new website to help launched a new website to help people who like him , have had people who like him, have had their bank accounts forcibly closed. the gb news presenter says a thousand accounts are being shut every day . being shut every day. >> what i've learned in the three weeks since i came out, as it were , i've just been it were, i've just been inundated by small businesses , inundated by small businesses, by folk all around the country , by folk all around the country, people in absolute fear, terror like he's being ruined. thousands of businesses are being closed . being closed. >> the prime minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods. the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists. in an interview with the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports people's right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them . shadow international trade them. shadow international trade secretary nick thomas—symonds says the prime minister should leave the decision on to local areas . areas. >> our position is that it is

for communities to make these decisions, whether it is in terms of low traffic neighbourhoods where by the way, there are communities up and down the country. we want to reduce traffic going through their neighbourhoods, whether it is in terms of, you know, clean air zones . we've talked air zones. we've talked obviously specifically about ulez . yes, we certainly believe ulez. yes, we certainly believe a well—planned low traffic neighbourhood is a good thing . neighbourhood is a good thing. >> you're up to date on gb news now. it's over to free speech nafion now. it's over to free speech nation . on nation. on. race >> barbie is back in the spotlight . matt cook at home spotlight. matt cook at home meals could be banned and keir starmer finally learns what a woman is . this is free speech woman is. this is free speech nafion woman is. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech

nation. welcome to free speech nafion nation. welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture current affairs and politics and of course , and politics and of course, we'll have the latest from those lovable culture warriors. and as usual, seven usual, they've had a busy seven days show days coming up on the show tonight at the barbie movie has conquered the box office. but is it any good? i'm going it actually any good? i'm going to joined two guests to to be joined by two guests to a very different views on that one, joan one, author and feminist joan smith will be here to discuss labour's to reform labour's plans to reform the gender . gender recognition act. malaysian comedian rizal van gazal found himself in jail for making jokes about his islamic heritage. he will be here to tell us this remarkable story and the wonderful christopher biggins will be here to tell us about his long and distinguished career in show business. and of course, i've got a wonderful panel my questions panel answering my questions from audience tonight. from my studio audience tonight. my from my studio audience tonight. my guests are diane spencer and frances foster , who how are you frances foster, who how are you both? have you noticed i'm wearing a new tie which was given to me by lewis schaffer, one regular panellists. given to me by lewis schaffer, one god agular panellists. given to me by lewis schaffer, one god .]ular panellists. given to me by lewis schaffer, one god . because ellists. given to me by lewis schaffer, one god . because he sts. given to me by lewis schaffer, one god . because he said to oh, my god. because he said to me, have ties and he

me, i have terrible ties and he wanted to do something it. wanted to do something about it. >> . and that's he >> okay. and that's the move he made . made. >> oh, is no made. >> oh, is no, no, no >> oh, is it no good? no, no, no , no. i can take off if you want. >> w- w" en- mn- want. >> to encourage i'm not want. >> to encourage i'rt0|ot want. >> to encourage i'rto strip going to encourage you to strip on your own show. well, you know, whatever you want. know, it's whatever you want. >> like i'm being turned >> i feel like i'm being turned down mortgage. yeah, i've. down for a mortgage. yeah, i've. >> that very much the look >> that is very much the look i'm going for. i want authority . yeah, what want, . yeah, that's what i want, because . all because i never get it. all right, look, got great right, look, we've got a great audience may well audience here, so we may as well break them straight away break out to them straight away and so our break out to them straight away and question so our break out to them straight away and question from so our break out to them straight away and question from joe.so our first question is from joe. where is joe? hello, joe. hi. >> my question is, do you think that women should be grateful to keir starmer for finally telling us what a woman is? yeah because we didn't know before, did we? >> we didn't know. it was funny because remember starmer >> we didn't know. it was funny becau on remember starmer >> we didn't know. it was funny becau on lbc1ember starmer >> we didn't know. it was funny becau on lbc where' starmer >> we didn't know. it was funny becau on lbc where nick starmer >> we didn't know. it was funny becau on lbc where nick ferrarizr being on lbc where nick ferrari asked him , you know, can a woman asked him, you know, can a woman have a penis ? and he just have a penis? and he just couldn't answer the question. it was absolutely do you can i ask you, from your perspective you, joe, from your perspective , do you trust he's a , do you trust that he's at a complete about turn? you don't know. okay. i noticed you wearing a t shirt the word know. okay. i noticed you wearingont shirt the word know. okay. i noticed you wearingon it;hirt the word know. okay. i noticed you wearingon it . irt the word know. okay. i noticed you wearingon it . what the word know. okay. i noticed you wearingon it . what do he word know. okay. i noticed you wearingon it . what do you�*ord know. okay. i noticed you wearingon it . what do you think woman on it. what do you think

about this? because a lot of people to, lot of people i've spoken to, a lot of women you know, women who have said, you know, labour have let us down so often for the past few years, now for the past few years, and now they're like we had they're pretending like we had it along. do you think it right all along. do you think that can be trusted? >> brutally honest, >> no. to be brutally honest, they can't if you they can't be trusted if you actually look labour's actually look at labour's journey , they they basically had journey, they they basically had the same values when it came to this debate or the same as this debate or the same ideas as the snp. they have now watched the snp. they have now watched the snp. they have now watched the snp make an absolute hash of it and implode. so they're looking at the snp going, well, we don't want to go that far, but you listen to their explanation of what a woman is and the gender debate and it's like the gender debate. but if it was directed by christopher nolan yeah, and you can't actually understand what is being said or their actual position . position. >> mixed, position. >> it's very mixed, isn't it? because what you because i don't know what you think, know, this think, diane, but you know, this document dodds document that analysed dodds produced and wrote, i think it was guardian. and was in the guardian. yeah. and she basically very she was basically very triumphalist talking you triumphalist talking about, you know, we're morally superior than tories. it's than the tories. and it's true the have presided over than the tories. and it's true thethis have presided over than the tories. and it's true thethis nonsense,esided over than the tories. and it's true thethis nonsense, buted over than the tories. and it's true thethis nonsense, but labour all this nonsense, but labour haven't done, haven't had labour

haven't done, haven't had labour have anything, have been a bit worse haven't they. have anything, have been a bit worla haven't they. have anything, have been a bit wori always haven't they. have anything, have been a bit wori always find ven't they. have anything, have been a bit wori always find that they. have anything, have been a bit wori always find that sirey. have anything, have been a bit wori always find that sir keir >> i always find that sir keir is much i he is very is very much i he is very robotic and he's now been reprogrammed to say a woman is an adult female. yeah. guys, great. yeah i've got this right. but as soon as. >> how did he not know that before. >> well it wasn't programmed. and when he was then pushed and he said, well , should women have he said, well, should women have safe spaces ? he went, yes, they safe spaces? he went, yes, they should. it's like, okay, the should. and it's like, okay, the programme's gone that far. but then said, and he then they said, why? and then he couldn't answer that question because they haven't typed it in yet. >> it's still confusing, though, diane, anneliese diane, because what anneliese dodds saying she dodds was saying is that she wants up the gender wants to speed up the gender recognition other recognition reforms in other words, make easier words, that make it easier for people acquire a grc. yes. people to acquire a grc. yes. and at the same time saying they're going protect women they're going to protect women spaces. in protect spaces. but in order to protect women's spaces, they have to know right know what a woman is. right >> to what >> well, you have to know what a woman i'd you know, you woman is. and i'd you know, you have tall or whatever have to be this tall or whatever to also so that's the to ride. but also so that's the way my husband does it. but also

so they want to medicalize it. and now i'm sorry, but you can't do medicalize the gender transition process . transition process. >> but that's where the snp went wrong is because they started pushing gender self—id. yes and of no woman at any of course what no woman at any point was saying and i do i do believe think believe this. i don't think anyone was suggesting that there's an inherent predatory nature to trans people, which is the man you constantly the straw man you constantly hean the straw man you constantly hear. saying is hear. what they were saying is people a system people could exploit a system where you just declare yourself right . that's that's clearly right. that's that's clearly the case course it is. case of course it is. >> and only have to at >> and you only have to look at the either us, the case of either bryson us, a two rapist , to realise two time male rapist, to realise that that is exactly , exactly that that is exactly, exactly what happened. yes. and if you haven't seen a picture of isla bryson, feminine in bryson, he is very feminine in that a facial tattoo that he has got a facial tattoo reminiscent of mike tyson at his most insane . most insane. >> yeah. yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> he then got convicted for male rape twice. it was at this point they thought you know what i feel like a woman . he got some i feel like a woman. he got some pink leggings from primark . he pink leggings from primark. he found a wig in a skip and now he demanding access to

demanding entrance and access to female spaces. yes. and that's where we are. and what was completely insane about it is there was a member of the snp on on question time who wouldn't even say that he was male. >> it's that's quite astonishing, diane, because i was just reading there's been a case in guernsey where a guernsey though i love guernsey but trans identifying male in guernsey raped a woman or has been accused of raping a woman andifs been accused of raping a woman and it's gone to court and in court they're using phrases like her penis, even though they're talking sexual assault and talking about sexual assault and that , i think talking about sexual assault and that, i think to me is maddening and sort of accentuates the cruelty to the victim, doesn't it? >> it's deeply unfair on the victim. it's deeply unfair because you've got to use language accurately when you're talking this. language accurately when you're talioh this. language accurately when you're talioh , this. language accurately when you're talioh , i this. language accurately when you're talioh , i think1is. >> oh, i think so. >> oh, i think so. >> you're a court >> i mean, you're in a court of law sake. like i law for goodness sake. like i don't understand why suddenly everybody has to sort of bow down to feelings of one down to the feelings of one individual. and have individual. and we have to ignore the actual english language . language. >> and not just that, but the perpetrators, defence team has accused the victim of being

transphobic or saying the accusations are motivated by transphobic it's dodgy transphobic. it's a dodgy case. we'll that next we'll probably get to that next week we're to week if hopefully we're going to get question. is get another question. now is this from jean mark? is that right , jean—marc jean—marc right, jean—marc jean—marc sorry, nice accent . sorry, nice accent. >> go on. okay. in the light of nigel farage's the de—banking , nigel farage's the de—banking, should there be an investigation into esg which is driving woke capitalism, woke capitalism ? capitalism, woke capitalism? >> um, we've been talking about this on the channel for this week you can week quite a lot as you can imagine, jean—marc, because obviously nigel is here at the channel. but what's been interesting to me, i think , is interesting to me, i think, is the of leftists online the number of leftists online who have effectively said it's great that nigel farage can have his bank account taken away, not realising that the winds could change and it could happen to them. say that, you them. like if you say that, you know, if you have a certain political view that the banks don't agree with, then surely that's going to bite you if you set precedent, it? that's going to bite you if you set well, )recedent, it? that's going to bite you if you set well,)rec

and if the person in charge of the bank decides , do you know the bank decides, do you know what, had enough the what, i've had enough of the vegans and they cancel vegans and they just like cancel all the bank accounts of anybody who's . who's a vegan. >> you're making quite >> you're making it quite persuasive . but but what do we persuasive. but but what do we what do we do , though, if what do we do, though, if i mean, you know , there's lots of mean, you know, there's lots of left wing people i've spoken to who say, look, they don't agree with nigel farage of with nigel farage on lots of things, has a right things, but he still has a right to account. to a bank account. >> of one them. and >> one of those one of them. and you're one of those people, right . but do you're one of those people, right. but do many right. but why do so many people then on, let's say your side on then on, let's say your side on the not get that? the left not get that? you should stand up for the basic principle that everyone should be equally, irrespective principle that everyone should betheir equally, irrespective principle that everyone should betheir politically, irrespective principle that everyone should betheir political views?pective of their political views? >> well, little bit >> well, i'm a little bit worried some people in my worried that some people in my group bit the other group have gone a bit the other way , you know, way and they sort of, you know, that whole horseshoe thing where if sort somebody that whole horseshoe thing where if left, sort somebody that whole horseshoe thing where if left, but somebody that whole horseshoe thing where if left, but then)mebody that whole horseshoe thing where if left, but then yomody that whole horseshoe thing where if left, but then you goy who's left, but then you go militant, left, you basically end fascist. end up fascist. >> authoritarian. end up fascist. >> yes authoritarian. end up fascist. >> yes . authoritarian. end up fascist. >> yes . i'm authoritarian. end up fascist. >> yes. i'm a authoritarian. end up fascist. >> yes . i'm a little loritarian. end up fascist. >> yes. i'm a little bittarian. end up fascist. >> yes . i'm a little bit worried >> yes. i'm a little bit worried that that the that some people is that the worry, francis ? worry, do you think, francis? >> why is there this of >> why is there this kind of authoritarianism coming? >> just say , i think the >> can i just say, i think the cruellest thing is making a man

who's over 50 suddenly realise he have to use paypal. he might have to use paypal. i think that is the cruellest blow , but not even well, paypal kicked off the free speech union i >> -- >> they got it back, but they did that. and again, because of well, we think although they didn't a political didn't say because a political views we are dealing a new views we are dealing with a new phase of the culture aren't phase of the culture war aren't we here where we're basically back financial institutions can they stop you getting a home? what do they want ? do want what do they want? do they want they want their political opponents street opponents homeless on the street with access to funds. what's with no access to funds. what's going thing that i found going on? the thing that i found most this most depressing about this entire incident is that you had people , not all of people on the left, not all of them, left , them, but people on the left, essentially championing not only authoritarianism, but big banks. >> yeah, that is quite literally the opposite of what you should be doing if you're on the left who has not very left wing, is it? >> no. yes. to the big corporations multi—billion pound. >> exactly. viva hsbc and you just who is ever looked at a banker and thought to themselves you know what you're the one

