regard to childcare? and equally, wouldn't you be quite worried kind of worried with the kind of opaqueness around this list, this mystical list that the government seems unlikely to ever publish? if you've got children at a state school and there's now also talk, by the way, about an asbestos problem, we've got another story in the mail on sunday about a hospital in which in cambridgeshire, which is having up the ceiling. having to prop up the ceiling. you'd worried sending infants you'd be worried sending infants into that environment, wouldn't you ? well, of course, as a you? well, of course, as a parent, you want to know that your children are safe. >> and as i say, the vast majority of schools will not be impacted by this. those that are impacted by this. those that are impacted , it will likely not impacted, it will likely not lead to the school being closed. there will be mitigations in place to maintain face to face lessons in terms of why. now, obviously , we, you know, a few obviously, we, you know, a few days before the opening of term, thatis days before the opening of term, that is not something we would have chosen. this is based on very new advice as as late as last week where previous determined not uncritical in the

in the words of a surveyor, non—critical all rack existence . this has failed. and on that basis, we changed the advice to those bodies that are responsible for local authorities and academy trusts who are responsible for building maintenance. our advice changed out of an abundance of caution because children are involved to say , you know what, let's vacate say, you know what, let's vacate any case where risk exists so that we can get the surveyors in, determine how safe they are, have a case by case risk assessment. most will not be impacted at all in this country, but it is absolutely right that we do this as inconvenient as it is . and by the way, if this is. and by the way, if this happened during term time, we would make exactly the same decision. so it is incredibly inconvenient, but hopefully parents understand and that parents can understand and that while most are not impacted , while most are not impacted, those that are it is inconvenient . but we're putting inconvenient. but we're putting safety let's go back to safety first. let's go back to economic matters. safety first. let's go back to eco obviously, ters. safety first. let's go back to eco obviously, because that's >> obviously, because that's your your brief. now, we've heard chancellor jeremy heard from chancellor jeremy hunt that he's basically

hunt saying that he's basically ruled out cutting taxes before the end of the year. so we're not to expect anything in the autumn statement. we then have michael your colleague, michael gove, your colleague, talking the government talking about how the government should burden from should shift the burden from income to wealth. he free income to wealth. is he free lancing? is he on to something? there >> well, michael is one of our most respected and experienced cabinet ministers but i would just point out that we have a very progressive tax system in this country. i think the top 5% of earners pay about 50% of the tax revenue . and this is in line tax revenue. and this is in line with most g7 countries in terms of broader taxation, obviously, we want taxes to come down, but as i say, we stick to our principles that you've got to put sound money first. when debt is rising, significant on the back of a pandemic and energy crisis, we've got to pay that down. there's no point borrowing to cut taxes when we're paying significant amount of interest . significant amount of interest. obviously, as conservatives, we want taxes down. i would

want to get taxes down. i would just point out that even when taxes increased , such as taxes have increased, such as the corporation rise , it's the corporation tax rise, it's still the lowest in the g7 even. and we've put in place mitigations such as tax allowances, so that the effective tax rate that businesses pay is still very competitive on the international stage. >> yet at the same time that polling by ashcroft , when the polling by ashcroft, when the pubucis polling by ashcroft, when the public is asked who they associate with low taxes, they don't say the tories anymore. they say labour . well we accept they say labour. well we accept that taxes are higher than we want them to be. >> we want taxes to come down. but let's be, you know, clear about things their only going to go one way under labour. they have made a significant amount multi billions of pounds of commitments of spending. where are to get that from are they going to get that from ? going to have raise ? they've going to have to raise taxes they enter downing taxes if they enter downing street at the next. >> so you're comfortable having lost your low tax? tory status . lost your low tax? tory status. >> i would argue that we are still low tax and internationally competitive , but

internationally competitive, but we are always looking at ways of bringing it down. but we are the party of responsible, sustainable finances first. well you can trust us with your taxpayer money not to be paying too much debt interest at the expense of something else . expense of something else. >> well, you say about being internationally competitive . internationally competitive. funnily enough, i was travelling through airport yesterday funnily enough, i was travelling througwas airport yesterday funnily enough, i was travelling througwas able airport yesterday funnily enough, i was travelling througwas able to jort yesterday funnily enough, i was travelling througwas able to cash esterday funnily enough, i was travelling througwas able to cash interday funnily enough, i was travelling througwas able to cash in oniay funnily enough, i was travelling througwas able to cash in on the and i was able to cash in on the fact that, of course, now we're out the eu. i can buy duty out of the eu. i can buy duty free shopping at the airport and i may or may not have purchased something on my way something for myself on my way back to the gb news studio . so back to the gb news studio. so now, course, if you're now, of course, if you're shopping can't shopping in london, you can't benefit from duty free shopping, which is a disaster for businesses in london, isn't it. >> well, we keep all taxes under review, as you would expect , but review, as you would expect, but in that particular case, the evidence that we've seen is that it has actually a minimal impact on sales in london. you just have to walk around london this summer to see how many tourists that we have. it is thriving. so

we keep all taxes under review. >> all right, gareth davies, thank you very much for joining me. please stay tuned because up next, we'll have bridget phillipson, education phillipson, the shadow education secretary. very soon. secretary. see you very soon. >> the temperature's rising on boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good morning to you. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. there is a bit of mist and fog around first thing this morning. it's formed underneath this of high pressure this area of high pressure that's winds relatively that's keeping winds relatively light, is certainly light, but it is certainly windier towards northern windier up towards northern scotland trailing scotland with this trailing frontal that's providing frontal feature that's providing outbreaks heavy rain frontal feature that's providing outisle ks heavy rain frontal feature that's providing outisle of heavy rain frontal feature that's providing outisle of lewis, heavy rain frontal feature that's providing outisle of lewis, the heavy rain frontal feature that's providing outisle of lewis, the highlands for isle of lewis, the highlands and the northern isles. first thing, the rain easing off a touch we head towards touch as we head towards lunchtime. persisting lunchtime. but gales persisting here in those lighter here elsewhere in those lighter winds, the mist and fog will eventually clear its way off and there'll be plenty sunshine there'll be plenty of sunshine to and feeling pleasantly to be had and feeling pleasantly warm that climbing warm in that as well. climbing to of 26 c in the to highs of 26 c in the southeast. but even 23 possible across eastern scotland as well

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gb news. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. now don't go anywhere because i'm going to be joined by bridget phillipson, the shadow education secretary, in just minute. after schools in just a minute. after schools up down the country this up and down the country this week announced they won't week announced that they won't be welcome back, week announced that they won't be days welcome back, week announced that they won't be days beforeyme back, week announced that they won't be days before the back, week announced that they won't be days before the start back, week announced that they won't be days before the start of:k, just days before the start of term stay for that after term stay tuned for that after the news with ray addison .

the news with ray addison. thanks, camilla. >> it's 10 am. our top stories this hour. parents are being told classroom closures due to crumbling concrete fears are not a to return the dark days of school lockdowns . writing in the school lockdowns. writing in the sun on sunday, education secretary gillian keegan said the government had no choice but to order the full or partial closure of more than 100 schools and colleges . labour is planning and colleges. labour is planning to force a vote to compel the prime minister to publish a list of all of the schools at risk. kevin maher is a former labour adviser . he kevin maher is a former labour adviser. he told us the tory government was warned but failed to act it. >> you know, it's kind of totemic of a government that's beenin totemic of a government that's been in power for a very long time that's running out of life force, if i can put it like that. and it's own policies are catching up with it. so decisions that should have been made by previous secretaries of state made . and it's state weren't made. and it's landed the gillian landed at the door of gillian keegan, who's current keegan, who's the current secretary for secretary of state for education. she doesn't education. but if she doesn't get grip very, quickly of get a grip very, very quickly of this not going to

this issue, she's not going to have to worry concrete have to worry about concrete beams. have to beams. she's going to have to worry about concrete boots because be out at the because she'll be out at the next reshuffle. because she'll be out at the nexthe;huffle. because she'll be out at the nexthe chancellor has renewed because she'll be out at the nexpledgeancellor has renewed because she'll be out at the nexpledge to ellor has renewed because she'll be out at the nexpledge to halve1as renewed because she'll be out at the nexpledge to halve inflation,ad his pledge to halve inflation, saying it's time to see the job through. speaking ahead of the next england next bank of england announcement on september 21st, jeremy hunt insisted the government's on track to reach the target. this year. labour is accusing him of being completely out of touch the realities out of touch with the realities face out by families across the country . it comes as the latest country. it comes as the latest figures show the uk economy recovered from the pandemic faster than expected and the boss of tesco is urging the government to make abuse or violence towards retail workers an offence . writing in the mail an offence. writing in the mail on sunday, chief executive ken murphy said he's been forced to increase security measures and offer staff body cams as physical assaults against tesco. workers have risen by a third over the past year. he says that's unacceptable and described the impact on staff as

