it's 930 on tuesday the 30th may. — it's 930 on tuesday the 30th may. this— it's 930 on tuesday the 30th may. this is— it's 930 on tuesday the 30th may. this is to— it's 930 on tuesday the 30th may. this is to the point on gb news— may. this is to the point on gb news with— may. this is to the point on gb news with me— may. this is to the point on gb news with me, andrew pierce and dawn— news with me, andrew pierce and dawn messrs.— news with me, andrew pierce and dawn neesom. our— news with me, andrew pierce and dawn neesom. our main story. oh, my,— dawn neesom. our main story. oh, my, what— dawn neesom. our main story. oh, my, what a— dawn neesom. our main story. oh, my, whah a show— dawn neesom. our main story. oh, my, whah a show h— dawn neesom. our main story. oh, my, what a story it is. eamonn hshhss— my, what a story it is. eamonn hshhss w— my, what a story it is. eamonn holmes, our very— my, what a story it is. eamonn holmes, our very own hits out at hhhhh— holmes, our very own hits out at phillip schofield_ holmes, our very own hits out at phillip schofield . _ holmes, our very own hits out at phillip schofield . ' z phillip schofield. and the toxicity— phillip schofield. and the toxicity is— phillip schofield. and the toxicity is not what me dan wootton or anyone else. the toxicity is with you and your mates and management who control herschel stuff. they're the questions— herschel stuff. they're the questions for— herschel stuff. they're the questions for tv- cl” they're the questions for tv bosses mount up show— questions for tv bosses mount up shout what— questions for tv bosses mount up about what who— questions for tv bosses mount up about what who knew what when and how— about what who knew what when and how about— about what who knew what when and how about phillip schofield's_ and how about phillip schofield's affair with a younger— schofield's affair with a younger member of staff? eamonn saws— younger member of staff? eamonn says there— younger member of staff? eamonn says there ws— younger member of staff? eamonn says there e— younger member of staff? eamonn says there was a cover up. . says there was a cover up. it teete— says there was a cover up. it tests the— says there was a cover up. it feels like there— says there was a cover up. it feels like there was- says there was a cover up. it feels like there was one to me now. whatsapp. boris if you pardon the pun, another row over the former prime minister over whether private messages from bofis whether private messages from boris senior ministers boris and other senior ministers should over to the should be handed over to the covid inquiry deadline of 4:00 this afternoon. from what we

hear , the cabinet office is not hear, the cabinet office is not going to comply. i'm sorry , but going to comply. i'm sorry, but why is he running in a shirt? who goes running in a shirt? these— who goes running in a shirt? those pictures— who goes running in a shirt? those pictures are quite upsetting.— those pictures are quite upsetting. but we move on. let her sheet.— upsetting. but we move on. let her speak. academic kathleen steth— her speak. academic kathleen stock-the— her speak. academic kathleen stock the backing the stock gets the backing of the tethe— stock gets the backing of the prime minister— stock gets the backing of the prime minister speaking prime minister she's speaking tehtght— prime minister she's speaking tonight-protests- prime minister she's speaking tonight protests are tonight in oxford. protests are expected— tonight in oxford. protests are expected-et- tonight in oxford. protests are expected-of her- tonight in oxford. protests are expected of her views on expected because of her views on tens— expected because of her views on trees hghts— expected because of her views on trees hghts .— expected because of her views on trans rights . but— expected because of her views on trans rights . but let's know all trans rights. but let's know all yew— trans rights. but let's know all yew thoughts— trans rights. but let's know all your thoughts on— trans rights. but let's know all your thoughts on our talking hehts— your thoughts on our talking hethtstetew.— your thoughts on our talking points today. email us at gb vtews— points today. email us at gb vtews et— points today. email us at gb vtews at he— points today. email us at gb views at gb news .com. but test,— views at gb news .com. but first hees— views at gb news .com. but first, here's your— views at gb news .com. but first, here's your morning news wtth— first, here's your morning news wtth atten— first, here's your morning news with aaron armstrong . «ig g: with aaron armstrong. very good morning— with aaron armstrong. very good heththg te— with aaron armstrong. very good morning to you. it is 932 here in the gb news room. as you may have just been hearing, eamonn holmes has described his former colleague, phillip schofield , as colleague, phillip schofield, as a chief narcissist, accusing him of creating a toxic culture at itv's this morning. schofield resigned from the broadcaster and was dropped by his agency after admitting to an affair

with a young male colleague on the programme in a gb news exclusive presenter and former this morning host eamonn holmes says he believes executives at itv knew about and covered up the affair to protect phillip and holly willoughby, as well as to protect the brand. eamonn also told us these revelations have given other former this morning contributors the confidence to come forward. someone sent me this message last night. hello , eamonn. i last night. hello, eamonn. i hope— last night. hello, eamonn. i hope you— last night. hello, eamonn. i hope you ont— last night. hello, eamonn. i hope you and ruth- i 3 hello, eamonn. i hope you and ruth are well. just wanted— hope you and ruth are well. just wohtet to— hope you and ruth are well. just wanted to tell— hope you and ruth are well. just wanted to tell you— hope you and ruth are well. just wanted to tell you that the whote — wanted to tell you that the whole phillip— wanted to tell you that the whole phillip schofield scandal has whole phillip schofield scandal hos oetuottw— whole phillip schofield scandal has actually given many ex this hothhe— has actually given many ex this hothhe stott— has actually given many ex this morning staff the _ has actually given many ex this morning staff the courage to tthotw— morning staff the courage to finally speot— morning staff the courage to finally speak out . i left this finally speak out. i left this months;— finally speak out. i left this morning with— finally speak out. i left this morning with a— finally speak out. i left this morning with a payout and i had to sten— morning with a payout and i had to shoe o— morning with a payout and i had to sign a non—disclosure agreement— to sign a non—disclosure agreement to— to sign a non—disclosure agreement to cover up the bullying— agreement to cover up the bullying ont— agreement to cover up the bullying and power abuse while in bullying and power abuse while he o— bullying and power abuse while in a statement— bullying and power abuse while in a statement released this weekend,— in a statement released this weekend, itv— in a statement released this weekend, itv confirmed it did thvestteote— weekend, itv confirmed it did investigate rumours of a relationship— investigate rumours of a relationship between schofield and relationship between schofield one o— relationship between schofield one o tettow— relationship between schofield and a fellow employee and that tooth— and a fellow employee and that hoth hottes— and a fellow employee and that both parties categorically and

tepeotettw— both parties categorically and repeatedly denied the rumours, as repeatedly denied the rumours, os ott— repeatedly denied the rumours, as did schofield's— repeatedly denied the rumours, as did schofield's agent at the the— as did schofield's agent at the the . — as did schofield's agent at the the . the— as did schofield's agent at the time . l l. l time. the government has until 4:00 this afternoon to release more of boris johnson's unredacted documents to the covid public inquiry or face criminal prosecution. the cabinet office is arguing some of the material is unambiguously irrelevant . their words. the irrelevant. their words. the chair of the inquiry , baroness chair of the inquiry, baroness hallett, though, says she will be the judge of what is in its scope . food inflation has slowed scope. food inflation has slowed slightly in may, after a year of record increases , but overall record increases, but overall shop prices have still gone up. that's been driven by a jump in the price of shelf stable items like coffee and chocolate, which has been eased by a marginal drop in fresh fruit products. the government is in talks with supermarkets to introduce caps on the price essential items on the price of essential items to families deal with the to help families deal with the rising cost of living . that's it rising cost of living. that's it for the moment. more, though, on all of our stories on our website. gb news. .com and now

it's back to andrew and dawn . it's back to andrew and dawn. good morning. and to our . good morning. and to our top stories straight— stories straight away because it's stories straight away because tt-s-etoetet.- stories straight away because it's cracker. eamonn it's such a cracker. eamonn hothes— it's such a cracker. eamonn hothes hos— it's such a cracker. eamonn holmes has claimed there was a totot— holmes has claimed there was a totot sover— holmes has claimed there was a total cover-over— holmes has claimed there was a total cover over phillip total cover up over phillip schofield's— total cover up over phillip schofield's affair with a younger— schofield's affair with a younger moh- schofield's affair with a younger man in an exclusive htewtew— younger man in an exclusive interview with— younger man in an exclusive interview with gb news. itv has tehtet— interview with gb news. itv has tehtet the— interview with gb news. itv has denied the allegations. it; denied the allegations. they wowe— denied the allegations. they would, wouldn't— denied the allegations. they would, wouldn't they? saying that they investigated when rumours of a relationship first surface. but both parties categorically and repeatedly denied them in the sit down chat with our very own dan wootton. eamonn also called out what he saw as a culture— eamonn also called out what he saw as a culture of— eamonn also called out what he saw as a culture of toxicity. i ooh-t— saw as a culture of toxicity. i cant soy— saw as a culture of toxicity. i cant soy thet— saw as a culture of toxicity. i can't say that word this morning . h— can't say that word this morning . th the— can't say that word this morning . th the . — can't say that word this morning . th ttte . t— can't say that word this morning . in life. i have— can't say that word this morning . in life . “at: . in life. i have always had this belief that a lie unchallenged becomes the truth . unchallenged becomes the truth. so although i don't want to stand up to schofield constantly pointing out where he's lying

when i feel i have to . is he when i feel i have to. is he delusional? does he imagined the or is he so detached from real life at this morning that he didn't realise what was going on? i often say this to ruth. i said maybe he believes all this stuff. maybe he did not see what went on, actually, because there's something wrong with him . but he is the chief narcissist. he is a complete unuttered dyed in the wool narcissist . everything is about narcissist. everything is about him . what did you know about him. what did you know about thts— him. what did you know about thts young— him. what did you know about this young man?— i what did you know about this young man? because he was there— this young man? because he was there o— this young man? because he was there o tot. — this young man? because he was there a lot. he's— this young man? because he was there a lot. he's been pictured on the— there a lot. he's been pictured on the soto— there a lot. he's been pictured on the sofa as— there a lot. he's been pictured on the sofa as a— there a lot. he's been pictured on the sofa as a very young teenager— on the sofa as a very young teenager sitting— on the sofa as a very young teenager sitting in between how— teenager sitting in between holly willoughby and phillip sehottett— holly willoughby and phillip sehottett .— holly willoughby and phillip schofield . and. and then i schofield. and. and then i remember working at itv daytime and he— remember working at itv daytime and he ws— remember working at itv daytime and he o— remember working at itv daytime and he was a non—negotiable part of and he was a non—negotiable part ot hhttth-s— and he was a non—negotiable part ot thttth-s the.— and he was a non—negotiable part of philip's life. sometimes there— of philip's life. sometimes there would— of philip's life. sometimes there would even be taxis tewyhe— there would even be taxis tewyhg thts— there would even be taxis ferrying this young man between the stutto— ferrying this young man between the studio and— ferrying this young man between the studio and philip's house. so the studio and philip's house. so whot— the studio and philip's house. so what tht— the studio and philip's house. so what did you— the studio and philip's house. so what did you know about him

hetote— so what did you know about him hetote he— so what did you know about him hetote he ws— so what did you know about him before he was moved onto loose tuohehe — before he was moved onto loose tuohehe t— before he was moved onto loose women? i didn't— before he was moved onto loose women? t: t: l before he was moved onto loose women? ti ti“ l women? i didn't know, but i've subsequently found out from a very, very good source because as he would arrive much earlier in the morning than i would for the programme that he was delivered from philip's london home, usually on a friday morning, because thursday was play morning, because thursday was play time when he and philip would hit the town and then he obviously stayed overnight. and there are records to show that he was brought in the next day separately in cars paid for by itv, cars paid for by itv . so itv, cars paid for by itv. so the management « {its ti « so the management would « ties dec « so the management would have « ti.it”~;: dec « so the management would have had itv, cars paid for by itv. so- the management would have had to howe— the management would have had to have known— the management would have had to have known about— the management would have had to have known about that, wouldn't they,— have known about that, wouldn't they, utess— have known about that, wouldn't they, unless philip— have known about that, wouldn't they, unless philip paid the hut— they, unless philip paid the bill separately. l they, unless philip paid the bill separately. i i bill separately. but it would still go through the still have to go through the accounts office that they would have seen known that have seen that and known that it's total cover those it's a total cover up and those in authority had to know. they had to what was going on had to know what was going on and they thought they would dodge a bullet with this, which they do. and do they which they do. and they do constantly because with schofield talking about those who speak out against him,

mainly me, amanda holden and you , you'll be included in the toxicity that that goes on. arrange to dr. ranj of course as wett— arrange to dr. ranj of course as wet. — arrange to dr. ranj of course as wet. wett— arrange to dr. ranj of course as wet. wett t— arrange to dr. ranj of course as well. well i think— arrange to dr. ranj of course as well . �*vitt�*tiii i arrange to dr. ranj of course as well. i well. well i think philip is absolutely right about toxicity, but my friend the toxicity is not with me. dan wootton or anyone else. the toxicity is with you and your mates in management and everybody who kept you in power for and in abusive power for so long. and if i'm guilty of anything, it's speaking up for all those researchers who you ignored and all those producers who you treated like dirt, all those people who are texting and phoning me and dan wootton and saying, we feel now empowered to come out and tell the public the truth, because the truth is the pubuc truth, because the truth is the public can't handle the truth . public can't handle the truth. the public don't want. they think a little broom think you're a little broom cupboard person and they grew up with you and you're lovely and you're whatever, with you and you're lovely and you�*you whatever, with you and you're lovely and you�*you let whatever, with you and you're lovely and you�*you let your whatever, with you and you're lovely and you�*you let your famehatever, with you and you're lovely and you�*you let your fame and ler, with you and you're lovely and you�*you let your fame and your but you let your fame and your power corrupt you and. and that's where we're at today . and that's where we're at today. and if i'm guilty of anything, it's

guilty of exposing you . well, he guilty of exposing you. well, he tells it, doesn't he? amen. fighting talk. _ tells it, doesn't he? amen. fighting talk. i- tells it, doesn't he? amen. fighting talk. i wouldn't want to cross over. and i must admit. absolutely. meanwhile an itv spokesperson— absolutely. meanwhile an itv spokesperson says further to our statement— spokesperson says further to our stoteheht oh— spokesperson says further to our statement on saturday, itv can confirm— statement on saturday, itv can confirm when— statement on saturday, itv can confirm when rumours of a tetottohshth— confirm when rumours of a relationship between phillip sehottett— relationship between phillip schofield and _ relationship between phillip schofield and an employee of itv test— schofield and an employee of itv tttst heeoh— schofield and an employee of itv tttst began to— schofield and an employee of itv first began to circulate in eotty— first began to circulate in eotty 2020,— first began to circulate in early 2020, itv investigated and tooth— early 2020, itv investigated and hoth hottes— early 2020, itv investigated and both parties were— early 2020, itv investigated and both parties were questioned and tooth— both parties were questioned and both categorically— both parties were questioned and both categorically and tepeotetty— both categorically and repeatedly denied the rumours , repeatedly denied the rumours, as repeatedly denied the rumours, os tht— repeatedly denied the rumours, as did philip's— repeatedly denied the rumours, as did philip's then agency. why tttu — as did philip's then agency. why tttu e— as did philip's then agency. why tttu e h— as did philip's then agency. why imu 7 in addition,— as did philip's then agency. why imu ? in addition, itv spoke to imu? in addition, itv spoke to a huhteh— imu? in addition, itv spoke to a huheh ot— imu? in addition, itv spoke to a number of people— imu? in addition, itv spoke to a number of people who worked on this number of people who worked on thts hothhg— number of people who worked on this morning and— number of people who worked on this morning and were not prowtet— this morning and were not provided with— this morning and were not provided with and did not find any ewtehee— provided with and did not find any evidence of— provided with and did not find any evidence of a— provided with and did not find any evidence of a relationship heyoht— any evidence of a relationship beyond hearsay— any evidence of a relationship beyond hearsay and rumour. where were-toothed— beyond hearsay and rumour. where were looking, dawn? where were they looking, dawn? where were-toothee — were they looking, dawn? where were-looking? i- were they looking, dawn? where were looking? were they looking? i look, we all were they looking? i look, we ott thew— were they looking? i look, we all know people that work over there, and i'm sorry. i think if any of that behaviour was going on here now, obviously there is absolutely nothing going on between us. andrew like it made that clear. people would know. of course they would. people

would especially and would talk and especially and especially if you are someone's rock , you're their best friend rock, you're their best friend and you go on holiday together. yeah. and you didn't any of yeah. and you didn't spot any of it. funny that philip's statement— it. funny that philip's statement on- l funny that philip's statement on friday reveals that he het— statement on friday reveals that he ttet to— statement on friday reveals that he lied to people— statement on friday reveals that he lied to people at itv. this is he lied to people at itv. this ts so— he lied to people at itv. this ts so thts— he lied to people at itv. this ts so thts ts— he lied to people at itv. this is so this is itv— he lied to people at itv. this is so this is itv still saying now throwing— is so this is itv still saying now throwing him under a bus. thttth-s— now throwing him under a bus. philip's statement on friday teweost— philip's statement on friday reveals-lied— philip's statement on friday reveals-lied to- philip's statement on friday reveals lied to people at itv reveals he lied to people at itv hom— reveals he lied to people at itv from-management- reveals he lied to people at itv from management fellow from senior management to fellow presenters— from senior management to fellow presenters-the- from senior management to fellow presenters the media presenters to imu to the media ont— presenters to imu to the media oht—hts- and to others over his relationship- and to others over his relationship right . i and to others over his— relationship right . so should we relationship right. so should we go out— relationship right. so should we go and talk to our reporter, ray addison ? i think we should. ray addison? i think we should. ray is television centre in is outside television centre in west london, where morning west london, where this morning is morning , west london, where this morning is morning, ray. no is filmed. good morning, ray. no holly or phil today, obviously, but the show always goes on, doesn't it? so what's happening this there . well, this morning over there. well, the show continues— this morning over there. well, the show continues today- “g well, the show continues today . but the show continues today. but for the show continues today. but to how— the show continues today. but to how hush— the show continues today. but for how much longer? that's the ouesttoh— for how much longer? that's the ouesttoh that— for how much longer? that's the question that people across the uk question that people across the uh wtth— question that people across the uh wttt he— question that people across the uk will be asking— question that people across the uk will be asking today. cettohty— uk will be asking today. certainly itv's senior management will be in crisis totts— management will be in crisis talks discussing— management will be in crisis talks discussing certainly the hohhshett— talks discussing certainly the bombshell interview that eamonn hothes— bombshell interview that eamonn hothes hot— bombshell interview that eamonn holmes had last— bombshell interview that eamonn holmes had last night with dan wootton—

holmes had last night with dan tuoottoh hete— holmes had last night with dan wootton here exclusively on gb uews. — wootton here exclusively on gb uews. et— wootton here exclusively on gb news. of course,— wootton here exclusively on gb news. of course, eamonn holmes teweothe— news. of course, eamonn holmes teweothe that— news. of course, eamonn holmes revealing that in— news. of course, eamonn holmes revealing that in his opinion , revealing that in his opinion, ttv— revealing that in his opinion, ttv hust— revealing that in his opinion, itv must have— revealing that in his opinion, itv must have known what was going— itv must have known what was gohg — itv must have known what was gohg aho— itv must have known what was gohg aht ot— itv must have known what was going on. and of course , eamonn going on. and of course, eamonn otso— going on. and of course, eamonn otso teweothg— going on. and of course, eamonn also revealing details of that so—eottet— also revealing details of that so—called thursday playtime when hhtttth— so—called thursday playtime when phillip schofield _ so—called thursday playtime when phillip schofield would go out to potty— phillip schofield would go out to potty oh— phillip schofield would go out to potty on o— phillip schofield would go out to party on a thursday evening wtth— to party on a thursday evening wtth that— to party on a thursday evening with that young— to party on a thursday evening with that young male runner. and then— with that young male runner. and then the— with that young male runner. and then the following— with that young male runner. and then the following morning, that woutt— then the following morning, that runner would then _ then the following morning, that runner would then be taxied from thtttth— runner would then be taxied from phillip schofield's— runner would then be taxied from phillip schofield's house, oeeotthe— phillip schofield's house, according to— phillip schofield's house, according to eamonn, to the this hothhe— according to eamonn, to the this morning studios— according to eamonn, to the this morning studios now of course itv morning studios now of course ttv soyhe— morning studios now of course ttv soyhg yes— morning studios now of course itv saying yes they were warned of itv saying yes they were warned ot thts— itv saying yes they were warned of this affair— itv saying yes they were warned of this affair three _ itv saying yes they were warned of this affair three years ago, hut— of this affair three years ago, hut they— of this affair three years ago, but they carried— of this affair three years ago, but they carried out their own investigation— but they carried out their own investigation and found no ewtehee— investigation and found no evidence of— investigation and found no evidence of it— investigation and found no evidence of it beyond hearsay ont— evidence of it beyond hearsay and rumour. and— evidence of it beyond hearsay and rumour. and that begs the ouesttoh— and rumour. and that begs the ouesttoh tot— and rumour. and that begs the question for many people, though— question for many people, though, ws— question for many people, though, was that investigation sthhty— though, was that investigation simply incompetent or was there somethhe— simply incompetent or was there something more— simply incompetent or was there something more deliberate , something more deliberate, perhaps— something more deliberate, perhops o— something more deliberate, perhaps a cover— something more deliberate, perhaps a cover up? certainly peopte— perhaps a cover up? certainly some people suspect that might howe— some people suspect that might have teen— some people suspect that might have been the— some people suspect that might have been the case. now, eamonn is have been the case. now, eamonn ts tehohtthg— have been the case. now, eamonn is demanding that— have been the case. now, eamonn is demanding that itv release the horse— is demanding that itv release the records of— is demanding that itv release the records of that so—called thorough— the records of that so—called

thorough investigation so that we put— thorough investigation so that we can put some— thorough investigation so that we can put some light on it and peopte— we can put some light on it and peopte ooh— we can put some light on it and people can make— we can put some light on it and people can make up their own rhhts— people can make up their own rhhts rust— people can make up their own minds just how— people can make up their own minds just how thoroughly it was turret— minds just how thoroughly it was eorrtet out. — minds just how thoroughly it was carried out. he— minds just how thoroughly it was carried out. he also says his phone— carried out. he also says his phone hos— carried out. he also says his phone has been— carried out. he also says his phone has been overflowing with essaeps trorh — phone has been overflowing with messages from members of staff, peopte— messages from members of staff, peopte who— messages from members of staff, peopte who wort— messages from members of staff, people who work at— messages from members of staff, people who work at itv and on thts— people who work at itv and on thts morphe— people who work at itv and on this morning saying thank you for this morning saying thank you tor speathe— this morning saying thank you for speaking out— this morning saying thank you for speaking out about the toxtetty— for speaking out about the toxtetty .— for speaking out about the toatetty . we— for speaking out about the toxicity . we at— for speaking out about the toxicity . we at this morning and toxicity. we at this morning and for toxicity. we at this morning and tor sharhp— toxicity. we at this morning and tor sharhp your— toxicity. we at this morning and for sharing your own experiences as wet — for sharing your own experiences as wet so— for sharing your own experiences as well. so what— for sharing your own experiences as well. so what next for this morphe— as well. so what next for this horhhp e— as well. so what next for this morning ? well,— as well. so what next for this morning ? well, certainly we know morning? well, certainly we know that as— morning? well, certainly we know that as tt— morning? well, certainly we know that as it stands,— morning? well, certainly we know that as it stands, the brand is taratshet— that as it stands, the brand is tarnished. we— that as it stands, the brand is tarnished. we know that there has— tarnished. we know that there has teen— tarnished. we know that there has been breaking over the weekend.— has been breaking over the weekend. gb— has been breaking over the weekend. gb news understands that— weekend. gb news understands that one— weekend. gb news understands that ot— weekend. gb news understands that one of the— weekend. gb news understands that one of the chief sponsor of the p.og..mme,_ that one of the chief sponsor of the programme, arnold clark, has treated— the programme, arnold clark, has teettet that— the programme, arnold clark, has decided that they— the programme, arnold clark, has decided that they will not be rehewhp— decided that they will not be renewing their— decided that they will not be renewing their contract with thts— renewing their contract with thts morphe— renewing their contract with this morning and of course, you know,— this morning and of course, you know, that— this morning and of course, you know, that could— this morning and of course, you know, that could mean that itv is know, that could mean that itv ts set— know, that could mean that itv ts set to— know, that could mean that itv ts set to rose— know, that could mean that itv is set to lose millions and httttohs— is set to lose millions and millions of— is set to lose millions and millions of pounds in revenue. tahohh— millions of pounds in revenue. tarhohh sayhp— millions of pounds in revenue. eamonn saying he doesn't think that— eamonn saying he doesn't think that how— eamonn saying he doesn't think that holly willoughby will be hast— that holly willoughby will be hast oh— that holly willoughby will be back on that— that holly willoughby will be back on that sofa ever . that holly willoughby will be back on that sofa ever. in fact, heeause— back on that sofa ever. in fact, heeause ot— back on that sofa ever. in fact, because of her— back on that sofa ever. in fact, because of her own brand and the heet— because of her own brand and the need to— because of her own brand and the need to protest— because of her own brand and the need to protect it.— because of her own brand and the need to protect it. itv saying

