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uxbndge the top tory who plunged the uxbridge byelection into chaos . uxbridge byelection into chaos. >> yes, she was. the premise of the show is very simple. each of us gets about 60s to outline our argument about our chosen topic , and then we all pile in and it gets more chaotic than labour's plans to tackle climate change. and of course we want to know your well. please do your views as well. please do get touch throughout the show get in touch throughout the show by emailing views at by emailing gb views at gbnews.com. we start gbnews.com. but before we start tearing apart, it is tearing each other apart, it is time night time for your saturday night news middlehurst . news with polly middlehurst. >> emily thank you. good evening to you. the top story tonight on gb news two motorbikes have been recovered by police investigating a fatal hit and run incident in walsall in the west midlands. seven year old cutlass celeste neff was taken to hospital in a critical condition following the collision on thursday night, later dying of her injuries. a 14 year old boy was arrested on suspicion of causing death by

dangerous driving. he's now been released on police bail with strict conditions as enquiries continue , rail services have continue, rail services have been disrupted again today with thousands of workers walking off the job in a long running dispute over pay rmt members at 14 train companies are on strike with passengers being advised to check before they travel. in some areas, only half of services are running, while in others there are no services at all. poland's prime minister says 100 wagner group mercenaries in belarus have moved closer to the polish border, and that could pose a threat to his country. he's warned wagner troops might pose as belarusian border guards and try to infiltrate the country early this month, poland moved troops to the east of the country amid rising concerns that wagner fighters in belarus could lead to increased border tensions . and that comes as tensions. and that comes as ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy visited troops near

the frontline in the eastern region of donetsk, a counter offensive by ukrainian forces has had some success in the area in recent weeks . now our news in recent weeks. now our news here at home, a former paratrooper has completed a 19,000 mile charity walk around the uk coastline . i'm chris the uk coastline. i'm chris lewis was joined by hundreds of supporters as he crossed the finish line at llangennith beach in wales . the father of two in wales. the father of two raising £500,000 in the process for ssafa. that's the soldiers, sailors and airmen's families association. mr lewis set off from the same spot six years ago, with only a few supplies and a tenner in his pocket. he says he never stopped believing in himself. i have a focus, you know, something that you you can focus on and just pursue it. >> don't let anybody tell you you can't. and you know, have a bit of faith in yourself. all the parts of this journey where people shouldn't do people said that i shouldn't do it, never been done or it, it's never been done or anything this. they're the anything like this. they're the parts i love most .

parts that i love the most. >> and lastly, thousands of people have taken part in belfast's largest ever pride parade today, more than 250 groups took part in today's event, and police officers were asked to wear their not you wear their uniforms, rather, but the police service of northern ireland declined that request, citing the need to be seen as impartial. meanwhile, in liverpool, crowds took to the streets as the city there hosted a pride parade. this time on behalf of the ukrainian capital kyiv . you're up to date on tv kyiv. you're up to date on tv onune kyiv. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is. gb news. >> thank you, polly. it is saturday night and this is the saturday night and this is the saturday five. i'm emily carver and i can promise that you are for in a very spicy hour. so let's get the show on the road now then, darren may have turned

30 years old, but don't worry. the passing years have not detracted from his anger at government immigration policy. yes, it's crime time. >> yep. shame shame, shame! i'll tell you the shame that engulfs our proud island nation. we witness a colossal . £7 million witness a colossal. £7 million of your money squandered on indulgent hotels. for those crossing the english channel from france. yet when it comes to finding a home for a brave soul who selflessly crossed that very channel to fight the in france , suddenly they can't seem france, suddenly they can't seem to get their act together. alfie guenigault, 98 years old, who landed at pegasus bridge as allied troops stormed normandy in 1944, has been told he has to wait 12 months for accommodation by his local council. let's have a listen . a listen. >> this is alfred guenigault , a >> this is alfred guenigault, a 98 year old d—day veteran currently living in a hostel after being evicted from his rented bungalow. alfred lived

for seven years in the property in dorset with his daughter and son in law. they were forced to move after being served a no fault eviction notice by their landlord . landlord. >> i can't see a future. >> i can't see a future. >> i don't know about you, but i want to say a heartfelt thank you to alfred from the depth of my heart. you know, thank you for everything that you did. we stand resolutely with you against this injustice. it's a shameful display revealing how skewed our priorities are , where skewed our priorities are, where we disregard the sacrifices made by heroic veterans . i think our by heroic veterans. i think our nafion by heroic veterans. i think our nation has to do better and put those who served their country with the courage at the forefront of our charity. it's a charity that ought to start at home, not for those coming here with scant regard for the laws of our land. i say to hell with prioritising fight an age men who are coming here illegally. we ought to be prioritising the

ones fighting age men who selflessly fought to liberate a continent from tyranny. it's a joke . but ben benjamin , i'm joke. but ben benjamin, i'm assuming that you're going to say that i'm some kind of bigot or something like that. your heart must surely go out to alfred. heart must surely go out to alf|well, let me tell you, >> well, look, let me tell you, i'd you whether i'd call you a bigot. whether you'd said that monologue or not. of what you not. the reality of what you just tried to do there by linking the appalling plight of that 98 year old man, you know , that 98 year old man, you know, he he gave a huge amount to this country, but even if he hadn't, that be appalling that would still be appalling against migrants, against refugees , trying to pit two refugees, trying to pit two vulnerable groups who have nothing really in common in this situation. i think is the problem. the truth is , is problem. and the truth is, is that the problem there is this thing evictions. the thing of no fault evictions. the idea that a wealthy landlord in a sort of dickensian manner can throw someone out what i want to know and you know, generally i don't like witch hunts, but i'd want to know that landlord want to know who that landlord was that was was that thought that was appropriate. the

appropriate. and that's why the government , which been government, which has been wavering question, government, which has been waverircrack question, government, which has been waverircrack on question, government, which has been waverircrack on and stion, government, which has been waverircrack on and stop, government, which has been waverircrack on and stop wealthy should crack on and stop wealthy landlords being able to chuck their residents out no reason. >> well, i think actually we need build houses need to just build more houses so people rent. landlords so that people rent. landlords like to do with people crossing the channel. >> think benjamin's >> i think benjamin's made a very point about the very good point there about the problem here being no fault evictions. completely agree evictions. i completely agree with need to build with you that we need to build more houses . with you that we need to build more houses. but what's that with you that we need to build more houses . but what's that got more houses. but what's that got to tell you what it's more houses. but what's that got to to tell you what it's more houses. but what's that got to to do. tell you what it's got to do. >> 40,000 people came over last year had the year. we've had tens of the issues that you're talking about year. we've had tens of the isslserious you're talking about year. we've had tens of the lssl serious issues talking about year. we've had tens of the isslserious issues .alking about are serious issues. >> no fault evictions. that needs to be looked at properly. the needs to be the government needs to be liberalising planning to allow house both public and house builders, both public and private build homes. private, to build more homes. i just don't see the need. well, we wouldn't so many homes. we wouldn't need so many homes. i don't see the need link i don't see the need to link that to this. this veteran who i don't see the need to link thatwrongly this veteran who i don't see the need to link thatwrongly beenyeteran who i don't see the need to link thatwrongly been thrown who of has wrongly been thrown out of his crossing his house and migrants crossing because look at this because people look at this veteran now, people look at this slightly incorrectly. >> , benjamin, all of >> i mean, benjamin, not all of the have come to the people that have come to this country are asylum seekers that vulnerable. last that are vulnerable. we saw last year albanian men. year! in 4 were albanian men.

