the solution to the woes found the solution to the woes of nhs waiting lists? well, he's axed 1 in 6 civil servants working for the department of health and social care to help redirect funds towards the front line of our services . i hate to line of our services. i hate to say i told you so, minister. writers are drawing up plans to tackle shop lifting. repeat offenders will be handed . offenders will be handed. mandatory prison sentences could this be a crucial step in fixing broken britain? while state of the nation's very own alleged criminal barrister may be able to answer that one plus two of britain's foremost prominent former colonies as australia and the united states are enhancing their military their strategic and military relations amidst increasing tension from the looming threat of the chinese communist sports. state of the nation starts now . state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by an astute panel this evening. criminal barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes , and the author and

jerry hayes, and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. as always , i want to hear from as always, i want to hear from you. it's the most important part of the programme. email me. male mog at gbnews.com and now it's male mog at gbnews.com and now wsfime male mog at gbnews.com and now it's time for the news of the day with middlehurst . day with polly middlehurst. >> jacob thank you. good evening to you. well, the top story tonight is that a home office source has within the last hour told gb news the bibby stockholm accommodation barge will not be taking new arrivals tomorrow and it could be next week . now, it could be next week. now, before any migrants move on board an initial group of asylum seekers was expected to be sent to the accommodation which is moored off portland in dorset today , say the source also said today, say the source also said . however, the delay this time is because of health and safety practises, which need to be signed off for port workers , signed off for port workers, adding there are no fire safety issues.in adding there are no fire safety issues. in an exclusive interview today, the prime minister told gb news housing illegal migrants in hotels and flats is completely wrong and said all alternatives like the

bibby stockholm are being sought as interim measures. >> what's going on currently is completely wrong. we've got a situation which is unfair. british taxpayers are forking out £6 million a day to house illegal migrants in hotels and other accommodation . that's other accommodation. that's clearly wrong. it's clearly unfair and that's why i want to put an end to it. >> well, the bibby stockholm can accommodate up to 500 people, but new figures show that more than 3000 people crossed the engush than 3000 people crossed the english channel in 63. small boats last month alone , with an boats last month alone, with an average of 52 migrants per boat. that's the highest number on record. more than 14,000 people have made the dangerous crossing across the english channel so far this year. now, the prime minister has introduced what he's calling the biggest shake up of alcohol taxes in a century. the move focuses on taxing drinks on their alcoholic strength with duty on wine and

vodka , for example, to rise vodka, for example, to rise touring a beer festival in west london today , rishi sunak london today, rishi sunak claimed the overhaul made things simpler, fairer and would benefit thousands of businesses . but the british beer and pub association says it wants it will cost the industry an extra £225 million in tax as the mp margaret ferrier has been stripped of her seat after a recall petition which triggered a by—election she was charged by police and suspended from the commons for breaking covid rules by travelling from to london scotland after testing positive for covid in september 2020. well nearly 12,000 constituents in rutherglen and hamilton west side on the petition. it's going to be the first post re—election sorry, by the first recall, by—election rather, in scotland . and now house prices have fallen at their fastest annual rate for 14 years. the nationwide says the average

price dropped by 3.8% over the last 12 months. the average uk home now costs around . £260,000 home now costs around. £260,000 as a drone delivery service has been launched on the orkney islands, helping locals receive their mail more efficiently . a their mail more efficiently. a collaboration between royal mail and drone company sky ports means the scheme will transport letters and parcels between the islands and hopefully with significantly improved delivery times. the service will initially operate on a trial bafis initially operate on a trial basis for three months. if it's successful , it could be successful, it could be established as a permanent service . this is gb news across service. this is gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news back now though, to

.jacob >> critical race theory is the idea that racism is entrenched in our society, that society at its very core is racist. it views everything through the lens of race. that history should be read through the perspective of racial hierarchies that children need re—educating to free them from their unconscious bias , that all their unconscious bias, that all inequalities in society are caused by racism and that western societies are fundamentally he white supremacist . that fundamentally he white supremacist. that is fundamentally he white supremacist . that is why supremacist. that is why thousands of british schools are teaching critical race theory to our children. in some cases as young as five years old. earlier this month, we covered the report, published by don't divide us, which revealed an extensive investigation into the third party organisations who are indoctrinating our children for costly fees. often paid for by local councils that is, you, the taxpayer . it revealed that the taxpayer. it revealed that a school in north london called coldfall primary school had been providing lessons from another third party organiser , asian.

third party organiser, asian. but these lessons were in fact racist as they were only for black students . as part of its black students. as part of its plans to become an actively anti—racist school, it also been instructing the children to repeat the following pledge intent does not supersede impact. i will listen to children's concerns and experiences. i will allow all voices to be heard . i will refer voices to be heard. i will refer any racist incidents or suspected racist incidents . i suspected racist incidents. i will be actively anti—racist and this is maoist style indoctrination, which speaks for itself . but today the times itself. but today the times revealed in its investigation , revealed in its investigation, explaining how yet another third party organisation, asian, is responsible for sinister lessons that are taking place in this case, the organisation is called the key, a national information service with £30 million of funding and more than 13,000 schools as clients . now these schools as clients. now these schools as clients. now these schools receive their funding from taxpayers, so it's funded essentially by you. in other words , primarily from us. words, primarily from us. documents revealed the

organisation, which claims to have its lessons put together by the relevant experts, argues that children are never too young to be educated about race. indeed even referred to an american infographic which states that white five year olds are strongly biased in favour of whiteness . this the documents whiteness. this the documents also suggest the importance of teaching primary school students about the murder of george floyd in america. these are students in america. these are students in the uk, but these theories are highly contentious. political ideologies, not only should they not be taught as fact, but they've actually been widely and successfully disproved. britain is a success story for its minority groups in terms of economic outcomes , as terms of economic outcomes, as british indians and british, chinese are the most prosperous groups in the united kingdom, outperform , saying the white outperform, saying the white population more minority groups proportionally go on to higher education than the white population. the sewell report, commissioned by boris johnson in light of the black lives matter protests, found that systemic

