gb news. >> it's 9:00. this is dan wootton tonight with me, mark dolan with you all week as an alleged sex scandal threatens to engulf the bbc and they refuse to name the alleged star involved. >> we'll be bringing you exclusive reaction to this bombshell developing media story. the alleged victims lawyers say the whole thing is rubbish, but the sun newspaper and the mother are standing by their story. who to believe .7 their story. who to believe? i'll have my say in my digest before my superstar panel offer their views. tonight, we're joined by carole malone, belgium in butterworth and belinda deluise . after that, we'll get deluise. after that, we'll get the unfiltered verdicts of

former bbc star gb news very own neil oliver. the iconic former editor of the sun , who, of editor of the sun, who, of course, are at the heart of the story, kelvin mackenzie. and kelvin, let me tell you, has a lot to say on this. he's live in the studio later in the show. you won't want to miss it. plus the man who helped uncover jimmy the man who helped uncoverjimmy savile, top investigative journalist mark williams—thomas. he'll his say on the state he'll have his say on the state broadcaster's handling of these shocking allegations . evans also shocking allegations. evans also coming up, top royal scoop getter, the spectators car a kennedy reveals how prince harry hasn't just lost his family and his country, but his mates as well, who we are told, have deserted him after his, quote , deserted him after his, quote, disgusting behaviour. we'll bnng disgusting behaviour. we'll bring you the latest on the isolated prince shortly . and as isolated prince shortly. and as even lefty tory, ken clark backs the rwanda plan , should the the rwanda plan, should the government take on the woke unelected peers in the house of lords in order to stop the boats? we'll debate that and of course, let me tell you so much

more in the media buzz on tomorrow's front page is on the way too hot off the press. will the sun carry the mother's response to the lawyers? emphatic denial of their story. we know the have we know the sun will have something want to something you won't want to miss. tomorrow's papers. plus, we'll crowning another we'll be crowning another greatest britain and union jackass before the night is out. this is dan wootton tonight. with me, mark dolan . it's going with me, mark dolan. it's going to a couple of hours. to be a lively couple of hours. let's . let's go. you're watching gb news, britain's news channel, my digest on this shocking developing bbc scandal in just a couple of minutes. first, the headunes couple of minutes. first, the headlines with ray addison . headlines with ray addison. >> thanks, mark. and good evening to you. our top story and breaking in the last half houn and breaking in the last half hour, the parents of the young person at the centre of the bbc presenter scandal say they stand

by their claims. that's according to the sun newspaper . according to the sun newspaper. now it comes after a lawyer representing the youngster told the corporation that their mother's allegations were, quote, rubbish and nothing inappropriate or unlawful happened. it follows reports that a male presenter paid a teenager for explicit photos earlier today, met police detectives, said that they will work to establish if there is any evidence of a criminal offence. yesterday the bbc announced that it had suspended the star almost two months after a complaint was first made. a teenager has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after a teacher was stabbed at tewkesbury academy in gloucestershire . the secondary gloucestershire. the secondary school was put into temporary lockdown along with two neighbouring schools following concerns that the suspect may have fled the scene. police say they do not believe that the incident was terror related . us incident was terror related. us president joe biden has completed his brief tour of the uk after meetings with the prime

minister and the king. he's now travelled to lithuania for a two day nato summit, which starts tomorrow. mr biden was given a warm welcome at windsor castle, where he discussed climate issues with king charles. that followed a meeting earlier on with rishi sunak at downing street, where despite recent tensions over ukraine, both leaders paid tribute to the special relationship between the two countries. nato chief jens stoltenberg says turkey has agreed now to support sweden's bid to join the alliance force. the announcement comes after the nato chief held talks with the president of turkey and the prime minister of sweden earlier this evening, erdogan met with charles michel, head of the european council. erdogan has also demanded that a path must now be made for turkey to join the eu . a coroner has ruled that the eu. a coroner has ruled that british victims of an ethiopian airlines crash were unlawfully

killed when a boeing 737 max crashed en route from addis ababa to nairobi in 2019. all 157 passengers and crew died in the disaster, including humanitarian workers. samuel pegram and sustainability campaigner joanna toole. investigators found that a flying control system had malfunctioned, causing the aircraft to dive uncontrolled glibly. boeing was fined £18 billion after employees were found to have misled regulators about the system . we're on tv about the system. we're on tv onune about the system. we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to . to. mark >> thanks, ray. it's mark dolan in for the brilliant dan wootton this week . great to have your this week. great to have your company. well, one thing's for

sure, amid this alleged bbc sex scandal , sure, amid this alleged bbc sex scandal, will a certain phillip schofield breathes a huge sigh of relief . i've got no doubt he of relief. i've got no doubt he enjoyed an extra glass of pinot grigio last night as he reflected on a set of allegations against a bbc star, which takes the heat off him for a while. now, it's ironic that the bbc, who gave the world eastenders a responsible for their own real life soap opera, or should i say farce as one presenter after another has to quickly go on twitter and say , quickly go on twitter and say, it's not me, guv. from major household names to obscure local weathermen, they've all distanced themselves from the story . the only big bbc names we story. the only big bbc names we haven't heard from so far are pingu pudsey bear and mr blobby . i've always thought that blobby was a wrong'un by withholding the identity of this star, the bbc are taking all of us for children. they're treating us like idiots. if they persist in withholding information which is in the

national interest, information which is in the national interest , that will national interest, that will only fuel speculation about whether the story is true or not. the sun's coverage of the story, including a first hand account from the alleged victim's mother, once again demonstrates the importance of a free press as and i think the paper will release the name of this big star in the coming days or even the coming hours , or even the coming hours, something the bbc haven't got the balls to do. there unwillingness to act, especially as early as may the 19th, when the first complaint was made, raises a major question marks about the systems they have in place for this kind of shocking allegation. it's ironic, isn't it, because they were far less judicial when they sent a helicopter to poor old cliff richard's house amid allegations which turned out to be completely untrue . so they're completely untrue. so they're happy to point the finger at a true british cultural icon like cliff . but they want to protect cliff. but they want to protect the identity of one of their own. why well, the bbc said they didn't get more serious

allegations until thursday , and allegations until thursday, and they've been following their protocols . so, of course, we protocols. so, of course, we should reserve judgement. they may have done all the right things at every stage. time will tell . plus, the alleged tell. plus, the alleged perpetrator may be innocent of any crime after all. a lawyer representing the alleged victim has said the mother's story is complete rubbish, but she has since hit out standing by her exclusive explosive claims. either way , withholding the either way, withholding the identity of this individual will cause more damage when it's finally revealed. and at the moment, the beeb leave themselves exposed to claims of a cover up, particularly given that their bosses allegedly parted with the individual at a posh award ceremony after these allegations were made. we have a right to know who this person is, given the fact that we literally pay their wages money, that if this story is true, was allegedly used to feed the crack cocaine , cocaine addiction of an cocaine, cocaine addiction of an innocent teenager. listen, folks

, it is question time for the bbc and at the moment, they are the weakest link response . now, the weakest link response. now, all my superstar panel daily express columnist carole malone , journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth , and former benjamin butterworth, and former brexit party mep and political commentator belinda deluise. now before we get straight into this story, let me bring you up to date on what's been said so far. the met police have said there is no investigation at this stage. and a letter from the lawyer of the alleged victim to the bbc denies claims the bbc denies the claims outright. it said, for the avoidance of doubt, nothing inappropriate unlawful has inappropriate or unlawful has taken place between our client and the bbc personality and the allegations reported in the sun newspaper are rubbish . but the newspaper are rubbish. but the sun have responded in a statement to the broadcaster. we have reported a story about two very concerned parents who made a complaint to the bbc about the behaviour of a presenter and the welfare of their child. their complaint was not acted upon by the bbc. we've seen evidence

that supports their concerns. it's now for the bbc to properly investigate. however, breaking tonight, the mum at the centre of the scandal has now told the sun it is sad, but we stand by our accounts and we hope they get the help they need. we did this to help and the presenter has got into their head . and how has got into their head. and how did they afford a lawyer ? the did they afford a lawyer? the stepfather added, we're disappointed that they made a statement. it's not true. so there's disagreement between the individual and their parents. what do we all think about this? beunda what do we all think about this? belinda deluise. i mean, it's he said she said, isn't it at the moment? >> i mean, it's like an episode of the colbys or dynasty or something. but i actually feel for the parents a lot here. you know, i've got teenage kids and just hypothetically saying if one of them had got into a similar situation, allegedly me and i felt that she was being taken advantage of or there was some kind of trap national event

that happened between a very, you know, famous or rich guy and my child. and that was , you my child. and that was, you know, funding some kind of drug habit, hypothetically , i would habit, hypothetically, i would be utterly outraged, upset. i'd be utterly outraged, upset. i'd be phoning the bbc every single day. i'm so sad the bbc didn't necessarily act on it in the way it should. and i do think if they'd received a call from the mother, they should have invited the mother in and started investigations there and maybe sent to the star on a little absent leave of absence or something. or did a holly willoughby and gave him the shingles for two weeks or something and just let him, you know, spend a bit of time away from tv instead it sounds like they've just let it go on and on. i don't think they're the on. i don't think they're in the wrong by the way, for not saying the of the person. i do the name of the person. i do think it's just an accusation think if it's just an accusation from the may, they're from the 19th of may, they're innocent until guilty. innocent until proven guilty. and protect everyone and i think to protect everyone here, just when an accusation is made, you shouldn't suspended here, just when an accusation is

misacked. shouldn't suspended here, just when an accusation is misacked. there dn't suspended here, just when an accusation is misacked. there needs suspended here, just when an accusation is misacked. there needs t01spended here, just when an accusation is misacked. there needs to be ended or sacked. there needs to be hard evidence because it destroys careers, this kind of accusation. i do feel for accusation. but i do feel for the parents right now. >> carol, late in the >> well, carol, late in the afternoon , thought story afternoon, we thought this story was go away because was starting to go away because you've a lawyer representing you've got a lawyer representing the alleged victim who said it's all nonsense, it's all rubbish. nothing to here. at that nothing to see here. at that point, and the team said, point, myself and the team said, all right, look, know, all right, well, look, you know, this one's of this is this one's a bit of a mountain out of a molehill, but the mum struck back and the the mum has struck back and the sun newspaper are standing their ground. so to believe? ground. so who to believe? >> problem isn't my >> my problem isn't with any. my problem the bbc. did did problem is with the bbc. did did it nothing from the jimmy it learn nothing from the jimmy savile scandal ? and the scandal savile scandal? and the scandal of that was the cover up that went on for years and years and years when the bbc didn't act and let all this go on the bbc has had this complaint since may the 19th. it's dragged its heels over taking any action and the only point it ever did decide to take some action was when it was approached by the sun newspaper last week. so it's had six weeks to do something. my feeling is that it didn't take the

complaint seriously and you would think it would learn from that. there are tory mps tonight saying the bbc is a haven for and they want the bbc defunded because of it . and let's remind because of it. and let's remind people what what they're talking about. they're talking about stuart hall, they're talking about rolf harris. they're talking about jimmy savile, the bbc ought to know by now it is accountable to us. we pay for its very existence. we pay for the salaries of all these obscenely paid presenters. we ought to know what's going on. it is in the public interest. if a star presenter is doing what has been alleged in this case. we have to be so careful here because we can't even talk about the gender of the person now, when we certainly can't say the name of the presenter. but the thing everyone in the media thing is, everyone in the media knows the name of the present owner and anyone with access to the internet, particularly twitter , knows completely well. twitter, knows completely well. so this name is going to come out at some point in the very

near future. and the bbc is idiotic for yet again dragging its heels on this after the jimmy savile thing debacle, they made a, quote, profound and heartfelt apology and said this would never happen again. and what has happened here? we don't know what's actually gone on. but what we do know has happened is they have attempted a cover up or they have done nothing. both things are well, i think cover up is quite strong language. >> and of course, we cannot speculate as to who the individuals are. individuals involved are. and i won't even if it was made, even if you've got internet access, because nobody dodi knows other than parties involved . than the parties involved. >> look, know, when i was at >> look, you know, when i was at school, i won an award for outstanding contribution to sport me by sport that was handed to me by stuart hall. so fair to say that's longer on the that's no longer on the mantelpiece. >> won an award for >> but you won an award for sport, just amazingly well done i >>i -- >> i was chasing the biscuits . >> i was chasing the biscuits. >> i was chasing the biscuits. >> okay. but the thing is, it's all tittle tattle. i mean, you can't go on the internet to find out what's going on here. this is exclusive information related to involved.