that— need to protect it. itv saying that thts— need to protect it. itv saying that this morning is not under aha— that this morning is not under review and there— that this morning is not under review and there are no plans for review and there are no plans tor the— review and there are no plans tor the show— review and there are no plans for the show to— review and there are no plans for the show to be axed. time wtt— for the show to be axed. time wttt tert— for the show to be axed. time wttt tett . — for the show to be axed. time will tell . yeah,— for the show to be axed. time will tell. / will tell. yeah, they sort of would say that. do you remember carol? sorry dawn. going back a few years. here's carol. yeah. something you want to write. okay . carol is lovely, by the okay. carol is lovely, by the way.— okay. carol is lovely, by the way. she— okay. carol is lovely, by the way. she was— okay. carol is lovely, by the way. she was . _ okay. carol is lovely, by the way. she was . “tit“ way. she was. she was on the news of the world and almost out of the blue over the some of the phone hacking allegations, rupert murdoch closed down a very successful newspaper. yes, absolutely profitable— absolutely profitable and doing very— absolutely profitable and doing very-.— absolutely profitable and doing very- aha— absolutely profitable and doing very- that he— absolutely profitable and doing very . and he close it down. very well. and he close it down. ctose— very well. and he close it down. those tt— very well. and he close it down. those tt towa— very well. and he close it down. close it down straight away. that-s— close it down straight away. that's instant— close it down straight away. that's instant reaction. and i'm sorry.— that's instant reaction. and i'm sorry—thow- that's instant reaction. and i'm sorry—thow wel sorry. i mean, you know, we respect— sorry. i mean, you know, we respect statements that have respect the statements that have been — respect the statements that have been hate — respect the statements that have been made completely, obviously. but-remember— been made completely, obviously. but-remember-to- been made completely, obviously. but remember to the but if you remember back to the hattohat— but if you remember back to the national-awards— but if you remember back to the national awards back 2020, national tv awards back in 2020, january—incredibly. january 2020, when incredibly urusuatty— january 2020, when incredibly unusually, when— january 2020, when incredibly unusually, when this morning won a eertah— unusually, when this morning won aeertah young— unusually, when this morning won a certain young man, this partteutar— a certain young man, this particular young man got up on stage— particular young man got up on stage eer— particular young man got up on stage even though he was just a at the— stage even though he was just a runner at the time— stage even though he was just a runner at the time with all the stas — runner at the time with all the stas yeah.— runner at the time with all the stars. yeah. now,— runner at the time with all the stars. yeah. now, why would you do stars. yeah. now, why would you to that? — stars. yeah. now, why would you to that? aru— stars. yeah. now, why would you do that? and because- stars. yeah. now, why would you do that? “ti i stars. yeah. now, why would you do that? ' “ti i do that? and because he was a non negotiable part of phillip schofield right. okay.

schofield life. right. okay. but but you know, they've investigated - but you know, they've investigated there investigated and there was hothhp— investigated and there was nothing at nothing untoward going on at at. — nothing untoward going on at at. he.— nothing untoward going on at at. to. art— nothing untoward going on at all. no. and the— nothing untoward going on at all. no. and the mail- nothing untoward going on at all. \tit “ti i nothing untoward going on at all. \tit ““ti i all. no. and the mail my own papen all. no. and the mail my own paper, of course, revealed that phillip schofield young phillip schofield met this young man he you have no man when he was 15. you have no idea it turned a idea when it turned into a sexual relationship. phillip schofield said nothing illegal happened. it , very happened. it was unwise, very —hawe- unwise. could legally have startet— unwise. could legally have started from _ unwise. could legally have started from his birthday. started from his 16th birthday. yest— started from his 16th birthday. has at— started from his 16th birthday. yes, of course,— started from his 16th birthday. yes, of course, when— started from his 16th birthday. yes, of course, when phillip would been about 53. yeah would have been about 53. yeah people have a fear. people look shatt— people have a fear. people look shatt pray— people have a fear. people look shall play devil's— people have a fear. people look shall play devil's advocate sttphtty— shall play devil's advocate slightly here. _ shall play devil's advocate slightly here. of course people have— slightly here. of course people have attatrs— slightly here. of course people have affairs at— slightly here. of course people have affairs at work. okay that happens— have affairs at work. okay that happens aha— have affairs at work. okay that happens and it's— have affairs at work. okay that happens and it's i'm you know the age— happens and it's i'm you know the age pap— happens and it's i'm you know the age gap ts— happens and it's i'm you know the age gap is rather large at aha— the age gap is rather large at and you— the age gap is rather large at and you would— the age gap is rather large at and you would have thought itv woutt— and you would have thought itv woutt have— and you would have thought itv would have had— and you would have thought itv would have had a— and you would have thought itv would have had a duty of care to toot— would have had a duty of care to toot arter— would have had a duty of care to toot atter a— would have had a duty of care to look after a particularly very young— look after a particularly very young ruhher— look after a particularly very young runner. i— look after a particularly very young runner. i didn't think i ooutt— young runner. i didn't think i eoutt start— young runner. i didn't think i could start work— young runner. i didn't think i could start work there until they— could start work there until they — could start work there until they rs— could start work there until they were 18 as— could start work there until they were 18 as runners. but mayhe— they were 18 as runners. but maybe t— they were 18 as runners. but maybe t ooh-t— they were 18 as runners. but maybe i don't know. but you woutt— maybe i don't know. but you woutt have— maybe i don't know. but you would have thought there would be would have thought there would he a— would have thought there would he a duty— would have thought there would he a tuty ot— would have thought there would be a duty of care,— would have thought there would be a duty of care, but you know, peopte— be a duty of care, but you know, peopte to— be a duty of care, but you know, peopte to have— be a duty of care, but you know, people do have affairs at work. so people do have affairs at work. soltheory— people do have affairs at work. soltheory .— people do have affairs at work. soltheory , philip— people do have affairs at work. so theory , philip schofield so in theory, philip schofield has— so in theory, philip schofield has tone— so in theory, philip schofield has done-wrong.- so in theory, philip schofield has done wrong. and the has done nothing wrong. and the tattout— has done nothing wrong. and the tattout ot— has done nothing wrong. and the fallout of-some_ has done nothing wrong. and the fallout of some would say, fallout of this, some would say, has— fallout of this, some would say, has turhet— fallout of this, some would say, has turned into— fallout of this, some would say, has turned into a—

fallout of this, some would say, has turned into a witch hunt. ureth— has turned into a witch hunt. wett, what— has turned into a witch hunt. well, what he's— has turned into a witch hunt. well, what he's done wrong is het— well, what he's done wrong is lied because— well, what he's done wrong is lied because he— well, what he's done wrong is lied because he lied. it's the tower-tset— lied because he lied. it's the cover-isn'tithat's- cover up, isn't it? that's atways— cover up, isn't it? that's atways the— cover up, isn't it? that's always the thing. i cover up, isn't it? that's- always the thing. it's what gets politicians the time. it's politicians all the time. it's not offence, it's cover not the offence, it's the cover up.the not the offence, it's the cover up. the cover i think up. the cover up. i think richard watergate . richard nixon and watergate. yeah. boring break into some political offices. and they lied and lied. lied. and it brought down a president. yeah, that's exaetty— down a president. yeah, that's exaetty-thhp.— down a president. yeah, that's exactly-thing. is— down a president. yeah, that's exactly-thing. is it- i tii“ yeah, that's exactly thing. is it whether exactly the thing. is it whether it's exactly the thing. is it whether tt-slpottttes— exactly the thing. is it whether it's-politics or— exactly the thing. is it whether it's-politics or tv— exactly the thing. is it whether it's politics or tv or it's in politics or tv or prohatty— it's in politics or tv or probably every walk of life. etay, — probably every walk of life. okay-aah— probably every walk of life. okay-aah to- probably every walk of life. okay, can do pretty hideous okay, you can do pretty hideous thhps— okay, you can do pretty hideous thhps. hut— okay, you can do pretty hideous thhps. put as— okay, you can do pretty hideous things. but as-as- okay, you can do pretty hideous things. but as as come things. but as long as you come seaht— things. but as long as you come eteah—hel clean, fall on your sword, be hohourahte— clean, fall on your sword, be honourable and— clean, fall on your sword, be honourable and tell the truth. ves- — honourable and tell the truth. ves- that-s— honourable and tell the truth. yes. that's where— honourable and tell the truth. yes. that's where - gone. - yes. that's where it's gone. horribly wrong. exactly. but what— horribly wrong. exactly. but what-unprecedented- g exactly. but what unprecedented in this is what is unprecedented in this is it's what is unprecedented in this is hrs-they— what is unprecedented in this is tt-s-they keep— what is unprecedented in this is it's they keep issuing it's like they keep keep issuing statehehts. — it's like they keep keep issuing statements. - do - it's like they keep keep issuing statements. do digging statements. they do digging hotes— statements. they do digging holes themselves . \ttiit�*tit" holes for themselves. now, on other— holes for themselves. now, on other news— holes for themselves. now, on other news, the government is going to have, well, it could be as as as soon as 4:00 today, a legal showdown with the pandemic inquiry because as lady hallett, baroness hallett , who is baroness hallett, who is conducting that inquiry, she's a former judge. she says she wants formerjudge. she says she wants bods formerjudge. she says she wants boris johnson's whatsapps and diaries from the pandemic and lots of whatsapps to other ministers. all handed over. wow.

a baroness hallett, the tnoutry-s— a baroness hallett, the inquiry's chairwoman, wants to the— inquiry's chairwoman, wants to see the unredacted messages between— see the unredacted messages between johnson— see the unredacted messages between johnson sunak hancock and between johnson sunak hancock ant toens— between johnson sunak hancock ant toens ot— between johnson sunak hancock and dozens of others . wih and dozens of others. now they-ye— and dozens of others. now they've already she's already had 50,000 documents relating to bods had 50,000 documents relating to boris johnson. i mean, who is going to read all? so if you think this inquiry is going to be over any time soon, no, forget it. it'll be at least five years of my prediction. my be my prediction. so is this sort of be my prediction. so is this sort ot the,— be my prediction. so is this sort of like, you— be my prediction. so is this sort of like, you know,- i titit“ so is this sort of like, you know, the utttnate — sort of like, you know, the ultimate kick— sort of like, you know, the ultimate kick kicking into the tone— ultimate kick kicking into the tone grass— ultimate kick kicking into the tone eass the— ultimate kick kicking into the long grass, the iraq inquiry long grass, the iraq war inquiry was—zero.- long grass, the iraq war inquiry was—2013.ithe. long grass, the iraq war inquiryi was—2013.ithe war was published in 2013. the war in was published in 2013. the war tn trau— was published in 2013. the war tn trae wa— was published in 2013. the war in iraq was 2003. that's true. yeah ten years. sunday for three years after the event. and how much did they cost? lots of money. we've got- i“ ti ti i“ lots of money. we've got loads of money to spare— money. we've got loads of money to spare on— money. we've got loads of money to spare on thts— money. we've got loads of money to spare on this sort— money. we've got loads of money to spare on this sort of thing. ehwtousty — to spare on this sort of thing. obviously well,— to spare on this sort of thing. obviously �*vitt�*tiii titi) i ii obviously well, anyway, till 4:00 pm today, that's when the government has provide all government has to provide all the they face the material or they face a potential challenge to the ruling. right. well, let's ruling. right. okay. well, let's get ruling. right. okay. well, let's eet none— ruling. right. okay. well, let's eet on— ruling. right. okay. well, let's get more on this— “3 right. okay. well, let's get more on this political get more on this show. political etttor— get more on this show. political etttor at— get more on this show. political editor at huffpost_ get more on this show. political editor at huffpost uk, kevin soott— editor at huffpost uk, kevin soott here,— editor at huffpost uk, kevin scott field,-now. editor at huffpost uk, kevin scott field, now . good scott field, joins us now. good norntne— scott field, joins us now. good morning, kevin.— scott field, joins us now. good morning, kevin. there you are . morning, kevin. there you are. retent— morning, kevin. there you are. tteht. okay.— morning, kevin. there you are.

tteht. okay. so— morning, kevin. there you are. right. okay. so bring us up to speed— right. okay. so bring us up to speet on— right. okay. so bring us up to speed on what's— right. okay. so bring us up to speed on what's happening today. we-we— speed on what's happening today. rue-we eot— speed on what's happening today. rue-we eot thts— speed on what's happening today. we've got this 4:00— speed on what's happening today. we've got this 4:00 deadline, hut— we've got this 4:00 deadline, put there— we've got this 4:00 deadline, put there ts— we've got this 4:00 deadline, but there is a— we've got this 4:00 deadline, but there is a legal deadlock going— but there is a legal deadlock eotne — but there is a legal deadlock eotne so— but there is a legal deadlock going on. so what's happening ? going on. so what's happening? yeah— going on. so what's happening? veah. yure— going on. so what's happening? yeah, you're right.— going on. so what's happening? yeah, you're right. so— going on. so what's happening? yeah, you're right. so the- going on. so what's happening? yeah, you're right. so the as you said, the chair of the inquiry wants access to all of these notebooks and whatsapp messages between boris johnson and rishi sunak. for instance, many senior figures in government at the time and she wants full access to all of them, though the cabinet office have said that a lot of them are completely irrelevant to the covid inquiry and they're not going to hand them over. so you know, as you said, there's a 4 pm. deadline. but as things p.m. deadline. but as things stand at the moment, looks stand at the moment, it looks like is probably like this one is probably heading the courts. and heading for the courts. and that's before we the that's before we get to the actual inquiry itself. so it's all into a bit of a all turning into a bit of a mess, kevin, because the government set up the inquiry, they presumably lady government set up the inquiry, they to presumably lady government set up the inquiry, they to chairumably lady government set up the inquiry, they to chairumabltnowy government set up the inquiry, they to chairumabltnow they hallett to chair it and now they could end up in court before anything really happens. but this boris's to this isn't boris's decision to my— this isn't boris's decision to my understanding. kevin it is the-ethe- my understanding. kevin it is

the-office, which. my understanding. kevin it is the office, which is the cabinet office, which is saytne— the cabinet office, which is saytne no— the cabinet office, which is saytne no to— the cabinet office, which is saying no to lady hallett . yeah, saying no to lady hallett. yeah, that-s— saying no to lady hallett. yeah, that-s rteht. — saying no to lady hallett. yeah, that's right. andrew- saying no to lady hallett. yeah, that's right. ' i ' i saying no to lady hallett. yeah, that's right. ' “ti ' “i that's right. andrew and i mean, the thing is, if you set up a pubuc the thing is, if you set up a public inquiry and it's easy to set them up and it can solve a political problem in the short term, you say it's going to be a pubuc term, you say it's going to be a public inquiry, kicks it into the long grass a little bit. but the long grass a little bit. but the law of unintended consequences then comes into play consequences then comes into play and it looks as though the government squeamish, government is now squeamish, to put mildly , at the prospect put it mildly, at the prospect of a lot of these messages being released. now, i would imagine you know, the ones that have absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the pandemic outbreak won't ever be released into the public eye. however, the concern is, i suppose, that, you know, they're going to have a lot of these private messages quite off the cuff messages, i would imagine, between ministers at the time and boris johnson. obviously if you remember, it was very highly pressured and uncertain time . and it could uncertain time. and it could potentially be pretty

embarrassing. so you can understand from a government point of view why they might not want these messages to be released unredacted. however i think for the inquiry to have any credibility at all, then the chair of the inquiry needs to have full access to everything that she wants. she wants to see. you can imagine what they-re— see. you can imagine what they're worried— you can imagine what they're worried about. ministers as nons— they're worried about. ministers as ports as— they're worried about. ministers as boris as well,— they're worried about. ministers as boris as well, is— they're worried about. ministers as boris as well, is the odd gag they— as boris as well, is the odd gag they hate— as boris as well, is the odd gag they nate tn— as boris as well, is the odd gag they nate tn a— as boris as well, is the odd gag they made in a whatsapp message. yes. they made in a whatsapp message. hes. eattows— they made in a whatsapp message. yes. gallows humour— they made in a whatsapp message. yes. gallows humour to which then— yes. gallows humour to which then when— yes. gallows humour to which then when seen— yes. gallows humour to which then when seen in the context of then when seen in the context of the noun— then when seen in the context of the tneutry ant— then when seen in the context of the inquiry and all— then when seen in the context of the inquiry and all those people dying— the inquiry and all those people tytne woutt— the inquiry and all those people dying would not,— the inquiry and all those people dying would not, people wouldn't see dying would not, people wouldn't the— dying would not, people wouldn't the runny— dying would not, people wouldn't see the funny side— dying would not, people wouldn't see the funny side of context. ahsotutety. — see the funny side of context. absolutely. that's— see the funny side of context. absolutely. that's going to be the worry,— absolutely. that's going to be the worry-tt— absolutely. that's going to be the worry-ht e - the worry, isn't it? absolutely. - the worry, isn't it? absolutely. yeah i mean, you know, we probably wouldn't want people seeing our own whatsapp messages . you know, there's a messages. you know, there's a lot of them. you're not even thinking half the time when you send quick off the cuff send off a quick off the cuff message. as message. but, you know, as i say, at that time, it was very highly pressured. we obviously saw messages that saw the whatsapp messages that were um, by isabel were released, um, by isabel oakeshott on when she did the matt hancock book and the

political storm that those caused. now, if you can imagine, that would be tenfold if it involved boris johnson as well. and as i say, this is before the inquiry even begins is in earnest. and i agree with you, andrew. i think this is going to go on for years. these inquiries tend to turn out that way . and i tend to turn out that way. and i think a lot of the time the pubuc think a lot of the time the public think coming not just move on. perhaps. however, as i say, if you've set up a public inquiry and the chair wants access to documents and you've got to hand them over or else the inquiry is compromised, as i say, kevin, what's the alternative handing over all alternative to handing over all the messages ? is there an the messages? is there an alternative— the messages? is there an alternative way— 3“ is there an alternative way getting the alternative way of getting the tntornatton— alternative way of getting the information-that- alternative way of getting the information that they information given that they reeutre— information given that they reeutre e— information given that they require ? well,— information given that they require ? well, i mean, it's require? well, i mean, it's ttttteutt— require? well, i mean, it's difficult to _ require? well, i mean, it's difficult to see. “ �*" difficult to see. i mean, if he— difficult to see. i mean, if he tt— difficult to see. i mean, if it's if the inquiry is to have any as i say, credibility at all, they need to have access to all, they need to have access to all of this information. you know, they know what know, they want to know what senior were saying, senior figures were saying, communicating the prime communicating with the prime minister how minister at the time, how decisions were bad decisions were made, bad decisions were made, bad decisions well as good

decisions as well as good decisions as well as good decisions in order to carry out the inquiry in the proper manner and also to learn lessons from the pandemic. if god forbid, we have another one so that those lessons can learned and lessons can be learned and better systems can be put in place. so yeah, it's i think it's going to be very uncomfortable for the government and are going to and the lawyers are going to have hard to think have to work very hard to think to convince the courts that these documents shouldn't be handed we're handed over the i mean, we're not quite think boris is not quite i think boris is giving evidence much later, kevin, for rishi sunak in kevin, but for rishi sunak in charge of the government, of course he'll be challenged too, because he was the chancellor of the coming up with the the exchequer coming up with the furlough and all the furlough scheme and all the fraud that. fraud that absolutely with that. but going to he's but it's going to he's desperately- but it's going to he's desperately trying to get the potttteat— desperately trying to get the political initiative away from the-harty— political initiative away from the party because they're the labour party because they're stttt— the labour party because they're stttt way— the labour party because they're still way behind _ the labour party because they're still way behind polls. still way behind in the polls. hut— still way behind in the polls. hutlthts— still way behind in the polls. butlthis cowo— still way behind in the polls. but this covid crisis inquiry but if this covid crisis inquiry tontnates— but if this covid crisis inquiry dominates the— but if this covid crisis inquiry dominates the headlines for days and dominates the headlines for days ant weeks— dominates the headlines for days ant weeks on— dominates the headlines for days and weeks on end— dominates the headlines for days and weeks on end ,_ dominates the headlines for days and weeks on end , it's going to and weeks on end, it's going to be and weeks on end, it's going to he-ttttteutt— and weeks on end, it's going to be-difficultirishi - be very difficult for rishi sunat— be very difficult for rishi sunat to— be very difficult for rishi sunak to get— be very difficult for rishi sunak to get people thinking about— sunak to get people thinking ahout—wett i about other things as well. you-re— about other things as well. you-re nett— about other things as well. you're right-obviously. about other things as well. i you're right-obviously we you're right. and obviously we saw story last week of the saw the story last week of the cabinet office referring these

documents to the police and entries in boris johnson's diary . and the last thing that number 10 want is for more headlines about partygate, because it just bnngs about partygate, because it just brings back all those memories that people have and, you know, the unpopular rmt of the government those stories government when those stories first broke and they want to move on certainly from that episode. know, the episode. but, you know, the longer these things are in the headunes longer these things are in the headlines , more difficult it headlines, the more difficult it becomes for the conservatives all right. can i just can i just 1—1 quick question , kevin, about 1—1 quick question, kevin, about your surname . what's it like your surname. what's it like tethe— your surname. what's it like hetne a— your surname. what's it like being a schofield— your surname. what's it like being a schofield at- ” what's it like being a schofield at the moment 7 being a schofield at the moment ? it being a schofield at the moment e tt .— being a schofield at the moment e tt . tt-s— being a schofield at the moment ? it . it's absolutely— being a schofield at the moment ? it . it's absolutely fine. htit ? it. it's absolutely fine. no one's no one said- ? it. it's absolutely fine. no one's no one said anything to me. i mean, i've had it for years. you know, people when you say your surname, they always say, are you any relation to philip? so maybe you're maybe you're a distant cousin for kevin. maybe he's a distant cousin . well— kevin. maybe he's a distant cousin . well it— “ maybe he's a distant cousin . well it must be very cousin. well it must be very ttstant— cousin. well it must be very distant because— cousin. well it must be very distant because he's been on the go distant because he's been on the eo ton— distant because he's been on the eo ton what,— distant because he's been on the eo tor, what, to— distant because he's been on the