who's got all the right opinions. >> exactly the banks should be our moral guide , basically, our moral guide, basically, because they're clearly in it for altruistic purposes. >> exactly . >> exactly. >> exactly. >> it's come to the point where you think, well, you know, if jesus was alive today, would he be a banker? would have be a banker? would he have a cocaine addiction and stumble out on a out of stringfellows on a tuesday night? out of stringfellows on a tue no,r night? out of stringfellows on a tue no, actually, to be fair to >> no, actually, to be fair to jesus, he would have trashed the banks trashed moneylenders >> he trashed the moneylenders in the temple, that's he in the temple, so that's why he would what in the temple, so that's why he wo you what in the temple, so that's why he wo you think? what in the temple, so that's why he wo you think? do what in the temple, so that's why he wo you think? do you what in the temple, so that's why he wo you think? do you think what in the temple, so that's why he wo you think? do you think theret do you think? do you think there should an should be more of an investigation should be more of an invlegislation? you think should be more of an invlegshould�*n? you think should be more of an invlegshould definitely think there should definitely be serious investigation because the underlying thing is this esg , which is really channelling all this . all this. >> and i think the problem is, is that the majority of people just aren't aware of this . just aren't aware of this. >> but they're becoming aware now, aren't they? i think you're right. people haven't been aware for a long but i think for a long time. but i think with in the with the new campaign in the nigel it might nigel farage is doing, it might raise awareness because apparently it's not just him. there of people there are thousands of people who've taken who've had their banks taken away from them. but we away from them. but anyway, we don't any more don't have time for any more on that. on to don't have time for any more on tiquestion on to don't have time for any more on tiquestion from on to

don't have time for any more on tiquestion from hi on to don't have time for any more on tiquestion from hi twyla. a question from twyla. hi twyla. how are you? all right. what's your question? >> um, what do you think about al? d0 >> um, what do you think about al? do you think they will take ai? do you think they will take over from human beings ? over from human beings? >> what do you think ? yeah, >> what do you think? yeah, because it's quite a scary question you've come up with that. um, i think some part of it i'm with you and i feel like a bit of a luddite for saying this, but i don't really trust computers, right? maybe it's because i'm not very good at them. i get nervous because them. i'm. i get nervous because i don't really know to i don't really know how to use them. truth is, i mean, them. but the truth is, i mean, i've been i recently rewatched them. but the truth is, i mean, i'vethe an i recently rewatched them. but the truth is, i mean, i'vethe terminatory rewatched them. but the truth is, i mean, i'vethe terminator filmsitched them. but the truth is, i mean, i'vethe terminator films andd all the terminator films and good good good start and it's always good to do research. >> exactly , exactly. >> andrew exactly, exactly. i take this seriously , right? take this show seriously, right? >> and truth is, although >> and the truth is, although obviously i don't believe arnold schwarzenegger is going to come back , but i back and kill everyone, but i think element think there is the element that if artificial if you create artificial intelligence that then decides that humans are an impediment to what is in its best interests in a very cold, emotionless way . a very cold, emotionless way. this isn't the stuff of fantasy necessarily, is it? no, it's not

the stuff of fantasies. >> it's the stuff of dystopia. so take an example like driverless cars, which apparent only according to certain people who actually know about this. it's going to be 10 to 15, maybe 20 years. right. and you think , 20 years. right. and you think, well, what's the problem with that ? but then well, what's the problem with that? but then you think how many people in this country and the instance, make their the us, for instance, make their living from driving, from driving , yes. from whether it's driving, yes. from whether it's cab drivers , lorry drivers. et cab drivers, lorry drivers. et cetera. what is what is going to happen that entire cohort of happen to that entire cohort of men ? i really want them to be men? i really want them to be unemployed people have said that for though, terms for a while, though, in terms of robots that robots in factories and that kind affects people's employment. >> but more specifically, diane , the possibility , do you fear the possibility of ai actually causing armageddon ? ai actually causing armageddon? >> i think that it's going to more be the way that a human interacts with al. like, for example, there is an ai that can learn different languages , learn different languages, right? and it proved that it could learn. think it was could learn. i think it was bangladeshi, if an ai bangladeshi, yes. now if an ai can learn bangladeshi, that means it can interpret codes, it can words. and if you can interpret words. and if you have ai that you persuade to

have an ai that you persuade to be your side and you get it be on your side and you get it to interpret, say, military codes of another country , then codes of another country, then you can get the codes of another country or the ai will do it itself. >> the computer will decide this will be better for me to hack the military of a foreign power and launch the missiles. i've thought about this a lot. it's going know, watched >> you know, you've watched terminator . terminator. >> i've watched terminator. i've thought . i thought about terminator. i don't some don't want to sound like some kind testament prophet, don't want to sound like some kind think stament prophet, don't want to sound like some kind think the1ent prophet, don't want to sound like some kind think the end prophet, don't want to sound like some kind think the end isophet, don't want to sound like some kind think the end is nigh.. but i do think the end is nigh. let's move on to a question from russell. where's russell? hi, russell. >> hi. is elon's ex a good idea or has he lost or is he totally lost? the plot ? lost? the plot? >> are you on twitter, russell? i . well, not twitter anymore. i am. well, not twitter anymore. now ex . now it's ex. >> i think so. still confused. >> w- confused. >> confused because >> well, i was confused because i on twitter other i went back on twitter the other day comes day and yeah, the x logo comes up then . but isn't he just up and then. but isn't he just trying up ? what trying to shake things up? what do you think? trying to shake things up? what do you ta nk? trying to shake things up? what do you ta bright guy. he's >> he's a bright guy. he's probably plan. probably got a plan. >> got plan we won't >> he's got a plan that we won't understand it. >> itching something? >> oh, yes. >> oh, yes. >> well , because >> oh, yes. >> well, because elon >> oh, yes. >> well , because elon to >> well, because elon wants to turn into a an app that turn it into a an app that caters for everything because

they have these super apps in china you can not only china where you can not only sort of tweet on them , you can sort of tweet on them, you can order get a cab order drinks, you can get a cab , you i know , get , you can i don't know, get cinema tickets. they have these super apps and he wants to turn into a super app. so that's twitter is obsolete then, because people aren't tweeting . because people aren't tweeting. >> they're doing sorts stuff. >> $- @ he well he stuff. >> he well he wants @ he well he wants to >> yeah, he well he wants to essentially scrub twitter and essentially re scrub twitter and turn it into something bigger. so he decided to ditch its current name. it's big. >> it's bold though isn't it because like he historically over promises and under delivers where's my hyperloop? >> where is it. it's not here. >> where is it. it's not here. >> what is a hyperloop? >> what is a hyperloop? >> well, it's essentially a vacuum train that he said he was going to build these hyperloops that were going to connect, you know, countries , cities. they know, countries, cities. they were going to you would be able to travel across america and like hour in a like literally an hour in a vacuum built . vacuum train built. >> he's very ambitious. i mean, he about he also talked about transhumanism, where embed transhumanism, where you embed a computer in your brain and so you become a heightened, enhanced version of a human like in dark fate, which in terminator dark fate, which is latest instalment of

is the latest instalment of terminator . is the latest instalment of terminator. but what do you i know a lot about terminator at the moment, but what you the moment, but what do you think about this with elon? because he does do these wild things , but then maybe twitter things, but then maybe twitter does need to develop and move with times and change and adapt. >> well, look, every business needs to to with the needs to adapt, to move with the times twitter times and change. and twitter is famously never declared a profit. it's never declared a penny of profit. so what elon is trying to do is he's trying to make profitable because make this app profitable because how spend on it? 44 billion. >> ah , well, loose change. >> ah, well, loose change. >> ah, well, loose change. >> exactly . the only thing that >> exactly. the only thing that i would say, and think all of i would say, and i think all of us this is that it us can agree on this is that it is a rubbish name . is a rubbish name. >> x x x. >> x xx. »- >> x x x. >> yeah. yeah it is. >> x x x. >> yeah. yeah it is . really? >> yeah. yeah it is. really? >> yeah. yeah it is. really? >> well, what is it you tweet your x thing? >> know . i your x thing? >> know. i don't your x thing? >> know . i don't really >> i don't know. i don't really understand means, it understand what it means, but it looks yeah. looks quite cool. yeah. >> can't turn it >> no, because you can't turn it into right. like into a verb. he's right. like because you can't x someone you could tweet, but like x. what are you like? they were saying z? >> yeah, yeah. could you see me tomorrow? oh, no. >> that sounds like something a trans activist would say , trans activist would say, wouldn't it? >> em 5 e a pi'oi'ioui'i .

>> it sounds like a pronoun. >> it sounds like a pronoun. >> yeah, it does thing. i'm a zit. i'm a zeet zeet xau. >> okay , we're going to move on >> okay, we're going to move on now to another question from david. david? hi, david. david. where's david? hi, david. here >> should nhs staff wear a >> should the nhs staff wear a gratitude poncho as gratitude ponchos? >> right . ponchos? >> right. i ponchos? >> right . i love ponchos? >> right. i love this ponchos? >> right . i love this story. >> right. i love this story. this these the nhs adviser that said, you know, the staff should put these ponchos on. they called gratitude ponchos because it's like a team building thing and people end up signing. you can see a picture now actually, people each other's people are signing each other's ponchos put like ponchos and they put like motivational, positive messages on each other. do you think that's work ? that's going to work? >> i mean, could it on a >> i mean, you could do it on a toilet know why toilet wall. i don't know why you're the back. you're doing it on the back. well, you remember day >> do you remember your last day of were allowed >> do you remember your last day of each were allowed >> do you remember your last day of each other's were allowed >> do you remember your last day of each other's shirtsallowed >> do you remember your last day of each other's shirts ?lowed to sign each other's shirts? yeah, but i just lots of yeah, but i just got lots of abuse so i don't think abuse on mine, so i don't think that you know, was. >> i was at an all girls school . boobs. oh is that . we just drew boobs. oh is that what girls do ? what girls do? >> well, yeah, because you go how. >> now. >> you've got to walk around like this all day with your boobs out. i didn't realise girls did that. >> no, didn't. know >> no, i didn't. i know about the yeah,

exactly. >> always thought. you >> and we always thought. you always were better always pretended you were better than us. and turns out you're not. >> did i pretend i was better than you? >> i think he means girls generally >> i think he means girls ger girls. generally. >> girls. generally. your genden >> girls. generally. your gender. is a massive gender. whoa. that is a massive stereotype, there. stereotype, right there. >> you could stop your sexism. >> you're absolutely right. >> no, you're absolutely right. your women are worse. if anything made right. >> well , well, good call back, >> well, well, good call back, because we might even talk about that later on. >> but look, that's all we got. time still time for this section. but still to nation , to come on free speech nation, it conquered office it has conquered the box office and cultural and become the cultural phenomenon . but is phenomenon of the summer. but is the movie actually any the barbie movie actually any good? two guests with somewhat differing opinions will be here to discuss that. but first, let's get your latest weather . let's get your latest weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your evening news. weather updates provided by the met office as we head

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gb news. welcome back to free speech nation. >> with me andrew doyle. no doubt about the cultural phenomenon of the summer. the barbie movie has taken the box office by storm. the film, directed by greta gerwig, has enjoyed the biggest opening weekend of the year, taking over

£261 million globally. that's the biggest ever opening weekend takings for a movie directed by a solo female director. let's take a quick look . hey, barbie, take a quick look. hey, barbie, can i come to your house tonight? >> sure . >> sure. >> sure. >> i don't have anything big planned. just a giant blow—out party with all the barbies and planned choreography and a bespoke song. should stop planned choreography and a bessoze song. should stop planned choreography and a besso cool1g. should stop planned choreography and a besso cool .]. should stop planned choreography and a besso cool . so should stop planned choreography and a besso cool . so is should stop planned choreography and a besso cool . so is itiould stop planned choreography and a besso cool . so is it actuallyyp by. so cool. so is it actually any good? >> well, here to discuss this , >> well, here to discuss this, i'm joined by two brilliant broadcasters and commentators. pressure smear and lyn may . so pressure smear and lyn may. so precious. i'm to going have to come to you first. because of the way you're dressed. you have clearly a barbie fan, right? >> a huge barbie fan. i >> i'm a huge barbie fan. i think that it was a brilliant movie it's done. and it movie. it's well done. and it showed so many elements of reality as well as obviously it is. it's from a child's play toy. yes. so they've actually managed to create such an adult

reality for us to actually enjoy it. now as adults. growing up with it, i was like, i loved barbie. i mean , i managed to see barbie. i mean, i managed to see the movie three times. >> okay, quite a fan . >> okay, quite a fan. >> okay, quite a fan. >> so i'm a huge of it. i've >> so i'm a huge fan of it. i've been every cried in been to it every time i cried in every single part of it was just it was just magical. it was like for me, i think you would have to grinch sold to be the grinch that sold christmas. if you don't the christmas. if you don't like the barbie okay, full christmas. if you don't like the bajoye okay, full christmas. if you don't like the bajoy colour, okay, full christmas. if you don't like the bajoy colour, just ay, full christmas. if you don't like the bajoy colour, just fantastic full christmas. if you don't like the bajoy colour, just fantastic .jll of joy colour, just fantastic. >> so, lynn, are you the grinch ? >> ?- >> no, 7- >> no, i 7 >> no, i wouldn't say i'm the grinch. i actually dressed up in pink. i was looking forward to going see but i was just going to see it, but i was just quite disappointed. firstly i found it quite boring . the group found it quite boring. the group of us that went to go and see it by mid—movie like on our by mid—movie we were like on our phones watching it because phones watching it just because the story they could have done so was so so much with it. it was so typical. if it was something done maybe in the 80s, early 90s, where, yeah, it was a phenomenon for a woman to be, you potentially a doctor you know, potentially a doctor or astronaut or, you those or astronaut or, you know, those sorts things. like sorts of things. but it's like something we've all heard before. doing these before. we're all doing these things. we're active as things. we're all active as women do we need be women now. why do we need to be

preached women now. why do we need to be preach that really annoyed things that really annoyed me was criticism towards was the criticism towards capitalism . yet barbie is based capitalism. yet barbie is based on capitalism. you don't go into a shop without seeing it pushed in your face. do you want a barbie a barbie brush? barbie tissue? a barbie brush? so think i wanted to go so i just think i wanted to go and watch a movie that was essentially yes, we played essentially fun. yes, we played with dolls. i didn't need to hear patriarchy . i hear about the patriarchy. i didn't be turned didn't need to see men be turned into these drivelling wet , like into these drivelling wet, like begging. oh barbie gaye's barbie. we need men to be strong, represent the community. >> correct. because the purpose of the movie is showing that men can show emotion . so you don't can show emotion. so you don't have to be this macho , strong have to be this macho, strong person all the time. she was teaching ken to be his individual self, to show emotion. it's okay to cry . emotion. it's okay to cry. precious do you think it's the modern now that wasn't modern day now that wasn't really was constantly really crying. he was constantly emotional. you can't put so much pressure on men and remember it's well. it's a child's movie as well. it's also for adults, but it's a children. >> that's the question, isn't it precious? should they be? should they politicising? is they be politicising? what is essentially a family, children orientated show and dealing with stuff the patriarchy?