to the parties involved. the police it, and police have looked at it, and the are clearly pursuing the bbc are clearly pursuing some kind of investigation. >> mark, thought your your >> mark, i thought your your digest, your monologue was completely wrong. it would be totally inappropriate for the bbc to name this person someone for whom we know they have now reported the claims to the met police and the police say there was nothing to investigate. i'm going to finish. please, please don't interrupt because you're misleading. >> only a reporter to the >> it was only a reporter to the police yesterday by the bbc yesterday. of course . please yesterday. so of course. please do interrupt me . i'm going to do interrupt me. i'm going to interrupt. >> you're not gone, but i'm really it'll go wrong, so really scared it'll go wrong, so don't. be the mother. don't. you might be the mother. >> wear sandals. >> you wear sandals. >> you wear sandals. >> the mother, according to her own claim in the sun, did not report it to the police for three years. that she says it's been going on. the met say they aren't investigating the lawyer for person says for the young person says it didn't happen. the idea that when you have that set of circumstances is someone should be named and dragged through the mud is wrong and tonight they

should be talking about, you know, i'm not talking about you, carol, be named. >> i'm not talking about what you have invested negated. you said have invested negated. >> i'm talking about what mark said, you all. said, not you at all. >> it's entirely >> well, i think it's entirely about mark, because the bottom >> well, i think it's entirely abotismark, because the bottom >> well, i think it's entirely abotis you'veecause the bottom >> well, i think it's entirely abotis you've gothe the bottom >> well, i think it's entirely abotis you've got famousbottom >> well, i think it's entirely abotis you've got famous othern line is you've got famous other presenters who have to go online saying wasn't me, you know, saying it wasn't me, you know, so the bbc? they get so who were the bbc? they get tarred same brush with tarred with the same brush with the protecting here by not the bbc protecting here by not investigating this. the bbc protecting here by not inv> trying speak >> i was trying to speak carefully i wasn't talking carefully and i wasn't talking about about about you. i was talking about mark. wasn't talking about mark. i wasn't talking about you at all. mark. i wasn't talking about you at (you're saying there is no >> you're saying there is no investigation ? investigation? >> haven't finished my >> ian, i haven't finished my comments, but go on. >> your point >> complete. complete your point before belinda, what i before we get to belinda, what i was trying to say and i was saying having a hissy. saying i'm having a hissy. >> i saying pandering to him. >> but e'- e— him. >> but i was saying it >> no, but i was saying it carefully purpose. carefully on purpose. >> set. >> storm off set. >> storm off set. >> i spoke to harvey proctor tonight, who's a former tory mp who the day after his home was raided on completely false allegations as

allegations by a guy known as carl called carl beech. carl beech, called carl beech. and said that it and he said tonight that it ruined his life that this ruined his life and that this should repeated because should never be repeated because people think there's no smoke without they're without fire, even if they're innocent. and i think i think belinda, we've got a mother here who by her story. who stands by her story. >> got a sun newspaper, >> we've got a sun newspaper, one the sophisticated one of the most sophisticated journalists outfits the journalists outfits in the world. lawyers. world. they've got lawyers. they'll their due they'll have done their due diligence. there's no way that they go live with this they would go live with this kind expose massive if kind of expose massive story if they hadn't done their homework. >> also, i can't see any motivation other than a parent caring for their child to have called the bbc with this accusation . ocean. i can't see accusation. ocean. i can't see why she would have made it up, but i also think it is really important when something, an accusation can destroy someone's life. that hard evidence is there before names are revealed .look there before names are revealed . look what happened to sir cliff richard. that's why the bbc had to pay him £2 million in a settlement because of their knee jerk overzealous reaction upon accusation . upon the accusation. >> one is saying the presenter should be named. what? >> what mark is that? i think he

should be. well, the whole thing should be. well, the whole thing should be. well, the whole thing should be named definitely. because public payroll. >> i think what should have happenedis >> i think what should have happened is the should have happened is the bbc should have investigated it investigated and had it investigated and had it investigated ago. okay. investigated weeks ago. okay. well, me finish my point well, let me finish my point there. when it investigated there. when it was investigated six weeks ago, this could have been up by now. the been cleared up by now. the investigation could have been finished person cleared finished and the person cleared or to believe or otherwise who to believe de—man at gbnews.com. de—man at gb news.com. >> de—man at gbnews.com. >> i think it's the national interest for us to know who this individual is. why don't they come out and say, hey, i'm not guilty of these alleged actions? coming up, the cop that exposed jimmy savile, mark williams—thomas, says the beeb now to unmask now needs to unmask the presenter who allegedly a presenter who allegedly paid a teen explicit pics. he joins teen for explicit pics. he joins me live shortly. but next in the clash, can the broadcast survive this latest alleged sex scandal? former newspaper editor neil wallis goes ahead with the bbc's former chief political correspondent john sergeant, let me know what you think , dan, at me know what you think, dan, at cbnnews.com. tweet us at gb news. there's a poll up, so do vote in that as well . see you.

>> join the live desk on gb news. the people's channel, britain's news channel or. welcome back to the show. >> mark dolan in for dan wootton this week. now mark williams—thomas the top the top cop who helped expose jimmy savile is on the way with his beeb analysis. but it's time now for the clash and the bbc still

haven't revealed which of their star presenters they've taken off air over allegations he paid a teenager more than £35,000 in return for sordid images. tonight, a lawyer representing the young person has called the claims rubbish. the presenter, meanwhile, remains suspended by the bee, but with the young person's parents first making a complaint to the broadcaster on the 19th of may and the sun newspaper who broke the story maintain that they have seen evidence that supports the parents concerns . so as many parents concerns. so as many questions remain to be answered by the beeb tonight , i'm asking by the beeb tonight, i'm asking can the broadcaster survive of this latest scandal ? let me know this latest scandal? let me know your thoughts. dan at gb news.com or tweet us at gb news and do vote in the poll. the results are coming doing battle tonight . i'm results are coming doing battle tonight. i'm delighted to welcome former newspaper editor neil wallis and the former chief political correspondent of the bbc, john sergeant at neil wallis. let me start with you. how damaging could this be to

the national state broadcaster ? the national state broadcaster? >> i think it's already been damaged. i think that they need to tread very, very carefully now because there at last they seem to be trying to get their house in order despite their appalling lack of activity after this was first reported to them. but i think today is a events have shown the danger for the bbc. why has this full letter not been published ? what's in it not been published? what's in it that can't be published ? but why that can't be published? but why have the lawyers not been named? because the truth of the matter is, if this the lawyer firm is someone like, say, famous litigation specialist at harbottle and lewis, their costing thousands upon thousands of pounds a day. who is paying for it? if it's higgins and mackenzie out of slough high

street, it's a very different thing. and you know, these things matter going forward. these things matter. i will tell you one thing. i don't believe this presenter's career can survive. the bbc will because the bbc is the bbc. but this guy , his name is right across social media. he will never be able to front a programme or his programme again. john sergeant, we don't know who this individual is and therefore it's all speculation, isn't it? >> but if it turns out to be a very significant , well known bbc very significant, well known bbc face, what is the potential collateral damage to the brand ? collateral damage to the brand? >> well, there's damage already andifs >> well, there's damage already and it's an extremely difficult situation . but bear in mind and it's an extremely difficult situation. but bear in mind , situation. but bear in mind, it's only because the bbc is so important in people's lives that we're in such a state about it . we're in such a state about it. now, if you think of it in terms of maybe a mistake has been made

by the director general and by senior management, but they can be removed , frankly. so the bbc be removed, frankly. so the bbc will sail on. it may be weakened . it may be damaged by all this . but to assume that this is some titanic struggle, which at the end of it, the bbc loses and is removed from our screens. thatis is removed from our screens. that is not going to happen. the bbc will continue to how it plays out . exactly. we need to plays out. exactly. we need to know more , but at some of the know more, but at some of the key questions, it seems to me are this. first of all, in terms of the young person who we've been calling the victim. well, we don't know whether he's a victim or not. but anyway, he said it's all rubbish. was that known to the sun on thursday evening, in which case the sun is guilty because they should have included it in their summary of the case. the second thing that matters is the director general was told on thursday evening, did nothing in terms of action until the presenter was suspended on

sunday. well, now wait a moment. we've had this before, haven't we, with gary lineker being suspended. so there's a sense in which were the bbc acting properly and sensibly ? we don't properly and sensibly? we don't know yet. we don't know the full story. but those are two key points which will have to come out and fairly soon. >> neil wallace, you're shaking your head there in response to john. sergeant, do you think that sun are sitting on a that the sun are sitting on a lot of information? have they done their due diligence here? >> i think, john, sergeant is a great journalist. i think he's talking utter hogwash about the first one of those points that the truth of the matter is , i do the truth of the matter is, i do know something about what the sun has . the know something about what the sun has. the sun were know something about what the sun has . the sun were provided sun has. the sun were provided with a wealth of evidence from heartbroken parents who are not being paid, whose only motive apparently is to defend a crack addict son who apparently has taken received £35,000, but has

now had that money tap turned off. yet they fear he is still addicted . now, why he is now addicted. now, why he is now come out with this. who knows? but i do not doubt and i am pretty sure that the evidence base from the sun will be significant. they have not gone into this lightly. no newspaper goes into a story like this lightly in these days , maybe 20 lightly in these days, maybe 20 years ago. but not now. as i say, john, sergeant, great journalist, talking hogwash on point one, i'm afraid. john >> neil, what is the sun's next step? do they name the star? >> i don't believe they will do that in the short term. i think what's more likely is that the star eventually will name themselves and really the this is not going to go away utterly agree with john sergeant. the