go for, what, 40 years? . 2 distant because he's been on the go for, what, 40 years? ' “i go for, what, 40 years? and i've never been able to establish a connection until probably not, i think probably not a good time. now, not a member. all now, he's not a member. all right. that's that's- right. that's that's kevin schofield.— right. that's that's kevin schofield. schofield, political etttor— schofield. schofield, political etttor ot— schofield. schofield, political editor of the— schofield. schofield, political editor of the huffpost. thanks for editor of the huffpost. thanks tor iotntne— editor of the huffpost. thanks tor iotntne us— editor of the huffpost. thanks for joining us. terrific thank forjoining us. terrific thank you.— forjoining us. terrific thank you. that— forjoining us. terrific thank you. that was— forjoining us. terrific thank you. that was a— forjoining us. terrific thank you. that was a very good point. yeah— you. that was a very good point. veah sorry.— you. that was a very good point. yeah sorry. yeah.— you. that was a very good point. yeah sorry. yeah. the prime trtntsten— yeah sorry. yeah. the prime minister, rishi— yeah sorry. yeah. the prime minister, rishi sunak, says tentntst— minister, rishi sunak, says feminist professor, do we have to tatt— feminist professor, do we have to eatt a— feminist professor, do we have to call a feminist— feminist professor, do we have to call a feminist professor? hathteen— to call a feminist professor? kathleen should be allowed kathleen stock should be allowed to tether— kathleen stock should be allowed to tether a— kathleen stock should be allowed to deliver a speech— kathleen stock should be allowed to deliver a speech at oxford untwerstty— to deliver a speech at oxford university urging students to eneaee— university urging students to engage academics views, engage with the academics views, lthey— engage with the academics views, even lthey disagree _ engage with the academics views, even they disagree with even if they disagree with her. how— even if they disagree with her. how-tones— even if they disagree with her. now comes ahead of planned now this comes ahead of planned protests— now this comes ahead of planned protests-activists- protests by trans activists aeatnst— protests by trans activists against stock— protests by trans activists against stock who had to quit her top— against stock who had to quit her top at— against stock who had to quit her top at the— against stock who had to quit herjob at the university against stock who had to quit her job at the university of susse— her job at the university of sussex-being- her job at the university of sussex being targeted at sussex after being targeted at death— sussex after being targeted at heath-over— sussex after being targeted at death -over her- sussex after being targeted at death over her views on death threats over her views on eenter— death threats over her views on eenter ttenttty— death threats over her views on gender identity .— death threats over her views on gender identity . she and her gender identity. she and her wews— gender identity. she and her views on gender— gender identity. she and her views on gender identity don't retest— views on gender identity don't retteet the— views on gender identity don't reflect the views— views on gender identity don't reflect the views views of the naiortty— reflect the views views of the naiortty ot— reflect the views views of the naiortty or us— reflect the views views of the majority of us 52% of the poputatton— majority of us 52% of the population for— majority of us 52% of the population for sure, pretty much . tremen— population for sure, pretty much . women. women. _ population for sure, pretty much . “ “ women. she she . women. women. women. she she matntatns— . women. women. women. she she matntatns toes— . women. women. women. she she maintains, does kathleen— . “ “ women. she she maintains, does kathleen stock. she-s— maintains, does kathleen stock. shes a— maintains, does kathleen stock. she's a moderate— maintains, does kathleen stock. she's a moderate and has and has— she's a moderate and has and has hut— she's a moderate and has and has put has— she's a moderate and has and has, but has the— she's a moderate and has and has, but has the right to upset peopte.— has, but has the right to upset peopte. so— has, but has the right to upset peopte. so were— has, but has the right to upset people. so we're asking this morntne— people. so we're asking this. morntne—stoet morning, should kathleen stock be morning, should kathleen stock he attowet— morning, should kathleen stock be allowed to— morning, should kathleen stock be allowed to speak? so let's

get be allowed to speak? so let's eet the— be allowed to speak? so let's get the thoughts of the sports director at fair play for women, fiona mckenna. good morning, fiona mckenna. good morning, fiona . thank you so much for fiona. thank you so much for joining us today. fiona. thank you so much for joining us today . so what do you joining us today. so what do you make of it? i mean, you know , make of it? i mean, you know, this is about free speech. this issue, so let's just talk about the aspects of free speech and the aspects of free speech and the fact that , you know, the fact that, you know, kathleen was tried shut down, kathleen was tried to shut down, but she is allowed to speak but now she is allowed to speak . this is a good thing for all of us, isn't it? not just not just women . yeah, i think it's just women. yeah, i think it's good and i think it's necessary . the areas of speech that the areas of speech that might . the areas of speech that might be contentious— . the areas of speech that might be contentious are— the areas of speech that might be contentious are exactly the that— be contentious are exactly the that we— be contentious are exactly the ones that we need to allow peopte— ones that we need to allow peopte to— ones that we need to allow peopte to say,— ones that we need to allow people to say, because this is an area of highly— people to say, because this is an area of highly contested pottey— an area of highly contested pottey, tor— an area of highly contested policy, for example. and if women are not— policy, for example. and if women are not allowed to express our concerns and— women are not allowed to express our concerns and our— women are not allowed to express our concerns and our needs, then eotne— our concerns and our needs, then eotne to— our concerns and our needs, then eotne to ent— our concerns and our needs, then we're going to end up with very hat— we're going to end up with very hat pottetes— we're going to end up with very bad policies. and— we're going to end up with very bad policies. and some would say we atreaty— bad policies. and some would say we already have.— bad policies. and some would say we already have. so— bad policies. and some would say we already have. so i think that the more— we already have. so i think that the more contentious an area of speech— the more contentious an area of speech ts— the more contentious an area of speech ts .— the more contentious an area of speech ts , the— the more contentious an area of speech is , the more we have to speech is, the more we have to protest— speech is, the more we have to protest peopte-s— speech is, the more we have to protect people's right to say it. protect people's right to say tt. ant— protect people's right to say it. and that's— protect people's right to say it. and that's what kathleen

stost— it. and that's what kathleen stost has— it. and that's what kathleen stock has said,— it. and that's what kathleen stock has said, too . she is stock has said, too. she is eutte— stock has said, too. she is quite moderate,- stock has said, too. she is quite moderate, actually. you know,— quite moderate, actually. you know, tts— quite moderate, actually. you know, it's not— quite moderate, actually. you know, it's not unreasonable, is it, know, it's not unreasonable, is tt—peopte- know, it's not unreasonable, is tt—peopte san-tl it, to say that people can't shanee— it, to say that people can't shanee sexe— it, to say that people can't change sex? i'd— it, to say that people can't change sex? i'd love to hear the other— change sex? i'd love to hear the other see.— change sex? i'd love to hear the other side. i'm— change sex? i'd love to hear the other side. i'm sure— change sex? i'd love to hear the other side. i'm sure would other side. i'm sure it would ottent— other side. i'm sure it would ottent me— other side. i'm sure it would offend me,-i'd- other side. i'm sure it would offend me, i'd love to hear offend me, but i'd love to hear it. offend me, but i'd love to hear tt. so— offend me, but i'd love to hear tt. so we— offend me, but i'd love to hear tt. so we are— offend me, but i'd love to hear it. so we are expecting protests tonteht— it. so we are expecting protests tonteht at— it. so we are expecting protests tonteht at the— it. so we are expecting protests tonight at the university and hathteen— tonight at the university and kathleen has— tonight at the university and kathleen has spoken at length about— kathleen has spoken at length about how— kathleen has spoken at length about how she's— kathleen has spoken at length about how she's had to hire sesurtty— about how she's had to hire sesurtty . — about how she's had to hire security . it's— about how she's had to hire security . e ii security. it's affected her mental health. how do you think she's feeling about actually giving the speech tonight . giving the speech tonight. i think it's a really tough situation. she's been put in and i'm situation. she's been put in and m tutt— situation. she's been put in and m tutt ot— situation. she's been put in and i'm full of admiration- she's been put in and i'm full of admiration for her, for i'm full of admiration for her, tor the— i'm full of admiration for her, for the courage— i'm full of admiration for her, for the courage she's shown and the ttentty— for the courage she's shown and the dignity she's— for the courage she's shown and the dignity she's shown , um, and the dignity she's shown, um, and astuatty— the dignity she's shown, um, and astuatty teen— the dignity she's shown, um, and actually been a— the dignity she's shown, um, and actually been a bit— the dignity she's shown, um, and actually been a bit shocked at how— actually been a bit shocked at how aggressive— actually been a bit shocked at how aggressive some of the media have— how aggressive some of the media have teen— how aggressive some of the media have been towards— how aggressive some of the media have been towards her because she— have been towards her because she ts— have been towards her because she ts she-s— have been towards her because she is she's speaking for many of she is she's speaking for many ot us— she is she's speaking for many ot you— she is she's speaking for many of us, you know,— she is she's speaking for many of us, you know, a— she is she's speaking for many of us, you know, a few of us get the— of us, you know, a few of us get the opportuntty— of us, you know, a few of us get the opportunity to _ of us, you know, a few of us get the opportunity to express these many,— the opportunity to express these views. many, many people do not hesause— views. many, many people do not hesause they-re — views. many, many people do not because they're afraid they mteht— because they're afraid they mteht tose — because they're afraid they might lose their job. they sertatnty— might lose their job. they certainly-lose- might lose their job. they certainly lose friends certainly may lose friends relationships— certainly may lose friends relationships .— certainly may lose friends relationships . there's a lot of

relationships. there's a lot of anxtety— relationships. there's a lot of anxtety .— relationships. there's a lot of anxtety , trotty— relationships. there's a lot of anxiety , motty and difficulty anxiety, motty and difficulty arount— anxiety, motty and difficulty around discussing women's rights and women's needs. it's a great shame— and women's needs. it's a great shame ant— and women's needs. it's a great shame and shame.— and women's needs. it's a great shame and shame. we thought it was shame and shame. we thought it somethtne— shame and shame. we thought it was something that was settled that— was something that was settled that omen— was something that was settled that women and— was something that was settled that women and girls need sertatn— that women and girls need certain provision in order to be sate— certain provision in order to be safe ,_ certain provision in order to be sate , tn— certain provision in order to be sate , tn otter— certain provision in order to be safe , in order to— certain provision in order to be safe , in order to have safe, in order to have opportunities and it seems like it's opportunities and it seems like tt-s not— opportunities and it seems like it's not acceptable anymore to tatt— it's not acceptable anymore to tatt ahout— it's not acceptable anymore to talk about that. _ it's not acceptable anymore to talk about that. so, kathleen is totne— talk about that. so, kathleen is totne a— talk about that. so, kathleen is totne a sense— talk about that. so, kathleen is doing a service on— talk about that. so, kathleen is doing a service on behalf of many— doing a service on behalf of many ot— doing a service on behalf of many ot us— doing a service on behalf of many of us, including those young— many of us, including those young pimple— many of us, including those young people at_ many of us, including those young people at oxford university, _ young people at oxford university, who want to protest her. — university, who want to protest her. t— university, who want to protest her. t thtnt— university, who want to protest her. i think it's— university, who want to protest her. i think it's a— university, who want to protest her. i think it's a great shame that— her. i think it's a great shame that they— her. i think it's a great shame that they haven't— her. i think it's a great shame that they haven't yet understood that— that they haven't yet understood that . — that they haven't yet understood that . hoses.— that they haven't yet understood that. indeed, i— that they haven't yet understood that. indeed, i think- that they haven't yet understood that . ii “s: ”ti that. indeed, i think we're having trouble with the line there as well. that's fiona mckenna, sports director of fair play for women. thank you so much for joining play for women. thank you so much forjoining us today. much for joining us today. really appreciate it. andythe really appreciate it. and the hume— really appreciate it. and the prime minister— really appreciate it. and the prime minister has waded into thts—wrttten- prime minister has waded into this—written an. this debate. he's written an arttste— this debate. he's written an. article—telegraph article in the daily telegraph totay— article in the daily telegraph totay saytne— article in the daily telegraph today saying academics today saying why academics shoute— today saying why academics shoutt—to- today saying why academics should _to speak| should be allowed to speak universities— should be allowed to speak universities are— should be allowed to speak universities are meant to be hothets— universities are meant to be hotbeds learning and debate hotbeds of learning and debate and hotbeds of learning and debate ant-they— hotbeds of learning and debate. ant-they-he and discourse. they shouldn't be shutttne— and discourse. they shouldn't be shutting—because. shutting people down because they—wtth- shutting people down because they—with what. shutting people down because they with what they they don't agree with what they thtnt— they don't agree with what they thtnt ts— they don't agree with what they thtnt ts the — they don't agree with what they think is the-point- they don't agree with what they think is the point of

think is the whole point of going— think is the whole point of eotne to— think is the whole point of going to university to able think is the whole point of go have» university to able think is the whole point of go have a iniversity to able think is the whole point of go have a debate,/ to able think is the whole point of go have a debate, t0) able think is the whole point of go have a debate, to listen)le think is the whole point of go have a debate, to listen to to have a debate, to listen to other— to have a debate, to listen to other tews— to have a debate, to listen to other views, to _ to have a debate, to listen to other views, to widen your hohom — other views, to widen your horizons. and— other views, to widen your horizons. ' “i other views, to widen your horizons. ““ti ti.titi“ “2 horizons. and in the coming days, prime minister is days, the prime minister is going announce the of going to announce the name of he's professor arif ahmed he's called professor arif ahmed of university. he's he's called professor arif ahmed of to university. he's he's called professor arif ahmed of to be university. he's he's called professor arif ahmed of to be director'sity. he's he's called professor arif ahmed of to be director ofy. he's he's called professor arif ahmed of to be director of freedom going to be director of freedom of going to be director of freedom ot—hsatemts- going to be director of freedom . of_academic freedom. of speech and academic freedom. how— of speech and academic freedom. how appatttne— of speech and academic freedom. how appalling that— of speech and academic freedom. how appalling that he do how appalling that he has to do that.— how appalling that he has to do that. tre— how appalling that he has to do that. we actually— how appalling that he has to do that. we actually someone. that. we actually need someone. i that. we actually need someone. t-neeu— that. we actually need someone. t-neeu thts— that. we actually need someone. i-need this hotbeds- that. we actually need someone. i-need this hotbeds of. i shouldn't need this hotbeds of learning great democracy of ours. right ours. it's just appalling. right in any case, still to come, much more as well. meanwhile, more on this as well. meanwhile, bods is more on this as well. meanwhile, boris is preparing to boris johnson is preparing to launch battle the launch a legal battle with the cabinet office as cabinet office over as a deadune cabinet office over as a deadline approaches to hand over cabinet office over as a deawhatsapp oaches to hand over cabinet office over as a deawhatsapp message hand over cabinet office over as a deawhatsapp message t0ind over cabinet office over as a deawhatsapp message to ad over cabinet office over as a deawhatsapp message to a covid his whatsapp message to a covid inquiry. come on to the inquiry. all to come on to the point on .

it's 10 am. on tuesday, the 30th of may. this is to the point on gb news with andrew pierce and dawn neesom. our main story. oh my. and how eamonn holmes hits out at phillip schofield. and holmes hits out at phillip schofield . and the question is schofield. and the question is for schofield. and the question is tor tv— schofield. and the question is for tv bosses— schofield. and the question is for tv bosses mount- ii and the question is for tv bosses mount up about who thew— for tv bosses mount up about who knew what— for tv bosses mount up about who knew what when— for tv bosses mount up about who knew what when about phillip sshottett-s— knew what when about phillip schofield's affair with a much youneer— schofield's affair with a much younger member— schofield's affair with a much younger member of staff . schofield's affair with a much younger member of staff. eamonn says— younger member of staff. eamonn says there— younger member of staff. eamonn says there was— younger member of staff. eamonn says there a— younger member of staff. eamonn says there was a complete cover up .— says there was a complete cover up . ant— says there was a complete cover up . ant a— says there was a complete cover up . and a whatsapp row involving up. and a whatsapp row involving nons— up. and a whatsapp row involving horts johnson— up. and a whatsapp row involving boris johnson and— up. and a whatsapp row involving boris johnson and whether prwate— boris johnson and whether private messages from the prime trtntster— private messages from the prime trtntster to— private messages from the prime minister to ministers and other attes— minister to ministers and other senior aides during the pandemic shoute— senior aides during the pandemic shoutt he— senior aides during the pandemic should be handed— senior aides during the pandemic should be handed over to that sovth— should be handed over to that sovth puhtts— should be handed over to that covid public inquiry and let her speat. — covid public inquiry and let her speak. academic— covid public inquiry and let her speak. academic kathleen stock eets— speak. academic kathleen stock eets the— speak. academic kathleen stock gets the backing— speak. academic kathleen stock gets the backing of the prime thntsten— gets the backing of the prime minister. she's— gets the backing of the prime minister. she's speaking tonight

in minister. she's speaking tonight tn extort.— minister. she's speaking tonight in oxford. protests are expected hesause— in oxford. protests are expected hesause ot— in oxford. protests are expected because of her— in oxford. protests are expected because of her views on trans rtehts— because of her views on trans rtehts ant— because of her views on trans rights and the— because of her views on trans rights and the and the hospitality— rights and the and the hospitality industry is calling for hospitality industry is calling tor more— hospitality industry is calling for more government support. ther— for more government support. thetr enerey— for more government support. their energy bills— for more government support. their energy bills have- for more government support. their energy bills have soared 81, with less than a third of businesses optimist about the future. we know a lot of them closed down dawn during the pandemic. doing my bit. yeah, certainly . i but pandemic. doing my bit. yeah, certainly. i but this is all about— certainly. i but this is all about what— certainly. i but this is all about what you- i but this is all about what you think. certainly. i but this is all- about what you think. so let us know— about what you think. so let us know what— about what you think. so let us know what you — about what you think. so let us know what you think on all of our talking points today. email us at gb views at cbnnews.com. but first, here's your morning news with aaron armstrong. i spent a. penny good morning. it's spent a. penny good morning. tt-s toes.— spent a. penny good morning. tt-s rooz. rm— spent a. penny good morning. it's 1002. i'm aaron— good morning. it's 1002. i'm aaron armstrong . it's 1002. i'm aaron armstrong. tet-s— it's 1002. i'm aaron armstrong. tet-s eet— it's 1002. i'm aaron armstrong. tet-s eet you— it's 1002. i'm aaron armstrong. tet-s eet you up— it's 1002. i'm aaron armstrong. let's get you up to— it's 1002. i'm aaron armstrong. let's get you up to date with the— let's get you up to date with the headlines— let's get you up to date with the headlines from the newsroom tamom— the headlines from the newsroom eamonn holmes— the headlines from the newsroom eamonn holmes has described his tormer— eamonn holmes has described his former colleague— eamonn holmes has described his former colleague phillip schofield, _ former colleague phillip schofield, as— former colleague phillip schofield, as a chief narcissist,- schofield, as a chief narcissist, accusing him of sreattne— narcissist, accusing him of sreattne a— narcissist, accusing him of creating a toxic— narcissist, accusing him of creating a toxic culture at ttv-s— creating a toxic culture at ttv-s thts— creating a toxic culture at itv's this morning, schofield restenet— itv's this morning, schofield resigned from _ itv's this morning, schofield resigned from the broadcaster ant— resigned from the broadcaster

ant was— resigned from the broadcaster and was dropped by his agency atten— and was dropped by his agency after admitting— and was dropped by his agency after admitting to an affair wtth— after admitting to an affair wtth a— after admitting to an affair wtth a youne— after admitting to an affair with a young male colleague on the proeramme— with a young male colleague on the programme. in— with a young male colleague on the programme. in a gb news esusttwe— the programme. in a gb news exclusive former— the programme. in a gb news exclusive former this morning host— exclusive former this morning host tamom— exclusive former this morning host eamonn holmes says he hettewes— host eamonn holmes says he believes executive four fs knew about— believes executive four fs knew about ant— believes executive four fs knew about and covered— believes executive four fs knew about and covered up the affair to protest— about and covered up the affair to protect phillip— about and covered up the affair to protect phillip and holly. hotty— to protect phillip and holly. holly willoughby as well as the hrant. — holly willoughby as well as the brand. eamonn— holly willoughby as well as the brand. eamonn also told us these rewetattons— brand. eamonn also told us these revelations have— brand. eamonn also told us these revelations have given other tormer— revelations have given other tonne thts— revelations have given other former this morning contributors the confidence— former this morning contributors the confidence to— former this morning contributors the confidence to come forward . the confidence to come forward. someone— the confidence to come forward. someone sent— the confidence to come forward. someone sent me— the confidence to come forward. someone sent me this— the confidence to come forward. someone sent me this message last night . hello, someone sent me this message last night. hello, eamonn. i hope you and ruth are well. just wanted to tell you that the whole l. phillip schofield scandal has actually given many x this morning staff the courage to finally speak out . i left to finally speak out. i left this morning with a payout, and i had to sign a non—disclosure agreement meant to cover up the bullying and power abuse . in bullying and power abuse. in a statement earlier, itv confirmed it did investigate rumours of a relationship between schofield and a fellow employee and confirmed that both parties

categorically and repeatedly denied the rumours as did schofield's agent at the time . schofield's agent at the time. ministers could be locked in a heat— ministers could be locked in a teeat hatte— ministers could be locked in a legal battle with— ministers could be locked in a legal battle with the covid 19 tneutry— legal battle with the covid 19 tneutry oer— legal battle with the covid 19 inquiry over the— legal battle with the covid 19 inquiry over the release of unredacted— inquiry over the release of unredacted documents belonging to ports— unredacted documents belonging to boris johnson.— unredacted documents belonging to boris johnson. the cabinet onse— to boris johnson. the cabinet office, which _ to boris johnson. the cabinet office, which has— to boris johnson. the cabinet office, which has until 4:00 totay— office, which has until 4:00 totay to— office, which has until 4:00 today to respond , argues it's today to respond, argues it's not— today to respond, argues it's not obligated— today to respond, argues it's not obligated to— today to respond, argues it's not obligated to disclose what it not obligated to disclose what tt satts— not obligated to disclose what it calls unambiguously irrelevant— it calls unambiguously irrelevant material . will the irrelevant material. will the tneutry— irrelevant material. will the tneutry shatt— irrelevant material. will the inquiry chair baroness hallett ttsaerees— inquiry chair baroness hallett disagrees and— inquiry chair baroness hallett disagrees and has accused mtntsters— disagrees and has accused mtntsters ot— disagrees and has accused ministers of misunderstanding the hreatth— ministers of misunderstanding the breadth of— ministers of misunderstanding the breadth of the investigation . tar— the breadth of the investigation . tar toot— the breadth of the investigation . far food inflation has slowed ever so slightly. _ . far food inflation has slowed ever so slightly. in may, after ayear— ever so slightly. in may, after a year ot— ever so slightly. in may, after a year of record— ever so slightly. in may, after a year of record rises, but oweratt— a year of record rises, but overall inflation in shops did use— overall inflation in shops did to— overall inflation in shops did to an— overall inflation in shops did rise to an all— overall inflation in shops did rise to an all time high. the rate— rise to an all time high. the rate tert— rise to an all time high. the rate fell slightly— rise to an all time high. the rate fell slightly to 15.4% in the— rate fell slightly to 15.4% in the year— rate fell slightly to 15.4% in the year to— rate fell slightly to 15.4% in the year to may.— rate fell slightly to 15.4% in the year to may. that's compared wtth— the year to may. that's compared wtth rests— the year to may. that's compared wtth rests tn— the year to may. that's compared with 15.7% in april. _ the year to may. that's compared with 15.7% in april. that's assorttne— with 15.7% in april. that's according to _ with 15.7% in april. that's according to the british retail consorttum.— according to the british retail consortium. prices for fresh toot— consortium. prices for fresh toot the— consortium. prices for fresh food like fruit— consortium. prices for fresh food like fruit and milk have