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by saying play gb news. now let's get straight back to . camilla >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show and i'll be joined by danny kruger, the tory mp who's leading a new conservative movement in the party in just a moment. but first of all, let's cross now to shadow education secretary bridget phillipson, who will give us labour's view on this concrete crisis. ms phillipson, i hope hear phillipson, i hope you can hear me. lovely speak to you. it's me. lovely to speak to you. it's the first time you've come on the first time you've come on the i'm delighted to the show, so i'm delighted to have what's your have you. i mean, what's your reaction been to what's been happening schools last happening in schools the last minute closures? minute nature of these closures? i that you have your own i know that you have your own school aged children me and school aged children like me and that schools. that they attend state schools. are worried going are you worried about them going into classroom this week? into the classroom this week? >> i'm pleased that children >> no, i'm pleased that children are returning to school, including my own it's including my own children. it's really that get really important that they get back to their learning, but i appreciate that lots of parents across be across the country will be concerned because , sadly, many concerned because, sadly, many children not to going be children are not to going be able to return to education or will moved into portacabins

will be moved into portacabins or accommodation or alternative accommodation because the risk that this because of the risk that this kind of crumbling concrete is going it all feels very going to pose. it all feels very last minute and what we're calling on the government to do is to publish a full list of all of schools affected so that of the schools affected so that parents be confident about parents can be confident about where are. and if where the problems are. and if they're prepared to do that, they're not prepared to do that, we a vote in we will force a vote in parliament this week to make it happen. >> and are you that the >> and are you worried that the government rather government has been rather trying to cover up how many schools see schools are affected? we see reports in the newspapers this morning also morning that there's also hospitals there's now morning that there's also hospfears there's now morning that there's also hospfears over there's now morning that there's also hospfears over asbestos. 's now morning that there's also hospfears over asbestos. there's new fears over asbestos. there's the suggestion perhaps this the suggestion perhaps that this concrete in other concrete has been used in other pubuc concrete has been used in other public buildings that may again, put at risk . put public safety at risk. >> i am concerned that we don't yet know the full extent of all of this. there are reports that engineers are being sent into schools to do further assessments around the condition . so i think it is important that the bottom of all that we get to the bottom of all of this. but, you know, this comes back sticking plasters comes back to sticking plasters really. course, know, really. of course, you know, it's government it's right that the government put mitigations to keep put in place mitigations to keep children safe. but of

children safe. but one of the first actions incoming first actions of an incoming conservative government 2010 conservative government in 2010 was to cancel school was to cancel labour's school rebuilding here rebuilding programme. and here we 13 years on, and the we are 13 years on, and the chickens have come home to roost. >> i mean, at the same time, you might say to be fair, this might say that to be fair, this has been historic problem. has been a historic problem. i remember i first started remember when i first started out journalism covering these out in journalism covering these sorts of stories, they also happened blair's happened under blair's leadership perhaps leadership historically, perhaps successive governments simply have enough to have not done enough to reinforce the school estate at. >> well, the last labour government had a major school rebuilding programme and it was the conservatives who cancelled that plan we had. that would have meant that every single secondary england secondary school in england would or would have been rebuilt or significantly been refurbished by 2020. so if that had happened , we wouldn't be having this same conversation now about some of those secondary schools that are going be are sadly not going to be reopening reopening fully as reopening or reopening fully as planned week. but alongside planned this week. but alongside that, you know, many of the schools in question have a have a length of time that the schools were intended to be built they've long built for. they they've long since that natural life. since passed that natural life.

and it is, frankly and i think it is, frankly negligent government negligent that the government have and cut the have time and again cut the funding for school rebuilding. but alongside that have just failed consistently to be upfront about the scale of the challenge we face. i've been raising this with ministers for months months , months and months and months, and known for a very and they've known for a very long about the for long time about the need for action. so think this last action. so i think this last minute scramble really should action. so i think this last minu been amble really should action. so i think this last minu been avoided. ally should action. so i think this last minu been avoided. ally sh0|fair have been avoided. it's not fair for and it's certainly for parents and it's certainly not fair for school leaders who are everything are trying to get everything back and running at the start back up and running at the start of the new term, although according to ifs , one according to the ifs, one particular proposal will particular labour proposal will should power come the should you take power come the next general election. >> proposal scrap the >> this proposal to scrap the tax breaks afforded to private schools could end costing the schools could end up costing the taxpayer money. the ifs has concluded that it may push 40,000 private school pupils into state schools. you've already raised issues about classrooms being overcrowded , so classrooms being overcrowded, so i'd be interested to know how you'd solve that problem, but also that the policy could cost the taxpayer £300 million. are you rethinking this policy? it sounds to some, like the

politics of envy. ms phillipson no, it's about making sure that we're investing in our state schools where the vast majority of children go to school. >> the independent institute for fiscal studies concluded that labour's to end the tax labour's plans to end the tax breaks that private schools enjoy that would raise between 1.3 £1.5 billion a year. 1.3 to £1.5 billion a year. i think that is a considerable sum of money. we would use that money deliver more teachers money to deliver more teachers into better into our classrooms, better mental for our mental health support for our children, high rising children, and high and rising standards in all of our state schools. i see no good reason why private schools continue to enjoy breaks , and i enjoy these tax breaks, and i hope the chancellor might at some act and end some point decide to act and end those breaks we can those tax breaks so that we can prioritise state education. and that's what labour government that's what a labour government would now . would be doing right now. >> you find classroom >> how will you find classroom spaces for 40,000 new kids in state schools ? state schools? >> well, the ifs recognised that overall net the changes to tax breaks would raise 1.3 to 1.5 billion. so it will be raising considerable sums of money actually. alongside that, we're seeing demographic shift. that

means there will be ample space for any children, but it's a lot of the private schools who scaremongering some scaremongering around some of this. don't accept . what this. i just don't accept. what do mean? sorry, running do you mean? sorry, running up their costs year on year beyond? well, private schools have well, the private schools have been year been putting up their fees year on beyond inflation. i on year beyond inflation. i think they've got the scope to cut a bit here. >> and what you mean by >> and what do you mean by sorry, policy will raise sorry, this policy will raise money? you mean by money? what do you mean by demographic which demographic shifts, which mean that you're to have more that you're going to have more spaces schools ? we've the spaces in schools? we've had the labour for the labour party banging on for the last 13 years about lack of last 13 years about a lack of classroom so how are you classroom space. so how are you going accommodate 40,000 odd going to accommodate 40,000 odd kids from private to kids switching from private to state? can't build schools state? you can't build schools that quickly, can you ? well that quickly, can you? well sadly, in large parts of the country, schools are beginning to close because we're seeing fewer young people arriving at secondary school. >> there are fewer young people of age. but of secondary school age. but actually was very clear actually the ifs was very clear that what we had that it endorsed what we had said the revenue that said around the revenue that could raised. and it's could be raised. and it's achievable. we know we can do could be raised. and it's acii'mable. we know we can do could be raised. and it's acii'm confident now we can do could be raised. and it's acii'm confident we/ we can do could be raised. and it's acii'm confident we can can do could be raised. and it's acii'm confident we can do1 do could be raised. and it's acii'm confident we can do it.o it. i'm confident we can do it. we will do it because we need to put money into state

education. >> but what about parental choice? you do choice? i mean, you do appreciate everybody appreciate that not everybody that children to that sends their children to a private school driving into private school is driving into the in a rolls royce. the car park in a rolls royce. what just about what about the just about managing who have chosen managing those who have chosen private education over state and then going to clobbered with then going to be clobbered with school probably school fees that are probably going 25% higher and going to be 25% higher and therefore completely unaffordable? labour not unaffordable? does labour not represent those sorts of constituent parts ? constituent parts? >> i'll never criticise individual parents for wanting to do what's right and best by their children. of course, i think parental choice is incredibly important, but actually for the vast majority of parents, including middle class parents, private schools are way beyond their reach. i mean, the average fee is in the region of £15,000 per year per child. that is beyond most people. and private schools have put up their fees way above inflation on year. so inflation year on year. so actually, think most parents actually, i think most parents would want a secretary of state that's prioritising funding and resources and standards in our state schools. i mean, that's where of children are. where 93% of children are. that's my priority. >> david blunkett, who i think

