news senior political gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. they are to going make sparks fly. you don't want to miss this one. before we get started, though, let's get the latest news headunes let's get the latest news headlines from the lovely polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> don't. thank you. good afternoon. the top story from the gp newsroom today. 509 miles. patients crossed the channelin miles. patients crossed the channel in ten small boats yesterday . that brings the total yesterday. that brings the total for number the year so far to more than 16,500. that's according to home office figures . and it comes as the government is under renewed pressure to tackle the migrant crisis after six people died crossing the engush six people died crossing the english channel yesterday. the home secretary, suella braverman, described the incident as a tragic loss of life and confirmed she's already chaired a meeting with border force officials . campaigners say force officials. campaigners say the incident was an appalling and preventable tragedy . k and preventable tragedy. k marsh, whose manager and support

coordinator at the migrant charity samphire, says that there are safe and legal ways for migrants to come to britain are not. >> a lot of people do know what the options for safe legal routes are, but of course we use humanitarian visas with the ukrainian situation , people were ukrainian situation, people were brought here safely legally brought here safely and legally , never having to navigate the asylum system or get into a small boat. so it can done. small boat. so it can be done. we do have have mechanisms available, but they're very , available, but they're very, very they don't catch very narrow and they don't catch everyone that is allowed to be here. so it's we know now that nothing is going to work, nothing is going to work, nothing is going to work, nothing is going to deter people . so we need to start looking at how them safely and how we get them here safely and process them quickly . process them quickly. >> people in scotland and in wales could soon be able to get access to nhs treatment they needin access to nhs treatment they need in england. all in order to cut long waiting lists . as the cut long waiting lists. as the health secretary, steve barclay , says he's open to requests and he's invited both scottish and wealth. welsh health ministers to discuss how all parts of the

uk could coordinate to tackle waiting times in wales , more waiting times in wales, more than 73,000 people have been waiting over a year and a half for treatment and at least 21,500 people in scotland have been waiting for about the same time period for their appointments. secretary of state for wales david davis says everyone should have access to the health care they need and is a national health service. >> and there's a clue in the name there and everyone across the united kingdom is paying the same amount towards the same amount of tax towards the nhs is therefore nhs and it is therefore manifestly wrong that some people in parts of the united kingdom are waiting over two years treatment would years for treatment that would never frankly, the never happen where, frankly, the conservatives running the nhs. and we're offering to give and so we're offering to give patients wales the same patients in wales the same rights they get in rights that they would get in england, to, they're england, which is to, if they're prepared can go prepared to travel, they can go to any hospital can offer to any hospital which can offer them need . them the treatment they need. >> the government is to bring forward changes to regulations around single sex toilets in pubuc around single sex toilets in public spaces, all new non domestic, public and private dwellings will be required to

provide separate single sex toilets for men and women or a self contained private toilet as a minimum. women and equalities minister kemi badenoch says gender neutral toilets have removed the right for privacy in pubuc removed the right for privacy in public facilities and the new regulations will protect the dignity and safety of all. his majesty . the king says he's majesty. the king says he's horrified over the devastation caused by wildfires engulfing the hawaiian island of maui . and the hawaiian island of maui. and he's offered his condolences to those affected. local sources in maui have confirmed at least 93 people have perished, so far, making it the deadliest us wildfire in more than a century. with the number of dead expected to rise as more bodies are found, search teams with sniffer dogs sifted through the ruins of lahaina four days after a fast moving blaze levelled the historic resort town, obliterating buildings and melting vehicles.

obliterating buildings and melting vehicles . robert kennedy melting vehicles. robert kennedy jr, melting vehicles. robert kennedy jr , whose father and uncle were jr, whose father and uncle were both assassins , noted because of both assassins, noted because of their political views . his both assassins, noted because of their political views. his bid to run as the democratic candidate for us president in 2020. his uncle, president john f kennedy, was assassins in 1963, as was his father while running for the democratic president nomination in 68. robert kennedy jr is the fifth member of his family to run for president of the united states and is aware of the risks of running for office. >> i think all of it, everybody in my family is aware of the risk, but , in my family is aware of the risk, but, you in my family is aware of the risk, but , you know, in my family is aware of the risk, but, you know, i think , risk, but, you know, i think, you know, life is filled with risks . so and you know, life is filled with risks. so and i think once cheryl was convinced that that there was a path to victory and that i think she felt like , you that i think she felt like, you know, because i have a passion

to do this, to solve some of these problems for our country. and i'm in a unique position to be able to do that, that it's she gave me the green light . she gave me the green light. >> robert f kennedy junior speaking there. you're with gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news . saying play gb news. this is britain's news. channel right .7 britain's news. channel right.7 >> okay. welcome back. before we get stuck into our debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my wonderful panel. very excited this. it's going excited about this. it's going to feisty. joining me to be very feisty. joining me today is former brexit party mep mep ben habib and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . welcome to both of you. nelson. welcome to both of you. they'll be going head to head and sparks will fly. so here's what else is coming up today. has the government lost control of our borders with a tragedy in the channel yesterday and the

government doubling down on the use of barges, the tories use of barges, are the tories out of ideas? does anyone have alternatives, though? and it's not just the crisis in the channelis not just the crisis in the channel, is it? with billions of pounds of support for refugees from kong? why from ukraine and hong kong? why have we left behind those who helped our troops in afghanistan? losing the afghanistan? are we losing the war on? woke a lesbian organiser of a speed dating event, especially for lesbians is accused of transphobia after banning people with penises. is that's men for you? whatever happened to common sense ? happened to common sense? another backflip from sir keir starmer as well. and who has scrapped labour's commitment to rolling out clean air zones across the country? there's more flip flops from brighton beach, isn't he? and the way we are treated, our young people during covid is finally coming back to haunt us as unprepared . students haunt us as unprepared. students quit university courses in droves, drop out rates in some courses, hitting 30. and later on in the show, we'll play another clip from the gb news

exclusive interview with united states presidential candidate robert f kennedy jr. that's all coming up in the next hour. so tell me what you think about everything we're discussing by emailing me at gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. okay, let's kick at. gb news. okay, let's kick off this afternoon with the big story of the day, the one we're all talking about, all our newspapers, the border crisis in the channel, some tory backbenchers have accused the home office of incompr pittance after 39 asylum seekers who boarded the bibby stockholm were are transferred to alternative accommodation on friday after traces of legionella bacteria were found in the on board water system . despite this, there are system. despite this, there are plans to extend the government's fleet of barges . the news comes fleet of barges. the news comes as six people died and more than 50 were rescued from a capsized boat crossing the channel in the early hours of saturday morning.

so has the government lost control or are they just fresh out of ideas? does anyone have the answers? so let's find out what answers. my panel will come up with. again, it is former brexit party mep ben habib and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . okay, commentator nigel nelson. okay, so this the front page is of the papers have the awful tragic story. gentlemen of what happenedin story. gentlemen of what happened in the channel and the fact that you know six people lost their lives, 50 people were saved. but there are still some missing. i mean, presumably this length of time, it's not going to good news. and there were to be good news. and there were children on this boat as well. to be good news. and there were chito en on this boat as well. to be good news. and there were chito wake this boat as well. to be good news. and there were chito wake up s boat as well. to be good news. and there were chito wake up to boat as well. to be good news. and there were chito wake up to some; well. to be good news. and there were chito wake up to some ofell. to be good news. and there were chito wake up to some of the so to wake up to some of the suggestions , ones that the suggestions, ones that the government are coming up with about how to tackle this crisis , including more barges , it's , including more barges, it's just it's just so frustrating. and when you think people are risking their lives ltns, what is the answer to this question?

we keep going and we keep debating. meanwhile, people keep dying and people still keep making money out of these poor souls. nigel, i'm going to come to you first. what what do you make of this? it's just it well, i mean, the first thing they're you're linking it with the barges there. >> the first thing there is that the biggest deterrent, you would think for crossing the channel is the fact could be killed is the fact you could be killed in it. and what was astonishing yesterday after this tragedy was another 500 people then crossed oven another 500 people then crossed over. so it's hard to see that barges or going to rwanda or any of those gimmicks that the government keep coming up with will actually be a deterrent. these people are determined to get here. >> well, this is the one story i was shocked by today . i mean, was shocked by today. i mean, obviously, the awful tragedy was was shocking enough. but then for the sunday telegraph to carry a story that the government are suggesting more barges to solve this problem. well, , it won't mean,

well, i mean, it won't i mean, the point of the barge is, is to cut down on the £6 million a day cost of hotels for migrants. >> yes . we must cut down on the >> yes. we must cut down on the cost barges are not the right way to do it. what the government needs to do is to cut the 173,000 backlog, which is up from 19,000in 2010. for instance , cut the backlog by employing more caseworkers as rishi sunak promised. he said we should have 2500. we haven't . if you cut the 2500. we haven't. if you cut the backlog , you reduce the hotel bill. >> ben, that's not going to happen overnight, though, is it? we still have 500 people a day. i mean, 750 the other day crossing the channel. >> that's one and a half barges in one day. >> exactly. so we need about 200, i think, in by about the end of next month, the barges are a red herring. >> what we need to look at is at the root of the problem here and the root of the problem here and the root of the problem is obviously france, because they're coming. >> france has illegal migration of about 180,000 people, a year,

in part in significant part because the eu operates an open border schengen zone. >> so once people enter the european union in italy or greece, they can come straight into france. that's part of it. that's a significant part of the problem. >> this is the france. we paid 500 million, so we paid £50 million three years ago, £55 million three years ago, £55 million two years ago, £63 million two years ago, £63 million last year. >> and now we've agreed to pay half £1 billion. and the more people they send over, the more money we pay them. actually, what we've done is create the reinforced enforcement of bad behaviour . reinforced enforcement of bad behaviour. they reinforced enforcement of bad behaviour . they know that if behaviour. they know that if this problem accelerates, not only do they get rid of more people to the united kingdom, but actually we'll end up paying them even more. but yesterday's what are they doing with the money, ben well, i mean, no doubt it's going in the back pockets of government pockets of french government somewhere. i'm not suggesting there's any impropriety going on, it's certainly leaving on, but it's certainly leaving our taxpayer pockets and not not delivering the effect that we

wish of it . wish of it. >> but, you know, yesterday is shocking as it was what it revealed was that the entire process of crossing the channel is a pantomime . and i say it's is a pantomime. and i say it's a pantomime because up and down the french beach go french police officers occasion finally slashing a dinghy. but the minute the dinghy gets into the water, it's got french naval escort. the these dinghies carrying 70 people capsize ized in the presence of french naval boats . and it was because they boats. and it was because they were in proximity to these boats that actually the vast majority of them got rescued . and the of them got rescued. and the other thing that from which you can only conclude it's a pantomime is that rnli crossed over into french waters. brits ships crossed over into french waters, helped rescue these people and then brought them back to the united kingdom . they back to the united kingdom. they should have been taken back to france. they they were a rescue

attempt . they were in french attempt. they were in french waters five miles off the french coast . it was much quicker to coast. it was much quicker to deposit them back in france, provided there was a medical care at the other end to actually actually deal with them because nigel nigel and nigel, most of them went back to france. >> so what you there was >> so what you had there was a rescue operation in cooperation with british and french rnli doing it. who are the experts at rescue who they argue that the best way of actually getting medical help to those people was to speed them straight back to the whole thing is a pantomime . the whole thing is a pantomime. >> um if they really wanted to stop the boats what we would have seen yesterday is these being these people being taken back to france , the notion that back to france, the notion that they can't get adequate medical help and we can help in france and we can somehow deliver it seamlessly when they landed, you're doing the with a pretty major disaster i >> -- >> we weren't just talking about six people who drowned the french coast, therefore, 20 miles. we were talking we were talking we were talking about a boat container. around 70

people. here's this boat people. so here's this boat capsizing. the french and the british do what they're meant to do. they get together to sort out a rescue operation . the out a rescue operation. the majority of those people end up going back to france as ben ben would like. >> no, no, no, they didn't. the majority came the united kingdom. >> the majority went to rewrite what happened yesterday. >> but the thing >> nigel no, but the thing is, the majority ended up ended up in it is a pantomime. the majority ended up ended up in the it is a pantomime. the majority ended up ended up in the idea,s a pantomime. the majority ended up ended up in the idea, the pantomime. the majority ended up ended up in the idea, the idea»mime. the majority ended up ended up in the idea, the idea that e. the majority ended up ended up in the idea, the idea that in but the idea, the idea that in the middle of a sea rescue, you actually about actually start thinking about the diplomatic niceties of a diplomatic where people are actually going. >> and what you do is you go out there and you save lives. >> you go out and you save lives and you take them back to the nearest land that you nearest point of land that you can. came to united can. and they came to the united kingdom, why it's kingdom, and that's why it's a pantomime. have no form kingdom, and that's why it's a pa deterrence have no form kingdom, and that's why it's a pa deterrence in have no form kingdom, and that's why it's a pa deterrence in the have no form kingdom, and that's why it's a pa deterrence in the united 0 form of deterrence in the united kingdom. deterrence kingdom. there is no deterrence we around £50,000 a year we spend around £50,000 a year per migrant . the french spend per migrant. the french spend about £5,000 a year. and if you need one statistic to evidence, why they're incentivised to make that journey across the channel, it's the fact that they're ten

times better off in the uk than they are in france . well, in they are in france. well, in france, in france they will get processed in half the time. >> they're already in france. >> they're already in france. >> they're already in france. >> they're 15.5 to >> they're taking 15.5 months to even process them. >> here. there is again the cost of bill. >> here. there is again the cost of there bill. >> here. there is again the cost of there is bill. >> here. there is again the cost of there is only one solution. >> there is only one solution. there is only one solution to this problem. and that is to actually physically stop the boats. we have to have the equivalent of the australian operation sovereign borders that they had in 2013, which worked extremely well. and when people recognise this is it, they could not make it across, make it across into australia is a nonsense. >> the boats stopped the australian system was completely different from the one we're facing here. you were talking about 150 miles between. it makes no difference and australia, it makes no difference. well, of course it makes a difference. absolutely no difference. boats are no difference. the boats are bigger , so the boats are more bigger, so the boats are more seaworthy . thee. and they can be seaworthy. thee. and they can be they can be turned around by the australian navy. cannot australian navy. the idea cannot turn around a little dinghy with a big destroyer that is utter

nonsense. >> you develop a you develop a specific sick, well trained , specific sick, well trained, bespoke border force that is trained to deliver that result . trained to deliver that result. and how does that happen? >> tell me tell me how. >> tell me tell me how. >> i don't need to tell you how it would happen because it can't happen. >> of course, these are these are disabled that are told in sinking. >> disable the motor and you >> you disable the motor and you and you put someone the and you you put someone on the boat you take them back to france. >> right. so. so you would take them back to france from british waters? okay so when waters? absolutely. okay so when the french say say to us, well, hang a sec. we've got our own hang on a sec. we've got our own problems, as you've pointed out, with seekers . they have with asylum seekers. they have many more asylum seekers than we do . so last thing they want do. so the last thing they want is attract more by getting is to attract more by getting them across. but they'll be saying, hey, they don't come to calais to look around and enjoy the come to calais the sights. they come to calais to to britain. what the to get to britain. what the french can do say, well, french can do is say, well, we'll you. then we'll we'll help you. then we'll deposit want deposit the ones who want to come to on british come to britain on the british coast. how would you like that? >> so what you are saying thing,

which hope you're saying, is which i hope you're saying, is that money the french that paying money to the french is complete waste time is a complete waste of time because will at least because on that we will at least agree the french are part of the problem . and as as our problem. and as long as our government thinking that government keeps thinking that france potential solution france is a potential solution to this problem, there is no hope of us getting ahead of it. we have recognise france is we have to recognise france is part of the problem. these people cross the people are going to cross the channel with the help of the french. to take french. we need to take unilateral british unilateral determined british action and that is the only way we have a right under international law to protect our borders. absolutely and we are not protecting our borders . i not protecting our borders. i don't disagree with that . don't disagree with that. speeding up asylum applications is going to stop it. >> the asylum, the asylum seekers who are coming to britain and are not actually france's problem. that is why we are france's problem. >> they're not. >> they're not. >> they're not. >> they're just passing through france as they through france as they pass through a load of other countries on the way to getting there. >> this is an absolute nonsensical argument. >> if we're talking about europe as a whole, the eu don't have a problem greece operating problem with greece operating

that they push that push back where they push migrants trying to get across the mediterranean into turkish waters. do have a waters. but they do have a problem with what we're doing. so wondering, is it in so i'm just wondering, is it in the stop the eu's interest to stop migrants getting into the eu countries? but they're more than happy see them come across happy to see them come across from into from the eu countries into britain ? britain? >> well, i think they're not happy because that attracts them to come through europe. so the problem is a europe wide problem. it's a global problem. so the last the last thing that france wants is for a load of migrants to pass through their country because they want to come to britain. >> pushed back boats , >> if we pushed back the boats, the french closed their borders , the italians closed their borders , the italian governments borders, the italian governments and the greek government back the boats. >> we're the same >> we're back to the same problem. >> can i just finish? haven't >> can i just finish? i haven't finished. if the italian government backbone, government developed a backbone, the developed a the greek government developed a backbone. some backbone. they actually had some proper procedures of proper push back procedures of their this would their own. this problem would stop. their own. this problem would st0|gentlemen , on there on that >> gentlemen, on there on that word stop . i have to stop you word stop. i have to stop you for now. wow it's certainly getting. >> thank you for refereeing. >> thank you for refereeing. >> it's certainly getting hot in

