is to come. why.7 because is to come. why? because she, as today, have been unveiled as the uk's most prolific child serial killer in modern times. seven babies murdered , multiple babies murdered, multiple others. she attempted to murder two. this raises so , so many two. this raises so, so many questions, not least what on earth was going on in that hospital? how on earth was all of this allowed to happen? some people now saying this is why we need things like the death penalty . why is it you tell me. penalty. why is it you tell me. and in other news today, i'm asking , can and in other news today, i'm asking, can britain now and in other news today, i'm asking , can britain now afford asking, can britain now afford to give tax cuts? and if so , to to give tax cuts? and if so, to whom? you tell me . and the whom? you tell me. and the creator of father ted, of course

, been cancelled from one of the performances that he was due to give in edinburgh. why oh, brace yourself, everyone . because he yourself, everyone. because he believes a man is a man and a woman is a woman. freedom of speech. is it real in this country or is it indeed under threat? and the lionesses go on. girls playing, of course , at the girls playing, of course, at the weekend. but early in the morning, some people saying, you know what, the pubs should just open up and start serving booze as early as 10:00. but that is currently against the law. some people saying who cares ? what do people saying who cares? what do you make to that? we've got it all to come and more. but before we do so, let's bring ourselves up to speed with the latest headunes up to speed with the latest headlines from tatiana sanchez . headlines from tatiana sanchez. >> michelle, thank you. the latest from the gb newsroom of former nurse lucy letby has been found guilty of the murder of seven babies. she was also convicted of the attempted murder of six others between

june 2015 and june 2016 at the countess of chester hospital's neonatal ward. the 33 year old will be sentenced on monday. the government has ordered an independent inquiry into the case. crown prosecutor pascal jones described letby attacks as a complete betrayal of the trust placed in her. >> little did those working alongside her know that there was a murderer in their midst. she did her utmost to conceal her crimes by varying the ways in which you repeatedly harmed babies in her care. she sought to deceive her colleagues and pass off the harm she caused as nothing more than a worsening of each baby's existing vulnerability . dr. nigel scorn, vulnerability. dr. nigel scorn, medical director at the countess of chester hospital, ensured his commitment to lessons being learned . learned. >> this case has had a profound impact on our patients and our local community and also our

staff who come to work every day determined to provide safe and high quality care for all of our patients . our staff are patients. our staff are devastated by what has happened, and we are committed to ensuring that lessons continue to be learnt . learnt. >> home secretary priti patel says justice must be served in line with strict government laws when it comes to such horrific crimes . crimes. >> this is a deeply, deeply horrible, appalling , abhorrent horrible, appalling, abhorrent and traumatic case for those families that have lost their babies. it is a horrible case. the one thing i would add, though, is that the government has in recent years changed our laws for individuals that are effectively, you know, deemed to have been involved in murdering children and harming children. and it's important that we see those laws put into practise by the courts when it comes to sentencing . so we can't prejudge sentencing. so we can't prejudge anything right now. my sympathies so much with with

sympathies are so much with with those families . i mean, there those families. i mean, there are no words really . some are no words really. some breaking news to bring you. >> police investigating the murder of a ten year old in woking. they say they're looking for her father . sarah sharif's for her father. sarah sharif's body was found at her home last thursday after police received a call from her dad believed to be in pakistan just before 3:00 in the morning. detectives say they're now seeking irfan sharif , along with the child's stepmother and uncle. it's believed they've travelled to islamabad the day before her death was discovered . death was discovered. a businessman has been found guilty of orchestrating a bomb plot against lawyers in a row. over £14 million. jonathan nuttall was convicted of conspiring with his driver and an ex—marine to plant two devices in london's legal district. the four month trial heard that nuttall had been pursued by the national crime agency over the seizure of assets. agency over the seizure of assets . an old bailey jury assets. an old bailey jury deliberated for 25 hours to convict all three men. police in

northern ireland have arrested a man in connection with the psni data breach, a 50 year old man has been detained in county londonderry under the terrorism act and is being questioned . act and is being questioned. another man was arrested yesterday on suspicion of collecting information likely to be useful to terrorist . last be useful to terrorist. last week, the details of 10,000 police officers and staff were published online by mistake , published online by mistake, followed by a second breach relating to stolen documents and a laptop. >> do you think people like michael ? michael? >> meanwhile, police have also revealed they're investigating the loss of an officer's laptop notebook which fell from a moving vehicle yesterday. psni says the laptop was deactivated and had been recovered, but sections of the notebook are still missing. the contents of the book are unclear . gb news the book are unclear. gb news can reveal more than 25,000 migrants have crossed the channel since rishi sunak became prime minister the figure was reached just after midday today after the border force vessel ranger arrived at dover harbour

with 57 people on board and despite poor weather conditions in the channel today, a second migrant boat has made it to uk waters. it means more than 110 migrants have arrived in kent today. migrants have arrived in kent today . train drivers will strike today. train drivers will strike on the 1st of september and overtime will be banned. the day after in a long running dispute over pay. the strike will force train companies across england to cancel all services while the ban on overtime will seriously disrupt the network, it will be the 12th one day strike by aslef members since the dispute started over a year ago . you're started over a year ago. you're with gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by simply saying play gb news now it's back to . michelle it's back to. michelle >> thanks, tatiana . i'm michelle >> thanks, tatiana. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me , the tonight alongside me, the conservative live player in the

house of lords, daniel moylan, and former adviser to jeremy and the former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider. good evening, gentlemen . you know the evening, gentlemen. you know the drill, don't you? on dewbs& co. it is not just about us three. it's very much about you guys at home as well . one of my viewers home as well. one of my viewers got in touch with me the other day and said, michelle, if we don't know the drill by now, when we know it? you when will we ever know it? you never that's why keep never know. that's why i keep hammering at home. your views are very important to me. gb views is how you get views at gb news is how you get hold me. you can tweet me hold of me. or you can tweet me at gb news. now, of course, the main story in town today. the absolutely horrific, horrific case. lucy, let be who has been found guilty of murdering seven babies on a neonatal unit in the uk ? i mean, words fail you when uk? i mean, words fail you when it comes to something as evil and as horrific as this. so i shall start by going live to sophie reaper , who is in sophie reaper, who is in manchester for us and has all the very latest information.