stuff like the patriarchy? >> first all, the >> well, first of all, the parents it, parents have to go and watch it, right? make right? so you have to make it interesting for them. and i had a time and obviously a brilliant time and obviously i'm it's for i'm an adult, so it's for everyone. i the has everyone. i think the movie has so many elements to it that it caters for everyone from a child to an adult to a young woman who is finding herself and trying to figure out who she is and having women empowering conversations . women empowering conversations. the speech that america , america the speech that america, america ferrera did in the actual movie was phenomenal. i mean , i cried was phenomenal. i mean, i cried so much because i could relate. it was relatable . i think some it was relatable. i think some of these things, it's fantastic i >> -- >> you know, when you literally said at the beginning that this is reality women go is the reality that women go through. and think, through. it is. and i think, yeah, were certain yeah, there were certain elements agree . you know, the elements i agree. you know, the speech referring to speech that she's referring to is referring to is where she said hard to be is referring to is where she siwoman.1ard to be is referring to is where she siwoman. you to be is referring to is where she siwoman. you don't to beto a woman. you don't know how to navigate same navigate. but at the same time, when sit down with men and when you sit down with men and any disagree with me any of you can disagree with me that sometimes us that are men that sometimes us as women, we place these pressures on ourselves. so, for example , with barbie saying, you example, with barbie saying, you know, have the perfect know, i don't have the perfect makeup, the perfect makeup, i don't have the perfect body, i don't that.

body, i don't have that. but when down with men when i sit down with the men in my like a bit of my family, they like a bit of roles. a bit of, roles. they like a bit of, you know, don't know, cellulite. they don't care about loads of makeup. it's us that put these pressures and one second and it's the same on themselves. it's the same when i speak to girls, it's like, you know, toilets, know, when we're in the toilets, oh, if is oh, i don't know if this is right. when men right. that's right. when men don't you've don't even notice if you've got a line . a new lip line. >> that to precious, >> let's put that to precious, though. the case though. is that the case that women pressure on women do put that pressure on themselves? is themselves? but even if it is themselves? but even if it is the case, what is that? barbie's fault? it's not barbie's fault . fault? it's not barbie's fault. >> i mean, at the of the day >> i mean, at the end of the day , she's just herself. , she's just being herself. she is a she's a character , right. is a she's a character, right. so we can't blame a character for that. we've all just kind of looked to as the fault of our insecurities . and at the end of insecurities. and at the end of the day, the movie concept is also saying women should be able to accept them for who they are. there scene in the movie there was a scene in the movie where barbie was sitting with an older woman and she basically said, look beautiful . and said, you look so beautiful. and the woman said, i know. so this is the reason we have to start telling women that, okay, yes, we like to look fabulous we

we like to look fabulous and we like up and we like to like to dress up and we like to look it's you don't. >> would you say, lynn, that there to what there is anything to what pressure a pressure says that there is a positive behind this? positive message behind this? >> like >> 100% positive? well, like i said, i'm going say there said, i'm not going to say there was no positive takeaways there were like i said in the speech, sometimes it is difficult to navigate it comes to women. navigate when it comes to women. >> be able to >> we're expected to be able to be is be the superwomen. but this is what actually was negative about the movie that in barbie land , the movie that in barbie land, all the women were leaders and, you know, politicians and i don't think that's a president barbie. >> that was amazing. >> that was amazing. >> no, but i actually don't think that's a reality. i know loads of women as well that they have gone so hard in terms of their career and now they're quite lonely . rac can i ask, you quite lonely. rac can i ask, you know, was it case that the know, was it the case that the filmmakers felt they had to address these kinds of issues relating to the patriarchy? >> the barbie doll has >> because the barbie doll has been controversial for been kind of controversial for a while. a lot of feminists have said it's not appropriate to give impossible all body give this impossible all body image to children. and that kind of twists young, young girls

expectations of what they're meant to be. do you think there's anything to that? >> then okay, are >> but then it's like, okay, are we going to the pictures, to the cinema to watch movies? because we're trying to escape reality where wrong with where there's nothing wrong with that? to going watch that? or are we to going watch movies to kind of be movies now to kind of be preached to and told this is how life should be and i don't think that's right either, unless we scrap , maybe we should all scrap, maybe we should scrap all disney, we should scrap scrap, maybe we should scrap all disthings we should scrap scrap, maybe we should scrap all disthings are should scrap scrap, maybe we should scrap all disthings are unrealistipr all things that are unrealistic and take complete fantasy and take away complete fantasy and take away complete fantasy and entertainment. >> about precious? >> what about you, precious? do you do you think there is any do you understand concerns understand feminist concerns when it comes to the impossible beauty standards that they feel that barbie represents? >> obviously >> well, i think that obviously the barbie itself is adapt as well. always look well. she doesn't always look tall, a waistline and tall, slim with a waistline and big boobs. they've had adapted the barbie as the doll if the barbie itself as the doll if you've noticed to more full figured women voluptuous women, curvy women. they have adapted the barbie so it's actually it's grown since it's been you know the woman that actually invented it has created the barbie until now . so at the end of the day, now. so at the end of the day, every woman can look barbie

every woman can look at a barbie and kind of relate and say that they kind of relate to it's changed. to it. now that it's changed. but we can't as i said, like it's like young boy looking up it's like a young boy looking up to a footballer. at end of to a footballer. at the end of the you blame the the day, you can't blame the footballer being a star footballer for him being a star and being amazing person and being this amazing person and being this amazing person and that child not being able to be a footballer. still be a footballer. he still can actually to him as actually look to him as an inspiration . but you can't inspiration. but you can't always you want to be. always be who you want to be. it's not reality. >> mention the male >> now that you mention the male role models, lot of criticism role models, a lot of criticism that i've seen of the barbie film that it's quite anti film is that it's quite anti men. think there's men. do you think there's anything in that? >> that there was some >> i think that there was some parts where ken probably was seen as somebody very emotional. like you said before . but i like you said before. but i think at the end of the day, we have of have to show the sweet side of men and men aren't always going to be this macho person. at to be this macho person. and at the of the day, it's a it's the end of the day, it's a it's a film. >> i never saw ken as macho , to >> i never saw ken as macho, to be honest. really, nothing about him. >> i think probably his fashion didn't show that right. but but >> i think probably his fashion dthinkshow that right. but but >> i think probably his fashion dthink atyw that right. but but >> i think probably his fashion dthink at the1at right. but but >> i think probably his fashion dthink at the end ght. but but >> i think probably his fashion dthink at the end oft. but but >> i think probably his fashion dthink at the end of the jt but >> i think probably his fashion dthink at the end of the day,t i think at the end of the day, we have to concerned ordering we have to be concerned ordering who is watching i said , who is watching it. as i said, children watching. they who is watching it. as i said, childrwant watching. they who is watching it. as i said, childrwant vyputiing. they who is watching it. as i said, childrwant vyput that they

don't want to put that perception children as it perception in. children as it is. they go to school and it's so much harder now. so much harder for them now. i think there's much on think there's so much relying on who and what they're who they are and what they're going and when they grow going to be and when they grow up, be. and do up, who they want to be. and do you think that a film you think that this is a film that boys watch, as in, that boys could watch, as in, you know, children and they would it ? would enjoy it? >> think personally, >> or do they think personally, if a son some if i had a son or some of the younger in my family, younger boys in my family, i would want them watch younger boys in my family, i wou|film want them watch younger boys in my family, i wou|film only|t them watch younger boys in my family, i wou|film only because watch younger boys in my family, i wou|film only because i,natch that film only because i, i believe that i do think that men should be the backbone of society it to society when it comes to protecting a community. if protecting a community. even if you physiologically , you look at physiologically, biologically, say this as biologically, we can say this as much as we want, as no as women. we much as we want. we can say as much as we want. oh, everything. men oh, we can do everything. men no, we can't everything men no, we can't do everything men can women do, can do. and women can't do, and vice . we have our roles to vice versa. we have our roles to play vice versa. we have our roles to play degree that's totally play to a degree that's totally ridiculous . ridiculous. >> that's the whole point of actually being a woman and somebody like yourself, who is a woman strong , has a good woman who's strong, has a good character, and doing your character, and you're doing your thing even say character, and you're doing your thinga even say character, and you're doing your thinga thing even say character, and you're doing your thinga thing ? even say character, and you're doing your thinga thing ? because ven say character, and you're doing your thinga thing ? because it's say such a thing? because it's insane. such a thing? because it's insane . you're saying that there insane. you're saying that there is limitations as a woman that you don't think you're good enough to good enough ?

enough to be good enough? >> no, no, let's let's not. good. >> let's have a final point from you, haven't much time. >> fi ?- >> i just think. yes it's fantastic where we've got in fantastic where we've got to in life, where us as women, can life, where us as women, we can be great roles in society. be these great roles in society. but end of the day, we but at the end of the day, we are to be are supposed to still be the nurturer we are ones are supposed to still be the nugiver we are ones are supposed to still be the nugive birth. are ones are supposed to still be the nugive birth. and are ones are supposed to still be the nugive birth. and i'm ones are supposed to still be the nugive birth. and i'm not ones are supposed to still be the nugive birth. and i'm not going to give birth. and i'm not going to go. >> is still f is still 2023. >> this is still 2023. >> this is still 2023. >> am to go crazy. >> i am not going to go crazy. >> i am not going to go crazy. >> did i go to a machine ? >> did i go to a machine? >> did i go to a machine? >> the reality are not >> the reality is women are not to going be majority the to going be the majority of the builders. they're going on the oil not oil rigs. they're we're not going to that. can say as going to do that. we can say as much do much as we like. we do everything. going to everything. we're not going to be we're talking there's a lot of not to be we're talking there's a lot of willing not to be we're talking there's a lot of willing do not to be we're talking there's a lot of willing do in not to be we're talking there's a lot of willing do in the to be we're talking there's a lot of willing do in the movie.o be we're talking there's a lot of itlling do in the movie.o be we're talking there's a lot of itlling specifies e movie. 0 be we're talking there's a lot of itlling specifies that yvie. o >> it really specifies that when they , see, those they went to reality, see, those jobs were men. if you jobs were taken by men. if you watch the reality part of the movie emasculated men, they completely emasculated men and lynn roles. >> i'm so sorry to interrupt because i'm really enjoying this. barbie was because i'm really enjoying thicontroversial barbie was because i'm really enjoying thi controversial , barbie was because i'm really enjoying thi controversial , but rbie was because i'm really enjoying thi controversial , but we�* was because i'm really enjoying thicontroversial , but we ares because i'm really enjoying thicontroversial , but we are out so controversial, but we are out of . of time. >> we are out barbie time. thanks ever so much to precious mia and lin mei. >> you . and still to come >> thank you. and still to come on free speech nation , the

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welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle, the labour party's chair and shadow equalities secretary anneliese dodds says the party plans to overhaul the gender

recognition act. dodds says the law is outdated and that labour will make it easier for transgender people to transition, but will also defend spaces for biological women and give legal clarity for the providers of single sex services. she also accused the tories of using the issue to try and fire up a culture war and boost their electoral chances . boost their electoral chances. liz so here to discuss the labour plans, i'm delighted to be joined the author and be joined by the author and feminist joan smith. joan, thanks so much forjoining me. >> , given some of the >> now, given some of the treatment for instance , treatment of, for instance, rosie duffield by members the rosie duffield by members of the labour party, in parliament. >> a lot of people will be seeing announcement from seeing this announcement from anneliese dodds and thinking it doesn't true. what doesn't really ring true. what doesn't really ring true. what do it? i suppose do you make of it? i suppose i think that labour's position on this has gone from absolutely terrible quite terrible to not quite so terrible, i suppose is an terrible, which i suppose is an improvement . improvement. >> but and i know a lot of people are saying, you know, politicians are entitled to change minds it's change their minds and it's true. it good people true. and it is good when people look and change look at evidence and change their would say is their minds. what i would say is what took so long. i mean, what took them so long. i mean, i personally have been trying to

talk to keir starmer about this i personally have been trying to talitwo keir starmer about this i personally have been trying to talitwo keir a:armer about this i personally have been trying to talitwo keir a halfar about this i personally have been trying to talitwo keir a halfar abouands for two and a half years, and i'm a member the labour party i'm a member of the labour party as and as well as being a writer, and he's ignored letters from me. i've him face i've actually talked to him face to face and i tried to tell him about the kind of abuse that women in the party have faced . i women in the party have faced. i was at a meeting not far from here in 2020 where women in the labour had gathered to labour party had gathered to talk about the issue in talk about the issue of women in sports and trans identified males competing with women at and it was very close to grenfell tower the actual building and towards and you know, we had to get through a screaming mob to get into the building. towards the end of the event smoke and event we could smell smoke and it trans it turned out that trans activists letting smoke activists were letting smoke bombs outside to make us bombs out off outside to make us think that the building on think that the building was on fire. and this was within sight of grenfell tower. of the ruins of grenfell tower. i this is terrible i mean, this is terrible behaviour. it does feel as though the kind of tactics deployed by trans activists, people turn a blind eye to it. >> i mean, you wrote this week about what happened in scotland last where a woman was last weekend where a woman was punched face and the punched in the face and the perpetrator are just

perpetrator are given just a warning . warning. >> right. w“ >> that's right. yes. and you know what? we've up know what? what we've been up against for a very long time is people saying, oh, it's this this is toxic on both this debate is toxic on both sides. but you know, people like me and prevent the me don't try and prevent the other side speaking . we other side from speaking. we don't say that they don't have a right hold i've right to hold meetings. i've been meetings where we've you been at meetings where we've you know, on international know, i spoke on international women's day. i chaired a meeting know, i spoke on international w(swanseaay. i chaired a meeting know, i spoke on international w(swansea at i chaired a meeting know, i spoke on international w(swansea at the aired a meeting know, i spoke on international w(swansea at the university, eting at swansea at the university, and had to have 12 security and we had to have 12 security guards because was guards because there was a petition saying that we shouldn't to hold the shouldn't be able to hold the meeting on. i mean, our meeting and so on. i mean, our side is not trying to close debate down. >> interesting because >> it's interesting because i saw mp, tweet saw clive lewis, the mp, tweet out that, you know, is out that, you know, there is toxicity sides, but i've toxicity on both sides, but i've never death or rape threats never seen death or rape threats coming feminist to a coming from a feminist to a trans activist. maybe i'm wrong , but i haven't seen that. but i've way i >> -- >> and you see, one of my problems with what labour is doing that they say, i doing now is that they say, i welcome the fact they're welcome the fact that they're dropping self—id. that a that dropping self—id. that is a that is that is progress, yes. but it's taken them a hell a long it's taken them a hell of a long time and i don't think can time and i don't think you can simply an article, give one simply have an article, give one interview wipe out what's