racism is not a major factor in determining outcomes for minorities , as this is even minorities, as this is even clearer in an international perspective, groups that suffer discrimination far more than they'd ever suffer in britain often hugely outperform the populations at large in which they reside. for example, the malaysian chinese. but critical race theory, especially when taught to young children who are none the wiser, preaches a message of victimhood and hopelessness that no matter how hard you work, you won't make a success of yourself because society is rigged against you. this is a pernicious narrative because britain is a success story, people succeed on their own efforts through meritocracy , i.e. it's a success story for its minorities. and the proof is in the pudding. but of course, i want to know your thoughts. don't forget to let me know what you think. mail mog gb news dot com. i'm joined now by gb news investigates. reporter charlie peters, who has been in touch with one of the diversity

consultants at the north london school embroiled in scandals as well as one of the parents. charlie, what have you found in your investigations ? your investigations? >> some very concerned parents, apparently, indeed today sent me some science homework from the school in north london where pupils were tasked with finding examples of scientists that supposedly challenged the myth that scientists are old men with crazy hair. it goes to on list a group of sciences that they think would be acceptable for pupils to refer to in terms of scientists to praise. of these ten scientists. they're all either ethnic minorities or women , and they give a list of women, and they give a list of three scientists who they say students should not refer to because they're too famous and too well known. that is albert einstein, pasteur and einstein, louis pasteur and stephen hawking. three white men. now, this parent said to me, this is a form of divisive education, which was essentially telling pupils to look for scientists outside of europe,

outside of america, and telling them that science is no place for white men and they should try and recover a more diverse attitude viewed towards the sciences . now, when i spoke to sciences. now, when i spoke to don't divide us, the campaign you referenced in your monologue, they said that this was reducing science to identif t, which is a travesty in general, but particularly bad. they when you're dealing they said when you're dealing with primary school pupils who are just discovering the wonders of science and should be learning potential and learning about its potential and instead being forced, what instead are being forced, what don't us described as don't divide us described as a sociological movement about power and they're excluding some of the most famous scientists of history from this group. >> but there are other problems, as well, aren't there? else as well, aren't there? what else have found in your inquiries? >> well, when referring to that that pledge that you discussed , that pledge that you discussed, this conducted with this was conducted with a consultancy, a third group that came into the school who were paid , we believe, quite high paid, we believe, quite high sums to give their training to the school pupils in year five and year six were given anti

racism workshops and taught all these things . and i think these things. and i think critics and pupils this is the key is that the organisation that qi key is that the organisation that oi oi is a much bigger , a that oi oi is a much bigger, a bigger organisation. >> this is a specific, smaller, specific group called arise and critics in the school and concerned parents have said that they believe there's a direct link between this anti racism training and the arrival of a new way of thinking in the curriculum, which is trying to get rid of white men and sees whiteness as a problem and not focusing on pure academia. but isn't it also dispiriting for people from minority groups because it's telling them that whatever they do, they can't succeed in the society in which they're in, which is palpable, untrue. >> i think . i imagine for many >> i think. i imagine for many of the pupils it must be quite dispiriting and disturbing at a young age to be told, oh, black scientists aren't taken seriously , or, you know, if seriously, or, you know, if you're a white man, you'll get ahead, but others won't. a lot of the parents i spoke to on this story said that this is

pushing a divisive idea within education and failing to co—opt what should be the most important part of this, which is teaching pupils about the beauty of science . now, when i reached of science. now, when i reached out to coldfall primary school in they they did in muswell hill, they they did not respond to our request for comment at time of publishing a story. but we look forward to heanng story. but we look forward to hearing from to hearing hearing from them, to hearing from explain what from the try and explain what they're do. they're trying to do. >> 13,000 schools that >> but it's 13,000 schools that seem be subscribing this. >> but it's 13,000 schools that seethis be subscribing this. >> but it's 13,000 schools that seethis isie subscribing this. >> but it's 13,000 schools that seethis is pretty;cribing this. >> but it's 13,000 schools that seethis is pretty commonplace. so this is pretty commonplace indeed. my own daughter was asked to do a similar project on scientists and to try and find scientists and to try and find scientists who , for example, scientists who, for example, non—binary . she actually chose non—binary. she actually chose stephen hawking's because he was so severely disabled that that was unusual and different. but it's excluding people who we ought to be studying and ought to know about as part of an understanding of science . understanding of science. >> don't us said very >> don't divide us said very clearly that they thought this was a divisive message because it focussed on identity more than knowledge, which again is a pernicious idea in general. but

especially bad when you are deaung especially bad when you are dealing with the youngest minds at the earliest stage of their education to be teaching these kind of views. and you said kind of views. and as you said 13,000 schools and educational trusts receiving more work from the qi, which is just one group as referenced in the recent ontiveros report, we imagine there are dozens of others reporting on similar concerning issues and it's the issue of indoctrination as well that is a concern, isn't it, because you're with such young concern, isn't it, because you're that with such young concern, isn't it, because you're that you'reh such young concern, isn't it, because you're that you're trying young concern, isn't it, because you're that you're trying to ung minds that you're trying to mould them to have a specific view of society. >> it becomes very political . >> it becomes very political. and are not places where and schools are not places where politics should be thrust down the children. the throats of children. >> very political, but >> it's very political, but defenders of this move would say that uncontested that these are uncontested views, these not views, that these are not political this is political ideas, that this is just right wrong. and just right versus wrong. and that these are laws of nature rather than areas of open debate. they don't believe , i debate. they don't believe, i believe from what i've seen, that this kind of stuff should be up for discussion. it is what it is. >> it is what it is. and they have an ideological view that they are trying to spread across