bbc will sail on. but to this day , they we all know the day, they we all know the scandal . all of jimmy savile. we scandal. all of jimmy savile. we easily remember the scandal, the sex scandal of stuart hall. these things linger, these things stink. these things pollute the reputation of a company and i think that it will damage john's quite right. the bbc will carry on because it keeps pocketing all of our money, doesn't it? although john, how many more scandals can the bbc withstand, given the fact that it's asking my viewers and listeners for £159 a year, i wonder whether it brings the idea of the licence fee into disrepute? >> why should we be coughing up all this money when bbc talent allegedly can't behave themselves? >> okay , well, look, if we're >> okay, well, look, if we're talking about the licence fee, it's a separate and long and detailed argument about whether

you can replace it. >> but let me just make a very simple point. >> it is, john. i wonder whether it loses its authority. it loses its mandate. >> no, no, no. but let me just make the simple point. why does the licence fee matter? why do people for the concept the licence fee matter? why do peoplin for the concept the licence fee matter? why do peoplin manyyr the concept the licence fee matter? why do peoplin many ways concept the licence fee matter? why do peoplin many ways it'scept the licence fee matter? why do peoplin many ways it's a pt the licence fee matter? why do peoplin many ways it's a poll when in many ways it's a poll tax and you can see how unpopular all that is? no, they fight for it because in a case like this, people feel it is their bbc, it is their organisation . they therefore organisation. they therefore feel very strongly if the bbc makes a mistake or they might have made a mistake, we can't have made a mistake, we can't have that because there are now that a brand . the bbc is the that for a brand. the bbc is the strongest in national brand that this country has. what would you say ? it's because of the licence say? it's because of the licence fee connection with every single person that pays the licence fee . but let's not go into a long discussion about what happens to the licence fee because that is not the it's not the topic right at the moment, it's the topic at the moment is what are they going to do about this particular crisis? >> john mean, you talk about >> john i mean, you talk about

the public attachment the public and this attachment that they've to the bbc. i'm that they've got to the bbc. i'm inundated emails to this inundated with emails to this show every we go on air show every time we go on air about how fed up many of the pubuc about how fed up many of the public are with the bbc and it's why they're choosing other media sources that don't cost them £159 a year. >> well , now, that's that's not >> well, now, that's that's not the only reason why they go to other sources. now, they can choose they want to watch, choose what they want to watch, but that is honestly, it's a separate issue at the moment. the bbc is in crisis. how will this resolved ? can the bbc this be resolved? can the bbc escape this or will in fact it do very, very serious damage to the bbc? that, i think is the point to consider this evening rather than . so the bbc is rather than. so the bbc is finished? is it or isn't it? i don't think that's really the relevant argument tonight , john. relevant argument tonight, john. >> sergeant neil wallace, thank you so much forjoining us. interesting words there, john. sergeant, very clear the b but will survive this. yes. it's not great for their reputation, but ultimately it will prevail. neil wallace says that in terms of the and this story , there's the sun and this story, there's plenty more where that came

from. so can the bbc survive this alleged sex scandal? your views are coming in thick and fast. views are coming in thick and fast . peter has views are coming in thick and fast. peter has said views are coming in thick and fast . peter has said the views are coming in thick and fast. peter has said the real question should be can the sun survive ? darnell has said if survive? darnell has said if ever there was a reason to defund the bbc, by god, this is it. and johannes said, sad . yes, it. and johannes said, sad. yes, the government isn't going to let its main propaganda arm just die. well, your verdict is now in. 44% say the bbc can survive this alleged scandal. a majority of 56 say no. it's game over for the organisation in lots more to come. coming up, the organisation in lots more to come. coming up , the spectators come. coming up, the spectators royal scoop gets a car. kennedy reveals how prince harry is being abandoned by everyone he once loved. and former beeb star neil oliver weighs in on the alleged bbc sex pics scandal. lots to get through. but first, the weather . the weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news alex deakin here

on. gb news alex deakin here from the met office with your latest gb news weather forecast. >> wet one tonight for large chunks of the country. we do have met office yellow warnings in place, quite mild and quite blustery, all thanks to low pressure that's been throwing cloud rain in from the cloud and rain in from the atlantic for much of the day across the west. whilst we've seen some sunny spells in the east, the is now east, the cloud is now thickening rain come thickening further. rain to come across southwest england and the midlands. the heaviest rain midlands. but the heaviest rain across have across scotland where we do have across scotland where we do have a office yellow warning in a met office yellow warning in place. some place. we've also seen some downpours today across of downpours today across parts of northern ireland. some downpours today across parts of northerdisruption some downpours today across parts of northerdisruption likelyne further disruption likely through evening and through this evening and overnight. does turn a little overnight. it does turn a little dner overnight. it does turn a little drier over north wales and northern england. quite a mild night, the night, particularly in the south—east. really south—east. temperatures really holding dull, damp, holding up here in a dull, damp, humid tuesday. holding up here in a dull, damp, humid tuesday . that humid start to tuesday. that rain should peter out across east anglia and southern counties england and then counties of england and then it's a case of, yes, some sunny spells, but also plenty of showers moving a showers moving through on a brisk breeze most. but light brisk breeze for most. but light winds scotland means winds in northern scotland means we could see some slow moving,

intense, thundery downpours intense, even thundery downpours here during the afternoon . here during the afternoon. temperature wise, again around or maybe a touch below average for the time of year, struggling to get into the low 20s for most places, a dry sunny start across eastern england during wednesday. but then the showers get going again through the day . so it will be a case of . so again, it will be a case of dodging the downpours, perhaps not not as intense, but not as many, not as intense, but still some lively showers moving through. and again, things on the cool side and the breeze with temperatures teens or with temperatures high teens or low at best, a brighter low 20s at best, a brighter outlook with boxed solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> you're watching dan wootton tonight with me, mark dolan. coming up, as harry's friends are said to be disgusted by what he's done since leaving the royal family the duke royal family he is the duke consigned to a lonely life in montecito forever. we'll be catching up with royal scoop getter kara kennedy. but next, as the bbc is embroiled in yet

another sex scandal involving a top star, did the broadcaster take the allegations seriously enough? the cop that exposed jimmy savile, mark williams—thomas , is coming up.

on gb news. the people's. channel >> well, if you're just joining us, we have a developing story. it is the alleged bbc sex

scandal . we were on the edge of scandal. we were on the edge of our seats as to where the sun would go from here. were they going to back down after lawyers representing the alleged victim said the story is not true? well, the sun have roared back into life and have restarted this great debate because they have just reported that the stepfather of the young person involved in the alleged bbc sex scandal gave the beeb screenshot scandal gave the beeb screenshot s of contact between their child and the star and bank statements prove showing payments. seven weeks ago, not on thursday , he weeks ago, not on thursday, he said we put the allegations to them for an hour, but the presenter remained on air and was not even spoken to until the sun contact atd the bbc last week . astonishing stuff. so the week. astonishing stuff. so the sun doubling down this story is not going anywhere. i'm joined now by mark williams. thomas, the top cop who helped expose jimmy savile. mark has the corporation learned no lessons

from savile ? good evening , mark. from savile? good evening, mark. >> yeah, i mean, what a debacle we're in. we're in a situation where the story has now become, again about the bbc. and exactly the same happened with savile after exposure of savile, you after my exposure of savile, you know, stepped away two know, i stepped away for two weeks because just wanted to weeks because i just wanted to see happens. the bbc see what happens. and the bbc imploded as they have imploded exactly as they have done be very done again. now, let's be very clear . when the done again. now, let's be very clear. when the sun done again. now, let's be very clear . when the sun got done again. now, let's be very clear. when the sun got their information, they did a real amount of checks to make sure that what they were going to print with was evidence and of course, we're now seeing them responding in respect of that. we've had two major developments today. we've had the child themselves, also the young person should now come person, i should say, now come out and say that they the story is not accurate. but then we've had the parents, both the mother and stepfather, who say that actually by their actually they stand by their account. and course, we've account. and of course, we've had the sun who have now said they stand by the account. the problem is, that the sun, the problem is, is that the sun, the bbc had story now for bbc have had this story now for a considerable of time, a considerable period of time, almost 50 and it took the

almost 50 days. and it took the sun to do their publication for the bbc to take the matter seriously , to suspend. i called seriously, to suspend. i called for the suspend of the individual on saturday night. they were suspended on sunday and of course, we've now learned because the have come out because the sun have come out very today saying very clearly today saying that actually them a certain actually we gave them a certain amount of information and they've had some sight of that. and indeed, the individual was still what they should still on air. what they should have done is taken the allegation, suspended, the individual. once they'd done a fair amount of checks initially, which takes matter of days and which takes a matter of days and then the inquiry to be then allowed the inquiry to be conducted. but what they've done is they've actually knuckled down, do everything to down, tried to do everything to try to allow the individual to carry on and uncover the story up.and carry on and uncover the story up. and of course, the matter the story is now you'd think the bbc would learn because it's always going to get out. and in so is in fact the individual whose name. and the next big question i wrote about this today, the next big question is question i wrote about this to

>> well, should he be named. >> well, should he be named. >> well, should he be named. >> well, i think we've got a situation now for where the respect of the other bbc presenters who themselves have had to come out and actually say that it's not them, we've got an individual who has hunkered down who at this position in time is not going to say something that the bbc would. i think , probably the bbc would. i think, probably want him to say something. i think the next stage we're going to have is i can't see any of the newspapers, any of the broadcasters naming him. we're in the same situation as we were with harris to a to a with rolf harris to a to a similar degree. obviously, there was investigation at was no criminal investigation at this in time in relation this moment in time in relation to the individual, but there certainly in relation to certainly was in relation to rolf harris that i, you know, i named harris and it took named rolf harris and it took the press long time the press a very long time before they followed. and actually publicly put that name out i think what will out there. i think what will happenis out there. i think what will happen is that the individual themselves due course, will themselves in due course, will probably come out either directly or through a third party. their lawyer to say something or potentially there

may be an mp who takes the position that in the house they're going to say something. i can't see any broadcaster, but let's be very clear. the public know exactly who this person is or the large majority of the public, because their name has been spread. so widely across social media. >> mark williams—thomas , i >> mark williams—thomas, i wonder about this. are we overreacting or is it a storm in a teacup given the fact that you're talking about a 17 year old? so that's above the age of consent for a sexual activity ? consent for a sexual activity? is it really crime of the century ? if it were proven that century? if it were proven that this had happened, that this star had procured photos from a 17 year old? >> well, let's be very clear. there is a criminal offence for anyone under the age of 18 to be engagedin anyone under the age of 18 to be engaged in any sexual photographs. so indecent photographs. so indecent photographs are of a person under the age of 18. so if they were 17 and they were sending indecent photographs, that is a criminal offence. so and of course it's a criminal offence