you'll agree, knows quite a lot about schools, but also about labour an labour politics, has given an interview sunday interview to the sunday telegraph he telegraph today where he basically labour would basically says that labour would need to win the next need a miracle to win the next general election. has he got that wrong ? that wrong? >> i agree. it's a tall order, not least coming off the back of such a big defeat in 2019. but i'm confident that under keir starmer we're looking outwards to the country. we're setting out the change that a labour government would we're government would deliver. we're not about that. not complacent about that. there's time to go there's still a long time to go until the election, it until the election, whenever it comes. i tell you that comes. but i tell you that general election cannot come soon enough. people crying soon enough. people are crying out for change and this government just lingering on out for change and this govepeople just lingering on out for change and this govepeople areiust lingering on out for change and this govepeople are really|gering on and people are really struggling. i think the struggling. so i think the british people should decide. >> and equally though, he doesn't too enthused doesn't seem to be too enthused by starmer or indeed need the cabinet which belong . he cabinet to which you belong. he talks the glory days talks about the glory days of robin cook and margaret beckett and so—called and says and so—called knowns and says that unfortunately the current shadow just isn't shadow cabinet just isn't recognised enough to the public. is fair criticism ? is that a fair criticism? >> i have the utmost respect for david, and i've spent quite a

lot of time with him talking about how he transformed education in 1997 when he was education secretary so i've got i'll happily take advice and support from david on all of those issues. but of course, yes, absolutely. we've still got a job of work to do in communicating our message to the pubuc communicating our message to the public and getting there and public and getting out there and showing we're showing people that we're on their but take me their side. but if you take me back to where we were in 2019 after that devastating defeat, you worst we'd you know, the worst that we'd ever since since ever experienced since the since the 30s and said to me now that we would turned the party we would have turned the party around be looking around and we'd be looking outwards country, outwards to the country, then i'm i would have i'm not sure i would have believed so we've made believed you. so we've made enormous i completely enormous progress. i completely accept to do accept that there is more to do when communicating it. that's why this morning. why i'm here this morning. speaking telling speaking to you, telling you about labour about the difference a labour government breakfast government would make. breakfast clubs , cutting clubs in our schools, cutting the of school uniform, the cost of school uniform, more teachers classrooms. teachers in our classrooms. we've to say and we've got a lot to say and i really look forward to the chance to make that argument in a election. a general election. >> how widespread you >> ian, how widespread do you think starmer's reshuffle think keir starmer's reshuffle will be week? an unkind will be this week? an unkind labour has described labour source has described john healey tame to take healey as quote too tame to take

on grant shapps as defence secretary. will the likes of mr healey his will he be healey keep his job? will he be out? you like see out? who would you like to see back the cabinet? shadow cabinet? >> you'll understand that these are all matters. sure you'll understand that these are all matters for keir as leader of our party. so i'm not going to be getting into any speculation about about names or anything of that matters for that kind. these are matters for keir and we're all of us, both those of us on the front bench and those of us on the back benches where focussed on making sure that we're in a strong position election position going into the election so can deliver the so that we can deliver the change people desperately so that we can deliver the changto people desperately so that we can deliver the changto see. people desperately want to see. >> couple more final questions >> a couple more final questions for you. ms phillipson. i wondered what you made penny wondered what you made of penny mordaunt suggestion that young people compulsory people should do compulsory national . national service. >> i've yet to . i'm not >> i've yet to. i'm not convinced about that. i think i want young people to have opportunities to engage in volunteering skills, taking part in their community. lots of young people already do that, whether that's through the duke of edinburgh award, through scouts. there's a whole range of ways that young people

contribute suit to our society. i'm i've not been persuaded by that. not clear that. and i'm not quite clear what plan she's setting what the full plan she's setting out involve. out would involve. >> very briefly, sadiq >> and very briefly, is sadiq khan's going to cost you khan's ulez going to cost you votes in london, as was the case with the uxbridge byelection ? with the uxbridge byelection? >> i accept the need to take action and make sure that we've got clean air. i think the challenge has been making sure that people are supported during this cost of living crisis. and that's why sadiq is rightly that's why sadiq khan is rightly put place additional measures put in place additional measures around the around scrappage. but the government they've around scrappage. but the goverr local they've around scrappage. but the goverr local authoritiesthey've around scrappage. but the goverr local authorities to ey've around scrappage. but the goverr local authorities to put�* asked local authorities to put in place these kinds of plans and got brass and now they've got the brass neck complain about it. neck to complain about it. >> you very much, bridget >> thank you very much, bridget phillipson , joining this phillipson, for joining me this morning. to speak morning. lovely to speak to you. thank i'm joined in the thank you. now i'm joined in the studio danny kruger. he's the studio by danny kruger. he's the tory mp for devizes. he's the co—leader of the new conservatives group and he's author a book, covenant author of a new book, covenant the politics of home, the new politics of home, neighbourhood nation. neighbourhood and nation. danny, thank forjoining thank you very much for joining me now, i'm me this morning. now, i'm intrigued because obviously you're in this book, you're saying in this book, what's wrong britain? but what's wrong with britain? but i'd like to know what kind of society like to

society would you like to create? would you like to create? what would you like to see change? >> thanks that. well, i mean >> thanks for that. well, i mean , my view we face a huge , my view is we face a huge number threats in the west number of threats in the west generally and in the uk generally, and in the uk specifically, and they long specifically, and they are long term threats largely driven by technology the changes in technology and the changes in our society and our economy and we feel very precarious . i our society and our economy and we feel very precarious. i think that's driving a lot of the politics of the west at the moment, people feeling very nervous about all of nervous about all sorts of different threats, system nervous about all sorts of differenteconomic;ystem nervous about all sorts of differenteconomic threats, threats, economic threats, cultural ecological cultural threats, ecological threats. arbitrary threats. miller arbitrary threats, course, well. so threats, of course, as well. so the question is, how strong is our state strong is our our state and how strong is our society? what argue for in society? and what i argue for in my new book is that we need to think about the conditions in which people behave well towards each it's right for each other. it's not right for the come in and try and the state to come in and try and fix every problem. in retrospect, after it's developed, thinking developed, we should be thinking about as government but about not just as government but as how nurture the as a society, how we nurture the virtues, values, the virtues, the values, the behaviours, habits , behaviours, the habits, relationships us relationships that make us strong . and those quite strong. and those are quite traditional institutions, in my strong. and those are quite tradit their institutions, in my strong. and those are quite tradit their families,�*|s, in my strong. and those are quite tradit their families, their my view, their families, their neighbourhoods and their nations and in my view, brexit and the

2019 election that we won so convincingly was a call from the public, not just to take back control from brussels, but for a reset in our politics and the way that we organise ourselves and there was a demand for significant change. and of course we delivered that with brexit and all credit to the government in 2019 2020 for doing that. i think given events government in 2019 2020 for doingcovid,i think given events government in 2019 2020 for doingcovid, ukraine iven events government in 2019 2020 for doingcovid, ukraine economicts since covid, ukraine economic challenge, i think the public are now asking where's the real change that we demanded last time round? and that's what the group of new conservative mps, we call ourselves that because we call ourselves that because we elected since the we were all elected since the brexit referendum. and stand we were all elected since the brethiseferendum. and stand we were all elected since the brethis realignment nd stand we were all elected since the brethis realignment in stand we were all elected since the brethis realignment in our stand for this realignment in our politics, a reorientation of government back towards the values and interests of the values and the interests of the british away from the british people away from the metropolitan concerns of the london establishment. what we're calling for is an attempt by what we think the government should be doing is to is reassembling that coalition of voters who put us into power in 2019, which include places like i represent in wiltshire, the traditional of tory traditional base of the tory party. also these small c

party. but also these small c conservative voters who used to vote labour voted for us last time because want change time because they want change and don't think can yet say and i don't think we can yet say i think we've still got time to do it. i think the public is do it. but i think the public is still crying out for the change that they demanded last time round. think the >> do you think the conservatives are sort of lost touch with family values and family policies? family orientated policies? >> that family >> well, my view is that family is foundation of a healthy is the foundation of a healthy society. traditional society. i'm pretty traditional about think that about that. i don't think that means government be means that government should be prescriptive about means that government should be presypeople about means that government should be presypeople should about means that government should be presypeople should live about means that government should be presypeople should live their ut how people should live their lives that's whole that's lives. that's the whole that's the what we want. lives. that's the whole that's the want what we want. lives. that's the whole that's the want people what we want. lives. that's the whole that's the want people t01at we want. lives. that's the whole that's the want people to take e want. we want people to take responsibility themselves, responsibility for themselves, not around by not be bossed around by government. but i do think government. but i do think government should be incentives causing the behaviour that most people want to follow themselves. to get themselves. they want to get married, stay married, bring their kids up well, be able to look after their elderly parents. these are all the natural impulses of society and yet , because government is so yet, because government is so determined to not moralise, not to not to try and influence people or rather to in fact to respond to the choices that people are making, we have a system in which we are we

incentivise family break up. we give money to people, to give more money to people, to families put their old families who put their old elderly parents into a residential home rather than keep them at home with themselves. make it easier to themselves. we make it easier to break up. we pay people to send their young people to go away far away to university rather than stay close to home. we are essentially incentivising the dissolution family, not dissolution of the family, not because that. because we're trying to do that. it's well meaning it's just that, well meaning government policy is having, i think, negative on think, a negative effect on family life. >> but then you talk about the government moralising and at government not moralising and at the time you say, and the same time you say, and i quote, the safest quote, marriage is the safest and place for sex. so what and best place for sex. so what are you saying, that people shouldn't have sex before marriage? >> i don't think government should that should be moralising on that topic. i'm talking generally about should about what the culture should say. and my point in that section of book is to say, section of the book is to say, i think we should be encouraging our children to think about monogamy, about the monogamy, think about the importance of marriage, of staying faithful and i worry staying faithful and i do worry about the of sexual about the sort of sexual disarray young people are disarray that young people are in the moment. and i don't in at the moment. and i don't think it's happy when think it's a happy scene when you what do you say sexual disarray, what do you mean?