here, it? you're dawn here, isn't it? you're with dawn neesom your tv neesom on gb news, on your tv and digital radio. so still and on digital radio. so still to come. yes, there's more . to come. yes, there's more. another trans a lesbian another trans route, a lesbian speed dating event criticised as trans phobic for excluding people with penises or men as we used to call them. but first, it's hot in here. let's go and find what the weather's find out what the weather's doing find out what the weather's doiithat warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there . i'm greg >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . looking ahead, rain on monday, particularly across england and wales as low pressure moves through. but it does gradually turn warmer and drier and we can see that on the bigger picture, low pressure dominating the weather next few weather pattern the next few days. then high pressure days. but then high pressure building we head towards building in as we head towards wednesday . so for sunday, wednesday. so for sunday, starting to go downhill across england and wales as we move through the rest of the day and into the early hours as this wet weather spreads slowly north and

eastwards, some heavy rain developing, particularly across eastwards, some heavy rain devel�*wales particularly across eastwards, some heavy rain devel�*wales into cularly across eastwards, some heavy rain devel�*wales into northern:ross north wales into northern england. by the end of the night. and here we could see some localised flooding. a met office warning in force drier for northern ireland and scotland. temperatures generally remaining figures. so remaining in double figures. so that wet weather first thing across wales . across england and wales. outbreaks of rain pushing outbreaks of heavy rain pushing north and eastwards we could see some localised flooding issues but gradually become but it just gradually become dner but it just gradually become drier and brighter from the west . the afternoon, northern . by the afternoon, northern ireland and scotland a brighter day here. mixture of sunny spells scattered showers in spells and scattered showers in the best of any sunshine, temperatures reaching around 21 or 22 celsius. but if you're stuck under the cloud and the rain, it will feel on the chilly side that rain does push away by tuesday it start to then tuesday, it does start to then brighten up. we've got plenty of sunny spells for the ahead. sunny spells for the day ahead. a scattering showers a scattering of showers largely across and the west of across the north and the west of the uk and into wednesday and thursday. that high pressure continues build in plenty of continues to build in plenty of dry spells dry weather, sunny spells and temperatures rising . temperatures rising. >> that warm feeling inside from

boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. well come back. >> the weather's not too bad, is it, in the end? right. okay. now we are going on to an equally hot topic with my great panellist , hot topic with my great panellist, nigel nelson and ben habib, who are still here and still talking to one another. it probably won't last, so hang around. but this next topic is really a hot one as well. and this is the trans debate right now. a lesbian who organised a speed dating and a speed dating weekly event for fellow lesbian djs in a pub in london has been accused of transphobia and reported to her employers because she put an advert for her event out saying that it was for women adult only females who were lesbian and didn't want any men there . which makes sense men there. which makes sense because the lesbians and the one thing lesbians don't really need

is, well, penises, do they ? they is, well, penises, do they? they like women. so this has caused all sorts of problems . so now we all sorts of problems. so now we are to going get our debate going on that one just after this break. but you really need to hang around because it's going to get as spicy as the last one was. so it's dawn neesom on gb news and on tv and on digital radio. so adverts,

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news. the people's channel. britain's news. channel >> welcome back. happy sunday afternoon. you're dawn neesom on gb news on tv and on digital radio. now let's have a look about what you're being saying about what you're being saying about what you're being saying about what we've done so far, which is basically have a feisty row in the studio. so now we all know problem could solved know the problem could be solved tomorrow would agree tomorrow if macron would agree tomorrow if macron would agree to immediate return migrants to immediate return of migrants arriving so why does arriving in the uk. so why does the echr and eu turned a blind eye to this fact? meanwhile, angela says, let me tell you who's to blame for the deaths of these people. the sitting government, to hold on government, labour to hold on don't understand that charities doing charities will enable them. i think charities trying to work meanwhile, jane them. i think charities trying to w

lesbian speed dating event has been accused of transphobia and reported to her employers after banning people with penises from her event. organise chairjenny her event. organise chair jenny watson posted if you are male , watson posted if you are male, please refrain from coming along well. why would you? in any case, it's the lesbian making the point. the event was for the protection segregated protection of sex segregated spaces lesbian ms spaces for lesbian women. ms watson told the mail on sunday last year , a person turned up last year, a person turned up sporting a purple latex outfit and an erection. sorry, i said that on a sunday afternoon. right. okay now, welcome again to my panel , the lovely former to my panel, the lovely former brexit party mep ben habib, and the equally lovely gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, who will be going head to head. i'm not sure i should use that phrase on this subject . subject. >> i'm sorry . >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. it's >> i'm sorry. it's a >> i'm sorry. it's a sunday. >> i'm sorry. it's a sunday. i'm sorry. i'm going to say a few hail mary's for that one. right. let's come to you first, nigel, on this one. what do you make of this story? well i'm actually with organiser, jenny with the organiser, jenny watson, on this one.

>> i, i think that a trans woman is a woman. that's the first thing. however i is a woman. that's the first thing. howeveri also. thing. however i also. >> so this is the old woman can happiness thing. >> i think that a woman can have a penis. yes however, i'm also in favour of safe spaces for women and men. hence the latest thing the government have done about insisting that you will have of now proper men and women's toilets and proper gender neutral toilets. yes i'm in favour of in the same way here for i think that a lesbian on dating site should be a safe space for women who want to go to that . and it seems to me that to that. and it seems to me that they don't want to actually turn up and find a penis there. >> but hold on, hold on, hold on. you said said women can on. you said you said women can have if a woman have penises. so if a woman with a penis trans woman a penis is a trans woman identifies as a lesbian, surely you should be allowed to take a penis along if she if she identifies as a lesbian and forms a relation ship on that basis, that's fine too.

>> i think she i think that women who are to going a speed dating site like this do not expect that and that should be a safe space for them. >> so, ben, what do you make of this? >> well, i don't think women have penises. first of all, this is the chat you've just had with nigel. evidence is how the engush nigel. evidence is how the english language has been completely out this completely hollowed out by this completely hollowed out by this completely terminology . a completely false terminology. a man who identify size as a woman, which is entirely his prerogative. nevertheless is still a man. he is not a woman. he carries a penis in large, in large numbers, in his handbag, in his handbag, or wherever he may put it, depending on, you know, the length and breadth of it. all but hey , but the. so it. all but hey, but the. so sorry. just getting back to the point, it was your imagery, dawn, that sent me down a sorry , let's just get back to the a man who identifies as a woman is not a trans woman. he's not a woman. he is a trans man. he's

still a man. he's a man who identifies as a woman is still a man. he may identify as a woman, but he's still a man. and as long as you can come to terms with the logical rigour of what i've just said , the idiocy of i've just said, the idiocy of the example that you've just given, of this chap turning up to a lesbian event simply wouldn't occur. and while i'm on the subject , the socialist thing the subject, the socialist thing is a general neutral toilet toilets are not gender neutral. they're either male female or they're unisex. for both sexes to go , they're the same thing. to go, they're the same thing. no gender neutral suggests anyone going to this toilet doesn't have a gender. there neutral? >> no, i think i think you're bending the language. >> the language is being deliberately hygiene and used in a way that justifies lies. the kind of ridiculous actions that we've just been discussing, like a man dressing up in latex with with excited in a state of excitement, shall i say. and

you're you're confused. >> you're confusing. two things there, which is biological sex, where i agree with you that that cannot be changed. and gender. i'm not and i'm not at all. or if you are and under the gender recognition act, you can change your birth certificate , your your birth certificate, your driving licence, but you're passport, but you're still a man . well, not, not, not under the law and not officially on documents . your language has documents. your language has been. >> and we've allowed the narrative to get established. we've gone away from the fundamental truth that a man is a man and a woman is a woman. >> i'm going to have to hijack this conversation as well. as much as i would love to listen to for the rest of the to you for the rest of the afternoon, this is fascinating, isn't it? you're dawn isn't it? you're with dawn neesom and neesom on gb news, on tv and digital radio coming up in the show, we'll be continue talking about trans gender, show, we'll be continue talking about tand gender, show, we'll be continue talking about tand more er, show, we'll be continue talking about tand more .r, show, we'll be continue talking about tand more . oh, my god, bathrooms and more. oh, my god, where am i going with this? more on i'm asking on great bridge day. i'm asking is politics far? is gender politics gone too far? you'll thoughts of you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, hamilton and panel, christine hamilton and danny ifs

danny kelly. but first, it's time for the news headlines . time for the news headlines. >> it's 332. >> it's 332. >> i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom . newsroom. >> 509 migrants crossed the channelin >> 509 migrants crossed the channel in ten small boats yesterday, bringing the total for the year so far to more than 16,500. that's according to the latest home office figures. >> it comes as the government is under renewed pressure to tackle the migrant crisis after six people died yesterday crossing the channel. >> home secretary suella braverman described the incident as a tragic loss of life. >> she chaired a meeting with border force teams , officials, border force teams, officials, campaigners also say the incident was an appalling and preventable tragedy, while mps from all parties are calling for action to stop criminal gangs profiting from the dangerous journeys , poor people in journeys, poor people in scotland and wales could soon be able to get access to nhs treatment they need in england to cut long waiting lists. >> the health secretary, steve barclay, says he's open to

requests and is inviting both scottish and welsh health ministers to discuss how all parts of the uk can tackle waiting times . waiting times. >> in wales, more than 73,000 people have been waiting more than a year and a half for treatment and more than 21,000 people in scotland would have been waiting for about the same penod been waiting for about the same period of time for an appointment . a a memorial appointment. a a memorial service for the 25th anniversary of the omagh shooting is the omagh bombing is taking place in northern ireland. 29 people died in the 1998 real ira car bomb attack. it was the greatest single loss of life in the history of the troubles. no one has been convicted of carrying out the attack . labour has out the attack. labour has pledged to recruit more than 6500 new teachers in a plan to tackle regional recruitment gaps. tackle regional recruitment gaps- supply tackle regional recruitment gaps. supply teacher spending has doubled in the last year. labour says its recruitment plan to create more opportunities for young people would more than fail. teacher vacancies and

temporarily filled roles, giving stability for children worst affected by teacher vacancies . affected by teacher vacancies. and our website has more on many of our top stories. this gb news dot com. that's it for the moment. we'll be back in just under half an hour. now it's over to dawn . over to dawn. >> thank you, aaron. now, don't go anywhere. there's so much more to come. really is lots of debate , that's for sure in our debate, that's for sure in our head to head clash of minds. joining me today is former brexit party mep ben habib and gb senior political gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . commentator nigel nelson. they're still here, still talking. i have a group hug later. that's all coming up very soon. don't go too

>> join the live desk on gb news. the people's channel. britain's news . news. the people's channel. britain's news. channel >> welcome back. you're with dawn neesom on gb news and on digital radio. now we're returning to the hot issue of the day . all your papers are the day. all your papers are covering this issue. one way or another. migration thousands of afghans are still waiting to know whether they will be brought to safety in the uk two years after the fall of kabul, there are still 18,000 unique applications for those who say they work alongside our troops and over 3000 afghans who have been approved for relocation. still remain stranded in that country in hiding in fear for their lives . the prime minister their lives. the prime minister is being encouraged to

personally intervene with the failure for flying in the face of the government's 2021 pledge to shift heaven and earth their words to move people out of afghanistan . now, ben and nigel afghanistan. now, ben and nigel are still with me. i know it's a miracle and i hate to go back to the subject of migration with i'm just going to put my tin hat on duck. basically ben, we'll come to you first. i mean, this is appalling, it? i mean, is appalling, isn't it? i mean, these migrants that these are migrants that we really looking really do need to be looking after, and we're not. >> i mean, the whole afghanistan intervention appalling. if intervention is appalling. if i just quickly go back to 2001, when george bush said president of the us at the time, said that they weren't going to waste, you know, $2 million cruise missiles on bombing a desert in afghanistan and wind the clock 22 forward. only had 22 years forward. not only had they wasted millions of dollars on cruise missiles, they've wasted. i think we collectively in west wasted $2.5 trillion in the west wasted $2.5 trillion fighting a war which actually had no net, no net change,

change to afghanistan. it was a defunct state when we entered and it was a and we left it in a dysfunctional state. and in the process , you know, we talk about process, you know, we talk about the difficulties of the afghans who wish to come to the united kingdom because they work with our troops in the process. 2.8 million afghans have been displaced from afghanistan into pakistan. and just imagine what that does, not just for the economic burden of pakistan, but also for the social fabric and the impact and all the rest of it. that happens when you get that kind of massive migration happen. but coming to the point we have settled somewhere between 20 and 30,000 afghani afghan nationals in the united kingdom , even though we had that kingdom, even though we had that ignominious overnight exit effectively from afghanistan , effectively from afghanistan, which was shocking to behold, that any any country that had occupied another country for 22 years could just suddenly up and leave overnight . it was leave overnight. it was a shocking way to leave afghanistan . but we have

afghanistan. but we have resettled 20 to 30,000 people. there is a program for bringing people from afghanistan to the uk , but of course, afghanistan uk, but of course, afghanistan is a fail state with which we have cut off ties. so giving effect to that program is challenging . and a lot of the challenging. and a lot of the people in pakistan, a lot of the afghans in pakistan are not recognised by the pakistani government as having right to government as having a right to be so they're kind in be there. so they're kind of in the shadows. be there. so they're kind of in the sha�*frightened leave >> the frightened to leave the hotels, them, case hotels, many of them, in case they like get arrested they sort of like get arrested and up. absolutely nigel, and locked up. absolutely nigel, this is appalling. to be this is appalling. we seem to be able out the ukraine able to sort out the ukraine situation straight away with able to sort out the ukraine situawith straight away with able to sort out the ukraine situawith migrants, vay with able to sort out the ukraine situawith migrants, vay \know, with with migrants, you know, coming here and being looked after properly. that wasn't an issue. why is there still issue. so why is there still this problem with the people that actually helped us in afghan ? afghan? >> yes, you'd wonder why the british trusted again to british will be trusted again to actually , in the we're actually, in the event we're involved in another foreign war. absolutely that the this absolutely right that the this one we've messed up that the ukrainian program has worked really well. the hong kong program, these are the safe and legal routes, the government

keep talking about. that's worked very well. if you remember, the syrian resettlement , 20,000 syrians resettlement, 20,000 syrians coming here, that worked well for some reason, reason given that we knew we were leaving afghanistan . i appreciate we did afghanistan. i appreciate we did it, didn't we? we didn't know we were leaving. we just didn't know when. and the americans caught us short. it's perfectly true everybody sure didn't they? >> slightly. we're off. >> slightly. right. we're off. >> slightly. right. we're off. >> whole thing was that >> but the whole thing was that the moment the way that the moment the only way that people people can get is people people can get here is out of afghanistan into pakistan, onto another or to another country, and then try and get on. one of the two schemes aims for settling it in this country. and we are acting far too slowly about it. and we also an awful lot of the people aren't eligible for instance, in the british embassy in kabul, people i met when i went there, there's some of the catering staff there, the cleaning staff, they can't get to britain and they're the sort of people who will suffer because of the taliban . taliban. >> but but, but. and they can't

get here because we have broken off contact and we've broken off contact. off contact and we've broken off contactempowered the taliban when >> we empowered the taliban when we taliban in 2001, we dethrone the taliban in 2001, we dethrone the taliban in 2001, we then empowered them in 2021 and then broke off contact with them. >> so, i mean, it's a complete disaster. we messed up the entire war, the entire war was a waste of money. well, we agree on that one anyway. yeah. oh hallelujah for that. >> mean, bearing in mind, hallelujah for that. >mean, mean, bearing in mind, hallelujah for that. >mean, you an, bearing in mind, hallelujah for that. >mean, you know,aring in mind, hallelujah for that. >mean, you know, the; in mind, hallelujah for that. >mean, you know, the six mind, hallelujah for that. >mean, you know, the six people i mean, you know, the six people that the channel, i that died in the channel, i mean, some of were afghan. mean, some of them were afghan. >> were . they're >> i think they were. they're all afghan. they were. >> i think they were. they're all yeah.n. they were. >> i think they were. they're all yeah. and they were. >> i think they were. they're all yeah. and there :hey were. >> i think they were. they're all yeah. and there were vere. >> i think they were. they're all yeah. and there were children >> yeah. and there were children involved in that. >> and so, so what they're trying they've got trying to do is they've got to cross channel try and get cross the channel to try and get here that they should cross the channel to try and get here been that they should cross the channel to try and get here been here that they should cross the channel to try and get here been here inat they should cross the channel to try and get here been here in the iey should cross the channel to try and get here been here in the firstiould have been here in the first place. we're going back to the >> now we're going back to the other argument. already >> now we're going back to the othe in rgument. already >> now we're going back to the othe in france,t. already >> now we're going back to the othe in france, nigel, already safe in france, nigel, notwithstanding the intervention safe in france, nigel, noafghanistang the intervention safe in france, nigel, noafghanistang the icompletely in afghanistan being completely wrong back. wrong are going badly back. >> but if they're eligible >> but but if they're eligible for won't have for asylum here, they won't have appued for asylum here, they won't have applied in france . applied for asylum in france. >> they were in france. they were . were safe. >> yes, but, but you can't >> yes, but but, but you can't just be in france. you've got to actually apply for asylum there and be granted it to stay there. >> the government, in their