tatten— food like fruit and milk have fallen marginally. that's tareety— fallen marginally. that's largely driven by lower energy sosts — largely driven by lower energy costs. however,— largely driven by lower energy costs. however, the price of room temperature items like sottee— room temperature items like sottee ant— room temperature items like coffee and chocolate has jumped . ant— coffee and chocolate has jumped . ant tt— coffee and chocolate has jumped . and it means— coffee and chocolate has jumped . and it means groceries that sost— . and it means groceries that sost sho— . and it means groceries that sost £20 a— . and it means groceries that cost £20 a year— . and it means groceries that cost £20 a year ago now cost 23. treanwhtte— cost £20 a year ago now cost 23. meanwhile hospitality businesses are meanwhile hospitality businesses asttne— meanwhile hospitality businesses asttne the— meanwhile hospitality businesses are asking the government for support— are asking the government for suppon to— are asking the government for more support to help deal with rtstne— more support to help deal with rtstne sosts— more support to help deal with rising costs. pubs,— more support to help deal with rising costs. pubs, bars and resauranstt— rising costs. pubs, bars and restaurants say— rising costs. pubs, bars and restaurants say their average httts— restaurants say their average httts have— restaurants say their average bills have increased by 81. over soy.— bills have increased by 81. over soy. ot— bills have increased by 81. over 80% of establishments say they are 80% of establishments say they hetne— 80% of establishments say they are being pushed— 80% of establishments say they are being pushed to breaking potnt— are being pushed to breaking potnt .— are being pushed to breaking potnt . the— are being pushed to breaking point . the prime are being pushed to breaking point. the prime minister are being pushed to breaking point . the prime minister says point. the prime minister says the tentntst— point. the prime minister says the feminist professor kathleen stost— the feminist professor kathleen stost shoutt— the feminist professor kathleen stock should be— the feminist professor kathleen stock should be allowed to tether— stock should be allowed to tether a— stock should be allowed to deliver a speech at oxford untwerstty. — deliver a speech at oxford university. rishi sunak says the tehate— university. rishi sunak says the tehate ts— university. rishi sunak says the tehate ts a— university. rishi sunak says the debate is a hallmark of a toterant— debate is a hallmark of a tolerant society . motty however, tolerant society. motty however, the university's— tolerant society. motty however, the university's lgbtq+ society says— the university's lgbtq+ society says tts— the university's lgbtq+ society says it's standing— the university's lgbtq+ society says it's standing up for trans rtehts— says it's standing up for trans rtehts .— says it's standing up for trans rights . professor— says it's standing up for trans rights . professor stock quit her rights. professor stock quit her job rights. professor stock quit her top at— rights. professor stock quit her top at the— rights. professor stock quit her job at the university of sussex atten— job at the university of sussex atter hetne — job at the university of sussex after being targeted by activists _ after being targeted by activists over- after being targeted by activists over her views on eenter— activists over her views on gender identity.- activists over her views on gender identity. in a 2021 book,

she— gender identity. in a 2021 book, she questioned— gender identity. in a 2021 book, she questioned the idea that eenter— she questioned the idea that gender identity— she questioned the idea that gender identity is more significant— gender identity is more significant than biological sex, at teast— significant than biological sex, at teast one— significant than biological sex, at least one person has been three— at least one person has been ttttet tn— at least one person has been killed in kyiv_ at least one person has been killed in kyiv after russia attastet— killed in kyiv after russia attacked the _ killed in kyiv after russia attacked the city for the third ttme — attacked the city for the third ttme tn— attacked the city for the third ttme tn ze— attacked the city for the third time in 24 hours— attacked the city for the third time in 24 hours. attacked the city for the third time in 24 hours . a ukrainian time in 24 hours. a ukrainian authortttes— time in 24 hours. a ukrainian authorities say— time in 24 hours. a ukrainian authorities say more than 20 stones— authorities say more than 20 drones were intercepted by its air drones were intercepted by its an tetenses— drones were intercepted by its air defences, although several huttttnes— air defences, although several buildings were— air defences, although several buildings were damaged . the buildings were damaged. the tatest— buildings were damaged. the latest strike— buildings were damaged. the latest strike is— buildings were damaged. the latest strike is moscow's 17th attast— latest strike is moscow's 17th attast on— latest strike is moscow's 17th attack on the— latest strike is moscow's 17th attack on the ukrainian capital thts— attack on the ukrainian capital thts month— attack on the ukrainian capital thts month .— attack on the ukrainian capital this month . meanwhile, russia's this month. meanwhile, russia's assuset— this month. meanwhile, russia's accused ukraine— this month. meanwhile, russia's accused ukraine of— this month. meanwhile, russia's accused ukraine of launching a tenant— accused ukraine of launching a terrorist strike— accused ukraine of launching a terrorist strike on— accused ukraine of launching a terrorist strike on moscow this morntne. — terrorist strike on moscow this morntne. the— terrorist strike on moscow this morning. the kremlin claims atone— morning. the kremlin claims drone attacks— morning. the kremlin claims drone attacks caused minor tamaee— drone attacks caused minor tamaee to— drone attacks caused minor damage to several buildings. tussta-s— damage to several buildings. russia's defence— damage to several buildings. russia's defence ministry says all russia's defence ministry says at eteht— russia's defence ministry says all eight drones— russia's defence ministry says all eight drones launched were tnterseptet— all eight drones launched were tnterseptet .— all eight drones launched were intercepted . the— all eight drones launched were intercepted . the royal college intercepted. the royal college of psychiatrists— intercepted. the royal college of psychiatrists says there is not— of psychiatrists says there is not enoueh— of psychiatrists says there is not enough time— of psychiatrists says there is not enough time to establish a system— not enough time to establish a system to— not enough time to establish a new system to protect vulnerable peopte— new system to protect vulnerable peopte .— new system to protect vulnerable peopte . tt— new system to protect vulnerable peopte . tt omes— new system to protect vulnerable people . it comes after the met

people. it comes after the met rouse— people. it comes after the met rottse say— people. it comes after the met police say they'll— people. it comes after the met police say they'll no longer attent— police say they'll no longer attend mental— police say they'll no longer attend mental health incidents trom— attend mental health incidents from september— attend mental health incidents from september unless there is a threat— from september unless there is a threat to— from september unless there is a threat to the— from september unless there is a threat to ttte .— from september unless there is a threat to life . the— from september unless there is a threat to life . the move is threat to life. the move is testenet— threat to life. the move is testenet to— threat to life. the move is designed to free up officers to spent— designed to free up officers to spent more— designed to free up officers to spend more time— designed to free up officers to spend more time on their core roest — spend more time on their core roest hut— spend more time on their core roles. but postnatal depression sunwor— roles. but postnatal depression suntwor wan— roles. but postnatal depression survivor ivan opoku says those strueettne— survivor ivan opoku says those strueettne wtth— survivor ivan opoku says those struggling with mental health prohtems— struggling with mental health problems won't— struggling with mental health problems won't have anyone to turn— problems won't have anyone to turn to— problems won't have anyone to turn to . — problems won't have anyone to turn to . when— problems won't have anyone to turn to . when you're- problems won't have anyone to turn to . �*ifht“ti“ ”ti ”craig turn to. when you're really struggling . you don't have often struggling. you don't have often the time to think who should i call or what should i do ? and call or what should i do? and the number 999 is somehow it's engraved in our brains and when we call the police , we have the we call the police, we have the reason for that . and sometimes reason for that. and sometimes you don't even know when the situation is severe that , you situation is severe that, you know, it's a life threatening some. sometimes it's just hard to say . and the government's to say. and the government's promtstne— to say. and the government's promtstne to— to say. and the government's promising to crack— and the government's promising to crack down on waptne— promising to crack down on vaping campaigns targeting shtttren— vaping campaigns targeting children. ministers say they'll stose— children. ministers say they'll stose a— children. ministers say they'll close a loophole— children. ministers say they'll close a loophole which allows retahers— close a loophole which allows retatters to— close a loophole which allows retailers to give _ close a loophole which allows retailers to give free samples of retailers to give free samples ot apes— retailers to give free samples ot apes to— retailers to give free samples of apes to children in england. the— of apes to children in england.

the rrtme— of apes to children in england. the prime minister says martettne— the prime minister says marketing aimed at young people is unacceptable— marketing aimed at young people is unacceptable .— marketing aimed at young people is unacceptable . the government is unacceptable. the government wtt— is unacceptable. the government wttt arso— is unacceptable. the government will also review— is unacceptable. the government will also review banning retatters— will also review banning retailers selling nicotine free wapes— retailers selling nicotine free wapes to— retailers selling nicotine free vapes to children younger than 18. vapes to children younger than rs. thts— vapes to children younger than rs. thts ts— vapes to children younger than rs. thts ts sh— vapes to children younger than 18. this is gb news. we'll bring you— 18. this is gb news. we'll bring you more— 18. this is gb news. we'll bring you as tt— 18. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. but now it you more as it happens. but now tt ts— you more as it happens. but now tt ts hast— you more as it happens. but now tt ts past to— you more as it happens. but now it is back to andrew— you more as it happens. but now it is back to andrew and dawn . it is back to andrew and dawn. soot— it is back to andrew and dawn. soot morntne— it is back to andrew and dawn. good morning and— it is back to andrew and dawn. good morning and welcome back rteht— good morning and welcome back rteht to— good morning and welcome back rteht to our— good morning and welcome back rteht to top— good morning and welcome back right to our top story, eamonn hotnes— right to our top story, eamonn hotmes has— right to our top story, eamonn holmes has claimed there was a totat— holmes has claimed there was a totat soe— holmes has claimed there was a totat up— holmes has claimed there was a total cover up of— holmes has claimed there was a total cover up of phillip schofield's— total cover up of phillip schofield's affair with a youneer— schofield's affair with a youneer man- schofield's affair with a younger man in an exclusive tnterwew— younger man in an exclusive interview with— younger man in an exclusive interview with gb news. « interview with gb news. itv, of course, has denied— interview with gb news. itv, of course, has denied the allegations, saying they investigated when rumours of that relationship first surfaced. but both parties categorically and repeatedly denied them in a sit down chat with our very own dan wootton. eamonn also called out what he saw as a culture— eamonn also called out what he saw as a culture of— eamonn also called out what he saw as a culture of toxicity at thts— saw as a culture of toxicity at thts morntne— saw as a culture of toxicity at this morning in— saw as a culture of toxicity at this morning in life, i have

atways— this morning in life, i have atways hat— this morning in life, i have always had odd, this belief that always had odd, this belief that a he— always had odd, this belief that a lie unchallenged becomes the truth. — a lie unchallenged becomes the truth. so— a lie unchallenged becomes the truth. so although— a lie unchallenged becomes the truth. so although i- a lie unchallenged becomes the truth. so although i don't want to stand up to schofield constantly pointing out where he's lying, i feel i have to. is he's lying, i feel i have to. is he delusion or is he imagined? the or is he so detached from real life at this morning that he didn't realise what was going on? i often say this to ruth. i said maybe he believes all this stuff. maybe he did not see what went on, actually, because there's something wrong with him. but he is the chief narcissist. he is a complete and utter dyed in the wool narcissist. everything is about him. what did you know about this young man ? because he was this young man? because he was there— this young man? because he was there a— this young man? because he was there a tot.— this young man? because he was there a lot. he's— this young man? because he was there a lot. he's been— “ti itit“7 because he was there a lot. he's been pictured on the— there a lot. he's been pictured on the sota— there a lot. he's been pictured on the sofa as— there a lot. he's been pictured on the sofa as a— there a lot. he's been pictured on the sofa as a very young teenaeer— on the sofa as a very young teenager sitting— on the sofa as a very young teenager sitting in between hotty— teenager sitting in between holly willoughby and phillip sshottett— holly willoughby and phillip sshottett .— holly willoughby and phillip schofield . and— holly willoughby and phillip schofield . and then i remember schofield. and then i remember worttne— schofield. and then i remember worttne at— schofield. and then i remember worttne at ttv— schofield. and then i remember working at itv daytime and he

was a non—negotiable part of rhhtp-s— was a non—negotiable part of rhtttp-s the.— was a non—negotiable part of philip's life. sometimes there woutt— philip's life. sometimes there woutt even— philip's life. sometimes there would even be— philip's life. sometimes there would even be taxis ferrying thts— would even be taxis ferrying thts youne— would even be taxis ferrying this young man— would even be taxis ferrying this young man between the stutto— this young man between the stutto ant— this young man between the studio and philip's house. so what— studio and philip's house. so what ht— studio and philip's house. so what are you— studio and philip's house. so what did you know about him hetore— what did you know about him hetore he— what did you know about him before he was— what did you know about him before he was moved on to loose vvomene— before he was moved on to loose vvomene t— before he was moved on to loose women? i didn't— before he was moved on to loose women? i didn't know, but i've suhseeuentty— women? i didn't know, but i've subsequently found out from a very,— subsequently found out from a very, very— subsequently found out from a very, very eoot— subsequently found out from a very, very good source because he woutt— very, very good source because he would arrive— very, very good source because he would arrive much earlier in the morntne— he would arrive much earlier in the morning than— he would arrive much earlier in the morning than i would for the proeramme— the morning than i would for the proeramme that— the morning than i would for the programme that he was delivered trom— programme that he was delivered trom rhtttp-s— programme that he was delivered from philip's london home. usuatty— from philip's london home. usuatty on— from philip's london home. usuatty on a— from philip's london home. usually on a friday- from philip's london home. usually on a friday morning, because thursday was playtime when he and philip would hit the town and then he obviously stayed overnight and there are records to show that he was brought in the next day separately in cars paid for by itv, cars paid for by itv. so the management « ce“; i « so the management would « ce“; initti « so the management would have had itv, cars paid for by itv. so- the management would have had to have— the management would have had to have known— the management would have had to have known about— the management would have had to have known about that, wouldn't they,— have known about that, wouldn't they, urests— have known about that, wouldn't they, unless philip— have known about that, wouldn't they, unless philip the they, unless philip paid the tht— they, unless philip paid the bill separately. c i bill separately. but it would still go through the still have to go through the accounts that they would still have to go through the accot seen that they would still have to go through the accot seen that that they would still have to go through the accotseen that and they would still have to go through the accot seen that and known'ould still have to go through the accot seen that and known that have seen that and known that it's a total cover up. those in authority had to know. they had

to know what was going on and they thought they would dodge a bullet with this, which they which and they do which they do. and they do constantly because with schofield those schofield talking about those who speak out against him, mainly me, amanda holden and you , you'll be included in the toxicity that goes on to arrange toxicity that goes on to arrange to dr. ranj of course, as well . to dr. ranj of course, as well. i think philip is absolutely right about toxicity, but my friend , the toxicity is not with friend, the toxicity is not with me , dan wootton or anyone else . me, dan wootton or anyone else. the toxicity is with you and your mates in management and everybody who kept you in power and in abusive power for so long. and if i'm guilty of anything, it's speaking up for all those researchers who you ignored, all those producers who you treated like dirt, all those people who are texting and phoning me and dan wootton and saying, we feel now empowered to come out and tell the public the truth, because the truth is the pubuc truth, because the truth is the public can't handle the truth the public don't want. they think a little broom

think you're a little broom cupboard person. and they grew up and you're lovely up with you and you're lovely and adorable and and you're adorable and whatever, let your fame whatever, but you let your fame and power corrupt you and and your power corrupt you and that's where we're at today. and if i'm guilty of anything, it's guilty of exposing you . strong guilty of exposing you. strong stuff indeed. right. an itv spokesman— stuff indeed. right. an itv spokesman has— stuff indeed. right. an itv spokesman has said- ii right. an itv spokesman has said further to our statement— spokesman has said further to our statement on— spokesman has said further to our statement on saturday, itv sonttrm — our statement on saturday, itv can confirm that— our statement on saturday, itv can confirm that when rumours of a retattonshtp— can confirm that when rumours of a relationship between phillip sshottett— a relationship between phillip schofield and— a relationship between phillip schofield and an employee of itv ttst— schofield and an employee of itv ttrst heean— schofield and an employee of itv ttrst heean to— schofield and an employee of itv first began to circulate in earty— first began to circulate in earty 2020,— first began to circulate in early 2020, itv investigated hotn— early 2020, itv investigated hoth parttes— early 2020, itv investigated both parties were questioned and hotn— both parties were questioned and hoth sateeorts— both parties were questioned and both categoric and— both parties were questioned and both categoric and repeatedly tenet— both categoric and repeatedly tentet the— both categoric and repeatedly denied the rumours , as did denied the rumours, as did rhtttp-s— denied the rumours, as did philip's then _ denied the rumours, as did philip's then agency ymu. in attttton— philip's then agency ymu. in attttton .— philip's then agency ymu. in addition , that— philip's then agency ymu. in addition , that itv spoke to addition, that itv spoke to a numhe— addition, that itv spoke to a numhe ot— addition, that itv spoke to a number of people who worked on this number of people who worked on thts morntne— number of people who worked on this morning and— number of people who worked on this morning and were not provttet— this morning and were not provided with— this morning and were not provided with and did not find any evttense— provided with and did not find any evidence of— provided with and did not find any evidence of a— provided with and did not find any evidence of a relationship heyont— any evidence of a relationship beyond hearsay— any evidence of a relationship beyond hearsay and rumour. rhhtp-s— beyond hearsay and rumour. philip's statement on friday eveast— philip's statement on friday reveals that— philip's statement on friday reveals that he _ philip's statement on friday reveals that he lied to people at ttv— reveals that he lied to people at ttv trom — reveals that he lied to people at itv from senior management to tettow— at itv from senior management to fellow presenters— at itv from senior management to fellow presenters to _ at itv from senior management to fellow presenters to ymu to the

metha— fellow presenters to ymu to the metta ant— fellow presenters to ymu to the metta ant to— fellow presenters to ymu to the media and to others over this retattonshtp— media and to others over this retattonshtp .— media and to others over this relationship . all— media and to others over this relationship . all right. okay relationship. all right. okay vett— relationship. all right. okay well, interesting stuff, isn't it? well, interesting stuff, isn't he thts— well, interesting stuff, isn't he thts story— well, interesting stuff, isn't it? this story is— well, interesting stuff, isn't it? this story is not going to go it? this story is not going to eo away— it? this story is not going to eo away no— it? this story is not going to go away no matter how much, but totntne— go away no matter how much, but totntne us— go away no matter how much, but totntne us now— go away no matter how much, but totntne us to— go away no matter how much, but joining us now to talk more about— joining us now to talk more about tt— joining us now to talk more about tt ts— joining us now to talk more about it is charlotte griffiths ,iournattst— about it is charlotte griffiths , journalist at— about it is charlotte griffiths , journalist at the mail. on suntay.— , journalist at the mail. on suntay. the— , journalist at the mail. on sunday. the mail newspapers are the ones— sunday. the mail newspapers are the that— sunday. the mail newspapers are the ones that have— sunday. the mail newspapers are the ones that have had this estusve— the ones that have had this exclusive pretty— the ones that have had this exclusive pretty much from day one, been investigating it? yes. on— one, been investigating it? yes. on, yes.— one, been investigating it? yes. oh, yes. she— one, been investigating it? yes. oh, yes. she worked there. hon-t— oh, yes. she worked there. hon-t you? t— oh, yes. she worked there. don't you? i was- oh, yes. she worked there. hit“ c tit7 i was ignoring that don't you? i was ignoring that hast.— don't you? i was ignoring that tast. t— don't you? i was ignoring that tast. t to— don't you? i was ignoring that fact. i do whatever.— jti“ c tit7 i was ignoring that fact. i do whatever. charlotte. shartotte— fact. i do whatever. charlotte. charlotte do— fact. i do whatever. charlotte. charlotte do you— fact. i do whatever. charlotte. charlotte do you want to do you want— charlotte do you want to do you want to — charlotte do you want to do you want to interview— charlotte do you want to do you want to interview your sotteaeue— want to interview your colleague, charlotte? want to interview your- colleague, charlotte? charlotte . how— colleague, charlotte? charlotte . how much longer do you think charlotte is? the itv position sustainable? that they knew nothing . they conducted inquiry nothing. they conducted inquiry . nobody seemed to know anything about it . when we've already about it. when we've already heard from this young man who none of the newspapers have named, that never talked named, that he was never talked to ever by itv about his relationship with phillip schofield yeah, i think it is unsustainable because one of the and bombshells i thought was this thursday night playtime after which the boy would be

delivered on friday morning. now, if there was any pretence us now, if there was any pretence us ant— now, if there was any pretence us ant t— now, if there was any pretence us and i think— now, if there was any pretence us and i think there was a bit of us and i think there was a bit or pretense— us and i think there was a bit of pretence that— us and i think there was a bit of pretence that this was a mentorshtp— of pretence that this was a mentorship and- of pretence that this was a mentorship and that's why phil was so unusually— mentorship and that's why phil was so unusually close with this parttsutar— was so unusually close with this particular runner— was so unusually close with this particular runner ,_ was so unusually close with this particular runner , yet didn't particular runner, yet didn't know— particular runner, yet didn't know the— particular runner, yet didn't know the names of any of the other— know the names of any of the other runners— know the names of any of the other runners or— know the names of any of the other runners or the researchers whtsh— other runners or the researchers whtshlwhat— other runners or the researchers which .what-said.- other runners or the researchers which what said. but which is what eamonn said. but if which is what eamonn said. but h there— which is what eamonn said. but h there was— which is what eamonn said. but if there was any— which is what eamonn said. but if there was any pretence that then— if there was any pretence that their closeness— if there was any pretence that their closeness was some kind of mentorshtp— their closeness was some kind of mentorship,-what- their closeness was some kind of mentorship, what of mentorship, well, what kind of mento— mentorship, well, what kind of mentor delivers— mentorship, well, what kind of mentor delivers a— mentorship, well, what kind of mentor delivers a young man? on trttay— mentor delivers a young man? on trttay morntne— mentor delivers a young man? on friday morning to— mentor delivers a young man? on friday morning to the studio, presumahty— friday morning to the studio, presumably having been out all men— presumably having been out all ntehtltate— presumably having been out all ntehtltate at— presumably having been out all night late at night partying? night or late at night partying? it's night or late at night partying? tt-s not— night or late at night partying? tt-s not very— night or late at night partying? it's not very good. it's not very— it's not very good. it's not very esot— it's not very good. it's not very good work- it's not very good. it's not very good work ethic , is .it? so very good work ethic, is .it? so i very good work ethic, is .it? so t thtnt— very good work ethic, is .it? so t thtnt that— very good work ethic, is .it? so i think that was,— very good work ethic, is .it? so i think that was, for me, the most— i think that was, for me, the most sort— i think that was, for me, the most sort ot— i think that was, for me, the most sort of thing that sort of reatty— most sort of thing that sort of really highlighted how this was way more— really highlighted how this was way than— really highlighted how this was way more than just a mentorship . ant— way more than just a mentorship . ant yeah— way more than just a mentorship . ant yeah ttv— way more than just a mentorship . and yeah, itv are— way more than just a mentorship . and yeah, itv are going to have— . and yeah, itv are going to have to— . and yeah, itv are going to have to answer— . and yeah, itv are going to have to answer some questions . have to answer some questions. do you— have to answer some questions. do you thtnt— have to answer some questions. do you think heads— have to answer some questions. do you think heads will- have to answer some questions. do you think heads will roll- do you think heads will roll over this one? the higher ups are going to have to , as we are going to have to, as we refer to earlier on to a certain extent, what happened with the news of the world scandal shut down, gone. so you do you think that heads will roll over this

one? ido that heads will roll over this one? i do think heads will roll. i one? i do think heads will roll. t to— one? i do think heads will roll. t to thtnt— one? i do think heads will roll. i do think heads— 7 i do think heads will roll. i do think heads will roll because, you— i do think heads will roll because, you know, this idea that— because, you know, this idea that they— because, you know, this idea that they they— because, you know, this idea that they they need to come up wtth— that they they need to come up wtth exastty— that they they need to come up with exactly when— that they they need to come up with exactly when this young man was with exactly when this young man euesttoneh— with exactly when this young man was questioned, how often and there— was questioned, how often and there a— was questioned, how often and was there a record— was questioned, how often and was there a record of it? and if there— was there a record of it? and if there wasnt— was there a record of it? and if there wasn't, then— was there a record of it? and if there wasn't, then heads are going— there wasn't, then heads are eotne—rott- there wasn't, then heads are going—roll. whati going to have to roll. what about— going to have to roll. what about the— going to have to roll. what about the other— going to have to roll. what about the other issues for itv? we about the other issues for itv? he know— about the other issues for itv? he know the— about the other issues for itv? we know the sponsor- about the other issues for itv? we know the sponsor for- about the other issues for itv? we know the sponsor for this morning is not renewing the contract . are other advertisers contract. are other advertisers beginning to peel away . yeah, beginning to peel away. yeah, i'd be very surprised- beginning to peel away. yeah, i'd be very surprised if- d “ti yeah, i'd be very surprised if there werent— i'd be very surprised if there weren't a few— i'd be very surprised if there weren't a few more announcements as thts— weren't a few more announcements as thts eoes— weren't a few more announcements as thts eoes on— weren't a few more announcements as this goes on. they— weren't a few more announcements as this goes on. they might astuatty— as this goes on. they might astuatty sort— as this goes on. they might actually sort of— as this goes on. they might actually sort of get rid of a tew— actually sort of get rid of a tew peopte— actually sort of get rid of a tew peopte at— actually sort of get rid of a few people at the top in order to tha— few people at the top in order to hnt ot— few people at the top in order to hnt ot eet— few people at the top in order to kind of get ahead of that. ant— to kind of get ahead of that. ant show— to kind of get ahead of that. and show that— to kind of get ahead of that. and show that they are actually totne— and show that they are actually doing something— and show that they are actually doing something because they san-t— doing something because they san-t ahort— doing something because they can't afford to— doing something because they can't afford to lose too many more advertisers.— can't afford to lose too many more advertisers. batus i think thts— more advertisers. batus i think thts wht— more advertisers. batus i think this will-week- more advertisers. batus i think this will week where this will be the week where i thtnt— this will be the week where i thtnt the— this will be the week where i think the share— this will be the week where i think the share price has atreaty— think the share price has already dropped a little bit. i thtnt— already dropped a little bit. i thtnt thts— already dropped a little bit. i think this will— already dropped a little bit. i think this will be the week where— think this will be the week where we— think this will be the week where we see— think this will be the week where we see either advertisers start— where we see either advertisers stan saytne— where we see either advertisers start saying they're not renewtne— start saying they're noti renene— start saying they're not- renewing_, it's in renewing their contract, it's in then— renewing their contract, it's in then-or— renewing their contract, it's in then-or wee- renewing their contract, it's in their or we're going to their droves or we're going to