they are trying to spread across the large. well thank the country at large. well thank you very much, charlie. i'm now joined my or friend of joined by my friend or friend of the program, the filmmaker and activist femi femi activist femi nalanda. femi thank you so much for joining activist femi nalanda. femi thank you so much forjoining us again . so now my daughter , my again. so now my daughter, my daughter mary was told at her school that thinking of black people with crime , she was people with crime, she was thinking of peanut butter and jello is that a thing any child in the united kingdom should be told? >> um , in comparison, >> um, in comparison, i understand . understand. >> what? what? that's statement is supposed to say. but what i will say is that, um , the idea will say is that, um, the idea that young children are not in any way indoctrinated or taught things that are political, um, in other senses in this country is, is just not true. i mean, five year olds, six year olds, seven year olds are told to celebrate the jubilee . when that celebrate the jubilee. when that comes along, things, things like that. that's a political act . that. that's a political act. and celebrating the monarchy. the monarchy is a contentious

institution in this country. um we're told from very, very young age. things like churchill was a great person. we're given a very, very , very specific view very, very, very specific view of history . we're taught of history. we're taught history, we're taught geography , we're taught all of these subjects from a very young age, education in and of itself is the we shape the world views the way we shape the world views of the next generation of people . and part of the reason the uk has such a problem coming to terms with its history and coming to terms with its present and some of the issues it has with racism in its present is because our education system, because of our education system, not even to go into the fact that the education system was found to be one of the in terms of kind of ethnic minority and white students . i think the white students. i think the organisation for economic cooperation and development, a few years ago found that the uk has one of the most segregated school systems in the world. ethnic students to ethnic minority students go to their schools, white students go to their schools they don't to their schools and they don't mix so of racism mix enough. so of course racism is exists in the

is something which exists in the country course it's country and of course it's something which we should we should about young age. >> but isn't learning that >> but this isn't learning that racism exists as something and that there some racist that there are some racist people. it's assuming that the whole of society is structured on basis , and that is on a racist basis, and that is self—evidently in this country, not true . not true. >> i mean, that is that is true in this country that that there's racism embedded into the structure of this country, which is something which isn't surprising . i mean, we have surprising. i mean, we have a prime minister as home secretary a foreign secretary who are all from ethnic minority backgrounds. >> how do we manage that if we're such a racist? if you want my honest opinion, if i mean if you want my honest opinion on why, let's talk about the home secretary, for example, and why suella braverman priti patel . suella braverman priti patel. >> all these people have been co—opted into the role of home secretaries because if you had a white secretary saying, white home secretary saying, let's ship refugees off let's ship all the refugees off to rwanda , it would be a much to rwanda, it would be a much more contentious statement. i mean, party has mean, the conservative party has done job at

done a wonderful job at co—opting a few few minorities done a wonderful job at co getting a few few minorities done a wonderful job at co get away few few minorities done a wonderful job at co get away with few minorities done a wonderful job at co get away with sayingnorities done a wonderful job at co get away with saying things to get away with saying things that they haven't been able to say in the past and get away say in the past and to get away with of their most with pushing some of their most anti—migrant anti, um, anti—human rights policies. so that's not true . abandoning that's not true. abandoning their obligation and party. >> i mean, even ken clarke, who you can't claim is from an ethnic minority , has made it ethnic minority, has made it clear that he supports the policy of sending people to rwanda . and this has did in the rwanda. and this has did in the country at large. and i think to view suella braverman as a veneeris view suella braverman as a veneer is desperately disrespectful to her. >> i think she's a desperately disrespectful person in her own right. so i'm not she's only there. i agree with her politically. >> but that's different. it's fair enough not to agree with her politically . but does the her politically. but does the thing that she's a patsy seems to me to be entirely unreasonable and something of which you have no evidence? >> think so. i don't >> i don't think so. i don't think well, i mean , saying think well, i mean, saying things without evidence is something which. which you're

very well acquainted with and which gb news is very well acquainted at the end of acquainted with. at the end of the day. but nonetheless, when we facts you asked we look at the facts you asked me opinion and my opinion me for my opinion and my opinion is that there are so is the reason that there are so many minorities many ethnic minorities high up in a party, a political party, which in of itself is very which in and of itself is very anti minority, very anti—migrant . and is it seems self—evident. but nonetheless , let's move away but nonetheless, let's move away from that, because this is we're discussing wishing to have it. let's move away from that. >> if there's any evidence that britain isn't racist, you say that's mere tokenism. and if there's evidence there is there's any evidence there is racism, say, well , that's racism, you say, well, that's endemic across the whole of society. there's plenty of evidence that britain there's plenty of evidence that in many ways britain is progressive. >> and there's many parts of britain that have that have aggressive tendencies . there's aggressive tendencies. there's many parts. there's many people in britain who are very welcoming to people from other cultures. but that's not to say that when you look at the

structures of economics in this country, who is poor, who is rich, when you look at the structures of who attends elite universities, your universities, you mentioned your daughter pretty sure daughter before. i'm pretty sure that all six of your kids, jacob, probably go to very luxurious public schools. do you know how many black people go like that? >> but the indians, the chinese in this very, very few, not only rich, but they're to going the top universities in considerable numbers it's the success of it. >> of course, there's i'm not denying there's no there's no hope to have you back on again. >> perhaps in the studio next time. thank you very much. time. but thank you very much. and don't forget me know and don't forget to let me know what think. what you think. mailmogg@gbnews.uk up, mailmogg@gbnews.uk coming up, are health secretary, are the great health secretary, is doing government is he doing more for government efficiency else? and efficiency than anyone else? and plus, why won't become plus, why britain won't become san francisco after

all welcome back. i'm still jacob rees—mogg and this is state of the nation. you've been getting in touch with your thoughts.