defence, say that they are speeding up the application process and they have rejected many more applications over the past month than they did in the previous six months. so in theory they are trying to speed it up. but these are people on the whole that we owe a debt. the whole that we do owe a debt. >> certainly owe a debt . >> we certainly owe a debt. >> we certainly owe a debt. >> can i just make another really point? because really important point? because of inability to of our governments inability to control flow of people from control the flow of people from france, are now spending a france, we are now spending a third of the international aid budget, about £37 billion last yeah budget, about £37 billion last year. domestically on housing, in caring for these people. that's money that could have gonein that's money that could have gone in to settling syria much more cost effectively , settling more cost effectively, settling tunisia, which libya, which is another country that we managed to stir up and screw up, settling parts of pakistan. £3.7 billion spent in developing countries goes a lot, lot further than the housing of them in pimlico. in belgravia, four star hotels and the complete

collapse in political will in stopping people crossing the channelis stopping people crossing the channel is actually undermining our ability to address the root cause problems, which is settling these other countries that we helped stir up and that joined up thinking i'm afraid. nigel is lost on those international development. >> money should not be used for deaung >> money should not be used for dealing with . that's what it's dealing with. that's what it's being used for. i know it is and it shouldn't be. and it is nought point 7% of gdp as it was before the tories came in. we should maintain that and it should maintain that and it should be for what it. but if we stop boats overseas aid, if stop the boats overseas aid, if we stop boats, the aid could we stop the boats, the aid could go root of the go to the root cause of the problem we would stop the problem and we would stop the flow of people. >> so we've got to stop the >> and so we've got to stop the boats we know, the only boats and as we know, the only way to turn them way to do that is to turn them around in channel is around in the channel that is a settled conclusion , which is settled conclusion, which is where in absolute . where we came in absolute. >> absolutely. yes. so should we stop boats and stop talking about boats and start talking about cars? shall we? of all we? now, off the back of all this around ulez and this debate around ulez and labour's recent labour's loss at the recent uxbndge labour's loss at the recent uxbridge and south ruislip by—election, labour leader sir

keir starmer has abandoned the party's previous commitment of rolling out clean air zones across the country. it's just on the flip flop from the labour party after they initially included the measure in their policy programme. but the statement has since been quietly dropped out. okay, ben and nigel. oh my god. where am i going with this one? nigel, i'll come you first on this one, come to you first on this one, shall we? so it's like they're going back on yet another green promise back on the promise after going back on the 26 billion they were promising to they to spend on green issues. they are doing this to actually win votes , aren't they? that's what votes, aren't they? that's what they're doing it for. oh, yeah. >> well, every >> i mean, well, every politician win politician does that to win votes. mean , i think that the votes. i mean, i think that the uxbndge votes. i mean, i think that the uxbridge byelection so spooked all politicians. it's not just the labour party, the tory party, as well were completely spooked out by it. and the problem really is that if we are going to get to net zero in 2050, assuming that you believe in that it is going to cost us

all along the way and we have a problem with the voters here where the voters say climate change is the fourth most important , change is the fourth most important, important issue to them . so we start with cost of them. so we start with cost of living. then it's nhs, then it's immigration , then it's climate immigration, then it's climate change. the moment, immigration, then it's climate change. the moment , then they're change. the moment, then they're asked to pay for some of it. that's when we have a problem. and yes, we're getting to near to an election and all politicians are trying to find a way around this. may well be way around this. it may well be that ulez isn't the answer here, but somewhere along the way it's to going cost us all some money and i do regret these kind of u—turns that keir starmer is making. but i regret the same u—turns that rishi sunak appears to be making it. >> is it is actually across all parties. i mean, and ben, it is also a warning shot across the bow of khan in london, bow of sadiq khan in london, isn't who much for isn't it, who is very much for ulez and the green. the green issues. >> i mean, sadiq khan shouldn't be in office. not fit for be in office. he's not fit for office, he? he simply office, is he? he simply shouldn't be anywhere near any

shouldn't be anywhe governance lever of authority or governance . but that's a that's an entirely different subject. it's interesting that nigel says the top priority for people in the country, living. and country, cost of living. and then is, you know, then fourth is, you know, getting net actually, getting to net zero. actually, it's the drive to net zero that is making which is exacerbating the cost of living, the cost to the cost of living, the cost to the taxpayer is already vast. and you can enumerate that very easily. but the most visible example of it is the ulez charge, £12.50. if you if you take your jalopy out on the road and, and that's been the pushback. but of course, as you've identified correctly, dawn, this is this is tony blair pulling keir starmer when he was going to come into it. >> yes. >> yes. >> tony blair pulling keir starmer strings and saying , starmer strings and saying, look, mate, in the run up to 2024, you need to start looking slightly more centre. you know, otherwise you're unelectable . otherwise you're unelectable. and keir starmer's knee jerk instinct is to actually enforce ulez to , to, to go for sort of

ulez to, to, to go for sort of economic emasculation in the pursuit of net zero. and he's having to rein himself in. so you see him doing u—turns all over the place . they promised over the place. they promised £28 billion in order to fight what they call the climate crisis. they u—turned on that. they said no more new licences in the north sea. and then they said they wouldn't revoke the 100 licences granted. >> no, no, hang on. just >> no, no, no, no, hang on. just to it. absolutely right. he to get it. absolutely right. he did say no new licences in the nonh did say no new licences in the north sea. when labour come to power, but before. >> but that was before. >> but that was before. >> sunak rishi sunak has put in put in 100 new licence cases thatis put in 100 new licence cases that is now the policy that that a labour government will take over. >> oven >> so the labour government would basically follow whatever the tories do between now and the tories do between now and the general election. actually of course they will. >> ben . >> ben. >> ben. >> of course they will just chose them for what are. chose them for what they are. >> no, doesn't. it shows >> no, it doesn't. it shows actually responsible actually a responsible government what tony government is exactly what tony blair tony blair tony blair did when tony blair tony blair did when tony blair tony blair took over in 1997, he adopted for the first two years tory spending plans that so you

don't disrupt the country too much . keir starmer keir starmer much. keir starmer keir starmer will do the same thing . will do the same thing. >> £1 million from his name is dale. vince, i think. yes. yes who director or associate who is a director or associate at a high level with just stop oil after donation. they oil after that donation. they said they were going to cancel all new licences, which is what just wants. that's just stop oil wants. that's their and as soon he their aim. and as soon as he realised that, as as tony realised that, as soon as tony blair whispered in that blair whispered in his ear that actually ain't actually electorally this ain't so clever, he did a u—turn on it. that's truth. it. that's the truth. >> he going to be >> he wasn't going to be retrospective. weren't retrospective. they weren't going licences. going to cancel licences. they'd already it may well already existed. and it may well be that they would get rid of those way. the whole be that they would get rid of those is way. the whole be that they would get rid of those is to way. the whole be that they would get rid of those is to keep,nay. the whole be that they would get rid of those is to keep, to i. the whole be that they would get rid of those is to keep, to keep whole be that they would get rid of those is to keep, to keep the )le thing is to keep, to keep the country even keel. an country on an even keel. an incoming government must actually adopt the policies of the outgoing one until they can change them in a reasonable way. >> the tragedy here is that both the conservative party and the labour party don't have a vision for an energy independent united kingdom. they're both committed, both domestically and internationally through treaty to driving to net zero by 2050.

the cost of that by treasury estimates, which are almost always wrong on the downside side, a 1.4 million, £1.4 trillion, that's another year, that's another 70% on our national debt. it is going to cripple this country. we need to get off this bandwagon and we need to get off it fast. >> but you're suggesting we don't get a net zero? is your view we don't have we don't view that we don't have we don't we don't follow the trajectory tree that's been laid out in domestic law for the cutting of emissions at the rate at which emissions at the rate at which emissions have to be cut. >> in order get to 2050, >> so in order to get to 2050, to get to no net zero by 2050, correct . correct. >> okay. >> okay. >> and you think we absolutely should >> and you think we absolutely showhy? because the climate is >> why? because the climate is changing much faster than we thought it is. if we don't keep emissions down to below 1.5. sorry temperatures down to 1.5% above pre—industrial levels , we above pre—industrial levels, we are all going to fry. >> so joe bloggs out there driving his white vans through

london and paying whatever amount of money, £12.50 to the ulez charge , which is going to ulez charge, which is going to have to upgrade to an electric car and try and find somewhere to charge it. good luck with that. meanwhile, china are still building those coal powered fire stations literally we sit stations literally as we sit here speaking. >> absolutely right. here speaking. >> china absolutely right. here speaking. >> china needsutely right. here speaking. >> china needs to ly right. here speaking. >> china needs to do 'ight. here speaking. >> china needs to do more that a small change in china will have much more effect than a big change by britain. but, you know, at the moment, it's a it's a problem . and so every a global problem. and so every nafion a global problem. and so every nation that has signed up to net zero by 2050 should keep its word. >> we are buying wind turbines made in china through processes that are powered by coal fired power stations. the whole thing is idiotic. we are we are sending our good valuable pounds to china for aiding their bad habit in order to try and economically emasculate our way through to net zero is idiotic. >> there's only two countries, i think on the globe that are

actually independent for fuel and that is iceland because they rely on the volcanic power there and an america and the united states of america and what us has done. >> if we've got a minute, you've got 30s 30s, the us, the us has had exactly the right policy . had exactly the right policy. they've maximised their fossil fuel production , they've become fuel production, they've become independent, and then with that strength, unlike us who shut off nonh strength, unlike us who shut off north sea before we're independent, before we've got renewables with that strength , renewables with that strength, they're now got the biggest spending program towards net zero. >> i have to go . >> i have to go. >> i've run out of time. dawn neesom gb news on tv and digital radio. still to come, lots more next. our emergency operator. we're going to cancel miss misgendered them. plus, it's showbiz roundup chatting all things gary lineker, holly willoughby and vicky mcclure. but it's the weather . but first, it's the weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg jewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. looking ahead, rain on monday, particularly across england and wales, as low pressure moves through, but it does gradually turn warmer and drier and we can see that on the bigger picture, low pressure dominating the weather pattern. the next few days, but then high pressure building we towards building in as we head towards wednesday. for sunday wednesday. so for sunday starting to go downhill across england and wales as we move through the rest the and through the rest of the day and into the early hours as this wet weather spreads slowly north and eastwards, some rain eastwards, some heavy rain developing, particularly across north northern north wales into northern england. end of the england. by the end of the night. and here we could see some localised flooding. a met office warning in force drier for northern ireland and scotland. temperatures generally remaining double so remaining in double figures. so that wet weather first thing across england wales . across england and wales. outbreaks heavy rain pushing outbreaks of heavy rain pushing north and eastwards could see north and eastwards we could see some flooding issues some localised flooding issues but gradually become but it just gradually become dner but it just gradually become drier and brighter from the west . by afternoon, northern . by the afternoon, northern ireland and scotland a brighter

day here mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers in the best of any sunshine, temperatures reaching around 21 or 22 celsius. but if you're stuck under the cloud and the rain, it will feel on the chilly side as that does push away side as that rain does push away by , it does to by tuesday, it does start to then brighten up. we've got plenty sunny spells for the plenty of sunny spells for the day ahead. a scattering of showers north showers largely across the north and the west of the uk and into wednesday and thursday. that high pressure continues build high pressure continues to build in dry weather, sunny in plenty of dry weather, sunny spells temperatures rising . spells and temperatures rising. looks like things are heating up by next boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. well come back. >> you're watching dawn neesom on gb news. much more to come in the next hour

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let's get the latest news headunes let's get the latest news headlines with erin armstrong . headlines with erin armstrong. >> good afternoon to you. it's 4:00. i'm erin armstrong in the newsroom. 509 migrants crossed the channel in ten small boats yesterday , bringing the total yesterday, bringing the total for the year. so far to more than 16,500. that is according to the latest home office figures , as the government is figures, as the government is under renewed pressure to tackle the migrant crisis after six people died yesterday crossing the channel. labour says people smugglers are running rings around the government. home secretary suella braverman has described the incident as a tragic loss of life. campaigners say it was an appalling and preventable tragedy . people in preventable tragedy. people in scotland and wales could soon be able to access nhs treatment they need in england to cut long waiting lists. the health secretary, steve barclay, says he's open to requests and has ianed he's open to requests and has invited both scottish and welsh

health ministers to discuss how all parts of the uk can tackle waiting times. in wales, more than 73,000 people have been waiting for over a year and a half for treatment and at least 21,500 people in scotland have also been waiting for about the same period of time for an appointment . secretary of state appointment. secretary of state for wales david davis says everyone should have access to the health care they need . the health care they need. >> national health service >> is a national health service and there's a clue in the name there everyone across the there and everyone across the united kingdom the united kingdom is paying the same the same amount of tax towards the nhs and it is therefore manifestly wrong that some people in parts of the united kingdom are waiting over two years for treatment. that would never happen where frankly the conservatives are running the nhs offering to nhs and so we're offering to give patients in wales the same rights that they get in rights that they would get in england, to, if they're england, which is to, if they're prepared go prepared to travel, they can go to hospital which can offer to any hospital which can offer them the treatment they need. >> memorial service for the >> a memorial service for the 25th anniversary of the omagh bombing is taking in bombing is taking place in northern ireland. 29 people died

in 1998 when the real ira left a car bomb in the city centre. it was the greatest single loss of life in the history of the troubles . no life in the history of the troubles. no one has been convicted of carrying out the attack. an independent statutory inquiry will be launched to look at preventability of the at the preventability of the blast, devastated the town blast, which devastated the town in county tyrone . 93 people have in county tyrone. 93 people have now been confirmed dead from the wildfires on the hawaiian island of maui. it's become the deadliest us fire in over a century and that number is expected to rise significantly in the coming days as authorities continue the painstaking task of identifying the bodies. search teams with sniffer dogs sifted through the ruins of lahaina four days after a fast moving blaze levelled a historic town obliterate burning buildings and melting cars as we're going to bring you something a little bit different on the news, robert kennedy jr , on the news, robert kennedy jr, whose father and uncle were assassinated because of their political views , is bidding to

political views, is bidding to run as the democrat candidate for the us president in 2024. now his uncle, president john f kennedy of course, was assassinated in 1963, as was his father, robert kennedy, while running for the democratic presidential nomination in 1968. well, robert kennedy jr is the fifth member of his family to run for president of the united states , and he's aware of the states, and he's aware of the risks of running for office. >> no, i think all of it everybody in my family is aware of the risk. but you know, i think , you know, life is filled think, you know, life is filled with risks . so and i think once with risks. so and i think once cheryl was convinced that that there was a path to victory and that i think she felt like , you that i think she felt like, you know, because i have a passion to do this, to solve some of these problems for our country. and i'm in a unique position to be able to do that, that she

gave me the green light . gave me the green light. >> pubs in england and wales will be able to sell takeaway pints after the government decided to keep the covid pandemic licencing rules. the laws were due to expire in september , but a number ten has september, but a number ten has told the sun the prime minister has listened to the industry loud and clear. for now, has listened to the industry loud and clear . for now, the loud and clear. for now, the move is set to help the hospitality sector boost its sales in an effort to recover from the pandemic. sales in an effort to recover from the pandemic . and it means sales in an effort to recover from and pandemic . and it means sales in an effort to recover from and barsamic . and it means sales in an effort to recover from and bars won't and it means sales in an effort to recover from and bars won't needt means sales in an effort to recover from and bars won't need t01eans sales in an effort to recover from and bars won't need to make pubs and bars won't need to make a separate application to local councils for the extra licence needed for off site sales , which needed for off site sales, which will be good for news some. and this is gb news on tv, on digital radio and on your smart. speaker two now let's return to dawn . thank you, erin, and dawn. thank you, erin, and welcome back. >> before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is gender politics going

too far with a trans row over lesbian speed dating? and 999 operators now asking for your pronouns trans, i'll be joined by former police detective peter bleksley about that. and my wonderful panel will be joining in to discuss that too. and then at 450, it's world view . we're at 450, it's world view. we're cross to los angeles with paul duddndge cross to los angeles with paul duddridge to get his reaction to gb news exclusive interview with democratic president candidate robert kennedy jr. don't want robert f kennedy jr. don't want to miss that one. and at five it's this week's outside this guy now first rose to stardom in the 70s when he had a grand total of six wins in itv's talent competition opportunity knocks remember that? stay tuned to find out exactly who it is, though. that's coming up in the next hour. and tell me what you think everything think on everything we're discussing emailing discussing by emailing gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. now,

gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. now, nhs operators have been asked, can't believe the nhs operators have been asked to request preferred pronouns of callers to avoid misgendering them . they've also misgendering them. they've also been warned not to refer to callers as sir or madam. now do preferred pronouns really matter in emergency situations , or is in emergency situations, or is it wasting time on virtue signalling and grossly irresponsible ? bill i mean, irresponsible? bill i mean, would you care if you worked for an ambulance where they called you sir or madam? meanwhile, scots could face criminal records for calling someone a grumpy old man. yes a grumpy old man under new laws that make ageism, a hate crime. well, joining me to discuss this is former scotland yard detective peter bleksley, who's not a taller, grumpy old man. well, he can be occasionally, i guess , to can be occasionally, i guess, to discuss this story. can be occasionally, i guess, to discuss this story . peter, thank discuss this story. peter, thank you so much forjoining us. >> you're very welcome. >> you're very welcome. >> are you going to defend this story? because i know you love this sort of story. it's proper old school policing, isn't it? >> imagine a 999 call >> can you imagine a 999 call handlers receive these

handlers now receive these instructions about pronouns? >> and when do you call 999 in a dress awful situation , nation, dress awful situation, nation, possibly life threatening , for possibly life threatening, for example. you're cowering upstairs because you've heard burglars downstairs, your house has caught alight. or maybe a loved one is suffering a heart attack and a call handler is going to be concerned about by which pronoun you should be referred to. it is utterly lunacy. it could be time wasting, but where is this all going to end ? going to end? >> 909 operators have been warned not to take someone and not to assume someone's gender because some trans women may actually be sound like men. shockingly so. but but, peter, i mean, if you are as you say, if you're calling 999, for whatever reason, whether it's a police or an ambulance and, you know, you are as you say, you're scared something's going on that you're really you really worried about. are you seriously, going be seriously, is anyone going to be worried they're

worried about whether they're dressed sir madam or even dressed as sir or madam or even misgendered? you should only call 999 when there is a disaster or a very serious event occurring and you need the emergency services and for this for the need of this training to be rolled out really speaks volumes for the quality of perhaps those who are taking the calls. >> it's 2023. is it important in an emergency situation by what you call that person? maybe how about just ask them what their name is and then you can develop that relationship with them? you know ? yes, call it your name is know? yes, call it your name is a sensible idea . a sensible idea. >> yeah. how much money do you think this as think has gone into this as well? snp situation is that well? the snp situation is that , you know, a hate crime conviction punishable by prison sentence or hefty fine and this is under humza yousaf draconian hate crime and public order legislate in which he first moved to while he was justice secretary, something he fouled

up, the way. and this is up, by the way. and this is going actually criminalise going to actually criminalise people for saying things like, oh, don't be such a grumpy old man. yeah. is potentially a hate crime. what on earth do you make of that? >> yeah, they're seeking add of that? >> �*kind they're seeking add of that? >> �*kind thyageismaking add of that? >> �*kind thyageism clause add of that? >> �*kind thyageism clause onto this kind of ageism clause onto their already large , mocked kind their already large, mocked kind of hate crime because it's just stretched so far. of course , we stretched so far. of course, we don't want insulting and abusive words used to with regards to anybody . that's fine. if that anybody. that's fine. if that gets exposed . sponged from our gets exposed. sponged from our daily lexicon of language. but in terms of describing someone as a grumpy old man potentially, or are of course because age appues or are of course because age applies to the young as much as it does to the old. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> so should an acne covered teenager irritate me? i might get in deep trouble if i described them as a pimply youth. for example . youth. for example. >> or if you called me young lady, that's not going to happen, is it? in a patronising sort of way, though, you could try calling him a young lady.

