saturday. the epsom derby this saturday. that— the epsom derby this saturday. that and— the epsom derby this saturday. that and much— the epsom derby this saturday. that and much more all at the moment.— that and much more all at the mmm tut— that and much more all at the moment. but first— that and much more all at the moment. but first let's get the wttt— moment. but first let's get the news with polly— moment. but first let's get the news with polly middlehurst . news with polly middlehurst. ttget— news with polly middlehurst. mget ttmt— news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you. _ news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you. well,- news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you. well, the top story tonight is the breaking news that itv has ordered an external review following television presenter phillip schofield's statement and departure from the daytime tv show this morning. chief executive dame carolyn mccall wrote in a letter to the culture secretary and the ofcom chief executive that phillip had made assurances which he now acknowledges were untrue . and we acknowledges were untrue. and we at itv feel badly let down. we consider our approach reasonable and proportionate fit. at the time, the letter continued well, it was also sent to the chair of the culture media and sport committee in parliament and itv bosses are due to appear in front of mps on tuesday to answer questions about the

presenter's affair with a younger male colleague . of younger male colleague. of course we'll have full coverage of that for you as it happens next week. well, also breaking news today , boris johnson's news today, boris johnson's notebooks and whatsapp messages have handed to the cabinet have been handed to the cabinet office this afternoon. a spokesman for the prime minister saying is the one that has saying he is the one that has asked for the full and unredacted details to be disclosed urgently to the covid inquiry . see, that's after the inquiry. see, that's after the cabinet office previously argued the material may irrelevant . the material may be irrelevant. but downing has denied but downing street has denied that it's a cover up. the government has until tomorrow afternoon to hand over the evidence completely . but the evidence completely. but the main news today is that a former russian president has warned that public who that uk public officials who support ukraine are legitimate military targets. dmitry medvedev , who is now deputy medvedev, who is now deputy chairman of the kremlin's security council, says any uk military aid to kyiv represents what he called an undeclared war against russia. he called british officials goofy and britain and eternal enemy

medvedev also says that under the hague and geneva conventions, the uk is considered to be a country at war. well, the former british army colonel hamish de bretton—gordon told gb news earlier the comments aren't something to be concerned about . no, they're threats of nuclear attack— . no, they're threats of nuclear tttttt tor— . no, they're threats of nuclear attack for the _ . no, they're threats of nuclear attack for the last— no, they're threats of nuclear attack for the last 14 months tave— attack for the last 14 months have teem— attack for the last 14 months have been ,— attack for the last 14 months have been , you— attack for the last 14 months have been , you know, a have been, you know, a comptetety— have been, you know, a completely vanished hinckley mm— completely vanished hinckley tmm mt— completely vanished hinckley thin red line.— completely vanished hinckley thin red line. so— completely vanished hinckley thin red line. so i think they-m— thin red line. so i think they're getting pretty desperate. - they're getting pretty desperate. they know that the counter—offensive is coming and they— counter—offensive is coming and they mew— counter—offensive is coming and they knew that— counter—offensive is coming and they know that ourselves . the they know that ourselves. the hhte— they know that ourselves. the hhte me— they know that ourselves. the brits are providing a lot of hammere— brits are providing a lot of h..dw..e, e— brits are providing a lot of hardware, a lot— brits are providing a lot of hardware, a lot of intelligence, mt— hardware, a lot of intelligence, mt they— hardware, a lot of intelligence, and they think— hardware, a lot of intelligence, and they think by— hardware, a lot of intelligence, and they think by threatening tempe— and they think by threatening ttmhe they-re — and they think by threatening rmps they're going to change them— rmps they're going to change theh mmt. — rmps they're going to change their mind. might work in mesh.— their mind. might work in theett. ht— their mind. might work in russia. it won't work in this eemtm — russia. it won't work in this country. well,— russia. it won't work in this country. �*ft�*tzgc "tzrtz; russia. it won't work in this country. �*ft�*tzcc "tfizz; " russia. it won't work in this country. �*ft�*tzcc ”tfizz; " russia. it won't work in this country. �*ft�*tzcc ”tfizz; z country. well, here in the uk, rail passengers across the country have been facing travel disruption today due to strike action by the aslef . union action by the aslef. union members walked out today and are set to do so again on saturday. meanwhile rmt union members will walk out on friday. that will cause major problems for football fans travelling to london for the fa cup final at

wembley. the aslef general secretary, mick whelan , accuses secretary, mick whelan, accuses the government of not wanting a resolution, but the government says it has facilitated a fair and reasonable pay offer. lastly, all tariffs have now been removed on goods exported from the uk to australia and new zealand . it's the first trade zealand. it's the first trade deal with the countries to come into effect in a post—brexit negotiation on shipments of british goods such as signed beano.com links are among the first to be sent under the new arrangements. it also means that red tape will be slashed for digital trade and work visas . as digital trade and work visas. as you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news . channel it was . channel- . it was seen to be . chtmet—

. it was seen to be the . channel it was seen to be the biggest health - it was seen to be the biggest heetth-we-t— . it was seen to be the biggest health-we'd faced- . it was seen to be the biggest health-we'd faced since- health threat we'd faced since the-spamm- health threat we'd faced since the-spanish flu- health threat we'd faced since the spanish flu of the so—called spanish flu of hete— the so—called spanish flu of the us— the so—called spanish flu of the us he— the so—called spanish flu of 1919 us as covid 19 hove into them— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into .— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into . he— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into . he he— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into view . as we saw,— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into view . as we saw, the distressing view. as we saw, the distressing scenes from milano in northern hath— scenes from milano in northern ttety, the— scenes from milano in northern italy, the government decided , italy, the government decided, along— italy, the government decided, theme wtth— italy, the government decided, along with many— italy, the government decided, along with many other governments, that we had to lock teem— governments, that we had to lock town the — governments, that we had to lock down the country— governments, that we had to lock down the country and effectively teet— down the country and effectively teet teem— down the country and effectively lock down the— down the country and effectively lock down the economy . i can't lock down the economy. i can't say— lock down the economy. i can't say ety— lock down the economy. i can't say say that— lock down the economy. i can't say say that ._ lock down the economy. i can't say say that i blame them for doing— say say that i blame them for tome ht.— say say that i blame them for doing tt. eme— say say that i blame them for doing it. once but i really do theme— doing it. once but i really do httme them— doing it. once but i really do blame them for— doing it. once but i really do blame them for doing it over and . ._ blame them for doing it over and . really— blame them for doing it over and over. i really do— blame them for doing it over and over. i really do blame blame them for doing it over and over . i really do blame them for over. i really do blame them for creating— over. i really do blame them for eteethe t— over. i really do blame them for creating a culture— over. i really do blame them for creating a culture of fear, heme— creating a culture of fear, using advertising campaigns, mathe— using advertising campaigns, mttmg eme— using advertising campaigns, making sure any debate that queettemet— making sure any debate that questioned the— making sure any debate that questioned the actions was etteettvety— questioned the actions was effectively suppressed , where effectively suppressed, where newspapers— effectively suppressed, where newspapers would expose people as newspapers would expose people he eevtttete— newspapers would expose people as covidiots if— newspapers would expose people as covidiots if they— newspapers would expose people as covidiots if they dared ehettemge— as covidiots if they dared challenge the— as covidiots if they dared challenge the established line and challenge the established line mt we— challenge the established line and we learnt— challenge the established line and we learnt and i mean, geetmeee— and we learnt and i mean, geetmeee me— and we learnt and i mean, goodness me, we had we had hteteeeet— goodness me, we had we had professor karol— goodness me, we had we had professor karol sikora on the them— professor karol sikora on the show the— professor karol sikora on the show this week, _ professor karol sikora on the show this week, one of the men that— show this week, one of the men that wamet — show this week, one of the men that warned actually the health tmhaete— that warned actually the health tmhaete at— that warned actually the health impacts of lockdown would be greater— impacts of lockdown would be greater than— impacts of lockdown would be greater than if—

impacts of lockdown would be greater than if covid was attawet— greater than if covid was attawet ta— greater than if covid was allowed to let— greater than if covid was allowed to let rip. and we know tama— allowed to let rip. and we know tame team— allowed to let rip. and we know long term ht— allowed to let rip. and we know long term it has— allowed to let rip. and we know long term it has been an economic disaster for the teamm— economic disaster for the country .— economic disaster for the country . ht— economic disaster for the country . it has- economic disaster for the country . it has been a health of country. it has been a health of phyeteat— country. it has been a health of physical health— country. it has been a health of physical health disaster for the country.— physical health disaster for the eaamtm tt-e— physical health disaster for the country. it's been— physical health disaster for the country. it's been a psychological disaster for the country.— psychological disaster for the country. haw,— psychological disaster for the country. haw, ._ psychological disaster for the country. now, i don't entirely htame— country. now, i don't entirely htame am— country. now, i don't entirely blame our government alone for the.— blame our government alone for the. ther— blame our government alone for this. after all,— blame our government alone for this. after all, many other tataheam— this. after all, many other european governments, many other states— european governments, many other states m— european governments, many other states in america— european governments, many other states in america took the same swetem— states in america took the same view. sweden and— states in america took the same view. sweden and florida perhaps hema— view. sweden and florida perhaps being the— view. sweden and florida perhaps being the exceptions to the rule . hat— being the exceptions to the rule . hat at— being the exceptions to the rule . but of course— being the exceptions to the rule . but of course the— being the exceptions to the rule . but of course the time has tat— . but of course the time has come for a full— . but of course the time has come for a full and thorough mamm— come for a full and thorough inquiry mta— come for a full and thorough inquiry into what happened , why inquiry into what happened, why it inquiry into what happened, why tt happened,— inquiry into what happened, why it happened, and— inquiry into what happened, why it happened, and what we can team— it happened, and what we can team m— it happened, and what we can learn in case— it happened, and what we can learn in case there are future hamtemtee.— learn in case there are future pandemics. and— learn in case there are future pandemics. and i'm talking about this pandemics. and i'm talking about the aeeamma— pandemics. and i'm talking about this assuming we— pandemics. and i'm talking about this assuming we will not sign up te— this assuming we will not sign up to the— this assuming we will not sign up to the who.— this assuming we will not sign up to the who. whose pandemic treaty— up to the who. whose pandemic treaty ,— up to the who. whose pandemic treaty , whteh— up to the who. whose pandemic treaty , which if— up to the who. whose pandemic treaty , which if we— up to the who. whose pandemic treaty , which if we do, of treaty, which if we do, of course, all— treaty, which if we do, of course, all bets are off because the— course, all bets are off because the hrttteh— course, all bets are off because the british government wouldn't have— the british government wouldn't have a— the british government wouldn't have a say. — the british government wouldn't have a say. hat— the british government wouldn't have a say. but isn't it interesting— have a say. but isn't it interesting that the swedes there— interesting that the swedes there marry— interesting that the swedes there inquiry into covid done taetet— there inquiry into covid done taetet ever— there inquiry into covid done dusted over as— there inquiry into covid done dusted over as we've appointed baroness hallett_ dusted over as we've appointed baroness hallett to run it.

they-ve— baroness hallett to run it. they-ye ehemt— baroness hallett to run it. they've spent tens of millions of they've spent tens of millions at hearte— they've spent tens of millions of pounds already. they haven't as yet— of pounds already. they haven't as yet interviewed— of pounds already. they haven't as yet interviewed a single mmteter— as yet interviewed a single minister outer. _ as yet interviewed a single minister outer. but despite these— minister outer. but despite those criticisms , is it right those criticisms, is it right that— those criticisms, is it right that that— those criticisms, is it right that that inquiry should see harm— that that inquiry should see boris johnson's— that that inquiry should see boris johnson's diaries an ematte— boris johnson's diaries an ematte tram — boris johnson's diaries an emails from that period? well what— emails from that period? well that art— emails from that period? well what are we— emails from that period? well what did we learn from the leak of what did we learn from the leak at at— what did we learn from the leak at at the— what did we learn from the leak of all the emails— what did we learn from the leak of all the emails that came from matt— of all the emails that came from that matter,— of all the emails that came from matt hancock, we— of all the emails that came from matt hancock, we learnt there was an attitude— matt hancock, we learnt there was an attitude towards government— was an attitude towards government ,- was an attitude towards government , a contempt for government, a contempt for artmary— government, a contempt for artmary hearte— government, a contempt for ordinary people , a desire to ordinary people, a desire to mate— ordinary people, a desire to make sure there— ordinary people, a desire to make sure there were political outcomes, even— make sure there were political outcomes, even if— make sure there were political outcomes, even if there were no heatth— outcomes, even if there were no health benefits— outcomes, even if there were no health benefits to— outcomes, even if there were no health benefits to them. i thought— health benefits to them. i thought some— health benefits to them. i thought some of the sheer eymtetem — thought some of the sheer cynicism ism— thought some of the sheer cynicism ism that hancock theatayet— cynicism ism that hancock displayed was— cynicism ism that hancock displayed was disgusting. so i hettevet— displayed was disgusting. so i hettevet m— displayed was disgusting. so i believed in this— displayed was disgusting. so i believed in this situation . even believed in this situation. even if believed in this situation. even tt there— believed in this situation. even tt there he— believed in this situation. even if there is private— believed in this situation. even if there is private and personal matertat— if there is private and personal material, even— if there is private and personal material, even if— if there is private and personal material, even if there is matertat— material, even if there is material here— material, even if there is material here that would be of a mathemat— material here that would be of a national security— material here that would be of a national security interest, i hetteve— national security interest, i hetteve rte— national security interest, i believe it's right that that the— believe it's right that that the he— believe it's right that that the he at— believe it's right that that this is all handed over. now, the— this is all handed over. now, the pressure— this is all handed over. now, the pressure on— this is all handed over. now, the pressure on boris johnson hae— the pressure on boris johnson has teem— the pressure on boris johnson has been enormous. the deadline for has been enormous. the deadline tar att—