the other way round, but send those photographs to someone under the age of 18 if you can. >> if you can sex with >> if you can have sex with somebody 16, it's a bit somebody that's 16, it's a bit arcane , isn't it? it's a bit old arcane, isn't it? it's a bit old fashioned that you can't send a picture of yourself naked the picture of yourself naked at the age 17, perhaps the lord age of 17, perhaps the lord dannatt no, i don't think it is. >> i think the law has changed more recently to deal with the aspect of indecent photographs of those people who are under the age of 18. so i think the law is appropriate. you could question whether or not the age of consent is appropriate, but of consent is appropriate, but of course, matter for of course, that's a matter for huge debate. reality is, is huge debate. the reality is, is this you this individual, you know, whether not they've committed whether or not they've committed a criminal offence, this individual, to be individual, if proved to be correct, certainly is abused. their position of trust. and let's be very clear, the bbc is an iconic organisation to which the public trust, you know, up and down through generations. the varied and of the trust is varied and of course more recently that trust has been lost because of a certain amount of things, none more so than my jimmy savile investigation . and, and i think

investigation. and, and i think when you look at the type of individual to whom this allegation is against, again, you know, this is an individual who holds an incredibly high profile position within the bbc. so i think what we've got now is we've got a story that's very sadly because of the inept and the inability for the bbc to just deal with a situation as it presents itself appropriately . presents itself appropriately. we've now got the story turned that it's become a story about the bbc rather than a story about about a potential abuse by one of the bbc members of staff. >> briefly, mark, if you can, do you think this issue at the beeb, given your intimate knowledge of the organisation , knowledge of the organisation, do you think in relation to how they've handled this? is it a culture of denial that they just cannot process the scale of what may have happened from one of their big stars that we're allegedly told it is, or is it a cover up? do you think? darker forces at work in relation to the bbc? >> no, it's so similar to what

happened with savile in the months prior or in the month pnor months prior or in the month prior to savile. we wrote to the director general asking him for an interview in respect to savile. they came back and said, there's questions answer. there's no questions to answer. there's no questions to answer. there's have there's no allegations that have ever been made as it got into the press. and the story got bigger bigger in the days bigger and bigger in the days leading up to they kept changing bigger and bigger in the days leadi right» to they kept changing bigger and bigger in the days leadi right to» they kept changing bigger and bigger in the days leadi right to reply. kept changing bigger and bigger in the days leadi right to reply. kept chésoing their right to reply. indeed, so much. that the morning of much. so that on the morning of the savile expose, had to the savile expose, i had to rerecord a new right reply rerecord a new right to reply because gave different because they gave a different response they've response. so they've done exactly same. is exactly the same. there is a huge separation between on the ground journalists and senior managers and then that's separate still exists where they refuse to accept often the advice that's being given to them. it's quite simply that the reality is it a cover up safeguarding investigation? is it up and down the country they've got this wrong. is it they've got this wrong. is it they've got this wrong. is it they've got it wrong? >> there's an issue of the culture at the beeb, which you say hasn't changed. is it a cover up by the bbc? >> i think it's inept. i think to be used cover up is a very strong word. what i would say is

that they have failed to follow process and as a result of that they've now got themselves into a position where they have they have done further damage to their credibility. mark, thank you. as an organisation, as john farage, we're not going to go, but the reality is they have to have public confidence and they're losing it again because of their ability to deal with something that's very simple in the wrong way. >> mark brilliant to have you on the show. i we had longer the show. i wish we had longer my thanks to mark williams—thomas top investigative the investigative journalist, the bbc has said in a statement at the weekend, new allegations were on thursday of a were put to us on thursday of a different nature. and in addition to our inquiries, addition to our own inquiries, we've been in touch with we've also been in touch with external authorities in line with protocol . ls with our protocol. ls contradicting what mark has had to say there. what do you think, mark, at gbnews.com and dan at gbnews.com. both emails work coming up my superstar panel debate whether the sun should pubush debate whether the sun should publish all its evidence after a lawyer representing the young person at the heart of this

story calls their claims rubbish . but next royal scoop gets a car. a kennedy weighs in on reports that prince harry is friendless . that's .

next welcome back to the show. more on the bbc sex scandal alleged sex scandal, i should add , at sex scandal, i should add, at 10:00. but it's time now for top royal scoop getter kara kennedy. in tonight's outsider. royal scoop getter kara kennedy. in tonight's outsider . and the in tonight's outsider. and the aftermath of prince harry swerving his best friend's wedding still rumbles on with eyebrows raised at the runaway duke ditching his longtime pal jack mann on the biggest day of his life . mann was a groomsman his life. mann was a groomsman at harry's own wedding to meghan in 2018 and featured in the famous band of brothers photo

from windsor castle on the night of the royal knees up , according of the royal knees up, according to the mail on sunday, royal editor rebecca english, friends of the duke say they've been, quote, disgusted by what harry's done since leaving the royal family. she added, there are people who have said, we've been very loyal to him over the years and don't feel that loyalty and we don't feel that loyalty has been repaid. kara kennedy is this proof that isolated harry will be consigned to montecito forevermore . forevermore. >> yes, i think that's definitely part of it. but so jack mann wasn't just a groomsman. it's been alluded to that he was actually harry's real best man at his wedding. that's how close they were . and that's how close they were. and yeah, that's all destroyed now. and i think it is sad and it does show that he must be isolated and have a feeling of great loneliness . these boys great loneliness. these boys were just a few years ago, harry's life, his entire support network, and now it's all gone. but from what i can gather,

there was a key moment where this friendship broke up. i have beenin this friendship broke up. i have been in contact with one of the people that were there at this particular weekend, which is apparently the weekend that everybody knew that they weren't going to have the same friendship with harry. and it was weekend at sandringham was the weekend at sandringham where, quote , markle sucked the where, quote, markle sucked the joy where, quote, markle sucked the joy out of any remarkable joke with wokery and chippiness we all realised that he was a lost cause at that weekend. so i think i think meghan was definitely fundamental in the breakdown of that relationship . breakdown of that relationship. >> well, yes. i mean a controlling partner will try to separate you from your friends and family. do you think meghan's guilty of that in relation to harry? >> oh, certainly. i mean, they didn't fit the mould these were kind of jack the lad types. very fun , very boyish , and they fun, very boyish, and they didn't fit the mould of what meghan wanted to be. she wanted to be a real life, respectable princess. so when she saw harry, um, running around with these

lads. yeah, i think. i think it was in her best interest to get rid of them. you know? >> kara, is he happy ? >> kara, is he happy? >> kara, is he happy? >> i don't think so. i mean , >> i don't think so. i mean, would you be happy, isolated, away from your entire family ? away from your entire family? friends? he has no real support network there. i mean, everything we've heard of since with him kind of getting these celebrity friends has been laid to proved to not be the case. there was one case with orlando bloom and katy perry. they kind of made out that they were a lot better friends than they were. i mean, even look at the wedding with people like george clooney and invited. and then and his wife invited. and then they later say, we they come out later and say, we didn't know them. we'd didn't even know them. we'd never even met them. so this is a case of kind of trying to keep up appearances because they really friends . really don't have any friends. >> yes. mean, kara, hand on >> yes. i mean, kara, hand on heart briefly, you can. do heart briefly, if you can. do you that secretly he wants you think that secretly he wants to come home? >> i think i think he's in too deep now . deep now. >> i think he would i think he

wants to come home. i think it would be very embarrassing for meghan to allow that to happen . meghan to allow that to happen. i still do think that it would be the case that he would be welcomed back with open arms, but i think that is far too late for her. i don't think that she would be welcomed back by the british people or by the family at all. but i think there's always a place for harry. >> always, kyra kennedy, great to have you on the show. we'll catch up soon. staff writer at the spectator. listen, i've got no that would argue no doubt that harry would argue he's blissfully he's he's blissfully happy. he's married to one of the world's most beautiful women . he's an most beautiful women. he's an in—demand and public in—demand broadcaster and public speaken in—demand broadcaster and public speaker, they've got speaker, and they've got a lovely family so many lovely family and home. so many could that they couldn't could argue that they couldn't be but do you be happier. but what do you think, gbnews.com coming think, dan, at gbnews.com coming up reaction from former up we get reaction from former bbc bbc news presenter gb news star neil oliver on the unfolding scandal at the beeb. that'll be feisty, but next my superstar superstar panel put my teeth in tonight. my superstar panel debate whether the sun should publish all the evidence. it's got on this story. keep

those emails coming in. dan gb news dot com. you can vote in the twitter poll as well. and at the twitter poll as well. and at the end of the next hour, kelvin mackenzie, we live in the studio dropping some truth bombs . dropping some truth bombs. >> the temperature's rising boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news alex deakin weather on. gb news alex deakin here from the met office with your latest gb news weather forecast. >> wet one tonight for large chunks of the country. we do have met office yellow warnings in place quite mild and quite blustery. all thanks to low pressure that's been throwing cloud and rain in from the atlantic for much of the day across the west, whilst we've seen sunny spells in the seen some sunny spells in the east, the cloud now east, the cloud is now thickening further. rain to come across england and the across southwest england and the midlands. heaviest rain midlands. but the heaviest rain across where we do have across scotland where we do have across scotland where we do have a yellow warning in a met office yellow warning in place, some downpours place, also seen some downpours today of northern today across parts of northern ireland. so some further disruption through this disruption likely through this evening. it does evening. and overnight it does turn little drier over north turn a little drier over north

wales and northern england. quite a night, particularly quite a mild night, particularly in temperatures in the south—east. temperatures really up here in really holding up here in a dull, humid to dull, damp, humid start to tuesday. should peter tuesday. that rain should peter out across east anglia and southern counties of england. and a case of, yes, and then it's a case of, yes, some sunny but also some sunny spells, but also plenty moving through plenty of showers moving through on brisk breeze for most. but on a brisk breeze for most. but light winds northern scotland light winds in northern scotland means could some slow means we could see some slow moving , intense, even thundery moving, intense, even thundery downpours here during the afternoon. temperature wise, again around or maybe below average for the time of year. struggling to get into the low 20s for most places, a dry, sunny start across eastern england during wednesday , but england during wednesday, but then the showers get going again through the day. so again, it'll be of dodging the be a case of dodging the downpours as perhaps not as many, not as intense, still many, not as intense, but still some light showers moving through. and again , things on through. and again, things on the cool side in the breeze with temperatures teens or low temperatures high teens or low 20s at best, the temperatures rising, boxed solar, proud sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> it's 10:00. you're watching >> it's10:00. you're watching dan wootton tonight with me, mark dolan. all of this week. great to have your company. what an hour to come. breaking tonight, a lawyer representing the young person the of the young person at the heart of the young person at the heart of the scandal has said that the bbc scandal has said that claims made by mother to the claims made by the mother to the sun newspaper are complete rubbish. as the parents rubbish. but as the parents respond in turn standing by their accounts and with the sun maintaining that they have the evidence to support their concerns . former editor of the concerns. former editor of the paper kelvin mackenzie joins me to react to these shocking developments . kelvin's got developments. kelvin's got plenty to say. he's live in the studio at the end of the hour. but before that , in the wake of but before that, in the wake of those accusations from the young person's lawyer, does the sun now need to publish all its evidence? i'll debate that with