>> back the one. >> well, back to the other one. i might. of course. i might. well, of course. respectfully call you madam. >> you can't do that. >> oh, gosh, you can't do that. >> oh, gosh, you can't do that. >> sorry. thing is >> i'm sorry. but the thing is with this, how are the with this, right? how are the police police i police going to police it? i mean, the mean, you know, i mean, the problem in scotland and in the rest of the country as well is we don't have enough police officers moment to tackle officers at the moment to tackle proper go to proper crime, to go to burglaries , to sort people burglaries, to sort out people who been of like, you burglaries, to sort out people who violently of like, you burglaries, to sort out people who violently attackedke, you burglaries, to sort out people who violently attacked on you burglaries, to sort out people who violently attacked on the know, violently attacked on the street , whether or street, whether sexual or otherwise. have enough otherwise. we don't have enough police with that police to deal with that efficiently. so how are we meant to be policing someone that may or may not have caused offence by calling someone a grumpy old man? >> well, only recently the national police chiefs council made a pledge that they're going to investigate all those crimes, which, quite frankly, they ignored for years, shamefully so the burglary of your house, the theft of your car, the theft of your phone, the theft of your bicycle, we're actually we're actually going to start investigating crime. >> that was the headline. >> that was the headline. >> hello. i thought i was i was under some illusion that that

was what policing was all about . but so they do that , i'm . but so if they do that, i'm sure they will not want to be cluttered with this kind of additional potential legislation . but look at this week. look at that dreadful tangle that the police in yorkshire got themselves over because a 16 year old autistic girl apparently said to someone that apparently said to someone that a police officer looks like her lesbian nana. and then of course, we had an almighty catastrophe of a situation that was filmed , understandably, of was filmed, understandably, of a number of police officers with a clearly distressed child. and of course , yesterday the police course, yesterday the police announced quite rightly that there is going to be no further action against that child, a lack of experience on the front line. i think , is really coming line. i think, is really coming back to bite the police these days. 60% of the met's cops have got less than three years service. so we've got probationary cops teaching probationary cops teaching probationary cops teaching probationary cops all the experience ones headed for the

back door when they saw the state police he was getting into. >> do you think that we will ever get back to the situation when you were serving of coppers, nicking criminals ? coppers, nicking criminals? >> i would hope so, because that really is the most sad , really is the most sad, mystifying part of the job. and it's why so many officers joined today, because whilst it's a very important power to deny somebody their liberty and it should be thought about and there should be sufficient suspicion or evidence upon which to do that, when you take them by the hand and you say you're nicked and you know it's a serious crime and they're going to go to court and they're going to go to court and they're going to get convicted, that for me , to get convicted, that for me, is what policing is all about. >> it is indeed. peter bleksley, thank you so much for joining >> it is indeed. peter bleksley, thank you so much forjoining me this afternoon. and not being at all old man or grumpy all a grumpy old man or grumpy youngish we to move on youngish man. we have to move on now. you, peter. joining now. thank you, peter. joining us now go through the biggest us now to go through the biggest showbiz stories is showbiz stories of the day is entertainment and tv journalist sarah . hello, sarah.

sarah robertson. hello, sarah. oh, looking lovely . thank you oh, looking lovely. thank you for joining us on a sunday forjoining us on a sunday afternoon. now, sarah, the sunday papers are full of lots of lovely showbiz gossip. so let's get some of the stuff that's going on the front page of sun on sunday today. all of the sun on sunday today. all about what's about holly willoughby. what's going on there? >> yes, that's correct, dawn. so this is holly's. holly is in the lolly or has the lolly, shall i say? she's got a £1 million bumper pay deal to come back to this morning in september. i know. it's unbelievable . she's know. it's unbelievable. she's getting a £250,000 pay rise from itv. and in order to stay on the show and head it up in what was the disaster, the scandal of phillip schofield leaving earlier this year. so holly really is in the money. it's a fantastic deal for her. she's going to be coming back in september and the show is having this huge spruce up and they're going to have basically a rebrand. that's what's going on to sort of move it away from all of that scandal with schofield earlier in the year and all of

that tawdriness and move it on. so this is a fresh start. it's going to be a new look. show holly is going to be earning all this money, which is great for her. and she's going to be coming september the coming back on september the fourth first couple fourth and the first couple of days. on sofa with days. she'll be on the sofa with alison hammond, who she's been sort of wanting to be on the sofa with for quite a while. so she's finally got her wish. this is what she wants for her and alison teamed up. and alison to be teamed up. and then they're rotate these they're going to rotate these presenters with holly. but holly will basically the new will basically be the new phillip schofield . she's going phillip schofield. she's going to heading the sofa at and to be heading up the sofa at and the other lackeys will come the other lackeys will just come and as as and when each and join her as as and when each day. promised that day. but they've promised that there's to dark there's going to be no dark depressing style stories they're throwing loads of money itv into rebranding the show, making it very positive. they're going to be throwing money at getting like high, high level showbiz guests to come on because before they were sort of shunning the show, really, and with what had happened with schofield . so happened with schofield. so there's a lot of money going

towards that. gok wan is going towards that. gok wan is going to be which i'm really pleased about because really about this because i really like gok, to be coming on gok, is going to be coming on and a regular segment and doing a regular segment called van he'll called the glam van where he'll be basically the be basically going around the country giving people glam country and giving people glam makeovers on their doorstep, which think lovely which i think is a lovely a lovely so i could see that lovely idea. so i could see that going down really well. and so it's to be things like it's going to be things like that be very that and it's going to be very bright breezy. but holly bright and breezy. but holly ultimately out. queen ultimately has come out. queen of itv here. you know, she's come out literally shining and has got this golden pay deal to stay on. and so far, the bbc haven't been able to lure her away. they were trying . away. they were trying. >> there was that debate, wasn't there? sarah louise? there was that debate. there was that debate about whether she might be lured over to the bbc. yes but she has decided to stay with itv. now do you think the programme will be able to move on from the schofield incident or do you think it will always hang over it ? hang over it? >> i think there's still going to be this whiff, this smell

while holly's still there for a while holly's still there for a while yet. but i think once viewers start to get used to this new format and this new look in time , they'll start to look in time, they'll start to forget about schofield with the show. but it's going to take a bit of time yet. it's not going to be straight away. and they may attract new younger viewers as well with this new format, which sounds what they're hoping for. so you know, they will eventually . eventually. >> so we've got time for one more story . so why do people more story. so why do people want gary lineker to strip off? >> oh, well, they want him to go away. um, they're very upset with it. so gary's in hot water with it. so gary's in hot water with with the animal rights campaigner who he's actually previously fronted campaigns for them. interestingly but he's come under attack because through his modelling contract with next he was seen modelling what was a mohair suit, £225 mohair men's suit. now now, peter, the animal rights campaigners , they've come out campaigners, they've come out and said that this suit is cruel. it's cruel towards goats

because apparently goats and in order to collect the mohair they have to scrape the hair out of the goats using metal rakes and apparently the goats scream and cw apparently the goats scream and cry out in fear and all the rest of it. it's very distressing. and they're left bleeding and half bald and stuff . and from half bald and stuff. and from having their their hair or wool npped having their their hair or wool ripped out to make these suits for us. and gary's been seen modelling one now lineker is agent he's not given any comment in response to this and i checked just before going on air to see if lineker himself had tweeted because we know he's an avid he likes a tweet, as we all are . um, and avid he likes a tweet, as we all are. um, and he avid he likes a tweet, as we all are . um, and he hasn't responded are. um, and he hasn't responded to these allegations either, but it's interested that they've they've gone for him because as i previously fronted i say, he's previously fronted a campaign when they were saying that the queen's guards can't wear their bearskin hats anymore, he backed that and said it was cruel. but now he's found himself in the firing line. and peta peter, they want to see suits made from vegan materials.

they don't think there should be any animal materials at all used in the manufacture of high street, high street clothing. >> sarah, thank you. thank you. we have to go. unfortunately, we're out um, we're running out of time. um, so, yeah, gary lineker needs to strip thank you strip off. evidently. thank you very much. that's sarah—louise robertson us there to robertson joining us there to discuss all showbiz discuss all things showbiz on this sunday afternoon. you're with neesom on gb news and with dawn neesom on gb news and on tv and digital radio. on your tv and digital radio. still to come in this week's outside guest eight celebrated pianist . he outside guest eight celebrated pianist. he first outside guest eight celebrated pianist . he first rose to pianist. he first rose to stardom in the 70s when he had a grand total of six wins in itv's talent competition. opportunity knocks say stay tuned to find out exactly who he is. but let's find out what the weather is doing first, shall we? >> warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there . i'm greg >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . looking ahead, rain on monday, particularly across england and wales as low pressure moves

through. but it does gradually turn warmer and drier and we can see that on the bigger picture, low pressure dominating the weather pattern next weather pattern the next few days. high pressure days. but then high pressure building in as we head towards wednesday . so for sunday, wednesday. so for sunday, starting to go downhill across england wales as we move england and wales as we move through the rest of the day and into the early hours as this wet weather spreads slowly north and eastwards, some heavy rain developing, particularly across north northern north wales into northern england. the end of the england. by the end of the night. and here we could see some localised flooding. a met office warning force drier office warning in force drier for northern ireland and scotland. temperatures generally remaining so remaining in double figures. so that wet weather first thing across and wales . across england and wales. outbreaks of heavy rain pushing north and eastwards we could see some issues some localised flooding issues but gradually become but it just gradually become dner but it just gradually become drier and brighter from the west . by the afternoon, northern ireland and scotland a brighter day here. mixture of sunny spells scattered showers in spells and scattered showers in the best of any sunshine, temperatures reaching around 21 or 22 celsius. but if you're stuck under the cloud and the

rain, it will feel on chilly rain, it will feel on the chilly side that rain does push away by tuesday , it does to then tuesday, it does start to then brighten up. we've got plenty of sunny spells for the ahead. sunny spells for the day ahead. a showers largely a scattering of showers largely across and the west of across the north and the west of the uk and into wednesday and thursday. high pressure thursday. that high pressure continues to build in plenty of dry spells dry weather, sunny spells and temperatures rising . temperatures rising. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> welcome back . ulez dawn >> welcome back. ulez dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on digital radio. up next, it's the great british debate. i'm asking has gender politics gone too far? i've got a poll up on the right now on twitter, whatever you call it, these days. but you know what? i'm talking about asking you that very question is gender politics going too far these days? send us an email at gbviews@gbnews.com and tell us what you think. cast your vote right now. that's all coming up very shortly

gb news radio . gb news radio. >> welcome back. you're with dawn neesom on gb news on tv and on digital radio. now it's time for the great british debate drum roll. i'm asking our gender politics going too far now how developers could soon be required to build separate male and female toilets again. i mean, who'd have thought that'd be an idea? we've been doing it

for years of the for years as part of the government accelerating plans to protect in protect single sex spaces in public, women and equalities minister kemi badenoch says that gender neutral toilets has removed privacy in public spaces , and the new approach will protect people's dignity and safety . but trans rights group safety. but trans rights group stonewall argues gender neutral toilets at work give non—binary employees access to facilities without fear of discrimination . without fear of discrimination. an so for the great british debate, i am asking our gender politics going too far to discuss this , i'm joined by the discuss this, i'm joined by the lovely ben habib, former brexit party mep matthew stadlen, political commentator nigel nelson. celina political commentator , and stella commentator, and stella o'malley, who's a psychotherapist and director at jen specht . right. okay. you're jen specht. right. okay. you're all there. so i actually , as the all there. so i actually, as the only other lady, if i can say that on the panel, i'm to going come to you, stella gender politics, they are going too far. surely in some cases . far. surely in some cases. >> yeah. i think gender politics

have really impacted people with gender dysphoria in a very negative way. >> i think it's become a very political issue. and at the heart of this is an awful lot of very distressed people who need help and politicising mental health distress doesn't work. >> and it has become a weapon and people are using it to make political points all the time. and i know this , obviously, i'm and i know this, obviously, i'm in this debate and i think the only way to do this is to highlight the issue again and again in the political debate , again in the political debate, point out, you know, mental health is really complex and trying to kind of make these rules like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. it doesn't work and it hurts more people than it helps . helps. >> ben come to you next. but what about the mental health of women ? you know, do do we not women? you know, do do we not count any more? i mean, do our are our rights trumped by transgender women ? transgender women? >> no, of course not. i mean, first of all, there is no such thing as a gentle, neutral

toilet. a toilet to which both men and women can go is a is a unisex toilet. but there's no such thing as gender neutrality. if you're a man, even if you identify as a woman, you're still a man. and it's our preparedness to allow language to be in the way that i've just described, that makes this a completely crazy subject. and we've got to get back to fundamental basics. kemi badenoch only goes half way in my view, because she needs to. she needs to actually discredit the language that's used in order to promote this ideology . order to promote this ideology. but at least she's half going in the right direction, which is to , you know, bring back same sex toilets. >> matthew , come to you next. i >> matthew, come to you next. i mean, surely kemi is right. she is standing up for women's right. women deserve to have safe spaces as and what's wrong with campaigning for that now? >> i think women do need to have safe spaces . safe spaces. >> i think this whole area should be dealt with really sensitively and carefully

because the mental health and wellbeing of sometimes some very vulnerable people are at the heart of it. >> absolutely . key women's >> absolutely. key women's rights need to respect and rights need to be respect and where there's a potential clash between trans women's rights and women's rights, they need to be worked out really very properly . and i think without a lot of the toxicity around it, don't the toxicity around it, i don't think it helps. example, think it helps. for example, by for say that trans women for ben to say that trans women are still men. that's just upsetting for trans women to hean upsetting for trans women to hear. it's true that trans women are not biologically female . you are not biologically female. you can't change your biology , but i can't change your biology, but i think it's helping anyone for ben to that, interestingly, ben to say that, interestingly, where i've worked in the past, toilet have been unisex as far as i can remember. the only exception to that is gb news, where? >> well, the toilets have not been unisex toilets. >> if you're a man, you go into the man's loos. if you're a woman, into the women's woman, you go into the women's room. that room. the only exception to that is which unisex. is gb news, which are unisex. >> we by way , >> yeah, we have, by the way, gender neutral, unisex toilets here there's an element here because there's an element of the building. but of space in the building. but i think, you would agree of space in the building. but i thiniit's you would agree of space in the building. but i thiniit's alwaysu would agree of space in the building. but i thiniit's always an'ould agree

of space in the building. but i thiniit's always an adventuree that it's always an adventure going to lose that our shared space.i going to lose that our shared space. i mean, i end up standing there doing my makeup while you're standing there doing your makeup. >> exactly . and yes, i think >> exactly. and yes, i think there's obviously a difference between gender neutral toilets, which is what we're talking about here, which is then a shared space with men and women and unisex toilets, which mean that you will have your own cubicle with your own mirror, with your own wash basin, with your own hand dryer, which is a space for either men or women. but it's totally private . and but it's totally private. and all the way through that , all the way through that, although i believe that a that a trans woman is a woman, i've always said that people that people ought to have safe spaces is the idea that kemi badenoch is the idea that kemi badenoch is coming up with is to actually have these cubicles which are totally private . and for both totally private. and for both sexes which they can use. i think is the right way forward.