interview and wipe out what's gone gone on for several years. do you think it would helpful do you think it would be helpful if for instance, if keir starmer for instance, said regretted the said that he regretted the treatment of rosie duffield, who had simply raised these concerns treatment of rosie duffield, who had then ly raised these concerns treatment of rosie duffield, who had then wasised these concerns treatment of rosie duffield, who had then was accused.e concerns treatment of rosie duffield, who had then was accused of:oncerns treatment of rosie duffield, who had then was accused of all:erns and then was accused of all sorts things being sorts of horrible things being a transphobe , hateful. transphobe, being hateful. >> starmer was >> and then when starmer was asked about he said yes , but asked about it, he said yes, but she have she she shouldn't have said what she said . said. >> ?- g-i e“ >> yes, exactly. and it's not just it's not just women like rosie. , who's had rosie. you know, who's had an absolutely it's absolutely terrible time. it's the women who have stopped going to party meetings because to labour party meetings because they smeared as they know they'll be smeared as bullies and transphobes and compared to and things like that. a really horrible that. there's a really horrible ideology. has taken hold in the party it's really hostile to party and it's really hostile to women and you know, one speech, one article in the guardian doesn't, doesn't actually solve that and there are that problem. and there are problems still with with the you know what labour's new policy you know what they're saying about are married to about women who are married to men decide to transition men who decide to transition labour keeps calling it the spousal veto. it's simply a delay to say that, you know, you have to consider the woman in the marriage who who after all, married a man and might not want

to be to someone who to be married to someone who now says that is woman. i says that he is a woman. so i don't think labour has completely this through. completely thought this through. but of course, you know, the fact that one of the party which may government next year may be in government next year actually support self—id actually doesn't support self—id anymore. that's a good thing. but they're saying all this stuff , still saying, you know, stuff, still saying, you know, that process is that it's the process is undignified and outdated . i undignified and outdated. i mean, anything that people do , i mean, anything that people do, i mean, anything that people do, i mean to get a sick note, you know, go know, you actually have to go through want to through a process if you want to drive in country, you drive a car in this country, you have to have and pass have to have lessons and pass a test. i mean, you know, the current process doesn't even involve face to face meetings. >> so it's mixed messages from laboun >> so it's mixed messages from labour. in other sort of labour. in other words, sort of saying, know, we're saying, you know, well, we're going the process going to speed up the process for but at the for gender self—id, but at the same time we recognise biological sex. do you think they just absolutely they could just be absolutely clear when it comes you clear when it comes to, you know, no human know, the fact that no human being changed sex? that being has ever changed sex? that would a good wouldn't would be a good start, wouldn't it? to it? yes i think that goes to the heart problem , that heart of the problem, that they're still they're still present in this as though it is actually possible. >> are saying >> i mean, they are saying sex and different, but

and gender are different, but they're absolutely they're not being absolutely clear that somebody who gets a gender recognition certificate still is not the opposite sex. and think that actually has and i think that actually has really messed up the whole the whole debate because there has been a premise labour for been a premise in labour for a long time that it is possible to change sex. and that has led people to make all kinds of assumptions that don't work. and it's affected policy . and, you it's affected policy. and, you know, clearly there are people who have gender dysphoria , but i who have gender dysphoria, but i don't know why labour is now saying there only has to be one doctor to actually say that someone has dysphoria, because at the moment you have to have a doctor and a clinical psychologist . doctor and a clinical psychologist. i'm doctor and a clinical psychologist . i'm not sure what psychologist. i'm not sure what their for that their rationale is for that either surely it's such either because surely it's such a huge step to get to get a certificate saying you're a different gender, to get new certificate saying you're a differcertificate', to get new certificate saying you're a differcertificate , to get new certificate saying you're a differcertificate , saying new certificate saying you're a differcertificate , saying thatn birth certificate, saying that you were born in a sex that you weren't. these huge steps weren't. these are huge steps and surely should be some and surely there should be some kind of gatekeeping process for that. >> why do think that. » why do >> why do you think it has taken so long for labour come so long for labour to come around mean, around to this position? i mean, is kind

is it just simply from a kind of, you know, a sense of compassion , wanting to be compassion, wanting to be treating , not to treating everyone fairly, not to be on the wrong side of history, but they haven't but that they haven't quite understood ? is that understood the issues? is that what understood the issues? is that whtl think could you could >> i think you could you could say 4 or years that say that 4 or 5 years ago, that there lot of, you know, there was a lot of, you know, a sense that these people that people gender dysphoria people with gender dysphoria really are know, they're really are you know, they're having a terrible time and they need supported . what they need to be supported. what they labour didn't think through was the impact of taking that position on women in the party. because have , you know, i'm because you have, you know, i'm sure a lot of people who are trans identified, you just trans identified, you know, just trying on with trying to get on quietly with their is an their lives. but there is an ideology attached this and it ideology attached to this and it is very militant. it is very misogynist. and what's happened is that labour , having not is that labour, having not actually taken clear positions on women's rights, has allowed this to grow within the party. i mean, when i wrote to starmer two and a half years ago, i said and i wrote book called and i wrote a book called misogyny. to him misogyny. i wrote to him and said, seen misogyny said, i have never seen misogyny so overt in the labour party and, you know, i'm still waiting

for a response two and a half years later. >> it sounds so counter intuitive as labour has intuitive insofar as labour has always being intuitive insofar as labour has alwyprogressive being intuitive insofar as labour has alwyprogressive party being intuitive insofar as labour has alwyprogressive party and ing intuitive insofar as labour has alwyprogressive party and yet, the progressive party and yet, you know , on this issue they you know, on this issue they seem to be worse than the tories and i don't think the tories are great be great on this either, to be honest. well, i sometimes imagine can you imagine imagine can you can you imagine interviewing and interviewing barbara castle and saying, barbara, woman saying, barbara, can a woman have a penis? >> mean, you know , >> right. i mean, you know, historically just historically this is just a nonsense , isn't it? yes. but nonsense, isn't it? yes. but i think i think it's been real cowardice in my view. you know, there's a lot of activists, there's a lot of activists, there's lot of people who are there's a lot of people who are pushing line and what pushing this line and what labour has to do now, it has to it has to be firm about the proposals it's making in terms of , but it has to do of policy, but it has to do something which is to say something else which is to say we the impact of our we regret the impact of our previous policy on women in the party and women in the country. women make up half the population. they make a hell population. they make up a hell of a lot of people knock of a lot of the people who knock on the party. on doors in the labour party. and actually need to and i think we actually need to be are welcome in be told that we are welcome in the party. you know, the fact that we believe in biological the party. you know, the fact thatand believe in biological the party. you know, the fact thatand weieve in biological the party. you know, the fact thatand we wantn biological the party. you know, the fact thatand we want single gical the party. you know, the fact thatand we want single sexl sex and we want single sex spaces, that's actually a

perfectly reasonable view. i think most people in the population support that . population would support that. but we been vilified but we have been vilified for years saying so. and think years for saying so. and i think the party needs to recognise its part in allowing that that toxic atmosphere to exist. >> and it's interesting because that that what you've just described precisely what's described is precisely what's absent dodds absent from anneliese dodds article . it felt triumphalist, article. it felt triumphalist, almost the moral almost like we're the moral people, we're the good people, almost like we're the moral peo they've re the good people, almost like we're the moral peo they've re the so od people, almost like we're the moral peo they've re the so wrong ple, almost like we're the moral peo they've re the so wrong for. but they've got it so wrong for so yes. and analysed dodds on >> yes. and analysed dodds on international women's last international women's day last year was woman's had year was on woman's hour and had difficulty answering the question woman and you question what is a woman and you know, starmer himself has said that the reason that they've made this change is that they've seen what's happened in scotland, course has scotland, which of course has been utter been a complete and utter disaster. so i'm still not disaster. yes. so i'm still not convinced it convinced that they're doing it completely out principle. completely out of principle. you know , i think realise that know, i think they realise that they've they've hitched their wagon to an ideology which is which extreme and upsetting which is extreme and upsetting a lot of people. and, you know , a lot of people. and, you know, a bit of contrition from people like anneliese dodds and perhaps an apology to women would be very welcome . very welcome. >> i'm jane smith. thanks very

much joining me. really much forjoining me. really appreciate you . appreciate it. thank you. >> and still to come on free speech nation , we're going to be speech nation, we're going to be talking to the brilliant christopher biggins. talking to the brilliant christopwe're ggins. talking to the brilliant christopwe're gginsgoing to meet >> and we're also going to meet the promoter who >> and we're also going to meet the jailed promoter who >> and we're also going to meet the jailed joking'omoter who >> and we're also going to meet the jailed joking aboutr who >> and we're also going to meet the jailed joking about histo was jailed forjoking about his malay heritage and diane spencer and frances foster will be back next to discuss that fascinating conversation with joan smith. see you shortly .

welcome back. later in the show , i'm going to be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel, diane frances diane spencer and frances foster. we're going to help you deal unfiltered deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. us at dilemmas. so email us at gbviews@gbnews.uk . com and we're gbviews@gbnews.uk. com and we're going to try our best to answer your so i've got diane your issues. so i've got diane and frances back in the room with me now. fran sorry. diane um, can you tell me you just heard joan smith's conversation about . you're someone who

about labour. you're someone who comes from left . i felt that comes from the left. i felt that she a note of she ended on a note of pessimism, actually, that, you know, maybe this is a bit know, that maybe this is a bit cynical. of cynical. it's just because of what do what happened in scotland. do you think that labour can be trusted ? trusted again? >> oh, no. the problem is, sadly, keir , because like joe sadly, keir, because like joe wrote to him, she wrote to him a couple of times and she said, please just respond to my letters. he's not. and if letters. and he's not. and if he's not responding to people within own party, he is within his own party, he but is that is , i that just cowardice, which is, i think, suggesting, think, what she was suggesting, because it's such issue because it's such a toxic issue that that if they that people feel that if they make they're make any statement, they're going to get, you a tonne going to get, you know, a tonne of on. of bricks on. >> want leader , you >> but you want a leader, you want somebody going want somebody who's going to stand and be and cut stand there and be bold and cut through and say, no, i am through it and say, no, i am going stand up for the rights going to stand up for the rights of women. >> i'm not going i'm not >> i'm not going to make i'm not going like cause these going to like cause all these problems. so i'm problems. yeah. and so i'm fortunate he does change with the wind . he really does. the wind. he really does. >> this is why i mentioned the rosie duffield situation, because, you know, if one of your is getting jeered at in

your mps is getting jeered at in parliament by other members of the labour party, that's appalling and the leader doesn't and go to the party and she can't go to the party conference she's had too conference because she's had too many physical many threats of physical violence from extreme activists and he doesn't come out and support her. that's a major omission, isn't it? >> course it is. but that is >> of course it is. but that is the left, as the problem with the left, as a whole, that they're all whole, is that they're all terrified of their side terrified of their own side and they're all terrified of the extremists their own side. extremists in their own side. and them will come out. and none of them will come out. none of will to stand up none of them will to stand up them. of will actually them. none of them will actually say, completely say, look, this is completely unacceptable . and that is just unacceptable. and that is just what . and that's not what happens. and that's not just what happens in the labour party. it happens in the guardian every guardian and it happens in every left wing institution. guardian and it happens in every leftso ng institution. guardian and it happens in every leftso what;titution. guardian and it happens in every leftso what;titlyou . guardian and it happens in every leftso what;titlyou think? keir >> so what do you think? keir starmer almost starmer i think is almost certainly next certainly going to be our next prime is not prime minister. so this is not a good prospect, for these good prospect, is it, for these particular issues anyway? >> a prospect , but >> it's not a good prospect, but to with we get to be honest with you, we get the politicians we deserve and we starmer oh we deserve. keir starmer oh really ? really? >> oh, you don't seem very happy about that. but you know, would you even though of about that. but you know, would y0lthese ven though of about that. but you know, would y0lthese failingngh of about that. but you know, would y0lthese failings ,]h of about that. but you know, would y0lthese failings , it's of all these failings, it's probably better to have keir starmer rishi sunak well, starmer than rishi sunak well, i

mean , at least if we get keir mean, at least if we get keir starmer , the idea is that the starmer, the idea is that the pubuc starmer, the idea is that the public voted for him. >> yes, because let's not forget that the public did not vote for rishi. >> yes. and finally, joan smith's final point, which was a bit of contrition , wouldn't go bit of contrition, wouldn't go amiss if labour said, yeah amiss if labour just said, yeah , we got it wrong. okay that's not going to happen . but that not going to happen. but that would be the solution. when it just admit that got just admit that they got it wrong and then the voters would come yeah then come back. no. yeah but then they they got they would admit that they got it wrong. >> then the nutty activists >> and then the nutty activists on side will have on their own side will have a meltdown and they'll say things like, trans people being like, trans people are being erased and then they'll capitulate. so comes down to fear >> so again comes down to fear of their own party. of members of their own party. but wouldn't it be a bit but wouldn't it be great? a bit of from the people in of humility from the people in charge, humility would charge, a bit of humility would possibly long because possibly go a long way because we have a severe of trust we have a severe lack of trust in the system like our lack of trust in the system, especially me. >> i'd like to say from a woman's point of view is severely eroded. not good . severely eroded. not good. >> okay. well, look, that is the end of our first hour. but please join us the break. end of our first hour. but pleasegoing js the break. end of our first hour. but pleasegoing to the break. we're going to have the

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gb news. >> there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week. and diane spencer, frances foster and i are about to answer some our some more questions from our wonderful studio audience. but let's get the news headlines first from tatiana sanchez . first from tatiana sanchez. >> andrew, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. former home secretary dame priti patel has told gb news the government

needs to clamp down on leftie lawyers to stop illegal migration. she says the attorney general and lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave . that says the firms behave. that says the number of channel crossings continues to climb with more than 14,700 people intercepted in small boats so far this year. dame pretty warns the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill >> we need a deterrent factor for a start and removals and returns. my rwanda plan was central to that. the returns agreements that i have put in place and others are now putting in place. we have to get planes leaving the country and show that if you come here illegally , you can't just get a free pass being firm is actually the stance that we should take, and that removing people and that means removing people and returning to other third returning people to other third countries or country of origin in the energy and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage rao grant shapps told the sun the problem

stems from being a politically exposed person , and he accused exposed person, and he accused the banks of going too far when it comes. >> as mr farage launched a new website to people who , like website to help people who, like him, have had their bank accounts forcibly closed. the gb news presenter says a thousand accounts are being shut every day. >> what i've learned in the three weeks since i came out, as it were , i've just been it were, i've just been inundated by small businesses , inundated by small businesses, by folk all around the country , by folk all around the country, people in absolute fear. terror lies is being ruined. thousands of businesses are being closed and finally, the prime minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods. >> the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas , has been seen by some as areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists. in an interview with the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports people's right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. shadow international trade secretary

nick thomas simmons says the prime minister should leave the decision to areas . decision to local areas. >> our position is that it is for communities to make these decisions , whether it is in decisions, whether it is in terms of low traffic neighbourhoods where by the way , there are communities up and down the country . we want to down the country. we want to reduce traffic going through their neighbourhoods, whether it is in terms of, you know, clean air zones. we've talked obviously specifically about ulez, . we certainly believe ulez, us. we certainly believe a well—planned and low traffic neighbourhood is a good thing . neighbourhood is a good thing. >> you're up to date on gb news now it's over to andrew and free speech nation . speech nation. >> welcome back to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle. let's get some more audience questions. we've got a question from where vaughan ? from vaughan. where is vaughan? hi, vaughan. from vaughan. where is vaughan? hi, vaqu|an. from vaughan. where is vaughan? hi, vaqu labour get elected, >> hi. if labour get elected, should they impose a sugar tax?