my superstar panel tonight. i'm joined by carole malone , joined by carole malone, benjamin butterworth and belinda de lucy. hashtag the dream team . plus, before making the switch to the people's channel, neil oliver spent nearly two decades as the bbc's coast guy and he'll offer his unique insight on the crisis facing his old employer. elsewhere is former home secretary lord clarke writes that the rwanda plan is the only way to stop channel crossings and prevent britain being seen as an easy option by migrants and smuggling. gangs will thrash that out in the media. buzz and another developing story tonight, the met police say that they will investigate a trans activist and convicted attempt murderer for making this vile threat. >> now, if you see a tough bunch of enough begum . of enough begum. >> now, if you don't know what a terf is, that's somebody that simply knows the difference

between a biological man and a biological woman, which would surely be most of us. i'll bring you more on that shocking incident tonight's greatest incident in tonight's greatest britain union jackass you'll britain and union jackass you'll also get a look at tomorrow's front pages. and we've got our eyes peeled, especially on the sun newspaper. so lots to get through. a busy , busy show with through. a busy, busy show with the bbc crisis. through. a busy, busy show with the bbc crisis . full the bbc in crisis. full analysis, big reaction on and strong opinion. but first, the headunes strong opinion. but first, the headlines with ray addison . headlines with ray addison. >> thanks , mark. good evening to >> thanks, mark. good evening to you. and our top story tonight from the newsroom, the parents of the young person at the centre of the bbc presenter scandal say they stand by their claims . that's according to the claims. that's according to the sun newspaper . claims. that's according to the sun newspaper. and it comes after a lawyer represent the youngster told the corporation that their mother's allegations were rubbish and nothing inappropriate or unlawful. happenedit inappropriate or unlawful. happened it follows reports that a male presenter paid a teenager for explicit photos years earlier, met police detectives

said they will work to establish if there is any evidence of a criminal offence. yesterday, the bbc announced that it had suspended the star almost two months after a complaint was first made. well in another developing story, the male teacher who was stabbed at tewkesbury academy in gloucestershire has been discharged from hospital police has announced. meanwhile a teenage boy arrested on suspicion of attempted murder remains in custody. the secondary school was put into temporary lockdown in along with two neighbouring schools following the incident. police say they do not believe it was terror related . us president joe terror related. us president joe biden has completed his brief tour of the uk after meetings with the prime minister and the king. he's now travelled to lithuania for a two day nato summit, which starts tomorrow . summit, which starts tomorrow. mr biden was given a warm welcome at windsor castle , where welcome at windsor castle, where he discussed climate issues with

the king. that followed a meeting with rishi sunak earlier on at downing street, where, despite recent tensions over ukraine, both leaders paid tribute to the special relationship between the two countries. as nato chief jens stoltenberg says, turkey has agreed to support sweden's bid to join the alliance . the to join the alliance. the announcement comes after the nato chief held talks with the president of turkey and the prime minister of sweden earlier this evening, erdogan met with charles michel, head of the european council . erdogan has european council. erdogan has also demanded that a path must now be made for turkey to join the eu . a coroner has ruled that the eu. a coroner has ruled that british victims of an ethiopian airlines crash were unlawfully killed when a boeing 737 max crashed en route from addis ababa to nairobi in 2019. all 157 passengers and crew died in the disaster, including humanitarian workers. samuel

pegram and sustainability campaign ownerjoanna pegram and sustainability campaign owner joanna toole. investigators found that a flying control system had malfunctioned, causing causing the aircraft to dive uncontrolled . ubley herring was uncontrolled. ubley herring was fined £18 billion after employees were found to have misled regulators over the system . we're on tv online misled regulators over the system .we're on tv online on system. we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. time now for mark dolan . mark dolan. >> tomorrow's news tonight in our media buzz. let's kick off with a first look at tomorrow's front pages . and we start with front pages. and we start with the sun newspaper . and it really the sun newspaper. and it really is the only story in town, this media bombshell story , exclusive media bombshell story, exclusive fury over presenter family of youth spent our telling the beeb their fears in may. we only

spoke out to help save our vulnerable addict child. the headune vulnerable addict child. the headline bbc are liars says dad now let me give you some more details on this. this comes from scarlett howells in the sun. the family of the youngster allegedly paid by a presenter for sex pictures tonight accused the beeb of ignoring bombshell testimony given seven weeks ago. emails seen by the sun show the stepfather told the bbc on may the 19th of bank statements detailing huge payments from the star. the family also said they've only spoke out to help they've only spoke out to help the child. so, look, if you think this story is going away, think this story is going away, think again because the sun doubung think again because the sun doubling down, as are the parents of the alleged victims, the independent's a holiday chaos for 180,000 as easyjet . chaos for 180,000 as easyjet. cancels 1700 flights. what a nightmare . and the metro school nightmare. and the metro school lockdown nightmare. it's okay, mum and dad. we are safe. pupils

text from class after teacher stabbed in. what is a shocking story . now reacting to this story. now reacting to this bombshell media story , i'm bombshell media story, i'm delighted to welcome my superstar panel. we have daily express columnist carole malone , journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth and former brexit party mep and political commentator belinda de lucy . so commentator belinda de lucy. so developing tonight, the mum at the centre of the scandal has now told the sun it's sad , but now told the sun it's sad, but we stand by our accounts and we hope they get the help they need. we did this to help and the presenter has got into their head. that's right, the presenter has got into their head. how did they afford a lawyer? the stepfather added, we're disappointed. they made a statement . it's not and in statement. it's not true. and in their own statement released earlier, a spokesperson for the sun said , we've reported a story sun said, we've reported a story about two very concerned parents who made a complaint to the bbc about the behaviour of a presenter and the welfare of

their child . the complaint was their child. the complaint was not acted upon by the bbc. we've seen evidence that supports their concerns. it's now for the bbc to properly investigate . bbc to properly investigate. listen, it's a massive debate . listen, it's a massive debate. the sun now at the heart of this story. benjamin butterworth, you've walked a few hard yards in the world of fleet street as compared to caroline age. >> no, but you've certainly you've certainly got some experience of how the newspaper industry sun industry works and the sun doubung industry works and the sun doubling down. >> are they right to . >> are they right to. >> are they right to. >> it's the only thing they're to going do in a newsroom. this will be a decision that was taken extremely seriously. they will have had the best paid lawyers in the country look over this story before it went to print . print. >> they won't take mum's word as as oath. >> absolutely not. you know , >> absolutely not. you know, people like to think that that media, tabloid media in particular means you just say anything. it really isn't like that. you have to think that that. so you have to think that the sun, the sun will have been like that. but, you know, there is a there is a note in the

story that's already online, which is tomorrow's front page from sun that the mother who from the sun that the mother who has given this follow up interview alongside the stepfather young person , stepfather of the young person, and they say that they did report it to the police before before the last couple of days. and the police told the mother nothing criminal has happened. and that is a significant fact that we didn't know until tonight. we had no reason to think that the mother had gone to the police. and so that changes things potentially, because maybe there is no criminal accusation in this. if you're the employer, you can see why you might think, well, actually, the police have made a decision that said, carole malone, if and we don't know who it is, but if it's a star, very, very linked to the branding of the bbc, if frontline talent, even if they've not broken the law, being exposed in this manner is still unprofessional and still a problem for the organisation. >> we've just been having this argument out in the argument out out here in the green room, know . you know, green room, you know. you know, ben of no law has been

ben thinks of no law has been broken, then it's not a story. i do think it's a story because this is the state broadcaster we're talking about. this presenter is a star presenter . presenter is a star presenter. she is being paid a lot of money. his wages are being paid by the licence fee. so this is of public interest. it is also of public interest. it is also of interest that i've got to be very careful here because we're treading on eggshells now. i'm not even going to mention the ages involved here because that's, that's, that's difficult. yeah i think it's i do think whatever however, this pans out, it is still a story. i think the sun is justified and running this story and what what you alluded to before at newspaper like the sun like all tabloid newspapers, people think they're slapdash and they make things they do not. they have, as ben says, some the best lawyers on the planet. they would have been very careful before going to press with a story like this. if they've also said that they have evidence to back up their claims, should they be pressured to publish all

they be pressured to publish all the evidence now? >> well, i don't know. >> well, i don't know. >> it i don't know if this should be pressurised to publicise the name as of yet, but if they are certain of their evidence and if that evidence depicts the person or proves that that is this person, yes, maybe they should. >> i'm going to come to you in just a moment, benjamin. you've just a moment, benjamin. you've just cited some more detail in the story that that the sun have have added some information that the mother of this alleged victim went to the police and the police said no laws been broken, have the sun dropped a clanger here? >> could they be in trouble? well i think it's possible. >> you know , because it's >> you know, because it's a question really , and carol hints question really, and carol hints at it and we disagree , which is at it and we disagree, which is that, you know , it's far from that, you know, it's far from the case that the only things you report are claims of criminality. you know, lots of salacious, brilliant stories involved here as well. exactly. and so that's the question . and so that's the question. yeah. but i think it puts the sun in a difficult legal position. can i just say

something quickly, which is it's very hard to read anything quickly, but if the sun if the sun claims that the payment started when this person was 17, now, that would be a criminal offence. so if the police have said it wasn't a criminal offence . so that raises offence. so that raises a serious question about the reporting. >> when the mother reports it to the police, maybe that she she wasn't aware of payments. we don't know when the payments . don't know when the payments. >> here's the thing. belinda de lucy is the age the law a red lucy is the age is the law a red herring because we're to herring? because if we're to take word of the mother, take the word of the mother, she's worried about her crack addict son who's receiving an income allegedly from a bbc star. >> well, i think this is how old they are. >> this is it. whether the young person was 17 or 18 in, it still doesn't make the scenario where it's , you know, money coming to it's, you know, money coming to fund a child's alleged drug habit. >> by the way, that is a story thousand 31. >> and this is the question as well. the money involved suggests it's there's so it's more complex . i mean, it's such more complex. i mean, it's such a huge amount of money. it's so

obscene , the amount of money. is obscene, the amount of money. is it really that black and white that it it really that black and white thatitis? >> i'll tell you what, i'm impressed by how upwardly mobile this crack addict is. he's this young crack addict is. he's able commission the services able to commission the services of london's top lawyers. >> is he? >> well, is he? >> well, is he? >> , this is you know, >> well, this is why, you know, it's interesting that the mother >> well, this is why, you know, it's said asting that the mother >> well, this is why, you know, it's said someone'sthe mother >> well, this is why, you know, it's said someone's got mother >> well, this is why, you know, it's said someone's got aother >> well, this is why, you know, it's said someone's got a lotzr >> well, this is why, you know, it's said someone's got a lot of has said someone's got a lot of pocket money. yeah. and this is what makes it, you know, the plot little bit is plot thicken a little bit is like much influence now is like how much influence now is this said person got over the young person now involved because one of the explosive lines in the sun because i know that benjamin thinks that this story is a busted flush. >> i don't think it is. i think it's only just got stuck. i don't look, monica lewinsky and bill clinton had had, you know, inappropriate, know, things inappropriate, you know, things going that wasn't illegal, going on that wasn't illegal, but a big story in but it was a big story in the pubuc but it was a big story in the public interest. parents, why would they're saying would they lie? they're saying this star has got into this alleged star has got into to their son's head. >> yeah. and what is that and what is what is there? >> child says. and what does that does that actually that what does that actually mean? they alluding mean? what are they alluding to