see some heads— their droves or we're going to see some heads roll or maybe a somhtnatton— see some heads roll or maybe a combination of— see some heads roll or maybe a combination of the— see some heads roll or maybe a combination of the of the two. hut— combination of the of the two. hut t— combination of the of the two. hut t thtnt— combination of the of the two. but i think this— combination of the of the two. but i think this is— combination of the of the two. but i think this is the crucial week— but i think this is the crucial weet ant— but i think this is the crucial week and this— but i think this is the crucial week and this is— but i think this is the crucial week and this is where it's all going— week and this is where it's all eotne to— week and this is where it's all eotne to ttst— week and this is where it's all going to kick off— week and this is where it's all going to kick off the bank hotttay— going to kick off the bank hotttay ts— going to kick off the bank holiday is over— going to kick off the bank holiday is over and action needs to he— holiday is over and action needs to he taten. — holiday is over and action needs to be taken. and— holiday is over and action needs to be taken. ' i �*7 ti is to be taken. and final quick question. holly to question. holly is meant to be back believe. do back on monday, i believe. do you think she'll come back? yes, i think i think no decision wht— yes, i think i think no decision wttt he— yes, i think i think no decision will be made.— yes, i think i think no decision will be made. i— yes, i think i think no decision will be made. i think it'll be rteht— will be made. i think it'll be rteht up— will be made. i think it'll be rteht up to— will be made. i think it'll be rteht up to the— will be made. i think it'll be right up to the wire. i think they— right up to the wire. i think they wht— right up to the wire. i think they will probably keep talking about— they will probably keep talking about h.— they will probably keep talking about h. t— they will probably keep talking about it. i mean,— they will probably keep talking about it. i mean, literally till suntay.— about it. i mean, literally till suntay. h— about it. i mean, literally till sunday. if nothing happens hetore— sunday. if nothing happens before then— sunday. if nothing happens before then .— sunday. if nothing happens before then . but she's before then. but she's absolutely— before then. but she's absolutely determined to come hast.— absolutely determined to come hast. she-s— absolutely determined to come back. she's she's— absolutely determined to come back. she's she's saying , back. she's she's saying, ttsten— back. she's she's saying, ttsten t— back. she's she's saying, listen, i had— back. she's she's saying, listen, i had nothing to do with thts.— listen, i had nothing to do with thts. see— listen, i had nothing to do with thts. see you— listen, i had nothing to do with this. see you on— listen, i had nothing to do with this. see you on monday. but i thtnt— this. see you on monday. but i thtnt tt-tt— this. see you on monday. but i think it'll be— this. see you on monday. but i think it'll be a— this. see you on monday. but i think it'll be a minute by mtnute— think it'll be a minute by minute. you— think it'll be a minute by minute. you know, think minute. you know, i think they-re— minute. you know, i think they're-white. minute. you know, i think- they're-white knuckle they're going to white knuckle it. they're going to white knuckle h. —t— they're going to white knuckle h. —t keep- they're going to white knuckle it. i keep thinking. it. that's what i keep thinking. they-re— it. that's what i keep thinking. they-re-to— it. that's what i keep thinking. they're-to white- it. that's what i keep thinking. they're to white knuckle they're going to white knuckle thts— they're going to white knuckle thts the— they're going to white knuckle this like lroller_ they're going to white knuckle this like roller coaster all this like a roller coaster all the— this like a roller coaster all the-to— this like a roller coaster all the-to the— this like a roller coaster all the-to the end- this like a roller coaster all the to the end of the week. the way to the end of the week. ant— the way to the end of the week. ant then — the way to the end of the week. and then l decision _ the way to the end of the week. and then decision will made and then a decision will be made and and then a decision will be made ant-happens— and then a decision will be made ant-happens on- and then a decision will be made and happens on monday. and whatever happens on monday. so and whatever happens on monday. so h— and whatever happens on monday. so h hotty-s— and whatever happens on monday. so if holly's not— and whatever happens on monday. so if holly's not there on hontay—thei so if holly's not there on- monday,_the future monday, then i think the future of monday, then i think the future ot—somptetety- of the show is completely in euestton— of the show is completely in question-see- of the show is completely in question-see what. of the show is completely in. question-see what they question. let's see what they can do. instead. charlotte is turn over to gb news and watch us. yes, scoop breakers. toasty.— us. yes, scoop breakers.

exactly. exactly. great to talk to you. that's charlotte griffiths, my colleague from the mail on sunday. now, we've been talking about boris johnson. he's never far away the he's never far away from the front is he? it's the front pages, is he? it's the dynamic front pages, is he? it's the tynamts tuo— front pages, is he? it's the dynamic duo this- g “ti7 it's the dynamic duo this morning, isn't it? dynamic duo this morning, isn't tte vouve— dynamic duo this morning, isn't it? you've either— dynamic duo this morning, isn't it? you've either got boris johnson— it? you've either got boris johnson phillips schofield. johnson or phillips schofield. vett— johnson or phillips schofield. well, - potential - johnson or phillips schofield. well,-potential legall well, there's a potential legal showdown with the pandemic inquiry . it's showdown with the pandemic inquiry. it's running for inquiry. it's been running for some anyway. but the some weeks anyway. but the pubuc some weeks anyway. but the public public evidence sessions start in the next few weeks and that lady hallett, who is chairing this inquiry, she wants all of boris johnson's whatsapps and diaries in this pandemic. conversations with ministers to be over the cabinet be handed over the cabinet office, not boris is saying no. yeah and this is this is all the whatsapps— yeah and this is this is all the whatsapps between him and sunak and whatsapps between him and sunak ant hansost— whatsapps between him and sunak and hancock and— whatsapps between him and sunak and hancock and probably his mother— and hancock and probably his mother tn— and hancock and probably his mother in law.— and hancock and probably his mother in law. yeah, yeah. tveryhoty. — mother in law. yeah, yeah. tveryhoty. t— mother in law. yeah, yeah. everybody. i mean , would you everybody. i mean, would you hant— everybody. i mean, would you hant your— everybody. i mean, would you hand your phone— everybody. i mean, would you hand your phone over? htit ' i hand your phone over? no. and you absolutely no that some of these messages , they're going to these messages, they're going to be read in the cold light of day in a public inquiry thing. oh, my god. how could he have been so tactless? it would be gallows humour jokes made in the press

humourjokes made in the press cooker of number 10. yeah, we wouldn't. i wouldn't want all my whatsapps to be ventilated. no, i wouldn't want yours. no, i wouldn't want yours. read out in i wouldn't want yours. read out tn puhtts— i wouldn't want yours. read out in public either.— i wouldn't want yours. read out in public either. seen some in public either. i've seen some of in public either. i've seen some ot-vou— in public either. i've seen some of-you promised- in public either. i've seen some of-you promised not. in public either. i've seen some of-you promised not to| of yours. you promised not to mention that one. it was a gallows humour. - mention that one. it was a gallows humour. exactly. now ministers have got until 4:00 today provide this material. today to provide this material. or there could be a legal challenge to the ruling. our political editor, darren mccaffrey westminster for mccaffrey is in westminster for more. on. is more. darren, morning on. is your still that the your hunch still that the cabinet office are not going to blink ? yeah, that certainly blink? yeah, that certainly to— blink? yeah, that certainly seems to be _ blink? yeah, that certainly seems to be the- “s7 yeah, that certainly seems to be the suggestion so far seems to be the suggestion so tar thts— seems to be the suggestion so far this morning,— seems to be the suggestion so far this morning, andrew. as you sata— far this morning, andrew. as you an, we— far this morning, andrew. as you an, we have— far this morning, andrew. as you said, we have ended up in this rather— said, we have ended up in this rather extraordinary situation where— rather extraordinary situation where the — rather extraordinary situation where the an— rather extraordinary situation where the an inquiry, the eovernment— where the an inquiry, the government itself has set up, led government itself has set up, tet hy— government itself has set up, led by baroness— government itself has set up, led by baroness hallett, as you say— led by baroness hallett, as you say .— led by baroness hallett, as you say , ant— led by baroness hallett, as you say , ant are— led by baroness hallett, as you say , and are now— led by baroness hallett, as you say , and are now at odds more say, and are now at odds more than— say, and are now at odds more than at— say, and are now at odds more than at oats— say, and are now at odds more than at odds potentially in a teeat— than at odds potentially in a legal wrangling— than at odds potentially in a legal wrangling with the government— legal wrangling with the government itself. baroness hattett— government itself. baroness hattett ts— government itself. baroness hallett is making the case that it hallett is making the case that h ts— hallett is making the case that h ts up— hallett is making the case that h ts up to— hallett is making the case that h ts up to her— hallett is making the case that it is up to her per— hallett is making the case that it is up to her per an inquiry team.— it is up to her per an inquiry team. rte-ve— it is up to her per an inquiry team. we've got— it is up to her per an inquiry team. we've got a pretty wide ssope— team. we've got a pretty wide ssope toothe— team. we've got a pretty wide scope looking at— team. we've got a pretty wide scope looking at the pandemic , scope looking at the pandemic, toothe— scope looking at the pandemic, toohne at— scope looking at the pandemic, looking at those— scope looking at the pandemic, looking at those decisions arount— looking at those decisions around lockdowns, looking at the seasons— around lockdowns, looking at the decisions around— around lockdowns, looking at the decisions around some of the

restrtsttons— decisions around some of the restrictions that— decisions around some of the restrictions that are imposed to aesthe— restrictions that are imposed to testte tn— restrictions that are imposed to testte tn the— restrictions that are imposed to decide in the end— restrictions that are imposed to decide in the end what they thtnt— decide in the end what they thtnt ts— decide in the end what they think is relevant to the inquiry or—they- think is relevant to the inquiry or—they want| or not. that's why they want access to all— or not. that's why they want access to all these whatsapp messages—whichl messages as you say, which tnstutes— messages as you say, which includes messages to dozens of sheet— includes messages to dozens of different ministers— different ministers and officials— different ministers and officials and- different ministers and officials and diary entries as wet— officials and diary entries as wett .— officials and diary entries as wett , att— officials and diary entries as wett , att to— officials and diary entries as well , all to decide whether it's well, all to decide whether it's pettnent— well, all to decide whether it's perttnent to— well, all to decide whether it's pertinent to the— well, all to decide whether it's pertinent to the public inquiry. stearty— pertinent to the public inquiry. stearty h— pertinent to the public inquiry. stearty h they— pertinent to the public inquiry. clearly if they decide to move it clearly if they decide to move h ts— clearly if they decide to move h ts h— clearly if they decide to move it is it would _ clearly if they decide to move it is it would get— clearly if they decide to move it is it would get into the puhtts— it is it would get into the public domain. now, the cabinet orttse— public domain. now, the cabinet orttse t— public domain. now, the cabinet office i think— public domain. now, the cabinet office i think it— public domain. now, the cabinet office i think it is— public domain. now, the cabinet office i think it is their season— office i think it is their decision to— office i think it is their decision to make whether they thtnt— decision to make whether they thtnt h— decision to make whether they thtnt h ts— decision to make whether they think it is relevant or not to the— think it is relevant or not to the tneutry. — think it is relevant or not to the inquiry. that's where they-re— the inquiry. that's wherei they're-moment. the inquiry. that's where- they're-moment. also, they're at at the moment. also, mtntsters— they're at at the moment. also, ministers behind— they're at at the moment. also, ministers behind scenes are ministers behind the scenes are pretty— ministers behind the scenes are pretty wary— ministers behind the scenes are pretty wary ahout— ministers behind the scenes are pretty wary about setting a presetent— pretty wary about setting a precedent here _ pretty wary about setting a precedent here where messages that— precedent here where messages that wee— precedent here where messages that not— precedent here where messages that were not meant for public vtewtne— that were not meant for public vtewtne south— that were not meant for public viewing could potentially end up an tneutry— viewing could potentially end up an tneutry years— viewing could potentially end up an inquiry years down the line. that— an inquiry years down the line. what tmpast— an inquiry years down the line. what impact that— an inquiry years down the line. what impact that might have on the functioning— what impact that might have on the functioning of— what impact that might have on the functioning of government . the functioning of government. all the functioning of government. att tn— the functioning of government. att tn ah,— the functioning of government. all in all, though,— the functioning of government. all in all, though, boris johnson-s— all in all, though, boris johnson's actually standing back trom— johnson's actually standing back trom thts— johnson's actually standing back from this, saying— johnson's actually standing back from this, saying it is up to the— from this, saying it is up to the cabinet— from this, saying it is up to the cabinet office to on the cabinet office to decide on thts—thoueh- the cabinet office to decide on this—though he- the cabinet office to decide on this though he has, this very point, though he has, of this very point, though he has, ot-shaneet— this very point, though he has, of-changed his- this very point, though he has, of changed his legal of course, changed his legal team— of course, changed his legal teamlthe— of course, changed his legal team .the .couple - of course, changed his legal team the couple of team in the last couple of west— team in the last couple of weeks, particularly in the wake of weeks, particularly in the wake ot-sahtnet— weeks, particularly in the wake of-cabinet-itself, - of the cabinet office itself, repontne— of the cabinet office itself, repontne-ot- of the cabinet office itself, reporting of diary reporting some of his diary entrtes—

reporting some of his diary entrtes to— reporting some of his diary entries to two _ reporting some of his diary entries to two different police reporting some of his diary entriesaround different police reporting some of his diary entriesaround allegationsilice reporting some of his diary entriesaround allegations of e forces around allegations of sove— forces around allegations ofi sovth—tn covid breaking, gathering in howntne— covid breaking, gathering in downing street— covid breaking, gathering in downing street and in chequers . downing street and in chequers. as tor— downing street and in chequers. as tor the— downing street and in chequers. as for the opposition, they're statmtne— as for the opposition, they're statmtne yet— as for the opposition, they're claiming yet again this is a sten— claiming yet again this is a sten-htsht— claiming yet again this is a sign rishi sunak is too sign that rishi sunak is too weat— sign that rishi sunak is too weak to— sign that rishi sunak is too weak to ast— sign that rishi sunak is too weak to act. that he's beholden to ports— weak to act. that he's beholden to boris johnson.— weak to act. that he's beholden to boris johnson. supporters to boris johnson. his supporters , ant— to boris johnson. his supporters , ant that-s— to boris johnson. his supporters , and that's-he's- to boris johnson. his supporters , and that's he's refusing , and that's why he's refusing to hand— , and that's why he's refusing to hand things— , and that's why he's refusing to hand things the to hand things over. the teatttne— to hand things over. the deadline today. to hand things over. the- deadline-today. after deadline is 4:00 today. after nap,— deadline is 4:00 today. after that, as— deadline is 4:00 today. after that, as t— deadline is 4:00 today. after pea, as t say,— deadline is 4:00 today. after that, as i say, things could be heathe— that, as i say, things could be heattne tor— that, as i say, things could be heading for the— that, as i say, things could be heading for the courts. acas hteht. — heading for the courts. acas hteht. that-s— heading for the courts. acas right. that's darren mccaffrey, political at westminster political editor at westminster . fascinating, isn't it? it is tasstnattne— . fascinating, isn't it? it is tasstnattne .— fascinating, isn't it? it is fascinating . and as i said, it's fascinating. and as i said, it's the— fascinating. and as i said, it's the wee— fascinating. and as i said, it's the whtte t— fascinating. and as i said, it's like while i think— fascinating. and as i said, it's like while i think everybody out there,— like while i think everybody out there, weve— like while i think everybody out there, we've all— like while i think everybody out there, we've all we all went throueh— there, we've all we all went throueh so— there, we've all we all went through so much— there, we've all we all went through so much horrible stuff wtth— through so much horrible stuff wtth the— through so much horrible stuff with the pandemic and the way the government— with the pandemic and the way the government behaved. there are-tots— the government behaved. there are-tots ot— the government behaved. there are lots of questions are lots and lots of questions to-vve— are lots and lots of questions to-we obviously- are lots and lots of questions to we obviously need an to answer. we obviously need an tnvestteate— to answer. we obviously need an tnvestteate an— to answer. we obviously need an investigate an obviously need investigate an we obviously need -peopte- investigate an we obviously need answers. people lost answers. lots of people lost tovet— answers. lots of people lost hover-hut— answers. lots of people lost loved-but as- answers. lots of people lost loved -but as you - answers. lots of people lost loved but as you say, loved ones, but as you say, antrew— loved ones, but as you say, andrew, this— loved ones, but as you say, andrew, this is— loved ones, but as you say, andrew, this is going to take years— andrew, this is going to take years hs— andrew, this is going to take years h-s eotne— andrew, this is going to take years. it's going to cost a lot of years. it's going to cost a lot ot money— years. it's going to cost a lot or money ant— years. it's going to cost a lot of money and that we're getting town— of money and that we're getting town thts— of money and that we're getting down this rabbit— of money and that we're getting down this rabbit hole of arguing ahout— down this rabbit hole of arguing ahout whatsapp— down this rabbit hole of arguing about whatsapp messages even hetore— about whatsapp messages even hetore h— about whatsapp messages even before it started— about whatsapp messages even before it started proper. �*7 before it started proper. if you the.— before it started proper. if you the. heat.— before it started proper. if you like. yeah, even— before it started proper. if you like. yeah, even before they started giving evidence in public. yeah. well, let's get some more from the mp some more analysis from the mp for is,

for wokingham, who is, of course, the conservative sir john redwood. sirjohn, good morning. good john redwood. sirjohn, good morning . good morning. john redwood. sirjohn, good morning. good morning. is john redwood. sirjohn, good morning . good morning. is it who morning. good morning. is it who decides, frankly , is it the decides, frankly, is it the chairperson of the inquiry? baroness hallett or is it up to the cabinet office ? what is the cabinet office? what is handed over ? well, i think it handed over? well, i think it has— handed over? well, i think it has to— handed over? well, i think it has to he— handed over? well, i think it has to he an— ii 7 well, i think it has to be an agreement. the puhtts— has to be an agreement. the puhtts wht— has to be an agreement. the public will want— has to be an agreement. the public will want reassuring that the tneutry— public will want reassuring that the tneutry san— public will want reassuring that the inquiry can have all retevant— the inquiry can have all relevant information and the sahtnet— relevant information and the cabinet office _ relevant information and the cabinet office and the ministers and cabinet office and the ministers ant senor— cabinet office and the ministers and senior officials involved wht— and senior officials involved will obviously— and senior officials involved will obviously want to make sure that— will obviously want to make sure that seats— will obviously want to make sure that details of— will obviously want to make sure that details of their private thes— that details of their private ttves or— that details of their private lives or comments that aren't reatty— lives or comments that aren't really relevant— lives or comments that aren't really relevant to _ lives or comments that aren't really relevant to the inquiry are protected— really relevant to the inquiry are protected from wider public hesause— are protected from wider public view. because one— are protected from wider public view. because one of the prohtems— view. because one of the problems with- view. because one of the problems with the whatsapp eeneratton— problems with the whatsapp generation is— problems with the whatsapp generation is that they seem to hur— generation is that they seem to htur prhate— generation is that they seem to blur private observations , bits blur private observations, bits of blur private observations, bits ot then— blur private observations, bits of their private _ blur private observations, bits of their private life and their puhtts— of their private life and their public duties.— of their private life and their public duties. and so there may wett— public duties. and so there may wett he— public duties. and so there may wett he thtnes— public duties. and so there may well be things on— public duties. and so there may well be things on the whatsapp shant— well be things on the whatsapp strant that— well be things on the whatsapp strand that are— well be things on the whatsapp strand that are relevant to the tneutry,— strand that are relevant to the inquiry/v hut— strand that are relevant to the inquiry, but there— strand that are relevant to the inquiry, but there would also be thtnes— inquiry, but there would also be thtnes that— inquiry, but there would also be things that people wouldn't normatty— things that people wouldn't. normally—more normally want to publish more wttety— normally want to publish more wttety .— normally want to publish more wttety . so— normally want to publish more wttety . so t— normally want to publish more widely . so i think there is a widely. so i think there is a son— widely. so i think there is a sort ot— widely. so i think there is a sort of sloppiness in the way

that— sort of sloppiness in the way that-thtnes— sort of sloppiness in the way that-things were- sort of sloppiness in the way that things were handled . that some things were handled. vvhat— that some things were handled. what t— that some things were handled. what t hope— that some things were handled. what t hope h— that some things were handled. what i hope it doesn't detract trom— what i hope it doesn't detract trom ts— what i hope it doesn't detract trom ts the— what i hope it doesn't detract from is the really— what i hope it doesn't detract from is the really serious purposes— from is the really serious purposes ot— from is the really serious purposes of this inquiry , which purposes of this inquiry, which shoutt— purposes of this inquiry, which shoutt he— purposes of this inquiry, which shoutt he to— purposes of this inquiry, which should be to explore how prepares— should be to explore how preparet was— should be to explore how prepared was the nhs for this tht— prepared was the nhs for this hnt ot— prepared was the nhs for this kind of thing?— prepared was the nhs for this kind of thing? could you be property— kind of thing? could you be property tor— kind of thing? could you be properly for prepared it? did they— properly for prepared it? did they respont— properly for prepared it? did they respond quickly when they what— they respond quickly when they what was— they respond quickly when they saw what was happening? how good was saw what was happening? how good the— saw what was happening? how good the seens— saw what was happening? how good was the science ?_ saw what was happening? how good was the science ? how much was the science? how much thershy— was the science? how much ttverstty ot— was the science? how much diversity of thought was there in diversity of thought was there tn the — diversity of thought was there in the science— diversity of thought was there in the science ?_ diversity of thought was there in the science ? did ministers in the science? did ministers have— in the science? did ministers have the— in the science? did ministers have the right— in the science? did ministers have the right information somtne— have the right information somtne to— have the right information coming to them to make those very— coming to them to make those very thttsutt— coming to them to make those very difficult decisions and i thtnt— very difficult decisions and i thtnt h— very difficult decisions and i think it will— very difficult decisions and i think it will be— very difficult decisions and i think it will be very interesting- think it will be very interesting to see the details of interesting to see the details ot the— interesting to see the details of the battle— interesting to see the details of the battle that was clearly going— of the battle that was clearly eotne on— of the battle that was clearly eotne on wtth— of the battle that was clearly going on with some ministers setousty— going on with some ministers seriously worried, going on with some ministers seriously worded, as i was from the outshe— seriously worded, as i was from the outside about— seriously worded, as i was from the outside about the economic tamaee— the outside about the economic tamaee ant— the outside about the economic damage and querying whether you meet— damage and querying whether you neetet sush— damage and querying whether you needed such an— damage and querying whether you needed such an intense and long, tone— needed such an intense and long, tone tosttown— needed such an intense and long, tone tosttown .— needed such an intense and long, long lockdown . and those who long lockdown. and those who on the— long lockdown. and those who were on the house side of the areument— were on the house side of the areument who— were on the house side of the argument who wanted to take the satety— argument who wanted to take the satety ttrst— argument who wanted to take the safety first approach come what may— safety first approach come what may .— safety first approach come what may , ant— safety first approach come what may , and thought it was just may, and thought it was just better— may, and thought it was just hetter to— may, and thought it was just better to lock— may, and thought it was just better to lock down everybody for better to lock down everybody tor-tone— better to lock down everybody for. long i possible - better to lock down everybody for long possible . for as long as possible. i'm etat— for as long as possible. i'm etat you— for as long as possible. i'm glad you mentioned the length of the lockdown, sir john, glad you mentioned the length of the lockdown, sirjohn, because the lockdown, sir john, because as boris johnson, as you will