has been enormous. the deadline tar at at— has been enormous. the deadline tar at at the— has been enormous. the deadline for all of this is— has been enormous. the deadline for all of this is 4:00 tomorrow. _ for all of this is 4:00 tomorrow. borisjohnson for all of this is 4:00 tomorrow. boris johnson has now then— tomorrow. boris johnson has now then the— tomorrow. boris johnson has now given the cabinet— tomorrow. boris johnson has now given the cabinet office access to given the cabinet office access ta att— given the cabinet office access to at at— given the cabinet office access to at at me— given the cabinet office access to all of his whatsapp messages and to all of his whatsapp messages amt att— to all of his whatsapp messages amt at at— to all of his whatsapp messages amt at at me— to all of his whatsapp messages and all of his diaries. to all of his whatsapp messages and all of his diaries . so now and all of his diaries. so now the— and all of his diaries. so now the hat— and all of his diaries. so now the hatt te— and all of his diaries. so now the ball is very— and all of his diaries. so now the ball is very firmly in the court— the ball is very firmly in the court at— the ball is very firmly in the court of rishi_ the ball is very firmly in the court of rishi sunak and he appeare— court of rishi sunak and he appears ta— court of rishi sunak and he appears to he— court of rishi sunak and he appears to be very reluctant not to hand— appears to be very reluctant not to hamt thre— appears to be very reluctant not to hand this data— appears to be very reluctant not to hand this data over. i ask you— to hand this data over. i ask you ,_ to hand this data over. i ask you , ta— to hand this data over. i ask you , to you— to hand this data over. i ask you , do you think there is you, do you think there is a ah— you, do you think there is a up going— you, do you think there is a cover up going on here? let me they— cover up going on here? let me that what— cover up going on here? let me that what you— cover up going on here? let me know what you think. farage at gb know what you think. farage at at term— know what you think. farage at at term cam— know what you think. farage at gb news .com. well calvi arranger, former adviser to harm— arranger, former adviser to boris johnson— arranger, former adviser to boris johnson while he was mayor of boris johnson while he was mayor at tantam— boris johnson while he was mayor at tamtam amt— boris johnson while he was mayor of london and now— boris johnson while he was mayor of london and now political commentator— of london and now political commentator calvi you know if there— commentator calvi you know if there are— commentator calvi you know if there .— commentator calvi you know if there are i want— commentator calvi you know if there are i want to— commentator calvi you know if there are i want to say this to begin— there are i want to say this to begin wtth— there are i want to say this to begin wtth ht— there are i want to say this to begin with, if in— there are i want to say this to begin with, if in boris's ttartee— begin with, if in boris's diaries and— begin with, if in boris's diaries and whatsapps, there are very— diaries and whatsapps, there are very pereamat— diaries and whatsapps, there are very personal things of no relevance . s— very personal things of no relevance . s if— very personal things of no relevance . s if there are issues relevance. s if there are issues of relevance. s if there are issues at hatemttat— relevance. s if there are issues of potential national security , of potential national security, he them— of potential national security, he them at— of potential national security, he then of course, baroness hattett— he then of course, baroness hallett must— he then of course, baroness hallett must make sure they are not hallett must make sure they are met reatty— hallett must make sure they are met reatty eat— hallett must make sure they are not really out to— hallett must make sure they are not really out to the public. amt— not really out to the public. amt .— not really out to the public. amt . want— not really out to the public. and i want to— not really out to the public. and i want to make that clear tram— and i want to make that clear tram rte— and i want to make that clear tram he the— and i want to make that clear from it's the first— and i want to make that clear from it's the first concern, hem-t— from it's the first concern, hem-t tte — from it's the first concern, isn't it? ' azly from it's the first concern,- isn't it? absolutely , especially isn't it? absolutely, especially when we see things leaking like

the proverbial sieve from government. that's a that's government. so that's a that's a concern because as soon as it goes to other people, yes. i mean, look, you know, matt hameeet— mean, look, you know, matt hancock trusted— mean, look, you know, matt hancock trusted isabel oakeshott wtth — hancock trusted isabel oakeshott wtth att— hancock trusted isabel oakeshott wtth at me— hancock trusted isabel oakeshott with all his emails— hancock trusted isabel oakeshott with all his emails and the whate— with all his emails and the whate tat— with all his emails and the whole lot of— with all his emails and the whole lot of people. i mean, yre— whole lot of people. i mean, ye rteht— whole lot of people. i mean, you're right, there are elements of you're right, there are elements at the— you're right, there are elements at the chat— you're right, there are elements of the civil service _ you're right, there are elements of the civil service that appear to he— of the civil service that appear to he at— of the civil service that appear to he at ar— of the civil service that appear to be at war with— of the civil service that appear to be at war with the conservative - to be at war with the conservative get conservative party. and i get that— conservative party. and i get that harm.— conservative party. and i get that point. but— conservative party. and i get that point. but but back to the beginning— that point. but but back to the beginning at— that point. but but back to the beginning of what i was saying at-etart,— beginning of what i was saying at-start,-know,- beginning of what i was saying at-start,-know, i,- beginning of what i was saying at-start,-know, i, i,- at the start, you know, i, i, i hetteve— at the start, you know, i, i, i believe that— at the start, you know, i, i, i believe that those subsequent successive lockdowns , as the successive lockdowns, as the eamhaameet— successive lockdowns, as the continuance of— successive lockdowns, as the continuance of furlough policy, the etaeha— continuance of furlough policy, the eteetma at— continuance of furlough policy, the closing of the— continuance of furlough policy, the closing of the economy, and i the closing of the economy, and . teame— the closing of the economy, and i became more— the closing of the economy, and i became more and— the closing of the economy, and i became more and more sceptical and i became more and more sceptical amt eyhteat— i became more and more sceptical amt eymteat ae— i became more and more sceptical and cynical as this— i became more and more sceptical and cynical as this whole preeeee we— and cynical as this whole process. and cynical as this whole- process. we heard you, nigel, we heard no, but i really did. and a lot of people quite firzr and a lot of people quite rightly, yeah.— a lot of people quite rightly, veah. amt— a lot of people quite rightly, yeah. and there— a lot of people quite rightly, yeah. and there were voices out there.— yeah. and there were voices out there. the— yeah. and there were voices out there. we found— yeah. and there were voices out there. we found ourselves etteettvety— there. we found ourselves effectively - off. - there. we found ourselves effectively off. kyiv on effectively closed off. kyiv on hatter— effectively closed off. kyiv on twttter, am— effectively closed off. kyiv on twitter, on facebook, mercifully not twitter, on facebook, mercifully met am— twitter, on facebook, mercifully not ah ah— twitter, on facebook, mercifully not on gb news,— twitter, on facebook, mercifully not on gb news, which is a eemahe— not on gb news, which is a aemame tree— not on gb news, which is a genuine free speech. broadcaster thamt— genuine free speech. broadcaster thank goodness— genuine free speech. broadcaster thank goodness .— genuine free speech. broadcaster thank goodness . but it was very, thank goodness. but it was very, very— thank goodness. but it was very, very ttttteatt— thank goodness. but it was very, very difficult to _ thank goodness. but it was very, very difficult to make any counterarguments to the prevailing— counterarguments to the

prevailing orthodoxy . so big prevailing orthodoxy. so big aaeettah— prevailing orthodoxy. so big aaeettam tar— prevailing orthodoxy. so big question for you to begin with. is question for you to begin with. he ht— question for you to begin with. he tt rtaht— question for you to begin with. is it right that— question for you to begin with. is it right that baroness hattett— is it right that baroness hallett is— is it right that baroness hallett is able to access as much— hallett is able to access as much information mission as is haeethtee— much information mission as is haeethtee .— much information mission as is possible? i think— much information mission as is possible? i think on the basis, as we were saying and you were eayha— as we were saying and you were eayme that— as we were saying and you were eayme that ame— as we were saying and you were saying that once this information- saying that once this information does go to the marry— information does go to the hearty .— information does go to the hearty , ht— information does go to the inquiry , it stays with the inquiry, it stays with the hearty— inquiry, it stays with the inquiry unless relevant to be tater— inquiry unless relevant to be taken further— inquiry unless relevant to be taken further into the public tamah. — taken further into the public domain. that— taken further into the public domain. that is— taken further into the public domain. : domain. that is the fundamental question. i think that's where the challenge is for the cabinet office for and the government, because it does set a precedent that the incumbent prime that anybody the incumbent prime minister, a former prime minister, a former prime minister, and let's be honest, there's a question here about this platform, whatsapp, because it as a private chat . it was seen as a private chat. it it wasn't seen as a mechanism to do formal government conversation. now if conversations bled into whatsapp, which all of our lives is proliferated , hasn't it, is proliferated, hasn't it, this, this this thing that suddenly emerged we used to do sms does anybody do that old fashioned text message anymore? we do whatsapp. we do direct messaging. do actually , messaging. so do i actually, i've signal. we've got all

i've got signal. we've got all theee— i've got signal. we've got all theee-theee— i've got signal. we've got all these-these things- grzr gfiz we've got all these these things that these all of these things that eattemty— these all of these things that suddenly appear— these all of these things that suddenly appear and become emtwhet— suddenly appear and become entwined into— suddenly appear and become entwined into the fabric of not met— entwined into the fabric of not met-thee— entwined into the fabric of not just-lives, but— entwined into the fabric of not just lives, but daily just our lives, but our daily wart. — just our lives, but our daily wart. .— just our lives, but our daily work. .i think- just our lives, but our daily work. just our lives, but our dailyi work. .i think there's a just our lives, but our daily- work. .i think there's a grey work. and i think there's a grey area which is coming area there which is now coming to about whatsapp, to the fore about whatsapp, personal, government personal, private government information, relevant ? information, what's relevant? and secondly, those conversations tend to be two way they aren't just somebody on broadcast . there's another broadcast. there's another conversation, someone else is having. so by seeing a person's conversation, you are seeing the other side of the conversation , other side of the conversation, context, context. of course. exactly. but then coming to your point , exactly. but then coming to your point, nigel, which is, you know what was how was government policy being made? i think we need to drag ourselves back to that time where we saw a rather reluctant boris johnson taking the country into lockdown, especially that first time and, you know, onwards ever more. so concerned about what was happening. but also, i just want to say this. there was a conversation that was was had hearing. i'm sorry just for a mem— hearing. i'm sorry just for a moment here.— hearing. i'm sorry just for a moment here. i'm- g i'm sorry just for a moment here. i'm sorry. i keep heathe— moment here. i'm sorry. i keep hearhe horre— moment here. i'm sorry. i keep hearing boris johnson believes in hearing boris johnson believes h taw— hearing boris johnson believes h tart tax,— hearing boris johnson believes in low tax, but— hearing boris johnson believes in low tax, but he— hearing boris johnson believes in low tax, but he puts taxes

“p-_ in low tax, but he puts taxes ah. .— in low tax, but he puts taxes at. r teet— in low tax, but he puts taxes up. i keep hearing boris tahmeem-e— up. i keep hearing boris johnson's a— up. i keep hearing boris johnson's a libertarian . and johnson's a libertarian. and yet,— johnson's a libertarian. and yet, eem— johnson's a libertarian. and yet, even against his better tateememt— yet, even against his better tateememt .— yet, even against his better tateememt , he— yet, even against his better judgement, he kept approving teettarme— judgement, he kept approving lockdowns and— judgement, he kept approving lockdowns and the harshest restrictions— lockdowns and the harshest restrictions ever— lockdowns and the harshest restrictions ever imposed on the hrttteh— restrictions ever imposed on the hrttteh hearte— restrictions ever imposed on the british people. you— restrictions ever imposed on the british people. you know, not even in wartime.— british people. you know, not even in wartime. yes. did we tate— even in wartime. yes. did we take away— even in wartime. yes. did we take away people's liberties? vea— take away people's liberties? tea wart— take away people's liberties? you work with— take away people's liberties? you work with him when he was mayer— you work with him when he was mayer et— you work with him when he was mayor of london— you work with him when he was mayor of london on these clearly are mayor of london on these clearly hte— mayor of london on these clearly are his character— mayor of london on these clearly are his character weaknesses. he are his character weaknesses. he the— are his character weaknesses. he the math— are his character weaknesses. he his main challenge- are his character weaknesses. he his main challenge and even when i worked with him and everyone who's ever worked with him will tell you this, is that he take everybody's opinion he will take everybody's opinion on to everyone on board. he listens to everyone in the room, rightly wrongly in the room, rightly or wrongly , become quite , and that can become quite challenging and he was getting a lot of information. we all saw the scientific officer and the chief scientific officer and the chief scientific officer and the medical officer the chief medical officer standing either side of the prime minister every time they were having those press conferences and the conferences agreeing. and the protecting the nhs line . now protecting the nhs line. now this is the pressure. the prime minister was under from these experts , from from the experts, from from the government to say this is what you've got to do. now, if he was going to stand aside and make a separate political decision, i think he would have had an even further difficulty with just

with the with government, with the experts, nhs, about how experts, with the nhs, about how we way through. and as we made our way through. and as you pretty much you said, nigel, pretty much every in the world every other country in the world was following this . doesn't mean was following this. doesn't mean they were right. it doesn't mean was following this. doesn't mean theythey right. it doesn't mean was following this. doesn't mean theythey rightright.resn't mean was following this. doesn't mean theythey rightright. but, mean was following this. doesn't mean theythey rightright. but, but an that they were right. but, but they . given that he's been they did. given that he's been reported— they did. given that he's been repartet aeah— they did. given that he's been reported again by— r: r: given that he's been reported again by the cabinet omtee— reported again by the cabinet office-potential- reported again by the cabinet office potential breaches of office for potential breaches of teettawm— office for potential breaches of teettarm ta— office for potential breaches of lockdown, do you— office for potential breaches of lockdown, do you feel there's an etememt— lockdown, do you feel there's an etememt at— lockdown, do you feel there's an element of witch— lockdown, do you feel there's an element of witch hunt against your— element of witch hunt against your att— element of witch hunt against your old friend? _ element of witch hunt against your old friend? �*ft�*rzll your old friend? well, you say. reporter cabinet reporter i think the cabinet office yet say office has has yet to say whether made decision or whether it made a decision or what he's done. it's just information which he hasn't been allowed clarify. they allowed to clarify. if they provided it without asking him, context wasn't right. he's again provided said provided the information he said it's been cleared by his lawyers that this was legal. what that this was all legal. what was happening. so i think, you know, there's still seems to be a steady drip feed of information that seems to damage bofis information that seems to damage boris johnson. and i think we've got to understand why that's happening, why is it that there is so much information that flows through the cabinet office sometimes without ministers oversight, even it needs to tighten up . government needs to tighten up. government needs to do things in a way that people