when say that? and they ask when they say that? and they ask the question, how could this young person afford a top lawyer? that's all questions that the bbc needs to answer. we why wasn't that enough for the bbc to take this individual? >> because straight away, in late may, six weeks ago, because broader than this case, simply see if it is the case that there is no crime on this one. >> there is if it's the case that there is no crime, that has gone on, and that's what the police said already, behaviour. no, because actually no, it's not, because actually being addict teenager being a crack addict teenager actually good enough actually that's not good enough actually. adults are actually. mark adults are allowed to have sex lives that other people uncomfortable other people find uncomfortable , all with consenting adults. do you should not mean you defend that should not mean that you lose or suspended from your job. >> the addiction yourjob. >> the addiction of a kid that could die? >> well, you assume that this person knew the context of torfaen benjamin and we don't know actually i'm sorry. torfaen benjamin and we don't knoa actually i'm sorry. torfaen benjamin and we don't knoa hillrally i'm sorry. torfaen benjamin and we don't knoa hill to ly i'm sorry. torfaen benjamin and we don't knoa hill to diei'm sorry. torfaen benjamin and we don't knoa hill to die on sorry. torfaen benjamin and we don't knoa hill to die on isyrry. >> a hill to die on is absolutely the adults can have sex lives that other people don't like, that isn't

don't like, and that isn't a reason to lose their job. and i think that's really important. >> for drugs of a of >> paying for the drugs of a of a youngster who could kill himself, which we don't know. >> that's really worried about. >> allegedly. about. >> benjamin about it. it >> benjamin talks about it. it is nobody's business. but is nobody's business. but but but the person but the presenter and the person involved . i don't believe that's involved. i don't believe that's the believe that this is the case. i believe that this is the case. i believe that this is the business because of various factors involved that will emerge the next few days. emerge over the next few days. it is the public. no, i agree. >> if every man he's got sexual satisfaction from someone who uses drugs to their job, uses drugs is to lose their job, there won't be many men left in jobs, but pwc last word. >> voice of common sense help me out. >> i'm losing the will to live. >> i'm losing the will to live. >> no bbc were forced to pay for the bbc. right? they absolutely have care to make have a duty of care to make sure the presenters funded by us are not acting inappropriately in funding drug addicts with sexual explicit images. >> let me tell you. >> let me tell you. >> well said, belinda. my thanks to my brilliant panel. they're back very shortly. i want answers. i think it's in the national interest to know who this person is. we're paying their . they've only been

their wages. they've only been suspended last 24 hours. suspended in the last 24 hours. what going on at the bbc? what is going on at the bbc? saville here we go again. i know it's not the same gravity of alleged crime, but i think the culture of that place absolutely stinks. what do you think? dan gbnews.com. coming up, the unelected laws have done their best to savage the rwanda plan, but the infamous tory remainer lord, ken clarke , a proper tory lord, ken clarke, a proper tory lefty, has supported the plan. is he right? my superstar panel weigh in. but next, he spent nearly 20 years at the beeb. but before finding renewed stardom here on this very channel, neil oliver, do you remember him from coast? well, he's back on the show in two minutes. and boy , show in two minutes. and boy, he's got a few truth bombs to drop. see you into .

>> gb news is the people's . channel >> welcome to dan wootton tonight mark dolan in for the boss this week. a bbc in crisis special . time now for a man who special. time now for a man who worked at the beeb for nearly 20 years before becoming a gb news legend in his own right, neil oliver was well known as the beeb's coast guy before making the switch to gb news plying his trades as an expert, archaeologist, historian and author for the corporation across a series of hugely popular shows and series . across a series of hugely popular shows and series. he's with me now. neil, your reaction to this story .

to this story. >> hi, mark. i'm sure the bbc would probably like me to point out that was never actually employed by them was always a freelance and it was about it was about 7 or 8 years, i think actually was making coast for them. however yeah, i was, i was um, so i've never really been inside the tent of the bbc. i was always still really an outsider looking in on it. but as to this, it's so difficult, isn't it, to to, comment on it because we don't know . we don't because we don't know. we don't know. we don't know officially the personalities involved. we don't know what has or hasn't been done . uh, it's all alleged been done. uh, it's all alleged this and, and a lot of it's conjecture , so it's very conjecture, so it's very difficult. but i think my reaction is that it's sad . i reaction is that it's sad. i think that we never have to wait long for this kind of story to come around . it has been that it come around. it has been that it has become a almost a culture whereby a few weeks or a few

months go by and we hear another story that i think most people would just describe as sleazy or grubby , that that behaviour grubby, that that behaviour between a powerful, let's say, a powerful individual will, um, you know, with , with the ability you know, with, with the ability to maybe to manipulate it and to take advantage in, in, in a relationship with a younger person. in this case, it's alleged that a lot of money was changing hands. and i think most people would look on at that and say that's really not what you'd expect from a figure from within the national broadcaster. i think that's the i think that's the sadness of it. you know, i mean, there's all sorts you know, there's a there's a film out making huge money in america at the moment. sound of freedom about about the misuse of children by adults . and it does children by adults. and it does seem to be that to some extent we are now swimming in a swamp of this, that more and more it's becoming apparent that this kind of, uh, misuse of, of younger people, children , who knows?

people, children, who knows? again, we don't know the precise details, but misuse of young by older, it seems to be something that we're being invited almost to take for granted and to assume that. oh, yes, we go assume that. oh, yes, here we go again. that's where we are again. and that's where we are now until hear the specifics i >> -- >> this also 5mm hm >> this also is this an example of the powerful media, the elites in their ivory towers doing what they the hell they want to do , seemingly impervious want to do, seemingly impervious to the rules that the rest of us have to follow. yes there's always there's always that element to it as well. >> i think there's there is increasingly a culture of we will preside over and we will tell you how you should be behaving in every walk of life and everything to do with life around, you know, how we're supposed to behave in relation to climate. you know what we're supposed to content ourselves with in relation to 15 minute ghettos and all of the rest of it. and yet and then there's an extreme wealthy elite group who do and say as they want and

this, this kind of what most people would characterise as as misbehaviour at the very least inappropriate behaviour between somebody wealthy and powerful in relation to somebody you know, poor and powerless always leaves a bad taste in the mouth . and i a bad taste in the mouth. and i think my, my abiding feeling is just, you think, oh good grief, here we go, here we go again . here we go, here we go again. obviously, as soon as something like this happens with the bbc, everyone always invokes the ghost of savile well, ghost of jimmy savile well, again, knows ? who knows? but again, who knows? who knows? but again, who knows? who knows? but again , you would think you would again, you would think you would think in the aftermath of that that the national broadcaster , that the national broadcaster, which the bbc is, which is what the bbc is, whether they like or not, whether they like it or not, given way that they given the way that they pontificate position pontificate and the position that to hold that they like to hold themselves in, they have to be they do have to be whiter than white. and i think they would have to move very quickly to clean this one up one way or the other for neil, so great to have you on the show. >> can't wait to have you back on the box on saturday. we'll

catch up soon. gb news superstar neil oliver. coming up, former sun editor and fleet street icon kelvin mackenzie delivers his unfiltered on the bbc unfiltered verdict on the bbc scandal. don't miss that. a very lively half hour to come. let me tell you, it is the media bombshell story of the year. well, the biggest since schofield, possibly bigger . schofield, possibly bigger. let's detail first, the let's get more detail first, the weather that warm feeling inside from boxed boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news alex deakin here from the met office with your latest gb news weather forecast. >> wet one tonight for large chunks of the country. we do have met office yellow warnings in place, quite mild and quite blustery, all thanks to low pressure that's been throwing cloud and rain in from the atlantic for much of the day across the west. whilst we've seen some sunny spells in the east, the cloud is now thickening further. rain to come across southwest england and the midlands. rain midlands. but the heaviest rain across have across scotland where we do have across scotland where we do have a yellow warning in a met office yellow warning in place, seen some downpours

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boxed boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news strap weather on. gb news strap yourselves in for a very busy half hour coming up in uncanceled. >> there's only one man qualified to give his take on the bbc's sex scandal battle with the sun. the newspaper's former iconic editor, kelvin mackenzie , he drops some truth mackenzie, he drops some truth bombs with me in just a few minutes. he's live in the studio and he's not pulling his punches, but next in the media buzz, the rwanda plan receives weighty support from surprising quarters. lord ken clarke, the renowned tory remainer on the left of the party, says it's our only chance to stop the boats . only chance to stop the boats. is he right? my superstar panel reacts .

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news radio. >> let's return to tomorrow's news tonight in our media buzz. more front pages have arrived . more front pages have arrived. let's start with the daily mail. 1 in 6 people know who scandal hit . bbc star 1 in 6 people know who scandal hit. bbc star is millions can name the bbc star in broiled in teenage sex photo claims . teenage sex photo claims. according to a snap mail poll . according to a snap mail poll. also a shocking story. teacher stabbed by pupil in school corridor. welcome to broken britain , the eye newspaper bbc britain, the eye newspaper bbc presenter did nothing wrong claims young person at centre of sex photo scandal and i've got to say a newspaper that's really owning this story the all important sun who broke the story initially dad bbc are liars exclusive fury over presenter of family of youth spent an hour telling the beeb their fears in may. we only spoke out to help save our vulnerable addict child . so vulnerable addict child. so that's an astonishing story. the sun are also going on to say that the parents feel that this

alleged bbc star is in the head of their child. i'll get reaction from the sun's former editor , kelvin mackenzie in just editor, kelvin mackenzie in just a few minutes. editor, kelvin mackenzie in just a few minutes . more on the media a few minutes. more on the media buzz now with tonight's superstar panel daily express columnist carole malone. journey first and broadcaster benjamin butterworth and former brexit party mep and political commentator belinda de lucy, now unelected peers in the lords, might have tried savaging any chance we have of stopping the invasion of our southern border, but the rwanda plan is now earning support from surprising quarters . lord kenneth clark, quarters. lord kenneth clark, the self—declared rebel of the conservative party , gets weighed conservative party, gets weighed in by saying rwanda was the only solution to stop the boats writing for the telegraph, he said people can make objections to the rwanda scheme or they can point out legal complications , point out legal complications, but they don't have a plan of their own. so the choice is between rwanda or nothing . now between rwanda or nothing. now more than 1000 illegal migrants have made the journey from france to britain over the last