recall criticised labour recall, was criticised by labour for not closing down the economy quicker. and i thought it was actually rather noble of a conservative prime minister to resist shutting down the economy because he knew the huge damage it do to homes, schools it would do to homes, schools and businesses. we're still and businesses. and we're still picking up the for it today picking up the bill for it today . well, indeed. and i think that is . well, indeed. and i think that ts one— . well, indeed. and i think that ts ot— . well, indeed. and i think that ts ot the— well, indeed. and i think that is one of the serious issues we want— is one of the serious issues we want to— is one of the serious issues we want to know— is one of the serious issues we want to know about. obviously, everyhoty— want to know about. obviously, everyhoty wtth— want to know about. obviously, everybody with loved ones who het— everybody with loved ones who ttet ant— everybody with loved ones who ttet ant eot— everybody with loved ones who died and got seriously ill will want— died and got seriously ill will want to— died and got seriously ill will want to know— died and got seriously ill will want to know that everything possthte — want to know that everything possthte was— want to know that everything possible was have possible was done to have protestet— possible was done to have protected them _ possible was done to have protected them and help them and to treat— protected them and help them and to treat them— protected them and help them and to treat them .— protected them and help them and to treat them . there's of to treat them. there's a lot of ahout— to treat them. there's a lot of issues about where the right mettstnes— issues about where the right medicines, which were already avahahte— medicines, which were already available-us— medicines, which were already available us quickly available got to us quickly enoueh— available got to us quickly enoueh ant— available got to us quickly enough and what kind of medical optntons— enough and what kind of medical optntons-tn— enough and what kind of medical opinions-in-all- enough and what kind of medical opinions-in-all that. opinions came in about all that . hut— opinions came in about all that . hut we— opinions came in about all that . but we certainly— opinions came in about all that . but we certainly need to test the— . but we certainly need to test the hypothests— . but we certainly need to test the hypothesis that if we'd tottowet — the hypothesis that if we'd tottowet .— the hypothesis that if we'd followed , say,— the hypothesis that if we'd followed , say, the swedish followed, say, the swedish approash— followed, say, the swedish approash ot— followed, say, the swedish approash ot a— followed, say, the swedish approach of a bit less lockdown, tess— approach of a bit less lockdown, less severe , would— approach of a bit less lockdown, less severe , would it have been less severe, would it have been trom the— less severe, would it have been worse from the health point of vtew— worse from the health point of or mteht— worse from the health point of view, or might it— worse from the health point of view, or might it have been otaye — view, or might it have been otaye rust— view, or might it have been okay? just one— view, or might it have been okay? �*7 ti is okay? just one final quick question for you. do you think there is another fair way of

having the inquiry without releasing all the whatsapp messages ? well i think there messages? well i think there should be an agreement point which is satisfied to those conducted the inquiry. as i said at the beginning,— conducted the inquiry. as i said at the beginning, i— conducted the inquiry. as i said at the beginning, i think- iiii “ti. ”g as i said at the beginning, i think what they— at the beginning, i think what they shoutt— at the beginning, i think what they should want is to have access to all— they should want is to have access to all relevant information- access to all relevant information and exchanges that throw— information and exchanges that throw ttent— information and exchanges that throw tteht on— information and exchanges that throw light on why we locked town— throw light on why we locked town ant — throw light on why we locked down and what— throw light on why we locked down and what we did about eetttne— down and what we did about getting medicines and how eutstty— getting medicines and how eutstty we— getting medicines and how quickly we got— getting medicines and how quickly we got a vaccine . but quickly we got a vaccine. but they— quickly we got a vaccine. but they shouldn't— quickly we got a vaccine. but they shouldn't want to allow puhttsatton— they shouldn't want to allow publication of— they shouldn't want to allow publication of details of peopte-s— publication of details of people's private lives or ohhant— people's private lives or offhand remarks under pressure , offhand remarks under pressure, whtsh— offhand remarks under pressure, whtsh are— offhand remarks under pressure, whtsh too— offhand remarks under pressure, which are too exciting. but whtsh— which are too exciting. but whtsh tust— which are too exciting. but which just happened. when you're worhne— which just happened. when you're worhne att— which just happened. when you're working all the— which just happened. when you're working all the hours god made and working all the hours god made ant youe— working all the hours god made ant you-e up— working all the hours god made and you're up against something you ton-t— and you're up against something you ton-t property— and you're up against something you don't properly understand, i thtnt— you don't properly understand, i thtnt thee— you don't properly understand, i think there needs— you don't properly understand, i think there needs to be some hatanse— think there needs to be some hatanse. hut— think there needs to be some balance, but that— think there needs to be some balance, but that surely is what you— balance, but that surely is what you have— balance, but that surely is what you have somebody leading an tneutry— you have somebody leading an tneutry to— you have somebody leading an tneutry to to.— you have somebody leading an inquiry to do. they need to show that— inquiry to do. they need to show that that— inquiry to do. they need to show that that that— inquiry to do. they need to show that that that skill— inquiry to do. they need to show that that that skill and the cathet— that that that skill and the cabinet office _ that that that skill and the cabinet office have got to assept— cabinet office have got to assept they— cabinet office have got to accept they have a right to see accept they have a right to see a tot— accept they have a right to see a tot ot— accept they have a right to see a lot of material,— accept they have a right to see a lot of material, but there shoutt— a lot of material, but there shoutt he— a lot of material, but there should be some- a lot of material, but there should be some of agreement

should be some kind of agreement whtsh— should be some kind of agreement over which material— should be some kind of agreement over which material is relevant to-publication_ over which material is relevant to-publication . - to their publication. brilliant.— to their publication. brilliant. thank- to their publication. brilliant. thank you very much . brilliant. thank you very much. that's john redwood , mp joining that's john redwood, mp joining us from wokingham this morning. thank you very much. right. still to come, could we see a cap on food prices? our economics and business editor liam halligan will join us in the studio . this is to the point the studio. this is to the point on gb news britain's news

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channel for its 1028 year to channel for- its 1028 year to the channel for— its 1028 year to the point shannet tor— its 1028 year to the point on shannet tor— its1028 year to the point on gb wews— its1028 year to the point on gb hews wtth— its1028 year to the point on gb news with andrew— its 1028 year to the point on gb news with andrew pierce and dawn heesom — news with andrew pierce and dawn heesom hrs-ve— news with andrew pierce and dawn neesom. we've all— news with andrew pierce and dawn neesom. �*hivthi “ neesom. we've all been tightening our belts recently. prices, mortgages, all rising and this month's food inflation may be easing, but it's still alarmingly high. so what was the government solution to ask retailers to put a cap on food pdces? retailers to put a cap on food prices? a voluntary cap. hold on. right. and despite- i7 ' tiitit hold on. right. and despite interest rates— on. right. and despite interest rates rtstne.— on. right. and despite interest rates rising, new— on. right. and despite interest rates rising, new research shows many— rates rising, new research shows many nteh— rates rising, new research shows many high street— rates rising, new research shows many high street banks are not passtne— many high street banks are not passtne on— many high street banks are not passtne on the— many high street banks are not passing on the returns to their savers. that's— passing on the returns to their savers. that's the— passing on the returns to their savers. that's the thing, isn't it? savers. that's the thing, isn't he vvhh— savers. that's the thing, isn't it? with some— savers. that's the thing, isn't it? with some customers being shortshaneet— it? with some customers being shortchanged_ofi shortchanged by hundreds of pounts— shortchanged by hundreds of pounts as— shortchanged by hundreds of pounds as our— shortchanged by hundreds of pounds as our in house economics een.— pounds as our in house economics gurus hes— pounds as our in house economics gurus he-s our— pounds as our in house economics guru, he's our business and economics editor- guru, he's our business and economics editor liam halligan is economics editor liam halligan ts here— economics editor liam halligan ts here wtth— economics editor liam halligan is here with us— economics editor liam halligan is here with us now . ii is here with us now. good norntne— is here with us now. good morning, liam. liam price caps the prime minister. keep your nose out . isn't that the point ? nose out. isn't that the point? it's taking us back to the days of it's taking us back to the days ot thwart— it's taking us back to the days of edward heath— it's taking us back to the days of edward heath andrew gwynne vvhen— of edward heath andrew gwynne when you— of edward heath andrew gwynne when you ant— of edward heath andrew gwynne when you ant t— of edward heath andrew gwynne when you and i were brushing our teeth— when you and i were brushing our teeth hy— when you and i were brushing our teeth by candlelight because of the hesause— teeth by candlelight because of the because of— teeth by candlelight because of the because of the three day heet— the because of the three day week spam — the because of the three day week spam fritters. do you renemeeh— week spam fritters. do you remember? we— week spam fritters. do you remember? we were and i ohvtousty— remember? we were and i obviously didn't brush my teeth ever or eat spam _ obviously didn't brush my teeth ever or eat spam fritters, even thoueh— ever or eat spam fritters, even thoueh t— ever or eat spam fritters, even thoueh t was— ever or eat spam fritters, even though i was very— ever or eat spam fritters, even though i was very much alive. anu— though i was very much alive.

ant hut— though i was very much alive. and but thank— though i was very much alive. and but thank you _ though i was very much alive. and but thank you for- though i was very much alive. and but thank you for the- and but thank you for the compliment. but but back then it was compulsory, wasn't it? this compliment. but but back then it ws'voluntary, ory, wasn't it? this compliment. but but back then it ws'voluntary, isn'tvasn't it? this compliment. but but back then it ws'voluntary, isn't it? it it? this compliment. but but back then it ws'voluntary, isn't it? it is this is voluntary, isn't it? it is voluntary. before- is voluntary, isn't it? it is voluntary. before we- c 7 it is voluntary. before we get on to the— voluntary. before we get on to the sap.— voluntary. before we get on to the sap. tet-s— voluntary. before we get on to the cap, let's- have - voluntary. before we get on to the cap, let's have a look the cap, let's just have a look at the— the cap, let's just have a look at the inflation— the cap, let's just have a look at the inflation numbers that are at the inflation numbers that trhtne— at the inflation numbers that are driving this. _ at the inflation numbers that are driving this. the telegraph repohet— are driving this. the telegraph reported weekend that reported over the weekend that the—thtnhne- reported over the weekend that. the—thinking about the government's thinking about not imposing not imposing, sueeesttne— not imposing not imposing,| sueeesttne—sap. not imposing not imposing,- sueeesttne—sap. t-m suggesting a food price cap. i'm not sure— suggesting a food price cap. i'm not surelwht— suggesting a food price cap. i'm not sure .will work,— suggesting a food price cap. i'm not sure will work, but let's not sure it will work, but let's have— not sure it will work, but let's have a— not sure it will work, but let's have a toot— not sure it will work, but let's have a look at— not sure it will work, but let's have a look at the— not sure it will work, but let's have a look at the numbers now. rve— have a look at the numbers now. the-a— have a look at the numbers now. t-ve-a eraphts— have a look at the numbers now. i've-a graphic-last- i've got a graphic here. last heet— i've got a graphic here. last week—that- i've got a graphic here. last week—that on. i've got a graphic here. last. week—that on ons , week we learned that on ons, these— week we learned that on ons, these are— week we learned that on ons, these are official— week we learned that on ons, these are official office for hattonat— these are official office for. national-measures, national statistics measures, toot— national statistics measures, toot prtse— national statistics measures, food price inflation. in march tse.— food price inflation. in march the. ant— food price inflation. in march was 19.2, and then it came down maretnatty— was 19.2, and then it came down maretnatty tn— was19.2, and then it came down marginally in april— was 19.2, and then it came down marginally in april to 19.1. these— marginally in april to 19.1. these are— marginally in april to 19.1. these are official numbers. then on top— these are official numbers. then on top ot— these are official numbers. then on top oh that— these are official numbers. then on top or that .— these are official numbers. then on top of that , dawn and andrew, on top of that, dawn and andrew, you-ve— on top of that, dawn and andrew, youve eot— on top of that, dawn and andrew, youve eot the— on top of that, dawn and andrew, you've got the brc_ on top of that, dawn and andrew, you've got the brc ,_ on top of that, dawn and andrew, you've got the brc , the british you've got the brc, the british hetah— you've got the brc, the british retail consortium . that's like retail consortium. that's like an independent— retail consortium. that's like an independent survey measure , an independent survey measure, very.— an independent survey measure, very. very— an independent survey measure, veryv very highly— an independent survey measure, very, very highly regarded that-s— very, very highly regarded that's showing food price tnttatton— that's showing food price inflation at— that's showing food price inflation at april's slightly towe— inflation at april's slightly tovve tse.— inflation at april's slightly lower, 15.7. and this morning, tts— lower, 15.7. and this morning, she sat— lower, 15.7. and this morning, brc said their— lower, 15.7. and this morning, brc said their numbers come out hetore— brc said their numbers come out hetore the— brc said their numbers come out before the official— brc said their numbers come out before the official numbers that in before the official numbers that tn hay.— before the official numbers that tn hay. toot— before the official numbers that in may, food price— before the official numbers that in may, food price inflation is the.— in may, food price inflation is the. so— in may, food price inflation is 15.4. so hardly— in may, food price inflation is 15.4. so hardly light at the end of 15.4. so hardly light at the end ot the— 15.4. so hardly light at the end of the tunnel. _ 15.4. so hardly light at the end of the tunnel. but— 15.4. so hardly light at the end of the tunnel. but at least it to— of the tunnel. but at least it to he— of the tunnel. but at least it seems to be going in the right

thestton— seems to be going in the right direction. and— seems to be going in the right direction. and this is the pothtsat— direction. and this is the political environment. this is the— political environment. this is the retry— political environment. this is the reality that— political environment. this is the reality that downing street is the reality that downing street ts heattne— the reality that downing street is dealing with,— the reality that downing street is dealing with, and it's introducing— is dealing with, and it's introducing ideas . but is this introducing ideas. but is this the rteht— introducing ideas. but is this the right idea— introducing ideas. but is this the right idea to— introducing ideas. but is this the right idea to ask supermarkets to put a cap on sertatn— supermarkets to put a cap on sehatn eoots— supermarkets to put a cap on certain goods ?_ supermarkets to put a cap on certain goods ? i— supermarkets to put a cap on certain goods ? i don't think it certain goods? i don't think it is. certain goods? i don't think it ts. t— certain goods? i don't think it ts. t ton-t— certain goods? i don't think it is. i don't think— certain goods? i don't think it is. i don't think it's going to wet — is. i don't think it's going to work. there's— is. i don't think it's going to work. there's a— is. i don't think it's going to work. there's a scheme that's stmhar— work. there's a scheme that's stmttar tn— work. there's a scheme that's similar in france. _ work. there's a scheme that's similar in france. france is a mush— similar in france. france is a much more statist economy than us. much more statist economy than hs— much more statist economy than h-s many— much more statist economy than h-s many ot— much more statist economy than us. it's many of the— much more statist economy than us. it's many of the big supermarkets- us. it's many of the big supermarkets in france aren't atopttne— supermarkets in france aren't atopttne h.— supermarkets in france aren't atopttne h. tt— supermarkets in france aren't adopting it. it seems to be a bit adopting it. it seems to be a htt the— adopting it. it seems to be a htt the the— adopting it. it seems to be a bit like the government trying to say— bit like the government trying to say hs— bit like the government trying to say h-s not— bit like the government trying to say it's not us— bit like the government trying to say it's not us gov, it's the toot— to say it's not us gov, it's the toot retatt— to say it's not us gov, it's the food retail without actually reatty— food retail without actually reatty eetttne— food retail without actually really getting in the face of the— really getting in the face of the toot— really getting in the face of the food retailers and saying in puhtts— the food retailers and saying in puhtts. why— the food retailers and saying in puhtts. why are— the food retailers and saying in public, why are food prices stht— public, why are food prices stttt so— public, why are food prices still so high— public, why are food prices still so high when across the worth— still so high when across the worth toot— still so high when across the world food prices have been tatttnee— world food prices have been tatttnee — world food prices have been falling? they— world food prices have been falling? they had- world food prices have been falling? “tig i world food prices have been falling? i c falling? they had that summit number 10, didn't they , with number 10, didn't they, with food retailers or supermarkets? what came of it ? farm to fork food retailers or supermarkets? what came of it? farm to fork or somethtne— what came of it? farm to fork or somethtne or— what came of it? farm to fork or something or other— what came of it? farm to fork or something or other ? - vomit. i 7 farm to fork or something or other ? “titi: ”ti something or other? yes, you're rteht. — something or other? yes, you're right. there were two summits and they seem to get slightly tougher or slightly less cuddly . so there was the farm to fork

summit a couple of weeks ago, which was basically let's get a few celebrity chefs in to pose on the steps of downing street, because that's going to help you when trying to make when you're trying to buy, make your weekly make ends meet when your weekly make ends meet when you go into your local supermarket. when they supermarket. and then when they well, i don't know. but the day before the inflation numbers came out last week, the headline of which was this still massive food price inflation, which i just just referred to, 19.1. there was a hastily convened meeting in the treasury, not number 10. the treasury . that's number 10. the treasury. that's right. with jeremy hunt and some of the big food retailers and the treasury, let it be known, ringing up people like me saying, oh, the cma were there as well. the competition and markets authority, just to make it little bit more adult it sound a little bit more adult , but the form of words that came out, the communique from the treasury, readout again, the treasury, the readout again, it soft focussed, it was very soft focussed, it was very cuddly. it it was very soft focussed, it was very cuddly . it wasn't it was very soft focussed, it was very cuddly. it wasn't as if the government was saying to the food look, we want food retailers, look, we want you sort this out, guys, you to sort this out, guys, because is massive and it because this is massive and it seems to us, while there are

issues in the supply chain, while energy prices are still high, labour costs are high, while labour costs are still high, need labour, you still high, you need labour, you need to process food . and need energy to process food. and of course, food is there's a lag. and a year ago, fertilisers pdces lag. and a year ago, fertilisers prices were high. even though they've come down now. so i do think there's a sense that the food retailers are protecting their margins while really squeezing the farmers margins and really squeezing the consumers. i think that's fair to say . the perception there to say. the perception is there , and i don't think the idea of a voluntary food price cap is going to really they should have butter any parsnips, as my old mum would say , they should have mum would say, they should have made walk of shame at made him do the walk of shame at downing street we could have downing street and we could have named and shamed them. and named them and shamed them. and then they should have. they- then they should have. they shoutt—a- then they should have. they should _a really. then they should have. they- should_a really tough should have been a really tough reatout— should have been a really tough reatout trom— should have been a really tough readout from the— should have been a really tough readout from the minister readout from the prime minister and-chancellor— readout from the prime minister and chancellor straight and the chancellor straight afterwards. _ afterwards. but not all supermarkets prices supermarkets put their prices up. actually managed up. one aldi actually managed to on decrease on average decrease their prices. that's a really good potnt.— prices. that's a really good potnt-atat- prices. that's a really good point-aldi, lidl- i that's a really good point. aldi, lidl and the point. dawn aldi, lidl and the other—are- point. dawn aldi, lidl and the. other—are taking other discount eaters are taking market— other discount eaters are taking market share— other discount eaters are taking market share from _ other discount eaters are taking market share from the big guys, pantsutarty— market share from the big guys, particularly tesco_ market share from the big guys, particularly tesco ,_ market share from the big guys, particularly tesco , sainsbury's particularly tesco, sainsbury's ant— particularly tesco, sainsbury's ant-whtsh- particularly tesco, sainsbury's and -which i more l particularly tesco, sainsbury'sl and -which.more up and waitrose, which is more up market.— and waitrose, which is more up

market-ts— and waitrose, which is more up market. is happening . market. but that is happening. but market. but that is happening. hut stttt— market. but that is happening. but still tesco,— market. but that is happening. but still tesco, sainsbury they tomtnate— but still tesco, sainsbury they dominate the— but still tesco, sainsbury they dominate the market share , aldi dominate the market share, aldi and dominate the market share, aldi ant tht. — dominate the market share, aldi and lidl. their— dominate the market share, aldi and lidl. their share is erowtne— and lidl. their share is growingv hut- and lidl. their share is growing, but it's still relatively— growing, but it's still relatively small and that's a prohtem— relatively small and that's a problem, right? ”ti problem, right? i think we're running out of time. thank you very much. right still to come, the government to the government is hoping to crack on vape promotions crack down on vape promotions targeted at children. but what's taking them find out taking them so long? find out after morning news with after your morning news with aaron armstrong . it's 1034. aaron armstrong. it's 1034. aaron armstrong. it's 1034. aaron armstrong - it”ti“ ' g it's1034. aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. eamonn holmes has tessrthet— newsroom. eamonn holmes has tessrthet hrs— newsroom. eamonn holmes has described his former colleague rhhttp— described his former colleague phillip schofield,— described his former colleague phillip schofield, as a chief narstsstst— phillip schofield, as a chief narstsstst .— phillip schofield, as a chief narcissist , accusing him of narcissist, accusing him of sreattne— narcissist, accusing him of sreattne a— narcissist, accusing him of creating a toxic— narcissist, accusing him of creating a toxic culture at ttv-s— creating a toxic culture at ttv-s thts— creating a toxic culture at itv's this morning. schofield testenet— itv's this morning. schofield resigned from _ itv's this morning. schofield resigned from the broadcaster ant— resigned from the broadcaster ant was— resigned from the broadcaster and was dropped by his agency atten— and was dropped by his agency after admitting— and was dropped by his agency after admitting to an affair wtth— after admitting to an affair wtth a— after admitting to an affair wtth a youne— after admitting to an affair with a young male colleague on the proeramme.— with a young male colleague on the programme. in— with a young male colleague on the programme. in a gb news esushte— the programme. in a gb news exclusive former— the programme. in a gb news exclusive former this morning host— exclusive former this morning host tamom— exclusive former this morning host eamonn holmes says there were rumours about the affair ant— were rumours about the affair ant he— were rumours about the affair and he believes— were rumours about the affair and he believes executives at th— and he believes executives at th thew— and he believes executives at th tnew att— and he believes executives at itv knew all about it and soveet— itv knew all about it and soveet h— itv knew all about it and covered it up— itv knew all about it and covered it up to protect philip

ant— covered it up to protect philip ant hotty— covered it up to protect philip and holly willoughby as well as the tent.— and holly willoughby as well as the tent — and holly willoughby as well as the tent t— and holly willoughby as well as the brand. i didn't— and holly willoughby as well as the brand. i didn't i— and holly willoughby as well as the brand. i i“ c i i“ c the brand. i didn't i didn't know anything . i heard some know anything. i heard some rumours were you going to go to with these rumours? who you know, everyone was team phillip and holly and they were there together. they were seen together. they were seen together. they were the brand. and in a statement earlier, itv sonttrm— and in a statement earlier, itv sonttrm h— and in a statement earlier, itv confirm it did— ' i in a statement earlier, itv confirm it did investigate rumours of a— confirm it did investigate rumours of a relationship between— rumours of a relationship between schofield and a fellow emptoyee— between schofield and a fellow emptoyee. ant— between schofield and a fellow employee, and both parties categorically— employee, and both parties categorically and repeatedly tentet— categorically and repeatedly denied those— categorically and repeatedly denied those rumours, as did sshottett-s— denied those rumours, as did schofield's agent at the time . schofield's agent at the time. the— schofield's agent at the time. the government— schofield's agent at the time. the government has until 4:00 thts— the government has until 4:00 this afternoon— the government has until 4:00 this afternoon to— the government has until 4:00 this afternoon to release more of this afternoon to release more ot torts— this afternoon to release more of boris johnson's— this afternoon to release more of boris johnson's unredacted tosuments— of boris johnson's unredacted documents to— of boris johnson's unredacted documents to the covid public tneutry— documents to the covid public tneutry or— documents to the covid public inquiry or potentially face srtmtnat— inquiry or potentially face criminal prosecution . the criminal prosecution. the cathet— criminal prosecution. the cabinet office— criminal prosecution. the cabinet office is arguing some of cabinet office is arguing some ot the— cabinet office is arguing some of the material— cabinet office is arguing some of the material is— cabinet office is arguing some of the material is in their worts— of the material is in their words, unambiguously irrelevant . vett— words, unambiguously irrelevant . wet the— words, unambiguously irrelevant . well, the chair— words, unambiguously irrelevant . well, the chair of— words, unambiguously irrelevant . well, the chair of the tneutry.— . well, the chair of the inquiry, baroness hallett, says she-tt— inquiry, baroness hallett, says she-tt he— inquiry, baroness hallett, says she-tt he the— inquiry, baroness hallett, says she'll be the judge of what is in she'll be the judge of what is tn the— she'll be the judge of what is tn the ssope— she'll be the judge of what is in the scope of— she'll be the judge of what is in the scope of the investigation. an food inflation

has stowet— investigation. an food inflation has slowed slightly in may after ayear— has slowed slightly in may after a year ot— has slowed slightly in may after a year of record— has slowed slightly in may after a year of record increases, but overatt— a year of record increases, but overatt shop— a year of record increases, but overall shop prices have gone up— overall shop prices have gone up. that-s— overall shop prices have gone up. that's been— overall shop prices have gone up. that's been driven by a jump in up. that's been driven by a jump tn the— up. that's been driven by a jump tn the prtse— up. that's been driven by a jump tn the prtse ot— up. that's been driven by a jump in the price of shelf— up. that's been driven by a jump in the price of shelf stable hems— in the price of shelf stable ttems the— in the price of shelf stable items like coffee and chocolate . whtsh— items like coffee and chocolate . whtsh has— items like coffee and chocolate , which has been— items like coffee and chocolate , which has been eased slightly by a— , which has been eased slightly by a trop— , which has been eased slightly by a hop tn— , which has been eased slightly by a drop in fresh— , which has been eased slightly by a drop in fresh food protusts. — by a drop in fresh food products. the- by a drop in fresh food products. the government is in tatts— products. the government is in tatts wtth— products. the government is in talks with supermarkets to tntrotuse — talks with supermarkets to introduce caps— talks with supermarkets to introduce caps on the price of essenttat— introduce caps on the price of essential items— introduce caps on the price of essential items to— introduce caps on the price of essential items to help families teat— essential items to help families teat wtth— essential items to help families deal with the— essential items to help families deal with the rising cost of thtne— deal with the rising cost of ttvtne .— deal with the rising cost of ttvtne . hone— deal with the rising cost of living . more on- deal with the rising cost of living . more on all those living. more on all those stones— living. more on all those stortes on— living. more on all those stories on our- living. more on all those stories on our website. gb news. . thest— stories on our website. gb news. .com . direct bullion- stories on our website. gb news. .com . ti“ .com. direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . for gold and silver investment. a quick look at today's markets. the— a quick look at today's markets. the pount— a quick look at today's markets. the pount wht— a quick look at today's markets. the pound will buy you $1.2374 and the pound will buy you $1.2374 ant thee.— the pound will buy you $1.2374 and ,1.1566. the— the pound will buy you $1.2374 and ,1.1566. the price of gold . and ,1.1566. the price of gold. antes-aa— and ,1.1566. the price of gold. antes-aa per— and ,1.1566. the price of gold. £1,570.44 per ounce. and the