sophie, good evening. please bnng sophie, good evening. please bring my viewers up to speed with the goings on today. >> good evening to you, michelle. well, this trial, first of all, began back in october of last year. we are now ten months on from that point, the jury was sent out back on the jury was sent out back on the 10th of july, meaning they've had 22 days of deliberation , which some people deliberation, which some people may think is a very long time. but there were 22 counts on this indictment that lucy letby was facing . so i think that time was facing. so i think that time was warranted today. we are now able to report exactly what the jury have found. they found her guilty of seven counts of murder and seven counts of attempted murder. we should also say they also found her not guilty on two counts of attempted murder and also on six of the counts on the indictment. they were unable to come to a verdict and they were therefore left us hung and the jury therefore left us hung and the jury were then discharged,

charged by justice goss . now, charged by justice goss. now, let's unpack all of that a little bit. now, seven, seven murders means that lucy letby now becomes the most prolific serial killer of children in modern british times. let's just take that in for a second. what a title to be taking . and that a title to be taking. and that is how she will be remembered. now in terms of her reaction to this, the first few verdicts, because they did come in over several days. the first couple we heard, we heard the tears, we heard the sobbing from her as she reacted to those first couple of verdicts after that, she became stony faced and seemed to have no reaction. what soever perhaps she was really sizing what her fate exactly was. but after that we haven't really seen lucy letby since then. and when justice goss, the judge presiding over this case, questioned that benjamin myers, kc of the defence , said that in kc of the defence, said that in fact, lucy letby had made the decision that she would no

longer be returning to the dock. she was in fact refused to come, not to only face the judge and the jury , but also refusing to the jury, but also refusing to face the families of those victims . so we now anticipate victims. so we now anticipate that that will indeed remain to be the case for the sentencing, which we expect to be on monday around 10 am, that we won't see lucy letby, that she refuses to come up to the dock and to face the crimes that she is committed, which make her the most prolific child serial killer in modern british history i >> -- >> sophie, thank you very much for that update . that's sophie for that update. that's sophie reaper there live from manchester crown court . now, you manchester crown court. now, you know, i think it's quite easy when a story like this comes out and you get the details . i've and you get the details. i've watched the media coverage . i've watched the media coverage. i've seen all of the press and i've been watching what people have to say. and i think a lot of people get caught up in the drama of what's actually going on.andi drama of what's actually going on. and i just want to just take a second just to reflect on the

enormity of this. this is a obviously a uk hospital. this is a neonatal ward, a unit. now i just want to be absolutely clear. the children that we're talking about here, these are what i would call probably most some of the most vulnerable people in our society . many of people in our society. many of these people, many of these children were very, very premature babies, some of them weighing such tiny amounts. we're talking about weighing just over a pound, £1 in some of these cases , these children and these cases, these children and ispeak these cases, these children and i speak with experience. i was anyone my little boy was in a unit for six weeks. and when you put your children into the care of this, it's very different. you don't have a happy birth and, you know, go home with your child. sometimes these births are very complicated. your child is immediately taken away from you and put into these little boxes. i call them the kind of innocuous letters here. and you

put your trust into these staff members more than i can even try and explain. you're sitting next to your children around the clock. it's a 24 over seven thing in the most serious of cases, the babies will have one on one care. you can't always be at the bedside of your little one. sometimes you need to eat. you might need to go and just freshen up. sometimes go home and so you put your trust and sleep. so you put your trust in a way that, you know, i can't even these tiny little things . even these tiny little things. and you trust the nurses , you and you trust the nurses, you trust them with everything possible that you have. and for them to do or for this lady to have done something like this, it chills me to the bone. it just chills me to the bone. and these families not only the families that have got these verdicts they will verdicts today, but they will now countless other families now be countless other families whose perhaps have died whose children perhaps have died either at this hospital or one of those or the hospital who are now thinking, well , was my of those or the hospital who are now thinking, well, was my child a victim of this? was my child a victim of this? so, so many families today will be absolutely devastated . and my absolutely devastated. and my heart absolutely breaks for

them. it really does . and them. it really does. and there's lots of conversations , there's lots of conversations, daniel, about the most prolific serial killer child serial killer. and, you know, i worry a little bit that this is going to become this big drama. and i give it five minutes before, you know, tv stations are making , know, tv stations are making, you know, documentaries and programmes and all the rest of it. but you know, this is i words almost fail me in that it's very rare that that happens to me. but words almost fail me because i know how tiny these children are. and i just think, how can you i'm not excusing murder at the best of time, but to these tiny little vulnerable, i can't process it. >> well, if you need any proof that there is such a thing as evil in the world, this is. this is proof of it, isn't it? i mean, this is completely evil. and. and there's no way in which you can begin to understand what was going on inside the mind of the person who did this, knowing that, i mean, was there a thrill