>> yes. so there's a bit of a split in the party on this one, whether should sugar whether they should have a sugar tax they get in, well, they tax if they get in, well, they will they ? i mean, will get in, won't they? i mean, it's whole will get in, won't they? i mean, it's tax whole will get in, won't they? i mean, it's tax thing whole will get in, won't they? i mean, it's tax thing , whole will get in, won't they? i mean, it's tax thing , francis, rhole sugar tax thing, francis, because think these kind because i often think these kind of up of measures always end up affecting people affecting working class people the the lower cost the most. it's the lower cost sugary foods that get these sort of things. do you think that's right ? right? >> no, no, i don't think it's right. what right. i think actually what we need education so that need is better education so that people can actually understand that the food that they're putting their not putting in their bodies is not good them . yes. just puts good for them. yes. just puts whacking tax on these whacking extra tax on these foods, which is disproportionately consumed by working class people, isn't going to help matters, particularly when we're in the middle of of living crisis. >> and people do resent it. so in they put these in scotland, when they put these taxes drinks and taxes on sugary drinks and irn—bru suddenly producing irn—bru suddenly were producing a lower sugar version , scottish a lower sugar version, scottish people were going and buying cointreau band. irn—bru you know, the sort of from under the counter like there was a black market old school, sugary market of old school, sugary irn—bru. so i think people will find , won't they? find a way, won't they? >> people nature does find a way. but this i agree

way. it does. but this i agree completely with what francis just said. i think it's a lack of education. we've already got a lot of information on food packets, which i think is brilliant. we've got calorie counts, we've got the traffic light system . so you can tell if light system. so you can tell if it's, you know, high in sugar or fats you've got to fats or salts and you've got to let people make own let people make their own choices . choices. >> and for me, find it a >> and for me, that i find it a bit much. no, i think i've been berated for what you're going eat. >> no , not at all. >> no, not at all. >> no, not at all. >> it's absolutely >> i think it's absolutely brilliant can brilliant because it means i can make decision . but make an informed decision. but that's know what the that's because i know what the calorie count is for a woman of my height who does my amount of exercise. >> and you are a fudge maker. >> and you are a fudge maker. >> i making fudge. i'm a big. >> so you're not against sugar per se? no. >> seems awful to me that >> and it seems awful to me that they impose a sugar tax they might impose a sugar tax because obviously they're going to the soft drinks to put it into the soft drinks and they say, oh, we'll tax the sugarin and they say, oh, we'll tax the sugar in the drinks. and they say, oh, we'll tax the sugar in the drinks . what's sugar in the soft drinks. what's going taxing going to stop them from taxing the actual confectioners and the amount of sugar that they use? yeah, because the libertarian would a nanny would say this is like a nanny state isn't it? state intervention, isn't it? >> decide what

>> just let people decide what they don't you they want to buy. don't you know, affect company that know, affect the company so that they to change their they have to change their recipes? yes recipes? in other words. yes >> look, and it's >> you know, and look, and it's also for labour also a way for labour to generate . let's not generate revenue. let's not ignore as well . yeah. so ignore this as well. yeah. so they want to generate more revenue because they want a bigger state because they're revenue because they want a biggwing.te because they're revenue because they want a biggwing.te besouse they're revenue because they want a biggwing. te beso they hey're revenue because they want a biggwing. te beso they want left wing. and so they want pubuc left wing. and so they want public services . i mean, but public services. i mean, but that's just what left wing ish , that's just what left wing ish, left wing ish, right? so what's one way of doing that? it's to do this. okay. >> well, going move >> well, we're going to move on now from john. now to a question from john. where john? hi, john. now to a question from john. whyhi. john? hi, john. now to a question from john. whyhi. there]? hi, john. now to a question from john. whyhi. there was , john. now to a question from john. whyhi. there was colonisation >> hi. there was colonisation the luckiest thing to happen to australia? >> yeah . so the former >> yeah. so the former australian prime minister, john howard, he says colonialism was the luckiest thing to have happened to his nation. and this has obviously, as you can imagine, upset quite a few people. i it feels irrespective of what you think about this, it's quite a gauche thing to say, it? it's quite a gauche thing to say it's it? it's quite a gauche thing to say it's quite yes, it quite >> it's quite yes, it is quite a ghost thing to say, but really ghost thing to say, but i really dislike the way that we have these conversations because they're ahistorical. they're complete ahistorical. right right. so we talk, for

instance, about the transatlantic slave trade , which transatlantic slave trade, which is, of course, terrible and awful . but we don't talk about awful. but we don't talk about the slave trade, the trans—saharan slave trade, which worse, was for which was worse, which was for the ottoman empire. yes. right. which was worse, which was for thewetoman empire. yes. right. which was worse, which was for thewe don'ti empire. yes. right. which was worse, which was for thewe don't talk)ire. yes. right. which was worse, which was for thewe don't talk aboutes. right. which was worse, which was for thewe don't talk about this. ght. which was worse, which was for thewe don't talk about this. so. so we don't talk about this. so we talk about the british empire. we talk the empire. we don't talk about the spanish empire. we don't talk about the spébut| with you >> but then with australia, you know , i think the why know, i think the reason why he's upset so many people, of course indigenous course there were indigenous people australia who people in australia who won't feel british turning up feel that the british turning up or sending their prisoners over there in world. >> course of course not. >> of course not. of course not. and a to say and they've got a right to say that. a ridiculous and they've got a right to say that. to a ridiculous and they've got a right to say that. to say a ridiculous and they've got a right to say that. to say. a ridiculous and they've got a right to say that. to say. but diculous and they've got a right to say that. to say. but everyyus and they've got a right to say that. to say . but every side of thing to say. but every side of this discussion is ridiculous because nobody understands history. and we haven't been taught it properly. so we have ridiculous . ridiculous conversation. >> yeah, because, i mean, his statement too statement doesn't sound too nuanced either, especially nuanced to me either, especially when australian when he's done an australian accent, yeah . and then you're >> oh, yeah. and then you're like, whoa . like, whoa, whoa. >> nothing in accent >> nothing in that accent is nuanced. >> wow yeah. that >> yeah. wow yeah. that statement was it nuanced either? >> not at all. >> not at all. >> not at all. >> no . >> no. >> no. >> clang . >> clang. >> clang. >> um, i mean, the context of this, is that a referendum is coming up, which they're calling

the voice referendum. and i didn't know about this. it's the first chance that they might change australia's constitution in 46 years and it's going to give more rights to the indigenous peoples. the first peoples of australia . and of peoples of australia. and of course as sort of you know, as we had with the brexit referendum or as it's coming to that point where people have to vote, a lot of vote, there's a lot of information going out and some of it been spiralling out of of it has been spiralling out of control and this kind of these statements from the former prime minister who has been responsible for a lot of controversial acts against the indigenous peoples is just another one of these kind of flare ups in this whole arc. >> yeah, i mean, again, of flare ups in this whole arc. >> yevery mean, again, of flare ups in this whole arc. >> yevery sensitivejain, of flare ups in this whole arc. >> yevery sensitivejain, that these very sensitive issues that requires serious discussion and debate soundbites. debate rather than soundbites. >> sound bored. you're >> you sound so bored. you're like oh yes, everybody >> you sound so bored. you're likbe oh yes, everybody >> you sound so bored. you're likbe serious yes, everybody >> you sound so bored. you're likbe serious again.everybody to be serious again. >> and i think it's a serious topic , diane. it serious. topic, diane. it is serious. >> can't be frivolous the >> it can't be frivolous all the time . let's see if we've got time. let's see if we've got a frivolous question next. we've got who's chris? got one from chris. who's chris? hi should ban cook at home >> should we ban cook at home meal deals? yeah cook at home meal. >> that's more like it. so,

look, no , this was a cross—party look, no, this was a cross—party committee of mps. the environment, food and rural affairs committee. they've said cook at home meal deals should be banned because they're worried about obviously junk food and these kind of promotions , these and these kind promotions, these and these kind of meal deals have honest of meal deals have to be honest . isn't it? when of meal deals have to be honest . go isn't it? when of meal deals have to be honest . go a isn't it? when of meal deals have to be honest . go a supermarkechen you go to a supermarket and you can one can get one of those and one of those those and those and one of those nice and cheap, bosh. >> e"- e"— @ exactly . and so they >> yeah, exactly. and so they want to something about them. want to do something about them. the problem is and again , i find the problem is and again, i find myself repeating this, it's about education. if you teach people what is healthy, what is unhealthy, don't we know that? >> i mean, we that these that? >> iof ean, we that these that? >> iof cookwe that these that? >> iof cookwe home that these sort of cook at home things aren't we eat sort of cook at home things aren'tanyway. we eat them anyway. >> no, most people don't. we're not school not taught about it in school just we're not just the same way we're not taught credit taught about finance or credit cards or any of stuff. the cards or any of this stuff. the stuff matters . we don't stuff that matters. we don't teach want teach people because we want them be sheep. them to be sheep. >> i think that, again, a little bit of education, definitely, but also what about choice ? s but also what about choice? s like i'm not do you like a cook at home? >> i love a cook at home meal. >> yeah. and you know what? i am

not going spend time learning not going to spend time learning how create perfect crispy how to create the perfect crispy beef chicken. chinese meal all the time. >> who's got the time? >> who's got the time? >> buy it. and it tastes amazing . exactly. and like, why do i need learn how to cook need to learn how to cook everything? can't i buy, everything? why can't i buy, like, jamaican chicken ? like, a jerk jamaican chicken? >> and you don't have to do the washing in washing up because it comes in a plastic dish and that plastic dish and all that sort. yeah, off a plate. plastic dish and all that sort. yeaandrewoff a plate. plastic dish and all that sort. yeaandrewoff a fright. sorry >> andrew okay. right. sorry i mean, think i live? mean, how do you think i live? well, that's way i live . well, that's the way i live. >> i'm an animal. all >> i'm like an animal. all right. so we're going to move on to question from where right. so we're going to move on to karen stion from where right. so we're going to move on to karen ?ion from where right. so we're going to move on to karen ? hello?n where is karen? hello? >> is donald trump running for president just to stay out of prison ? yes. prison? yes. >> so he's actually said now, this is i love this. >> donald trump has said that if even if he does get sentenced , even if he does get sentenced, he will still run. apparently there's no rule against that. i i had no idea that that was the case. but this can't be. but okay, look , francis, now i know okay, look, francis, now i know about this thing about the classified documents, although apparently it is confirmed that joe took classified

joe biden also took classified documents and hillary and hillary. so is this just something do like me something that people do like me taking work , taking a mug home from work, which do, which i definitely don't do, by the we've seen your the way, we've we've seen your gb . gb news mugs. >> i know what we're talking about here is actually something far more profound because what they've , the democrats is they've done, the democrats is they've done, the democrats is they've after trump and they've gone after trump and basically attacked him on every single thing that he's done wrong . yeah. now, i'm not saying wrong. yeah. now, i'm not saying that trump is somebody who is a paragon of virtue. we all know he's not. but but what it is , is he's not. but but what it is, is thatis he's not. but but what it is, is that is fundamentally biased because no other president, they've gone after in this manner. so what they've done is they've made trump into a victim figure and they've galvanised his base. >> so that's interesting. >> so that's really interesting. if this whole court case, are you is actually you suggesting is actually helping yes even in terms helping him? yes even in terms of running for the president again, absolutely. >> dissenters can't even go anywhere trump . desantis anywhere near trump. desantis has been a complete and he has been a complete flop and he was, you know, the hyped was, you know, the most hyped candidate in the primaries. and was, you know, the most hyped carcan'te in the primaries. and was, you know, the most hyped carcan't lay the primaries. and was, you know, the most hyped carcan't lay a1e primaries. and was, you know, the most hyped carcan't lay a glovenaries. and was, you know, the most hyped carcan't lay a glove ones. and he can't lay a glove on. >> but it just seems mad , the >> but it just seems so mad, the idea someone could for idea that someone could run for president prison, you

president from prison, why you could a youtube channel, could have a youtube channel, you can have pen pals. >> why can't you run a country from it's an office from prison? it's just an office just with maybe less nice cars. but no. >> em— >> do you run your campaign? do you get a phone? >> do you run your campaign? do youyou get a phone? >> do you run your campaign? do youyou don'tet a phone? >> do you run your campaign? do youyou don't actually|e? >> do you run your campaign? do youyou don't actually run a >> you don't actually run a campaign like moving around the place. you be on your phone. >> got people firing phone. >> you. got people firing phone. >> you. gyoueople firing phone. >> you. gyoueopltthemfiring for you. do you give them cigarettes for their cigarettes in return for their work ? work? >> i mean, how is this going to work >> i mean, how is this going to wordefinitely. you know, >> definitely. and you know, also so trump is a master manipulator for as long as he's being talked about, he will spin that something that will that into something that will that into something that will that keep him top . he that will keep him on top. he will take whatever given will take whatever he's given and he'll turn himself the and he'll turn himself into the hero long as he centre hero as long as he is centre stage him being in prison, stage and him being in prison, you more centre stage you can't get more centre stage than that. >> you really play the >> you can really play the martyr status incredibly noble. >> i mean, he's literally breaking historical records. he is setting a new precedent to be precedent . precedent. >> yeah, very good. those are two words that he actually got confused in a tweet once, didn't he? that's very smart. he? so that's that's very smart. and, of course, he plays on the idea that whole there's idea that the whole there's a deep state against him. deep state that are against him. and this of

and of course, this kind of might help people to believe that, okay. we're going to move on from on to a question from cassie. cassie hi, hi. cassie hi, cassie. hi. >> you worried about the >> are you worried about the rise facial recognition technology? >> well, i wasn't cassie, but then that report in the observer came out. >> you're going to mention about terminator again, mike well, you know, going to get there. >> don't tempt me . well, they do >> don't tempt me. well, they do have facial have incredible facial recognition. it doesn't matter. but you know, so this report this week in the observer was talking about the home office officials, and basically officials, and they're basically planning to encourage facial recognition technology to be rolled out into shops, into supermarkets on the high street . so you can be seen absolutely everywhere. and i suppose this is shoplifting, but this is about shoplifting, but this confused me because i know someone who has a lifetime banned certain for banned from a certain chain for shoplifting . he caught shoplifting. and he was caught because they already have facial recognition mission. and he was doing it multiple times and it just in the crowd. just spotted him in the crowd. >> is this about you know, a friend of mine, i thought it was lewis, a friend of my tie. yeah. yeah you've got me. >> yeah. no it's not me. but.