few days alone, including a record 686. on friday. so, look, the bill returns to the commons tomorrow . the bill returns to the commons tomorrow. belinda de the bill returns to the commons tomorrow . belinda de lucy, an tomorrow. belinda de lucy, an important intervention from kenneth clarke because he's on the left of the tory party. yes he's he's a big remain , a lefty tory. >> no, it's good that he's come out. however, i would say the rwanda plan is a tiny cog in the huge machinery needed to stop hundreds and thousands of thousands of young men coming from the safe country of france over to this country. and depending on the british taxpayer, far more needs to be done because the big carrots still dangles. the incentive is still dangles. the incentive is still here. you know, the uk accepts three times as many asylum applications as france does , twice as many applications does, twice as many applications as get accepted here as the average across the eu. because in the uk we are seen as a soft touch. even the home office admits that many people applying for asylum in the uk have

already had it rejected in france because they know our bar is so low and if they come over here with no documents and no evidence that their asylum seeker, the chances are they'll get stay. get to stay. >> another point to add is >> another good point to add is that germany has been rejecting the asylum claims of albania for years we've only only until years and we've only only until recently have we pulled up that particular drawbridge. >> and rishi praise for >> and rishi expects praise for doing something that have doing something that should have been you know, been done years ago. you know, 4 million people came to europe since we need to stop the since 2008. we need to stop the flow refugees where flow and help refugees where they are instead of settling them here. >> carole malone the rwanda scheme, flawed. scheme, clearly it's flawed. clearly it's a big experiment. it's a punt, isn't it? but it's totemic for many with any of those things you just said. >> actually , i think well, it >> actually, i think well, it hasn't worked so far, has it? >> but it's totemic. it's totemic to the public. >> they feel that something needs done and they like needs to be done and they like the of this. the optics of this. >> well, they the optics of >> well, they like the optics of it it would if only it because it would work if only it because it would work if only it allowed to the it was allowed to get off the ground. but it's been stopped from off ground by

from getting off the ground by by left, a bunch of human by the left, by a bunch of human rights lawyers. and a couple of weeks ago by the judges in weeks ago by the two judges in the court. you know, it's the appeal court. you know, it's not i agree with ken not often i agree with ken clarke, but he's dead right when he the only he says that rwanda was the only way, other way is way, the only other way is turning back the boats. and, you know, won't do that. so know, we won't do that. so parliament has to push back against either against the lords on this either that able to that and if they're not able to do that, rishi has to leave the hcr because is a problem in hcr because this is a problem in what ken clarke says, he's spot on. he said, you know, he didn't initially with this plan, initially agree with this plan, but saying is there but what he's saying is there was plan coming from was no other plan coming from the there is other plan the left. there is no other plan coming the courts. there's coming from the courts. there's no plan coming from no other plan coming from anywhere. and if going anywhere. and if we're going to stop coming anywhere. and if we're going to st0jthis coming anywhere. and if we're going to st0jthis is coming anywhere. and if we're going to st0jthis is the coming anywhere. and if we're going to st0jthis is the only coming anywhere. and if we're going to st0jthis is the only way. coming anywhere. and if we're going to st0jthis is the only way. and ning up, this is the only way. and i don't know why everyone has this huge problem rwanda. you huge problem with rwanda. you know, was 30 years know, the genocide was 30 years ago it's changed ago since then, it's changed enormously the 26th most enormously. it is the 26th most popular country in world to popular country in the world to do business with. it is one of the most prosperous african countries there is. it's got one of the best economies in africa . is it is not a terrible . and it is it is not a terrible country to go to. and yet we

have the left up on their hands. >> benjamin i think benjamin, i think going to say if think you're going to say if rwanda so brilliant, then how rwanda is so brilliant, then how is a deterrent? is it a deterrent? >> all it's a deterrent >> it's all it's a deterrent because people want people because people don't want people coming want coming from africa don't want to go it's such a brilliant country. >> they want to go to, then it'll encourage them because it's won't be given it's because they won't be given a accommodation. >> be accommodated in >> they won't be accommodated in hotels at expense hotels at the expense of millions of a week for millions of pounds a week for the taxpayer. plus they the british taxpayer. plus they won't welfare state. the british taxpayer. plus they won nhs, welfare state. the british taxpayer. plus they won nhs, all welfare state. the british taxpayer. plus they won nhs, all the welfare state. the british taxpayer. plus they won nhs, all the restare state. the british taxpayer. plus they won nhs, all the rest of state. the british taxpayer. plus they won nhs, all the rest of it.ate. the nhs, all the rest of it. >> it's a point of interest to say as well that now there are eight in the eu bloc eight countries in the eu bloc that are now calling for a rwanda like scheme because what they're saying is this immigration out of control. immigration is out of control. they're system is they're saying their system is broken, work. broken, it doesn't work. hey sounds exactly sounds familiar. that's exactly benjamin , it's time for you and benjamin, it's time for you and your pals get on board your lefty pals to get on board with rwanda. your lefty pals to get on board witiitewanda. your lefty pals to get on board witi it is.inda. your lefty pals to get on board witiit's;. inda. your lefty pals to get on board witiit's bold . your lefty pals to get on board witiit's bold of you to assume >> it's bold of you to assume that i have pals, but it is. the rwanda plan has nothing to do with stopping boats. it with stopping the boats. yes, it does. about saving some does. it's all about saving some votes this will never votes because this will never this will never see the amounts of illegal immigrants or

refugees trying to come through that route, reduce it. this is about trying to have some spin and some argument in politics. and i think most people can see through what a week and ineffective plan this is. if you care, how do you work for us, carol, let me take him down in the week. >> take him down to chinatown. >> take him down to chinatown. >> weeks before the appeal court decision two weeks ago, the numbers slowed because the people across the people coming across on the boats waited what boats were waited to see what the appeal decision was the appeal court's decision was going be. and when they going to be. and when they realise and fine. tick realise and it was fine. tick tock started to advertise the appeal court judges position the numbers more started to come. >> the numbers. benjamin the numbers. troy business model numbers. troy the business model of gangsters. on of the gangsters. are you on their side? >> well suella braverman is on >> well, suella braverman is on their side because she. she took away the agency of these people to go to government agencies and talk about being victims of modern slavery. the numbers , the modern slavery. the numbers, the numbers, the numbers have not fallen. >> i'll get to your opinions shortly at gbnews.com. coming up, find out which american rocker is up for nomination in

tonight's greatest britain and union jackass after reliving their glory days at hyde park. here's a hint. he was born in the usa. who could that be? find out shortly. but next in uncanceled, you don't want to miss this, folks. the man you've all been waiting for, former editor of the sun newspaper, kelvin gives his take kelvin mackenzie gives his take on the newspaper's sex scandal battle with the bbc. beeb meltdown. more on that .

next it's next wsfime next it's time now for uncanceled, where britain's top commentators speak out on controversial issues without the fear of the cancel culture sweeping the rest of the . media breaking tonight, of the. media breaking tonight, the mother of the young person at the centre of the bbc presenter scandal has stood by her claims as lawyers representing the teen dismissed

them as total rubbish . she told them as total rubbish. she told the sun, it's sad, but we stand by our accounts and we hope they get the help they need. we did this to help and the presenter has got into their heads. how did they afford a lawyer? it comes as the stepfather also says that he told the bbc he had screenshots of contact between their child and the star, as well as bank statements detailing huge payments. joining me to discuss this is the former editor of the sun newspaper, kelvin mackenzie. kelvin, do the sun have more than we know? >> i suspect they have a lot , >> i suspect they have a lot, but they made as far as they're concerned, journalistically, they made a shocking error because they could have published a picture which everybody in the world has seen onune everybody in the world has seen online and they could have published it. >> the person's name. this was on the saturday. they chose not to do it. that's probably because of pressure. legally, that exists around news uk with all the owners of the sun. yeah

the money that's being spent through the high court in hacking cases and other cases which have involved the former chief or the current chief executive of news uk, by the way, she was cleared, as was everybody else in that in that particular case. but there is a nervousness there. there and they also didn't want to get caught up in the fact that this was there. a strange smell about this paper and therefore would advertise us walk away. there are lots of pressures on them and chose not run it. and they chose not to run it. and now they will never run it until potentially an mp . so if until potentially an mp. so if an mp says it , until potentially an mp. so if an mp says it, you until potentially an mp. so if an mp says it , you know, until potentially an mp. so if an mp says it, you know, in the commons, in the commons, fine. right. everybody will pile in outside that nobody will ever know . name that person is my know. name that person is my prediction down. and secondly thanks to the lad now say or the person now saying that this actually there was nothing inappropriate happened nothing unlawful happened . there can unlawful happened. there can never there is never going to be

and there probably never was ever going to be a legal action involving with the police or the prosecuting authorities. taking a view . so that's over. so my a view. so that's over. so my bet is that that the person actually will will be allowed to retire nana by the bbc and that will be the end of that. >> but what a pantomime if this person is known to the public through social media. yeah. and yet it's never mentioned . i mean yet it's never mentioned. i mean that's not going to. well there are there aren't there's more than one media in our country. >> there is the one that everybody embraces because basically free. it's called basically it's free. it's called social media. everybody is on that. that's the way people communicate. and then there is mainstream media and mainstream media no longer is the source of news in our country. it's an incredible thing. and the sun finds itself caught in the middle because they've got an onune middle because they've got an online presence and they've got a print presence and actually, in this particular case, they're

not bad journalists. they're hard working people. the management , though, the management, though, the management, though, the management at news uk have something to answer for, they don't know whether they're arthur martha . arthur or martha. >> no, right. and they've >> no, that's right. and they've approached story half approached this story half cocked a way, haven't they? cocked in a way, haven't they? they in, half they sort of half in, half out, which, know, a veteran of which, you know, is a veteran of a scoop. that's not how you do it. you go all in. >> right? look you might as >> right? you look you might as well you allowed to be well be. are you allowed to be hung for a sheep as a lamb? i'm not sure whether any any vegan viewers that in fact, viewers that you have. in fact, i did what this is gb news. there won't you're quite there won't be any. you're quite right. okay, so. so in the old days we used to sell 4 or days when we used to sell 4 or 5 million a day, then used to million a day, then we used to go all and also pay for it go all in and also pay for it when we got that wrong. okay, now, now happens that now, now what happens is that most stories are half pregnant. you know, it's almost there. and they in there they put the story in there hoping social run hoping that social media run with then happens with it. and then what happens is then can get behind it is then they can get behind it and then they can say, oh, well , i read this on social media. i saw it on instagram or something. that is the way it's now it's a very

now performed. it's a very strange world that big strange world that these big once powerful tabloids , once once powerful tabloids, once very commercially successful. that's not long. that's no longer the case. on the print side anyway. the online case, yes, it's still doing okay, but they are worried constantly. the management . what if we run this management. what if we run this kind of story ? we will. will kind of story? we will. will unilever advertise with us? will our media buyers , you know, our media buyers, you know, will, i don't know, vauxhall cars advertise with us. so they're constantly worrying. why do they worry? because in the old days, revenue from circulation was up there and down there was advertising , down there was advertising, selling. now circulations have dropped by about 80. advertisers thing is what matters, not what the reader thinks. so they worry more about the advertiser than the reader. then you get what happens on last saturday and we've seen it in america where the press are in the pocket of corporations. >> the advertisers. that's bad for democracy, isn't it? because when you were at the sun, you broke important national interests. >> and what used to happen all the time was for years,