albania country now , albania is a safe country now, but this man wasn't kicked out of for house albanian. of his for house an albanian. >> just the facts. >> let's just get the facts. we're comparisons here. >> the comparison that we need to at is, i think to be looking at is, i think darren absolutely right. darren is absolutely right. building housing, building social housing, he's not get it. not being able to get it. >> have massive demands for >> we have massive demands for social what, social housing. i tell you what, how immigration making how is immigration not making that how is immigration not making tha it's your pin up lady maggie >> it's your pin up lady maggie thatcher that. she sold thatcher that did that. she sold off of the council houses in off all of the council houses in this country weren't this country and they weren't rebuilt generation after rebuilt for the generation after them. that old doesn't them. that 98 year old doesn't have social housing because have any social housing because your girl, maggie , went and your fan girl, maggie, went and sold it. >> if maggie thatcher had >> even if maggie thatcher had left the social housing. the left all the social housing. the fact of the matter is that your man, allowed mass man, tony blair, allowed mass migration into this country that has ensured that we don't have enough housing. so just to say very quickly, think you'll very quickly, i think you'll find tony very quickly, i think you'll find was tony very quickly, i think you'll find was fraction tony very quickly, i think you'll find was fraction of tony very quickly, i think you'll find was fraction of what' blair was a fraction of what it's been under the tories. well, started well, it certainly started the eu things. well, it certainly started the eu say things. well, it certainly started the eu say something because it may >> say something because it may not a direct compact. listen not be a direct compact. listen that has drawn there in his. >> it's not a direct comparison , nothing it. but it is , nothing about it. but it is a stark example of where

government priorities seem to be wrong. >> according to, i would say probably the majority of. absolutely. and it's not just this chap . we have huge rates of this chap. we have huge rates of homelessness , particularly among homelessness, particularly among veterans across the country. and i'm sorry, but most people looking at the amount of money being spent out on hotel accommodation and on barges now on 2000 marquees for people who have come here illegally , they have come here illegally, they have, according to our national law . so i have, according to our national law. so i think that is fair enough to point out that the government has got priorities wrong and they need to do something about this issue. >> and taxpayer money something about this issue. >> an beingtaxpayer money something about this issue. >> an being fundedr money something about this issue. >> an being funded foroney something about this issue. >> an being funded for these that's being funded for these hotel rooms, for these individuals come here that individuals to come here that have come here illegally. i think as come think the solution as we come here they those here illegally, they have those individuals have refuge. >> is, by nature, legal . >> is, by nature, legal. >> is, by nature, legal. >> and we know for a fact not all of them are refugees. begets i mean, the fact that in 4 i mean, the fact that 1 in 4 migrants came a safe migrants came from a safe country is country like albania is ridiculous. and benjamin, i think have to that not think you have to admit that not all of them are genuine refugees from acceptance from the acceptance rates are something 9,095% for people something like 9,095% for people

from countries afghanistan from countries like afghanistan , oman and yemen. >> just point a wider >> but let me just point a wider point a wider remark on on point out, a wider remark on on this issue. the this immigration issue. the government two weeks ago added another profession to its list where we desperately need immigrants bricklayer hours. how are you going to build any of these houses? >> legal immigration . >> that's legal immigration. >> that's legal immigration. >> legal immigration. >> that's legal immigration. that's not legal. >> you need immigrants build houses. >> proportion of coming >> a proportion of those coming across are bricklayers. >> well, no , that's a stupid >> well, no, that's a stupid remark come here remark because they come here and get a right to and then if they get a right to work, go into an work, they will go in into an industry we need them. industry in which we need them. and do bricklayer, bricklayers? >> because we need to build some houses illegal immigration with legal perfectly happy to see >> i'm perfectly happy to see more come this more bricklayers come to this country we need. country if that's what we need. but illegal immigrants but these are illegal immigrants that about. that darren is talking about. and feel and unfortunately, it does feel as though are leaving alone as though we are leaving alone people this country that have people in this country that have fought for country and fought for our country and instead prioritising that instead prioritising those that come instead prioritising those that con man, instead prioritising those that conman, this man, instead prioritising those that con man, this man, alfred, was >> man, this man, alfred, was left in in a hostel because of left in a in a hostel because of a no fault eviction that it is the issue here. so i think the debate. the debate. the debate we should be having this isn't

what i think or don't think, but it's about it's about the debate that should be having, should that we should be having, should be evictions, not be about no fault evictions, not about no. be about no fault evictions, not abobecause no. be about no fault evictions, not abobecause he'so. be about no fault evictions, not abobecause he's still be about no fault evictions, not abo because he's still trying to >> because he's still trying to get social housing. council get social housing. his council have him he's got to wait have told him he's got to wait 12 why have they told 12 months. why have they told him that? because there are massive so main massive demands. so the main reason that the reason the main reason that the social housing list is so long is of people crossing social housing list is so long is channelf people crossing the channel >> darren, do you really believe. >> really believe that >> i do. really believe that immigration massive, immigration is adding massive, massive and constraints massive demands and constraints on housing. >> main reason that demands >> the main reason that demands on social housing are so high is because of channel crossing. because of the channel crossing. >> because many people >> it's because so many people are exacerbating that problem, leading 98 year old veterans leading to 98 year old veterans not getting the help they deserve. >> so what is the reason? what are main reasons? are the main reasons? >> we are focusing >> because we are focusing on 40,000 other people lack of 40,000 other people that lack of housing, housing, lack of housing, housing, lack of housing, migration. and then thirdly , we well, it would be thirdly, we well, it would be a case of the wrong priorities. the doesn't have the government doesn't have people like alfred in their priorities. could we make an argument about needing to build more houses without having to talk about people crossing the