but so i think it's already there. but the idea that that should be rolled out, i hate the idea of just being watched by these. everywhere i >> -- >> again, it is alarming because essentially it will be run by a human being and there will be a database and it's not like it's going to be necessary be fairly done, because what if somebody breaks up with you and you go, right, i'm going to make sure you can't come into any shop that i work for. and they slap your photo onto the database , your photo onto the database, which means every time you walk into , all the alarms go into a shop, all the alarms go off. it's i want to upset >> so it's i want to upset you. >> so it's i want to upset you. >> mean . >> i mean. >> i mean. >> exactly. it's open to exploitation. >> what if my twin brother takes up shoplifting ? i won't be able up shoplifting? i won't be able to go anywhere. yes >> and do you have a twin brother? no, but it doesn't matter, principle . that's >> that's the principle. that's the argument. >> an excellent point , >> that is an excellent point, because like i've been because i've like when i've been i'm so sorry, francis. >> it's cool. i'm so sorry, francis. >> but it's cool. i'm so sorry, francis. >> but i'ves cool. i'm so sorry, francis. >> but i've been, like, >> but when i've been, like, gone for auditions and they want a i walk into the room a red head, i walk into the room and there's 48 women who look

identical to me. so if one of them goes a shoplifter spree them goes on a shoplifter spree and the as her, and i look the same as her, there's going to be 47 women who are nicked. there's going to be 47 women who are also, nicked. there's going to be 47 women who are also, there'snicked. there's going to be 47 women who are also, there's something just there's going to be 47 women who ajust so, there's something just there's going to be 47 women who ajust so, there'ideanething just there's going to be 47 women who ajust so, there'idea ofthing just i just hate the idea of cameras being absolutely everywhere. i know studio , but know i work in a tv studio, but like in like generally speaking, out in public, i it just makes me just i find it creepy, basically. >> the problem is well >> well, the problem is as well is not know what is that you do not know what they're doing with these digital images face. so, images of your face. so, for example, you example, in america, when you have to get access certain have to get access to certain buildings, literally a buildings, they literally take a scan but is scan of your face. but what is happening data? happening to that data? is it then being packaged up sold then being packaged up and sold to insurance companies, for example , so that when you apply example, so that when you apply for 20 years down the for insurance 20 years down the line technology is line and gene technology is getting better, they'll be able to you they'll to refuse you because they'll be saying things like, well, no, because it turns out because actually it turns out you predisposition for you have a predisposition for a neurodegenerative condition which came up in your facial scan. wow >> wow. that's that's a lot to take in. >> and i thought terminator was complicated. look we're going to go still to go to a break now, but still to come nation, come on free speech nation, we're speaking to we're going to be speaking to the rizal gazel , the comedian rizal van gazel, who found himself jailed in malaysia for telling jokes about

his heritage . see you very his malay heritage. see you very shortly .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so once named the future of malaysian comedy, rizal van gazel has gone on to forge a brilliant career as both a stand up and a comedy promoter. brilliant career as both a stand up and a comedy promoter . and up and a comedy promoter. and among his many achievements was the setting up of the crack among his many achievements was the setcomedyof the crack among his many achievements was the setcomedy cluba crack among his many achievements was the setcomedy club , crack among his many achievements was the setcomedy club , which became house comedy club, which became the premier venue stand—up the premier venue for stand—up in malaysia. however, having made jokes about his malay heritage , rizal found himself heritage, rizal found himself jailed , having been investigated jailed, having been investigated for sedition at first and later charged with the misuse of mobile networks . charged with the misuse of mobile networks. i'm charged with the misuse of mobile networks . i'm delighted mobile networks. i'm delighted to say that rizal van gazel joins me now . rizal, thank you joins me now. rizal, thank you so much for coming on the show. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> this incredible >> so this is an incredible story. you'll to story. i think you'll have to explain to everyone what happened. comedy happened. this is your comedy club kuala lumpur. club in in kuala lumpur. >> were >> that's right. so we were running for eight years. fine. >> that's right. so we were run had for eight years. fine. >> that's right. so we were run had we eight years. fine. >> that's right. so we were run had we even years. fine. >> that's right. so we were run had we even hadrs. fine.

>> that's right. so we were run had we even had somee. >> that's right. so we were run had we even had some of the we had we even had some of the best from the uk come best acts from the uk come through. very lucky. through. we were very lucky. they agents and we they had terrible agents and we had one fateful open mic night where a lady who was signed up for open mic, she had a different agenda. no different agenda. she had no intention be funny intention to to be be funny or to . she, she, she to do comedy. she, she, she donned a hijab, a headscarf. to do comedy. she, she, she donned a hijab, a headscarf . she donned a hijab, a headscarf. she introduced herself as a muslim, said she memorised chapters from the quran and then she removed her which really her clothes, which was really bizarre because i was the bizarre because i was in the back which chapters is back wondering which chapters is this? heard this? you know, i've never heard of this before. >> own edition. >> she's got her own edition. >> she's got her own edition. >> got her set up, >> yeah. so she got her set up, recorded and uploaded online and that just sparked outrage throughout the conservatives in malaysia . and for the first malaysia. and for the first time, we became popular. >> so just to be clear , this as >> so just to be clear, this as an open mic night, anyone can come along and do a set, do their own thing. absolutely. sometimes it's difficult to tell if to be funny or if they're trying to be funny or not quite not because they can be quite bad.the not because they can be quite bad. the mic and bad. the open mic nights and this this girl came along and she agenda like she she had her own agenda like she had agenda. had her own agenda. >> know mean, even the >> we not know. i mean, even the police who investigated me, they asked me like, did you not did

you not audition her? i'm like the open mic is the audition. yeah, exactly . that's no. yeah, exactly. that's no. >> let's have a quick look >> well, let's have a quick look at what i think at what she did. i think we've got the i have to relive the trauma . trauma. >> hello . hello. good . >> hello. hello. good. >> hello. hello. good. >> so it looks like it could have been maybe a feminist statement because she's wearing sort of western skimpy clothes underneath the hijab . but maybe underneath the hijab. but maybe she was trying be funny . she was trying to be funny. maybe she going shock she was trying to be funny. mayb she was going for shock value . was looking . she she definitely was looking for attention. yes. now, you for attention. yes. now, if you looked at caption is written looked at the caption is written in malay, it says ihra mahina islam. it means an event to inqu islam. it means an event to insult islam . so that really insult islam. so that really gave the narrative to what she was doing. >> did she put that message on?

she did not know someone else thinks that this insulting thinks that this was insulting to islam. yes. okay. and of course, if you're a conservative islamic person in malaysia, you might take the same view. yes. >> you did not know >> and you you did not know that. in context of that. it was in the context of a comedy show or an mic night comedy show or an open mic night .even comedy show or an open mic night . even generally speaking . . even generally speaking. >> then in malaysia, would you say good say that there's a pretty good freedom comes freedom of speech when it comes to ? you know, to comedy? you know, that anything within anything goes on stage within the four walls of a show within the four walls of a show within the context of in a show in front of people to front of people who come to enjoy comedy. >> yes. but online it has proven that it doesn't work . that it doesn't work. >> so that's the problem is when someone it and gets out >> so that's the problem is when someyand it and gets out >> so that's the problem is when someyand then it and gets out >> so that's the problem is when someyand then i: and gets out >> so that's the problem is when someyand then i see. gets out >> so that's the problem is when someyand then i see. andzts out >> so that's the problem is when someyand then i see. and so out >> so that's the problem is when someyand then i see. and so you there and then i see. and so you yourself , there and then i see. and so you yourself, you were arrested. i was arrested because i was the one they found out i was the owner of the place and i have a western surname. owner of the place and i have a wezlfern surname. owner of the place and i have a wezlfern s haven't noticed, my >> if you haven't noticed, my surname is dutch because my father of dutch father comes. he's of dutch heritage. yes. and so they pegged heritage. yes. and so they pegged me as a person that was spreading western liberalism. oh so you're quite subversive or that's what their view was.

>> i have no idea what that means. >> andrew. okay, but . and so >> andrew. okay, but. and so well against the state or against the status quo or are there you go. yeah. so, so , so there you go. yeah. so, so, so they pegged the owner and they pegged me as the owner and then they, they saw that, oh, he's comedian they he's a comedian as well. they dug content and my dug up my content and my content. about my muslim content. i talk about my muslim heritage and my malay heritage and. yes. and they didn't because like i said, they fed into the narrative . yes, they into the narrative. yes, they didn't they didn't at all. see the irony or the sarcasm that i was bringing. i'm like, well, at least to her, mine is least compared to her, mine is actually but you actually funny. yeah but you were telling jokes which they took at face value and they took at value. at face value. >> and you're just talking >> so and you're just talking about heritage and about your muslim heritage and they took this what, being they took this as what, being blasphemous or something like that. >> e- that. >> being treacherous, >> being being treacherous, being ungrateful would be one of the words . the words. >> but ingratitude isn't against the , is it? the law, is it? >> not. but they they >> it's not. but they they pegged >> it's not. but they they pegged me as somebody that was trying to incite racial disharmony . disharmony. >> so what's happened now with crackdown comedy club ? is it crackdown comedy club? is it still and running? still up and running? >> the house comedy club

still up and running? >> been the house comedy club still up and running? >> been shutiouse comedy club still up and running? >> been shut down comedy club still up and running? >> been shut down andzdy club still up and running? >> been shut down and we club still up and running? >> been shut down and we have has been shut down and we have no intention to reopen it. however for i should say that the comedy scene has actually flourished ever since this has happened. really? yeah. >> people know about it. >> so more people know about it. >> so more people know about it. >> were. >> yeah. so we were. we were sacrificed lamb something bigger. >> but did the authorities insist that the comedy club be shut down? is that why that happened? >> they didn't just insist they took action it. they revoked took action on it. they revoked our they revoked our our licence. they revoked our licence. they had the place taped up and people came. a few people came to vandalise the place and it got really serious. i was getting i was getting threats towards my family and such. really? >> yeah, all over jokes . >> yeah, all over jokes. >> yeah, all over jokes. >> all over jokes. >> all over jokes. >> and how does that feel ? i >> and how does that feel? i mean, also spend mean, do you actually also spend a night prison over a night in a prison cell over this ? i mean, at point, this? i mean, at some point, were you're not thinking, this is know, idea is surreal. you know, the idea that jokes a that i should tell jokes on a stage and i'm ending up behind bars. >> yes . well, it was only one >> yes. well, it was only one night okay. i enjoyed night and it was okay. i enjoyed a short break from my children , a short break from my children, but it was at the point. yeah, it was quite surreal. i was like, oh, this. and was like, oh, this. and i was sitting in cell thinking

sitting in my cell thinking to myself, be myself, oh, this is going to be great for my career. i'm great for my career. now i'm going to be selling out shows the the whole malaysia. going to be selling out shows the it the whole malaysia. going to be selling out shows the it hasthe whole malaysia. going to be selling out shows the it has done hole malaysia. going to be selling out shows the it has done me; malaysia. going to be selling out shows the it has done me goodialaysia. going to be selling out shows the it has done me good inaysia. going to be selling out shows the it has done me good in that. and it has done me good in that sense. well you've definitely got something about. got something to talk about. >> i that's awful >> yes, i mean, that's the awful thing comedians is that thing about comedians is that when to when terrible things happen to us, are thinking, us, part of us are thinking, yeah, about this yeah, but i can talk about this on makes it okay. >> that's what the comedians in malaysia are like. family and friends are like, are you okay? are right ? let us are you doing all right? let us know help you. know if we can help you. comedians were did comedians were like, did you write this? and write material about this? and like, it's terrible, really. >> but, you know, it's still i mean, it's all it's your experience and of course, you've got right to make got every right to make jokes about but about it and everything. but from we from our like, hearing this, we think this is mad. had think this is mad. we had a situation this country where situation in this country where the investigated the police investigated a comedian jo brand comedian called jo brand over a joke. told on the radio and joke. she told on the radio and people shocked at the mere people were shocked at the mere idea police investigating idea of the police investigating . but had she the in . but had she spent the night in the cell, that would have been just major news. the cell, that would have been justabsolutely. s. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> did people react >> i mean, how did people react in to was was it in malaysia to this was was it considered there anyone considered was there anyone supporting you? >> a lot of support >> we had i had a lot of support , obviously, online. nobody