leon says as a dual heritage person myself , i'm saddened by person myself, i'm saddened by the protected characteristics. top trumps that has entered our nation. no doubt this has something to do with esg and an attempt to lessen the consequences for the elite when the population form ranks. and angela says, i, home educated my daughter at age eight years of age, as i could not cope with what she was being taught, that was years ago. every blessing was 30 years ago. every blessing .thank was 30 years ago. every blessing . thank angela. when i was . thank you, angela. when i was the minister for government efficiency , i was very strongly efficiency, i was very strongly egged on by the then chancellor of the duchy of lancaster, steve barclay . as we were developing a barclay. as we were developing a plan reduce the civil service plan to reduce the civil service numbers by 90,000 where numbers by 90,000 back to where it was in 20 1516. numbers by 90,000 back to where it was in 201516. in an numbers by 90,000 back to where it was in 20 1516. in an attempt it was in 201516. in an attempt to rationalise the workforce working towards a smaller, more efficient but potentially better paid civil service unfortunately, when the current prime minister took office, he ignored these plans. but new figures from the department of health and social care have revealed as a result of a written question that i asked in parliament department

parliament that the department has axed 1 in 6 civil service jobs within 7 or 8 months in a bid to direct funds towards the frontline of the nhs to help tackle waiting lists . as we've tackle waiting lists. as we've explained on this programme in the past , that britain once the past, that britain once ruled the world with a vastly smaller service and now smaller civil service and now it's become bloated and bureaucratic . indeed, the latest bureaucratic. indeed, the latest figures show 40% of the work force still working from home, cutting back on whitehall waste is a crucial part of getting costs under control, paving the way for cutting taxes and unleashing britain's growth path. i'm now joined by my panel path. i'm now joined by my panel, the barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes , and the tory mp jerry hayes, and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. amy, this is great news, isn't it, steve? barclays done a fabulous job to get rid of the sixth civil servants. a man is available for doctors and nurses . doctors and nurses. >> it worries me how this >> it just worries me how this conversation is framed and some of the language around it. so war waste, think it leans war on waste, i think it leans into the idea that civil servants is a bloated civil

servants is a bloated civil servants and that tends to demonise civil servants. i've got some some ways that you've referred to them in the past. blizzard of veritable snowflakes , complete wet wipes . blizzard of veritable snowflakes , complete wet wipes. i blizzard of veritable snowflakes , complete wet wipes . i don't , complete wet wipes. i don't know whether that's the best way to encourage ridge. we have had good blizzards of good relationship because the relationship because the relationship between ministers and the public sector is so crucial, isn't it? and they are so valuable, so they deserve a bit more respect and a bit more of the civil servants. >> as i've said many times i worked with were absolutely brilliant. the private offices that i worked with were really hard working, but the numbers have risen and risen. 20 1516, there were 90,000 fewer than there were 90,000 fewer than there are now, and we need to get back to sensible numbers. and steve barclay is showing that that is possible. but he's that that is possible. but he's that saves taxpayers money. but that's in a way where morale is getting lower and lower and lower. >> so only 27% of civil servants feel they're paid adequately and most of them say so. there's a

quote from the from from one of the union reps saying that civil servants says hardly any that aren't looking for another job right now because they feel so undervalued. so that's not going to and say , well, what very good to and say, well, what very good news indeed. >> but i had to write this down, jake.i >> but i had to write this down, jake. i just couldn't believe that you were the minister for government officials . i was. government officials. i was. i was jim hacker, if ever there's an oxymoron, it is that i was very believable . very believable. >> but the minister for administrative affairs . administrative affairs. >> yes, yes . administrative affairs. >> yes, yes. right. administrative affairs. >> yes, yes . right. look, every >> yes, yes. right. look, every government does this just before a general election, and so does the opposition . there's waste in the opposition. there's waste in the opposition. there's waste in the national health service. of course there is. all we need to do fund growth and get the do to fund growth and get the economy going is to cut the waste . and they never do. waste. and they never do. >> that's not that's not true. francis maude, did it. and michael heseltine did it. yes. when i became minister of government efficiency, to the surprise of some people i took into the office, michael heseltine's memoirs because that

explained how to cut the civil service and maintain efficiency in a sensible way. >> in many ways. in a sensible way. >> in many ways . amy, i can see >> in many ways. amy, i can see your point because there are decent civil servants and most of them particular to higher level work really, really, really hard and they don't want to be demoralised . but listening to be demoralised. but listening to be demoralised. but listening to sedwill today, mark said, well, he used to be the chief cabinet secretary. he's just saying this system is broken. that's what we should be. we should be looking at the system is broken. ministers is get into power. all right. most of the time, if you're a secretary of state, you're reading yourself in. and by the time you're finally sacked, you find he understood the job. but the fact is, you can't use the levers of power because the system is broken. >> that, i think, is a fundamental point that the leavers don't seem to be connected to, and it's the civil service is meant to be the connection. >> i think the civil service is basically the of basically the skeleton of government and whilst the ministers come and go in, the fact that they are there, the foundation, the most important part government, they part of government, they understand the politicians to

put flesh the bones. put the flesh on the bones. >> about put other >> but we're about put other flesh on different because flesh on different bones because speaking of government efficiency, all things efficiency, like all things covid related covid inquiry spent oodles of your money after just 23 days of hearing evidence thus far, the ill defined inquiry has spent nearly £40 million, half of which has been spent. >> gerry will like this on lawyers conducting the inquiry as investigations. but the question is, was this inquiry doomed from the start when its terms of reference are so broad that they cover practically everything that happened in the uk that was remotely uk that was even remotely related to covid? well, as i mentioned, lawyers , i'll give mentioned, lawyers, i'll give you the first word. i'm well, i'm a criminal lawyer. >> i mean, ridiculous. >> i mean, it's ridiculous. there just there are three days. oh, just look saville inquiry, look at the saville inquiry, look at the saville inquiry, look at the saville inquiry, look at every inquiry. the people money masses , people who make money masses, millions . some of millions of pounds. some of these lawyers will have for what, at the end of the day , what, at the end of the day, right? we weren't prepared. we weren't because we're weren't prepared because we're expecting epidemic. things expecting a flu epidemic. things get . and also, we get went wrong. and also, we weren't prepared for ppe. that's