to it? i mean, knowing that she'd been entrusted with this and fighting back the whole time, you know, when she was suspected, she didn't say, well, that's my chance to get out now . i'll stop doing this. no, she fought back with a grievance complaint so that she could get back on the which didn't back on the ward, which didn't actually because she was actually happen because she was arrested time and so on. all arrested in time and so on. all of that seems to have come out now. and so she was absolutely determined that she was going to carry on doing this. and this was her life's work. and she'd carry on doing it until she stopped. there's no other way of thinking about that except as really objectively evil. >> yeah. and james, the thing that gets me , i've spent six that gets me, i've spent six weeks on the ward with my little one, and it's like one of the most intense experiences you will ever have as a parent. you know, the beeps are constantly there. you're constantly measuring the stats , the vitals measuring the stats, the vitals on these screens. you go to sleep if you manage to sleep, heanng sleep if you manage to sleep, hearing all of these beeps and

the alarms , they're such intense the alarms, they're such intense units and you almost become not a family, i don't know, exaggerate because it's not family. but you almost become this connection that you share with the staff members that look after your ones when you after your little ones when you go night, you know, you go home at night, you know, you can these units over can contact these units 24 over seven. i just these i can contact these units 24 over seven. ijust these i mean can contact these units 24 over seven. i just these i mean , how seven. ijust these i mean, how can you be i mean, there's no answers to this, but it's just i have so many questions in my head towards this lady. how can you betray trust like that? you betray your trust like that? just words fail me. yeah, it's. >> i mean, it's completely horrible. and unexplainable, but , i mean, the one in sort of positive thing in it perhaps, is that it was the doctors also in the unit who are the ones that worked out that there were babies that were dying that shouldn't die. and then they worked out that it was her. that was the one that was most likely doing it because she was on duty all of those times. so there was

this catastrophic failure with this, you know, seemingly extremely evil person who then was protected. it seems , for a was protected. it seems, for a while by the managers in her hospital while the doctors , the hospital while the doctors, the ones on the ward who had a pretty fair idea and turned out to be entirely right, that they that she was responsible for this and they kept on they kept on fighting. they've saved more lives by continuing to fight, by taking the disciplinary , by taking the disciplinary, by fighting their own management. >> yeah. and actually , when you >> yeah. and actually, when you read into all of the details of this, some of these consultants, they were raising concerns and then there were suggestions that they perhaps have to go to mediation. some of the doctors with lucy letby , there was an with lucy letby, there was an email apology sent to lucy letby for some of the things that had been said about her. it just all beggars belief. i mean, i'm absolutely disgusted by the fact that in this country, a criminal in this way can just decide that i'm not going to go into the

court and hear my sentence in here. the verdicts, whatever it is. i think it's fundamentally wrong that can just choose wrong that you can just choose to sit your cell. i think to sit in your cell. i think it's the final insult to the families of the victims . do you families of the victims. do you think people should be compelled whether in or otherwise, to whether in law or otherwise, to be in court for these kind of moments? yeah i think they should. >> i think people shouldn't have a it. justice. you a choice about it. justice. you know, old saying that know, there's an old saying that justice seen to be justice needs to be seen to be done the sentencing is part done and the sentencing is part of it. and do think that this of it. and i do think that this idea that serious criminals should be allowed to say, well, i'll just opt out from and i'll just opt out from that and i'll just opt out from that and i'll stay watch the telly i'll stay home, watch the telly or something, is completely unacceptable. and the unacceptable. and i think the pubuc unacceptable. and i think the public and justice at large require that they be brought to the now, i understand the court. now, i understand that management issues. that create management issues. if be difficult if they're going to be difficult and have to be dragged and they have to be dragged there whatever. but they there and whatever. but they shouldn't a choice. they shouldn't have a choice. they shouldn't have a choice. they should to the should be there to hear the sentence and to be taken down. and we should be able to see that we and the families and what we. >> so you think it should be a

pubuc >> so you think it should be a public kind of. >> well, increasingly, sentencing is being broadcast. yeah, but that's you only really see the judge that you don't really see the convicted. yeah, but want to know when we do but we want to know when we do see the judge that he's talking to somebody and not to empty air. >> true. what do you mean? >> true. what do you mean? >> it's also the families in >> but it's also the families in the the court and the victims the in the court and the victims in the court and the other people who who have sat through the they would be there the trial. they would be there and the sentence and they would see the sentence being delivered . i think it being delivered. and i think it should mandatory. do you should be mandatory. do you think it should be mandatory to face kind of outcomes? face your kind of outcomes? >> there's maybe a case >> yeah, there's maybe a case that if you don't, it's contempt of court. but i still i think practically if someone doesn't want to go and they're dragged there and they're being disruptive, they're going to be removed from the court for being disruptive. so i mean, ultimately, if somebody is not going to behave properly , you going to behave properly, you can't make them behave properly. you know, we want our good. >> i would strap them to a i don't know what to call them.

i'd strap them to something. and if you can't keep your trap shut and be respectful, i would actually put a gag around you and you whether and i would make you whether i've got to have upright on i've got to have you upright on a board or something, i would have in that dock. i would have you in that dock. i would make face the people that make you face the people that you their loved ones you have taken their loved ones from. i would it from. and i would put it literally a gagging ear. if literally put a gagging ear. if you your trap shut. >> yeah. mean, i don't know >> yeah. i mean, i don't know whether that's, you know, that's what victims want or not. and i think probably think it should probably be guided by, you know, guided by that. think the more that. i think the more significant to look is significant thing to look at is how we would stop, you know , how we would stop, you know, cases like this happening again, how how what are the safeguards that can be put in place? how can we listen more to the doctors and the professionals and less of the managers and the executives? >> yeah, and you know, i think this hospital, it had something like deaths in like i think 2 or 3 deaths in the neonatal unit on average the in neonatal unit on average a year . so of the in neonatal unit on average a year. so of course, here we're talking about seven men murders and multiple other attempted murders. i think there's been one since lucy letby was taken