can understand the process. we don't want to do it by the civil service punishing boris johnson for service punishing boris johnson tar hrextt— service punishing boris johnson for brexit that— service punishing boris johnson for brexit that i— rtrz; punishing boris johnson for brexit that i couldn't haeethty— for brexit that i couldn't haeethty eay. - for brexit that i couldn't possibly say. for brexit that i couldn't- possibly say. i think, you know , the two things seem to be separate there because you've got brexit is something that has happened. boris johnson has been prime minister and ran the country and has done some wonderful things for the country, but also in times of need. covid was a time of need. the war in ukraine was a time of need led through those need and he led through those areas. i don't think people would hold some those things would hold some of those things against i think the civil against him. i think the civil service can't persecute or shouldn't former shouldn't persecute a former prime minister. it may feel that way. i know people use the word witch hunt. i think we have to ask ourselves , why do you do ask ourselves, why do you do these pieces of information? keep getting drip fed out . keep getting drip fed out. there's due process. there's a covid pas is a problem. covid faux pas is a problem. let's go through it. i think we all have a problem and i hope baroness hallett keeps this stuff tight to her chest. stuff very tight to her chest. i hope so too. the ball is now ttrmty— hope so too. the ball is now ttrmty h— hope so too. the ball is now ttrmty m the— hope so too. the ball is now firmly in the prime- the ball is now firmly in the prime minister's court—

firmly in the prime minister'si court—rte court and some are saying it's ettppery— court and some are saying it's ettapery. tteht— court and some are saying it's slippery. rishi he— court and some are saying it's slippery. rishi he won't answer whether— slippery. rishi he won't answer whether hy— slippery. rishi he won't answer whether by 4:00— slippery. rishi he won't answer whether by 4:00 tomorrow he's whether by 4:00 pm tomorrow he's going— whether by 4:00 pm tomorrow he's eatmelhamt— whether by 4:00 pm tomorrow he's earmalhaht att— whether by 4:00 pm tomorrow he's going hand all these going to hand all these documents— going to hand all these documents do going to hand all these documents-do think he documents over. do you think he wttte— documents over. do you think he wttte .— documents over. do you think he wttte . thht— documents over. do you think he will? i think there— documents over. do you think he will? i think there is a pressure on- will? i think there is a pressure on the government to hand— pressure on the government to hamt thre— pressure on the government to hand this information over. \tii]"�*t" hand this information over. now that— hand this information over. now that horre— hand this information over. now that boris johnson— hand this information over. now that boris johnson has- hand this information over. now that boris johnson has handed it to them . so, you know, if we're to them. so, you know, if we're going to have transparency, if we're going kick ball we're going to kick that ball away that there's away that says there's a so—called cover up, then we're going to have to go forward with information. then i think that opens up to everybody else's opens it up to everybody else's messages as well. that's a messages as well. and that's a challenge government. the challenge for government. the issue is the government and issue here is the government and the inquiry must put context around how this information comes forward so that the public understand and absolutely get that. covid thank you for joining— that. covid thank you for tamme me— that. covid thank you for tamme me .— that. covid thank you for joining me . and- covid thank you for joining me . and a piece of joining me. and a piece of atvtee— joining me. and a piece of atvtee tar— joining me. and a piece of advice for me— joining me. and a piece of advice for me ,_ joining me. and a piece of advice for me , for you, for all advice for me, for you, for all of advice for me, for you, for all at yea— advice for me, for you, for all at you .— advice for me, for you, for all at you . tt— advice for me, for you, for all of you . if you're— advice for me, for you, for all of you . if you're on whatsapp, of you. if you're on whatsapp, use disappearing— of you. if you're on whatsapp, use disappearing messages heeaaee— use disappearing messages heaeethem— use disappearing messages because then they disappear and nobody— because then they disappear and mahaty am— because then they disappear and nobody can ever— because then they disappear and nobody can ever catch up with you— nobody can ever catch up with you aaatm— nobody can ever catch up with you aeam. amt— nobody can ever catch up with you again. and that's certainly what— you again. and that's certainly what .— you again. and that's certainly what . thht— you again. and that's certainly what i think everyone ought to do. what i think everyone ought to to. hat— what i think everyone ought to to. hat h— what i think everyone ought to do. but in this— what i think everyone ought to do. but in this case, let's get it do. but in this case, let's get tt eat— do. but in this case, let's get tt eat there. — do. but in this case, let's get it out there. let's— do. but in this case, let's get it out there. let's try and

eetahtteh— it out there. let's try and establish the— it out there. let's try and establish the truth. now now, the institute _ establish the truth. now now, the institute of— establish the truth. now now, the institute of economic httatre— the institute of economic affairs have— the institute of economic affairs have just done a big eamey— affairs have just done a big eamey amt— affairs have just done a big survey and guess what? the uk is the mmerh— survey and guess what? the uk is the number one— survey and guess what? the uk is the number one nanny state in the number one nanny state in the european— the number one nanny state in the european time zone. we are hterterhe— the european time zone. we are tmterterha h— the european time zone. we are interfering in terms of people , interfering in terms of people, hereehat— interfering in terms of people, personal choices— interfering in terms of people, personal choices and habits, tham— personal choices and habits, more than any— personal choices and habits, more than any other country with tame— more than any other country with tame amt— more than any other country with bans and taxes— more than any other country with bans and taxes .— more than any other country with bans and taxes. is— more than any other country with bans and taxes. is it making the country— bans and taxes. is it making the country amy— bans and taxes. is it making the country any healthier ? no. is country any healthier? no. is there— country any healthier? no. is there a— country any healthier? no. is there a better— country any healthier? no. is there a better way? well wilfred emmanuel—jones,_ there a better way? well wilfred emmanuel—jones, in a moment, wttt— emmanuel—jones, in a moment, wttt teth— emmanuel—jones, in a moment, wttt term me— emmanuel—jones, in a moment, wttt term me te— emmanuel—jones, in a moment, will join me to perhaps give us a better— will join me to perhaps give us a better way— will join me to perhaps give us a better way forward . a better way forward. camtma— a better way forward. coming ah- a better way forward. coming up on dan wootton tonight , atter— coming up on dan wootton tonight , atter tamam— coming up on dan wootton tonight , after eamonn holmes exposed the ttetarhha— , after eamonn holmes exposed the disturbing truth about his tamer— the disturbing truth about his former colleague, phillip sehattett— former colleague, phillip schofield . _ former colleague, phillip schofield . ' r: g former colleague, phillip- schofield . and this morning now, schofield. and this morning now, phillips, female arch nemesis speaks out against the toxic culture at itv after she was dfiven culture at itv after she was driven to feeling suicidal by this shocking on air confrontation. ian this shocking on air confrontation . ian i'm honest confrontation. ian i'm honest vea— confrontation. ian i'm honest now. you don't— confrontation. ian i'm honest now. you don't seem- f ian i'm honest now. you don't seem right to me.

mmhe,— now. you don't seem right to me. sittingr etttma— now. you don't seem right to me. sitting, sitting here— now. you don't seem right to me. sitting, sitting here now. i mean, your speech is a bit etemem— mean, your speech is a bit etarret. .— mean, your speech is a bit slurred. i mean,- mean, your speech is a bit slurred. i mean, how do you how are slurred. i mean, how do you how yea— slurred. i mean, how do you how yea teetma— slurred. i mean, how do you how are you feeling now? it is a bit tram— are you feeling now? it is a bit tram ttv— are you feeling now? it is a bit from itv daytime— are you feeling now? it is a bit from itv daytime star kerry hatama— from itv daytime star kerry tatama htte— from itv daytime star kerry katona hits out— from itv daytime star kerry katona hits out at the woke broadcaster— katona hits out at the woke broadcaster in— katona hits out at the woke broadcaster in another bombshell eeaette — broadcaster in another bombshell eeaette 9 — broadcaster in another bombshell excretxet 9 ta— broadcaster in another bombshell exclusive 9 to 11— broadcaster in another bombshell exclusive 9 to 11 pm. only on at — exclusive 9 to 11 pm. only on at here— exclusive 9 to 11 pm. only on gb news, britain's news .

g " you're listening to pgp " you're listening to gb again. you're listening to gb here— again. you're listening to gb heme tatte— again. you're listening to gb heme tattc .— again. you're listening to gb news radio . yes— prgp " you're listening to gb news radio . yes we all know. news radio. yes we all know. yesr_ news radio. yes we all know. vee. we— news radio. yes we all know. tee. we reatty— news radio. yes we all know. yes, we really do. _ news radio. yes we all know. yes, we really do. all- news radio. yes we all know. yes, we really do. all know excess alcohol isn't good for you. smoking isn't good for you. huge consumption of sugary dfinks huge consumption of sugary drinks and bad food isn't good for you . i think we all actually for you. i think we all actually know that. and yet the reaction from our government has been to clamp down with alcohol taxes. astonishing tobacco taxes and bans on smoking in fact, everywhere you look , the everywhere you look, the government is telling us what we can't do, attempting to ban us and taxing us to the hilt. the

only exception being vapes, where we appear to have taken very little action. and really interesting that the institute of economic affairs, they have said to us that with a number one nanny state in europe and yet is our health getting any better? no, actually, as a country, it's declining . is country, it's declining. is there a better way of doing this? well, i'm joined by wilfred emmanuel jones, mba farmer , food entrepreneur. and farmer, food entrepreneur. and of course, you have your your black farmer range of products and you've had a chance of trying some brilliant. i've been all of it. i like the vodka particularly, but oh gosh hey i'll be in trouble here as well. but listen, everything that- but listen, everything that yre— but listen, everything that ye tret— but listen, everything that you've just said. yes. about hearte— you've just said. yes. about hecpte thaw— you've just said. yes. about people know what's right for them. — people know what's right for them. .we— people know what's right for them. we should leave it them. yes, we should leave it tarm— them. yes, we should leave it term-hearte— them. yes, we should leave it- down-people-decisions down to people to make decisions ahcrt— down to people to make decisions abort—amt— down to people to make decisions about—and what- down to people to make decisions about and what food about what drink and what food that— about what drink and what food that they— about what drink and what food that they consume. but what has teem— that they consume. but what has teem haphemme— that they consume. but what has been happening the last been happening over the last tent— been happening over the last rem—that- ten, 15 years is that governments have been going ten, 15 years is that— governments have been going to the supermarkets— governments have been going to the supermarkets ,_ governments have been going to the supermarkets , it's been the supermarkets, it's been going— the supermarkets, it's been going te— the supermarkets, it's been going to the— the supermarkets, it's been going to the manufacturers and eaytma— going to the manufacturers and eayme ta—

going to the manufacturers and eayme to them,— going to the manufacturers and saying to them, okay, someone hae— saying to them, okay, someone hae cme— saying to them, okay, someone hae art— saying to them, okay, someone has come out with— saying to them, okay, someone has come out with some report that-e— has come out with some report that-e eayma— has come out with some report that's saying the— has come out with some report that's saying the reason for cheetty— that's saying the reason for cheetty te— that's saying the reason for obesity is your— that's saying the reason for obesity is your fault. mr supermarket— obesity is your fault. mr supermarket ,- obesity is your fault. mr supermarket , your fault supermarket, your fault manufacturer- supermarket, your fault manufacturer and therefore we want— manufacturer and therefore we want yar— manufacturer and therefore we want ycr ta— manufacturer and therefore we want ycr to ram— manufacturer and therefore we want you to put less salt in he— want you to put less salt in teee eraar— want you to put less salt in less sugar and— want you to put less salt in less sugar and less fat in and at the— less sugar and less fat in and at the bottom _ less sugar and less fat in and at the bottom line is this the three— at the bottom line is this the three thhae— at the bottom line is this the three things that— at the bottom line is this the three things that make food taete— three things that make food taete acct— three things that make food taste good is— three things that make food taste good is fat salt and erara— taste good is fat salt and erare haw— taste good is fat salt and sugar. now all- taste good is fat salt and sugar. now all you've got to do is sugar. now all you've got to do he have— sugar. now all you've got to do he have the— sugar. now all you've got to do is have the self—discipline of theythe— is have the self—discipline of knowing how— is have the self—discipline of knowing how much you have . knowing how much you have. var-re— knowing how much you have. var-re mat— knowing how much you have. you're not preaching- knowing how much you have. /rzr. f g i'm you're not preaching. i'm telling you what- /rz.r. f g i'm telling you what you're v/rz. f g i'm telling you what you're not. var-re— telling you what you're not. var-re reatty— telling you what you're not. you're really saying this is a we ehcrtt— you're really saying this is a we should have— you're really saying this is a we should have personal responsibility— we should have personal responsibility . oh, man. we should have personal responsibility. oh, man. i'm tettha— responsibility. oh, man. i'm tettme yer.— responsibility. oh, man. i'm telling you, it's— responsibility. oh, man. i'm telling you, it's we're getting tate— telling you, it's we're getting htc a— telling you, it's we're getting into a society— telling you, it's we're getting into a society where it's always someone else's fault, rather tham— someone else's fault, rather than actually— someone else's fault, rather than actually people saying or mamma— than actually people saying or tmcwha tt-e— than actually people saying or knowing it's down to them . and knowing it's down to them. and our knowing it's down to them. and tact— knowing it's down to them. and our food industry— knowing it's down to them. and our food industry are really etarttma— our food industry are really etarthe ta— our food industry are really starting to dictate to people what— starting to dictate to people what they— starting to dictate to people what they can— starting to dictate to people what they can and cannot consume. and— what they can and cannot consume. and so one of the reasons i've got— consume. and so one of the reasons i've got i- consume. and so one of the reasons i've got i launched my mama— reasons i've got i launched my hraht. tar— reasons i've got i launched my brand, for example, is that a lot brand, for example, is that a tat ct— brand, for example, is that a tat at the— brand, for example, is that a lot of the products, when they-re— lot of the products, when they-re art— lot of the products, when they're out there and they're artte— they're out there and they're artte mama.— they're out there and they're quite bland, they're bland hecare— quite bland, they're bland because the— quite bland, they're bland because the things that make it taete— because the things that make it taete-have— because the things that make it