channel? >> is that is that possible? well, i'll be i'm going to let you have that because i need to move let you have move on and let you have your work go on being angry about being rejected when you try to go on countdown because you're going to have a moan. >> i think i'll be about carol vorderman . take it away. so my vorderman. take it away. so my grandmother always told me, i'll be that three things are certain in life death tax and virtue signalling left wing celebrities like carol vorderman complaining about the conservative party . about the conservative party. >> now, i like carol vorderman. she's an amazing mathematician , she's an amazing mathematician, an an amazing broadcaster , and an an amazing broadcaster, and i'm envious of her sex life . i'm envious of her sex life. yeah, apparently, according to the daily mail, she has five men on the go at once . yes, i'm on the go at once. yes, i'm envious . look, it's one on the go at once. yes, i'm envious. look, it's one thing to be your standard kind of celebrity type who goes on about how much they hate the conservatives like eurovision's mae, mae miller , for example, mae, mae miller, for example, who this week had a pop at made in chelsea's georgia toffolo for

saying that david cameron still has it after his bombs storming speech at the lgbt conservative gay marriage reception earlier on this week. i was there. it was a barnstorming speech and i can tell you. david cameron absolutely still has it. i can understand people like may miller because they've always been anti conservative. but guess who was one of david cameron's maths advisors back in 2012? countdown is very own. carol vorderman now look, i've said i like carol, but she's a turncoat . how can you go from turncoat. how can you go from 2012 being one of david cameron's maths advisers sitting next to him, posing for a picture like she was just there to going on about how much you hate the conservatives all the time, how much you hate boris johnson, rishi sunak , johnny johnson, rishi sunak, johnny mercer going on tirades about how corrupt and awful this government is when back in 2010

she was one of the conservative party's biggest supporters . it's party's biggest supporters. it's this kind of hypocrisy that really irritates people . carol. really irritates people. carol. we get it . you don't like the we get it. you don't like the tories . look at the polls. tories. look at the polls. you're not the only one. but instead of sitting at the sidelines carping and moaning, why don't you join a political party, stand for election and try and make a difference rather than sitting behind your phone writing tweets , trying to get writing tweets, trying to get more followers and more attention ? benjamin butterworth attention? benjamin butterworth i feel that you might have a lot of affinity with what carol's doing. >> well, i'm not i'm not sleeping with five men at once, if that's what you're asking. i mean, that was just the biggest load of claptrap i've heard in three months because woman changes her mind how she changes her mind on how she votes. basically it. you votes. that's basically it. you made argument for me when you made my argument for me when you pointed out that she supports david cameron tories in david cameron in the tories in the election and some of the 2010 election and some of the 2010 election and some of the after that. the the years after that. but the truth is that like somewhere between 40 and 50% of the population , she can see the

population, she can see that the tories have been hopeless in government, our economy is government, that our economy is a zone and that there's a disaster zone and that there's not much hope under this leadership. and so using leadership. and so she's using her voice like any reasonable person. if you say that carol vorderman shouldn't use the big platform as a platform that she has as a long time celebrity, it's like saying that people shouldn't and that people shouldn't go and campaign village campaign in their local village or the local town about issues they about. they care about. >> using. they care about. >> she's using. they care about. >> she's doing that. they care about. >> she's using that. they care about. >> she's using hert. they care about. >> she's using her voice, benjamin say like the benjamin to say things like the han in matt is silent. han in matt hancock is silent. is something? one of is that really something? one of our most loved television broadcasters should be saying about an elected politician ? about an elected politician? >> well, call me a freedom of speech activist, albie, but i don't think you need to. >> i didn't say you don't need to. >> police people's language like that. >> she should have said he didn't say should illegal. didn't say it should be illegal. >> clearly just trying to >> she's clearly just trying to stay she's this is a stay relevant. she's this is a very thing you very popular thing to do. you get of followers, so get millions of followers, so patronising, know, it's like patronising, you know, it's like the gary lineker thing. other people purkiss, people like marina purkiss, it's just do. just a classic thing to do. also, what's quite funny about her that most of them her tweets is that most of them seem fact seem to have these little fact check on them because

check things on them because more often than not, she gets her wrong, is her facts wrong, which is surprising so surprising from someone who's so interested numbers. interested in numbers. >> you you'd say that >> do you think you'd say that about man, emily? about a man, emily? >> you think you'd say >> do you think you'd say that about they're only about a man that they're only expressing opinion using expressing their opinion using emily their emily of only expressing their views because they're trying to stay think can stay relevant? i think she can speak can. speak for herself. she can. >> she have her own view. >> she can have her own view. >> she can have her own view. >> if her tweets have to be fact checked and we know what nonsense line, nonsense goes out on line, actually, that actually, then i would say that perhaps read perhaps she needs to read a little more about politics little bit more about politics before pipes up, but before she pipes up, but she's free to do so. of course she is. but we're free to make fun of her. >> speaking of being patronising, though, the fact that you know, not that she said, you know, not a degree in sight when she was tweeting mercer, she's snob. >> she's an absolute snob. >> she's an absolute snob. >> it's stuck up more than a bum. right. she's had goodness only what pumped into it. only knows what pumped into it. and gone to her head. >> mean, it looks great. you >> i mean, it looks great. you know, more know, she's getting more attention i am. attention from men than i am. >> darren grimes, >> but. but darren grimes, sorry. ibrahim even . don't sorry. ring ibrahim even. don't you think we look quite similar ? quite similar. you both got dark hair and pale skin at the moment, but don't think it's moment, but don't you think it's important for people important actually for people

that like like that have platforms like like carol vorderman to actually do something , stand for election something, stand for election and try and make a difference in parliament? >> i do think that what she's doing here is she's trying to sort of attempt to stay relevant. i think that emily's right. i think that fundamentally sympathise fundamentally i do sympathise with that have love with people that have lost love with people that have lost love with conservative party and with the conservative party and we've the highest tax burden we've got the highest tax burden in years. i don't think that in 70 years. i don't think that necessarily carol vorderman is lost love with the party because she's free market maverick. she's this free market maverick. i actually think trying i actually think she's trying to sort relevant , but i sort of stay relevant, but i mean, we're all free to have arguments whether not arguments about whether or not the party are the conservative party are the future. something future. it says something fashionable . fashionable. >> benjamin butterworth, >> well, benjamin butterworth, about left celebrity is about left wing celebrity is there something fashionable about wing celebrities just about left wing celebrities just hating the conservative hating on the conservative party? i mean, i wouldn't even say that carol vorderman was protecting but is protecting our country, but is it just is it just fashionable to conservatives the to hate on the conservatives the gibberish to hate on the conservatives the gib look, if they came out and >> look, if they came out and said something right wing, if they don't the they said they don't like the left they'd show on left wing, they'd get a show on this right? people this channel, right? people are free express their views and free to express their views and the condescending that