what we're talking about is creating the space for individuals as stella that surely does make sense. >> and you were talking about the mental health issues involved here. i mean , where involved here. i mean, where schools have introduced gender neutral, unisex communal toilets. it's often the young girls there that suffer and have been too frightened to go to the toilet often not going to the loo all day, and therefore are sort of getting infections and things because they don't want to share their bathrooms with boys. >> yeah, i've heard some pretty harrowing stories about girls who have been timed when they're in their unisex toilets or gender neutral toilets where the boys outside are timing the girl to figure out which girl has their period and which which girl doesn't . and i've heard girl doesn't. and i've heard boys throwing pad pads and sanitary, you know , um, um, you sanitary, you know, um, um, you know , products at girls because know, products at girls because they were too long in the toilets . pure they were too long in the toilets. pure oil they were too long in the toilets . pure oil boys they were too long in the toilets. pure oil boys being pure oil isn't new, you know,

these are school boys . they are these are school boys. they are immature. yeah they're immature. and in a way, we have to look after the girls because having your period , learning to your period, learning to negotiate menstruation, it is difficult . and it's complicated. difficult. and it's complicated. not only that , but we have to be not only that, but we have to be aware of the fact we have tried gender neutral toilets. it was a good go. i was honestly really quite neutral about them. i didn't have a strong opinion of them. but then when i saw the data come back and when i saw that when there was a freedom of information request by the sunday times about the efficacy and what was going on with the unisex changing rooms, for example, in swimming pools and other areas, it turned out that 90% of the sexual assaults and the sexual harassment came from gender neutral , the sexual harassment came from gender neutral, changing facilities . and so out of 134 facilities. and so out of 134 complaints about sex, there was 120 were from the gender neutral facility and 14 were from the same sex facilities , which shows

same sex facilities, which shows that predators take advantage of certain rules. and so when i saw that , i certain rules. and so when i saw that, i thought, okay, case closed. we've tried it. we gave it a good go . and actually, it it a good go. and actually, it turns out that girls aren't using the toilets that period . using the toilets that period. shame is being used and manipulated and laughed about and sexual assaults are happening in these facilities. it hasn't worked . it hasn't worked. >> suella unfortunately, we've run out of time. thank you so much for joining run out of time. thank you so much forjoining us. stella o'malley, psychotherapist and founder there founder of gen gemspec. there also you to my other also thank you to my other panellists matthew stadlen , panellists are matthew stadlen, ben habib nigel nelson . ben habib and nigel nelson. again, a very passionate debate there you are with dawn neesom on gb news on tv and digital radio. after the break, we'll continue the great british debate. i'm asking you all hear the thoughts of my panel . debate. i'm asking you all hear the thoughts of my panel. is gender politics too going far? christine hamilton and danny keller will be joining us for that. first, it's latest that. but first, it's the latest news aaron news headlines with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> it's 433. i'm aaron armstrong

in the gb newsroom . a total of in the gb newsroom. a total of 509 people crossed the english channelin 509 people crossed the english channel in ten boats on the day. six people died when a boat carrying migrants sank off the coast of france . it brings the coast of france. it brings the total for the year to more than 16,500, putting renewed pressure on the government to tackle the crisis of migrant crossings. rishi sunak has made stopping the boats one of his five priorities. campaigners say the incident was an appalling and preventable tragedy. while mps from all parties are calling for action to stop criminal gangs profiting from the dangerous journeys , people in scotland and journeys, people in scotland and wales could soon be able to access nhs treatment in england to cut long waiting lists . to cut long waiting lists. health secretary steve barclay says he's open to requests and hasianed says he's open to requests and has invited both the scottish and welsh health ministers to discuss how all parts of the uk can work to reduce the backlog in wales, more than 73,000 people have been waiting for more than a year and a half for

treatment. at least 21,500 people in scotland have been waiting for the same time for an appointment . a memorial service appointment. a memorial service for the 25th anniversary of the omagh bombing is taking place in northern ireland. 29 people died in 1998 from the car bomb attack was left by the real ira. it was the greatest single loss of life in the history of the troubles, and no one's been convicted of carrying out the attack. an independent statutory inquiry will be launched to look at the preventability of the blast, which devastated the town in county tyrone . labour has county tyrone. labour has pledged to recruit more than 6500 new teachers in a plan to tackle regional recruitment gaps . supply teacher spending has doubled in the last year. labour says its recruitment plan to create more opportunities for young people would more than fill teacher vacancies and temporarily filled roles, giving stability to those children worst affected by teacher vacancies . and that's it for the

vacancies. and that's it for the moment. we'll be back in about a half an hour's time . our more half an hour's time. our more stories on our website, as always. gbnews.com . thank you, aaron. >> you're with dawn neesom on gb news on tv and digital radio. still to come, it's this week's outside. you might have seen him in stage productions of the rocky horror show and chicago . a rocky horror show and chicago. a celebrated pianist, he first came to public attention after winning six appearances on hughie green's british itv talent show opportunity knocks. in 1972. stay tuned to find out who that is. that's all coming up after this very short

>> gb news is the people's. channel >> welcome back here with dawn neesom on gb news and on digital radio. now let's have a quick look at what you've been saying about gender politics. some very, very feisty emails on this one. uh, joan . good afternoon, one. uh, joan. good afternoon, joan. she says that , yes, it has joan. she says that, yes, it has gone too far. what hasn't gone too far is an outbreak of common sense. oh, singing from my him.she can please have the him.she can we please have the grown ups back in the room? meanwhile yvonne says do meanwhile yvonne says women do not need their own space. most men want their own space. okay so yeah, i think i understand that. so yeah, i think i understand that . meanwhile, tom says this that. meanwhile, tom says this whole subject is becoming tediously and ridiculously unworkable and it's difficult to any any longer. imagine where it will end. i dread to think on

that one. right now, back to our great british debate this hour. i'm asking our gender politics too going far? developers could soon be building separate male and female toilets and an and or self contained private toilet. you know, like we used to have back in the old days as part of a government plan to protect single sex spaces in public. women and equalities minister kemi badenoch says gender women and equalities minister kemi bitoilets1 says gender women and equalities minister kemi bitoilets hasys gender women and equalities minister kemi bitoilets has removed neutral toilets has removed privacy in public spaces for both sexes, by the way, and the new approach will protect people's dignity and safety. now are there more pressing matters for the government to focus on instead of, you know, who we share a loo space with it? or is this return to where we should be? so for the great british debate, i'm asking our gender politics going too far. so let's see what my panel make of this. i'm delighted to be joined by broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and broadcaster and author christine hamilton. thank you so much for joining christine hamilton. thank you so much forjoining me. on a sunny sunday afternoon in sunny, was it not sunny out ? no, it's not

it not sunny out? no, it's not sunny. oh, it was sunny when i came in. what happened was christine came in. what happened was chr summer cancelled . >> summer cancelled. >> summer cancelled. >> controversial . someone's >> oh, controversial. someone's been cancelled straight away while i've been sitting here. this okay. so this morning. right. okay. so gender surely , danny, gender politics surely, danny, they have gone too far now. >> well, it's just when you thought it could go no further . thought it could go no further. >> once again, we're talking about what should be treated as just common sense for every right minded individual. >> well, now i think it's more for a okay, i'm going to generalise here, but i think a woman probably values her privacy more in a shared cubicle . so a unisex set of toilets than a bloke and i hope that's not a negative generalisation , not a negative generalisation, but whenever i hear people criticise , for example, gb news criticise, for example, gb news have got gender neutral toilets or unisex toilets, whatever. >> now they rent the building . >> now they rent the building. >> now they rent the building. >> it has to be this is not a this is not a choice by gb news well, yeah, but if you think about space, yes, but it's limited workspace. >> yeah. and so have 5 or 6

>> yeah. and so they have 5 or 6 cubicles and used by other cubicles and it's used by other stuff. noticed on gb stuff. now i've noticed on gb news the only people really news that the only people really critical the female critical of them are the female presenters. so, oh, presenters. so, so, so, oh, no, no, okay. well, all no, no. okay. well, that's all i've can understand i've heard and i can understand why do you enjoy using them? i don't know whether people enjoy, but i mean, do you not have a problem? >> i don't feel embarrassed by using them, but i could understand a woman would understand why a woman would feel embarrassed than feel more embarrassed than a bloke are we have bloke because there are we have different bodies and our bodies function differently at certain times. >> all w- p all of that. i times. >> all of that. i really >> i get all of that. i really do. don't a problem with do. i don't have a problem with those because know those toilets because i know everyone who's going to use those toilets. but if i was in a pubuc those toilets. but if i was in a public building complete public building and complete strangers who vetted by strangers who weren't vetted by gb news, who weren't employed by gb news, who weren't employed by gb completely straight. gb news, who weren't employed by gb true, completely straight. gb news, who weren't employed by gb true, though, tely straight. gb news, who weren't employed by gb true, though, tely straiand it's true, though, isn't it? and it's true, though, isn't it? and i can. know i get the i know you can. i know i get the sort of surreptitious giggle. i get all that. get all of that. >> no, personally find it more >> no, i personally find it more uncomfortable the toilets uncomfortable using the toilets we at news with we have here at gb news with people i know. >> like if i'm if working >> like if i'm if i'm working with you, i interesting no disrespect and i see you go to the loo. i'll wait until you come out. how interesting is that? the same with you,

christine. >> no, no, it isn't. >> but my experience is that everybody at gb news, nobody likes nobody feels likes them. nobody feels threatened because everybody's colleagues , everyone knows them. colleagues, everyone knows them. so nobody's worried about the threatening aspect of it. >> but nobody, they're >> but nobody, whether they're men feel comfortable. men or women, feel comfortable. >> want our own spaces. >> we want our own spaces. >> we want our own spaces. >> and the other thing that drives bend, when drives me around the bend, when you using your space is you have men using your space is that the loo seat is always up top and that is it is a gentleman's job to put the loo seat down when they have finished. it is not a ladies duty to have to put it down, but that drives me around the bend. but and if can i just finish this point? if grown people of our sort of ages big spectrum here feel uncomfortable , what on here feel uncomfortable, what on earth does a 14 year old pubescent girl feel when she's got boys coming in when she's they already make remarks about her changing body and goodness knows what, you know, what teenage boys are like and to have to share loose space with with them i think is ridiculous

. i think it should not be allowed. >> i think it's unfair on both sexes. >> yes, it is. of course it is. >> but i think danny might have a point about girls, especially young girls, starting their penods periods for the first time, etcetera. and we have heard stories know, girls stories about, you know, girls deliberately going to deliberately not going to the loo day while they're at loo all day while they're at school want school because they don't want to with boys. to go into the toilet with boys. >> i just add another layer? >> may i just add another layer? this proven this is this is proven by gravity. when i the gravity. but when i go to the toilet, i make noise. toilet, i make more noise. >> i make. >> danny, i make. >> danny, i make. >> listen , when i'm >> no, listen, when i'm urinating, i make more noise. and i'm conscious of that . and i'm conscious of that. >> please. look, it's. >> please. look, it's. >> we're talking about thin walled cubicles , girls, aren't walled cubicles, girls, aren't we? a woman. a woman is we? now, a woman. a woman is closer to the toilet than i am . closer to the toilet than i am. >> danny, we didn't. >> danny, we didn't. >> we're talking about embarrassment . embarrassment. >> we didn't need that explaining we know that. we explaining. we all know that. we didn't need it. i'm adding in graphic detail. >> no, but i'm trying to contextualise a layer of embarrassment blokes because embarrassment for blokes because i that it's the i said earlier that it's the women get more embarrassed. i said earlier that it's the worthe get more embarrassed. i said earlier that it's the worthe blokest more embarrassed. i said earlier that it's the worthe blokes sit|ore embarrassed. i said earlier that it's the worthe blokes sit down,1barrassed. i said earlier that it's the worthe blokes sit down, they're ed. >> the blokes sit down, they're not going to sit to go for not going to sit down to go for a look. then you wouldn't a wee look. then you wouldn't have embarrassment have the embarrassment of the waterfall effect . waterfall effect. >> i'm going to move on now.

>> i'm going to move on now. >> please do . >> please do. >> please do. >> please do. it's >> please do. it's too >> please do. it's too much information for sunday afternoon. exactly right. this show is nothing. it's abuse. this show is nothing without you and your views. so let's welcome one of our great british voices this is your opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you really think about the topics we're discussing this hour. we are heading to northamptonshire to speak regular voice to speak to regular voice miranda richardson. there you are, miranda, lovely to see you. thank you so much for joining are, miranda, lovely to see you. thank you so much forjoining us this sunday afternoon. so miranda, make of miranda, what do you make of this politics too this a gender politics gone too far. are we sort of like living in a surreal world where we've forgotten what common sense is? >> know what? >> well, do you know what? whatever to the phrase, >> well, do you know what? wititever to the phrase, >> well, do you know what? wit ain't to the phrase, >> well, do you know what? wit ain't don't» the phrase, >> well, do you know what? wit ain't don'ty thitphrase, if it ain't broke, don't fix it ? you know, we've managed for four centuries to have our own spaces, our own loos to go in male and female, and this last kind of 18 months, two years, we've all gone a little bit bonkers. you know , with this, bonkers. you know, with this, this need to have all these

spaces and all these extra loos and all these extra going, this one go that we were doing all right, weren't we? think we were doing okay. being able to navigate, going to the bathroom out and about. um, it just massively seems to have overcome implicated itself . um, massively seems to have overcome implicated itself. um, i used to go to a club in edinburgh many, many years ago now. um, and it was quite novel that when you went in there was a giant, massive copper , um, sink if you massive copper, um, sink if you like, so everybody could wash their hands around this beautiful copper sink. it was gorgeous. the went gorgeous. but the ladies went off to the left, to the cubicles , and the men went off to the right and what we shared was a wash space for hands. that was fine , you know, and it was a bit fine, you know, and it was a bit novel. it was what we could do and it quite nice. and this, and it was quite nice. and this, this gorgeous . this wash basin was gorgeous. but now you've just got this overcomplicated aspect. if you want to share space or save space with buildings and companies and things like that,

i get it. you know, every bit of square footage cost money. nowadays i can understand why they want to squeeze them in, but we've pushed it into but when we've pushed it into schools and we've pushed it into children , this is this is an children, this is this is an issue , you know, as grown ups, issue, you know, as grown ups, we can turn around and go back off, stay away my space. you know, as adults, we've got a little bit more capable of deaung little bit more capable of dealing with that. miranda i'm sorry to interrupt you. >> lovely. unfortunately we've run out of time, but thank you so much. voice voice of so much. voice their voice of common sense for common sense. that's miranda richardson, our regular voice in northamptonshire . right. you're northamptonshire. right. you're with dawn neesom on gb news on your tv, and on digital radio. coming up in the next hour, our next great british debate i'm asking, has the government lost control migrant crisis ? control of the migrant crisis? that's after your weather. let's find out what's happening . find out what's happening. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. looking ahead, rain on monday, particularly across england and wales, as low pressure moves through. but it does gradually turn warmer and drier and we can see that on the bigger picture, low pressure dominating the weather pattern. the next few days, but then high pressure building as head towards building in as we head towards wednesday. sunday, wednesday. so for sunday, starting to go downhill across england and wales as we move through rest of the day and through the rest of the day and into the early hours as this wet weather slowly north and weather spreads slowly north and eastwards, rain eastwards, some heavy rain developing , particularly across developing, particularly across north northern north wales into northern england. by the end of the night and could see some and here we could see some localised flooding and met office warning in force drier for northern ireland and scotland. temperatures generally remaining figures. so remaining in double figures. so that weather first thing that wet weather first thing across england wales . across england and wales. outbreaks heavy rain pushing outbreaks of heavy rain pushing north and eastwards could see north and eastwards we could see some flooding issues some localised flooding issues but gradually become but it just gradually become dner but it just gradually become drier and brighter from the west . by afternoon, northern . by the afternoon, northern ireland and scotland a brighter day here mixture of sunny spells