taste-have been- because the things that make it taste have been taken out. taste good have been taken out. amt— taste good have been taken out. amt ec— taste good have been taken out. amt ea tt— taste good have been taken out. amt ea tt-hechte- taste good have been taken out. and so it people like me an and so it gave people like me an cppcrtrmtty— and so it gave people like me an cppcrtrmtty ta— and so it gave people like me an cppcrtrmtty ta ta— and so it gave people like me an opportunity to do something ahcrt— opportunity to do something abort-re— opportunity to do something ahcrt-re a— opportunity to do something about us a great taste. about giving us a great taste. now— about giving us a great taste. haw. tt— about giving us a great taste. haw. tt yer— about giving us a great taste. haw. tt ycr ate— about giving us a great taste. now, if you ate my sausages all day— now, if you ate my sausages all tay longr— now, if you ate my sausages all tay longr yre— now, if you ate my sausages all day long, you're going to have a serious problem,— day long, you're going to have a serious problem, not only with cheetty— serious problem, not only with cheetty. tt-e— serious problem, not only with obesity, it's not— serious problem, not only with obesity, it's not going to be good— obesity, it's not going to be good-50- obesity, it's not going to be acct-sc-mctl good for you. so i'm not atvccatha— good for you. so i'm not advocating that. what i'm atxccathe— advocating that. what i'm advocating to _ advocating that. what i'm advocating to is that advocating to people is that they— advocating to people is that they tate— advocating to people is that they take some— advocating to people is that they take some responsibility amt— they take some responsibility amt-certah- they take some responsibility and certain things and there's certain things the erpermartete— and there's certain things the supermarkets started and there's certain things the- supermarkets-started to and there's certain things the- su;becausets-started to and there's certain things the su;because it's started to and there's certain things the su;because it's been started to and there's certain things the su;because it's been dictated d to and there's certain things the su;because it's been dictated to :o do because it's been dictated to them — do because it's been dictated to them hy— do because it's been dictated to them by government. do you remember when— them by government. do you remember when used to be remember when you used to be atte— remember when you used to be ahte-htc— remember when you used to be able into supermarkets able to go into the supermarkets and able to go into the supermarkets amt-atte— able to go into the supermarkets amt-ahte ta— able to go into the supermarkets and-able to have- and you'd be able to have your eweete— and you'd be able to have your eweete-at— and you'd be able to have your sweets-at-till- and you'd be able to have your sweets-at-till and- and you'd be able to have your sweets at till and all sweets right at the till and all thatc— sweets right at the till and all mate-marr— sweets right at the till and all that?-now gone.- sweets right at the till and all that? now gone. it's had that? that's now gone. it's had to he— that? that's now gone. it's had to he hrt— that? that's now gone. it's had to he hrt rteht— that? that's now gone. it's had to be put right at— that? that's now gone. it's had to be put right at the back of the— to be put right at the back of the etcre— to be put right at the back of the store because— to be put right at the back of the store because they don't thht— the store because they don't that-cam— the store because they don't think-can be— the store because they don't think can be responsible, think we can be responsible, mret— think we can be responsible,. mret—ycr must be remote. we can't, you thaw.— must be remote. we can't, you them-cart— must be remote. we can't, you know,.can't allow- must be remote. we can't, you know, can't allow people to know, we can't allow people to mate— know, we can't allow people to mate-arm— know, we can't allow people to make-own choices.- know, we can't allow people to make own choices. we have make their own choices. we have to make their own choices. we have tc-htc— make their own choices. we have tc-htc the— make their own choices. we have to-into the back- make their own choices. we have to-into the back of- make their own choices. we have to into the back of the to put it into the back of the etre — to put it into the back of the etre sc— to put it into the back of the store. so that's— to put it into the back of the store. so that's what they've etartet— store. so that's what they've etartet tc — store. so that's what they've started to do,— store. so that's what they've started to do, is— store. so that's what they've started to do, is the things that— started to do, is the things that we— started to do, is the things that we like _ started to do, is the things that we like when we want to carve— that we like when we want to give ourselves— that we like when we want to give ourselves a— that we like when we want to give ourselves a treat, we've act— give ourselves a treat, we've act te— give ourselves a treat, we've act to 90— give ourselves a treat, we've now got to go wandering for it amt— now got to go wandering for it amt .— now got to go wandering for it amt . tret— now got to go wandering for it and i just don't— now got to go wandering for it and i just don't think that is eart— and i just don't think that is eat—amt- sort of acceptable. and it's theee— sort of acceptable. and it's theee-that- sort of acceptable. and it'si these -that-going sort of acceptable. and it's- these-that-going out these groups that are going out tethe— these groups that are going out ache thre— these groups that are going out doing this research and say this is doing this research and say this he the— doing this research and say this he the em— doing this research and say this is the reason people are is the reason why people are hamme— is the reason why people are haxme theee—

is the reason why people are having these health conditions. so-government,- having these health conditions. so government, you do so therefore, government, you do ecmethha—wel something about it. you if we go tact—yar— something about it. you if we go tact—yer thew.- something about it. you if we go back—you know, youj back a few years, you know, you were a conservative— back a few years, you know, you were a conservative party acttvtet— were a conservative party acttvtet. — were a conservative party activist . you- were a conservative party activist. v/rz. activist. you were a parliamentary candy idiot. you are a libertarian. you believe and you've expounded it very fully and very passionately that actually we take responsibility for our lives. you know, we don't want to live in a nanny state. it doesn't work anyway . state. it doesn't work anyway. how is it this policy that you were so much a part of has has gone down this route? it's as though you are talking to a socialist government. the type of things socialist government. the type ct three that— socialist government. the type of things that have— socialist government. the type of things that have now- f g the type of things that have now been tater— of things that have now been taken ae— of things that have now been taken ae hart— of things that have now been taken as part of— of things that have now been taken as part of the mainstream . rte— taken as part of the mainstream . tt-e reatty— taken as part of the mainstream . it's really shocking and then eche— . it's really shocking and then game are— . it's really shocking and then gone the— . it's really shocking and then gone are the days— . it's really shocking and then gone are the days when we had ct— gone are the days when we had at my— gone are the days when we had at my great— gone are the days when we had one of my great favourites was thatchertem — one of my great favourites was thatcherism that— one of my great favourites was thatcherism that actually agreed and recognised— thatcherism that actually agreed and recognised that people are mrch— and recognised that people are mrch hetter— and recognised that people are much better if— and recognised that people are much better if they're giving some response— much better if they're giving some response ability to look atter— some response ability to look after themselves— some response ability to look after themselves . and it seems after themselves. and it seems that— after themselves. and it seems that the— after themselves. and it seems that the woke— after themselves. and it seems that the woke brigade are the wha— that the woke brigade are the ones who are now trying to ttctate— ones who are now trying to ttctate ta— ones who are now trying to dictate to us— ones who are now trying to dictate to us what we should and ehcrttm-t— dictate to us what we should and moment te— dictate to us what we should and shouldn't do with— dictate to us what we should and

shouldn't do with our lives. and i shouldn't do with our lives. and ttret— shouldn't do with our lives. and ttret-ccmee— shouldn't do with our lives. and ttret-ccmee at- shouldn't do with our lives. and ijust-comes at a- shouldn't do with our lives. and i just comes at a time i just think it comes at a time when— i just think it comes at a time when somebody— i just think it comes at a time when somebody has to stand up amt— when somebody has to stand up amt-te— when somebody has to stand up amt-he emcreh— when somebody has to stand up and is enough. and and say it is enough. and this is and say it is enough. and this he thareh— and say it is enough. and this is though actually this is what the ccrmtry— is though actually this is what the ccrmtry te— is though actually this is what the country is crying out for someone-brave- the country is crying out for someone brave enough to someone who's brave enough to eay—tc- someone who's brave enough to eay—tc tate- someone who's brave enough to say,_to take thisi say, we don't want to take this nonsense anymore. to be nonsense anymore. we want to be atte— nonsense anymore. we want to be ahtelhe— nonsense anymore. we want to be ahtelhe-the— nonsense anymore. we want to be able . be -the freedom - nonsense anymore. we want to be able be the freedom to able to be given the freedom to do able to be given the freedom to tea—oar- do things ourselves. our prchteme— do things ourselves. our problems-not- do things ourselves. our problems not all because problems are not all because somebody has it. somebody else has done it. exactly right. done it to exactly right. we've done it to ourselves. ulez exactly right. it's ourselves. ulez exactly right. he very— ourselves. ulez exactly right. it's very interesting,- ulez exactly right. it's very interesting, wilfred, hamme— it's very interesting, wilfred, hammer-ch. - it's very interesting, wilfred, hammer-ch. t-m- it's very interesting, wilfred, having on. i'm sorry. having you back on. i'm sorry. t-m— having you back on. i'm sorry. t-m hat— having you back on. i'm sorry. m not ee— having you back on. i'm sorry. m not .— having you back on. i'm sorry. i'm not sure , but— having you back on. i'm sorry. i'm not sure , but i- having you back on. i'm sorry. i'm not sure , but i could be i'm not sure, but i could be yattme— i'm not sure, but i could be yatttmelaaee- i'm not sure, but i could be yakking ages. no, no, no. yakking for ages. no, no, no. hecaree— yakking for ages. no, no, no. because actually,— yakking for ages. no, no, no. because actually, what- yakking for ages. no, no, no. because actually, what you've just what you've just preached, what you've spoken , would now be seen spoken about, would now be seen by many other broadcasters to be on caring that you have literally, literally abdicated the role of government in making our lives better. you're saying we've got to stand up as grown ups on our own two feet, look after ourselves and make our own decisions. and could i just say ather— decisions. and could i just say one other thing— decisions. and could i just say one other thing that- czrt. and could i just say one other thing that really trrttatee— one other thing that really irritates me?— one other thing that really irritates me? there's a lot of hearte— irritates me? there's a lot of hecpte wha— irritates me? there's a lot of people who make a lot of money by tettha— people who make a lot of money by tettma-reet— people who make a lot of money by telling-rest of— people who make a lot of money by telling rest of us what by telling the rest of us what we by telling the rest of us what tre-ta— by telling the rest of us what tre-ta wtth— by telling the rest of us what we - do with - lives. i we should do with our lives. rte— we should do with our lives. rte-hearte— we should do with our lives. tt-e-hechte we- we should do with our lives. it's people we should be

it's those people we should be eettha— it's those people we should be tether-ct.— it's those people we should be eettmelct. tt-e— it's those people we should be getting of. it's amazing. getting rid of. it's amazing. there-e— getting rid of. it's amazing. there-e a— getting rid of. it's amazing. there's a massive industry out there.— there's a massive industry out there-ec— there's a massive industry out there,-so called- there's a massive industry out there, so called people there, these so called people tetttme— there, these so called people tettha re— there, these so called people telling us, those— there, these so called people telling us, those of us down there— telling us, those of us down there actually— telling us, those of us down there actually do what we say rather— there actually do what we say rather tham— there actually do what we say rather than do _ there actually do what we say rather than do what you want. mayhe— rather than do what you want. hayhe there-e— rather than do what you want. maybe there's a— rather than do what you want. maybe there's a role- rather than do what you want. maybe there's a role here- rather than do what you want. maybe there's a role here for the church and the schools to teach concepts of personal teach these concepts of personal responsibility, too. well, i just think in— responsibility, too. well, i just think in all- l ear well, i just think in all families, we have— just think in all families, we have ta— just think in all families, we have to recognise that you come tate— have to recognise that you come hate the— have to recognise that you come into this world— have to recognise that you come into this world on— have to recognise that you come into this world on your own. what— into this world on your own. what we— into this world on your own. what welae— into this world on your own. what we as parents is that we what we do as parents is that we ahe— what we do as parents is that we atve-chtttreh— what we do as parents is that we give-children the— what we do as parents is that we give children the skills give our children the skills they— give our children the skills they-ta— give our children the skills they-to.able- give our children the skills they-to i able to i give our children the skills they to able to go give our children the skills- they-to.able to go out they need to be able to go out there— they need to be able to go out there h— they need to be able to go out there h the— they need to be able to go out there in this world— they need to be able to go out there in this world make there in this world and make ecmethha— there in this world and make something-own- there in this world and make something own rather something of their own rather tham— something of their own rather than that— something of their own rather than think it's— something of their own rather than think it's going be than think it's going to be hamtet— than think it's going to be handed -them- than think it's going to be handed -them .- than think it's going to be- handed -them . we've got handed down to them. we've got tate— handed down to them. we've got htc a— handed down to them. we've got htc a crttrre— handed down to them. we've got into a culture where people eeh— into a culture where people somehow feel— into a culture where people somehow feel they're owed it. he— somehow feel they're owed it. he hamtet— somehow feel they're owed it. it's handed down— somehow feel they're owed it. it's handed down to them. i agree— it's handed down to them. i agree-mat— it's handed down to them. i agree not acceptable. great agree it's not acceptable. great to — agree it's not acceptable. great to tt-e— agree it's not acceptable. great to see. it's nice— agree it's not acceptable. great to see. it's nice to— agree it's not acceptable. great to see. it's nice to be on a gun- — to see. it's nice to be on a gun- .— to see. it's nice to be on a gun- r ttrmt— to see. it's nice to be on a gun. i think we- to see. it's nice to be on a gun. to see. it's nice to be on a- gun. i think we may have to do a regular feature. common sense will alfred's common sense and that's what it is. and actually what wilfred said, if anybody had said this a few decades ago would have been considered. well, of course, obviously . and well, of course, obviously. and yet now, as the state gets bigger and bigger and bigger , we bigger and bigger and bigger, we all think that actually we're

not responsible for anything. and the state will bail us out. and the state will bail us out. and you know what? it doesn't work. in moment, return to work. in a moment, we return to the turnberry on the the magnificent turnberry on the day the royal and ancient saint andrews golf club have decided that the british open will not go to the number one golf course in britain and europe . why? in britain and europe. why? because a certain american friend of called donald friend of mine called donald owns it all of that in just a moment .