the condescending attitude that she it to she somehow is only doing it to stay california is a stay relevant. california is a multi, millionaire. she's multi, multi millionaire. she's 62. since the 62. she's been famous since the moment cambridge and moment she left cambridge and got on countdown. she got a job on countdown. she don't to arguments don't need to have arguments with baroness mone or about to the about her sex life. the press about her sex life. >> right. surely that's another example stay example of trying to stay relevant. really. relevant. i mean, really. >> someone. yeah, >> but that is someone. yeah, that believing that, of coui'se. >> course. >> and all the plastic surgery . >> and all the plastic surgery. >> and all the plastic surgery. >> on. >> come on. »- >> come on. >> 5 >> she's probably not a millionaire anymore. >> standing sexist. >> you're standing about sexist. very career. very successful career. >> mean, she >> but, i mean, of course, she wants stay relevant. are you? >> if she were trying to stay relevant, she's being sexist because the you're talking because the way you're talking about about about her, you're talking about heryou're she does >> you're saying she just does it be by you. it to be relevant by you. >> benjamin butterworth i'm purely what can >> benjamin butterworth i'm purewith what can >> benjamin butterworth i'm purewith my what can >> benjamin butterworth i'm purewith my own what can see with my own eyes. interesting against woman, interesting against the woman, really just think it's quite really. i just think it's quite evident trying to evident that she's trying to stay relevant. >> well, i'd to be someone >> well, i'd hate to be someone you have some interesting you do have some interesting question, interesting >> there's an interesting question, is question, albion, and that is she weekly bbc radio wales she has a weekly bbc radio wales , believe a programme. , i believe show a programme. yeah the mail saying she's yeah the mail are saying she's got weekly programme on bbc got a weekly programme on bbc wales. think the bbc wales. do you think the bbc should reprimand and say you're

doing a lineker pipe down? >> well, i think it would be difficult for them to make that call now because of what of course they did with gary lineker, which basically condone and that sort of behaviour coming from one of their entertainment presenters. so in order consistent, the bbc order to be consistent, the bbc would have to keep her on air. >> know because >> well, i don't know because that tweets and he that was about tweets and he wasn't the news. there wasn't doing the news. so there may little bit of a may be a little bit of a difference the bbc guideline difference in the bbc guideline ins, flexible ins, which seem rather flexible to say the least. anyway. still to say the least. anyway. still to come benjamin is to come tonight, benjamin is getting heated getting a little bit heated about our of action on about our lack of action on climate change. and i'm wondering that has been. wondering why that has been. tony blair still feels the need to tiresome opinions . to air his tiresome opinions. but coming up next, why do the government drink government want us to drink less? don't we deserve little less? don't we deserve a little fun life ? it's almost time to fun in life? it's almost time to live dream . you're with us live the dream. you're with us saturday, on gb news, saturday, five live on gb news, britain's

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five. as always, cheers very much for all your emails about tonight's topics. dale written in and says, i didn't think it would need saying that we should look after our war heroes. they stood strong in our time of need and what do we do in theirs ? and what do we do in theirs? evict them. regarding albee's topic, diana says carol vorderman is just like meghan markle . she'll say anything to markle. she'll say anything to get in the news and apparently be pumped with anything. but there we are now . now it's time there we are now. now it's time for our next debate. up next, this week's guest presenter reem ibrahim thinks government attempts to make us drink less are another example of a growing nanny state. it's high time we live the dream. imagine living in a world where the government dictates what you drink, what you eat, what you smoke , even you eat, what you smoke, even the amount of sugar that you're allowed in your coke. >> zero. well, the government isn't at the moment seem to be increasing the amount of nanny state measures that they're using to change your lives. now

imagine wanting to make your own lifestyle decisions . the lifestyle decisions. the government wants to change that for the for you. this year, the institute economic affairs institute of economic affairs published nanny state index published the nanny state index , which found on their league table of that the united table of shame that the united kingdom has moved up from 12th to 11th place of nanny state measures . unfortunately, it does measures. unfortunately, it does seem like the government seems to be wanting to create a lot of these nanny state measures in order to control what you do with your lives, whether that be tax cigarettes, whether that tax on cigarettes, whether that be alcohol . this tax on cigarettes, whether that be alcohol. this is be taxes on alcohol. this is this is really quite ridiculous when they're trying to affect your own life individually . now, your own life individually. now, fundamentally, looked at the fundamentally, we looked at the institute of economic affairs fundamentally, we looked at the instituthis: economic affairs fundamentally, we looked at the instituthis week omic affairs fundamentally, we looked at the instituthis week .�*nic affairs fundamentally, we looked at the instituthis week . theyffairs fundamentally, we looked at the instituthis week . they found report this week. they found that actually a ban on alcohol advertisements impact advertisements do not impact consumption. now, this kind of idea has been floated around by the likes of humza from the likes of humza yousaf from the likes of humza yousaf from the snp , but really it's about the snp, but really it's about why government want to why the government want to continuously control the amount that you drink . now the nanny that you drink. now the nanny state have come for your cigarettes, they've for cigarettes, they've come for your and they've come your alcohol and they've come for all sorts of things that

you'd to do with life. you'd like to do with your life. that enjoy it. that mean that you enjoy it. i say we shouldn't them take say we shouldn't let them take our alcohol . say we shouldn't let them take our alcohol. i could drink till the the nanny state. cheers. >> cheers . >> cheers. >> cheers. >> i like that. very. i like that. >> so, darren, i know that you seem to sort of have a similar perspective while you drink. yes, of course. we all do. but you have a similar perspective when nanny when it comes to the nanny state. want you to tell us state. and i want you to tell us a little bit about think a little bit about why you think the seems the nanny state seems to be encroaching individual encroaching on our individual liberty. encroaching on our individual libebecause a really simple >> because for a really simple reason, just don't think any reason, i just don't think any of works right. human of this stuff works right. human beings have always liked naughty things. as soon as we found out about alcohol, you know, jesus christ did fair bit with wine. christ did a fair bit with wine. it actually turns out that we quite like the stuff. we like naughty things , things that are naughty things, things that are bad for but when the snp, bad for us. but when the snp, for which mentioned for example, which you mentioned at the start there in your in your remarks at snp, brought your remarks at the snp, brought in minimum unit pricing for alcohol . now you look at the alcohol. now you look at the evidence around that, what's it done? well it's made alcohol more expensive. yes absolutely.