>> confusion over gender? >> with confusion over gender? >> with confusion over gender? >> well, that's reflect that's a reflection our our failure to reflection of our our failure to essentially tell our young people, tell our children how they're supposed to live as they grow up and how they're supposed to relate to the opposite sex. and i think we're in a state of we're reaping whirlwind of we're reaping the whirlwind of a cultural revolution that took place when we were younger in the 60s, 70s and 80s, when an intellectuals basically told everyone, it doesn't matter how you live, and it's all down to you live, and it's all down to you what you care for and you and what you care for and wish matters more than the wish for matters more than the inherited understandings our inherited understandings of our society and you matter more than your i think society and you matter more than your the i think society and you matter more than your the great i think society and you matter more than your the great mistake think society and you matter more than your the great mistake we've that's the great mistake we've made in our lifetimes. >> then you think about your >> but then you think about your generation and your generation and what your generation and what your generation was told is that you could be individual all could be an individual all that. you and you didn't you go out there and you didn't need to be close to the family home. you didn't need to necessarily in your necessarily follow in your father's footsteps carry father's footsteps and carry on his family business whatever, father's footsteps and carry on his fyou y business whatever, father's footsteps and carry on his fyou y busi go s whatever, father's footsteps and carry on his fyou y busi go out. whatever, father's footsteps and carry on his fyou y busi go out. ihatever, father's footsteps and carry on his fyouy busi go out. i mean, ', that you could go out. i mean, are that you feel are you saying that you feel individualism turned into individualism is turned into narcissism way? yes narcissism in some way? yes i do. >> well flun- em— do. >> well thank you. because >> well put. thank you. because

i want to say that we i don't want to say that we should we should go back to a very where, yes, very static society where, yes, you have to follow your parents trade, have live close to trade, you have to live close to the have be in an the home. you have to be in an arranged all the arranged marriage. all the things that we've rightly done away need freedom. and away with, we need freedom. and that's british story, that's the great british story, by way, is we do have a by the way, is we do have a tradition which people tradition in which people travel for make their own for work. they make their own futures. have a tradition of futures. we have a tradition of independence and self—reliance that's really important. but actually of actually the choice that most of us in life, yes, we us want to make in life, yes, we might want to go away to study or work, really we want or to work, but really we want to attached to the place that to be attached to the place that we think of as home. if we can afford be, if we afford afford to be, if we can afford to be. and again, it's part of the incentives that our culture and our makes. it's and our economy makes. it's very, difficult to keep very, very difficult to keep your to create your roots. so we need to create a in an economy in which a society in an economy in which it's easier to do the things that people want do, that most people want to do, which includes fulfilling the obugafions which includes fulfilling the obligations to their family. >> i completely understand exactly where you're coming from. think from. some people might think it's looking, it's a bit backward looking, it's a bit backward looking, it's bit harking back to sort it's a bit harking back to sort of the days. really want to of the days. i really want to challenge that come here. of the days. i really want to chamay|e that come here. of the days. i really want to chamay i that come here. of the days. i really want to chamay i challengee here. of the days. i really want to chamay i challenge that?

>> may i challenge that? >> may i challenge that? >> saying particularly from >> i'm saying particularly from a if you're a female perspective, if you're a female perspective, if you're a single mum bringing up two kids on council estate in east kids on a council estate in east london you're hearing tory london and you're hearing a tory mp talking about mp sort of talking about a return family values, you're return to family values, you're to feel judged and to going feel quite judged and you're going to think, well, what's going incentivise what's going to incentivise me to vote for this party? >> thank for saying that. >> so thank you for saying that. i so i've done a lot of i mean, so i've done a lot of work. in fact, in london, in housing estates. worked housing estates. i worked a lot with ex—prisoners, with prisoners and ex—prisoners, with prisoners and ex—prisoners, with trouble. with young families in trouble. i'm with the i'm very familiar with the challenges families in challenges that families in those face. we those circumstances face. we really need to support those families. to make families. we really need to make it for people to bring up it easier for people to bring up their part that, their kids. well part of that, i do is about helping do think, is about helping people, together people, couples to stay together through the benefit through the tax and the benefit system, at the moment system, which at the moment works opposite direction. works in the opposite direction. but the but yeah, we are not in the business of judging or prescribing families should business of judging or prescribi but families should business of judging or prescribi but ftpoints should business of judging or prescribi but ftpoint about ld operate. but your point about turning i'm turning back the clock, i'm really that being turning back the clock, i'm reaaccusation that being turning back the clock, i'm reaaccusation againstat being turning back the clock, i'm reaaccusation against meaing i an accusation against me and i really about it because really worry about it because nobody backwards. nobody wants to go backwards. i certainly don't. and i think the 19505 certainly don't. and i think the 1950s described certainly don't. and i think the 1950s you described certainly don't. and i think the 1950s you basically described certainly don't. and i think the 1950s you basically hadescribed certainly don't. and i think the 1950s you basically had to 'ibed certainly don't. and i think the 1950s you basically had to be d where you basically had to be married and if you were woman, where you basically had to be mar stayedd if you were woman, where you basically had to be marstayedd i1home. ere woman, where you basically had to be marstayedd i1home. bringingnan, where you basically had to be marstayedd i1home. bringing the, you stayed at home. bringing the kids up is totally wrong. it's, in historically anomalous. kids up is totally wrong. it's, in histhat's.ly anomalous. kids up is totally wrong. it's, in histhat's not nomalous. you know, that's not the traditional doing things. you know, that's not the traditiorhave doing things.

you know, that's not the traditiorhave always ing things. you know, that's not the traditiorhave always hadthings. you know, that's not the traditiorhave always had anigs. women have always had an economic until that little economic role until that little weird when there weird moment post war when there was of domesticity. so was this idea of domesticity. so actually, i think we need a society and women society in which men and women can natural instincts can fulfil the natural instincts they to look after their they have to look after their families, which applies to men too, have too, of course. yes. to have play too, of course. yes. to have play role in their communities play a role in their communities and to have a role in the economy. so actually, it might sound fashioned in a sense sound old fashioned in a sense it because what we it is, because i think what we want a is an opportunity to want is a is an opportunity to work close to home to fulfil those different responsibilities, beyond responsibilities, not beyond this to go far this idea of having to go far away from home, work long hours, never see family. that never see your family. that isn't anybody isn't the model that anybody wants, men or women. so i think actually what i think is that modernity, technology in particular, the internet, is making a more traditional way of life more possible, but in a more way. you know, in more equal way. so, you know, in devizes wiltshire, devizes in wiltshire, where i represent know, it is now represent you know, it is now possible to have a really successful, thriving career without having to travel long distances all the time and to be play distances all the time and to be play a part in your community and see your family decent amount of time. >> i mean, the kind of adverse view to that is that we're

constantly attached to the office. it's because of these and holidays we have to and even on holidays we have to still and actually family still work. and actually family time becomes eroded. i think also some of this talk perhaps alienates working women who might feel that they're being judged by family orientated politicians who seem to be suggesting that the denigration of the family unit might be down to women working. you know, your mother, prue leith, is a very famous work woman, and i would imagine a bit of a matriarch in the. you go. the. there you go. >> go . so my mum >> there you go. so my mum represents, i think, a great model of how do it, and she model of how to do it, and she was present child. was very present as a child. i mean, when i was a child, in a sense, she had the opportunity to was to because she was an entrepreneur she could entrepreneur and she could manage her own time. but that's the life want. my the kind of life we want. my wife works in prisons, still runs working for our charity. she's active mum and works runs working for our charity. shthe active mum and works runs working for our charity. shthe community,n and works runs working for our charity. shthe community,n and our works runs working for our charity. shthe community,n and our kids.s runs working for our charity. shthe asnmunity,n and our kids.s runs working for our charity. shthe as well|ity,n and our kids.s runs working for our charity. shthe as well|ity,rdoes our kids.s runs working for our charity. shthe as well|ity,rdoes her kids.s runs working for our charity. shthe as well|ity,rdoes her job 5s school as well and does her job in the prisons. these things are possible, know, many possible, you know, for many people. possible people. they need to be possible for would for everybody. and i would challenge idea that this is challenge the idea that this is somehow anti women. most women challenge the idea that this is sometow anti women. most women challenge the idea that this is someto havei women. most women challenge the idea that this is someto have the men. most women challenge the idea that this is