p.m. only on gb news, britain's news . channel few weeks ago, we news. channel few weeks ago, we at— news. channel few weeks ago, we were at turnberry— news. channel few weeks ago, we were at turnberry up— news. channel few weeks ago, we were at turnberry up on- " few weeks ago, we were at turnberry up on the west ccaet— were at turnberry up on the west ccaet ct— were at turnberry up on the west coast of scotland— were at turnberry up on the west coast of scotland in ayrshire, amt— coast of scotland in ayrshire, amt we— coast of scotland in ayrshire, and we were there with donald trrmn— and we were there with donald trrmh. wha— and we were there with donald trump, who owns— and we were there with donald trump, who owns the course and is trump, who owns the course and he tmmemeety— trump, who owns the course and is immensely proud— trump, who owns the course and is immensely proud of it. here he hae— is immensely proud of it. here he was talking— is immensely proud of it. here he was talking about the course amt— he was talking about the course amtlhrcehecte— he was talking about the course and-prospects of— he was talking about the course and prospects of hosting the and its prospects of hosting the hrttteh— and its prospects of hosting the hrttteh ohem— and its prospects of hosting the british open golf— and its prospects of hosting the british open golf championship . british open golf championship. they— british open golf championship. they want— british open golf championship. they want ta— british open golf championship. they want to te— british open golf championship. they want to be back— british open golf championship. they want to be back here- british open golf championship. they want to be back here very badly. they think i'm a controversial figure, but they want to be, you know , it's in want to be, you know, it's in the rota and everybody says it's

the rota and everybody says it's the best course in the world. but, you know, sometimes controversy is good. but yeah, i think so . controversy is good. but yeah, i think so. think controversy is good. but yeah, i think so . think think controversy is good. but yeah, i think so. think think i'm think so. i think they think i'm a bit of a controversial a little bit of a controversial figure even as president. but they're hurting. they're hurting golf because everybody wants to be a turnberry . everybody. the be a turnberry. everybody. the pros want to be here and the people want it to be here. this place would be packed. and actually, not controversial. actually, i'm not controversial. i done. actually, i'm not controversial. i done . well i just get things done. well that was donald trump on turnberry and he is, i have to say inordinately proud of it. he's changed 13 of the 18 holes wher— he's changed 13 of the 18 holes whem .— he's changed 13 of the 18 holes whem . hae— he's changed 13 of the 18 holes when i was there— he's changed 13 of the 18 holes when i was there with him at that— when i was there with him at that trme.— when i was there with him at that time, the _ when i was there with him at that time, the sixth and eevemth— that time, the sixth and seventh, he _ that time, the sixth and seventh, he thought could be hetter. — seventh, he thought could be even better. but— seventh, he thought could be even better. but despite being on even better. but despite being cm the— even better. but despite being cm the ttcta— even better. but despite being on the rota for— even better. but despite being on the rota for the open golf champtcmehtn— on the rota for the open golf championship, the royal and amctemt— championship, the royal and ancient saint— championship, the royal and ancient saint andrews have announced today they not be announced today they will not be retrmha— announced today they will not be retrmtme h— announced today they will not be returning in the— announced today they will not be returning in the short term to trmherry— returning in the short term to turnberry because they're warhea— turnberry because they're worried about— turnberry because they're worried about possible distract treetame— worried about possible distract russians. well,— worried about possible distract russians. well, me now russians. well, joining me now tarm— russians. well, joining me now term-te— russians. well, joining me now term-he tathh- russians. well, joining me now down is ralph pojani , down the line is ralph pojani, the genera— down the line is ralph pojani, the general manager of trump trmherry— the general manager of trump trmherry. sc— the general manager of trump turnberry. so ralph, they're not going— turnberry. so ralph, they're not acme ta— turnberry. so ralph, they're not going to cme— turnberry. so ralph, they're not going to come to— turnberry. so ralph, they're not going to come to you . the going to come to you. the hrttteh— going to come to you. the british open— going to come to you. the british open is—

going to come to you. the british open is not going to come. clearly— british open is not going to come. clearly the hotel is not acct— come. clearly the hotel is not good enough-— come. clearly the hotel is not good enough. and the golf course hem-t— good enough. and the golf course teh-t acct— good enough. and the golf course isn't good enough— good enough. and the golf course isn't good enough . e: g isn't good enough. good evening, nigel. well, actually, i think the real thing we need to talk aboutis the real thing we need to talk about is probably three things. the history , the golfers with the history, the golfers with the course and also the family. they're the important things here. i mean, the history at turnberry, nigel goes back to 1892 when five guys from girvan decided to build to create the course, and then the ailsa was born in 1902. it then survived , born in 1902. it then survived, as you know, because we saw the history when you were there, two world wars , it was rebuilt again world wars, it was rebuilt again and went on to host four open championships and the most magnificent open championship of all . the 1977 duel magnificent open championship of all. the 1977 duel in magnificent open championship of all . the 1977 duel in the sun. all. the 1977 duel in the sun. you know, so there's no question whether the open should return to turnberry. it's a i think it's a fact. nigel yeah, i mean, clearly this this word that the rna used, they're worried about

distracts russians. they're worried about— r: f t they're worried about donald trump being a tagger— worried about donald trump being a bigger marre— worried about donald trump being a bigger figure here than the golf- — a bigger figure here than the golf- tt— a bigger figure here than the golf- h the— a bigger figure here than the golf. if the event came to trmherry— golf. if the event came to turnberry, do _ golf. if the event came to turnberry, do you think that's a fair decision— turnberry, do you think that's a fair decision from _ turnberry, do you think that's a fair decision from them ? \rz.r fair decision from them? no. personally— fair decision from them? no. herechatty. .— fair decision from them? no. personally, i don't- fair decision from them? no. personally, i don't believe so, because i think i think what's important here is the is the golfers, you know, i mean, i think , you know, too often now think, you know, too often now people don't put the you know , people don't put the you know, the day time, the work job stuff to one side. what we need to focus on is golf the ailsa course is a magnificent course. it's number one as you said, uk ireland and europe just now you know the question i get asked every single day by hundreds of golfers that come through turnberry is when. and i can't answer that the question i hate to get asked all the time is they ask me why not? you know, because i can't think of a valid reason not to bring it to, you know , back to the ailsa course know, back to the ailsa course next. i mean, the family, the investment and the commitment of

the trump family have at turnberry is second to none. you know , 19 years i've been at know, 19 years i've been at turnberry, three owners from , turnberry, three owners from, you know, great hotel companies through to sheikh maktoum when we were owned by dubai world. and nobody's shown the commitment to turnberry , to commitment to turnberry, to scotland and to the uk with the investment over . $200 scotland and to the uk with the investment over. $200 million committed to turnberry . but the committed to turnberry. but the most important thing, you know there is that every single penny we take goes back into the course , goes back into the hotel course, goes back into the hotel and goes back into the local community. so the commitment to scotland and golf is second to none. you know what, ralph , with none. you know what, ralph, with or without the british open , i or without the british open, i know that turnberry is going to go on being a massive success. the trumps are enormously- the trumps are enormously proud of the trumps are enormously proud ct tt— the trumps are enormously proud ct tt amt— the trumps are enormously proud ct tt amt .— the trumps are enormously proud of it and i stayed— the trumps are enormously proud of it and i stayed there and yre— of it and i stayed there and ye doing— of it and i stayed there and ye doing a— of it and i stayed there and you're doing a great job and he— you're doing a great job and he a— you're doing a great job and it's a fantastic— you're doing a great job and it's a fantastic place. so don't let it's a fantastic place. so don't tet the— it's a fantastic place. so don't tet the tra— it's a fantastic place. so don't let the rna worry— it's a fantastic place. so don't let the rna worry you carry on tethe— let the rna worry you carry on ache what— let the rna worry you carry on doing what you're— let the rna worry you carry on doing what you're doing. and thank— doing what you're doing. and thank yar— doing what you're doing. and thamt ycr ter— doing what you're doing. and thank you for joining doing what you're doing. and thank you forjoining me thank you for joining me tcmtaht— thank you for joining me tonight. here— thank you for joining me tonight. here we will do on gb here. — tonight. here we will do on gb here. thaht— tonight. here we will do on gb news. thank you— tonight. here we will do on gb news. thank you .— tonight. here we will do on gb news. thank you . the what? the

news. thank you. the what? the taraee— news. thank you. the what? the taraae mmem— news. thank you. the what? the farage moment. i— news. thank you. the what? the farage moment. i bet you haven't heart— farage moment. i bet you haven't heart the— farage moment. i bet you haven't heart thte hrt— farage moment. i bet you haven't heard this, but i've— farage moment. i bet you haven't heard this, but i've warned you hetcre— heard this, but i've warned you hetcre that— heard this, but i've warned you before that in— heard this, but i've warned you before that in the— heard this, but i've warned you before that in the pursuit of met— before that in the pursuit of net zero, governments will take away— net zero, governments will take away ycrr— net zero, governments will take away your freedoms, your choices amt— away your freedoms, your choices amt ycrr— away your freedoms, your choices and your liberties,— away your freedoms, your choices and your liberties, and they trrtt— and your liberties, and they will diminish— and your liberties, and they will diminish your quality of the— will diminish your quality of the h— will diminish your quality of life in france— will diminish your quality of life in france .— will diminish your quality of life in france . they are banning life in france. they are banning tameettc— life in france. they are banning domestic flights. _ life in france. they are banning domestic flights. now, i'm not tethe— domestic flights. now, i'm not joking- they-re— domestic flights. now, i'm not joking. they're banning domestic tttehte— joking. they're banning domestic tttahte ch— joking. they're banning domestic flights on charter— joking. they're banning domestic flights on charter flights from mater— flights on charter flights from mater atmcrte— flights on charter flights from mater atmcrte .— flights on charter flights from major airports . they're also major airports. they're also hamha— major airports. they're also banning private— major airports. they're also banning private jet charter tttahte— banning private jet charter flights unless— banning private jet charter flights unless there's a very erectttc— flights unless there's a very specific business reason . now, specific business reason. now, there-e— specific business reason. now, there-e a— specific business reason. now, there-e a way— specific business reason. now, there's a way around this, of the— there's a way around this, of course, the way— there's a way around this, of course, the way round it is if you— course, the way round it is if yer ca— course, the way round it is if yer aet— course, the way round it is if yer get hy— course, the way round it is if you can get by train within 2.5 horre— you can get by train within 2.5 hcrre ta— you can get by train within 2.5 here to the— you can get by train within 2.5 hours to the destination , all hours to the destination, all the— hours to the destination, all the theme— hours to the destination, all the flights will— hours to the destination, all the flights will be banned . the flights will be banned. trcrhte— the flights will be banned. trcrhte te— the flights will be banned. trouble is, in— the flights will be banned. trouble is, in france, you go amt— trouble is, in france, you go amt try— trouble is, in france, you go amt try amt— trouble is, in france, you go amt try amt aet— trouble is, in france, you go and try and get a train from harte. — and try and get a train from paris. you'll— and try and get a train from paris. you'll find— and try and get a train from paris. you'll find they're hearty— paris. you'll find they're nearly always- paris. you'll find they're nearly always full. probably they-tt— nearly always full. probably they-tt tcrce— nearly always full. probably they'll force more people actratty— they'll force more people actually back— they'll force more people actually back out onto the roads . thre— actually back out onto the roads . thte ham— actually back out onto the roads . thte ham cm— actually back out onto the roads . this ban on short— actually back out onto the roads . this ban on short haul flights tam-t— . this ban on short haul flights tam-t thtmt— . this ban on short haul flights don't think this— . this ban on short haul flights don't think this is— . this ban on short haul flights don't think this is confined to trance— don't think this is confined to trace rte— don't think this is confined to france. it's coming here soon in the— france. it's coming here soon in the hrrertt— france. it's coming here soon in the hrrertt ct— france. it's coming here soon in the pursuit of net— france. it's coming here soon in the pursuit of net zero. they trrtt— the pursuit of net zero. they wttt tate— the pursuit of net zero. they will take away— the pursuit of net zero. they will take away many of our

chctcee— will take away many of our choices and— will take away many of our choices and many of our freedoms . amt— choices and many of our freedoms . amt att— choices and many of our freedoms . amt ah the— choices and many of our freedoms . and all the while,— choices and many of our freedoms . and all the while, the rest of the— . and all the while, the rest of the wcrtt— . and all the while, the rest of the world will— . and all the while, the rest of the world will burn 8 billion the— the world will burn 8 billion tree at— the world will burn 8 billion tonnes of coal— the world will burn 8 billion tonnes of coal in— the world will burn 8 billion tonnes of coal in 2023. well tattha— tonnes of coal in 2023. well tattha ct— tonnes of coal in 2023. well talking of ridiculous ironies , talking of ridiculous ironies, it talking of ridiculous ironies, tt te— talking of ridiculous ironies, tt te artte— talking of ridiculous ironies, it is quite extraordinary to see her— it is quite extraordinary to see her a— it is quite extraordinary to see how a government that says it hamte— how a government that says it wamte ta— how a government that says it wamte to etch— how a government that says it wants to stop the _ how a government that says it wants to stop the boats and ccmtrct— wants to stop the boats and cchtrct rr— wants to stop the boats and control our borders actually for yeare— control our borders actually for yeare amt— control our borders actually for years and still— control our borders actually for years and still goes on funding organisations— years and still goes on funding organisations who— years and still goes on funding organisations who are completely capaeet— organisations who are completely caaceet ta— organisations who are completely opposed to virtually any form of hater— opposed to virtually any form of border control.— opposed to virtually any form of border control. it— opposed to virtually any form of border control. it makes you were— border control. it makes you weter whe— border control. it makes you wonder who the _ border control. it makes you wonder who the real conservative party— wonder who the real conservative party — wonder who the real conservative party .— wonder who the real conservative party . wett— wonder who the real conservative party are . well, of— wonder who the real conservative party are . well, of course, party are. well, of course, charte— party are. well, of course, charlie peters— party are. well, of course, charlie peters is. the gb news hweettaatee— charlie peters is. the gb news hweettaatee .— charlie peters is. the gb news investigates . reporter charlie, investigates. reporter charlie, teth— investigates. reporter charlie, tett re— investigates. reporter charlie, tell us about— investigates. reporter charlie, tell us about this ludicrous etate— tell us about this ludicrous etate et— tell us about this ludicrous state of affairs— tell us about this ludicrous state of affairs . tithz state of affairs. we have a new update to this story now. so the telegraph broke yesterday that the government was funding to the government was funding to the tune of £1.36 million. the paul hamlyn foundation.- sly ll rzr" the paul hamlyn foundation. a 3ly ll rzr" the paul hamlyn foundation. a left wing— paul hamlyn foundation. a left wing ereeerre— paul hamlyn foundation. a left wing pressure group that was erehhe— wing pressure group that was erehma-wewe— wing pressure group that was pushing views that the pushing out views that the government's— pushing out views that the government's migration system was government's migration system wae—ractet.- government's migration system —aeracet ttl was systematically racist. it atee— was systematically racist. it atee-thte— was systematically racist. it also-links and- was systematically racist. it also-links and it- was systematically racist. it also links and it had funded also had links and it had funded one also had links and it had funded et— also had links and it had funded et the— also had links and it had funded one of the members of the