but at the same time , um, you've but at the same time, um, you've seen drug deaths going up. people are saying, well , i can't people are saying, well, i can't afford my cider anymore . might afford my cider anymore. might as well go out and buy smack instead. terrible stuff. instead. this is terrible stuff. the absurd word consequences of these policies. >> this is taking quite a turn . >> this is taking quite a turn. >> this is taking quite a turn. >> just to add to that point, i don't know if people have switched from alcohol to drugs directly and sometimes they go hand hand , but it certainly hand in hand, but it certainly hasn't with problem hasn't helped with problem drinking. that's what i drinking. and that's what i think government's focus think the government's focus should be on. they should be investing in facilities to help people really people with really bad alcoholism drinkers. alcoholism and problem drinkers. that's what they should focus on. >> how should they pay for it? >> how should they pay for it? >> the irony of nanny state banning, nanny banning advertising just advertising on alcohol is just so ludicrous because we have a massive burgeoning industry of non alcoholic alternatives . this non alcoholic alternatives. this is huge industry for people, is a huge industry for people, actually fewer younger people are drinking than ever before, to according statistics. so it really is that they're trying to ban advertising for a diminishing group. us, diminishing group. all of us, while people are actually adopting healthier lifestyles .

adopting healthier lifestyles. >> absolutely. all of us have to suffer it. suffer as a result of it. i mean, really, you know, when it comes the differences between comes to the differences between the cost of living crisis and the cost of living crisis and the actually the government, then actually sort to the knees, sort of bending to the knees, bending over backwards for pubuc bending over backwards for public we public health lobbyists, we always ends being public health lobbyists, we alwywinner. ends being public health lobbyists, we alwywinner. and ends being public health lobbyists, we alwywinner. and i ends being public health lobbyists, we alwywinner. and i think being public health lobbyists, we alwywinner. and i think thataing the winner. and i think that fundamental it's health fundamental it's about health and know and lifestyle choices. i know that i smoke a cigarette, that when i smoke a cigarette, that's the that's bad for me. the government to tell me government don't need to tell me that. need to hike that. they don't need to hike up pnces that. they don't need to hike up prices that it's really prices so that it's really difficult to able to difficult for me to be able to afford those cigarettes. know afford those cigarettes. i know that but should i that it's bad, but how should i think very good point think you made a very good point about needing about there being there needing to facilities tackle to be more facilities to tackle problem drinking and people with alcoholism. >> i'm all that. i think >> i'm all for that. i think there more facility there should be more facility for with cancer. and for people with lung cancer. and the amazing the most amazing cancer treatments that treatments to treat people that have example. have lung cancer, for example. but you propose we pay but how do you propose we pay for it? you guys, apart from benjamin, all go on about how high tax burden is. in fact, high the tax burden is. in fact, i think benjamin, definitely i think benjamin, i definitely have that . have even gone on about that. but have to pay for things but we have to pay for things and as a social and actually i as a social smoker, i'm not opposed to paying smoker, i'm not opposed to paying for expensive cigarettes in order to pay for the health.

maybe you can afford it. but later on in life , as someone later on in life, as someone that's graduating, that's just graduating, i universities, i don't think that's trade off. you that's a bad trade off. if you if service , then you if you need a service, then you should pay for it somehow. if it's not going to be paid for at the of use, it's paid the point of use, then it's paid through tax. through via tax. >> i'll you what >> well, i'll tell you what a nonsense because nonsense argument, because banning advertising will just reduce money. but banning advertising will just r> through taxation, if >> so through taxation, if there's make here, there's two points to make here, there's two points to make here, the reason it puts a burden the reason why it puts a burden on the state is because, of course got a national course we've got a national health means that course we've got a national healifestyle means that course we've got a national healifestyle choices means that course we've got a national healifestyle choices are eans that my lifestyle choices are impacted by the people. >> by >> it's all paid for by a socialist health care system. but of money i mean, but the amount of money i mean, if you really want to save the nhs, buying more cigarettes, the amount of money that end up amount of money that we end up paying amount of money that we end up paying whenever we paying in taxation whenever we buy actually means buy a cigarette actually means that fool that i've just

buy a cigarette actually means that i'm fool that i've just buy a cigarette actually means that i'm fooled,it i've just said i'm fooled, that it's absolutely unfair. >> all, so you're >> first of all, so you're saying that you don't believe that should have health that people should have health care free at the point of use? that's appear have that's what you appear to have justwhat i what to say, no >> what i what i want to say, no yes no will suffice. yes or no will suffice. >> see is yes or >> what i want to see is yes or no. 110. >> no. >> you want you want to ask about my views on health care reform. to see the reform. i would like to see the united kingdom actually establish care establish a better health care system of system like the likes of germany, the germany, sweden, denmark, the netherlands, politicians answer i've heard. still free at netherlands, politicians answer i've point heard. still free at netherlands, politicians answer i've point ofard. still free at netherlands, politicians answer i've point of use.still free at the point of use. >> then, of course, it's >> and then, of course, it's important that are important to note that you are in of the pro—smoking lobby. >> you know, they've they've given you an award. they give you free dinners and you slap up free dinners and wine, know, important you slap up free dinners and wi note know, important you slap up free dinners and wi note that|ow, important you slap up free dinners and wi note that that important you slap up free dinners and wi note that that amportant you slap up free dinners and wi note that that a ludicrous to note that that is a ludicrous thatis to note that that is a ludicrous that is a ludicrous. >> truth is that if >> and the truth is that if you're advertising you're talking about advertising and effect on and whether it has an effect on habit, well, first of all, you know, on do you think know, why on earth do you think people adverts pay tens, people pay for adverts pay tens, hundreds millions in hundreds of millions in advertising hundreds of millions in adverti me finish. i'm going to >> let me finish. i'm going to anyone at home or anyone at home listening or watching that watching this believe that benjamin butterworth would say no slap meal from a no to a slap up meal from a tobacco lobbyist, because i certainly it certainly don't think look, it obviously affects people's behaviour . in

obviously affects people's behaviour. in was it, behaviour. and in what was it, the 2000 or the late 90s, the early 2000 or the late 90s, they advertising they ended smoking advertising for smoking products and totally right. what effect did it have? did smoking fall or smoking ? did smoking fall or smoking? >> smoking has fallen not as a result of the ban on smoking indoors or as a result of natural consequence. no the reason we've seen smoking reason why we've seen smoking rates decline is because we've introduced vaping, and vaping has complete has been the most complete nonsense been the nonsense. vaping has been the most vaping has been the most successful tool to allow people to quit smoking, smoking rates have been falling since the 90s when vapes have been around for what the last two, three, four years. >> they've been around for not not adoption. not in mainstream adoption. >> e—cigarettes have been the most effective tool to allow people to quit smoking. >> the evidence, the evidence that things make go that these things make you go and that if you were and buy them is that if you were to of television on to put on lots of television on a night, much worse a saturday night, much worse television, full of television, it'll be full of fast adverts because people fast food adverts because people go and pizza on saturday night. >> patronising reason why >> so patronising reason why adverts so patronising to adverts you're so patronising to british people. >> you're effectively saying that how that they don't know how to control lives. they