someto have the kind most women challenge the idea that this is someto have the kind ofost women challenge the idea that this is someto have the kind of lifervomen challenge the idea that this is someto have the kind of life i)men want to have the kind of life i think i'm describing as dads do. this some there's no real this isn't some there's no real difference. all want the same difference. we all want the same kind one where kind of life, which is one where we're in our careers we're fulfilled in our careers or our jobs, and we are we have the opportunity to see our family play a in our family and to play a role in our neighbourhood. that's what i think policy should think government policy should be always be about, rather than always striving to drive up gdp figures by getting more people to work longer . yes, need longer hours. yes, we need economic prosperity economic success and prosperity . we need be driving the . we need to be driving the engine growth. need get engine of growth. we need to get more back the office more people back into the office as actually. but the thing as well, actually. but the thing that really matters to most people, and me, is our people, you and me, is our families our communities and families and our communities and even of us who in even those of us who live in sort non—traditionalfamilies sort of non—traditional families that to that same applies. you want to feel you want to feel connected and you want to belong, but then isn't rishi sunak the sort ultimate sunak the sort of ultimate family man? >> at the same time, >> and yet at the same time, politicians seem politicians like you don't seem to favour of him . and the to be in favour of him. and the way that he's running the country. >> well, so, you know, a lot think there's a suggestion really among your new conservative that he conservative group that he simply thatcherite and simply isn't thatcherite and right enough acceptable to right enough to be acceptable to your caucus of so actually your caucus of no. so actually well on family policy , on social

well on family policy, on social policy, i think rishi is absolutely in the right place. he's very concerned about all of the cultural questions that we rightly worry about at the moment. he's concerned about the kind education children kind of education his children are receiving and he really believes families. believes in strong families. he also and in also believes in growth and in prosperity, as do. mean, if prosperity, as we do. i mean, if there's criticism, it's simply there's a criticism, it's simply that spelling out that we're not yet spelling out a really, i think, bold and robust and coherent vision for what the country should be. and as i said, what the country demanded in 20 2016 and 2019. and i don't think we've yet heard but i'm hearing heard that, but i'm hearing encouraging noises that we're going you know, likes of going to, you know, the likes of you submitting you and others submitting letters no confidence letters of no confidence to great no, no, no, great britain. no, no, no, no, certainly not me. and i don't know anybody i don't know anybody who has i don't think is serious think anybody is serious about a change of leadership. this is so not right moment. in fact, not the right moment. in fact, we've we we've got the right leader. we absolutely. make the right >> rishi, i'd make the right left because you've left argument because you've said think almost half said that you think almost half of tories belong the dems of tories belong in the lib dems who that. meant who said that. you're meant to have that, or at least have said that, or at least indicated that that's the case. >> no, i don't 5 case. >> no, i don't a way >> no, i don't think in a way you've that. no. maybe you've got that. no. or maybe some say some people say that. >> think there is a split

>> so i think there is a split in the selection process. okay. how this? i know that how about this? i know that there are new conservatives because likes because i've spoken to the likes of your colleague miriam cates, who it who are concerned that when it comes to the selection process, isuppose comes to the selection process, i suppose tools aren't i suppose proper tools aren't being candidates. being selected as candidates. >> we all feel that. >> we all feel that. >> i think do, actually. >> i think i do, actually. i worry i worry about worry about i worry about central office. central cchq campaign headquarters. i don't think we are sufficiently conservative as a core party. i recognise the government often has to trying to represent everybody . i think the party everybody. i think the party should authentically should be authentically conservative wish we were conservative and i wish we were selecting candidates in that mould. know, we need to mould. but you know, we need to empower more to empower the grass roots more to select candidates select the candidates that reflect and reflect their interests and values and i we can, can values and i think we can, can or be doing that. i think or should be doing that. i think there's a lot to do at central office and in the government to reconnect who reconnect with those voters who came and trusted us came over to us and trusted us last time. and still got came over to us and trusted us lastopportunity still got came over to us and trusted us lastopportunity �*that.iot the opportunity to do that. >> think you can still win. >> i think we can still win. i think it needs to be a very robust, very strong decision right now to lean into the realignment in realignment that happened in 2019 govern 2019 and to govern for those people trust in us people who put their trust in us lastdanny, book, covenant >> danny, a new book, covenant the politics of home,

the new politics of home, neighbourhood nation. neighbourhood and nation. it's out it? neighbourhood and nation. it's out it's it? neighbourhood and nation. it's out it's out it? neighbourhood and nation. it's out it's out on it? neighbourhood and nation. it's out it's out on saturday. >> it's out on saturday. >> it's out on saturday. >> it's out on saturday. >> i think it's on saturday. >> i think it's out on saturday. >> i think it's out on saturday. >> and can pre—order. i >> and you can pre—order. i think you get a discount if you order now. >> good man. also at all >> good man. and also at all good they say. good bookshops, as they say. well, tuned well, please stay tuned because we've more guests we've got lots more great guests to to be to come. we're going to be speaking about first speaking about the first anniversary queen's death anniversary of the queen's death with press secretary, with her former press secretary, elsa to elsa andersen. i'm also going to be speaking to chris mullin, who's he was who's a long standing. he was a long standing labour mp who's got about starmer got opinions about keir starmer and he is running and the way that he is running the party. and will the party. and we will try. we've tried in touch with we've tried to get in touch with catherine, doing the catherine, who's doing the people's haven't people's panel, so we haven't forgotten about it, have forgotten about it, but we have been to touch. been trying to get in touch. we've trouble with we've been having trouble with the if we can to the wi—fi. so if we can speak to catherine in mid beds, we will. stay here's weather. stay tuned. here's some weather. in meantime, warm in the meantime, that warm feeling from boxt feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. despite a misty start for some of us, there's a good amount of sunshine in the forecast throughout the rest of

sunday. thanks to area sunday. all thanks to this area of has built of high pressure that has built its in across much of the its way in across much of the uk. but a point for uk. but a watch point for northern scotland this northern scotland where this lingering that will lingering cold front that will bnng lingering cold front that will bring throughout, bring some rain throughout, generally turning lighter and patchy at this afternoon, but still in places patchy at this afternoon, but still some in places patchy at this afternoon, but still some strong in places patchy at this afternoon, but still some strong gustsaces patchy at this afternoon, but still some strong gusts around and some strong gusts around coastal as might see coastal areas as well might see some low cloud persisting around coastal the sea, maybe coastal the irish sea, maybe down towards devon cornwall down towards devon and cornwall as head further inland as well. but head further inland there'll be a good dose of sunshine soon temperatures sunshine soon and temperatures really responding that 26 c really responding in that 26 c in parts of london, even mid 20s for parts of eastern and central scotland. we'll lead into a fairly fine evening and night as well. clear spells for most of us that will allow the mist and fog to return, though particularly lincolnshire, down towards anglia also towards east anglia and also northern turning bit murky in scotland turning a bit murky in places as well . fairly mild places as well. fairly mild night most us though night for most of us though towns holding up towns and cities holding up around 14 c. what's that ? early around 14 c. what's that? early mist and fog does clear its way off on monday. again, there'll be a fair amount of sunshine to be a fair amount of sunshine to be had, but breezier for devon and blustery around and cornwall. blustery around coastal areas. but the rain across northern scotland will be