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liberty. yeah, i have completely terahet— liberty. yeah, i have completely terattet the— liberty. yeah, i have completely derailed the conversation. “ derailed the conversation. join me atontay— derailed the conversation. join me atontay to— derailed the conversation. join me monday to thursday at 8 pm. on gb news. britain's news. shannet — on gb news. britain's news. channel well,— on gb news. britain's news. channel well, we've- on gb news. britain's news. channel well, we've got plenty of people email in and tweeting in all about scofield, of course, collins says all the people who lose their jobs on good morning should get together. and sue scofield for loss earnings. but you know

loss of earnings. but you know what— loss of earnings. but you know what thts— loss of earnings. but you know what thts-t— loss of earnings. but you know what this-i like— loss of earnings. but you know what this-i like this- “titi but you know what this i like this one as what this is? i like this one as wett— what this is? i like this one as well, because— what this is? i like this one as well, because i— what this is? i like this one as well, because i keep thinking thts— well, because i keep thinking thts as— well, because i keep thinking thts as wett — well, because i keep thinking this as well. good morning, sawh— this as well. good morning, calvin. thank— this as well. good morning, calvin. thank you getting in calvin. thank you for getting in toush. — calvin. thank you for getting in toush. tm— calvin. thank you for getting in touch. i'm thinking of the wonderful,— touch. i'm thinking of the wonderful, working members touch. i'm thinking of the wondeteam working members touch. i'm thinking of the wondeteam behind'king members touch. i'm thinking of the wondeteam behind me] members touch. i'm thinking of the wondeteam behind me this mbers of the team behind me this morntne. — of the team behind me this. morning. _victims, morning. they're the victims, too. — morning. they're the victims, too. -tatttne- morning. they're the victims, too. talking about morning. they're the victims,- too. _talking about the too. so we are talking about the young— too. so we are talking about the youne protuses— too. so we are talking about the young producers, the assistant protusers—toti producers. they're not in a lot of producers. they're not in a lot ot—tose- producers. they're not in a lot of_lose their. of money if they lose their tots— of money if they lose their rots-reatty— of money if they lose their jobs,.really is- of money if they lose their jobs, really is big deal jobs, it really is a big deal tor— jobs, it really is a big deal tor them— jobs, it really is a big deal for them because the show could go for them because the show could eo town— for them because the show could eo town ant— for them because the show could go down and fryston says if itv reatty— go down and fryston says if itv reatty-arranetne- go down and fryston says if itv really arranging taxis really were arranging taxis to terry— really were arranging taxis to ferry schofields_ really were arranging taxis to ferry schofields a child victim, toot.— ferry schofields a child victim, toot. we— ferry schofields a child victim, look, we think— ferry schofields a child victim, look, we think he— ferry schofields a child victim, look, we think he we don't look, we think he was we don't know— look, we think he was we don't tho—as- look, we think he was we don't tho—as tn- look, we think he was we don't tho—as tn al know what age he was in a relationship— know what age he was in a relationship started scofield know what age he was in a relatitiship started scofield know what age he was in a relat it was» started scofield know what age he was in a relat it was inappropriate, )field know what age he was in a relat it was inappropriate, butd says it was inappropriate, but it says it was inappropriate, but h-hteeat— says it was inappropriate, but it-illegal,-not- it wasn't illegal, but not hteeat — it wasn't illegal, but not illegal. yeah,- it wasn't illegal, but not illegal. / tipsittilcg it wasn't illegal, but not illegal. “43?" tipsittilcg it wasn't illegal, but not illegal. / tipsittilcg �*7 illegal. yeah, exactly. so if it's he's not a child. from it's 18, he's not a child. from his it's18, he's not a child. from his to the studio his house to the studio mornings. is it possible to mornings. how is it possible to claim investigated and claim itv had investigated and found no evidence? didn't. claim itv had investigated and founcdid evidence? didn't. claim itv had investigated and founcdid investigate didn't. claim itv had investigated and founcdid investigate it, dn't. claim itv had investigated and founcdid investigate it, but. they did investigate it, but they've said they've investigated it. i've not very well. investigated it. i've not very wett tteh— investigated it. i've not very wett vvett t— investigated it. i've not very well. well i mean,- 3: c i've not very well. well i mean, they did tnvestteate— well. well i mean, they did investigate obviously investigate and obviously they tenore— investigate and obviously they ignore-accounts- ignore their taxi accounts resetpts— receipts because that everybody at-tathne— receipts because that everybody at-tathne-h- at itv was talking about it. yeah— at itv was talking about it. yeah,-everyone's- at itv was talking about it. yeah, everyone's talking yeah, but everyone's talking ahout— yeah, but everyone's talking about—sh- yeah, but everyone's talking. about—gb news about our interview or gb news tntervtew— about our interview or gb news tntervtewlmean— about our interview or gb news interview. mean, dan and interview. i mean, dan and tamom— interview. i mean, dan and eamonn-night- interview. i mean, dan and- eamonn-night-pauline. eamonn last night say pauline. soot— eamonn last night say pauline. soot morntne— eamonn last night say pauline. good morning, thank good morning, pauline. thank you,— good morning, pauline. thank you—tor- you, eamonn and dan, for stanttne— you, eamonn and dan, for stanttnelto— you, eamonn and dan, for standing-to the- you, eamonn and dan, for standing to the establishment standing up to the establishment .-ttme—ttti

. it's about time someone did wett— . it's about time someone did wett vou— . it's about time someone did wett vou san— . it's about time someone did well. you can rely— . it's about time someone did well. you can rely on gb news to do well. you can rely on gb news to to-vou— well. you can rely on gb news to to-vou san— well. you can rely on gb news to to-vou — well. you can rely on gb news to do-you can. you- well. you can rely on gb news to do-you can. you can- well. you can rely on gb news to do you can. /tit. titit“ ”ti;th do that. you can. you can rely on nigel nelson, who's our senior commentator, on nigel nelson, who's our senior buxton,nmentator, on nigel nelson, who's our senior buxton, our ntator, on nigel nelson, who's our senior buxton, our political and tanya buxton, our political commentator with us, commentator who are with us, philip schofield it's on five front today. i admire you front pages today. i admire you for front pages today. i admire you tor saytne— front pages today. i admire you tor saytne ttv— front pages today. i admire you for saying itv said— front pages today. i admire you for saying itv said they- for saying itv said they investigated— for saying itv said they investigated and i believe them. oh, investigated and i believe them. on. phase— investigated and i believe them. on. ptease .— investigated and i believe them. oh, please , please. they just oh, please, please. they just trt— oh, please, please. they just ttt not.— oh, please, please. they just ttt not. they— oh, please, please. they just did not. they did— oh, please, please. they just did not. they did not investigate - did not. they did not investigate in any in any form of investigate in any in any form ot an— investigate in any in any form of an investigation of manner. they— of an investigation of manner. they mteht— of an investigation of manner. they might made a small they might have made a small request.— they might have made a small reeuest. they— they might have made a small request. they might have possthty— request. they might have possibly someone. request. they might have- possibly-someone. but possibly asked someone. but that-s— possibly asked someone. but that's investigation. possibly asked someone. but that's they astigation. possibly asked someone. but that's they say. ation. possibly asked someone. but that's-they say. wen.- possibly asked someone. but that's they say. we have to that's what they say. we have to we to. well they're known we have to. well they're known to be and they're known to to be lying and they're known to be liars accounts and be liars on other accounts and as is philip schofield. so let's just let's let's be— as is philip schofield. so let's just let's let's be the- c ii so let's just let's let's be the channel that—h- just let's let's be the channel that—h out- that actually calls it out property— that actually calls it out- property—ant properly as eamonn has and speaks— properly as eamonn has and speaks the— properly as eamonn has and speaks the truth— properly as eamonn has and speaks the truth about what's going— speaks the truth about what's eotne—eoes- speaks the truth about what's eotne—eoes onl speaks the truth about what's- going_goes on behind going on and what goes on behind the ssenes— going on and what goes on behind the tn— going on and what goes on behind the scenes in television sompanes — the scenes in television companies. now itv are known to have— companies. now itv are known to have thts— companies. now itv are known to have thts you— companies. now itv are known to have this, you know,— companies. now itv are known to have this, you know, keep the start— have this, you know, keep the stah sate. — have this, you know, keep the staff safe. _you - have this, you know, keep the staff safe. you know, staff safe. they, you know, those— staff safe. they, you know, those above _ staff safe. they, you know, those above knew what was going on. those above knew what was going ant— those above knew what was going ant they— those above knew what was going ant they rust— those above knew what was going on. and they just added petrol to the— on. and they just added petrol to the the— on. and they just added petrol to the fire instead of calling htm— to the fire instead of calling htm up— to the fire instead of calling him up straight— to the fire instead of calling him up straight away telling him this him up straight away telling him thts tsn-t— him up straight away telling him thts tsn-t eoot— him up straight away telling him this isn't good enough and sanytne— this isn't good enough and sarrytne — this isn't good enough and carrying on. and happened carrying on. and it's happened hetore—

before with other people in a mush— before with other people in a much worse .as- before with other people in a much worse as we know. we much worse way as we know. we won-t— much worse way as we know. we won-t mentton— much worse way as we know. we won't mention those other names , won't mention those other names -omes to tteht- , but it all comes to light eventuatty— , but it all comes to light eventually. these famous eventually. all these famous peopte— eventually. all these famous peopte that— eventually. all these famous people that are— eventually. all these famous people that are covered up or by those— people that are covered up or by thoselthe— people that are covered up or by those-the offices— people that are covered up or by those the offices and those in the offices on hiin and it's those in the offices on high and rts—tn— those in the offices on high and h-s—tn the- those in the offices on high and it's—in the offices. it's the people in the offices on nteh— it's the people in the offices on hen-to- it's the people in the offices on high-to come. it's the people in the offices- on high-to come down. on hiin that need to come down. do on high that need to come down. to you— on high that need to come down. to you thtnt— on high that need to come down. do you think holly— on high that need to come down. do you think holly willoughby, who— do you think holly willoughby, who-she-t— do you think holly willoughby, who-she'd-him. do you think holly willoughby,. who-she'd-him about who claims she'd asked him about the—ant— who claims she'd asked him about the—ant he— who claims she'd asked him about the—and he denied- the relationship and he denied it? the relationship and he denied rte-seen— the relationship and he denied it?-seen photographs. the relationship and he deniedi it?-seen photographs of it? we've seen photographs of them at awards ceremonies together the young man and together with the young man and schofield . do you think she schofield. do you think she didn't know? she knew . i mean, schofield. do you think she didn't know? she knew. i mean, i woutt— didn't know? she knew. i mean, i woutt t— didn't know? she knew. i mean, i woutt t woutt— didn't know? she knew. i mean, i would i would literally— i ti“ c 7 she knew. i mean, i would i would literally bet big money— would i would literally bet big money on— would i would literally bet big money on th— would i would literally bet big money on h. t— would i would literally bet big money on it. i mean , do you have money on it. i mean, do you have trtentse— money on it. i mean, do you have trtentse ho— money on it. i mean, do you have trtentse to you— money on it. i mean, do you have friends? do you have— money on it. i mean, do you have friends? do you have friends and do friends? do you have friends and to you— friends? do you have friends and to you know— friends? do you have friends and do you know when _ friends? do you have friends and do you know when friends of yours— do you know when friends of yous ot— do you know when friends of yous ot a— do you know when friends of yours, of a leading question to antrew— yours, of a leading question to antrew. to— yours, of a leading question to antrew. to you— yours, of a leading question to andrew, do you know obviously i know— andrew, do you know obviously i know when— andrew, do you know obviously i know when my— andrew, do you know obviously i know when my friends are in a retattonshtp— know when my friends are in a relationship with— know when my friends are in a relationship with someone or whether— relationship with someone or whether. not. _ relationship with someone or whether not. when whether it's not. and when youe— whether it's not. and when youne-ant- whether it's not. and when youne-ant youl whether it's not. and when you're and you go whether it's not. and when. you're-and you go on you're so close and you go on hotttay— you're so close and you go on holiday-someone,- you're so close and you go on holiday someone, i don't holiday with someone, i don't know— holiday with someone, i don't know-sout- holiday with someone, i don't know could stomach it. know how she could stomach it. she— know how she could stomach it. she was— know how she could stomach it. she eotne— know how she could stomach it. she was going on— know how she could stomach it. she was going on holiday with his she was going on holiday with hrs-thew— she was going on holiday with his-knew-thisl his wife and knew about this retatton— his wife and knew about this relation ship— his wife and knew about this relation ship and it's all ttentty— relation ship and it's all friendly, friendly me. it's friendly, friendly for me. it's hrutatty— brutally disloyal in on so many tevets— brutally disloyal in on so many tevets .— brutally disloyal in on so many tevets . ant— brutally disloyal in on so many levels . and-know- brutally disloyal in on so many levels . and know what we levels. and you know what we neet — levels. and you know what we need .television_ levels. and you know what we need television and what this need on television and what this morntne— need on television and what this morntne was— need on television and what this morning was supposed to be were our-speahne— morning was supposed to be were our-speahne-tol

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who was there , was saying, look, who was there, was saying, look, we knew things were going on. this is the sort of thing that was happening. this was the way phillip was behaving , phillip schofield was behaving, as tonya just mentioned, that investigation that itv did doesn't seem to be much of an investigation . what they need investigation. what they need now is to come clean about how how well that investigation was, was conducted. and if it wasn't , have a new one. and the young tn— , have a new one. and the young tn euestton— , have a new one. and the young man in question that— , have a new one. and the young man in question that we- man in question that we understand— man in question that we understand there are non—disclosure agreements understand there are— non—disclosure agreements around him non—disclosure agreements around htm whtsh— non—disclosure agreements around htm whtsh wht— non—disclosure agreements around him which will expire quite soon, in which— him which will expire quite soon, in which case if he then eoes— soon, in which case if he then eoes puhtts— soon, in which case if he then goes public, that— soon, in which case if he then goes public, that could be a pretty— goes public, that could be a pretty difficult— goes public, that could be a pretty difficult time for itv. vett— pretty difficult time for itv. wett h— pretty difficult time for itv. well, it would. - pretty difficult time for itv. well, it would. “ i pretty difficult time for itv. well, it would. i well, it would. i mean, i'd be surprised if a non—disclosure agreement would cover everything that happened. i mean, it should be a non—disclosure agreement about what he knows knows about itv. yeah so we will see. but obviously, should he decide to tell his story, this will go into a whole different realm. not to non—disclosure agreements in themselves are quite

sinister, aren't they? they say there's something— sinister, aren't they? they say there's something to- sinister, aren't they? they say there's something to be- “ tithi“ c c“tig7’ they say there's something to be covered up ant— there's something to be covered up ant thet— there's something to be covered up and lied about.— there's something to be covered up and lied about. i mean, and so h— up and lied about. i mean, and so h youne— up and lied about. i mean, and so if you're transparent and tatttne— so if you're transparent and tatttne ant— so if you're transparent and talking and speaking the truth, what— talking and speaking the truth, what to— talking and speaking the truth, what to you— talking and speaking the truth, what do you need that for? ' “i what do you need that for? and ten-t— what do you need that for? and tsn-t there— what do you need that for? and tsn-t there a— what do you need that for? and isn't there a great— what do you need that for? and isn't there a great irony when it's media company having it's a media company having non—disclosure with it's a media company having non mediaysure with it's a media company having non media isire with it's a media company having non media is to with it's a media company having non media is to inform with it's a media company having non media is to inform and with it's a media company having non media is to inform and to th the media is to inform and to report. yes. to cover facts report. yes. not to cover facts up. would to say in the up. i would have to say in the tetense— up. i would have to say in the tetense ot— up. i would have to say in the defence of many— c. i would have to say in the defence of many companies defence of many media companies , it defence of many media companies . hla— defence of many media companies . hla stantart— defence of many media companies , itla standard part— defence of many media companies , it a standard part of , it is a standard part of teavtne— , it is a standard part of leaving that— , it is a standard part of leaving that you do sign a non—disclosure- leaving that you do sign a non—disclosure agreement. so there— non—disclosure agreement. so there-not— non—disclosure agreement. so thee-not he— non—disclosure agreement. so there not be anything there might not be anything stntsten— there might not be anything sinister.-not_ there might not be anything sinister. not standing up sinister. i'm not standing up for sinister. i'm not standing up tor—hut- sinister. i'm not standing up tor—hut mayhei sinister. i'm not standing up. for—but maybe it for anyone here, but maybe it toes— for anyone here, but maybe it toes-. — for anyone here, but maybe it toes-. mayhe- for anyone here, but maybe it does-. maybe it's. for anyone here, but maybe it. does-. maybe it's time for anyone here, but maybe it- does-. maybe it's time for does happen. maybe it's time for a change. maybe a change in the way things are done. yeah. yeah. when left my yeah. so when i. when i left my newspaper.— yeah. so when i. when i left my newspaper. t— yeah. so when i. when i left my newspaper. t t— yeah. so when i. when i left my newspaper, i. i signed one to me to not— newspaper, i. i signed one to me to not ehe— newspaper, i. i signed one to me to not give trade— newspaper, i. i signed one to me to not give trade company sets— to not give trade company secrets away.— to not give trade company secrets away. so they're not that— secrets away. so they're not that unusual.— secrets away. so they're not that unusual. i— secrets away. so they're not that unusual. i don't think thee-s— that unusual. i don't think there's anything really untoward going— there's anything really untoward eotne—hut- going on in this one. but tatttne— going on in this one. but tatttne ot— going on in this one. but talking of not- going on in this one. but talking of not disclosing things . what-s— talking of not disclosing things , see what's coming link there . , see what's coming link there. treet— , see what's coming link there. hteet thts— , see what's coming link there. hteet thts ts— , see what's coming link there. nigel, this is your— , see what's coming link there. nigel, this is your story. this is nigel, this is your story. this ts tn— nigel, this is your story. this ts tn the— nigel, this is your story. this is in the times.— nigel, this is your story. this is in the times. this is boris johnson-s— is in the times. this is boris johnson's whatsapp messages. ves.— johnson's whatsapp messages. ves. ant— johnson's whatsapp messages. ves. ant thts— johnson's whatsapp messages. yes. and this is— johnson's whatsapp messages. yes. and this is a— johnson's whatsapp messages. yes. and this is a row that will wht— yes. and this is a row that will wttt prohahty— yes. and this is a row that will will probably come to a conclusion— will probably come to a conclusion about 4:00 this attenoon — conclusion about 4:00 this

afternoon where heather hallett . who— afternoon where heather hallett . who ts— afternoon where heather hallett . who ts teattne— afternoon where heather hallett , who is leading the covid inquiry/r— , who is leading the covid inquiry wttt— , who is leading the covid inquiry, will decide whether or not she— inquiry, will decide whether or not she wttt— inquiry, will decide whether or not she will take— inquiry, will decide whether or not she will take legal action hesause— not she will take legal action hesause the— not she will take legal action because the government won't eeatse — because the government won't release documents and whatsapp messaees that— release documents and whatsapp messages that relate to covid. how— messages that relate to covid. how the— messages that relate to covid. now the government— messages that relate to covid. now the government promised all along a full independent open inquiry and suddenly they've changed their minds and said, well, hang on a second, we've got all these documents here that we think ought to be redacted because they might contain some embarrassing political information that they're not relevant to the inquiry . so we'll send heather inquiry. so we'll send heather hallett a partial version of it . this is not on i mean , it is . this is not on i mean, it is quite clear that it should be for the for the inquiry chairman to decide what is relevant and what isn't and what isn't relevant won't then go into the pubuc relevant won't then go into the public domain. it's not up to ministers or the cabinet office to start filtering, to start shredding bits of them before they even get to her. and that's what's happening in this. we're