control their own lives. they don't. they're nanny state should actually control their lives, banning them, banning people alcohol people from buying alcohol or smoking cigarettes . smoking cigarettes. >> you're letting them >> no. what, you're letting them kill and? kill themselves with wine and? >> enough. that's enough >> that's enough. that's enough . enough. let's . let's just had enough. let's see what you home actually see what you at home actually think please do get think about that. please do get in me what you in touch. let me know what you think nanny state. we think about the nanny state. we always views on always have different views on this. we seem to divided as this. we seem to be divided as a country whether to country about whether to tell people to to what people what to do and to what eat to smoke and all eat and what to smoke and all that. ahead, that. but anyway, still ahead, our climate change our approach to climate change is getting benjamin a little hot under but before we under the collar. but before we find get find out about that, let's get your weather. your latest weather. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vawter here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . hope you're able to met office. hope you're able to enjoy some of the sunny spells we have around today, we did have around today, but there still some showers there are still some showers lingering tonight into lingering on tonight and into tomorrow, particularly for northern ireland, western scotland, still northern ireland, western scochance still northern ireland, western scochance that still northern ireland, western scochance that some still northern ireland, western scochance that some sthose the chance that some of those could be heavy. a few pushing into england, wales, could be heavy. a few pushing into the england, wales,

could be heavy. a few pushing into the bristol1d, wales, could be heavy. a few pushing into the bristol channel;, through the bristol channel area. eastern of area. but eastern areas of england drier england generally staying drier with clear intervals. it's with some clear intervals. it's not to too chilly not going to be too chilly overnight for most of us, holding around 12 to 14 c holding up around 12 to 14 c might drop into single figures across the far north—east of scotland. gerald, from the word go as well for central scotland pushing their way down further south england as south into northern england as well. the chance that well. still, the chance that they be maybe the they could be heavy, maybe the odd dunng they could be heavy, maybe the odd during the odd rumble of thunder during the day well. for southwest, day as well. for the southwest, though, to see the though, we are going to see the cloud outbreaks of cloud building as outbreaks of rain push their way in for wales, southwest england, then rain push their way in for walenorthern vest england, then rain push their way in for walenorthern ireland|land, then into northern ireland and eventually southeast england into northern ireland and eventon.ly southeast england into northern ireland and eventon assoutheast england into northern ireland and eventon as wellieast england into northern ireland and eventon as well .ast england into northern ireland and eventon as well . wherejland into northern ireland and eventon as well . where you! into northern ireland and eventon as well . where you do later on as well. where you do hold to the sunshine, though, hold on to the sunshine, though, climbing around 21, climbing to highs around 21, 22 c. that area of low pressure that's bringing this rain will steadily progressing its way eastwards . overnight, light eastwards. overnight, light winds further to the north where those isobars are spaced. well apart, squeezing together apart, but squeezing together across the south, quite across the south, really quite breezy. first thing on monday morning, potential 40 mile morning, potential for 40 mile an hour along some coast morning, potential for 40 mile antherr along some coast morning, potential for 40 mile anthe english along some coast morning, potential for 40 mile anthe english channel.ne coast morning, potential for 40 mile anthe english channel. thesest of the english channel. these outbreaks of rain still lingering in places as well. a few for central few brighter spells for central england, best of the england, but the best of the

sunshine reserved for sunshine certainly reserved for northern scotland . and northern areas of scotland. and there'll further showers as there'll be further showers as we the of the we do head into the rest of the week well . otherwise, enjoy we do head into the rest of the wee rest well . otherwise, enjoy we do head into the rest of the wee rest olel . otherwise, enjoy we do head into the rest of the wee rest of your)therwise, enjoy we do head into the rest of the wee rest of your eveningz, enjoy we do head into the rest of the wee rest of your evening by njoy we do head into the rest of the wee rest of your evening by byy the rest of your evening by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> so we're not all burning alive. but anyway, i'm very much looking forward to hearing benjamin's plan to solve climate change. look outside. not a lot of it. but before that, it's the carver palaver. as emily asks why tony blair remember him, has suddenly decided to weigh in on every topic under the sun. you're with gb

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disgraceful all the way. the world veteran has been world war two veteran has been treated . thanks for highlighting treated. thanks for highlighting this. you get my victoria this. well you get my victoria cross tonight for doing so. he goes on tonight. that's very kind. reims topic, sue kind. regarding reims topic, sue says it's a pity mps don't follow their own nanny state proposals. they get drunk on work premises on subsidised alcohol paid for by us, the taxpayer . exactly when albie taxpayer. exactly when albie amankona is in there, it'll be exactly the same . now it's time exactly the same. now it's time for our next discussion. up next, it's emily and she's wondering why. former pm tony blair is back on the scene. it's time for the carver palaver. >> yes. does anyone else notice that he's been piping up? >> he's been quite vocal recently , but he did say recently, but he did say something quite sensible this week in an interview about climate change. he suggested that costly green policies here in the uk are futile because our carbon emissions are dwarfed by countries like china . the that countries like china. the that is demonstrably the case. leading by example is one thing, but no ulez scheme or heat pump

rollout is going to have the slightest impact on the global temperature. i think that's quite obvious. it's quite amusing actually to see blair, the liberal the great liberal internationalist , appear internationalist, appear a little sceptical of net zero little sceptical of the net zero drive. how unfashionable him. drive. how unfashionable of him. but week he said something but this week he said something a little sensible to tony a little less sensible to tony blair said brexit. it continues to fill him with a constant sadness. to fill him with a constant sadness . to be fair, it's hardly sadness. to be fair, it's hardly surprising he feels a little down in the dumps about it all. after all, it was his ambition to be president of europe before the british people took the british people rudely took that away him , that opportunity away from him, wasn't seems he has wasn't it? now it seems he has greater though, to be greater ambitions, though, to be the of the world, or the president of the world, or at to a prime at least to craft a prime minister in his minister keir starmer in his image. but anyway, what annoyed me was his assertion that a future generation will take britain back into the european union. he seemed quite certain about that, as if it is brexit voters that are stuck in the past. in my view , it's the likes past. in my view, it's the likes of tony blair who are the ones who are stuck in the past. actually he may be gutted that we've european union, we've left the european union, but majority of have