dared to support because , you dared to support me because, you know, but there were most of the conservatives i would say they were they knew it was coming and that they said that what happened, what that girl did was a good thing in the sense that it led the knowledge such it led to the knowledge of such a place ever existing in malaysia. >> but then now what's to stop you setting up another comedy club or do you that's just club or do you think that's just too all. could >> nothing at all. i could there's actually there is a comedy currently running comedy club currently running now. place up. now. another place is opened up. like , comedy like i said, the comedy has flourished. i just don't flourished. yes i just don't want to take the time to do it anymore because that honesty has held back years. was held me back eight years. i was looking everybody else's looking after everybody else's career. and now can my career. yeah and now i can do my own. happened , i own. had it not happened, i wouldn't be here doing the fringe . fringe. >> interesting. you've >> so that's interesting. you've written this and written a show about this and you're the you're taking it to the edinburgh the edinburgh fringe. it's the perfect do the show edinburgh fringe. it's the pecalled do the show edinburgh fringe. it's the pecalled arrested.» the show edinburgh fringe. it's the pecalled arrested.» “which ow is called arrested. yes, which is called arrested. yes, which is the perfect title. self—explanatory. self—expansion theory. and you're going to be there for the whole month for there for the whole month for the ever the whole month. have you ever done ? done edinburgh before? >> never. >> emma em- >> so this will be quite an experience. >> culture >> i will be culture shocked. >> i will be culture shocked. >> . i think you >> yeah, i think. i think you will i think also the will be. but i think also the people show people coming to see the show

are surprised by are going to be so surprised by the by fact that this the story, by the fact that this could . could happen. >> i hope so. >> i hope so. >> but but know , if >> yeah. but but you know, if you then all you can make it funny, then all power to you. >> best thing. and >> that's the best thing. and what i love stand—up what i love about stand—up is when something when you can take something tragic and turn it into into something . however, the something funny. however, in the upbringing , in the asian upbringing, in the asian upbringing, in the asian upbringing malaysian upbringing of the malaysian upbringing, or maybe the asian upbringing, or maybe the asian upbringing to upbringing is we're not used to seeing them , seeing that, you know, to them, to the to people who live to the to the people who live very sheltered lives in malaysia , they see that airing dirty , they see that as airing dirty laundry , you know, so, mean , i laundry, you know, so, i mean, i honestly i say i forgive my transgressors. i forgive the people who persecuted me. if anything, would want to have anything, i would want to have a dialogue them, win dialogue with them, not to win an i could an argument just so i could poush an argument just so i could polish my jokes. yeah, absolutely . absolutely. >> so i mean, say that this >> so i mean, you say that this is has drawn attention the is has drawn attention to the comedy scene in kuala lumpur, is has drawn attention to the comit's scene in kuala lumpur, is has drawn attention to the comit's actually kuala lumpur, is has drawn attention to the comit's actually beena lumpur, is has drawn attention to the comit's actually been quite pur, and it's actually been quite positive. fear that positive. but do you fear that this could set a precedent where the is start looking the authority is start looking for comedians to prosecute for more comedians to prosecute only when it's election year? >> right. okay >> right. okay >> other than that, they're like, it's okay. they cater to a small demographic, you know,

engush small demographic, you know, english speaking demographic within the metropolitan areas. okay >> well, you know what? it's great to hear you being so upbeat about this because i wouldn't be i don't think so. the show is called arrested edinburgh festival . so edinburgh fringe festival. so people search name. people just search your name. >> my name social >> search my name on social media. will be there. or you media. it will be there. or you can edinburgh fringe can go to the edinburgh fringe website the website. i'm part of the free fringe. and fringe. yeah, of course. and just put arrested in there. >> free >> you're part of the free fringe can just come >> you're part of the free fri and can just come >> you're part of the free fri and some can just come >> you're part of the free fri and some moneyt come >> you're part of the free fri and some money inome >> you're part of the free fri and some money in the in and put some money in the bucket that'll great. >> oh, that'll be great. it'll help fees. help me recover my legal fees. yeah >> en- 9 thanks so much >> okay. well, thanks so much for joining me today. really. forjoining me today. really. thank you. thank you, andrew. thank you. thank you, andrew. thank you. thank you, andrew. thank you. thank you . >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> still to come on, free speech nafion >> still to come on, free speech nation , the evergreen. nation, the evergreen. christopher biggins will be here to tell us about his remarkable career as an actor and presenter. but first, let's get the . the latest weather. >> looks like things are heating up . boxed boilers proud sponsors up. boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news .

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gb news. woo woo i welcome back to free woo woo! welcome back to free speech nation. >> my next guest has been a staple of the british entertainment scene for many years, beginning his career in brilliant 70s comedies , brilliant 70s comedies, including upstairs, downstairs and porridge . he went on to and porridge. he went on to appearin and porridge. he went on to appear in serious dramas , appear in serious dramas, children's television shows and host game shows. he also starred children's television shows and ho moviese shows. he also starred children's television shows and ho movies such ivs. he also starred children's television shows and ho movies such as he also starred children's television shows and ho movies such as the also starred children's television shows and ho movies such as the rocky arred in movies such as the rocky horror picture show. he won a

lifetime achievement award at the 2017 great british pantomime awards and somehow found time to win the seventh series of i'm a celebrity, get me out of here. christopher biggins welcome to the show , sir christopher. the show, sir christopher. you've done so much as the introduction implies, but i'm really interested in your acting and how knew wanted to and how you knew you wanted to get involved acting. it get involved in acting. was it vocational from beginning? get involved in acting. was it vocwell,il from beginning? get involved in acting. was it vocwell,il think beginning? get involved in acting. was it vocwell,il think whatzginning? get involved in acting. was it vocwell,il think what happened >> well, i think what happened was born in oldham and my was i was born in oldham and my mother hated it. so within three weeks she packed me up and my father and put me in the back of a pickfords lorry and drove and she didn't drive it. we all drove to down salisbury. she was a hog , so she knew a hampshire hog, so she knew that the world. and so that part of the world. and so we set up home in salisbury and, and when i went to my parents worked very hard to send me to a private school at private school, there was a wonderful elocution mistress . now i had school, there was a wonderful elocution mistress. now i had a great auntie vi who was a real snob. great auntie vi who was a real snob . yes. and hated the fact snob. yes. and hated the fact that i talk like that because

that's you know, they talk in wiltshire. so she wanted me to speak properly. and my elocution mistress, mrs. christian, taught me. and she must seen me. and she must have seen something in me that encouraged me to be an actor. >> of course, that was the >> and of course, that was the time that if you wanted to be an actor, supposed to actor, you were supposed to speak absolutely . speak in absolutely. >> i mean, it's all changed now. if like i do now, if you speak like i do now, you're really recognise it you're not really recognise it at all. >> yeah, absolutely. and then you break television you made a break into television and you got an early role on upstairs. downstairs. mean, and you got an early role on upstaiwasownstairs. mean, and you got an early role on upstaiwas suchtairs. mean, and you got an early role on upstaiwas such airs. mean, and you got an early role on upstaiwas such a huge nean, and you got an early role on upstaiwas such a huge show . which was such a huge show. >> it was a show. very >> it was a huge show. very funny, , we rehearsed funny, though, when we rehearsed it because it was upstairs and downstairs and all the upstairs members of the cast sat in one corner of the rehearsal rooms and all the downstairs people sat in the corner. so it sat in the other corner. so it wasit really was . >> it really was. >> it really was. >> it really was. >> it most bizarre >> it was the most bizarre thing. nobody talked to thing. nobody, nobody talked to each thought was each other. so i thought it was really was a i was really weird. and i was a i was sold cars in the episode, so i was in between in a way i wasn't quite aristocratic, but i also wasn't poor. so there was a it wasn't poor. so there was a it was a marvellous experience to

have. it's an interesting character as well because you're coming quite sleazy . yeah, i coming quite sleazy. yeah, i know. and he makes a pass at pauune know. and he makes a pass at pauline collins. >> we've actually got a >> yes, we've actually got a clip of what happens when you make my goodness. i can't wait >> oh my goodness. i can't wait to well, i must be on my to see. well, i must be on my way. i have another appointment . afraid shouldn't . i'm afraid you shouldn't have kept me waiting. you know . kept me waiting. you know. yeah . yeah. >> poor pauline. she looked shocked. >> well, i think she was shocked . i was shocked , but it was well . i was shocked, but it was well choreographed . it was. we had choreographed. it was. we had a we had doubles and everything. it was great. it was a wonderful experience. and there's such a lovely couple. yes. and wonderful actors both of them. so it was and the whole thing upstairs. downstairs was an extraordinary thing to be involved with because , as you involved with because, as you said, it was really hugely

popular. yes. and of course, in those days , as we used to do those days, as we used to do series and television, we used to get 20 million plus viewers. it's unimaginable now. it is. and nowadays they get excited. if there are 3.2 million watching. >> absolutely . because, of >> absolutely. because, of course, back then there were only three channels. course, back then there were onl'absolutely nnels. course, back then there were onl'absolutely .1els. course, back then there were onl'absolutely . absolutely. so it >> absolutely. absolutely. so it was huge to be in was it was huge to be in a successful tv series. >> so you must have started to be recognised at that point. yeah it was porridge really, that got recognised in because that i got recognised in because i luke warm and i i played luke warm and i remember a convertible car remember i had a convertible car and i was at traffic lights and i was at the traffic lights waiting and the roof was down and a man in a lorry leant over, said, oh, hello, lukewarm, how are you? >> e“ m em— >> so i knew that i'd arrived because that was my character in porridge . porridge. >> so you do so different >> so you do so many different things at this you know, things at this point. you know, you're doing drama, you're doing comedy. a preference comedy. do you have a preference for the type of role you wanted to those years? to be in those early years? >> no, you just wanted to work, really. it's the same really. i mean, it's the same with just with today. you know, you just accept it comes. yes. accept whatever it comes. yes. the about getting the nice thing about getting older you can turn down older is you can turn down things. yeah. and you can be a

bit more selective. whereas in the early days you just take everything . everything. >> yes. but then the >> yes. but then some of the roles did take are so roles you did take are so brilliant. instance , brilliant. and so for instance, i'm thinking nero i'm thinking of nero in i, claudius . i'm thinking of nero in i, claudius. oh, i i'm thinking of nero in i, claudius . oh, i love i'm thinking of nero in i, claudius. oh, i love doing that, i'm thinking of nero in i, claudiis . oh, i love doing that, i'm thinking of nero in i, claudii just h, i love doing that, i'm thinking of nero in i, claudii just thinkyve doing that, i'm thinking of nero in i, claudii just think it'sioing that, i'm thinking of nero in i, claudii just think it's lying that, i'm thinking of nero in i, claudii just think it's i think|at, which i just think it's i think it's one of the impressive it's one of the most impressive series is anyway. is such series is anyway. and it is such a privilege to be of it. a privilege to be part of it. >> . my mother , >> really. and my mother, barbara young, has just recently died, who was a wonderful actress, and husband, jack actress, and her husband, jack pullman , adapted books. yes pullman, adapted the books. yes for the tv series. and was for the tv series. and it was just just wonderful to be involved in something like that, which huge , huge success. which was huge, huge success. yes. and if you ever seen i, claudius. well, it is a terrific you can get it on dvd now. and we do very well from the dvd sales. but it's a but it it's a brilliant thing to have been involved in. >> it's also incredible the way that jack pullman adapted it, i thought brilliantly done. thought was brilliantly done. i'd robert graves i'd i'd heard that robert graves turned up on one of the days. >> he did. he he >> yes, he did. he did. and he was impressed , too. i mean, was very impressed, too. i mean, it it was an incredible it was it was an incredible book. yes. mean, book. yes. oh, yes. i mean, you know , i claudius, it was just

know, i claudius, it was just extraordinary. and but he adapted it brilliantly. well, we've got a little clip of this as well. >> if we can have a look at emperor , i am emperor of rome . emperor, i am emperor of rome. >> i feel sorry for him. don't you? no, no, no. neither do i. let's announce his death . not let's announce his death. not yet . first we shall put out yet. first we shall put out a bulletin to say that he's as well as can be expected . well as can be expected. considering he's dead . yes. and considering he's dead. yes. and we must find the will. it will be in his study. >> but i love the way you play that because it's so sort of counterintuitive to what we think nero . you're quite think of as nero. you're quite impish, totally impish, but also totally obsequious to your mother. i know there was a scene in the series because we only did the last episode. >> it was such a strong episode that people that was very important. people remember it much, but there remember it so much, but there was a scene where i go very petulant to her and say, wife petulant to her and say, my wife won't me any more. won't have sex with me any more. and said , don't worry,

and she said, don't worry, darling, these happen. darling, these things happen. and then she lays back on the bed allows herself for me to bed and allows herself for me to have her. and it was have sex with her. and it was the romans christian exactly . the romans christian exactly. and it sold america and when it was sold to america , they cut that scene because they couldn't they said they couldn't bear incest. oh, dear. oh incest. america oh, dear. oh dean incest. america oh, dear. oh dear, oh dear. >> but were you aware at the time of how important that series was? >> no, no , i think any of us >> no, no, i think any of us were. i mean, it was it was in fact, enough , when they fact, funny enough, when they first went out, we filmed our last episode halfway through the series. and when it first went out, it was badly criticised by the critics . i mean, they said, the critics. i mean, they said, this is terrible, this is awful, this is ghastly. they this is ghastly. and then they turned around halfway through this is ghastly. and then they turn said'ound halfway through this is ghastly. and then they turn said , und halfway through this is ghastly. and then they turn said , thishalfway through this is ghastly. and then they turn said , this islfway through this is ghastly. and then they turn said , this is brilliantough and said, this is brilliant television. so we were all on a high by then because we were suddenly huge success. suddenly in a huge success. >> well, they're quite capricious, aren't they, the critics? wrong critics? and they get it wrong capriciously they certainly >> and they did. they certainly got wrong that got it wrong with that particular got it wrong with that parti done films. got it wrong with that pari done films. got it wrong with that pari mean, lms. got it wrong with that pari mean, one the remember >> i mean, one of the i remember seeing in derek jarman's seeing you in derek jarman's version tempest when i version of the tempest when i was about 14. i was quite shocked actually, the film. shocked, actually, by the film. well, quite shocking, the

well, it was quite shocking, the film, it was again , film, i mean, but it was again, derek jarman was brilliant derek jarman was a brilliant director and he was wonderful to work with. >> we filmed in north cumberland and we there were lots of scenes on the beaches and in the morning they used to brush the snow. it was so cold off the sand dunes before we filmed and it was so cold. one of the actors playing fernando ferdinand, he had to come out of the sea , the north sea, stark the sea, the north sea, stark naked . naked. >> yes, i remember. >> yes, i remember. >> and he was i don't know how he did it . >> and he was i don't know how he did it. there was no shnnkage he did it. there was no shrinkage either. i don't know . shrinkage either. i don't know. we're all very impressed . we're all very impressed. >> but it was a really interesting and course interesting film. and of course , with , you're grappling with shakespeare and you're playing a comedic . the stephano is comedic role. the stephano is stephano. yeah but that's not your only shakespeare. were your only shakespeare. you were doing you've puck. did? your only shakespeare. you were doiiyes.you've puck. did? your only shakespeare. you were doiiyes. iyu've puck. did? your only shakespeare. you were doiiyes. i did. puck. did? your only shakespeare. you were doiiyes. i did. puck puck. did? your only shakespeare. you were doiiyes. i did. puck li'ijck. did? your only shakespeare. you were doiiyes. i did. puck in regent's? >> yes. i did. puck in regent's park, open theatre . in fact, park, open air theatre. in fact, i puckin park, open air theatre. in fact, i puck in park i was the best puck in the park that i did also do that year. and but i did also do stephano two in the park, which was, i mean, do you know the regent's park open air theatre? it's wonderful theatre and it's great. and if you could play