away from that hospital. so that gives you some of the context. we've got the sentence in on monday. of course. we're just saying lucy letby will not be present, i think is quite present, which i think is quite frankly, disgusting . don't frankly, disgusting. i don't know you you are . i know who you think you are. i will that . the will be debating that. the sentence that she receives with peter hitchens the former peter hitchens and the former barrister alex dean, as well. on monday . i'm fascinated to hear monday. i'm fascinated to hear that conversation because personally, ask me, personally, if you ask me, i think the penalty is the think the death penalty is the way should be going way we should be going towards people this . i suspect that people like this. i suspect that some of you at home might have a different view to me, but you know what? pure evil . lucy know what? pure, pure evil. lucy letby my thoughts, my heart letby and my thoughts, my heart is with all of the families that know they've been affected. but also the families that are going to bed tonight wondering whether or have been affected or not there have been affected with the deaths of their children to there are no words . children to there are no words. it's just utter, utter evil . i'm it's just utter, utter evil. i'm going to take a break and when i come back, we'll be moving on to

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>> hello, i'm michel with you till 7:00 tonight alongside the tory life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan and the former adviser to jeremy corbyn, jim schneider. lots of you guys getting in touch about that last , the horrific situation with lucy letby discussed that name will turn my stomach for years and years to come, talking about whether or not she should be forced and people like her should be forced into court to hear the outcome. the verdicts are sentence in whatever mal says. lucy letby and people says. if lucy letby and people like her refuse to face her fits in court , her sentence should be in court, her sentence should be doubled without conditions . many doubled without conditions. many people saying that murderers and people saying that murderers and people like that accused like lucy letby should be forced into the dock . would you like to be the dock. would you like to be on the other side, though, if someone if that was your loved one and you've got someone, i don't know, disrupting and being abusive or whatever, telling you

that don't care or whatever that they don't care or whatever it is, that cause you more it is, would that cause you more upset than many well upset than not? many as well pointing out. about the pointing out. what about the consequences to the senior bosses at these hospital , the bosses at these hospital, the hospitals, and what will happen to them? well, based on some of the details that i've been reading, i think a few people will getting trouble will be getting in trouble because of failings there. and rightly you ask me . lots rightly so, if you ask me. lots of people talking about the death penalty, ian says. i can't think a argument for think of a better argument for the death penalty than a serial baby murderer. one of my views as well. i won't give your name out, but you've just been in touch with me to tell me that your granddaughter was actually part of the jury and you're just highlighting the process that those have through and those guys have been through and the that is taken the emotional toll that is taken on some of the stuff on the jury. some of the stuff that have to hear is that they have had to hear is not to be desired, i can assure you.so not to be desired, i can assure you. so respect to that view, as granddaughter and everybody else for that horrible situation, no doubt have been doubt that there have been forced go through for many forced to go through for many months let's move months now. right. let's move on. britain can we afford tax

cuts? we talk about the economy all the time. well, there's been analysis in the express now, apparently they reckon the government coffers will have an extra £14 billion this year. this is all to do with things like the tax thresholds having not changed, people getting pay rises, going into the higher bands and all the rest of it. lord moylan , i shall start with lord moylan, i shall start with you. do you think it's time for tax cuts now in the autumn budget? well the first thing i'd say is the thing that the say is the best thing that the government to help government can do to help ordinary is get ordinary people is to get inflation right down, because inflation is completely corrosive cuts are corrosive and tax cuts are a second best to help them. >> but inflation needs to be beaten and it's not down beaten and it's not coming down fast enough . as far tax cuts fast enough. as far as tax cuts are concerned , how are the are concerned, how are the government doing inflation? are concerned, how are the govirnment doing inflation? are concerned, how are the govi know|t doing inflation? are concerned, how are the govi know jeremy inflation? are concerned, how are the govi know jeremy inflattook some >> i know jeremy hunt took some credit other day when it credit the other day when it came down to bank of came down to the bank of england's and they've got england's job and they've got a mandate government and mandate from the government and they be standing they should be standing over them them do them and making them do it because inflation by because inflation is caused by monetary policy and is cured by monetary policy. >> bank of england is in >> and the bank of england is in charge of it. so they let it

grow and they need to bring it up. >> so what are you saying then? you've to government's you've got to the government's got over them. what got to stand over them. what mandate for them rate rises. >> the government says you've mandate for them rate rises. >> 2% government says you've mandate for them rate rises. >> 2% goverisesent says you've mandate for them rate rises. >> 2% gove rises or says you've mandate for them rate rises. >> 2% gove rises or other/ou've got 2% rate rises or other monetary need to be monetary measures need to be taken. my view, harder in taken. in my view, harder in order to bring inflation down. it's down fast enough it's not coming down fast enough or far enough. but on the question of tax cuts, i just want something here. the want to say something here. the government we're so borrowed in this the government's this country, the government's so borrowed following the covid, you know, splurge of expenditure. we're so borrowed. you know, splurge of expetheture. we're so borrowed. you know, splurge of expethe governmento borrowed. you know, splurge of expethe government isiorrowed. you know, splurge of expethe government is absolutely but the government is absolutely terrified of what the bond markets will do to them if they behave in a way that is seen to behave in a way that is seen to be irresponsible. that's what happened to liz truss and that's what absolutely what they're absolutely terrified of and their protection against to do protection against that is to do whatever the office budget whatever the office for budget responsibility says they can do and whatever their model , their and whatever their model, their wonky model shows . so wonky model shows. so effectively, whether we have tax cuts or not is decided by the new rulers of this country, which is the office for budget responsibility . they'll make the responsibility. they'll make the decision , they'll run their decision, they'll run their model, and they'll tell jeremy