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hello. welcome back. you're with dawn neesom on gb news on tv and on digital radio. it's time for worldview now. and today we're having a very special interview for the 2024 american election. is well and truly getting into the swing of things. on the democrat side , joe biden is

democrat side, joe biden is facing a challenge from robert kennedy jr. nephew of former president j. f kennedy and son of former general robert f kennedy, of course, growing up in the middle of such an icon , in the middle of such an icon, dynasty comes with its ups and downs. robert kennedy jr has famously battled with a drug addiction earlier in his life and mr kennedy was interviewed by us documentary filmmaker daphne barak. this interview forms part of an upcoming documentary for the 60th anniversary for the assassination of jfk. can't believe it. have a look at this now , bobby, you were 14 and then now, bobby, you were 14 and then this huge tragedy which actually touched the nation, touched you so deep, so suddenly you fell into drugs . into drugs. >> can you tell me ? >> can you tell me? >> can you tell me? >> well, i wouldn't blame drugs on my on those tragedies. it may or may have not. you know, i feel like i was born an addict that i was born with, like you

know, an empty space inside of me that i was, you know , an me that i was, you know, an empty spiritual hole and that a lot of addicts feel that way. i knew i didn't want to be taking drugs and i didn't understand why i kept doing it. i had iron willpower in every other part of my life. i gave up candy for lent when i was 13, and i never ate candy again until i was in college. and i gave up desserts for lent. the next year and didn't eat desserts until i was in college, and i was trying to bulk up for i played sports in college and i felt like i could do anything with my willpower. and i could not believe that it would not work against drugs. and i you know, i was shooting . and i you know, i was shooting. i was doing intravenous heroin. that was my drug of choice from when i was 15. and i couldn't understand why i couldn't stop it. and i would i the most demoralising feature of addiction for me was that

incapacity to keep contracts with myself and to tell myself, okay, i'm not never going to do that again at 9:00 in the morning. and i would say it honestly, sincerely, earnestly . honestly, sincerely, earnestly. and at 4:00 that afternoon, i'd be doing it. and i could not understand why that was happening. and you know, it's cunning, baffling , powerful and cunning, baffling, powerful and you know, ultimately, i got when i was 28, i got sober. >> how did you make this decision ? decision? >> well, you know what? the thing is, i tried everything, but i did not try a 12 step programs because for me, it would have seemed insane to go into a group of strangers and start talking about anything private because you know, the consequences for doing something like that. in my position seemed it just would seemed, you know, cataclysmic to that it would be in the papers the next day. this is what i would think. i had.

the 12 steps are in, ten are are crafted . and to induce crafted. and to induce a spiritual awakening, they're not. it's not a religion, it's not. it's not a religion, it's not a god. it's not a there's no cosmic energy. there's no, you know , ideology. it's just it's know, ideology. it's just it's intended to induce everybody to find their own path to their own version of god . and it worked version of god. and it worked very quickly for me. and i as soon as that happened to me, i had a spiritual awakening a couple of months in and that that compulsion that i had just disappear . and it was like disappear. and it was like almost like i had never had it before . it was really it was before. it was really it was a for me , it was as much a miracle for me, it was as much a miracle as if i had, you know , learned as if i had, you know, learned to walk on water because it's miraculous. i had been trying honestly, sincerely , earnestly honestly, sincerely, earnestly for 14 years, and nothing worked right. >> joining me now to discuss that interview is paul duddridge, host of the politics

people podcast. paul, hello. lovely to see you. welcome. thank you for joining lovely to see you. welcome. thank you forjoining us. paul, thank you for joining us. paul, what did you make of the interview ? well, it was a very interview? well, it was a very personal story . personal story. >> again, really not very heavy on policy, which is something that's being levelled at rfk. >> look, he's a very attractive proposition in the democrat party and he is sharing his personal stories , how effective personal stories, how effective he's going to be as a campaigner, as an opponent to biden is another story. >> but , no, biden is another story. >> but, no, he's you biden is another story. >> but , no, he's you know, biden is another story. >> but, no, he's you know, he's obviously part of political royalty in the us. >> and to hear him talking so openly and frankly about his personal struggles is enlightened ing. >> but whether that translates into any effectiveness politically is another matter . politically is another matter. and he's currently polling at 15% against joe biden, who's polling at 64. so i think some kind of clarity about how effective this campaign of his is going to be is being

scrutinised . he was at iowa. scrutinised. he was at iowa. >> this is where the interview was, that the fantastic interview you just played . interview you just played. >> he's at iowa, which predates the caucuses . the caucuses. >> they call them the caucuses where local democrats in january will be deciding who they will back to be the candidate. >> and so he was there and he had a great time. but, you know, he was there and he did his sit down interview and he's fabulous i >> -- >> but trump turns up, has the biggest crowd they've ever, ever generate did at an iowa county fair, which sort of was the main event where all the politicians turned up. >> so you've got to get this into some sort of proportion ocean. what's what's attractive about about rfk is that he's talking about topics that perhaps we are more attuned to. >> you know, perhaps the overweening government, perhaps some of the social issues. he's very i think his problem actually is that he's too engrossed in the climate change, climate change debate. >> but he came to prominence because of his position on the

vaccine and lockdown . et cetera. vaccine and lockdown. et cetera. but i think there's only so much road for that within the democrat party. it's almost a shame that he's run as a democrat because if you see what they did to bernie sanders, who was actually an inside for who was actually an inside for who was actually a senator , and they was actually a senator, and they openly now acknowledge that they ngged openly now acknowledge that they rigged the primaries against him, this is not this is not conjecture. >> this has now been a matter of fact that to make sure that hillary was the candidate in 2016, you can see that rfk has no chance of really progressing and being the candidate. holly willoughby has got a greater chance of being the democrat candidate. >> oh, well, on that on that nomination for miss willoughby, we'll have to leave it there. we're thank you so we're out of time. thank you so much joining us. that's paul much forjoining us. that's paul duddridge, politics duddridge, host of the politics people bringing up people podcast, bringing us up to happening to date on what is happening with story in america. with the rfk story in america. you're watching dawn neesom on gb news. much more to come in the .

the next hour. you're with dawn neesom on gb news on tv and on digital radio for the next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now . coming up headlines right now. coming up in a few minutes, i'll be in just a few minutes, i'll be talking our very special talking to our very special mystery the mystery guest who enjoys the tinkling of the ivories. and for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, has the government lost control of the migrant crisis? but first, let's get latest news headlines get the latest news headlines with . aaron with. aaron >> very good afternoon to you. it's 5:02. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the government is facing renewed criticism of its immigration strategy after six migrants died when their vessel sank off the french coast yesterday . a total of 509 people yesterday. a total of 509 people crossed the english channel in ten small boats on saturday, bringing the total for the year.

so far to more than 16,500. campaign groups have described it as an appalling and preventable tragedy . it is a preventable tragedy. it is a further setback for the government's stop the boats pledge , which is one of prime pledge, which is one of prime minister rishi sunaks five key priorities. the home secretary, suella braverman, described the incident as a tragic loss of life . people in scotland and life. people in scotland and wales could soon be able to get nhs treatment they need in england to cut long waiting lists. the health secretary, steve barclay, says he's open to requests s and has invited scottish and welsh ministers to discuss how all parts of the uk can tackle waiting times in wales, more than 73,000 people have been waiting for more than a year and a half for treatment and at least 21,500 people in scotland have been waiting for about the same amount of time for an appointment. secretary of state for wales david davis says everyone should have access to the care they need . the care they need. >> it is a national health service and there's a clue in

the name there and everyone across the united kingdom is paying across the united kingdom is paying amount of tax paying the same amount of tax towards is towards the nhs and it is therefore manifestly wrong that some parts of the some people in parts of the united kingdom are waiting over two years for treatment. that would never happen frankly two years for treatment. that wol conservatives en frankly two years for treatment. that w0lconservatives are frankly two years for treatment. that w0lconservatives are running.nkly the conservatives are running. the . so we're offering the nhs. and so we're offering to patients in wales the to give patients in wales the same rights that would get same rights that they would get in to, if in england, which is to, if they're to travel, they they're prepared to travel, they can any hospital which can go to any hospital which can offer they offer them the treatment they need. >> e'- need. >> england and wales >> pubs in england and wales will be able to sell takeaway pints after the government decided to keep the covid pandemic licencing laws. the rules were due to expire in september, but number 10 told the sun the prime minister listened to the industry loud and clear . listened to the industry loud and clear. the listened to the industry loud and clear . the move listened to the industry loud and clear. the move is set to help the hospitality sector boost its sales and recover from the pandemic. it means that pubs and bars will not need to make a separate application to local councils for the extra licence needed for off site sales . a

needed for off site sales. a memorial service for the 25th anniversary of the omagh bombing has taken place in northern ireland. 29 people died in 1998 when the real ira left a car bomb in the town centre. it was the greatest single loss of life in the history of the troubles . in the history of the troubles. no one has been convicted of carrying out the attack. an independent inquiry independent statutory inquiry will be launched to look at the preventability of the blast , preventability of the blast, which devastated the town in county tyrone . 93 people have county tyrone. 93 people have now been confirmed dead from the wildfires on the hawaiian island of maui. it's now the deadliest us fire in over a century. and that number is expected to rise significantly in the coming days as authorities continue the task of identifying the bodies . of identifying the bodies. search teams with sniffer dogs have been sifting through the ruins of lahaina for days after the blaze levelled the historic resort town, obliterating buildings and melting cars support centres have been popping up support centres have been popping up all over the island , popping up all over the island,

giving survivors respite and trying to help families reunite i >> -- >>a -- >> a lot of families that were stuck and had to swim like i couldn't imagine my son swimming and my grandma swimming in the water. i think in my in my life what i have imagined that we would have something like this is a catastrophe of . an unequal is a catastrophe of. an unequal disaster . disaster. >> our entire island is been devastated by this. but none more so than the individuals who are still looking for loved ones or know that they've already lost their loved ones . lost their loved ones. >> and robert kennedy jr. lost their loved ones. >> and robert kennedy jr . whose >> and robert kennedy jr. whose father and uncle were assassinated because of their political views, says his family history hasn't discouraged him from attempting to run for the white house. his uncle, president john kennedy , was president john f kennedy, was assassinated in 1963, as was his father, robert kennedy, while he was running for the democratic presidential nomination in 1968. well, robert kennedy jr jr.

who's hoping to become the democratic candidate, is the fifth member of his family to run to be president of the united states. >> i think all of it everybody in my family is aware of the risk. but you know, i think , you risk. but you know, i think, you know, life is filled with risks . so and i think once she cheryl, was convinced that that there was a path to victory and that i think she felt like, you know , because i have a passion know, because i have a passion to do this, to solve some of these problems for our country. and i'm in a unique position to be able to do that. that she gave me the green light. >> well, this is gb news. i'll be back with more headlines at 6:00. now it's back to dawn .

6:00. now it's back to dawn. >> thank you, aaron. this is gb news. i'm dawn neesom. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. show is all right now. this show is all about opinion, theirs, but about opinion, mine, theirs, but most importantly , yours. we'll most importantly, yours. we'll be discuss and at be debating, discuss and at times disagreeing. but in a nice way. joining me today , it's way. joining me today, it's broadcaster and author christine hamilton and broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. still to come , though, each sunday at come, though, each sunday at 5:00, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who has an extremely interesting career to look at life after the job. we're at talk, the highs, the lows, the lessons learned and what comes next on the outside. today our guest first came to pubuc today our guest first came to public attention after six winning appearances on hughie green's british talent show opportunity knocks. in 1972. a regular performer at venues like the london palladium and across the london palladium and across the world, his performed in shows like the rocky horror picture show and chicago . any

picture show and chicago. any guesses? well, always going to be revealed very soon at and for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, has the government lost control of the migrant crisis? we've had tragedy in the channel and another 509 arrived by boat yesterday . yet the government yesterday. yet the government has doubled down on its commitment to migrant barges. as always, you can email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet us at . gb news. gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet us at. gb news. and gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet us at . gb news. and now it's at. gb news. and now it's time for this week's outside. and i am thrilled to be joined by a very special guest indeed. he first rose to stardom in the 70s when he had a grand total of six wins in itv's talent competition. opportunity knocks . he is most well known for his single, borsellino . our mystery single, borsellino. our mystery guest even hosted the game show. sounds like music you might have seen him in stage productions of the rocky horror picture show

and chicago , right? guessed who and chicago, right? guessed who it is yet? well always going to be revealed. now, i'm joined today by music legend bobby crush . crush. >> thank you, dawn. >> thank you, dawn. >> thank you, dawn. >> thank you. thank you so much for coming in on a sunday afternoon. lovely to you in afternoon. lovely to have you in the thank you. really afternoon. lovely to have you in the to thank you. really afternoon. lovely to have you in the to see “hank you. really afternoon. lovely to have you in the to see you. you. really afternoon. lovely to have you in the to see you. so,j. really afternoon. lovely to have you in the to see you. so, bobby,y afternoon. lovely to have you in the to see you. so, bobby, what good to see you. so, bobby, what are you up to now ? are you up to now? >> oh, well, that's a very good question. >> and i've kind of slowed down a bit in terms of live performances . performances. >> i've become a little bit selective and what i'm doing at this very moment is completing my autobiography. wow. because last year i celebrated 50 years in show business. >> and i thought that that was a significant landmark. >> and appropriate for me to actually bring a book out and tell all. >> and how are you telling all? are you really telling? are you being a bit selective ? being a bit selective? >> no, not really, because i think if you're going to write a book of that nature, there's no point in doing it unless you're going to be 100% truthful.

>> so i'm talking about the people that i've worked with who i liked, the people who i worked with, who i didn't like, i'm very interested in. >> oh yeah, i know most people will be. >> and about personal relationships and the ups and downs of being in what is actually a very challenging business because it's forever changed thing. and to be able to survive five, six decades in this industry, i think takes a bit of bottle . bit of bottle. >> i think that's the thing. as you say, the industry certainly recently has evolved so fast . recently has evolved so fast. yes, it really has. and you've beenin yes, it really has. and you've been in it, as you say, for six decades now. how do you think about the fact that people of your generation , stars of your your generation, stars of your generation, are now constantly judged on the morals and what's the word, morals and issues we have today ? do you think that's have today? do you think that's fair on previous generations of stars and celebrities? >> yeah, i know what you're referring to. i mean, shows like

the black and white minstrel show , which and even benny hill show, which and even benny hill and things like that . yeah, and things like that. yeah, well, you know, the black and whites, you know, in the 70s it was one of the biggest selling shows not just on tv, but on stage as well. and many careers were made out of it. and you look back on it now and you think, well, yes, it's a bit iffy. and how did it ever really get off the ground without people before now saying , you people before now saying, you know, this is an appropriate entertainment. but i guess people will always say that it was of the time and we move on. but yes , i think it's very but yes, i think it's very difficult now to look back on these things and not be judgemental. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so what's the juice? give us a hint of the juiciest thing you're going to put in your mouth. just a hint. so we rush out the juiciest things. >> well, i. >> well, i. >> not concerning people you like. >> not concerning people you uke. one >> not concerning people you like. one your best like. i know one of your best friends anita friends is the lovely anita harris, had. friends is the lovely anita haroh, had. friends is the lovely anita haroh, my had. friends is the lovely anita haroh, my goodness. >> oh, my goodness. >> oh, my goodness. >> the other week. absolutely gorgeous.

>> i know. i saw the interview that you do with anita, is that you do with anita, who is one best friends . i've one of my best friends. i've known her since 1973. and it's extraordinary that she still looks exactly the same as when i first worked with her. >> she jumped up on that stool that you're sitting on like she was 16. >> she is very fit and she looks brilliant. well, i don't know that it's a juicy aspect of my autobiography, but it's a truthful part. and i talk about how i struggled hard with being gay at a time when in entertainment it wasn't really acceptable. you know , i didn't acceptable. you know, i didn't remind us. >> bobby, when you came out as gay, um, around about my 50th birthday and the reason for it is because nobody no journalist had ever outwardly asked me that question, are you gay? >> and it wasn't until i did an interview with gay times about 20 years ago that somebody actually had the i was going to

say balls to no, let's stick with, shall we, to come out with it. and i was truthful and i was honest and it was very difficult because i did opportunity knocks when i was 18 and it was about the time that i was coming to terms with my sexuality . but at terms with my sexuality. but at the same time, i was being thrust into the public gaze and deaung thrust into the public gaze and dealing with stardom and at the same time, my management's being very aware that if i were to say anything or if i were to be found out that it had the potential to finish a career. so i was doing it was a juggling act and i was having to deal with all these things and it was difficult . but we come through difficult. but we come through it, don't we? >> and it must be quite difficult to live a lie , as it difficult to live a lie, as it were, to not be able to be your true self. yes, it must have been an enormous mental health pressure on you .

pressure on you. >> pressure on you. >> well, there was. i mean, at that time my father gave up his job to become my road manager and he used to drive me to all my gigs and i never came out to my gigs and i never came out to my father because i always thought that it was something that he wouldn't deal with particularly well. well he was an intelligent man . he would an intelligent man. he would have put two and two together and come up with four. but i always thought that if i said anything to him, it could not just affect how we were as father and son, but it would also affect how we were in terms of performer and manager. so i just kept schtum basically, and all the relationships that i had as a result were kept under wraps . it was as a result were kept under wraps. it was all very cloak and dagger and when i look back i think, well, it was all so unnecessary and i think that if i'd had that conversation with my dad, there'd have been a couple of days of huffing and puffing, and then it would all have been forgotten. >> do you do you think it would have affected your career? >> oh, undoubtedly. i, i mean, when opportunity knocks,

when i did opportunity knocks, it was really strange because the music that i was playing, which was all old time stuff, songs from the 30s and 40s and what have you, was appealing to the mums and dads. but because i was not bad looking 18 year old, i was getting a very cute. >> i've been looking at the pictures. yeah you still are, by the way. oh, thank you. >> not for an old bag, but >> not bad for an old bag, but my line, by the way . so. yeah, i my line, by the way. so. yeah, i was. i was attracting a lot of following from young girls. and in fact , there was a bobby crush in fact, there was a bobby crush fan club and i was getting marriage proposals and requests for snippets of my hair and all of that kind of thing. and i didn't like the deception of it because you know, in in the girlie magazines like bunty and what have you, you would have been asked about girlfriends and what did you like? girlfriends exactly. know , most of exactly. and, you know, most of my friends are female , but i, i, my friends are female, but i, i, i don't do the deed. so you .

i don't do the deed. so you. yeah, it was hard. and it's a lot different now because, of course, there's gay storylines in soap operas. there's out gay p0p in soap operas. there's out gay pop stars. nobody really bothers about it anymore . but it was about it anymore. but it was a big deal in 1972 and i had to cope with that as well as all the other things that were happening in my life at the time. >> did you get when you did initially come out? >> oh, nobody was surprised . it >> oh, nobody was surprised. it was like, oh, yeah . and it was was like, oh, yeah. and it was fine. and also by then, you know, we were talking about the 1990s, by which time i'd established my career , things established my career, things had got a lot easier. and, you know, people's attitudes , i know, people's attitudes, i mean, we had gay marriage now and everything and it's the it's become the norm and in some and in some parts it's become like quite trendy. >> oh, very trendy. absolutely absolutely. but so what i do find i don't know about you, bobby. what i find quite surprising is you still have people like phillip schofield, for example, people who feel

like they still have hide like they still have to hide their sexuality even in 2023. >> well, the schofield thing was unfortunate , innit, in that he unfortunate, innit, in that he was married with kids and had this whole facade going on. i never had that. i never attempted to hide behind , find attempted to hide behind, find a girlfriend or wife or kids or anything like that. and and i think that when philip was coming up in, in the business as the focus was very much on a family man presenting a show like this morning. so you know i think in a lot of cases there are bisexual guys that do the marriage thing in order to look . correct. yes. you know , did . correct. yes. you know, did you think it's a shame still that people have to do that, as you say, there is nothing wrong with with being gay in any sense . yes, i think it's terribly sad. and in this day and age, totally unnecessary . and you

totally unnecessary. and you know, i'm a huge fan of johnny mathis, who is an outwardly gay performer. he came out some years ago. he's he's following is all women. i mean, i went to see him in new york about three weeks ago, and i was one of the very few guys in the audience. and everybody thought at the time, you know, when he eventually came out, that it would affect his following. but you know, it doesn't they don't they don't care. they like the music. they like the voice. and they like him. and as long as that's the case, you know, why should we bother? exactly. >> well, thank you so much for coming on, bob. unfortunately, we out of time. we have to go run out of time. i know, i know. frustrating. know, i know. it's frustrating. so the going to be called? >> and it's got the working title moment of the title at the moment of not the boy next okay. because boy next door. okay. because everybody was the everybody thought that i was the boy when i first came boy next door when i first came on the scene. but there were hidden layers . hidden layers. >> that sounds like there's going very juicy going to be some very juicy stuff in there. i can't wait to read it. >> it'll interesting.