that's the end of it. >> that's isn't gerry right that that's basically the inquiry. that's it. we thought it was going be a flu epidemic. we going to be a flu epidemic. we bought ppe that was expensive and a vaccine did and we got a vaccine and we did it quickly and that lockdowns probably mistake. done probably a mistake. inquiry done and really i have >> and i mean i really i have £40 million. >> was i, i wish it was that simple. and think the simple. and i think that the 200,000 victims and 200,000 plus victims and bereaved families would bereaved families probably would want very thorough inquiry want a very thorough inquiry because of the whole reasons because one of the whole reasons covid was so devastating was because lack of because of a lack of preparedness. so surely in order to completely undo, that's not true because we know it's not true because we know it's not true because we know it's not true because inquiry is not true because the inquiry is not finished yet. >> death rates in countries across were pretty across the world were pretty similar regardless of similar almost regardless of what whether they did what they did, whether they did nothing each what they did, whether they did nothingeach country is doing >> but each country is doing their own inquiry. >> a new disease came and people died. >> 200,000 people lost their lives and we can't say that. so the inquiry set to cost 200 the inquiry is set to cost 200 million, on par with million, which is on par with the saville inquiry. no government knew how to deal with it was a new. >> they were. yes, they were relying on talk about sage . but

relying on talk about sage. but if you've got about 150 different people who couldn't make decision because they make a decision because they were about 150 different decisions, that's precise . decisions, that's precise. >> nicely. why we need an inquiry. >> no, you don't need an inquiry for . that's the way for that. that's just the way government . you had the government works. you had the chief scientific officer who had to say, look, this is on balance, minister, what we think you've got to make a political decision and it's darned difficult, if not impossible. i don't blame the government for that. i really don't any government throughout the world. >> i really it seems very unlikely that whatever the inquiry comes up with, it'll be any different future . any different in future. however, unfortunately, we've got on because we have got to move on because we have messages our sponsors , messages from our sponsors, which likes to which i know everyone likes to listen thank you to my listen to. but thank you to my brilliant panel. coming up, could a way could ministers have found a way to britain? and to fix broken britain? and should duck ? should peking duck? >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as. high

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activities for example, activities, for example, or camping. another thing that camping. and another thing that could be impactful, heavy could be impactful, very heavy showers and thunderstorms through central parts that all clears through. and by thursday , it's a much brighter start to the day. some sunshine out there. quite quickly, though, there. quite quickly, though, the cloud fills further the cloud fills in and further showers develop by the afternoon, and miss afternoon, hits and miss downpours. and the wind from the north will make it feel on the cold side. similar conditions on friday before another low arrives on . saturday arrives on. saturday >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> welcome back . i remain jacob >> welcome back. i remain jacob rees—mogg and you've been getting in touch with your views. alan says all this money here's the outcome for nothing lessons must be learned. and also hello to cheryl in newport, who's been sending private

messages to jerry . anyway, it's messages to jerry. anyway, it's the question that needs asking jacob more and more these days is britain broken? well, ministers seem to think so as it has emerged, plans are being drawn up to help the justice system crack down on repeat offenders, specifically on crimes such as shoplifting. but burglary and violence. the individuals in question will soon receive mandatory prison sentences while repeat offences don't necessarily necessitate necessitating prison sentences, the new legislation seeks to resolve this through the crime and justice bill. and this comes as figures reveal the police recorded nearly 400,000 cases of shoplifting and yet only 48,000. about 14% resulted in charges , about 14% resulted in charges, asindeed about 14% resulted in charges, as indeed the british retail consortium predicts the actual number is closer to 8 million, costing roughly 1 billion to british businesses. but that gets passed on to us as consumers . another component of consumers. another component of ministers plans is to extend the use of facial recognition technology as it currently stands, only the metropolitan south wales police use it, but ministers think this could

streamline the justice process , streamline the justice process, especially as a wanted sex offender was found a camera offender was found by a camera at the coronation earlier this yeah he at the coronation earlier this year. he wasn't actually at the coronation. was in the crowd. coronation. he was in the crowd. just to reassure you . anyway, my just to reassure you. anyway, my panel still with me and the panel is still with me and the san francisco reference was in san francisco reference was in san francisco. you can shoplift up to $900 or you don't shoplift. and then you're a thief. oh, very good. >> you're a thief. okay you're not a shoplifter. and you're not a joyrider. you're a thief of a car. okay so you're in favour of these tougher sentences? of course i'm not, because it's absolutely ridiculous . this is absolutely ridiculous. this is some spotty child of 25 at number 10 downing street. you say , oh, secretary of state, say, oh, secretary of state, what brilliant idea we've had. what a brilliant idea we've had. look you've got mandatory sentences for three burglars, three strikes. they don't actually happen. >> do they? yes, they do. >> do they? yes, they do. >> of course they do. what you got do get policeman got to do is get the policeman on last week who said they never seem happen. well, seem to happen. well, he's talking absolute nonsense. of course they happen. he was a policeman. the policeman policeman. well, the policeman should have you should have asked i'm sure