regent's park, open air theatre, you can play anywhere because dunng you can play anywhere because during the day you have tourists come and animals like whole ducks walk across the stage, you know, and then all the japanese tourists get up and position themselves with you in the background , take photographs. background, take photographs. it's extraordinary. there it's extraordinary. but there was when i playing was when i was playing puck, i had kate o'mara titania . and had kate o'mara as titania. and when it rains , it regent's park, when it rains, it regent's park, open air theatre, you're not allowed to leave the stage until allowed to leave the stage until all a disembodied voice says, will the actors kindly leave the stage ? so this particular day it stage? so this particular day it started to rain and i was at the feet of titania and she was making a speech and she was beautiful . kate do you remember? beautiful. kate do you remember? kate o'mara wonderful, gorgeous woman. rain started and woman. and the rain started and the rain. she had gorgeous . they the rain. she had gorgeous. they were absolutely wonderful. and she had a wonderful low dress that showed up. and suddenly the rain went ping, ping, ping, ping off her bosoms . and i thought, i off her bosoms. and i thought, i can't i've had a big speech

coming up and i thought i can't bean coming up and i thought i can't bear. so i tried not to laugh. and it got worse . and then the and it got worse. and then the audience started to laugh and i went and just as i was about to make my speech this disembodied voice said, will the actors kindly stage thank god. well, luckily, it's >> well, luckily, it's one of the exactly . we could get >> yes, exactly. we could get away. but it was it's extraordinary. >> and i mean, that's such a different the of playing >> and i mean, that's such a different the ratherf playing >> and i mean, that's such a different the rather than/ing >> and i mean, that's such a different the rather than ,ng >> and i mean, that's such a different the rather than , you shakespeare rather than, you know, sort jobs that know, these sort of tv jobs that you had. which prefer you had. which did you prefer being in that experience of a live ? live theatre? >> oh, the theatre by far the >> oh, the theatre is by far the best, of course. yeah. i mean, it's wonderful. mean, it's wonderful. i mean, it's a fantastic experience . and fantastic experience. and because you know what's going to happen know, you're happen, you know, you're completely and things do happen because people will say, but it's the every night and it's the same every night and you're no, you're doing the same. no, no, no, at all. i no, it's not. not at all. i mean, a play called cluedo mean, i did a play called cluedo and i played reverend green and i played the reverend green and i played the reverend green and i played the reverend green and i was being interrogated by the policeman. yes. suddenly the policeman. yes. and suddenly he in windsor, the theatre royal he in windsor, the theatre royal, a butterfly came on the stage and landed on the policeman's nose . so i'm policeman's nose. so i'm confronted with a man with a

with a butterfly on his nose and trying to do the scene. and then it flew away. so thank god. then it flew away. so thank god. then it came and landed on my nose and, you know, of course you've got the audience there. >> so you're getting this immediate . absolutely. >> so you're getting this imrand ate . absolutely. >> so you're getting this imrand ate know . absolutely. >> so you're getting this imrand ate know , .absolutely. >> so you're getting this imrand ate know , i. absolutely. >> so you're getting this imrand ate know , i hate)lutely. >> so you're getting this imrand ate know , i hate people >> and you know, i hate people who corpse in theatre because it's cheap. but you know, when it's cheap. but you know, when it's something like that and you laugh and the audience laugh with you, it's wonderful. yes. >> suppose you can get >> and i suppose you can get away a panto dame . away with that as a panto dame. yes. of that, yes. you've done a lot of that, of well, made a career out >> well, i've made a career out of pantomime dame. of being a pantomime dame. in fact, this of being a pantomime dame. in fact, i'm this of being a pantomime dame. in fact, i'm going this of being a pantomime dame. in fact, i'm going southampton of being a pantomime dame. in fact,year going southampton of being a pantomime dame. in fact,year to going southampton of being a pantomime dame. in fact,year to doing southampton of being a pantomime dame. in fact,year to do snow uthampton of being a pantomime dame. in fact,year to do snow uthamfand this year to do snow white, and i'm playing the man in the mirror and it's great because i fly in and fly out and i only have one costume, so it's going to easy me. you're to be easy for me. yes. you're not literally , are you not flying in literally, are you on wire? on the wire? >> yeah yeah. on the wire? >> goodness yeah yeah. on the wire? >> goodness ye love yeah. on the wire? >> goodness ye love flying|. on the wire? >> goodness ye love flying . >> goodness me. i love flying. >> goodness me. i love flying. >> absolutely incredible. >> goodness me. i love flying. >> and absolutely incredible. >> goodness me. i love flying. >> and then solutely incredible. >> goodness me. i love flying. >> and then we |tely incredible. >> goodness me. i love flying. >> and then we don't1credible. >> goodness me. i love flying. >> and then we don't have ble. >> goodness me. i love flying. >> and then we don't have much longer, just because some longer, but i just because some people were people won't know that you were in horror picture in the rocky horror picture show, the show, which just a jump to the left right. left or the step to the right. >> hands on your hips >> put your hands on your hips and knees in tight. and bring your knees in tight. >> actually sang the time >> and actually sang the time warp with with the with the gang.

>> i mean, how did you get involved in that? >> remember vividly how >> well, i remember vividly how i got involved because i was a great friend of the most the great friend of the most of the company and knew director company and i knew the director and i went to the opening night of the stage show in in the royal court. royal court theatre upstairs . and i never seen upstairs. and i never seen anything like it in my life . i anything like it in my life. i mean, richard richard o'brien, who wrote it, it was an extraordinary piece . extraordinary piece. >> it was so anarchic and different, wasn't it? >> and we'd never seen anything different, wasn't it? >> ancsoa'd never seen anything different, wasn't it? >> ancso id never seen anything different, wasn't it? >> ancso i wasver seen anything different, wasn't it? >> ancso i was a r seen anything different, wasn't it? >> ancso i was a realen anything different, wasn't it? >> ancso i was a real fannything different, wasn't it? >> ancso i was a real fan of hing like it. so i was a real fan of it. because of that, when it. and because of that, when they film , they they did the film, they incorporated a 14. think it incorporated a 14. i think it was transylvanians, and i got lucky to get one of roles. lucky to get one of those roles. >> array >> yes, you're one of the array of people in odd costumes. >> i know . and we did ten weeks >> i know. and we did ten weeks on it. we got £100 a week. i bought bed at the end of bought a sofa bed at the end of it were every day. it and we were stoned every day. >> sounds like i wasn't >> that sounds like i wasn't taking anything, but it was in the air. it was there. was the air. it was just there. was it? i can believe it. the air. it was just there. was it? christopher, believe it. the air. it was just there. was it? christopher, thankieve it. the air. it was just there. was it? christopher, thankieve so >> christopher, thank you so much for coming on and discussing really discussing this with me. really appreciate. . and

appreciate. thank you. and coming up on free speech nation , a man dressed as a dog ventures outside for the first time. amusement park visitors get trapped on a ride for ten minutes. bear decides to minutes. and a bear decides to bathe in tub. it's almost bathe in a hot tub. it's almost time for social sensations. don't away . sounds good .

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from. nine welcome back to free speech nation. >> so it's time for social sensations, our weekly look at the videos which have been dominating the internet. and first up, a man who goes by the name of taco ventures out in pubuc name of taco ventures out in public as a dog for the very first time. no, no . first time. no, no. >> as this is . just perfect . >> as this is. just perfect. >> as this is. just perfect. >> who . >> who. >> who. >> okay, we need to talk about this. so that isn't a dog. it's a human being. is it? >> incredibly transphobic? so is this an individual who identifies as a dog or is it just someone who has a is it like a fetish to be a what's going on? i'm going to say

something which just go with me on this. okay. right he's japanese. yeah right. that is a country that loves weird ness. we can. >> you're not telling me that's normal behaviour. even in japan , they do some stuff that is weirder in japan than that. >> you never seen like, you >> have you never seen like, you know, hentai with women having sex. >> let's not let's not talk about that that is what happens. >> i haven't seen it obviously . >> i haven't seen it obviously. yes but i've heard it. do you yes but i've heard of it. do you think this just it's just a think this is just it's just a cultural difference, as francis is ? is implying? >> cultural >> this is not a cultural difference . difference. >> i have a funny feeling that there are many japanese people going no , this is this is not going no, this is this is not i mean, it's a good costume . mean, it's a good costume. >> i mean, okay, yeah, let's look at it from that angle because that's the only one that my mind can even possibly cope with. >> yeah, look at him. i mean , >> yeah, look at him. i mean, actually, you actually, if i saw him, you know, just on the street, i would assume it was a dog. >> little think would assume it was a dog. >> a little think would assume it was a dog. >> a dog little think would assume it was a dog. >> a dog . little think it's a dog. >> but it'sadog. » bu. >> yeah, but dogs are stupid. >> yeah, but dogs are stupid. >> yeah, but dogs are stupid. >> yeah, that's true. >> yeah, that's true.

>> saying stupid? >> are you saying i'm stupid? >> are you saying i'm stupid? >> would it. >> francis? i would fall for it. >> francis? i would fall for it. >> think . >> i think. >> i think. >> no, i. i'm not happy with the amount of commitment he is giving to this cosplay event because to me, i don't think he's cosplay saying and there it makes my skin crawl. i think it's creepy. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> to be honest, i think we've spent too much time talking about we're going on spent too much time talking abthis we're going on spent too much time talking abthis videole're going on spent too much time talking abthis video which )ing on spent too much time talking abthis video which captured on to this video which captured the moment park moment that the amusement park riders spinning in riders were left spinning in reverse for ten minutes after a popular music express ride in rye, new york, malfunctioned . rye, new york, malfunctioned. and the emergency brakes failed. oh oh, >> this is why you don't get on these rides . >> this is why you don't get on these rides. this is why you don't get on these rides. >> oh, you see how i would have been on there . that's crazy . been on there. that's crazy. that's scary when my kids are . that's scary when my kids are. >> oh, no . >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> it is your worst nightmare, isn't it? going to a fairground . so i have friends . so i have some friends who

were trapped upside down were caught. trapped upside down on an hour. on a ride for an hour. >> is this you again? >> is this you again? >> it's not me. >> it's not me. >> i wouldn't have been >> it's not me. >> to i wouldn't have been >> it's not me. >> to copei wouldn't have been >> it's not me. >> to cope with ldn't have been >> it's not me. >> to cope with that. have been >> it's not me. >> to cope with that. this been >> it's not me. >> to cope with that. this wasn >> it's not me. >>aberystwythith that. this wasn >> it's not me. >>aberystwythith that. twere asn in aberystwyth and they were hanging for an hour hanging upside down for an hour and uncomfortable . well, as and so uncomfortable. well, as you can imagine , i mean, that's you can imagine, i mean, that's thatis you can imagine, i mean, that's that is pretty bad , my friend. that is pretty bad, my friend. >> this is a true story. and it's not me who had the worst one. so he's his parents split up really awful up and he had a really awful relationship dad . yeah. relationship with his dad. yeah. and what his dad to do is and what his dad used to do is because here america, because here in america, he should take him to six flags, which the amusement park. should take him to six flags, which the amusement park . and which is the amusement park. and they just. they didn't even speak to each other. just speak to each other. they just do never offer do the rides and never offer a word. they went the big word. so they went on the big dipper. yeah, the fried broke and so they were on the top of the big dipper, just him and him, each other him, his dad next to each other for three hours in enclosed space. >> i think the moral of the story is never go on a fairground ride . fairground ride. >> just like to apologise for the bad language. in that clip, we of that. we weren't aware of that. finally, a clip of finally, here is a clip of a bear calling in a hot tub bear calling down in a hot tub in california. you heard that right? translated top of my

whole is now i don't believe . whole is now i don't believe. you guys. >> give me a break. >> give me a break. >> so the thing about bears is they're very cute, aren't they? that was very cute . but it could that was very cute. but it could rip off, couldn't it? rip your head off, couldn't it? oh yeah. >> em- >> bears attack the face. >> bears attack the face. >> . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so that's quite nice. you >> so that's quite nice. if you sort of saw a bear lounging around. i mean, is this climate change because , you know, change because, you know, obviously humans obviously with humans encroaching onto like wildlife areas, the wildlife have to go somewhere. and if they're going to go somewhere , they're going to go somewhere, they're going to go somewhere, they're going to hot tub. to go in your hot tub. >> rewild ing. >> question e“ >> my question is, is that a japanese man in a costume ? japanese man in a costume? >> so, look, thank you for joining us for free speech nafion joining us for free speech nation at this was the nation tonight at this was the week when a former aussie pm claimed they were lucky to be colonised the nhs prescribed gratitude, ponchos and the labour party almost worked out what a woman is. >> so thanks to my panel diane spencer frances foster and spencer and frances foster and to my this evening . and to my guests this evening. and if you want to join us live in the studio part of our the studio and be part of our

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stop illegal migration, she says the attorney general and lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave . that over how law firms behave. that says the number of channel crossings continues to climb with more than 14,700 people intercepted in small boats so far this year. dame pretty warns

the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill >> you need a deterrent factor for a start. and removals and returns. my rwanda plan was central to that. the returns agreements that i have put in place and others are now putting in place. we have to get planes leaving the country and show that if you come here illegally, you can't just get a free pass being firm is actually the stance that we should take, and that means removing people and returning to other third returning people to other third countries or country of origin , countries or country of origin, says dame. >> pretty . also spoke to camilla >> pretty. also spoke to camilla tominey about the net zero target, saying the government needs to press pause on the 2020 2050 climate goal . 2050 climate goal. >> public are not ready for this and importantly, we cannot just have this state, the government , central government, just sort of saying , oh, across again, of saying, oh, across again, institutions, local councils, county councils , these are the county councils, these are the targets that you have to meet when we don't have the technology , we're not ready. technology, we're not ready. now, if we want a sensible

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