>> it'll be interesting. >> it'll be interesting. >> sorry. well, you so >> i'm sorry. well, thank you so much on. my pleasure. much for coming on. my pleasure. your time. sorry it's so short. >> unfortunately, have >> unfortunately, we could have talked for hours. >> could have done. >> we could have done. absolutely. get some absolutely. i want to get some of from you, but of that detail from you, but i'll have to read the book, as will right. coming next, will you. right. coming up next, we move unfortunately, to we do move on, unfortunately, to taking or taking the knee anti—racist or virtue signalling gb news presenter butterworth virtue signalling gb news presentethe butterworth virtue signalling gb news presentethe debate butterworth virtue signalling gb news presentethe debate againrworth virtue signalling gb news presentethe debate again last:h sparked the debate again last night be debating that night and we'll be debating that later the show. but first, later in the show. but first, let's what that weather's let's see what that weather's doing you . doing out there for you. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news earlier on weather on. gb news earlier on gb news radio. >> now heatwaves aren't stopping british holidaymakers from racing for the sun as holiday pnces racing for the sun as holiday prices go through the roof after stagnating for years in a row. yeah. >> in fact , europe's travel >> in fact, europe's travel giant tui says that its average selling price is almost 30% up, whilst bookings made in the past week were 5% higher than last summer . summer. >> well, nick calvin, editor of

the travel website the points guy uk joins us this morning on top of the morning to you nick. so i'm assuming that basically brits are looking out their window, seeing the dreadful weather and they're getting clicking and going abroad . clicking and going abroad. >> that's right. well, i'm looking out of my window now and it's not looking like the august that we'd hoped for. i think lots of people experience the weather in june thought, do weather in june and thought, do you can manage you know what we can manage it at summer and that at home this summer and that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> sorry about that. everything that was wrong with the clip so well. yeah. okay. we'll bring the right one up after this very short break. don't worry. thank you

news. the people's channel or britain's news . news. the people's channel or britain's news. channel >> right. okay. as promised, i'm dawn neesom still dawn neesom . dawn neesom still dawn neesom. and here is the weather. the proper weather . i told you we proper weather. i told you we were bringing it. have a look. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg jewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. looking ahead, rain on monday, particularly across england and wales, as low pressure moves through, but it does gradually turn warmer and drier and we can see that on the bigger picture, low pressure dominating the weather in the next few weather pattern in the next few days, but then high pressure building we towards

building in as we head towards wednesday. sunday, wednesday. so for sunday, starting to go downhill across england and wales as we move through the rest of the and through the rest of the day and into early hours as this wet into the early hours as this wet weather spreads slowly north and eastwards, some heavy rain developing, particularly across north northern north wales into northern england. end of the england. by the end of the night. here we could see night. and here we could see some localised flooding. a met office warning in force drier for northern ireland and scotland. temperatures generally remaining in double so remaining in double figures. so that wet weather first thing across england wales . across england and wales. outbreaks of rain pushing outbreaks of heavy rain pushing north and eastwards we could see some flooding issues north and eastwards we could see somit flooding issues north and eastwards we could see somit does flooding issues north and eastwards we could see somit does gradually ng issues north and eastwards we could see somit does gradually become s but it does gradually become dner but it does gradually become drier and brighter from the west by the afternoon. northern ireland and scotland. a brighter day here, a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers in the best of any sunshine, temperatures reaching around 21 or 22 celsius. but if you're stuck under the cloud and the rain, it will feel on the chilly side. so that rain does push away by tuesday, it start away by tuesday, it does start to brighten up. we've got to then brighten up. we've got plenty of sunny spells for the day a scattering day ahead. a scattering of showers north

showers largely across the north and the west of the uk and into wednesday and thursday. that high pressure continues build high pressure continues to build in dry weather, sunny in plenty of dry weather, sunny spells temperatures rising . spells and temperatures rising. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. welcome back. >> that's better, isn't it? proper weather . you're with dawn proper weather. you're with dawn neesom on gb news on tv and on digital radio. right. okay, we move on now. it is actually a time for our great british debate this hour. i'm asking, has the government lost control of the migrant crisis? the home office is stop the boats week has been quite disaster, hasn't it? the only boat that managed to stop is the bibby stockholm itself. all 39 migrants on that on that boat had to be evacuated after legionella bacteria was discovered in the water supply. the barge is part of the government's migration policy intended to cut the cost of housing asylum seekers, estimated at between 6 and £7 million a day. but it's not been

smooth sailing, has it? with delays over safety concerns and a legal challenges. a flurry of legal challenges. that has rishi sunak pledged to stop those boats gone according to plan. will the tories be able to plan. will the tories be able to tackle it? will labour be able to tackle it so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking has the government lost control of the migrant crisis ? thrilled to say. i'm crisis? thrilled to say. i'm joined by former labour minister for europe , denis macshane and for europe, denis macshane and journalist and political commentator kim rye, now one of the most shocking headlines i saw today was, i think in the telegraph, more barges , which i telegraph, more barges, which i would have thought on the face of it was probably not a great idea . kim, should we come to you idea. kim, should we come to you first on this one? do we need more barges or do we need a policy that works? >> no, we need a policy that works. >> and that would be, in my opinion, stopping the boats from coming in the first place is it would be a good idea if they would be a good idea if they would find where these these

dinghies are being manufactured and stopping the production of them or, you know , what's them or, you know, what's happening here is they're coming across on dinghies that have been provided by these criminal traffickers that business model needs to be shattered . needs to be shattered. >> and the only way this is ever going to stop is if that happens i >> -- >> okay . and coming to you now, >> okay. and coming to you now, dennis , as i said, i was shocked dennis, as i said, i was shocked by this headline, more barges despite obviously the bibby stockholm not working . do you stockholm not working. do you think the government has lost complete control of this , the complete control of this, the migration crisis and do you think labour would have any better plans ? better plans? >> do i think it well? lee anderson does. you know , lee, anderson does. you know, lee, i've debated with him on gb news a very strong nottingham mine worker, and he says we have failed. i mean, he's talking about the government. >> i can't think in my political lifetime of a policy announced with such kind of fanfare that's

turned so catastrophic, so fast. >> a hundred thousand illegal immigrants just coming across on big canoes . forget the others big canoes. forget the others coming in on lots of other ways. you can come into the uk . priti you can come into the uk. priti patel announced all that in 2018 and then suella braverman both should go . ministers heads must should go. ministers heads must roll. you hear them blaming the blob, the civil servants, everybody dodi agree with everything kim said . everybody dodi agree with everything kim said. but everybody dodi agree with everything kim said . but you everything kim said. but you know, i'm not an expert . she is. know, i'm not an expert. she is. perhaps she is an expert . kim, perhaps she is an expert. kim, i'm sorry. it's not our job to i'm sorry. it's not ourjob to say what should be done. that's what you've got a minister there for. and he or in this case too, she's have failed contemptibly and caused a huge unnecessary. how a row with lots of accusations that aren't fair on both sides and both should be dismissed tomorrow morning and rishi sunak should find someone competent to run that part of the government's business. >> strong words indeed. dennis

kim, what do you make of that? they should all go get someone who can do the job properly. >> none of them are fit for purpose. >> labour conservative, lib dem, none of the main parties. it's obvious now they're spent . all obvious now they're spent. all of them. they're all a busted flush. what we need is a new flush. what we need now is a new government composed or comprised of a new political party which would be the likes of reform and reclaim and heritage. if they could get their heads together to get any kind of differences or who wants to be in charge. what we need now is something completely new. these the people at the top now in westminster, none of them have got a clue if they lived here and saw what happens on this coast. so all the things that we see, see the things that don't get reported in newspapers or the in the newspapers or on the media, what this government is doing really is goading the public, because now what we've got is a deeply divided country with people on one side and other people on the other and never the twain. and this has set people against each other. it's set communities against

each other . there's it's set communities against each other. there's suspicion about people because of where they come from . not all migrants they come from. not all migrants are bad, some are bad, some are good. are bad, some are bad, some are good . like the indigenous good. like the indigenous population . it's as simple as population. it's as simple as that. and what we need to do now is there's some serious talking needs to be done covering all aspects of this . there's a lot aspects of this. there's a lot of this story that is not being told by the media or discussed in parliament. >> well, hopefully we can tell the story properly here on gb news. unfortunately we have run out of time. so but we will definitely be coming back to this topic that's kim ryan, journalist and political commentator, and dennis mcshane, journalist and political commelabour and dennis mcshane, journalist and political commelabour minister1is mcshane, journalist and political commelabour minister for’vicshane, former labour minister for europe. thank you much for europe. thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. right. dawn neesom right. you are with dawn neesom on gb news tv and digital on gb news on tv and digital radio. coming up, we'll continue our great british debate. i'm asking, has the government lost control the migrant crisis? control of the migrant crisis? you've heard thoughts you've heard the thoughts of those indeed . those two. very strong indeed. and so also we will hear the thoughts of panel, christine thoughts of my panel, christine hamilton danny but hamilton and danny kelly. but first, news headlines first, the latest news headlines with armstrong .

with aaron arm strong. >> with aaron armstrong. >> it's 532. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. a total of 509 people crossed the english channelin 509 people crossed the english channel in ten small boats on the day six people died when a vessel carrying migrants sank off the coast of france. it bnngs off the coast of france. it brings the total for the year to more than 16,500 and puts renewed pressure on the government to tackle the crisis of migrant crossings. rishi sunak has made stopping the boats one of his five key priorities . boats one of his five key priorities. campaigners boats one of his five key priorities . campaigners say the priorities. campaigners say the incident was an appalling and preventable tragedy . mps from preventable tragedy. mps from all parties are calling for action to stop criminal gangs profiting from the dangerous journeys . people in scotland and journeys. people in scotland and wales could soon be able to get an nhs treatment in england to cut long waiting lists. health secretary steve barclay says he's open to requests and has ianed he's open to requests and has invited the scottish and welsh health minister to discuss how

all parts of the uk can help reduce the backlog. in wales, more than 73,000 people have been waiting for more than a year and a half for treatment. at least 21,500 people in scotland have been waiting the same amount of time for an appointment . relatives of those appointment. relatives of those who lost their lives in the omagh bombing 25 years ago have gathered to remember their loved ones at service to mark the ones at a service to mark the anniversary. 29 people, including woman pregnant with including a woman pregnant with twins, died and hundreds more were injured in the car bomb attack by the real ira. it was the greatest single loss of life in the history of the troubles. no criminally no one's been criminally convicted carrying out the convicted of carrying out the attack. an independent statutory inquiry will be launched look inquiry will be launched to look at of the at the preventability of the blast, which devastated the town .labour blast, which devastated the town . labour has pledged to recruit more than 6500 new teachers in a plan to tackle regional recruitment gaps. supply teacher spending has doubled in the last year. spending has doubled in the last year . labour says its year. labour says its recruitment plan to create more opportunities for young people

would more than fill teacher vacancies and temporarily filled roles and would give stability for those children worst affected by those teacher vacancies . that's it for the vacancies. that's it for the moment. more in about half an hours moment. more in about half an hour's time and more on our website. gbnews.com . thank you, erin. >> coming up on the show, we'll be continuing our great british debate this afternoon. has the government lost control of the migrant crisis? be joined migrant crisis? i'll be joined again hamilton and again by christine hamilton and danny all coming danny kelly. that's all coming up very

7:00 this evening. gb news is the people's . channel the people's. channel >> hello, i'm dawn neesom and this is gb news on your tv and on your digital radio. it's time for our great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, has the government lost control of the migrant crisis ? the home office migrant crisis? the home office has stopped the boats week has been, well, quite the disaster really . all 39 migrants on board really. all 39 migrants on board the bibby stockholm had to be evacuated after legionella bacteria was discovered in the water supply . the barge is bacteria was discovered in the water supply. the barge is part of government's migration of the government's migration policy the cost policy intended to cut the cost of housing asylum seekers in hotels. but it's not been smooth sailing, has it, with delays over concerns and over safety concerns and a flurry of legal challenges. so has rishi sunak pledged to stop the boats gone according to plan ? or will the tories be able to tackle the migrant crisis? will laboun tackle the migrant crisis? will labour, for that matter? so for the great british debate this hour, the great british debate this hour , i'm asking has the

hour, i'm asking has the government lost control of the migrant crisis? let's see what my panel make of this joined again. lovely with christine hamilton and danny kelly, a very hot topic. lots of debate on this one, both amongst the listeners and the viewers and onune listeners and the viewers and online now , the two stories that online now, the two stories that caught my well, the main story on this one was the sunday telegraph today, which says that the government think we should have more barges because that's worked so well so far , hasn't worked so well so far, hasn't it? what do you make of that it? so what do you make of that one, danny? >> i mean, the question is, has the government lost control? the government has never the government has never had the control to lose it. control in order to lose it. >> that point. >> there is that point. >> there is that point. >> was an element of >> there was an element of control the gangmasters control until the gangmasters and the people who are getting paid to transport paid thousands to transport these the water, these people over the water, there is an element of control. until they realise they there is an element of control. untilas ey realise they there is an element of control. untilas wellalise they there is an element of control. untilas well just they there is an element of control. untilas well just use they to may as well just use dinghies to get them over to england. so there was an element control there was an element of control when into hgvs when they were stuffed into hgvs and that control. when they were stuffed into hgvs and could that control. when they were stuffed into hgvs and could putat control. when they were stuffed into hgvs and could put them control. when they were stuffed into hgvs and could put them through you could put them through various checks and there were

fewer people. and i always wondered, i never understood why they weren't using dinghies. they to get they were using dinghies to get from to italy or boats. from libya to italy or boats. i should say. you've got should say. and you've got a much shorter stretch of water. and baffled me. i said one and it baffled me. i said one day they're going to start using dinghies. then enough, dinghies. and then sure enough, and was around the and i think it was around the pre covid time or maybe covid 2018 is when it starts. yes. and that no surprise to me at that was no surprise to me at all. i don't know what all. and i just don't know what the we can do. it the hell we can do. it's it seems be under unstoppable seems to be under unstoppable unless i've said this unless and i've said this before, unless we pay the french just to saturate at french coastline with gendarme and soldiers . and as soon as they soldiers. and as soon as they see a dinghy, you stab it. that's the only thing i can think about. the problem is, christine, we've given the french 500 million plus to solve this problem already, and they're not doing it well , i they're not doing it well, i used think until i think it used to think until i think it was week the pictures was last week when the pictures i to think that these boats i used to think that these boats were going off some were going off from some secluded was difficult for >> and it was very difficult for the authorities to find the french authorities to find which they were which little cove they were going were going from. there were photographs them off