hunt what he can do and whether he has to use that 40 billion to pay he has to use that 40 billion to pay down debt or to give people tax cuts , all those decisions be tax cuts, all those decisions be made effectively by the obe. >> i want to respond to you, but before i do, let me just bring in james for thoughts. in james for his thoughts. >> of we can give >> so, of course, we can give tax cuts to some people. there's a question of priorities. i mean, we could reduce the tax burden and also increase services for low and middle earners and have through tax simplification and taxing wealth, we could increase taxes at the top. that would be a sensible thing. you could do that in an extremely responsible and transparent manner, which wouldn't spook the bond markets . but i just want to respond to one thing that daniel was saying, because i found it quite interesting that you thought that bank england being that the bank of england being insulated from the government's decision making and the decision making and setting the direction interest rates, direction on interest rates, which in my view, what they're doing is, is wrong, is apparently a thing, whereas apparently a good thing, whereas the budget the office of budget responsibility doing it and

setting fiscal envelope is setting the fiscal envelope is a bad thing. i mean , i think both bad thing. i mean, i think both of these things are a bad thing. >> i agree with you, actually. i don't think the bank should be independent. it independent. i wasn't saying it was thing. i was just was a good thing. i was just saying they were incompetent. right. the right. and they've caused the problem and they haven't cured it. ideally, these it. but but ideally, these decisions by decisions should be taken by a democratically accountable politicians on issues and politicians on both issues and not being run by these two organisations on either side . organisations on either side. monetary, fiscal, which have no accountability to anybody . accountability to anybody. >> let me ask you this. on this covid debt, because one of the situations we're in economically is to do with how much debt we accumulated, as you say, during covid. one of the things i've never understood sure never understood and i'm sure you able to simply you will be able to simply answer for me, is we've got answer it for me, is we've got these huge debts now. why didn't we? remember sunak we? i remember rishi sunak proudly wherever it was proudly standing wherever it was saying, know, we're to saying, you know, we're going to pay saying, you know, we're going to pay covid debt. we're pay down our covid debt. we're not to pass it on to our not going to pass it on to our grandkids or whatever it was. and looked the screens and i looked at the screens saying, why not? are saying, well, why not? why are we desperate pay down this we so desperate to pay down this debt? didn't we, when

debt? why didn't we, when interest low interest rates were really low at the why don't we at the time? why don't we package up like, don't package these up like, i don't know, like a war debt, kick them out into the long term, chip away slowly. why have we away at them slowly. why have we sucked and given ourselves sucked it up and given ourselves this? i would say avoidable this? what i would say avoidable economic harm? >> have absolutely answer >> i have absolutely no answer to what you are to that because what you are describing, what you are saying is exactly was saying at is exactly what i was saying at the that lot of this the time, that a lot of this debt be taken and debt should be taken and packaged as perpetual packaged up as perpetual bonds like the bonds. yeah, that like the war bonds. yeah, that went forever from being went on forever from being packaged interest packaged up at the low interest rates were available at the rates that were available at the time insulate it in some way time and insulate it in some way from our normal from our from our normal borrowing because borrowing requirements because they clearly off and they were clearly one off and very, special . and yet very, very special. and yet somehow that wasn't done . and somehow that wasn't done. and no, they very long done very long term borrowing was not carried out when that is what we should have been doing. of course, one of the problems was we run out of capacity to borrow from the markets in those days, a lot of that borrowing was borrowed the of borrowed from the bank of england, which means they just printed money. they didn't because don't have any because they don't have any money they print money either. they just print more if you like, in

more banknotes. if you like, in order to for the government to borrow it. that's what's led to the inflation. the whole lockdown has turned out to be a catastrophe, an economic orthodoxy has a huge amount to blame because we had austerity for a decade , which was for a decade, which was completely unnecessary. >> we didn't invest in the economy when we had incredibly low historically low , probably low historically low, probably one off low interest rates when we could have borrowed for the long term investment that we need, which would boost productivity, improve our public services, improve our industry and so on and so forth. but we didn't do that because we had george osborne and most of the media and most of the political class cheering on the idea that that it was a mistake to do that. and then the follow on logic is the same as you've just been. you've just been discussing no business would have managed themselves in in this way. but we have had this. and the reason why we have had it is to reduce the claims that ordinary people can have on on

pubuc ordinary people can have on on public spending to benefit tax cuts at the very top, which is what we've what we've seen now for 30 and 14 years. >> he says austerity was basically not needed . many basically not needed. many people were shouting at the screen saying absolutely was needed because they will the needed because they will say the state of the economy post laboun state of the economy post labour, where you on it? labour, where are you on it? >> well, taxes at top have >> well, taxes at the top have gone up, not down. now on gone up, not down. now i'm on about austerity. >> needed? >> was austerity needed? >> was austerity needed? >> brown left office. >> gordon brown left office. since alistair darling was chancellor but chancellor the exchequer. but i the thing a great thing about the thing a great thing about the austerity under george osborne is that it's great left wing myth because it never happened. there was no year in which government expenditure fell when george osborne was chancellor. it carried on rising every what there was was every year. what there was was a reallocation of expenditure , so reallocation of expenditure, so some things were protected . if some things were protected. if you remember, the nhs was protected , think was protected, i think defence was protected. pensions were protected, protected protected, those were protected . and in order to keep a sensible lid on the overall quantum , other things like local quantum, other things like local authority expenditure and so on,