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>> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. now, unfortunately, we can't get to catherine force in mid beds we've been having all sorts of problems, so no people's panel this week, afraid. but this week, i'm afraid. but please next week's please do apply for next week's panel h panel. we'll try and make it extra special. it's gbnews.com forward slash panel, but apologies for that in just a moment, i'm going to be speaking to anderson, who's the moment, i'm going to be speaking to queen'serson, who's the moment, i'm going to be speaking to queen's former'ho's the moment, i'm going to be speaking to queen's former press he late queen's former press secretary. and we're going to talk the king's first year talk about the king's first year and ifs talk about the king's first year and it's been. and spare and and how it's been. and spare and the documentary and all the netflix documentary and all of but before of the rest of it. but before that, delighted be joined of the rest of it. but before théchris delighted be joined of the rest of it. but before théchris mullin.:ed be joined of the rest of it. but before théchris mullin. he be joined of the rest of it. but before théchris mullin. he was; joined of the rest of it. but before théchris mullin. he was aioined of the rest of it. but before théchris mullin. he was a labour by chris mullin. he was a labour mp for 23 years, served under four labour leaders . mp for 23 years, served under four labour leaders. he's got a brilliant new book out. let's have a look at it now. didn't you to be? chris mullin is you used to be? chris mullin is the title, which i think reflects the fact that that's probably people say probably what most people say to you you in the you when they stop you in the street. chris is also the author of book you'll probably of a book you'll probably recognise the title of a very british leaving british coup. so since leaving the party and indeed being an mp

in sunderland, south from 1987 to 2010, chris, you've spent your life on the road writing and as we've just discussed, being at literary festivals and all the rest of it. was it difficult leaving office or was it bit a in it actually a bit of a relief in the end? well i'll for those who have read the previous volume of diaries know that great diaries will know that a great deal the deal of agonising went into the decision whether stand down decision whether to stand down in 2010. >> it was either the best decision the worst i've ever decision or the worst i've ever made , it's turned out made, and it's turned out extremely i'm pleased to extremely well. i'm pleased to report stayed , i'd have report if i'd stayed, i'd have spent another decade. yabbering on the back benches to absolutely no effect, whatever. so i've had a very good time since retired i don't since i retired and i don't regret at all. regret it at all. >> as you a sage of all >> well, as you a sage of all things labour, ask you things labour, let's ask you what keir starmer's what you make of keir starmer's leadership, serving leadership, because serving under leaders you under four leaders has given you some experience of some good experience of different wrote different characters. i wrote a column you said earlier that you did read the telegraph occasionally. column occasionally. i wrote a column saying nobody wants keir starmer to and what i to be prime minister. and what i meant that don't have meant by that is we don't have people lining the streets saying, yeah, come on, starmer like we did. blair do you think

that's a problem for him? not necessarily. >> i mean, i think after all, after boris johnson , we could do after boris johnson, we could do with somebody a bit less flamboyant . yeah his problem is flamboyant. yeah his problem is going to be that he's well, and you can see why he's very cautious . he's got to take cautious. he's got to take a swathe of the middle class, if not every last daily telegraph reader with him. but he's got to capture some of them to form a government. that's the reality of politics country . of politics in this country. >> can we see that happening? i mean, might really mean, they might be really annoyed the tories, annoyed with the tories, but they're necessarily they're not necessarily flocking towards party. towards the labour party. i certainly accept that. >> . and that's the challenge >> yes. and that's the challenge he faces , as i do understand why he faces, as i do understand why there they're so cautious. they're a bit too cautious for my if you take a controversial issue like tax, which of course he's only done the same thing as blair did and said he won't put up tax in first year in up tax in his first year in office. first in office. office. first term in office. yeah, but i understand why. because mass hysteria gets

organised by papers like the telegraph and the sun and the daily mail suggesting. >> chris but yeah, but he might win over more telegraph readers if, for instance, he did ape blair and said he was perfectly comfortable filthy comfortable about the filthy rich the it . i rich and all the rest of it. i mean, the trouble is with labour is i suppose the criticism of starmer to all starmer is all things to all men, really attracting men, but not really attracting any them. got this any of them. you've got this brexit conundrum. mean, are brexit conundrum. i mean, are you that brexit has had you worried that brexit has had a hugely negative impact on labour's sort of original red wall working class following ? wall working class following? >> yeah, well, i think it's a temporary impact. it certainly did , there's no question about did, there's no question about that. but i don't think it will be the issue at the next election. people have now had a few years to see where it's all leading and the big issue is going to be the steady decline of public services that does pose a dilemma for labour because they've got to say how are they going to fund an alternative or expand the alternative? but i was reading that by will of free marketeers,

the economist the other day, and on july the 8th they had an editorial that began. britain has been poorly governed for the last 13 years, and they then went to on enumerate . how they went to on enumerate. how they listed all the main indices. they said homelessness , hospital they said homelessness, hospital waiting lists pay . all these waiting lists pay. all these things have been in steep decline. i think they'll have a much bigger impact than brexit, but at the same time you could have some on the right saying, well, unfortunately entered have some on the right saying, wellthisortunately entered have some on the right saying, wellthis biginately entered have some on the right saying, wellthis big spending entered have some on the right saying, wellthis big spending era :ered have some on the right saying, wellthis big spending era under into this big spending era under blair we've never been able blair and we've never been able to in. to rein it in. >> greg hands, the tory party chairman, makes a lot. in fact, he's kind of overdoing the joke of that letter that liam byrne left five letters, five elections. >> i know about it. >> i know about it. >> i know it in my pocket. yeah but but the liam byrne, you know, there's no money left in the treasury argument is an argument against bringing the labour party back in if they're going to be extremely profligate with taxpayers, taxpayers money. >> you, think they >> do you, do you think they will? >> do you, do you think they wiliwell, i >> do you, do you think they willwell, i think that we're

>> well, i think that we're choosing between two extremely profligate choices, aren't we? you a prime you know, we have a prime minister who brought in furlough and we're sort of paying the and we're now sort of paying the economic got economic price and we've got a labour prime minister, wannabe labour prime minister, a wannabe labour prime minister, a wannabe labour minister who keeps labour prime minister, a wannabe lalcoming minister who keeps labour prime minister, a wannabe lalcoming upminister who keeps labour prime minister, a wannabe lalcoming up withter who keeps labour prime minister, a wannabe lalcoming up with all who keeps labour prime minister, a wannabe lalcoming up with all ofo keeps labour prime minister, a wannabe lalcoming up with all of these)s on coming up with all of these pledges to spend 28 billion a yean pledges to spend 28 billion a year, for instance, green year, for instance, on green issues, seem to be able issues, doesn't seem to be able to say where the money is coming from tax that from beyond a windfall tax that seems to have been spent now, i think about 20 different ways. >> well, tories that >> well, the tories adopted that suggestion, didn't they? >> it ed >> they thought it was ed miliband adopted miliband and the tories adopted it. there's been one. it. i think there's been one. but i do think in this country, looking at the bigger picture, we need a debate about taxation . yeah, i know it's article of faith in certain quarters that taxes are the highest they've ever been and that we're all taxed into the ground and the word burden is always used in taxation. you could actually defend taxation by saying defend the taxation by saying it's subscription pay it's a subscription. we pay for living civilisation . living in civilisation. >> well, you can defend it if people the public people think the public services in enough . in return are good enough. >> been in >> well, they've been in decline. have debate >> well, they've been in declinwhy have debate >> well, they've been in declinwhy that have debate >> well, they've been in declinwhy that is|ave debate >> well, they've been in declinwhy that is partly debate

>> well, they've been in declinwhy that is partly .ebate >> well, they've been in declinwhy that is partly . partly about why that is partly. partly not it's to do with not entirely. it's to do with with spending. but we actually our rate i had a i had a letter the other day from from a city economist. so not a natural labour voter who said that taxation in this country what's 3,738% is less than in most comparable north european states and it obviously tax rate significantly under that of say the us. well ah well yes but they don't have to go down the us road with the us levels of inequality though we are heading inequality though we are heading in that direction. >> so you want higher taxes ? yes. >> well, if you want more public spending, that's the dilemma that electric have to decide. and the dilemma that the politicians have is whether they're brave enough to raise they're brave enough to raise the subject have then an the subject could have then an argument about it. at the argument about it. but at the moment, not moment, everybody is trying not to i do to even discuss it. i do understand why, because then absolute the right absolute terror of the right wing the labour side. wing press on the labour side. >> said that , i >> but having said that, i suppose could argue for suppose you could argue for higher taxes and higher spending, of the spending, be more left of the spectrum. and the last

spectrum. and then the last person tried be more person that tried to be more left spectrum under left of the spectrum under laboun left of the spectrum under labour, disastrous for labour, it was disastrous for him. corbyn in that kind him. jeremy corbyn in that kind of socialist economic of like socialist economic approach, seem to go down approach, didn't seem to go down particularly well with the masses and course he masses. and of course he suffered spectacular defeat suffered that spectacular defeat in so people don't though, in 2019. so people don't though, did he ? did he? >> well, you got more votes than blair in 2005. >> well , i know, blair in 2005. >> well, i know, but blair in 2005. >> well , i know, but at the same >> well, i know, but at the same time, you could argue because of the shambles that was, that snap election and theresa may losing her majority, that different her majority, that a different leader who more acceptable leader who was more acceptable than corbyn. and let's than jeremy corbyn. and let's face it, quite leaders face it, quite a few leaders would would better would be would have done better . better than that. . even even better than that. >> not corbynista. know >> i'm not a corbynista. i know i like him. he's a lovely fellow, a thoroughly decent. is he a lovely fellow? yes, he is. i've him years. i've known him for 40 years. >> those who were >> unlike many of those who were in jewish community, perhaps. >> well, he was framed, frankly framed. word yes. >> well, he was framed, frankly frarwas word yes. >> well, he was framed, frankly frarwas shared word yes. >> well, he was framed, frankly frarwas shared the word yes. >> well, he was framed, frankly frarwas shared the mural. yes. he was shared the mural. >> on now . >> come on now. >>— >> come on now. >> i mean, i wasn't. my stepmother's jewish. she wasn't comfortable that mural. stepmother's jewish. she wasn't comfcon ble that mural. stepmother's jewish. she wasn't comfcon earth that mural. stepmother's jewish. she wasn't comfcon earth was1at mural. stepmother's jewish. she wasn't comfcon earth was he mural. stepmother's jewish. she wasn't comfcon earth was he thinking what on earth was he thinking sharing it? >> i've known him for 40 years. >> he's a thoroughly decent