photographs of them setting off from where from a holiday beach where there were makers kids were holiday makers with kids paddung were holiday makers with kids paddling sea next door to paddling in the sea next door to these not exactly these boats. so it's not exactly secret. yes, of course, secret. and yes, of course, we've lost control. as danny said, never control . i mean, said, never had control. i mean, it cameron who it was david cameron who promised to migration to promised to get migration to down the tens of thousands. i mean , where's that gone? i mean, mean, where's that gone? i mean, i tories have i think the tories have basically lied to the electorate all the way through. they've been mean, been so lax on it. i mean, i remember after the war in the early 50s, it was 50,000 a year and people then thought , what and people then thought, what are to do with 50,000? are we going to do with 50,000? how we to going cope? and how are we to going cope? and england i mean england, not england and i mean england, not the uk. england is the most densely country and densely populated country and we're spending an absolute fortune. so yes, the barges are a cheaper option to these luxury. it's ludico to luxury. i mean, it's ludico to put migrants in a luxury put these migrants in a luxury hotel when you people who hotel when you have people who have weddings cancelled, hotel when you have people who have living ddings cancelled, hotel when you have people who have living on ngs cancelled, hotel when you have people who have living on the cancelled, hotel when you have people who have living on the streets,ed, people living on the streets, veterans, unhoused, i mean , veterans, unhoused, i mean, we've got our priorities. absolutely >> and it's destroying it's destroying local communities as well. we have sort of well. i mean, we have sort of like, you the tourist like, you know, the tourist industry towns industry and many seaside towns is decimated because of this issue. mean, we've had 100,000

issue. i mean, we've had 100,000 arrived since that's arrived since 2018. that's equivalent to the town of rochdale or gillingham in kent. so more barges. i don't think it's going to work, but we all seem able to sit and criticise, but we don't know what the answer is. now, the french don't seem to be doing their bit, but the eu seems okay with the greeks pushing back their policy on pushing back migrants, attempting to cross the mediterranean to turkish waters as the eu seems fine with that . as the eu seems fine with that. yet they have an issue with what we're doing well, because we left, we left brexit. >> that's why we punished for brexit being punished for brexit. and what to do brexit. and what we need to do is the echr and if is get out of the echr and if you remember, there were 6 or 7 people in their seats on a flight to rwanda when suddenly it was halted by one anonymous judge sitting alone in strasbourg. we have no idea who it was who said no , no, this is it was who said no, no, this is against their human rights . they against their human rights. they get off the plane. that get them off the plane. so that was how rwanda came to a halt while still allow unelected while we still allow unelected european judges to control what

goes on in our country, we're neven goes on in our country, we're never, ever going to get. danny, do agree with do you agree with that? >> european court of >> i mean, the european court of human to human rights protects us all to a extent . it's not just a certain extent. it's not just migrants. really frustrates me >> what really frustrates me with people who oppose christine's proposal is the fact that they say, well, quite that they say, well, i quite like human rights. i mean, the supposition is based on the fact that we are not going give that we are not going to give anyone any rights. we're anyone any human rights. we're a perfectly one anyone any human rights. we're a pethetly one anyone any human rights. we're a pethe most one anyone any human rights. we're a pethe most civilised one anyone any human rights. we're a pethe most civilised countries of the most civilised countries on earth. we're more than on planet earth. we're more than capable sort of capable of making some sort of equivalence . it's with human equivalence. it's with human rights now get back to your rights now to get back to your point rwanda, christine , point with rwanda, christine, i'm not if that flight had i'm not sure if that flight had taken with half a dozen taken off with half a dozen people 6 people. i'm not people, 6 or 7 people. i'm not sure that would have been a deterrent anyway. i'm not convinced anything is going deterrent anyway. i'm not co detered anything is going deterrent anyway. i'm not co deter these anything is going deterrent anyway. i'm not co deter these these|ing is going deterrent anyway. i'm not co deter these these individuals] to deter these these individuals if they're if they're holed up in in a camp somewhere, living in in a camp somewhere, living in squalor in northern france and they're prepared to get on a dinghy. and by the way, i know that six, six people tragically lost their lives. but overwhelmingly, the odds are that going to it that you're going to make it to blighty. talking like six, blighty. we're talking like six, six lost their six people tragically lost their

lives. of lives. how many tens of thousands so the odds thousands haven't. so the odds are overwhelming that you're going escorted to a to going to get escorted to a to a southern coast in the uk. >> well, which brings me on to the mail. on sunday splash today, very firmly today, where they're very firmly blaming because blaming the french because although tragic story although this this tragic story with that capsized although this this tragic story with six that capsized although this this tragic story withsix people that capsized although this this tragic story withsix people didat capsized although this this tragic story withsix people did lose)sized although this this tragic story withsix people did lose theiri and six people did lose their lives like five, six miles lives was like five, six miles off the french coastline, there was to the uk. was escorted to the uk. >> i couldn't agree more. people are saying, why was the british lifeboat collecting them when it was so close to france and when they collected them , why did they collected them, why did they collected them, why did they them to uk? they bring them back to the uk? apparently french. what is apparently the french. what is it? the associated nautique something the french lifeboat couldn't cope for whatever reason, they radioed the british lifeboats at 4:00 in the morning and said, will you please come and said, will you please come and help? there are people drowning. so needless to say, of course they went help. but course they went to help. but what cannot understand is why what i cannot understand is why they around brought they turned around and brought them didn't them back to england. why didn't they back france? them back to england. why didn't they it's back france? them back to england. why didn't they it's not back france? them back to england. why didn't they it's not like ack france? them back to england. why didn't they it's not like anybodyince? them back to england. why didn't they it's not like anybody knows yeah it's not like anybody knows that. know. yeah. that. please let us know. yeah. why >> medical facilities are obviously in france obviously not as good in france as they are in country .

as they are in this country. plight. >> they arrive, they're given a mobile they're given mobile phone, they're given pocket given pocket money. they're given if they the barges, they're they are on the barges, they're given of given taxis in and out of weymouth they've got of weymouth and they've got sort of squash restaurants . squash courts and restaurants. >> idiotic equivalence to a >> the idiotic equivalence to a prison ship. there are some lunatics on the other side of this argument who are saying lunatics on the other side of thistantamount/ho are saying lunatics on the other side of thistantamount to are saying lunatics on the other side of thistantamount to a re saying lunatics on the other side of thistantamount to a prison ng it's tantamount to a prison ship. with ship. what is wrong with a prison cannot get off prison ship? you cannot get off a prison ship. >> no. true right. >> no. true right. >> we good enough for troops in the falklands, good enough for oil workers. oil rig workers. >> and it's been good >> why not? and it's been good enough for germany and holland as also didn't they? so. as well. also didn't they? so. right. show is nothing right. but this show is nothing without you and your views . so without you and your views. so let's welcome one of our great british voices your british voices this is your opportunity on the show opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you really think the topics we're think about the topics we're discussing this hour. we are heading milton keynes to talk heading to milton keynes to talk to regular gb voice doctor chesney muddier. thank you very much for joining chesney muddier. thank you very much forjoining us this much for joining us this afternoon . you've heard the afternoon. you've heard the paneps afternoon. you've heard the panel's opinions about the migrant debate and whether the government do have any control. what do you make of this ?

what do you make of this? >> good afternoon, dawn. great to see you in a fantastic show . to see you in a fantastic show. i do agree with the panel and with everyone that's been talking about the migrant crisis . i think the government has lost control. clearly looking at the thousands of migrants that have come across the recent deaths , about six that have died deaths, about six that have died , millions have been spent of the government's, the taxpayers money. clearly, whatever rishi sunak has done , suella braverman sunak has done, suella braverman and priti patel is not working. so we need to revisit whatever measures have been put in place to tackle the migrant crisis because it's not working and the government has lost control . government has lost control. >> thank you very much. that's dr. stephanie mudaliar there joining us, one of our great british voices right. okay. another story that caught my eye today is gb news contributor benjamin butterworth, who took the knee last night on the saturday five show in solidarity with premier league players

who've agreed to do it once again this week. who've agreed to do it once again this week . this year, this again this week. this year, this season. let's have a look at what you did. >> i mean, you must agree with that as well. >> yeah, i think i think anybody who cares about racism should take and i'll take the take the knee and i'll take the knee now. no i think this isn't posturing. >> this is about supporting anti—racism. good god. albie is right . right. >> you've been listening at home. benjamin butterworth just took the knee . okay took the knee. okay >> all right. thank you, benjamin. implying that if you don't take the knee, you are somehow racist. danny. well look, it's a saturday evening show . show. >> benjamin obviously taking advantage of the free booze and the green room with something as unhinged as that. the problem with the premier league is that they've they've gone down this this hole they're this rabbit hole and they're trying find light and get out trying to find light and get out of what point you of it. at what point do you stop taking knee? genuinely taking the knee? i genuinely believe what they should do. they ballot they should have a secret ballot and premier league and ask every premier league footballer, do you want to continue? and i bet you overwhelmingly it would probably be the high 90% that they do

be in the high 90% that they do not want to continue . and also not want to continue. and also i feel desperately sorry for a white footballer who out of some sort of political moral objection, doesn't want to take the knee. can you imagine being a white lad standing up when everyone else is taking knee? >>i knee? >>| knee? >> i to be fair, last >> i mean, to be fair, last season, wilfried, zaha from crystal, black lad, fell crystal, he's a black lad, fell able to do it. he said, i'm not doing this. it's ridiculous. this is more than it this is more divisive than it should it doesn't do anything. >> so a anything. » so a >> so when a black player, a black can do that, as black player can do that, as danny for a white player danny says, for a white player to do that, but for benjamin to say that that means you're a racist mental is completely he's off . he really off his trolley. he really is. it is nothing with racism it is nothing to do with racism . american sick final . it's an american sick final anyway, taking the knee. it all started in america. black lives matter, etcetera . and has no matter, etcetera. and it has no place in british football . it place in british football. it really should really hasn't. politics should not be. >> are surprised that >> are you surprised that they're doing it again? i mean, i this story . i read this story. >> i am. but they need to get out of this problem because they need they stopped out of this problem because they need it. they stopped out of this problem because they need it. now, they stopped out of this problem because they need it. now, the they stopped out of this problem because they need it. now, the lowerstopped taking it. now, the lower leagues, they stopped it leagues, they stopped doing it because weren't putting because the fans weren't putting up with it. they just weren't. because the fans weren't putting up why it. they just weren't. because the fans weren't putting up why are they just weren't. because the fans weren't putting up why are lowerust weren't. because the fans weren't putting up why are lower leaguezn't. because the fans weren't putting up why are lower league teams

so why are lower league teams allowed the knee? allowed to stop taking the knee? surely the knee is so surely if taking the knee is so symbolically they symbolically important, they should in divisions three should do it in divisions three and and then continue it and four and then continue it all way down regional all the way down to regional divisions. it's the divisions. so it's just the premier and all to premier league and it's all to do and i'm sorry, it's do with and i'm sorry, it's virtue as the virtue signalling as far as the faa are concerned. the premier league sorry. >> yeah. and christine, obviously it is the premiership and premiership and many of those premiership players to play in players went to qatar to play in the a country the world cup, a country that has human rights . absolutely has the human rights. absolutely racist, misogynistic, homophobic . yes. so they took the money to go and play in the world cup and now they're going to get on their knees and their rainbow laces. massively >> yeah, it's massively hypocritical. as says, hypocritical. and as danny says, it pure virtue signalling. it is pure virtue signalling. but i am not surprised that a single white player doesn't have the cojones to come out and say, i'm not doing this. the cojones to come out and say, i'm not doing this . i just will i'm not doing this. i just will get there's an incredible photograph . photograph. >> when england played senegal, senna , gall, a team of african senna, gall, a team of african men and england took the knee and senegal remained standing. >> what are doing ? >> what are you doing? >> what are you doing? >> a remarkable >> it's such a remarkable juxtaposition, says it all. >> it does say it all.

>> it does say it all. >> so yeah, benjamin, you've certainly got a heated debate going here so typical of benjamin. >> i mean, honestly, bless him . >> i mean, honestly, bless him. >> i mean, honestly, bless him. >> and now it's time for a supplement sunday where my panel and i discuss some of the news stories that caught our eyes. now, start off with now, let's start off with danny's supplement, which is about ships , i think. about cruise ships, i think. >> well, this is great. talk about the of living. this about the cost of living. this guy spends 300 or 365 days a year on a royal caribbean cruise liner, sailed around exotic parts of the world. it costs him £30,000. the reason he's doing it is because it's cheaper with the cost of living crisis. all he needs in order to do is work. he's an it sort of boffin, so he just needs a broadband signal and a laptop and he's worked out that he gets fed, he gets watered. he gets to see rather repetitively the same sort of locations around world. and locations around the world. and it's to more or less it's cheaper to more or less live on a cruise liner. the royal caribbean. >> does compare the >> how does it compare then the cruise to 30,000? >> how does it compare then the cruiokay to 30,000? >> how does it compare then the cruiokay . to 30,000? >> how does it compare then the cruiokay . so to 30,000? >> how does it compare then the cruiokay . so this) 30,000? >> how does it compare then the cruiokay . so this this 000? >> how does it compare then the cruiokay . so this this guy's rent >> okay. so this this guy's rent has gone up. the utilities has

gone up. everything's gone up. and he's saved money. yeah, of course. because your food is all in on the deal. 30 grand, 30 grand if you if you don't have commitments at home, which he's a single letter. >> but also he >> he's a single, but also he can work anyway. he can. he works on the aether on the internet. can do that from internet. so he can do that from anywhere. to pick up anywhere. he is able to pick up the suddenly see. the bargains. suddenly you see. right. tomorrow, right. if you can go tomorrow, you quarter price you can have a quarter price cruise. so, yeah, that's right. i'm doing that. yeah, right. >> googling >> hold on just googling cruises. christine, >> hold on just googling cruisesyour christine, >> hold on just googling cruisesyour sunday?:ine, what's your sunday? >> mine is this >> well, mine is this extraordinary story. the extraordinary story. i mean, the great british pub , we this great british pub, we have this wonderful british arrangement whereby everybody is sort of jostles at the bar and you kind of when your turn. and of know when it's your turn. and the barman pretty the barman is sort of pretty fair about it. and you all sort of standing at the bar and you're keeping an eye and you're trying to make sure nobody gets in. people started in. now, people are started queuing line pub bar, queuing in a line at pub bar, which is because, as somebody queuing in a line at pub bar, whic on; because, as somebody queuing in a line at pub bar, whic on twitter, e, as somebody queuing in a line at pub bar, whic on twitter, we s somebody queuing in a line at pub bar, whic on twitter, we queueebody queuing in a line at pub bar, whic on twitter, we queue foriy said on twitter, we queue for the bus or for the checkout, but not for bars . and it is absurd. not for bars. and it is absurd. it just doesn't work . and if it just doesn't work. and if somebody sitting on the bar stool are having

stool like you and we are having a drink , not having a drink, but a drink, not having a drink, but yes, i remember once i was in a pub. it was during a tory party conference in blackpool, a donkey's years ago. there's conference in blackpool, a d> what they >> yeah, well, what they shouldn't stools at bar shouldn't have stools at the bar really, i really, should they? should i

buy and you buy you a drink? and then you move away. >> at a bar stool. >> nice. sitting at a bar stool. you're a nuisance on the bar. it is, but then you're getting in >> but then you're getting in the way of people like danny who might bit angry might get a little bit angry with been frustrated. >> and, yes, i wouldn't want to incur wrath incur danny's wrath ever. >> definitely but we're >> no, definitely not. but we're doing football now. and >> no, definitely not. but we're doirold football now. and >> no, definitely not. but we're doirold ground,)all now. and >> no, definitely not. but we're doirold ground, it.l now. and >> no, definitely not. but we're doirold ground, it wasn. and >> no, definitely not. but we're doirold ground, it was a and >> no, definitely not. but we're doirold ground, it was a scrum the old ground, it was a scrum to to get your drinks. to the bar to get your drinks. and now queuing. and now we're queuing. >> just worked. >> we just kind of worked. everybody how you get everybody knows how you get a dnnk everybody knows how you get a drink bar, they? you drink in a bar, don't they? you sort this rough . sort of have this rough. >> it's all it's all gone wrong. it's wrong. thank very it's wrong. but thank you very much and danny kelly, much for that. and danny kelly, thank john. you for thank you, john. thank you for joining right. oh, on joining us. right. oh, on today's show, we've been asking, is going is gender politics going too far? poll, far? according to twitter poll, 95% yes. 5% say no. 95% of you say yes. 5% say no. thank so much for my lovely thank you so much for my lovely panels and i'd panels today. and i'd broadcaster danny kelly and christine author christine hamilton . thank you for watching hamilton. thank you for watching it's been a lovely show. really enjoyed your company have a lovely sunday evening and here's the weather for you . the weather for you. >> the temperatures rising , a >> the temperatures rising, a boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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an preventable tragedy . the home an preventable tragedy. the home secretary, suella braverman , secretary, suella braverman, described the incident as a tragic loss of life. it is a further setback for the

government's stop the boats pledge, which is one of prime minister rishi sunaks five key priorities . people in scotland priorities. people in scotland and wales could soon be able to access nhs treatment they need in england. health secretary steve barclay wants to discuss the plan with the welsh and scottish health ministers to help tackle the backlog in wales. more than 73,000 people have been waiting for more than a year and a half for treatment . at least 21,500 people in scotland have been waiting for about the same amount of time for an appointment. about the same amount of time for an appointment . relatives of for an appointment. relatives of those who died in the omagh bombing 25 years ago have gathered for a service to mark the anniversary. 29 people, including a pregnant woman with twins, died in the car bomb attack by the real ira. it was the greatest single loss of life in the history of the troubles. no one has been criminally convicted of carrying out the attack. an independent inquiry will be held to look at whether it could have been prevented . 93

it could have been prevented. 93 people have now been confirmed