wterattem— one of the members of the migration advisory committee, a hay— migration advisory committee, a taty cathet— migration advisory committee, a lady called madeline sumption. it's lady called madeline sumption. tt-e-hereem— lady called madeline sumption. it's-person team - lady called madeline sumption. it's-person team .- lady called madeline sumption. it's person team . gb news it's a five person team. gb news ttecteee— it's a five person team. gb news can disclose today— it's a five person team. gb news can disclose today that another memter— can disclose today that another member committee, member of the committee, hreteeeer— member of the committee, professor joe _ member of the committee, professor joe swaffield from the rmweretty— professor joe swaffield from the university southampton, professor joe swaffield from the university southampton , is university of southampton, is atee—ty- university of southampton, is atee—ty a- university of southampton, is atee—ty a tett| university of southampton, is. also—by a left wing also being funded by a left wing treeerre arert— also being funded by a left wing pressure group that is the teeth— pressure group that is the joseph rowntree foundation . it's joseph rowntree foundation. it's recewet— joseph rowntree foundation. it's recetwet tt— joseph rowntree foundation. it's received £2 million in government- received £2 million in government grants since 2020. she— government grants since 2020. she ette— government grants since 2020. she ette at— government grants since 2020. she sits at the— government grants since 2020. she sits at the foundation as a trretee— she sits at the foundation as a trretee amt— she sits at the foundation as a trustee and it— she sits at the foundation as a trustee and it has— she sits at the foundation as a trustee and it has made a rather set trustee and it has made a rather eet et— trustee and it has made a rather set of controversial— trustee and it has made a rather set of controversial claims. it is set of controversial claims. it te tt— set of controversial claims. it te tt te— set of controversial claims. it is it is claim— set of controversial claims. it is it is claim that— set of controversial claims. it is it is claim that the mtarattem— is it is claim that the migration policies in this cermtry— migration policies in this cermtry ae— migration policies in this country are institutionally ractet— country are institutionally ractet. tt— country are institutionally racist. it has— country are institutionally racist. it has slammed hostile mterattem— racist. it has slammed hostile migration policies and it's also its migration policies and it's also tte cro— migration policies and it's also tte cto hae— migration policies and it's also its ceo has said— migration policies and it's also its ceo has said that we've all arewm— its ceo has said that we've all grown rt— its ceo has said that we've all grown rt h— its ceo has said that we've all grown up in institutions that teeter— grown up in institutions that foster racism _ grown up in institutions that foster racism and also it also trmee— foster racism and also it also funds detention— foster racism and also it also funds detention action, a pressure group linked to very ttterat— pressure group linked to very liberal approaches to migration, whtch— liberal approaches to migration, whtch hae— liberal approaches to migration, which has also— liberal approaches to migration, which has also slammed our terter— which has also slammed our border policies— which has also slammed our border policies as racist. so the— border policies as racist. so the government— border policies as racist. so the government uses our money, taxpayer— the government uses our money, taxtayer memey— the government uses our money, taxtayer memey te— the government uses our money, taxpayer money to fund organisations- taxpayer money to fund organisations who say basically there— organisations who say basically there ehertt— organisations who say basically there should be— organisations who say basically there should be no border cemtrete— there should be no border controls whatsoever over whilst aewemmemt— controls whatsoever over whilst government policy is to stop the teate— government policy is to stop the teate amt— government policy is to stop the boats and reduce— government policy is to stop the boats and reduce immigration.

macer— boats and reduce immigration. mteet amt— boats and reduce immigration. indeed, and the— boats and reduce immigration. indeed, and the remarkable thing is that this professor has registered her interests with the government. it's publicly awattatte— the government. it's publicly available information - g it's publicly available information , so the available information, so the aewemmemt— available information, so the government must be aware that it is government must be aware that it he recetwma— government must be aware that it is receiving migration advice trem— is receiving migration advice trem a— is receiving migration advice trem a very— is receiving migration advice from a very small elite group that— from a very small elite group that he— from a very small elite group that he a— from a very small elite group that is a new— from a very small elite group that is a new labour founded orange— that is a new labour founded eramae trtt— that is a new labour founded quango full of— that is a new labour founded quango full of people who are water— quango full of people who are thtet te— quango full of people who are linked to left— quango full of people who are linked to left wing pressure arerte— linked to left wing pressure arerte ee— linked to left wing pressure arerte ee they— linked to left wing pressure groups so they can say one thing on groups so they can say one thing at them— groups so they can say one thing on their migration— groups so they can say one thing on their migration policy, but the atwce— on their migration policy, but the advice they— on their migration policy, but the advice they choose to receive and _ the advice they choose to receive and the- the advice they choose to receive and the people they chee— receive and the people they chee te— receive and the people they choose to - say- receive and the people they- choose to - say completely choose to support say completely the—wemter— the opposite. i wonder whether charte— the opposite. i wonder whether chartte .— the opposite. i wonder whether charlie ,iwonder_ the opposite. i wonder whether charlie , wonder the charlie, i wonder whether the mhtetere— charlie, i wonder whether the ministers ever— charlie, i wonder whether the ministers ever get told this etrtt. — ministers ever get told this etrtt. vee- — ministers ever get told this stuff. yes. well— ministers ever get told this stuff. yes. well it's all online if stuff. yes. well it's all online tt they— stuff. yes. well it's all online tt theylthey— stuff. yes. well it's all online if theylthey want- stuff. yes. well it's all online if they they want to. look, if they if they want to. look, i that— if they if they want to. look, i that terhate— if they if they want to. look, ii think perhaps—say think perhaps some might say there-e— think perhaps some might say there-e a— think perhaps some might say there's a dereliction of duty trem— there's a dereliction of duty trem the— there's a dereliction of duty from the number of migration mhtetere— from the number of migration ministers-had- from the number of migration ministers had who from the number of migration ministers-had who be ministers we've had who must be recetwme— ministers we've had who must be recetwhe att— ministers we've had who must be receiving all this— ministers we've had who must be receiving all this information ministers we've had who must be rece ask] all this information ministers we've had who must be rece ask] all isis information ministers we've had who must be rece ask] all is actually ation and ask who is actually htermhe— and ask who is actually informing me- and ask who is actually informing me and why aren't teette— informing me and why aren't teette tatma— informing me and why aren't teette tatme a— informing me and why aren't people taking a look where people taking a look at where the— people taking a look at where this information— people taking a look at where this information coming from this information is coming from 7 this information is coming from e-etwerety.— this information is coming from ?-obviously, the- this information is coming from ? obviously, the word ? i mean, obviously, the word ractet— ? i mean, obviously, the word racist-bandied— ? i mean, obviously, the word racist bandied about the racist is bandied about all the trme— racist is bandied about all the trme-att— racist is bandied about all the time.all sorts— racist is bandied about all the time-all sorts of- racist is bandied about all the time all sorts of reasons, time for all sorts of reasons, trt— time for all sorts of reasons, trtlyerr— time for all sorts of reasons, trtlyerr ew— time for all sorts of reasons, but your own policies, your but if your own policies, your own sensible— but if your own policies, your own sensible policies to reduce tehe—teettel tens of thousands of people cemhe— tens of thousands of people coming illegally are coming over illegally are teecrttet— coming over illegally are described racist, surely described as racist, surely yer-t— described as racist, surely yer-t wart— described as racist, surely you'd want to— described as racist, surely you'd want to check where that htermatteh— you'd want to check where that information coming and you'd want to check where that inforisation coming and you'd want to check where that inforis pushing oming and you'd want to check where that

inforis pushing that|g and you'd want to check where that inforis pushing that line and nd who is pushing that line and whether— who is pushing that line and whether er— who is pushing that line and whether or not— who is pushing that line and whether or not the taxpayer is paying— whether or not the taxpayer is tayma ter— whether or not the taxpayer is tayma ter them.— whether or not the taxpayer is paying for them. so what do we do paying for them. so what do we te-ae— paying for them. so what do we te-ae a— paying for them. so what do we do-as a channel? - paying for them. so what do we do as a channel? v/rz. do now as a channel? you've been digging on this and digging deep on this others and for telegraph as for mark steyn telegraph as well, up what they well, for digging up what they have. what do we do now? do we write to suella braverman, the home secretary, rishi sunak home secretary, and rishi sunak , real , and demand that the real conservative party stands up? which are they? do they support these or they support these groups or do they support stopping boats? do stopping the boats? what do we do next? well, it's a question mere-the— do next? well, it's a question more-the politicians,- r:rzr fizxi’ well, it's a question more the politicians, but more for the politicians, but the— more for the politicians, but the teet— more for the politicians, but the best that— more for the politicians, but the best that news can do is the best that gb news can do is reatttrm— the best that gb news can do is reatttrm the— the best that gb news can do is reaffirm the pressure show reaffirm the pressure to show that— reaffirm the pressure to show that theee— reaffirm the pressure to show that these people are not meceeeartty— that these people are not necessarily-in. that these people are not. necessarily-in their necessarily advising in their teet— necessarily advising in their best interests. _ necessarily advising in their best interests. you know, joe swatttett— best interests. you know, joe swaffield is— best interests. you know, joe swaffield is professor very etemty— swaffield is professor very etemty hete— swaffield is professor very openly lists this register. it's het— openly lists this register. it's met htttem— openly lists this register. it's not hidden or— openly lists this register. it's not hidden or secret information. it'sjust not hidden or secret information. it's just rarely ttecteeet— information. it's just rarely disclosed because i don't think there-e— disclosed because i don't think there-e a— disclosed because i don't think there's a particular level of tecre— there's a particular level of tecre er— there's a particular level of focus or investigation in this race — focus or investigation in this race .tt— focus or investigation in this race .tt atee- focus or investigation in this space. it also comes in the space. and it also comes in the cemtext— space. and it also comes in the cemtext. et— space. and it also comes in the context, of course,— space. and it also comes in the context, of course, last year, ceheerwatwe— context, of course, last year, conservative way— context, of course, last year, conservative way forward, a treeerre arert— conservative way forward, a pressure group that pressure group finding that hrmtrete— pressure group finding that- hundreds—pounds hundreds of millions of pounds wae-etemt— hundreds of millions of pounds wae-etemt ty— hundreds of millions of pounds was spent by taxpayers on was being spent by taxpayers on earattty— was being spent by taxpayers on equality, diversity— was being spent by taxpayers on equality, diversity and inclusion— equality, diversity and inclusion measures , which the inclusion measures, which the aewemmemt— inclusion measures, which the government-rails. government regularly rails aaahet— government regularly rails against. ministers saying one tmme— against. ministers saying one thingr trt— against. ministers saying one thing, but taxpayers cash going

in thing, but taxpayers cash going h-etteette— thing, but taxpayers cash going in opposite direction. joe in the opposite direction. joe charte— in the opposite direction. joe charlie peters,— in the opposite direction. joe charlie peters, you're doing a great— charlie peters, you're doing a great tet— charlie peters, you're doing a great tet here— charlie peters, you're doing a great job here at— charlie peters, you're doing a great job here at gb news. were— great job here at gb news. were going— great job here at gb news. were going te— great job here at gb news. we're going to write- great job here at gb news. we're going to write this program is going to write to suella ask her, suella braverman to ask her, does support these does she support these organisations that are funded by taxpayers money or does she support government policy ? in support government policy? in a moment we will discuss the upcoming epsom derby sponsored by betfred. this year. it takes place on epsom downs this saturday afternoon. animal rising, the group who caused mayhem at the grand national and in my view are the death and injury of horses unnecessarily are promising further action. we will have an open debate between animal rising and a representative of the racing industry. all of that in two minutes .

well, now, going back to early april, it - well, now, going back to early atrtt tt wae— . well, now, going back to early xtrtt. tt the— . well, now, going back to early april, it was the grand— april, it was the grand national. _ april, it was the grand national. i- april, it was the grand national. grzr g april, it was the grand- national. i was going to the national. i was going to the national. for national. i hadn't been for blooming i a fabulous blooming years. i had a fabulous day. but i have to say it was all a bit disconcerting because the start was delayed by at least 15 minutes. and then when the got the start the horses got to the start line, there was a false start. they start again. this they had to start again. this was because of protests by was all because of protests by animal rising and what we saw in the first two fences we saw as many animals fall ill or dismount as we had in the previous nine years as on those two fences. and having actually seen some of those horses sweating up in the paddock before with all the delays , i'm before with all the delays, i'm not surprised. i was blooming angry. i felt animal rising had actually achieved the opposite result of their stated intentions . the following few intentions. the following few days, charlie brooks , racing man days, charlie brooks, racing man writes for the telegraph, wrote a piece which said , we live in

a piece which said, we live in a democracy . we and everyone democracy. we and everyone should have the right to express their opinion, assuming it is within the bounds of our democratic laws. and that rider is , i think, very, very is, i think, very, very important. and we're having these debates , of course, about these debates, of course, about just stop oil and what is legal and what is not. but what charlie brooks urged in the article is there's no point in the racing industry motty and its supporters like me , just its supporters like me, just saying these people are lunatics . us they're absolutely out of touch with the real world. what charlie argued is you have to have open and genuine debate, and that is exactly what we are about to do for the next few minutes, i'm joined by richard pitman for our british jockey and commentator on racing for 3737 years. so racing very much in richard's blood . and nathan in richard's blood. and nathan mcgovern, who is a spokesperson for animal rising . and i will for animal rising. and i will attempt i mean, you all know my

point of view, but we want to have a civilised conversation for the next 6 or 7 minutes. nathan your mob and i'm got to call them that you want to screw up the epsom derby this saturday. apparently a thousand of you are going to storm the track. so it isn't just jump racing. you're against you're against flat racing too. yeah so what's at the heart of this, nigeb— so what's at the heart of this, wtaet te— so what's at the heart of this, nigelr he the— so what's at the heart of this, nigel, is the fact— so what's at the heart of this, nigel, is the fact that we have a meter— nigel, is the fact that we have a broken relationship with other amtmate— a broken relationship with other amtmate amt— a broken relationship with other animals and the— a broken relationship with other animals and the natural world. ver— animals and the natural world. ver thew.— animals and the natural world. ver thew. we— animals and the natural world. you know, we see— animals and the natural world. you know, we see it in our food eyetem— you know, we see it in our food eyetem. we— you know, we see it in our food eyetem. we eee— you know, we see it in our food system. we see it— you know, we see it in our food system. we see it when we use heee— system. we see it when we use hereee-ache.— system. we see it when we use horses-racing. we- system. we see it when we use horses racing. we see, you horses for racing. we see, you thew.— horses for racing. we see, you thew. to — horses for racing. we see, you know, 20 - have - horses for racing. we see, youj know, 20-have-on know, 20 horses have died on trache— know, 20 horses have died on tracte h— know, 20 horses have died on tracte h h— know, 20 horses have died on tracks in in the— know, 20 horses have died on tracks in in the uk this month ateme— tracks in in the uk this month ateme-t— tracks in in the uk this month ateme-t-we- tracks in in the uk this month alone-i-we reallyi alone. and i think we really meet— alone. and i think we really meet-have— alone. and i think we really need-have a— alone. and i think we really need have a look at ourselves need to have a look at ourselves amt—a— need to have a look at ourselves amt—a mathem- need to have a look at ourselves and—a nation of- and think we're a nation of amtmat— and think we're a nation of animal lovers. _ and think we're a nation of animal lovers. we need to make our animal lovers. we need to make actteme— animal lovers. we need to make our actions align— animal lovers. we need to make our actions align with that w.atre — our actions align with that w.atre .yer- our actions align with that value. gg g value. are you suggesting that richard is not a lover of richard pitman is not a lover of horses? absolutely not. and horses? no, absolutely not. and as horses? no, absolutely not. and ae-eatt.— horses? no, absolutely not. and ae-eattlwe-we- horses? no, absolutely not. and as-said,-we've hadi as i've just said, and we've had some fantastic— as i've just said, and we've had some fantastic discussions in the— some fantastic discussions in the-eem.— some fantastic discussions in the-reem.|tet.- some fantastic discussions in the room, bet, you know, the green room, i bet, you know, i the green room, i bet, you know, tthht— the green room, i bet, you know, tthht-teee— the green room, i bet, you know, i think-does-love. i think richard does does love he — i think richard does does love he trt— i think richard does does love horses. but-know,- i think richard does does love horses. but know, from where horses. but you know, from where i'm horses. but you know, from where m —meet— horses. but you know, from where m —meet te- horses. but you know, from where i'm _need to find- i'm standing, we need to find a way— i'm standing, we need to find a way et— i'm standing, we need to find a way et loving— i'm standing, we need to find a way of loving these animals wtthert— way of loving these animals without hurting— way of loving these animals without hurting them. �*vperzll without hurting them. well, you