human being, but not a great leader of the labour party. no, no, hopeless. and the great no, no. hopeless. and the great problem for corbyn was, of course, that in a parliamentary democracy it or the great problem for labour i should say in a parliamentary democracy, you can't have a leader who has only got the support of 10% of his mps. you can't do it. that's why not. why i'm not. >> do you think he's been >> but do you think he's been unfairly treated party, unfairly treated by the party, him abbott? we've had him and diane abbott? we've had this situation this strange situation with neil lawson thrown of the lawson being thrown out of the party he's tweeted party because he's tweeted something about electoral pacts. >> politics these days, i >> well, politics these days, i wouldn't qualify as a labour candidate now because somebody will back my tweets candidate now because somebody will they'd :k my tweets candidate now because somebody will they'd find my tweets candidate now because somebody will they'd find two my tweets candidate now because somebody will they'd find two years :weets candidate now because somebody will they'd find two years agots and they'd find two years ago that i'd like something that i shouldn't have liked. >> you barely qualified at the time leader neil kinnock >> you barely qualified at the tinthe leader neil kinnock >> you barely qualified at the tinthe time leader neil kinnock >> you barely qualified at the tinthe time askedier neil kinnock >> you barely qualified at the tinthe time asked what's kinnock >> you barely qualified at the tinthe time asked what's gone ock at the time asked what's gone wrong in sunderland? they've gone certifiable lunatic. >> but the point about yes >> yes, but the point about yes is no. >> sorry to bring that up again, chris. >> you're quite right to , but >> you're quite right to, but the point about kinnock is he didn't interfere in the process . so do you think starmer is too

interfering? little finger? i mean , is he too interfering and mean, is he too interfering and is he actually cutting his nose off to spite his face because he's alienating the left? >> it's not so much the left. i mean, party's always mean, labour party's always been a coalition a bit of a coalition >> understatement ? >> an understatement? >> an understatement? >> well, it has. i think the tory party is obviously a coalition between some quite wide views. >> yes, but and that's a good thing. >> it's a healthy thing in a democracy parties. think. >> do you agree with blunkett saying in the telegraph today that labour needs a miracle to win i mean, he's saying win in 2024? i mean, he's saying it's not 92 or 97, it's 64. >> well , i it's not 92 or 97, it's 64. >> well, i don't think it needs a miracle. >> i don't think it's entirely helpful for david blunkett , who helpful for david blunkett, who is one of the big beasts of a previous era, to be opining every week in the sunday telegraph . telegraph. >> but oh, great place to a party. feel free to opine, write for tory newspapers myself, i can't really. but you think they can't really. but you think they can win? yes, they can. >> yes. >> yes. >> i think the comprehensively a majority not it's not a done deal. deal >> it's not a done deal. but i

don't think the tories are going to be a majority in the next election. all right. no, i really don't. >> which might make the liberals a third volume. the liberals will win. >> no, no, that's the fourth volume. >> it's the fourth volume. sorry after the very british coup behind the curve. >> so this is number four. >> so this is number four. >> but i'm saying if we have excitement come next autumn, you might have a number five coming up. >> no, i don't think i think i've stretched the elastic about worked out. it will go all right. >> well, let's give this a plug. didn't you used to be chris mullin? it's chris mullin's diaries it? you diaries from 2010, isn't it? you start you left 2010, start from when you left 2010, when stood down then 22 when you stood down and then 22 after the queen. when you stood down and then 22 afte it the queen. when you stood down and then 22 afte it ends the queen. when you stood down and then 22 afte it ends with the queen. when you stood down and then 22 afte it ends with the 1e queen. when you stood down and then 22 afte it ends with the death�*en. when you stood down and then 22 afte it ends with the death of. when you stood down and then 22 afte it ends with the death of the queen. >> all right. well, that's a great link to my next item, so stay because i'm going stay tuned because i'm going to be anderson, be speaking to elsa anderson, who's queen's former

this evening. gb news the people's . channel people's. channel >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. lovely to have your company this sunday morning. now, friday marks, would , of the first would you believe, of the first anniversary queen elizabeth anniversary of queen elizabeth the second's death? and i'm joined ailsa anderson, joined now by ailsa anderson, former secretary to her former press secretary to her late majesty. ailsa lovely to see you this morning. i can't believe been a year. believe it's been a year. >> i can't. can't. >> i can't. i can't. >>— >> i can't. i can't. >> gone and >> i can't. i can't. >>-gone and it's >> it's gone slowly and yet it's race past. i can't i cannot believe it. if you think this time year when obviously we time last year when obviously we saw images of the queen saw those images of the queen looking frail and then, of course, then it happened, although last image of her although that last image of her working before she working two days before she passed remarkable woman passed away, a remarkable woman in a way , i think the transition

in a way, i think the transition has actually been much smoother than i had anticipated. >> whenever i've been doing this job and i've been doing it for quite a long time with regard to reporting on the royals, i've always thought that the nation would have kind of would have some kind of collective breakdown, collective nervous breakdown, even died even when the queen died and actually, to the king actually, to be fair to the king and queen camilla, i think it's gone. all right. the last 12 months, notwithstanding some harry issues which we'll get on to. but what's your analysis of. >> i completely agree. i think it's sort of keep calm and carry on. been slow transition. on. it's been a slow transition. i thought the king's state visit to germany was absolute , to germany was absolute, absolutely faultless. how he spoke in german, his sense of humour , his warmth, his great humour, his warmth, his great intellect came through. so i really do think it's a slow transition, but it's been faultless. >> and queen camilla, i mean, in a way, did she make a rod for her own back with this kind of insistence that we drop the console and call her the queen

and not everyone is comfortable with that when to camilla? >> i think it's the right decision . she is she is the decision. she is she is the queen. she is. and she is his consort . and i think people consort. and i think people don't talk about it anymore. maybe at the beginning when it was announced, but now people are just taking it as the norm. she is the queen. >> and what interesting >> and what was interesting about i thought, about the coronation i thought, is she put her own about the coronation i thought, is on she put her own about the coronation i thought, is on that he put her own about the coronation i thought, is on that ceremony own about the coronation i thought, is on that ceremony .)wn about the coronation i thought, is on that ceremony. ivn about the coronation i thought, is on that ceremony. i mean, stamp on that ceremony. i mean, the archbishop of canterbury who i know you also used to work for back in the day, crowning them both each and both alongside each other and both alongside each other and both balcony. both appearing on the balcony. he's with his family. she's with hers . she insisted that her side hers. she insisted that her side of the family, her sister and her nieces and nephews were present for that moment. and we know that not non—royal has know that not many non—royal has ever appear on the balcony. what's example, what's the last example, i suppose churchill. so suppose winston churchill. so that was significant, too. do we think really think that the queen is really ruling the roost or is the king very much in command? >> wouldn't say that. >> well, i wouldn't say that. i think is an absolutely think she is an absolutely crucial support role for him. and i think the balcony, the combined families is modern

britain . you know, what family britain. you know, what family do you not know? i'm one of them. >> blended families, blended in. >> blended families, blended in. >> absolutely. they are >> absolutely. so they are actually representing what modern britain is today. but is it problematic for them that they're in their 70s? >> they've got this huge workload. there have been a few reports sort of saying, oh god, they haven't found it as easy. i mean, there's talk that the commonwealth mean, there's talk that the commonwealtithink going to government, i think is going to be in samoa or somewhere, miles and not like and miles away. it's not like when took the throne when the queen took the throne at could jet around the at 25 and could jet around the world end. i mean, world for months on end. i mean, these well these people are working well beyond age . and also, beyond retirement age. and also, does that pose a problem for the brand kind of seem brand because they kind of seem like the sandwich generation between the throne between the queen on the throne for that and of for all that time and then, of course, prince princess course, the prince and princess of and youth and of wales and their youth and vitality . the other side the vitality. the other side of the coin. yeah no, i don't think so i >>i -- >> i think hm >> i think the program can be paced to represent their reflective ages . the king is reflective ages. the king is known for having extreme high energy levels. you know, he's a workaholic . so i don't think