squeezed and squeezed quite hard . but the total amount of expenditure went up every year. it's complete myth. it was a choice of how you spend it. >> well, there you go. if you if you're not, we're talking about how you're spending money. you're not, we're talking about hcyou're re spending money. you're not, we're talking about hcyou're sitting|ding money. if you're sitting in this country, you how country, i'll tell you how you're not spending it. and that is by going on holiday. so you're to get the sun you're not going to get the sun on let's have a look on holiday. let's have a look whether you'll getting whether or not you'll be getting it weather, that it at home. the weather, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello again . it's aidan >> hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast overnight . storm betty will overnight. storm betty will bnng overnight. storm betty will bring lashings of wind and rain to the uk . in bring lashings of wind and rain to the uk. in some bring lashings of wind and rain to the uk . in some places, gales to the uk. in some places, gales as well as in other places thunderstorms. betty was named by met eireann, the irish met service because the strongest winds will be affecting southern ireland overnight but also western parts of england, southwest scotland, northern ireland and wales will see gales and in some places 60 or even 70 mile per hour wind gusts. the

worse the winds moved through overnight. but there's also the risk of thunderstorms developing across of england and across the east of england and persistent for scotland and persistent rain for scotland and northern ireland. so all in all, a lively night weather and a lively night of weather and a warm night as well, staying fairly muggy . we start off fairly muggy. we start off saturday with the wet and windy weather through irish sea weather moving through irish sea coasts, northern ireland as well as scotland. most persistent as scotland. the most persistent rain arrives the north of rain arrives into the north of scotland , but we'll continue to scotland, but we'll continue to see further spells of wet weather for rest of weather for the rest of scotland, northern ireland and northwest england. across the rest wales it rest of england and wales it brightens up. there'll be some showers, also some decent showers, but also some decent sunshine. southeast, sunshine. and in the southeast, 26 it's going to stay 26 celsius, it's going to stay relatively humid. some day. all in all is a brighter day, particularly for northern areas. again, a mix of sunny spells and showers still a brisk breeze from the southwest . but that's from the southwest. but that's going be bringing once more going to be bringing once more some higher temperatures at times . so mid some higher temperatures at times. so mid 20s possible in the southeast, turning even warmer in the south through next week changeable the north. >> that warm feeling inside from

boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news the tax weather on. gb news the tax conversation got a lot of you guys talking adrian says. >> why don't we just cut vat on things like all your basics, your bread, your egg, your milk, whatever, the basic whatever, whatever the basic food. you chuntering ? food. what are you chuntering? >> sorry, you don't have vat on bread , eggs and milk. bread, eggs and milk. >> there well that told >> there you go. well that told you, guys says michelle, you, adrian. guys says michelle, you're talking about the covid debt as though it was a bad thing. workers jobs were saved. and of course it incurred and yes, of course it incurred debts, he says. the people debts, he says. now the people are criticising the are just criticising the government, economy now government, the economy are now defend tax cuts. those defend demanding tax cuts. those people are so selfish and so stupid, says guy . by not stupid, says guy. by not debating the debts. by the way , debating the debts. by the way, we just talk about why do we have to have this rush to pay it off so quickly? why not ease the pain? i don't know. you give me your views gb news your thoughts. gb views gb news free

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>> hello there, michelle dewberry . 7:00. daniel moylan dewberry. 7:00. daniel moylan and james schneider remain alongside me. lots of people saying, well, why don't we just raise the personal tax threshold in this country? if you want to with tax thresholds ? et cetera. with tax thresholds? et cetera. that way everyone benefits equally. many of my viewers are saying, i'll leave you to ponder that. saying, i'll leave you to ponder that . now. the creator of father that. now. the creator of father ted , he has had his edinburgh ted, he has had his edinburgh fringe comedy show cancelled. you might be familiar with this story. it was cancelled by leaf archies. it then got a second venue. they cancelled it as well, and the venue went out, basically took place on a little stage outside of holyrood . many stage outside of holyrood. many people. i'll start with you, daniel . many people are saying daniel. many people are saying that this is all about the fact that this is all about the fact that free speech. say we've that free speech. we say we've got speech in this country, got free speech in this country, but when you start but actually when you start questioning various things or if you believe , for example, a man you believe, for example, a man is a man and a woman is a woman, and all of a sudden people get edgy, tetchy, and then

cancellation kicks in again. so do freedom of speech? do we have freedom of speech? >> have freedom of >> no, we don't have freedom of speech this country. and speech in this country. and those with those with those with power and those with control assets like theatres control of assets like theatres and with influence in and those with influence in universities have prohibited a whole load of things that were not allowed to say anymore. and some of those things are bad things . some of those things are bad things. perhaps things you shouldn't say . others are. for shouldn't say. others are. for most people, fairly straightforward that a man is a man and woman is a woman. they don't regard that as being a bad thing to say, but you can now be harassed and you can be arrested. you can be taken away for saying things like that and for saying things like that and for causing offence and a lot of this has now been put into law andifs this has now been put into law and it's called hate speech and so on. and so somebody like graham linehan finds himself on the receiving end of censorship for saying something that the vast majority of people believe it is political correctness gone totally mad. >> do you agree with that ? i >> do you agree with that? i sort of agree with the first bit and really don't agree with the

second bit. >> so i do think that our political and media discourse prevents lots of things from being said very much because either they're not in the interests of the politicians or their donors or they're not in their donors or they're not in the interests of the media companies or their owners. so you've got lots of very popular things that can't get spoken about very much in in politics or the media, like public ownership of water and energy, higher taxes to the rich, boosting the boost, the minimum wage. these things talked about all of them. no it really, really, really does. >> lost count the amount >> i've lost count of the amount of i've had of times i've had nationalisation debates the nationalisation debates on the show. example . show. for example. >> them only when i'm >> i've seen them only when i'm on. know, it's got , on. but no, you know, it's got, you know, public ownership has got of utilities is supported by between two thirds and three quarters of the population. you don't hear about that very much. we don't discuss very much how we boost you know, we could boost wages. you know, all these things. so, yes, all of these things. so, yes, powerful interests in society do set can spoken about in set what can be spoken about in the in the public sphere. and we should be conscious that. and