asked the policeman. i'm sure you why you you did. well, why didn't you turn biggest is turn up? the biggest problem is for burglaries. the police do not turn up. they don't. >> why don't the police turn up? because since 2010, there's been >> why don't the police turn up? b�*33%se since 2010, there's been >> why don't the police turn up? bi33% reduction 010, there's been >> why don't the police turn up? bi33% reduction in), there's been >> why don't the police turn up? bi33% reduction in the ere's been >> why don't the police turn up? bi33% reduction in the numberen a 33% reduction in the number of police so there's as many police. so there's not as many police. so there's not as many police to attend to. >> it's going up again. >> it's going back up again. that's that's fair. >> it's gone back up. yes. however however, they're not trained same they trained in the same way they were. they're not were. so they're not a specialist. so you couldn't have somebody to certain somebody going to certain situations or doing fast pursuit driving, example , because driving, for example, because they're in yet. driving, for example, because they police in yet. driving, for example, because they police force in yet. driving, for example, because they police force isn't yet. driving, for example, because they police force isn't catching the police force isn't catching shoplifters particularly trained. >> you just go back to shoplifting. let's go back to shoplifting. >> the reason it's not practical is because there's currently a court of 60,000 cases. court backlog of 60,000 cases. the police, as we've mentioned, are completely overstretched and the prisons are stuffed out. so they're already 10,000 over capacity . capacity. >> so you need to get rid of 10,000 before you can even put another one in. we're on the same page on this. >> you're nearly right. crown court. deal with court. and we don't deal with shoplifters. but we will thieves if there's a thief. yes, i know.

you know what? >> you should actually call them. don't do that. >> probably call them people. >> people. poverty people. » people. >> people. people in poverty or those addicted because those addicted to drugs because that's people that's the overwhelming people who commit petty who commit these petty shoplifting . shoplifting crimes. >> so don't actually consider >> so i don't actually consider them criminals even really , them criminals even really, they're not criminals because most are fuelling. and so most people are fuelling. and so you'd this be san you'd like this to be san francisco, which completely francisco, which is completely gone to pot. >> yeah, probably i am a >> yeah, i think probably i am a bit am bit. bit i am a bit. >> someone burgles your >> if someone burgles your house, talking about house, we're not talking about that, jerry. >> talking about shoplifting. okay? if someone steals from >> okay? if someone steals from your local snow, your local tesco local snow, your local tesco local snow, your local tesco local snow, your local store run by a family . but they do. >> we do this. let's go . >> we do this. let's go. >> we do this. let's go. >> they are not criminals. >> they are not criminals. >> is that what you're saying? >> is that what you're saying? >> stealing baby from >> stealing baby powder from tesco's is still stealing . tesco's is still stealing. deserve to be in prison. >> i don't think they deserve to be in prison. they won't be sent to prison. >> hold on. >> hold on. >> an episode shoplifting >> an episode of shoplifting which deserve place in a which would deserve a place in a book powder. which would deserve a place in a boo but powder. which would deserve a place in a boobut baby powder. which would deserve a place in a boo but baby powderr. which would deserve a place in a boo but baby powder i in the >> but baby powder i read in the paper last few days is paper in the last few days is being drugs to being mixed in with drugs to bulk so it depends why bulk it up so it depends why people are stealing baby powder if they're stealing because

if they're stealing it because they're trade, they're part of the drugs trade, of go to prison. >> i think that's quite an outrageous suggestion when it was this week, was in the paper in this week, plenty about people using plenty of about people using baby driver baby powder by driver of shoplifting it's poverty. baby powder by driver of shoit'sting it's poverty. baby powder by driver of shoit's struggling overty. baby powder by driver of shoit's struggling .verty. baby powder by driver of shoit's struggling . it's]. baby powder by driver of shoit's struggling . it's not >> it's struggling. it's not functioning welfare system in this country . this country. >> that means nobody has to steal to get basic welfare system is shrinking, shrinking, shrinking . shrinking. >> and unfortunately, people have drawn into poverty. have been drawn into poverty. for example, benefits are uprated in line with inflation in march. uprated in line with inflation in iabsolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> been caps. the >> there's been caps. the two child policy has put 250,000 additional children into poverty. >> so you i know where you live, but i won't mention on air. >> how do you know where i live? >> how do you know where i live? >> because i spoke to your husband. oh, and told husband. oh, yeah. and he told me you lived me you imagine you lived together. i mean, all right. together. but i mean, all right. you nice part of the you live in a nice part of the country, i bet you've got country, and i bet you've got a corner shop run by a lovely family whose margins are pretty difficult. you saying that difficult. are you saying that someone who comes in and steals something from them is not a criminal? >> what i'm saying is it should come to that . we should have

come to that. we should have prevention so that no one is driven. >> does shoplifting well, if it was a repeat offender and there was a repeat offender and there was violence involved, of course, fast track, that's a different matter. that's robbery. >> but if it is a petty shop robbery, if there's still such a waste of government money, even if tesco's if they steal that tesco's pnces if they steal that tesco's prices else, prices for everybody else, including people who aren't well off, in tesco's , go up off, who shop in tesco's, go up to for it. off, who shop in tesco's, go up to there's for it. off, who shop in tesco's, go up to there's no for it. off, who shop in tesco's, go up to there's no free it. off, who shop in tesco's, go up to there's no free theft, but >> there's no free theft, but the thing is the way the cost of living crisis has disproportionately affected people in poverty. >> so say if the price of pasta has gone up by 120, which so you can steal it, you can steal it, then affect people on then that will affect people on lower a lot more than so lower incomes a lot more than so you can go and it then. you can go and steal it then. unfortunately, unfortunately , unfortunately, unfortunately, the at the the way the world is at the moment, people are in moment, more people are in poverty and more people are forced poverty and more people are forclet's get on to face >> let's get on to face recognition. is this a reasonable technique for the state to use or is it going that bit too far? >> it's a tricky one, particularly as most facial recognition is run by the chinese . chinese. >> so i'm quite worried about it. i mean, i, i think there's