but the vast majority of us have accepted, if not welcomed wholeheartedly, the public's decision. either way, it looks like he very much the ear of like he very much has the ear of keir starmer and that can only mean trouble . so there we go. mean trouble. so there we go. there's my thoughts on tony blair's interventions. this week. darren, what do you make of tony blair and the way he is asserting himself ? asserting himself? >> one might say i think it's very clear that tony blair is going to have one hell of a lot of influence if the polls are correct. and sir keir starmer is in number 10 and i'm not sure that's especially a good thing because he disagrees, even with benjamin butterworth on climate change net zero, he agrees change on net zero, he agrees with me. darren grimes so , you with me. darren grimes so, you know, you're fallen hero, but we'll get that in a second we'll get onto that in a second because he also is pushing these digital id cards and things like that. and his institute's going really big on these things. and i say , who are his funders? i say, who are his funders? right. that's one question that you always ask. remember him well? tony blair's well? who are tony blair's funders ? who's funding him to funders? who's funding him to push wacky , zany, push all of these wacky, zany, maybe son? well i mean,

maybe his son? well i mean, there are a whole host of people. it could be. are there firms that are set to make some cash out of digital id cards? he was all for covid passports and all these other things. well, he he does he not provide consultants to governments around the world. 600. he has his fingers in pies, tony. his fingers in many pies, tony. he definitely does. and i wish he keep his fingers out of he would keep his fingers out of the pie, i'll tell you the british pie, i'll tell you that much for free. because anything turns anything that man touches turns his poisoned. if his poisoned. frankly, if fairness to tony, sir tony blair. >> sorry. excuse me. i accidentally didn't include his entire title there. >> one man, sir, is another man's princess. i don't know. anyway he's not only been influential on keir starmers potential government, you know, the labour shadow cabinet. >> he was also very influential on the boris johnson led government during the covid vaccine period because of course it was tony blair's institute that came up with the idea of only administer airing half the vaccine. so that you could administer more people, more

vaccines to more people more quickly . so actually, he's not quickly. so actually, he's not just influential on the left. >> only half a vaccine. >> he only got half a vaccine. well the outrage, it was a smaller dose that advice was smaller dose that his advice was that advice wasn't. >> it was actually followed. so actually managed actually, he's managed to fashion himself as probably the most influential ex—prime minister that we've ever had. >> and he was the most influential prime minister. you know, he won more votes than margaret thatcher. he's the most successful post—war prime minister at the ballot box. he ruled for ten longer ruled for ten years longer success that the longest actually . and the truth is that actually. and the truth is that you look at when he was in charge. well economic growth was higher. people's salaries were higher. people's salaries were higher. the number of boats coming was lower, nhs coming over was lower, the nhs was , the tax burden was was lower, the tax burden was lower. the nhs waiting times were lower. he did a sight better job than the political history and just history. >> you do know we then had a financial crash and since then our economy has been quite stagnant , our economy has been quite stagnant, which is a real shame. but i'm not sure how. tony.

>> tony blair's the only prime minister out of these tetchy waters who had every single quarter of his premiership have economic growth. quarter of his premiership have ecocan ic growth. quarter of his premiership have eco can youowth. quarter of his premiership have ecocan you imagine right >> can you imagine that right now? you look at now? and so when you look at someone managed to make tens someone who managed to make tens of millions of people's lives better and safer, then i think thatis better and safer, then i think that is something we should take higher. >> at the end of tony blair's government than under a conservative. >> the top rate of tax was 40% in two thousand and seven. >> unemployment has been higher under the end of every labour under at the end of every labour government then, compared to unemployment after the unemployment went up after the financial it was a it financial crash and it was a it was higher under gordon brown than it is right now. >> so at the end of the last tony blair was unemployment, unemployment lower unemployment higher or lower than the end of blair. >> it was about the same as now, i suspect, because tony blair's premiership of low premiership was the start of low unemployment moment. unemployment at the moment. >> not necessarily >> but that's not necessarily a good thing. economic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a thing. economic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result. economic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of :onomic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of the mic more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of the fact more >> but that's not necessarily a g01a result of the fact thatnore as a result of the fact that we've amounts of we've got huge amounts of vacancies. with tony vacancies. the problem with tony blair that he does mean, blair is that he does i mean, talk the nanny state talk about the nanny state measures. he banned measures. i mean, he banned cigarette smoking inside pubs, which 12,000 pubs which killed off 12,000 pubs in england. better than england. and wales, better than killing 12,000 people.

england. and wales, better than killwell, 12,000 people. england. and wales, better than killwell, we ,000 people. england. and wales, better than killwell, we can) people. england. and wales, better than killwell, we can) peagree england. and wales, better than killwell, we can) pe agree that >> well, we can all agree that tony blair is a bad man. so still ahead, though , the still ahead, though, the greatest minds the planet, greatest minds on the planet, like sir tony blair, i daresay he would argue they've all tried to fix climate change. now these towering intellects of science and all the rest of it have failed to do so. so our very own benjamin butterworth , he's going benjamin butterworth, he's going to have a go at solving that particular crisis . you're with particular crisis. you're with the saturday five live on .

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says that the world is getting to a point where the air is unbreathable and the heat is unbearable this month, july is expected to be the hottest on record, maybe the hottest in 120,000 years. is july sixth, was the hottest day ever recorded and the five hottest years have all been since 2015. and the problem is that some people aren't taking it as seriously as they should, as we watch rhodes, the canary islands , sicily, switzerland, all having massive wildfires that are consuming their country and ruining their tourist seasons. still, some people don't act . still, some people don't act. that's why britain needs to take action against this . otherwise, action against this. otherwise, we as an island nation will face disaster ourselves. will you be happy when norfolk is under water? when our trains and planes don't move , when our planes don't move, when our national drainage system means that we have floods just like, say, germany did last year, their worst floods ever. and

dare i say it , their worst floods ever. and dare i say it, something that is close to lots of gb news viewers hearts in this nation will go through the roof because as half the world becomes unliveable , the world becomes unliveable, millions will turn up on our shores as being one of the few places that won't be affected for a bit longer. that's why you need to take your tinfoil hats off and start tackling climate change. now emily, you're back from a sunny holiday. do you recognise the problems ? i was recognise the problems? i was just wondering , benjamin, just wondering, benjamin, considering we are heading towards a climate catastrophe , i towards a climate catastrophe, i would have thought that someone who cares so much about the boiling planet that we face that they might kerb their own jet setting lifestyle. well, you know, i went to nepal, which is what you're referring to . and i what you're referring to. and i and the rest i travelled around nepal in a bus , which is a very nepal in a bus, which is a very carbon . carbon. >> did you want that in your sandals? but do you know what the other one you tried to mock about a very serious topic and actually it's true. >> you can't even keep you make