should be conscious of that. and that issue this that is an issue on this specific thing, don't think specific thing, i don't think that graham lane has lost his ability to speak because his show has got way more attention being not shown at whatever comedy store that they didn't want to have him on. then if he had had on there and he would probably get his own show on this channel. and, you know, he hasn't been he hasn't been silenced way. and silenced in that way. and the things he's saying, he was silent. >> whether or not he's now got a load of interest and eyeballs as an aftermath as a side an aftermath or as a side effect, that's different. he was absent or cancelled you saw absent or cancelled when you saw the statement that the the original statement that the event company put out and then here suddenly when they here suddenly deleted when they realised the backlash and change it something they were it for something else, they were categorically this categorically saying that this person's do not align person's view was do not align with their values and that is why they had cancelled this person. so he categorically was cancelled . cancelled. >> i mean, and then but he hasn't lost his voice. he hasn't lost his ability to speak. but we see these sorts of things all over the place. there are protests at drag shows. there

was a there was a film about jeremy corbyn's leadership that got banned in places. got banned in lots of places. >> so you're ignoring the fact this was absolutely this person was absolutely cancelled of his cancelled because of his opinions. what you're doing is you're saying because he then had exposure as a result of that , it's fine. it's not , then it's all fine. it's not fine. he shouldn't been fine. he shouldn't have been cancelled surely cancelled by that venue. surely you agree with that? >> i'm not saying that it's fine. that venues are fine. i do think that venues are allowed have who they want on allowed to have who they want on and if they don't want him to , really? >> so where would you draw the line then? so if a venue said for example, i'm not going to have any black people in, would you sit there and say, well, you're a private venue, you can choose who you want in no, because that's a breach of the law. but people saying that law. but but people saying that by is real. by logical sex is real. >> no, no, no , race. your >> so no, no, no, race. your your race, your identity is protected under the equalities act. your views about gender and sex aren't protected under the equality act. so one of them is

a breach of the law and the other one isn't is one of seven categories. so i said, your views, i said your views on sex and gender. >> well, there's been multiple times i said if a theatre had said tran that trans people said that tran that trans people can't appear in it or gay people can't appear in it or gay people can't appear in it or men can't appearin can't appear in it or men can't appear in it, or so on and so forth, or black people , that is forth, or black people, that is a breach of the equality act. >> if your views are something that a breach of the law. that isn't a breach of the law. so the same thing. it's so it's not the same thing. it's not an equivalent thing. >> when have been >> so when people have been they've their jobs because >> so when people have been th> so when people have been th> so when people have been th> so when people have been th> there are there are >> i think there are there are plenty of cases when employers act against their staff for things that aren't in the purview of their of their work. and as long as that isn't causing problems within the rest of their colleagues or so on and so forth, then if they're

reinstated , that's that's all reinstated, that's that's all well and good. my point overall is that, yes, we have a restricted political debate, but the political debate is not being restricted on the particular issue that his show was not shown at its original scheduled venue. that issue , the scheduled venue. that issue, the issue of views on sex and gender are well discussed in the political debate. they've had many more minutes of airtime, for example , on this programme. many more minutes of airtime, then questions of public ownership boosting pay then questions of public are much more relevant to many more people's lives than what is quite a marginal issue. >> well, i don't know . >> well, i don't know. >> well, i don't know. >> for me as a mom, i can tell you right now, this whole gender ideology ideology in ideology and trans ideology in schools think is to going schools that i think is to going reach or i fear would reach my child and affect his life and future. that me way more future. that for me is way more of interest. earns my of interest. and who earns my water but maybe that's water supply. but maybe that's just you might have a just me. you might have a different view. but i'll tell you will different view. but i'll tell y0lagree will

different view. but i'll tell y0l agree on. will different view. but i'll tell y0l agree on. we'll will different view. but i'll tell y0l agree on. we'll end will different view. but i'll tell y0lagree on. we'll end on will all agree on. we'll end on a positive high. the lionesses this weekend. whatever think positive high. the lionesses thiwomen's d. whatever think positive high. the lionesses thiwomen's football, ver think positive high. the lionesses thiwomen's football, it's think of women's football, it's fantastic that we've got to this stage of a world cup, isn't it? we'll discuss

hello there. i'm michel jubeir. with you till 7:00 tonight alongside the tory live pair in the house of lords, daniel moylan and the former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider . jeremy corbyn, james schneider. linda said, can you ask james to smile, please? because i don't think he ever does. one is on air with you, and i bet he's got air with you, and i bet he's got a smile to die for. there you 90, a smile to die for. there you go, linda. i'll let you be the judge of whether or not that is a smile to die for. dewberry tavern is open, so cheers, everybody. happy to everybody. and happy friday to you . hm. everybody. and happy friday to you. hm. which everybody. and happy friday to you . hm. which leads everybody. and happy friday to you. hm. which leads me very nicely to my final , final topic nicely to my final, final topic , which can only be can't it? i was going to get daniel moylan to get older. they say, go on, daniel , get to get older. they say, go on, daniel, get hold of it up, will