too much cctv coverage in the uk i >>i -- >> i don't emma emu >> i don't think i don't think it's enough in many ways we need to be able to move about freely when we are innocent and that the state can follow people to closely. yes, it's the chinese thing that worries me. >> i mean i mean, i hate to think that we've become a nation that has to be surveilled because there's so much petty crime going on, which, again , crime going on, which, again, not to not to sound like a broken record, but i do feel that a lot of this is coming from this society in decline. we don't have enough connection anymore. we're losing respect for society in a way where now this type of thing that we're discussing is all the more common. and i think that's what makes i'd makes me uncomfortable. i'd rather we focus on prevention over penalties, prevention over facial recognition technology. well amy, i think you've been coming on for a few weeks now. >> it's been a great pleasure. we've something. agree we've found something. we agree on. bit suspicious on. we're both a bit suspicious of facial recognition. >> chinese chinese . >> chinese. chinese chinese. >> chinese. chinese chinese. >> and we're going to be talking a bit more about that in a

moment. so thank you to my panel moment. so thank you to my panel. up, whereas panel. coming up, whereas britain's as britain's role in the world as we enter multi polar

order welcome back. i continue to identify as jacob rees—mogg and this is state of the nation. you've been getting in touch with your mail mmogs. now, dan is a tough man. he says, i would support death penalty being support the death penalty being brought for repeat brought back for repeat offenders. this is offenders. and this is shoplifting convictions and shoplifting ten convictions and you're done. that's nine chances to straight . we need to get to go straight. we need to get tough . even singapore would find tough. even singapore would find that a little tough. but anyway, thank you, dan, for getting in touch last weekend, our aukus allies , australia and america, allies, australia and america, agreed to step up military presence in the indo—pacific in a key move to counter the perceived threat from china . the perceived threat from china. the us has promised to supply australia with troops , aircraft australia with troops, aircraft and money to speed up australia's missile manufacturing after concerns were raised about peking's

problematic behaviour and militarisation of the south china sea. china's defence spending has significantly increased over the last three decades, with their spending now much , much higher than it was much, much higher than it was and competing or getting close to competing with america . the to competing with america. the us department of defence claims that china's spending could be double the reported figures. nevertheless these plans build positively on the aukus agreement, which will see uk designed submarine is being used to protect and deter threats within the indo—pacific region . within the indo—pacific region. i'm very glad to be joined this evening by tim smith, the former shadow attorney general of victoria . tim, thank you for victoria. tim, thank you for coming in. this seems to me to be a really important move that it reassures australia in terms of australian security , but also of australian security, but also it's the recognition that china is a real threat . is a real threat. >> well, jacob, firstly, thank you very much for having me, but this is very , very serious. it's this is very, very serious. it's very serious for britain , it's very serious for britain, it's very serious for britain, it's very serious for australia. obviously it's very serious for the states, but it's very

the united states, but it's very serious stability . i serious for global stability. i mean, china's got the largest navy in the world. it's got 400 nuclear . it's got one nuclear warheads. it's got one of the largest intelligence programs in the world and they are militarising the south china sea. they are signing agreements with western pacific nations like the solomon islands. with western pacific nations like the solomon islands . they like the solomon islands. they are a threat to australia . they are a threat to australia. they are a threat to australia. they are a threat to australia. they are a threat to world peace . are a threat to world peace. now, the chinese navy has in excess well, will have this year probably 400 ships. the royal navy has 70. the royal australian navy has 38. australian navy has 38. australia on a good day, probably has 200 long—range missiles. it can use to defend itself. so australia is seeing a geostrategic situation like it saw in the 1930 with the rise of japan and australia is an island. so if it's cut off from our allies, particularly the united states, australia can't defend itself and we know that china, the people's republic of

china, the people's republic of china, has some aggressive intentions. >> it's made it quite clear over taiwan , over its behaviour taiwan, over its behaviour around taiwan that it expects ultimately to take taiwan back to reunite that china. and it's not afraid of using its military might at some point to do that. >> cia director burns said earlier this year that they have intelligence that the chinese are preparing for war by 2027. xi jinping wants the pla ready to invade taiwan by 2027 now, and 2027 is an important date because it's the 100th anniversary of the appeal of the pla. now we all know that america engages in strategic ambiguity with taiwan , but in ambiguity with taiwan, but in reality it will come to taiwan's aid. the question is , will aid. the question is, will australia, will australia be compelled cd to accompany its ally , the united states, in the ally, the united states, in the defence of taiwan ? i personally defence of taiwan? i personally think it should, but australia is not capable of doing that at the moment defence the moment because our defence spending , like the united spending, like the united kingdom's is slightly less than

2% of gdp. the americans spend 3% of their gdp on defence now a bit like here, i don't think that we can simply rely on the united states to come to our defence every time we have a problem. australia is going to have to spend more on defence. so united kingdom , so as the united kingdom, absolutely, and we need to work together as well because china is a threat on a global scale and if it were allowed to succeed in one area, that would be a problem for the rest of the world. of course. i mean, xi jinping is a threat to world peace. xi jinping is a marxist, leninist and a chinese nationalist that wishes to essentially undo do what he believes is the 100 years of shame of the 19th century. and this what's interesting about this what's interesting about this is the development, because until xi jinping took over, china seem to be entering china did seem to be entering the modern world order, that it seemed to be cooperate with it. >> it seemed to want to become part of it. and it was growing rich on the back of it. yes, she has rather changed that. but the