workaholic. so i don't think just because he's in his 70s that actually that will affect his pace at all. i think. i think they'll crack on. >> but are you worried about the slimmed down nature of things? i mean, princess anne expressed some concern that they couldn't slim further. i think slim down any further. i think when talked about when the king talked about slimming down the monarchy from when the king talked about slvalue|g down the monarchy from when the king talked about slvalue foriown the monarchy from when the king talked about slvalue for money; monarchy from when the king talked about slvalue for money perspective, rom a value for money perspective, he anticipating he wasn't anticipating the absence and duchess absence of the duke and duchess of sussex indeed the absence of sussex and indeed the absence of sussex and indeed the absence of brother, of of his own brother, the duke of york, life and you york, from public life and you look at the balcony now you look at the balcony now and you think, oh, my goodness, it's a bit the ground and bit thin on the ground and you've the of the duke you've got the likes of the duke and of edinburgh, and duchess of edinburgh, formerly and edward formerly sophie and edward wessex, the wessex, kind of bringing up the rear, jobs. know, rear, doing jobs. but, you know, it look little bit it does look a little bit fractured, perhaps because of harry and meghan's absence. i don't know. >> i think you could maybe argue that a slimmed down monarchy is actually more fitting for the 21st century. you know , do you 21st century. you know, do you need as many working royals out there with the perception that it's taxpayer money that's funding them? so actually, i think the king is doing the right thing by slimming it down, concentrating on those charities

and patronages, which he should do going forward that direction. >> can we have your pr analysis of the state of things with regard and meghan? regard to harry and meghan? we've gone from the netflix documentary to spare to them being lampooned on south park and being described as grifters . and we've seen some imagery even to today of them at this beyonce concert. and meghan looks very happy . harry doesn't looks very happy. harry doesn't necessarily, but it could have been just a bad camera angle. i mean , what's your analysis of mean, what's your analysis of their popularity versus that of their popularity versus that of the at the moment and the royals at the moment and where we are with this? >> well, like any good pr professional, advise myself professional, i'd advise myself not down that rabbit not to get down that rabbit hole. >> all we want. here's the rabbit hole . imagine yourself as rabbit hole. imagine yourself as alice in wonderland . but alice in wonderland. but seriously, just in terms of just okay, let's put it this way. perhaps we could argue that the royal family have fared extraordinarily . if you extraordinarily well. if you think back to oprah and some of the claims that were made that actually their popularity appears to be on the rise while harry and meghan's has nosedived

, i think , you know, i haven't , i think, you know, i haven't got a crystal ball who knows what's going to happen in the future . future. >> obviously working very >> he's obviously working very hard charities, the hard on his charities, on the invictus has been a invictus games, which has been a celebrated success. yeah, you know, i'm the daughter of a military officer. i know what it's like when you're injured in the military you you the military and you feel you don't get support. and don't get the support. and i think is a real, you know, think that is a real, you know, testimony passion for testimony to his his passion for the armed forces that he does this year after year after year. yeah, i don't know what's going this year after year after year. ye happen n't know what's going this year after year after year. ye happen n't the w what's going this year after year after year. ye happen n't the future. 's going to happen in the future. >> the royals to >> do the royals have to reconcile with them, do you think, a family. reconcile with them, do you thiryeah, a family. reconcile with them, do you thiryeah, family a family. reconcile with them, do you thiryeah, family doesfamily. reconcile with them, do you thiryeah, family does have i. >> yeah, family does have disputes. i can't think of one family that doesn't have an up and but although and down. yeah, but although unlike the rest us, they're unlike the rest of us, they're not plastered the front not plastered across the front totally. and totally. and it's difficult and obviously, to the obviously, according to the media, there's a lack of trust between family members now. yeah, but i'm a firm believer in reconciliation , ian. and who reconciliation, ian. and who knows what's going to go on down the track and there are things that will bring the family together. obviously the together. i mean, obviously the announcement by the cabinet office that this new

office today that this new memorial for the queen, i mean, there's a bit of concern, 2026, is that a bit too far away? >> i mean, i know it's to mark what would have been her 100th birthday, it's like , come birthday, but it's like, come on. but you want to get it right? >> f- w— f and it's only three >> yeah. so and it's only three years two and half years, years or two and a half years, probably. and you're going to have to consult with the commonwealth. have commonwealth. i would have thought the realms public consultation, i see that consultation, but i see that lord janvrin, robin janvrin, who i worked with , who is an amazing i worked with, who is an amazing former private secretary and former private secretary and former press secretary, he started in the press office. so i can't think of a better person to lead and chair that committee to lead and chair that committee to steer it forward. what what kind of memorial? >> i mean, what would the late queen have liked? because at the end of the day, it seems a funny thing to say about the world's most woman, but most photographed woman, but she didn't really like a fuss. >> didn't. and think, >> no, she didn't. and i think, you it's you know, it's you know, it's you know, it's got be all things all men got to be all things to all men and yeah. you know, she and women. yeah. you know, she was the biggest global female superstar the world, a superstar in the world, a working woman, a working mother

. she loved the countryside . . she loved the countryside. >> every aspect of her as head of state, but also a grandmother, perhaps. >> absolutely. and it's going to be difficult because you're not going to please everybody. be difficult because you're not going and lease everybody. be difficult because you're not going and where everybody. be difficult because you're not going and where will body. be difficult because you're not going and where will itydy. be difficult because you're not going and where will it be? does yeah. and where will it be? does it have to be in london? you know, she was the happiest. maybe the windsor. >> could have series . elser >> we could have a series. elser anderson, thank you very much indeed expertise this indeed for your expertise this morning. week at morning. i'm back next week at 930. up next, it's michael portillo. first, some portillo. but first, here's some more weather . more weather. >> looks like things are heating up. box boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. despite a misty start for some of us, there's a good amount of sunshine in the forecast throughout the rest of sunday. to area sunday. all thanks to this area of high pressure has built sunday. all thanks to this area of way pressure has built sunday. all thanks to this area of way pracross has built sunday. all thanks to this area of way pracross much as built sunday. all thanks to this area of way pr across much of built sunday. all thanks to this area of way pr across much of thet its way in across much of the uk. a point for uk. but a watch point for northern scotland this northern scotland with this lingering that will lingering cold front that will bnng lingering cold front that will bring rain throughout , bring some rain throughout, generally and generally turning lighter and patchy afternoon , but patchy at this afternoon, but still in places

still quite drizzly in places and strong gusts around and some strong gusts around coastal might see coastal areas as well might see some cloud persisting around some low cloud persisting around coastal. sea , maybe coastal. the irish sea, maybe down and cornwall down towards devon and cornwall as well, but head further inland and there'll be a good dose of sunshine and temperatures really responding in that 26 c in parts of london, even mid 20s for parts of eastern and central scotland. we'll lead into a fairly fine evening and night as well . clear spells for most of well. clear spells for most of us that will allow the mist and fog to return, though particularly lincolnshire, down towards and towards east anglia and also northern southern northern ireland. southern scotland a bit murky in scotland turning a bit murky in places well . a fairly mild places as well. a fairly mild night most us though night for most of us though towns holding up towns and cities holding up around set arceus around 14 degrees set arceus what's that? early mist and fog does clear its way off on monday. there'll a fair monday. again there'll be a fair amount of sunshine to had, amount of sunshine to be had, but for devon and but breezier for devon and cornwall, blustery around coastal areas. but the rain across northern scotland will be shifting more towards shetland. so highlands, of the so the highlands, parts of the western as well, having a western isles as well, having a better day monday. again, better day on monday. but again, temperatures climbing in that sunshine now peaking around 29 c in the southeast. and as we head

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gb news. >> good morning and welcome to sunday with michael portillo. round off your sunday morning and start this september sunday afternoon with two hours of politics arts , culture and world politics arts, culture and world affairs. the first thing that i will ask as a former secretary of state for defence is whether the prime minister has erred by installing a political loyalist installing a political loyalist in the role of defence secretary to replace the former soldier ben wallace, who had gained respect for his clear leadership in the war in ukraine. in my political panel, will give its view as the democracy and sovereignty of ukraine are attacked. i will talk to an historian, frank mcdonough, who has written about the weimar republic, the liberal political system established in germany after the first world war and swept away by the rise of adolf hitler . after that, the foreign hitler. after that, the foreign reporter and editor of the jewish chronicle will join me to talk about his new book is radiophobia, arguing that criticism of israel has become a smokescreen for anti—semitism . smokescreen for anti—semitism. turning to culture, julian lloyd

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