you, this weekend? and of course, what am i doing? what am i talking about? the lionesses. so i'm wondering, you be in so i'm wondering, will you be in the sunday morning giving the pub on sunday morning giving it of england? england it a bit of england? england england, will you, daniel? >> i'll be watching it. i think i'll watch it from home. >> will you be draped rather than pub? than the pub? >> i don't. i dress up >> but i don't. i may dress up if you let me have one of these. if you let me have one of these. i may actually wear this on sunday on the sofa, but it will be in private. i will not be sharing with anybody else. sharing it with anybody else. well, know, i won't even well, you know, i won't even photograph well, you know, i won't even ptht'sraph well, you know, i won't even ptht's a)h well, you know, i won't even ptht's a private. >> it's a private. >> it's a private. >> it's a very private dressing up i cheer them on up experience as i cheer them on to victory , which i know is to victory, which i know is certain . certain. >> go on. the lionesses. are you to going be watching it? >> yeah. and hopefully in the pub. >> in the pub, yes. as well. give me the thing. me just give me the thing. let me just go just. go on. just. >> yeah. suck it up, james. >> go on. see, look, he's getting into the swing of it. it was that linda. linda you see, you were saying you think he never smiles. he smiles. he's got england flag. he's got a great england flag. he's getting patriotic. news getting all patriotic. gb news is rubbing off him. like

it. >> come it.- >> come on. »- >> come on. >> give you a couple of days. you'll be voting tory. you'll be wondering. i think that's extraordinarily unlikely. well, you never see it. >> the most anti patriotic party in the country. they don't look after the interest of ordinary people to sabotage my good my good feel good end to the show. >> i do have a confession to make. i will not be watching the game live on sunday. i must confess, my little boy has got a birthday party, which i have to take him to, so i'll have to watch it on catch . watch it on catch. >> do you think there'll be any other children at the birthday party? they'll all be what they'll all have. there'll be a screen the corner. screen in the corner. >> i know if there will >> i don't know if there will be, you know, but it also football, i think. >> anti >> no, they're not anti football. but think this is football. but i think this is really, you know, there's lot really, you know, there's a lot of doom and gloom in society at the moment. there's a lot of political and political difference and disconnection. lot of disconnection. there's a lot of division the it. division and all the rest of it. but something this, it is but something like this, it is something everybody, something that unites everybody, even a massive even if you're not a massive football doesn't really football fan, it doesn't really matter surely england matter because surely england reaching finals of anything,

quite brilliant, quite frankly, is brilliant, isn't it? >> it's great. >> yeah, it's great. it's unambiguously good and people are it. are really getting behind it. i think that the viewing figures for the semi—final something for the semi—final was something like people. it's like 7.5 million people. it's going to much more for the going to be much more for the final and it's great to win and we've got a really great team will win. i think we've i think we're favourites. >> what's your prediction score. prediction. i'm going to write this down. so i remember this down. so i can remember score prediction 3—1 england 3—1 england and i'm 2—0 two nil. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> do you remember this political harold wilson always thought he won the 1966 general election off the back of the world cup, didn't he? >> if this could be the same, this could be sunak's. >> that could be a snap general election. go to the polls in election. we go to the polls in september on the back of the. >> what do you think? i think that's very unlikely. >> rishi back in control. >> rishi back in control. >> i think large majority. >> i think large majority. >> i think he'll try to do a sort of failing viral tiktok video where he's like he's on the phone to maria saying, you know, well that was that know, well done. that was that was good . good

goalkeeping. >> what were short trousers >> what were the short trousers 7 >> what were the short trousers ? he'll tremendous. he's ? no, he'll be tremendous. he's a tiktok one my a great tiktok videos one of my viewers keith he sent a little picture in for us can we have a look at that? >> oh, there you go . it's >> oh, there you go. it's saying, meanwhile in the house of commons bar on sunday morning, you've got dave, you've got starmer, you've got sunak in a in a lumberjack shirt. i'm not sure i'd ever see that day. there's a lot of talk about whether or not pubs should be serving alcohol at 10:00 on sunday morning. do you think they should? >> it's a difficulty, >> well, it's a difficulty, isn't it? because they'd to isn't it? because they'd have to break. would be break. many of them would be breaking their breaking the conditions of their licence. think they should they >> do you think they should they want a serious consequence for the landlord and why should we be landlords put be pressing landlords to put their and their livelihoods their jobs and their livelihoods at risk ? at risk? >> e“- e want to get into >> because we want to get into the pub early. >> because we want to get into the dob early. >> because we want to get into the do you rly. >> because we want to get into the do you think they should >> do you think they should serve booze? bit earlier on serve booze? a bit earlier on sunday a special occasion? >> i think it should be allowed to, fact is it's all to, but the fact is it's all happened quickly, nobody happened so quickly, nobody seems have thought we might seems to have thought we might do. people not think do. why did people not think about so the necessary about this? so the necessary

time sort hasn't been allowed time sort of hasn't been allowed to amend either amend the legislation or to amend the licences to allow the landlords to open up earlier than they normally would. >> maybe they just being >> maybe they were just being pessimistic and didn't think they'd done. they'd reach done. >> i'm i mean, not >> i'm sure. i mean, not remotely have been pessimistic >> i'm sure. i mean, not remot> i'm sure. i mean, not remot> i'm sure. i mean, not remot> i'm sure. i mean, not remot> think were the >> i think they were the favourite. very, very high favourite. but very, very high hopes and somebody really should have it. blame have thought about it. i blame michael no michael gove. there's no absolutely department of levelling up homes and communities who should have been out there extending licences , out there extending licences, passing statutory instruments and doing all this back into life. >> oh, there's gordon in essex. he's saying, i do wish the lionesses every success and i am fully behind them. come fully behind them. but come on, it's proper football. it's not proper football. michelle oh, god, i cannot . michelle oh, god, i cannot. people groaning. i can hear it. ken says, i love watching ladies football. my granddaughters play and they are these women are an inspiration to them . inspiration to them. >> i love look, you know, i love ladies football. >> i say this go on lionesses. you can bring it home and you

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