sainsbury's advertise sainsbury's wouldn't advertise in the sales in the sun. finally the sales director to we've director came up to me, we've done we've done it. they've done it. we've done it. they've come in with some £5 come back in with some £5 million agreement. oh fantastic. three days later we ran a story saying that a member of the sainsbury family had booted sainsbury family had been booted out somewhere . and out of oxford or somewhere. and do you know what happened? they carted again, carted the advertising again, but that's just but it didn't matter revenues but that's just but it didn't matt

unked is an identifiable talent that's linked to the brand may be one of the faces of the network, potentially , does that not cause potentially, does that not cause reputational damage anyway? the fact that he's indulged in allegedly indulged in an encounter with a teenager, isn't that enough to get him sacked? and isn't that enough, too? isn't that enough to damage the bbc even if it's within the law? >> definitely. definitely damaging the bbc, this whole kind of thing. >> exactly. appropriate behaviour, is it? >> absolutely . and especially >> absolutely. and especially in the that this particular the role that this particular person has within the bbc. right. >> it's not a weatherman. you're saying, okay, we can't speculate. >> we're not now. i'm sorry. let's make that clear. we're very sorry for any mr blobby , is very sorry for any mr blobby, is it? it's not. mr >> i've always thought he was wrong'un. >> well, he might be, but i don't know what you mean by wrong in that suit. >> now, listen. okay, so. so. but. but you take my point that maybe it's a red herring that the law side of it, it's got nothing to do with privacy. >> nothing to do >> got nothing to do with anything. and this is where the sun made a terrible it

sun made a terrible error. it has to with this has everything to do with this person. does a very responsible job, one the major faces job, is one of the major faces of the and there is one of the bbc. and there is one particular photo that is going around the going around the onune around the going around the online world, which would mean that that person, under no circumstances could continue to do that job. and they haven't published that photo. >> kelvin, is there evidence that that photograph is kosher ? that that photograph is kosher? i mean, we have photoshop. you've got deep fake, you know, can can we can we are we in a position to say, well, it's gone, it's gone from i to ars that right. >> that's nicely done . i'm here >> that's nicely done. i'm here all week. >> that's the headline tomorrow. >> that's the headline tomorrow. >> yes. >> yes. >> so i just will stress no we can't substantiate that at any images floating around online are are true or authentic or indeed the names being bandied around. it's important we stress that. >> yeah, look, i, i agree with you in this in this world we're in right now. and going forward, the trouble with this particular article is that it will create uncertainty around all stories

that appear in the sun or sun. sun or likes. >> now, listen, is it bad news for the sun as a brand? this story, if they've essentially, you know, it's bad, it's bad news, it's bad news. does it mean for the sun, honestly, they're not in good shape anyway i >> -- >> you know, hum >> you know, this was a chance to really, really, like get get, you know, make a few headlines and become relevant again. >> right. and become relevant again. >> i ight. and become relevant again. >> i don't know about relevant, you some good you know, there's some good journalism down there. and the trouble this casts trouble is this this casts a shadow over it that even when you've got the goods and you could there's could publish the goods, there's an uncertain note on the trumpet in that company now. and you can see that in talktv. you can see it on times radio. there's a whole series things that are whole series of things that are going wrong, not helped , i going wrong, not helped, i suspect, having a ceo who's suspect, by having a ceo who's 92 briefly, kelvin can't imagine who you're talking about. >> can we can i ask you about the beeb itself now going forward as well? reputation or damage to the beeb and how can they continue the pretence if they continue the pretence if the that they know the public think that they know

who is and we can't prove it who it is and we can't prove it right? but if they, how can they quietly make this go away? people stupid, they? people aren't stupid, are they? they can't. >> not stupid. >> they're not stupid. >> they're not stupid. >> think the person >> do you think the person involved a press involved has got to do a press conference fess up? involved has got to do a press coni've1ce fess up? involved has got to do a press coni've very fess up? involved has got to do a press coni've very much s up? involved has got to do a press coni've very much doubt in the >> i've very much doubt in the light of the kind of conversation we're having right now, cannot that happening now, i cannot see that happening a month so. a month or so. >> will that person ever be on television again, from television again, like from tonight? no. so they tonight? no no. right. so they will not appear on screen again, not again, but not appear on screen again, but can, know, by the might can, you know, by the way, might even bizarrely in getting seve ra nce. severance. >> right . >> right. >> right. >> and that person's on the payroll still they're suspended but yeah yeah . but yeah yeah. >> well when you're suspended as you're likely to discover in the future. correct. you carry, you carry probably you can carry you probably you can continue to be paid . continue to be paid. >> i'm just praying it's not a weatherman. otherwise it. weatherman. otherwise that's it. >> yeah, it is. yeah, >> game over. yeah, it is. yeah, that'd be a final job. yeah so? so it's a very bad so for the bbc, it's a very bad news, but it's not as bad news as if that picture had appeared last saturday morning. and the name had appeared. you know,

because then they would have had the problem about, well, where is that? may 19th, in, you know, communication between the mother. and i feel sorry for the parents. yes. the parents appear to have been defeated by the establishment. kelvin >> i knew it wouldn't be boring. great to have you in the studio. we'll catch up soon. there you go. de—man in the know, former editor of the sun newspaper when it sold millions every it sold millions of copies every day. brilliant , day. let's get my brilliant, wonderful pundits nominations for greatest britain and union acas . yes, indeed, carole acas. yes, indeed, carole malone, benjamin butterworth and beunda malone, benjamin butterworth and belinda deluise. carol, your greatest britain, right? >> mine's an honorary brit. it's bruce springsteen . he's setting bruce springsteen. he's setting london alight. this week with what the independent called an age defying generation defining performance in hyde park . my performance in hyde park. my husband got to go on saturday night. i didn't. and i'm furious about it. he can't stop talking about it. he can't stop talking about it. he can't stop talking about it. this man, bruce, is 73 years old, yet he has the energy of a 23 year old rock star. and

he never took a break during the performance on saturday. not even a swig of water. three hours straight, man is a legend. >> total legend. don't make them like that any more. benjamin butterworth, your greatest britain >> my greatest. britain is nancy kelley , the chief executive of kelley, the chief executive of stonewall , who is stepping down stonewall, who is stepping down now after several years the now after several years in the job. think she stood up for job. i think she stood up for human rights for lgbt people human rights and for lgbt people and a lot of in that and a lot of us in that community are very proud her. community are very proud of her. and belinda your and belinda de lucy, your greatest britain. >> yes, my greatest. brits are the seven tory mps. many of whom defended themselves in parliament today . if they had parliament today. if they had been targeted by the privileges committee for claiming they were a kangaroo court and the likes of priti patel stood up today and accused the privileged committee of a whole long list of things. and i do think it's important we don't forget what happened with the privileges committee. that. committee. and i respect that. they out today in parliament. >> okay. let me have a think. so many good options . it's going to many good options. it's going to go to belinda for the

magnificent seven five, going for due process and a bit of democracy . okay, how about democracy. okay, how about carol, your union jackass mine is the bbc and in particular the director general, tim davie . director general, tim davie. >> this man is running the state broadcaster, for goodness sake. yet he seems to be unable or unwilling and willing to take proper control of it. the bbc first heard about this complaint we've been talking about all night on may the 19th and only this week started to do something about it. it's not good enough, benjamin . good enough, benjamin. >> ah, your jackass of the day . >> ah, your jackass of the day. >> ah, your jackass of the day. >> mine is the mp. chris pincher, who was handed or recommended an eight week suspension for his sexually inappropriate behaviour. suspension for his sexually inappropriate behaviour . after i inappropriate behaviour. after i had the only interview with the tory staffer who was the victim of pincher , and that victim said of pincher, and that victim said he should resign and that he'd be left unable to sleep . and yet be left unable to sleep. and yet still he takes nearly 90 grand a yeah still he takes nearly 90 grand a year. disgraceful >> belinda briefly or union jackass mine is convicted criminal who now calls himself sarah jane baker. >> he now identifies as a woman.

he was chosen to speak at a trans pride event and has inched trans pride event and has incited violence against women, telling the crowds to go and punch a terf if they see one terf, i.e. me or anyone who believes women should have a few sex based protections, i.e. men not in their changing rooms, he gets a full crown from me today. >> well, belinda, i've got news for you've the double for you. you've done the double tonight because i'm going to give bully. sarah give it to that bully. sarah jane baker. thanks to my amazing panel tonight. really enjoyed our debate. sparks flew , which i our debate. sparks flew, which i expected. i'm back tomorrow from 9:00. and of course, we'll have lots to get through, including further details on this extraordinary bbc story. headune extraordinary bbc story. headline is next. see you tomorrow at nine. >> the temperatures rising, boxed solar. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news alex deakin weather on. gb news alex deakin here from the met office with your latest gb news weather forecast . forecast. >> wet one tonight for large chunks of the country. we do have met office yellow warnings

in quite mild and quite in place quite mild and quite blustery. all thanks to low pressure throwing pressure that's been throwing cloud and rain in from the atlanta sick for much of the day across the west. whilst we've seen spells in the seen some sunny spells in the east, cloud is now east, the cloud is now thickening further. rain to come across south—west and across south—west england and the the heaviest the midlands. but the heaviest rain across scotland where we do have a met office, yellow warning place. also seen some warning in place. also seen some downpours parts of downpours today across parts of northern some northern ireland. so some further this evening and through this evening and overnight . it does turn a little overnight. it does turn a little dner overnight. it does turn a little drier over north wales and northern england. mild northern england. quite a mild night, particularly in the south—east. temperatures really holding dull, damp, holding up here in a dull, damp, humid start tuesday. that humid start to tuesday. that rain should peter across rain should peter out across east anglia and southern counties of england. then counties of england. and then it's a of, yes, some sunny it's a case of, yes, some sunny spells , but also plenty of spells, but also plenty of showers moving through on a brisk for most. but light brisk breeze for most. but light winds scotland means winds in northern scotland means we some slow moving, we could see some slow moving, intense, even thundery downpours here during the afternoon . here during the afternoon. temperature wise, again around or maybe a touch below average for the time of year, struggling to get into the low 20s for most

places . a dry sunny start across places. a dry sunny start across eastern england during wednesday, but then the showers get again through the day. get going again through the day. so it'll be a case of so again, it'll be a case of dodgy seeing the downpours. perhaps not many, not as perhaps not as many, not as intense, but still some lively showers moving through. and again, things on the cool side in the breeze with temperatures , or low 20s at best, , high teens or low 20s at best, the temperatures rising , a boxed the temperatures rising, a boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on .

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