it so easy. >> but there are millions of people being seriously affected on other parts of the world. and one thing that makes me proud of our king is that he recognises a lot of those countries are in the commonwealth. lot of those countries are in the ccompletelylth. lot of those countries are in the (completely agree with you >> i completely agree with you on that one. there are many countries world that are countries in this world that are suffering flooding, suffering from flooding, suffering from flooding, suffering extreme weather suffering from flooding, sufferirabsolutely reme weather suffering from flooding, sufferirabsolutely true weather suffering from flooding, sufferirabsolutely true andither that is absolutely true and that's why i think we should be focusing massively on mitigation , because fewer people are actually dying of extreme weather than they used to in the past. and that is because we've put so much energy innovation . put so much energy innovation. the greatest have come up the greatest minds have come up with to allow live in these. >> more people are dying of the cold and right. and actually, when it comes to greece and italy , arsonists are responsible italy, arsonists are responsible , not the big bad climate. >> darren. they would be the fires wouldn't have spread so quickly were the ground not so dry and there was not so much climate change summertime. >> but it is greece . it's hot. >> but it is greece. it's hot. in greece, it is much hotter in europe at the moment than it has

ever been. >> but benjamin, i do think you've got to be careful with some of the statistics that you use, because i think actually use, because i think it actually detracts quite an detracts from what is quite an important when you say important argument when you say things has been the things like this has been the hottest in 120,000 years. hottest month in 120,000 years. that's what the experts say when thermometers were invented in 1624. so i just think it's a stupid comment . comments like stupid comment. comments like that are quite we've just got one. one. >> one. >> we've got little time. but i want to bring up this graph that i've got from london, london's air quality showing that it's actually been better for, well, many lifetimes actually . so many lifetimes actually. so arguably, actually all of this stuff is a con look at that. >> they want you to say that people like people that are sceptical of climate change are people in tinfoil hats. >> they are. and that >> of course they are. and that is ludicrous. >> of course they are. and that is look ludicrous. >> of course they are. and that is look at|dicrous. >> of course they are. and that is look at this, us. >> of course they are. and that is look at this, reem air >> look at this, reem london air pollution, pollution and pollution, air pollution and climate obviously not pollution, air pollution and clin same obviously not pollution, air pollution and clin same thing. obviously not the same thing. >> tell you're not >> i can tell you're not a scientist, ulez. but look. well, that just shows you our that just shows you that our attitudes have that attitudes that have meant that we fewer cars 50 we have far fewer cars than 50 years london have years ago on london streets have worked. you think like worked. so if you think like catalytic, we have a lot more

people i know , i know your ditzy people i know, i know your ditzy at the best of times, but if you were looking at graph, you were looking at that graph, you would getting rid of would know that getting rid of cars on the roads a good cars on the roads is a good thing. now, may agree with cars on the roads is a good thinin now, may agree with cars on the roads is a good thinin there may agree with cars on the roads is a good thinin there now,nay agree with cars on the roads is a good thinin there now, as' agree with cars on the roads is a good thinin there now, as you ee with cars on the roads is a good thinin there now, as you say, ith cars on the roads is a good thinin there now, as you say, but me in there now, as you say, but that's not a result of banning cars banning those of cars or banning those kind of sort of measures. >> actually, it's about a technological and technological innovation and about and actually, about advancement and actually, because brightest and the because the brightest and the best our world have been able best of our world have been able to advancements to create these advancements like , but you've like us, of course, but you've been to create these been able to create these advancements that advancements which mean that actually mitigate actually we are able to mitigate climate don't like climate change. so i don't like these measures . let's these draconian measures. let's actually market actually let the free market work. we you work. but would we but did you like the draconian measures, for example, petrol example, of petrol drive petrol users having to use unleaded petrol , for example? absolutely. petrol, for example? absolutely. catalytic converters. >> those were regulations put in place, draconian measures, as you might call them, to clean up. >> let's end this show on a moment of agreement, because reem absolutely right. the reem is absolutely right. the answer to this in having answer to this is in having greener technology. britain is a science in world. we science leader in the world. we have of the best have some of the best universities and best scientists and i think dare and that's why i think dare i say starmer is right

say it, keir starmer is right that should huge that we should put a huge amount of investment britain of investment to make britain lead that's going to lead because that's going to shape . shape the next century. >> right. well, we're going >> all right. well, we're going to leave there. sadly to have to leave it there. sadly i definitely gone i could have definitely gone back i want to say back on that, but i want to say thank you very much to our brilliant guests for tonight. we meet who has been one meet brahim, who has been one powerful but steve has written in saying reem smoke cakes and dnnks in saying reem smoke cakes and drinks my sort of girl. in saying reem smoke cakes and drinks my sort of girl . well, drinks my sort of girl. well, there we are. you could do it on there we are. you could do it on the horizon. nigel says if the population has to listen to the likes of butterworth, likes of benjamin butterworth, it's not surprising people take to drink . i couldn't agree with to drink. i couldn't agree with you more. that might been to drink. i couldn't agree with you nfarage.1t might been to drink. i couldn't agree with you nfarage. nextjht been to drink. i couldn't agree with you nfarage. next up, been to drink. i couldn't agree with you nfarage. next up, it's been to drink. i couldn't agree with you nfarage. next up, it's theen nigel farage. next up, it's the brilliant dolan. cheers brilliant mark dolan. cheers very for watching. i'll see very much for watching. i'll see you again next week. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar are proud sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. hope you're able to enjoy some of the sunny spells we did have around today, but

there are still some showers lingering tonight into lingering on tonight and into tomorrow, for tomorrow, particularly for northern ireland, western scotland where there's still the chance could chance that some of those could be few pushing into be heavy. a few pushing into western england, wales through the bristol channel area. but eastern areas of england generally eastern areas of england gener.clear intervals. it's not some clear intervals. it's not going to be chilly overnight going to be too chilly overnight for us holding around for most of us holding up around 12 to 14 c might drop into single figures across the far north—east of scotland . showers north—east of scotland. showers from the word go as well for central scotland pushing their way down further south into northern england still northern england as well. still the chance that they could be heavy, the odd rumble of heavy, maybe the odd rumble of thunder as well . thunder during the day as well. as the southwest, we as for the southwest, though, we are the are going to see the cloud building outbreaks rain building as outbreaks of rain push their way for wales, push their way in for wales, southwest then southwest england, then into northern eventually southwest england, then into northern england eventually southwest england, then into northern england laterentually southwest england, then into northern england later on ually southwest england, then into northern england later on asly southeast england later on as well, where do hold on to well, where you do hold on to the , though, climbing the sunshine, though, climbing to around 21, 22 c. that to highs around 21, 22 c. that area of low pressure that's bringing this rain will steadily progressing its way eastwards overnight. light winds further to the north where those isobars are spaced, well apart, but squeezing across the squeezing together across the south, really quite breezy first thing on monday morning,

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