thew.— without hurting them. well, you theewre-trme- without hurting them. well, you know, presume you know, richard, i presume you would that we've seen would argue that we've seen some photographs going put photographs we're going to put on of your horses on the screen of your horses this afternoon. you love your he — this afternoon. you love your he _y... this afternoon. you love your horses. yes. and horses. don't you? yes. and atre.— horses. don't you? yes. and are. att— horses. don't you? yes. and also, all trainers and jockeys horses. don't you? yes. and alsttoo.. trainers and jockeys horses. don't you? yes. and alsttoo. it'siners and jockeys horses. don't you? yes. and alsttoo. it's aers and jockeys horses. don't you? yes. and alsttoo. it's a there's jockeys horses. don't you? yes. and alsttoo. it's a there's danger do, too. it's a there's danger in everything. but what i would like to say to nathan is i sympathise because you are a really good man and you you thought your your path out, but you're using us, you know , the you're using us, you know, the grand national derby because we're a big stage and it, it is a far bigger thing that you're against rather than horse racing. okay the point that ttchart-e— racing. okay the point that richard's making- racing. okay the point that richard's making is- prt. g cite/ecar the point that richard's making is you're using theee— richard's making is you're using theee big— richard's making is you're using these big spectaculars and of course, they're _ these big spectaculars and of course, they're global events , course, they're global events, trt— course, they're global events, trt actratty— course, they're global events, but actually akua really the trrth — but actually akua really the trrth te— but actually akua really the truth is nathan— but actually akua really the truth is nathan mcgovern , you truth is nathan mcgovern, you want— truth is nathan mcgovern, you want te— truth is nathan mcgovern, you want te etet— truth is nathan mcgovern, you want to stop us— truth is nathan mcgovern, you want to stop us riding horses cemttetetye— want to stop us riding horses completely? you— want to stop us riding horses completely? you want to stop us ewrrme— completely? you want to stop us even owning horses as domestic amtmatee— even owning horses as domestic amtmatee vee— even owning horses as domestic amtmatee wee — even owning horses as domestic animals? yes so— even owning horses as domestic animals? yes r: animals? yes so what i'd say is, you know, that's out in the open that i'd love us to have the conversation we're having here about, you know , our connection about, you know, our connection to animals and fact

to these animals and the fact that if we do love them, as i absolutely believe richard does, then we need to find ways where they die on tracks . okay. they don't die on tracks. okay. i understand you don't- t:r:zrz . rz; rzrz okay. i understand you don't want rztzrz . rz; rzrz okay. i understand you don't want jump rache— i understand you don't want jump racha. t— i understand you don't want jump racma. t tram-t— i understand you don't want jump racing. i didn't know you also wamtet— racing. i didn't know you also wamtet te— racing. i didn't know you also wanted to stop— racing. i didn't know you also wanted to stop flat racing, but there— wanted to stop flat racing, but there we— wanted to stop flat racing, but there we — wanted to stop flat racing, but there we are. but— wanted to stop flat racing, but there we are. but i'm getting the— there we are. but i'm getting the teethe— there we are. but i'm getting the feeling you— there we are. but i'm getting the feeling you don't think we ehertt— the feeling you don't think we should-horses- the feeling you don't think we should horses and ride should even own horses and ride them — should even own horses and ride them ter— should even own horses and ride them for pleasure— should even own horses and ride them for pleasure at home. no no,-absolutely_ them for pleasure at home. no. no,-absolutely-i'd no, no. absolutely not. what i'd say is, you know, it extends far beyond on horses. it's, you know, when animals as, know, when we take animals as, you know, ours to and even you know, ours to use and even exploit, you i think we exploit, you know, i think we have look and really think, have to look and really think, you know, these the people you know, are these the people that we to be? we breed that we want to be? we breed these animals.— that we want to be? we breed these animals. they- ztrz;7 we breed these animals. they wouldn't ztrz;7 we breed theseif nimals. they wouldn't ztrz;7 we breed theseif we ials. they wouldn't ztrz;7 we breed theseif we didn'tiey wouldn't ztrz;7 we breed theseif we didn't breed uldn't ztrz;7 we breed theseif we didn't breed them. exist if we didn't breed them. t hey— exist if we didn't breed them. they werttm-t— exist if we didn't breed them. they wouldn't even exist. yeah, that-e— they wouldn't even exist. yeah, that's—poimr- they wouldn't even exist. yeah, that's point, nigel, that's a very good point, nigel, trt— that's a very good point, nigel, trt-hrmtere- that's a very good point, nigel, but numbers question. but it's not a numbers question. it's but it's not a numbers question. we a— but it's not a numbers question. we a marat— but it's not a numbers question. it's a moral question,— but it's not a numbers question. it's a moral question,.it?- it's a moral question, is it? right to breed animals into existence purely nathan existence purely for nathan mcgovern's the mcgovern's world? what would the retattemehtt— mcgovern's world? what would the relationship-man- mcgovern's world? what would the relationship-man and- relationship between man and heree— relationship between man and heree tee— relationship between man and horse be? well,— relationship between man and horse be? well, you know, at horse be? well, so, you know, at the— horse be? well, so, you know, at the memet— horse be? well, so, you know, at the moment there's— horse be? well, so, you know, at the moment there's about 12% of the moment there's about 12% of the th— the moment there's about 12% of the trt te— the moment there's about 12% of the uk is forest— the moment there's about 12% of the uk is forest and we'd like to the uk is forest and we'd like te eee— the uk is forest and we'd like te a— the uk is forest and we'd like to see a much— the uk is forest and we'd like to see a much higher amount of that— to see a much higher amount of that ee— to see a much higher amount of that ee we— to see a much higher amount of that ee we ca— to see a much higher amount of that so we can have— to see a much higher amount of that so we can have a real eetrttem— that so we can have a real eetrttem te— that so we can have a real solution to our— that so we can have a real solution to our biodiversity

we— solution to our biodiversity crisis. we can— solution to our biodiversity crisis. we can see- solution to our biodiversity crisis. er?“ r: crisis. we can see wild horses that only you know, on that we only see, you know, on the scottish islands, we only see dartmoor. know, we'd see on dartmoor. you know, we'd love a world where i can love to see a world where i can walk, you know, 15 minutes out into the countryside and i can see dozens are you hang on, hang on. let me just pin you down. are— on. let me just pin you down. are yer— on. let me just pin you down. are yer eayme— on. let me just pin you down. are you saying that— let me just pin you down. are you saying that all horses in are you saying that all horses h w— are you saying that all horses h cermtry— are you saying that all horses in our country should be wild heee— in our country should be wild he e — in our country should be wild he t we.— in our country should be wild horses ? no, i'm— in our country should be wild horses ? vrzr g horses? no, i'm saying that all horses? no, i'm saying that all horses in this country should not exist purely for our use for them . well, richard, you've them. well, richard, you've heart— them. well, richard, you've heart the— them. well, richard, you've heard the case. _ them. well, richard, you've heard the case. he- well, richard, you've heard the case. rz; e c. heard the case. he hasn't quite answered my question. but but do you get the feeling that you're being told you shouldn't own horses, you shouldn't breed horses, you shouldn't breed horses ? i mean, yeah, but it's horses? i mean, yeah, but it's far horses? i mean, yeah, but it's tar teeter— horses? i mean, yeah, but it's far deeper than— 7 i mean, yeah, but it's far deeper than that, isn't it, watham— far deeper than that, isn't it, wathame .— far deeper than that, isn't it, nathan? i don't— far deeper than that, isn't it, nathan? i don't think that amtmat— nathan? i don't think that animal rising— nathan? i don't think that animal rising wants any pets ahywhere. — animal rising wants any pets amywhere. amt— animal rising wants any pets anywhere. and i— animal rising wants any pets anywhere. and i think you're tttety— anywhere. and i think you're more likely to _ anywhere. and i think you're more likely to upset the mtttteme— more likely to upset the millions of— more likely to upset the millions of dog owners and cat owners and goldfish owners by yerr— owners and goldfish owners by yerr acttem. — owners and goldfish owners by your action. you— owners and goldfish owners by your action. you know, you're a thererehty— your action. you know, you're a thoroughly committed man , but i thoroughly committed man, but i tea-t— thoroughly committed man, but i tem-t eee— thoroughly committed man, but i tem-t hew— thoroughly committed man, but i don't see how it— thoroughly committed man, but i don't see how it happened . don't see how it happened. thoroughbreds— don't see how it happened. thoroughbreds are there like

treatm— thoroughbreds are there like reah tett— thoroughbreds are there like usain bolt and— thoroughbreds are there like usain bolt and people like that. you usain bolt and people like that. ver thew.— usain bolt and people like that. ver thew. yer— usain bolt and people like that. you know, you put— usain bolt and people like that. you know, you put them in a tereet— you know, you put them in a tereet .— you know, you put them in a tereet . they— you know, you put them in a forest , they would not survive forest, they would not survive the— forest, they would not survive the treet— forest, they would not survive the breed would— forest, they would not survive the breed would die out . r:rzr the breed would die out. how do you the breed would die out. how do yer t— the breed would die out. how do yer t mama— the breed would die out. how do you i mean, richard , when you you i mean, richard, when you look at nathan and you've said he's sincere and we don't doubt that he is sincere and he wants to have a debate and thank goodness for that. you know, we saw ludicrous scenes at oxford university last night of people attempting shut down debate attempting to shut down debate and to have debate. but and we want to have debate. but you look animal rising, what you look at animal rising, what it stands for, how would you describe them? well, i'm fairly to describe them? well, i'm fairly te ew— describe them? well, i'm fairly te ht.— describe them? well, i'm fairly te tt. amt— describe them? well, i'm fairly to new it. and coming- :f 7 well, i'm fairly to new it. and coming through . to new it. and coming through. yeah.— to new it. and coming through. yeah the— to new it. and coming through. yeah, the grand— to new it. and coming through. yeah, the grand national. and i thtmt— yeah, the grand national. and i that we— yeah, the grand national. and i that we att— yeah, the grand national. and i think we all have— yeah, the grand national. and i think we all have a right to extreee— think we all have a right to express our our— think we all have a right to express our our opinions . but express our our opinions. but when— express our our opinions. but when t— express our our opinions. but when tt cee— express our our opinions. but when it comes to— express our our opinions. but when it comes to stopping a big thha— when it comes to stopping a big that the— when it comes to stopping a big that the the— when it comes to stopping a big thing like the derby and i don't thew— thing like the derby and i don't thew hew— thing like the derby and i don't know how you're— thing like the derby and i don't know how you're going to do it. watham— know how you're going to do it. watham tt-e— know how you're going to do it. nathan it's about— know how you're going to do it. nathan it's about 800 acres, but i'm nathan it's about 800 acres, but t-m ee— nathan it's about 800 acres, but t-m yre— nathan it's about 800 acres, but i'm sure you're not— nathan it's about 800 acres, but i'm sure you're not going to tett— i'm sure you're not going to tett me— i'm sure you're not going to tett me hew— i'm sure you're not going to tell me how you're going to do it, tell me how you're going to do a, trt— tell me how you're going to do a, trt tea-t— tell me how you're going to do a, trt tem-t 90— tell me how you're going to do it, but don't go in— tell me how you're going to do it, but don't go in through the trawettere— it, but don't go in through the travellers camp— it, but don't go in through the travellers camp because you may not travellers camp because you may met-the— travellers camp because you may met-the ether— travellers camp because you may not-the other end,- travellers camp because you may not the other end, but not get out the other end, but you— not get out the other end, but yer-theee— not get out the other end, but you-these horses- not get out the other end, but you-these horses .- not get out the other end, but you these horses . nigel, you know, these horses. nigel, as you know, these horses. nigel,

ae-wertt— you know, these horses. nigel, as-would know,- you know, these horses. nigel, as would know, they as you would know, they thoroughbred— as you would know, they thoroughbred aids originated trem— thoroughbred aids originated from - horses— thoroughbred aids originated from horses and have gone from arab horses and have gone threrah— from arab horses and have gone threrah the— from arab horses and have gone through the mill— from arab horses and have gone through the mill over the years. we through the mill over the years. we have— through the mill over the years. we have these— through the mill over the years. we have these beautiful animals . if we have these beautiful animals . h yer— we have these beautiful animals . rt yer cemtete— we have these beautiful animals . if you compete in— we have these beautiful animals . if you compete in an arab heree— . if you compete in an arab horse against— . if you compete in an arab horse against a— . if you compete in an arab horse against a thoroughbred, the thoroughbred would win by 50 temathe. — the thoroughbred would win by 50 temathe. .tmew— the thoroughbred would win by 50 temathe. .tmew .— the thoroughbred would win by 50 lengths. .know , it's- the thoroughbred would win by 50 lengths. know , it's a breed lengths. you know, it's a breed that— lengths. you know, it's a breed that hae— lengths. you know, it's a breed that has been— lengths. you know, it's a breed that has been fine— lengths. you know, it's a breed that has been fine tuned and it is that has been fine tuned and it he a— that has been fine tuned and it he a very— that has been fine tuned and it is a very particular breed . is a very particular breed. yeah— is a very particular breed. veah. .— is a very particular breed. yeah, i mean,— is a very particular breed. yeah, i mean, is- is a very particular breed. yeah, i mean, is richard pitman right? do you ultimately want to stop us not just having domesticated horses, but having cats and dogs ? yeah, but the cats and dogs? yeah, but the reason for that , let me just reason for that, let me just clarify that answer. so you don't think we should even have pet cats and dogs ? no, not not pet cats and dogs? no, not not for our use. you— pet cats and dogs? no, not not for our use. you know,- (pt; pvfi: :g7 no, not not for our use. you know, but {.ezfr pfi: :g7 no, not not for our use. you know, but what i for our use. you know, but what t that— for our use. you know, but what t that he— for our use. you know, but what t that he tt— for our use. you know, but what i think is if you— for our use. you know, but what i think is if you let— for our use. you know, but what i think is if you let me exttatm— i think is if you let me explain, nigel, it's a very extree— explain, nigel, it's a very extreme position, is that we're a-teette— extreme position, is that we're a-teette that- a nation of people that love amtmate. — a nation of people that love amtmate. iwhy- a nation of people that love animals. .why-of. a nation of people that love animals. why of us animals. it's why a lot of us have— animals. it's why a lot of us have cate— animals. it's why a lot of us have cats and— animals. it's why a lot of us have cats and dogs in our homes. yeah— have cats and dogs in our homes. veah trt— have cats and dogs in our homes. veah trt we— have cats and dogs in our homes. yeah but we also— have cats and dogs in our homes. yeah but we also live in a cermtry— yeah but we also live in a cermtry that— yeah but we also live in a country that has a barren tamtecate— country that has a barren landscape, devoid of biodiversity, devoid animals biodiversity, devoid of animals . is biodiversity, devoid of animals . he that.— biodiversity, devoid of animals . he that. yer— biodiversity, devoid of animals . is that, you know, i would tewe— . is that, you know, i would teweleee— . is that, you know, i would love-see return.- . is that, you know, i would love see return. sure love to see return. i'm sure a tet— love to see return. i'm sure a tet et— love to see return. i'm sure a tet et teette— love to see return. i'm sure a lot of people would love to see