west slow to wake up. west was quite slow to wake up. you uk government you had the uk government talking about golden age talking about about golden age in . yes. but then in relations. yes. but then you've had aukus, you've had the deal with india, japan, the us and australia. you've now got this arrangement and you've had about $350 million of support going to taiwan , announced very going to taiwan, announced very recently . this is all recently. this is all intelligence led, isn't it? it's not just theorising , this is not not just theorising, this is not politicians deciding that we're going to give australia nuclear powered submarines. >> this is coming from the five eyes, defence and intelligence sharing arrangement between australia and new zealand , australia and new zealand, canada, the united states and britain. this is coming from aim high , high, very, very high, high, very, very significant intelligence gathering by our allies about china's intentions . china's china's intentions. china's intentions are very dangerous and the fact that our intelligence people have said that australia needs nuclear submarines, that britain has pivoted back into the indo—pacific for the first time in decades. well, that is no

coincidence that britain's back in the indo—pacific. that is to counter china, because british intelligence knows that china is a threat to britain's national interests and indeed global stability . stability. >> and we should take these intelligence warnings very seriously, because before russia invaded ukraine, yes, the intelligence services were telling everybody about telling everybody this was about to there was an uproar, to happen. there was an uproar, precedented by the us precedented openness by the us and the uk intelligence services to say what was about to happen. and of commentators ignored and lots of commentators ignored it, said , oh, no, no, i'm sure it, said, oh, no, no, i'm sure that's not what happened. but they're now saying similar things about china, and it's really important wake up really important that we wake up to this. >> it's incredibly important , >> it's incredibly important, and i can understand why viewers tonight will be saying, well, china's very long away china's a very long way away from united kingdom. well, from the united kingdom. well, it and it isn't. it's very it is and it isn't. it's very close to some very key allies of the united kingdom, particularly allies that have stood with the united kingdom post—brexit , like united kingdom post—brexit, like australia. britain's most important ally of the united states . the united states is states. the united states is a pacific power as australia is

our most important ally. thank you. >> even though even though you've retained ashes . you've retained the ashes. >> get on to >> well, we'll get on to the cricket in a minute. but. but tie wan and liz truss has made this point number times. this point a number of times. taiwan is the next great i suppose , collision point between suppose, collision point between democracy and authoritarianism . democracy and authoritarianism. and if taiwan was to fall that would be a disaster for the world as we've seen historically. >> if we don't stand with our allies is then the bad guys get to win anyway. thank you very much, tim. that's all from me. and tomorrow . so and i'm not here tomorrow. so it's until thursday. up next, it's me until thursday. up next, it's me until thursday. up next, it's the great professor daniel wootton. dan, what's up wootton. dan, what's coming up on program? wootton. dan, what's coming up on missprogram? wootton. dan, what's coming up on miss youram? wootton. dan, what's coming up on miss you tomorrow, jacob. a >> miss you tomorrow, jacob. a great show tonight. we have got lots way actually. meghan lots on the way actually. meghan kelly has sat down with ron desantis. is his political ambition of becoming the us president now over? >> she'll reveal all from that interview . interview. >> plus tom bower with the latest on the royals and richard tice, the leader of reform uk, on the nigel farage de—banking

scandal. >> that's an absolutely terrific line up. everyone wants to be glued to that. i'm going to be back tomorrow . i'm jacob back tomorrow. i'm jacob rees—mogg. this has been state of nation. next week i'm of the nation. next week i'm going to be broadcasting the program from somerset so you'll be able to see exactly how beautiful the weather is. there and how it's always sunny, except today i think there might have been a little bit of rain, but now it's the weather that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here with the gb news forecast . here with the gb news forecast. turning wet again overnight, heavy showers replaced the rain into to wednesday, but unseasoned winds, especially along southern coastal parts of england , an area of low pressure england, an area of low pressure is developing over the atlantic. that's going to move through central parts of overnight. it's going bring the strongest going to bring the strongest winds on the southern flank and friday before another low arrivesonl . friday before another low arriveson the southern flank and some ahead of into winds on the southern flank and some ahead of into some heavy rain ahead of it into northern ireland later this some heavy rain ahead of it into northern ireland later this evening, wales , evening, wales , evening, passing through wales, southern england,

evening, passing through wales, soutthen england, evening, passing through wales, soutthen eventually england, evening, passing through wales, soutthen eventually northern, evening, passing through wales, soutthen eventually northern and and then eventually northern and eastern england, seeing wet wet eastern england, seeing the wet weather as well as eastern england, seeing the wet weather as well as weather by dawn, as well as southern scotland. now, northern weather by dawn, as well as southern scotland. now, northern scotland clear overnight scotland clear overnight southern scotland. now, northern scothere clear overnight southern scotland. now, northern scothere temperatures'ernight southern scotland. now, northern scothere clear overnight southern scotland. now, northern scothere temperatures'ernight southern scotland. now, northern scothere temperatures'ernigdip and here temperatures will dip into the single figures. but southern scotland. now, northern scothere temperatures'ernigdip and here temperatures will dip into the single figures. but elsewhere , those temperatures elsewhere , those temperatures elsewhere, those temperatures will 13, 14, 15 celsius. elsewhere, those temperatures will 13, 14, 15 celsius. will stay at 13, 14, 15 celsius. will stay at 13, 14, 15 celsius. but it is a wet and windy start but it is a wet and windy start to wednesday. the wettest to wednesday. the weather will be across northern ireland, central and southern scotland, northern england and other band of rain moves through southern counties for a while, carried through on a strength wind gales for wind with the risk of gales for coastal areas 50, perhaps 60 mile per hour wind gusts that could cause impacts if you're taking part in outdoor activities, example, or activities, for example, or camping . another thing that camping. and another thing that could impactful are very could be impactful are very heavy and thunderstorms heavy showers and thunderstorms through parts that all through central parts that all clears through. and by thursday , it's a much brighter start to the day. some out the day. some sunshine out there. though , there. quite quickly, though, there. quite quickly, though, the in and further the cloud fills in and further showers develop by the afternoon. hit and miss downpours the wind from the downpours and the wind from the north will make it feel on the cold side. similar conditions on friday before another low arrives on .

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