trr — lot of people would love to see return. there's— lot of people would love to see return. there's cross—party erttert— support for things like rewtttha— support for things like- rewilding-would see rewilding where we would see amtmate—tm- rewilding where we would see. animals—in nature animals in abundance in nature amt— animals in abundance in nature amt we— animals in abundance in nature amt we thew— animals in abundance in nature amt we knew we— animals in abundance in nature and we know we wouldn't have to go and we know we wouldn't have to 90 te— and we know we wouldn't have to 90 te a— and we know we wouldn't have to 90 te a race— and we know we wouldn't have to go to a race track— and we know we wouldn't have to go to a race track to— and we know we wouldn't have to go to a race track to see horses arra— go to a race track to see horses art we— go to a race track to see horses around. we wouldn't have to go to around. we wouldn't have to go te-te— around. we wouldn't have to go te-te eee— around. we wouldn't have to go to-to see depher.- around. we wouldn't have to go to to see depher. you to a zoo to see depher. you thew.— to a zoo to see depher. you thew. .— to a zoo to see depher. you thew. t teet— to a zoo to see depher. you know, i look, i— to a zoo to see depher. you know, i look, i am very much an ett— know, i look, i am very much an ett echeet— know, i look, i am very much an old school environmentalist , you old school environmentalist, you thew.— old school environmentalist, you thew-twe— old school environmentalist, you thew-tewe te. — old school environmentalist, you know,.love to. and- old school environmentalist, you know, love to. ' fi: know, i'd love to. and one of the— know, i'd love to. and one of the reasons i support shooting and fishing hunting that and fishing and hunting is that actually those actually it's through those activities that we see great husbandry of the countryside . husbandry of the countryside. but saying that these but you are saying that these protests we're going to see on saturday, ultimately are about totally changing man's relations with animals. so we don't even have pet dogs and cats. it's not about that. it's about- :g pfi: {.ezfr it's not about that. it's about asking teette— about that. it's about asking teette te— about that. it's about asking people to think— about that. it's about asking people to think about it. nigel amt— people to think about it. nigel amt te— people to think about it. nigel amt te teette— people to think about it. nigel and to people think about if her— and to people think about if their actions— and to people think about if their actions align with their w.atree — their actions align with their w.atree t— their actions align with their values. i don't— their actions align with their values. i don't have the power to values. i don't have the power te charge— values. i don't have the power to change what— values. i don't have the power to change what people think, and matter— to change what people think, and nether-wamt— to change what people think, and neither-want to— to change what people think, and neither want to know. but i neither do i want to know. but i wertt— neither do i want to know. but i wertt-hawe— neither do i want to know. but i would-have people- neither do i want to know. but i would have people in the would love to have people in the watham— would love to have people in the nathan mcgovern _ would love to have people in the nathan mcgovern world. ”rfizz; r: nathan mcgovern world. there'd be nathan mcgovern world. there'd ta ta— nathan mcgovern world. there'd te no pets.— nathan mcgovern world. there'd ta no pets. n..— nathan mcgovern world. there'd be no pets, no, what be no pets, no, but what there would there would be would be is there would be animals for us to see in animals us for us to see in nature. richard animals. richard that-e— nature. richard animals. richard that-e-teettteh— nature. richard animals. richard that's-position choice- that's the position choice eeeha. — that's the position choice eeeha. .— that's the position choice seeing. i just- that's the position choice seeing. i just want to put to

you nathan , a couple your you nathan, a couple of your colleagues, peers got into the onto the course at aintree and were trying to glue themselves to the fence. the jockeys reaction to that was they wanted to get on, well, leave them be there. we'll jump over them, you see. so it was a it would have been fun, but it couldn't happen. but the thing about the derby, go back to the suffragettes when they were emily pankhurst , 1911 on emily pankhurst, 1911 on tattenham corner. emily jumped out and yeah, she was killed. they go so much faster. the flat horses especially coming down tattenham corner, they're heavy, 700 kilos, steel shod hooves going very fast, packed together . i just hope that whatever you're going to do is not during the race. it could end badly for people and for horses. thank you, both of you.— people and for horses. thank you, both of you. you- pfi: thank you, both of you. you see, there-e— you, both of you. you see, there-e rr— you, both of you. you see, there's our attempt to have a ctwtteet— there's our attempt to have a civilised debate.— there's our attempt to have a civilised debate. actually, do you— civilised debate. actually, do yer thew— civilised debate. actually, do you know what?— civilised debate. actually, do you know what? to some extent i do you know what? to some extent i te thht— you know what? to some extent i te that we— you know what? to some extent i do think we succeeded. and it's rather— do think we succeeded. and it's rather important— do think we succeeded. and it's rather important that we do ecceet— rather important that we do succeed with _ rather important that we do succeed with these things . i i

succeed with these things. i i that— succeed with these things. i i that that— succeed with these things. i i think that the— succeed with these things. i i think that the position on that amtmat— think that the position on that amtmat herma— think that the position on that animal rising take and just stop oil animal rising take and just stop ort tate— animal rising take and just stop oil take when— animal rising take and just stop oil take when you— animal rising take and just stop oil take when you actually teatcatty— oil take when you actually teatcatty aet— oil take when you actually logically get it— oil take when you actually logically get it towards the end is logically get it towards the end he a— logically get it towards the end tea teetttem— logically get it towards the end is a position that— logically get it towards the end is a position that is in such a mhertty— is a position that is in such a mtmertty h— is a position that is in such a minority in the— is a position that is in such a minority in the country that the we tatt— minority in the country that the more we talk about it, i think the— more we talk about it, i think the teee— more we talk about it, i think the less support— more we talk about it, i think the less support they'll have. twen— the less support they'll have. twem theret— the less support they'll have. even though i— the less support they'll have. even though i don't doubt watham-e— even though i don't doubt nathan's sincerity and i know i thew— nathan's sincerity and i know i knew that— nathan's sincerity and i know i know that richard— nathan's sincerity and i know i know that richard pitman eemrmety— know that richard pitman genuinely loves his horses . genuinely loves his horses. jacob— genuinely loves his horses. jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob what-e— jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob what-e cemtma— jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob what-e cemma rt— jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob what's coming up today? well, going— what's coming up today? well, going te— what's coming up today? well, we're going to be— what's coming up today? well, we're going to be talking about the tree— we're going to be talking about the free trade— we're going to be talking about the free trade deals that we've aet— the free trade deals that we've eet h— the free trade deals that we've now got in australia, new zeataht.— now got in australia, new zealand, new zealand and why we ehertt— zealand, new zealand and why we ehertt-rtt— zealand, new zealand and why we ehertt-rtt et— zealand, new zealand and why we should-rid of tariffs— zealand, new zealand and why we should rid of tariffs now, should get rid of tariffs now, tecaree— should get rid of tariffs now, because we've— should get rid of tariffs now, because we've got a cost of ttwma— because we've got a cost of that crtete— because we've got a cost of living crisis, an— because we've got a cost of living crisis, an easy way to tmme— living crisis, an easy way to bring tewm— living crisis, an easy way to bring down prices is to stop trtthe— bring down prices is to stop trttma-rt— bring down prices is to stop trttma-rt ty- bring down prices is to stop putting up by taxation. putting them up by taxation. they-re— putting them up by taxation. they-re att— putting them up by taxation. they're all saying that brexit is they're all saying that brexit te mate— they're all saying that brexit is made-more- they're all saying that brexit is made more expensive, but is made food more expensive, but of is made food more expensive, but et-we— is made food more expensive, but et-we ca— is made food more expensive, but et-we tmtert— is made food more expensive, but of we can import food of course we can import food trem— of course we can import food trem-arermt— of course we can import food from . around the - of course we can import food from around the world from all around the world far merea-t— from all around the world far. more _far-cheaply, more cheaply, far more cheaply, amt—tt— more cheaply, far more cheaply, amt—ht rreemt- more cheaply, far more cheaply,. and—it urgent plea. and we should do it urgent plea. art— and we should do it urgent plea. art that— and we should do it urgent plea. and that actually— and we should do it urgent plea. and that actually when - and we should do it urgent plea. and that actually when prices are that's the time to do are high, that's the time to do it because it's least painful for who are getting for farmers who are getting higher moment. and higher prices at the moment. and

it's consumers. we're it's best for consumers. we're also be talking about also going to be talking about the national trust, which i don't think trust don't think you can trust anymore have anymore because people have given things and it's going given it things and it's going to get rid them now. well, to get rid of them now. well, we've just talked— to get rid of them now. well, we've just talked about- gz ” r: well, we've just talked about farmers. tet-e— we've just talked about farmers. tet-e-the— we've just talked about farmers. let's-the weather- let's see what the weather terecaet— let's see what the weather forecast-our- let's see what the weather forecast our farmers and forecast is for our farmers and ethere— forecast is for our farmers and ethere. hette— forecast is for our farmers and others. hello there. to others. hello there. welcome to your— others. hello there. welcome to your latest news weather your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. your latest gb news weather fore craigrom the met office. your latest gb news weather fore craig snell. e met office. your latest gb news weather fore craig snell. e met of'we. i'm craig snell. well, as we head into summer for most us head into summer for most of us it be and settled. it should be dry and settled. best of the sunshine out towards the west and it's all to down this area of high pressure, keeping things settled keeping things firmly settled across across far north will fronts across the far north will just give the odd spot of rain here and there. but for most, as i mentioned, and settled. i mentioned, dry and settled. and how we will end and that's how we will end wednesday clear wednesday with lots of clear skies towards the west. skies out towards the west. however, the east we will see however, in the east we will see cloud will just cloud and that will just gradually way. gradually spread its way. a little further westwards little bit further westwards as the goes on. so under the the night goes on. so under the cloud, temperatures not falling much than 10 degrees. much lower than 8 to 10 degrees. but the clearer skies, but in the clearer skies, especially northern especially across northern ireland and scotland, could just turn bit chilly for the first turn a bit chilly for the first day of summer here. but the good news that there'll be news here is that there'll be plenty from word plenty of sunshine from the word

go. and as we go through the course that cloud course of thursday, that cloud will backwards will be nibbled backwards towards coast. so towards the east coast. so an increasing sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimostg sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of us. sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of us. so sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of us. so a sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of us. so a fairlyshine for most of us. so a fairly pleasant afternoon for a lot of the uk, but fortunately for eastern england, eastern coast of england, especially, the cloud may well be and linger all day be stubborn and linger all day and onshore and combined with an onshore breeze cool for breeze feeling fairly cool for early june. but out towards the west, warm west, another pleasantly warm day reaching 23 or 24 day with highs reaching 23 or 24 degrees as a fine end to the day in the west. as we go into the small hours of friday. but the cloud across the east will return westwards as the night goes on. so really a repeat performance of previous nights. so under the cloud, temperatures not falling lower than to so under the cloud, temperatures no degrees. lower than to so under the cloud, temperatures no degrees. could.ower than to so under the cloud, temperatures no degrees. could even than to so under the cloud, temperatures no degrees. could even seei to 10 degrees. could even see a touch of frost. however, in scotland, under the skies scotland, under the clear skies as we start friday morning. but for many, friday will be a very similar day to thursday once any morning cloud burns back towards the east coast. most of us seeing plenty of sunshine. risk of the odd spot of rain for shetland and again some eastern coast remain stubbornly cloudy as we go through the course of the but the sunshine,

the day. but in the sunshine, temperatures reaching around 23 or 24 once again and very similar conditions as we go into the weekend. lots of dry and bright weather. best of it will be in the west .

the top story on gb news tonight . hw— the top story on gb news tonight . ttv hae— the top story on gb news tonight . itv has ordered— the top story on gb news tonight . itv has ordered an— the top story on gb news tonight . itv has ordered an external review following a television presenter, phillip schofield , presenter, phillip schofield, statement and departure from the daytime tv show . this statement and departure from the daytime tv show. this morning, the itv chief executive, dame carolyn mccall , wrote in carolyn mccall, wrote in a letter to the culture secretary and the ofcom chief executive that phillip had made assurances which he now acknowledges were untrue. and we she means itv felt badly let down. we consider our approach reasonable and proportionate at the time. well, that letter was also sent to the

chair of the culture media and sport committee in parliament. itv bosses will also appear in front of mps on tuesday to answer questions about the presenter's affair with a younger male colleague . younger male colleague. taoiseach boris johnson's notebooks and whatsapp messages have been handed over to the cabinet office this afternoon . a cabinet office this afternoon. a spokesman for the former prime minister said he's asked for the full and unredacted details to be disclosed urgently to the covid inquiry. that's after the cabinet office previously argued the material was irrelevant. downing street is denying claims of a cover up . the government of a cover up. the government has until tomorrow afternoon to hand over the evidence . a former hand over the evidence. a former russian president has warned that uk public officials who support ukraine are legitimate military targets. dmitry medvedev, who is now deputy chairman of the kremlin's security council , says any uk security council, says any uk military aid to kyiv represents an undeclared war against russia , calling british officials

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