just some breaking news on this subject actually , nigel. some subject actually, nigel. some breaking news. the- h titi some breaking news. the covid—19 tneutry— breaking news. the covid—19 tneutry sart— breaking news. the covid—19 inquiry said.has_ breaking news. the covid—19 inquiry said has been told breaking news. the covid—19 inqlcabinet has been told breaking news. the covid—19 inqlcabinet office been told breaking news. the covid—19 inqlcabinet office doesn'tld breaking news. the covid—19 inqlcabinet office doesn't have the cabinet office doesn't have tons— the cabinet office doesn't have boris johnson's— the cabinet office doesn't have boris johnson's whatsapp messages or notebooks as the teatttne— messages or notebooks as the teatttne to— messages or notebooks as the deadline to hand— messages or notebooks as the deadline to hand over the evttense— deadline to hand over the evidence was— deadline to hand over the evidence was extended until thurstay— evidence was extended until thursday afternoon . well, so thursday afternoon. well, so hes— thursday afternoon. well, so hes not— thursday afternoon. well, so he's not handed— thursday afternoon. well, so he's not handed them over to the sahtnet— he's not handed them over to the sahtnet. vett— he's not handed them over to the cabinet. well, hang— he's not handed them over to the cabinet. well, hang on, hang on, she— cabinet. well, hang on, hang on, she says— cabinet. well, hang on, hang on, she says h— cabinet. well, hang on, hang on, she says it doesn't. “ she says it doesn't. this is extraordinary because how did how were they able then to tell the police there were things in those redacted in those diaries? well, they're the diaries that not— well, they're the diaries that not hrs— well, they're the diaries that were not his diaries. that's the tray— were not his diaries. that's the ttary that-s— were not his diaries. that's the diary that's i've— were not his diaries. that's the diary that's i've written about thts.— diary that's i've written about thts. that-s— diary that's i've written about this. that's the— diary that's i've written about this. that's the data that's kept— this. that's the data that's tept hy— this. that's the data that's kept by sht— this. that's the data that's kept by civil servants, which is a tetahet— kept by civil servants, which is a detailed minute— kept by civil servants, which is a detailed minute minute a detailed minute by minute assount— a detailed minute by minute assount ot— a detailed minute by minute account of the— a detailed minute by minute account of the minister's account of the prime minister's worhne— account of the prime minister's working-whether- account of the prime minister's working whether it's at working day, whether it's at humpe— working day, whether it's at hunter—or- working day, whether it's at- number_or wherever. number 10, chequers or wherever. torts— number 10, chequers or wherever. torts-have— number 10, chequers or wherever. boris-have had— number 10, chequers or wherever. boris-have had no- number 10, chequers or wherever. boris have had no made no boris would have had no made no tnput— boris would have had no made no tnput-that.— boris would have had no made no input-that. these— boris would have had no made no input that. these are input into that. these are retentne— input into that. these are reterrtne to — input into that. these are referring to his- input into that. these are referring to his own diaries and whatsapp— referring to his own diaries and whatsapp messages. i'm astonished— whatsapp messages. i'm astonished then, that that hash-t— astonished then, that that hasn't actually— astonished then, that that hasn't actually gone to the cathet— hasn't actually gone to the cabinet office. _i- hasn't actually gone to the cabinet office. i am, but cabinet office. well, i am, but . hut— cabinet office. well, i am, but . hut nothtne— cabinet office. well, i am, but . but nothing really astonishes you.— . but nothing really astonishes you. surety— . but nothing really astonishes you. surety — . but nothing really astonishes you. surety hs— . but nothing really astonishes you. surely c ti“ti.ti you. surely it's that experience does sound like a bit of a up rather than a conspiracy. yeah,

yeah, yeah. but i mean,- yeah, yeah. but i mean, sehatnty— yeah, yeah. but i mean, certainly the— yeah, yeah. but i mean, certainly the basic, the basic prtnstpte— certainly the basic, the basic prtnstpte ts— certainly the basic, the basic principle is that— certainly the basic, the basic principle is that heather hattett— principle is that heather hallett should have access to everythtne— hallett should have access to everythtne-ts— hallett should have access to everything is relevant. everything that is relevant. veat. — everything that is relevant. heat. that— everything that is relevant. yeah. what do— everything that is relevant. “43?" what do you everything that is relevant. / what do you think about yeah. what do you think about thtse — yeah. what do you think about thtse so— yeah. what do you think about thtse so t.— yeah. what do you think about thtse so u t— yeah. what do you think about this? so i, i as— yeah. what do you think about this? so i, i as a— “43?" what do you think about this? so i, i as a member of the public, don't trust the civil service anymore, so i don't trust them with the covid inquiry. number one, think inquiry. number one, i think they're taking us down rabbit holes they you holes and i think they keep, you know, to be kind of know, it seems to be kind of constantly coming back to, oh, we didn't lock down fast enough. no that's is it's no that's not this is it's categorically starting to be proved were a proved now that lockdowns were a terrible tell from terrible thing. we can tell from what happened in sweden that lockdowns shouldn't have happened. i don't care about these new details boris. these new details about boris. what coming out what i care about is coming out of this inquiry and sure of this inquiry and making sure that lockdowns happen that lockdowns never happen again, excess again, because we know excess deaths, suicides, lost, children , all the things that happened because , all the things that happened becc'isie kind mucking up this is all kind of mucking up the to actually prevent us the water to actually prevent us from getting the true facts. and it's a lot about it's also a lot about personality again, here, isn't it? if boris was just okay, he enme— c7’ if boris was just okay, he was prime minister, but there a-the— was prime minister, but there was a-the civil- was prime minister, but there was a the civil servants was a quad, the civil servants ant— was a quad, the civil servants ant the— was a quad, the civil servants and the scientists— was a quad, the civil servants and the scientists were hugely tnvotvet— and the scientists were hugely involved _and- and the scientists were hugely involved and you're involved in this. and you're right— involved in this. and you're right t— involved in this. and you're right t mean— involved in this. and you're

right, i mean, it— involved in this. and you're right, i mean, it all becomes ahout— right, i mean, it all becomes about that— right, i mean, it all becomes about that-boris- about that man, boris again. veat.— about that man, boris again. yeah-h— about that man, boris again. yeah,-it could— about that man, boris again. yeah,-it could prevent- yeah, but it could prevent future lockdowns, couldn't it? i mean, the whole point the mean, the whole point of the inquiry learn lessons inquiry is to learn lessons about what happened, the decisions were made over decisions that were made over covid a lot of people feel that the lockdowns that came after the lockdowns that came after the first lockdown, as tonya does , were totally wrong. yeah, does, were totally wrong. yeah, it may well be. that will be the conclusion of the inquiry. it wasn't necessarily it did too much damage to the economy, but those are the kind of lessons that we must learn just in case it happens again. but also, he got lot it happens again. but also, he eotltotlahuse— it happens again. but also, he gotllotlabusereing. got a lot of abuse for being stow— got a lot of abuse for being stow to— got a lot of abuse for being slow to lock— got a lot of abuse for being slow to lock down the first ttme. — slow to lock down the first ttme. ant — slow to lock down the first ttme. ant t— slow to lock down the first time. and i arguing actually, i thoueht— time. and i arguing actually, i thoueht h— time. and i arguing actually, i thought it was— time. and i arguing actually, i thought it was quite i said this to tonn— thought it was quite i said this to john redwood,— thought it was quite i said this to john redwood, quite noble of the then— to john redwood, quite noble of the british prime— to john redwood, quite noble of the british prime minister to be reststtne— the british prime minister to be resisting pressure— the british prime minister to be resisting pressure from the sht— resisting pressure from the civil service _ resisting pressure from the civil service such a shame. civil service was such a shame. it civil service was such a shame. tt—hat— civil service was such a shame. it_had resisted- it down if he had resisted throuehout— it down if he had resisted throughout it,— it down if he had resisted throughout it, we wouldn't have all throughout it, we wouldn't have at the— throughout it, we wouldn't have all the collateral— throughout it, we wouldn't have all the collateral damage we throughout it, we wouldn't have all ti now. lteral damage we throughout it, we wouldn't have all ti now. oi ”l damage we throughout it, we wouldn't have all ti now. oi ” age we throughout it, we wouldn't have all ti now. oi ” we throughout it, we wouldn't have all ti now. oi ” throughout it, we wouldn't have all tinow. have now. our state, the way we are. they'd have toppled him. but that's. but isn't that the problem that they decide? who is the they and it's the they are to blame , not whether boris

to blame, not whether boris didn't believe in the lockdown. so if he broke the rules and you had the labour party demanding us shouting louder, louder, more, was the more, more, more. it was the final more, more, more. it was the that-torts.— more, more, more. it was the final-boris. the- more, more, more. it was the final-boris. the final- final for boris. the final evttense— final for boris. the final evidence came when he had that repon— evidence came when he had that report trom — evidence came when he had that report from imperial to report from imperial college to say-you— report from imperial college to say-you to— report from imperial college to say you do nothing, 500,000 say, if you do nothing, 500,000 peopte— say, if you do nothing, 500,000 peopte wht— say, if you do nothing, 500,000 peopte wttt tte— say, if you do nothing, 500,000 people will die .— say, if you do nothing, 500,000 people will die . we don't know people will die. we don't know if people will die. we don't know h that— people will die. we don't know h that was— people will die. we don't know if that was true. _ people will die. we don't know if that was true. was it? never happenet. — if that was true. was it? never happenet. hut— if that was true. was it? never happened. git happened. but imperial has got it wrong so many times. i mean, can't we take that as that? aren't prediction. this sort of motetttne— aren't prediction. this sort of motetttne ts— aren't prediction. this sort of modelling is not— aren't prediction. this sort of modelling is not a prediction . modelling is not a prediction. hs— modelling is not a prediction. h-s a— modelling is not a prediction. h-s a warntne— modelling is not a prediction. it's a warning of— modelling is not a prediction. it's a warning of what might happen. — it's a warning of what might happen. ant— it's a warning of what might happen. ant on— it's a warning of what might happen. and on the basis of that.— happen. and on the basis of that. torts— happen. and on the basis of that, boris johnson, i think rtehtty— that, boris johnson, i think rightly hy— that, boris johnson, i think rightly by the _ that, boris johnson, i think rightly, by the way, he took the vtew— rightly, by the way, he took the wett— rightly, by the way, he took the view we'll have— rightly, by the way, he took the view we'll have to— rightly, by the way, he took the view we'll have to err on the she— view we'll have to err on the stte ot— view we'll have to err on the side of caution— view we'll have to err on the side of caution and hence the ttrst— side of caution and hence the first lockdown. _ side of caution and hence the first lockdown. tititic ti“ first lockdown. but caution for whom? caution whom? but it whom? caution for whom? but it didn't work, did it? more people suffered so when you there suffered so when you when there was cost benefit analysis to was no cost benefit analysis to lockdown . and that's the thing lockdown. and that's the thing that makes me so 400,000 people didn't die . so that's not true, didn't die. so that's not true, nigel. that's just not true. well, they didn't. i mean, they didn't die, but not because of. not because we. because we locked well that's what

locked down. well that's what the inquiry have to decide the inquiry will have to decide . if inquiry turns around . if the inquiry turns around ant— . if the inquiry turns around ant says— . if the inquiry turns around and says, look,— if the inquiry turns around and says, look, that lockdown wasnt— and says, look, that lockdown wasn't necessary,— wasn't necessary, i will sertatnty— wasn't necessary, i will sertatnty-my- wasn't necessary, i will certainly my words quite certainly eat my words quite happy.— certainly eat my words quite happtty. hut— certainly eat my words quite happily but the_ certainly eat my words quite happily. but the social civil servants— happily. but the social civil servants are— happily. but the social civil servants are doing the inquiry , servants are doing the inquiry, so they-re— servants are doing the inquiry, so they-re-eotne- servants are doing the inquiry, so they're going to come so they're never going to come out—thtsl so they're never going to comej out—thts ts out with that, are they? this is an independent— out with that, are they? this is an independent inquiry. so heather— an independent inquiry. so heather .— an independent inquiry. so heather . h— an independent inquiry. so heather , it doesn't have to heather, it doesn't have to astuatty— heather, it doesn't have to actually respond to anybody. she hash-t— actually respond to anybody. she hasn-t eot— actually respond to anybody. she hasn-t eot a— actually respond to anybody. she hasn't got a boss— actually respond to anybody. she hasn't got a boss in that sense. the— hasn't got a boss in that sense. the onty— hasn't got a boss in that sense. the onty toss— hasn't got a boss in that sense. the only boss she— hasn't got a boss in that sense. the only boss she has now is whether— the only boss she has now is whether the— the only boss she has now is whether the courts go along with what— whether the courts go along with what she-s— whether the courts go along with what she's demanding , which is what she's demanding, which is that— what she's demanding, which is that thts— what she's demanding, which is that this material— what she's demanding, which is that this material has to be reteaset— that this material has to be released, perhaps set the terms of released, perhaps set the terms ot eestene— released, perhaps set the terms of reference of— released, perhaps set the terms of reference of this— released, perhaps set the terms of reference of this inquiry too we — of reference of this inquiry too we -no.— of reference of this inquiry too wide. _no, because- of reference of this inquiry too wide. i wide. well, no, because what they're they're they're doing is they're breaching reference breaching the terms of reference that i'm the technical thing is section 21 the inquiries, act section 21 of the inquiries, act 2005. and that gives her power to tenant— 2005. and that gives her power to demand these— $2005 and that gives her power to demand these very things . so to demand these very things. so all to demand these very things. so at she-s— to demand these very things. so at she-s totne— to demand these very things. so all she's doing is— to demand these very things. so all she's doing is exercise the power— all she's doing is exercise the power the— all she's doing is exercise the power the taw— all she's doing is exercise the power the law gives her. but a judge— power the law gives her. but a rutee must— power the law gives her. but a rutee must now— power the law gives her. but a judge must now decide if provttet— judge must now decide if provided the— judge must now decide if provided the cabinet office ton-t— provided the cabinet office don't release— provided the cabinet office don't release anything, a judge wttt— don't release anything, a judge wttt have— don't release anything, a judge wttt have to— don't release anything, a judge will have to decide whether or not thts— will have to decide whether or not this stuff— will have to decide whether or not this stuff now— will have to decide whether or not this stuff now should fall tnto— not this stuff now should fall tnto he— not this stuff now should fall into her hands.— not this stuff now should fall into her hands. but there are so many— into her hands. but there are so many peopte— into her hands. but there are so many peopte out— into her hands. but there are so many people out there that want

answers and they— many people out there that want answers and they don't want to watt— answers and they don't want to wah years— answers and they don't want to wah years ant— answers and they don't want to wait years and the— answers and they don't want to wait years and the government area-t— wait years and the government aen-t eeat— wait years and the government aent ereat on— wait years and the government aren't great on getting tneutrtes— aren't great on getting inquiries they? inquiries done fast, are they? to. toot— inquiries done fast, are they? to. toot-nae.— inquiries done fast, are they? no. look-iraq. no- inquiries done fast, are they? htit look iraq. no yes, no. look at iraq. no yes, thants. — no. look at iraq. no yes, thants. t— no. look at iraq. no yes, thanks. i give- no. look at iraq. no yes, thanks. i give this- htit look at iraq. no yes, thanks. �*3 thanks. i give this at least five years. nigel. well, i mean, she will have have interim reports coming out, so it will be a slightly different inquiry from previous five years. higher , i'd say 2 or 3. higher , i'd say 2 or 3. tanya higher, i'd say 2 or 3. tanya hteher— higher, i'd say 2 or 3. tanya higher forever. _ higher, i'd say 2 or 3. tanya higher forever. c ii higher forever. it will roll. we'll never get the truth . we'll never get the truth. tanya talking of the truth, we're coming _ tanya talking of the truth, we're coming back to you now. thts— we're coming back to you now. thts ts— we're coming back to you now. thts ts the— we're coming back to you now. this is the telegraph . we have this is the telegraph. we have to he— this is the telegraph. we have to he euhe— this is the telegraph. we have to be quite brief.— to be quite brief. unfortunately, the telegraph, the extort— unfortunately, the telegraph, the oxford trans rail. yes, i'm reatty— the oxford trans rail. yes, i'm reatty pteaset— the oxford trans rail. yes, i'm really pleased that rishi sunak has-out— really pleased that rishi sunak has-out tn— really pleased that rishi sunak has out in defence and said has come out in defence and said that— has come out in defence and said that-tont— has come out in defence and said that-don't want— has come out in defence and said that-don't want a— has come out in defence and said that don't want a vocal few that we don't want a vocal few peopte— that we don't want a vocal few peopte sthttne— that we don't want a vocal few people stifling debate , so we people stifling debate, so we are people stifling debate, so we atte— people stifling debate, so we ahte to— people stifling debate, so we are able to have— people stifling debate, so we are able to have conversations. thts— are able to have conversations. thts ts— are able to have conversations. thts he the— are able to have conversations. this is the thing— are able to have conversations. this is the thing about- are able to have conversations. this is the thing about cancel culture and in particular the trans lobby is so strong, you know, they don't want you to speak. i never understand that because if you feel you're right, if i feel i'm right, i want debate with you day want to debate with you all day long because i'm coming from particularly at a university us well, of

well, this is a place of learning. this is kathleen host.— learning. this is kathleen stost. tsn-t— learning. this is kathleen stock, isn't it?— “ti this is kathleen stock, isn't it? who's talking tontehte— stock, isn't it? who's talking tonight?-debate- stock, isn't it? who's talking. tonight?-debate-and tonight? who debate who's and shes— tonight? who debate who's and she's hounded— tonight? who debate who's and she's hounded she she's hounded out and she hountet— she's hounded out and she hounded-her- she's hounded out and she hounded her job a hounded out of her job at a unhershy— hounded out of her job at ai university _takes hounded out of her job at a- university_takes the university because she takes the vtew— university because she takes the she— university because she takes the view she wants. _ university because she takes the view she wants. i c view she wants. she doesn't believe can be trans believe you can be a trans woman. all she did is she euesttonet— “ all she did is she questioned whether gender ttentty— questioned whether gender ttenttty ts— questioned whether gender identity is more important than htotoetsat— identity is more important than biological-which- identity is more important than biological which don't biological sex, which i don't thtnt— biological sex, which i don't think—could. think anybody here could possthty— think anybody here could possibly believe she just possibly believe. and she just euesttonet— possibly believe. and she just questioned because of questioned that. and because of that.— questioned that. and because of that-has— questioned that. and because of that-has teen- questioned that. and because of that, has been ruined . that, her life has been ruined. veat.— that, her life has been ruined. veah.lreatty— that, her life has been ruined. yeah,.really has.— that, her life has been ruined. yeah,.really has. it- that, her life has been ruined. yeah,.really has. it really- yeah, it really has. it really has. and the prime minister is sticking up for her. is he triggering war, in triggering a culture war, in your view, nigel? i think it was a article in the a very measured article in the times. this where and times. this is where tony and i can agree on this— times. this is where tony and i can agree on this one- this is where tony and i can agree on this one that, wett— can agree on this one that, wett that-s— can agree on this one that, well, that's unusual. oh, that's _tree— well, that's unusual. oh, that's nice.-free speech- nice. obviously free speech shoutt— nice. obviously free speech should should— nice. obviously free speech should should trump everything etse— should should trump everything ese-happen— should should trump everything etse-happen to- should should trump everything else. happen to agree else. i don't happen to agree wtth— else. i don't happen to agree with _catherine- with catherine. catherine stost-s— with catherine. catherine stock's view— with catherine. catherine stock's view that a with catherine. catherine- stock's view that a-woman stock's view that a trans woman is stock's view that a trans woman ts—she- stock's view that a trans woman ts—she has- is not a woman, but she has every— is not a woman, but she has every rteht— is not a woman, but she has every rteht to— is not a woman, but she has every right to her- is not a woman, but she has every right to her opinion, every—hl every right to her opinion,l every—h ant every right to express it and shoutt— every right to express it and shoutt-so— every right to express it and should-so at— every right to express it and should .so at the - every right to express it and should so at the oxford union should do so at the oxford union tonteht—hetne- tonight without being being stoppet— tonight without being being stoppet-or- tonight without being being stopped. or cancelled. stopped. stopped or cancelled. tteht. — stopped. stopped or cancelled. tteht. wett— stopped. stopped or cancelled. tteht. wett tm— stopped. stopped or cancelled. md“ well, i'm going stopped. stopped or cancelled. 33“ well, i'm going to have right. well, i'm going to have to-hoth— right. well, i'm going to have to-hoth ot— right. well, i'm going to have to-both of-i'm- right. well, i'm going to have to-both of-i'm not. to stop both of you. i'm not sansetttne— to stop both of you. i'm not cancelling because you are cancelling you because you are somtne— cancelling you because you are somtne-tn— cancelling you because you are somtne-tn the— cancelling you because you are coming-in the next- cancelling you because you are coming in the next hour, coming back in the next hour, whtsh— coming back in the next hour, whtsh ts— coming back in the next hour, which is rather— coming back in the next hour, which is rather lovely. so much

more-come right— which is rather lovely. so much more come right in the next more to come right in the next tew— more to come right in the next tew moments— more to come right in the next few moments, we'll speaking few moments, we'll be speaking tolhh— few moments, we'll be speaking tolhh-the— few moments, we'll be speaking to pr the schofield to a pr expert as the schofield ssantat— to a pr expert as the schofield ssantatlttv— to a pr expert as the schofield scandal itv reaches a crisis scandal at itv reaches a crisis potnt. — scandal at itv reaches a crisis potnt. veat.— scandal at itv reaches a crisis point. yeah. plus,— scandal at itv reaches a crisis point. /titi“ tit“ti point. yeah. plus, pubs and restaurants, now restaurants, they are now pleading government for pleading with the government for actions on energy bills. we're going to be joined by a republican the break. republican after the break. more come on that in the next more to come on that in the next hour. — more to come on that in the next hour. vte-re— more to come on that in the next hour. we're-news— hour. we're gb news news, hrhtsh— hour. we're gb news news, british news— hour. we're gb news news, british news channel. hello. ares— british news channel. hello. atev heeean— british news channel. hello. alex deegan here with your latest update from the latest weather update from the met for gb news fine met office for gb news more fine weather to come today. in fact, for the rest of this week. it isn't sunny everywhere. quite a lot a cool lot of cloud and quite a cool breeze blowing across parts of the large area of the east. this large area of high will dominate our high pressure will dominate our weather . that's high pressure will dominate our weather. that's keeping weather. that's what's keeping things but around it, the things dry. but around it, the breeze picking up again over breeze is picking up again over the northern isles, but also coming across east anglia and coming in across east anglia and the coast of england. so the south coast of england. so quite a brisk breeze here and feeling quite a lot of cloud across eastern of across these eastern counties of england. some here staying england. so some here staying fairly with wind fairly glum. and with that wind off feeling pretty off the sea feeling pretty chilly, whereas for the west, lots and lots of sunshine and that's we'll see the top that's where we'll see the top temperatures, 24, perhaps temperatures, 23, 24, perhaps even and 1 or 2 places. even 25. and 1 or 2 places. whereas on that east coast will

struggle beyond the mid struggle to get beyond the mid teens and feeling colder because of that breeze . not a lot of of that breeze. not a lot of change through the evening . if change through the evening. if anything, overnight, that cloud will to push back in will start to push back in across the midlands and maybe even of wales, even into parts of wales, perhaps as far as the south perhaps even as far as the south west of england as well, and thickening up in eastern scotland, clearer skies could allow fog across allow some mist and fog across northern temperatures northern ireland. temperatures generally down to high single figures into wednesday. we do start with fairly glum skies for many actually see only the westernmost coast kind of poking out along with northern ireland seeing a sunny day. much of western scotland also now that cloud should break up in quite a few places. but again, the east coast of england, east coast of scotland and on wednesday quite a bit of the midlands may stay fairly cloudy if does, fairly cloudy and if it does, temperatures will struggle again fairly cloudy and if it does, ttfeeling ures will struggle again fairly cloudy and if it does, ttfeeling ures vcoldtruggle again fairly cloudy and if it does, ttfeeling ures vcold orggle again fairly cloudy and if it does, ttfeeling ures vcold or the again fairly cloudy and if it does, ttfeeling ures vcold or the wind�*i , feeling quite cold or the wind coming in from the north sea . coming in from the north sea. but for the west, again in the sunshine , temperatures getting sunshine, temperatures getting into the mid 20s perhaps again dudng into the mid 20s perhaps again during wednesday evening. that cloud is likely to come back

inland as we go through the overnight period. the weather kind of not really shifting much throughout week. throughout this week. high pressure things dry , pressure keeping things dry, often cloudy with a brisk often quite cloudy with a brisk breeze plenty of breeze in the east. plenty of sunshine in in the west. goodbye

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news with erin armstrong. good morntne— news with erin armstrong. good morntne to— news with erin armstrong. good morntne to you. — news with erin armstrong. good morning to you. it— news with erin armstrong. good morning to you. c morning to you. it is a minute past 11, aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. the cabinet office has told the covid 19 inquiry it doesn't have the unredacted messages sent by the former prime minister, boris johnson, during lockdown. now, previously , ministers refused to previously, ministers refused to hand over the documents, arguing they're not obligated to disclose what they've described as unambiguously irrelevant material. the inquiry chair baroness hallett has disagreed with that and has accused ministers of misunder standing the breadth of the investigation . she's extended the deadline to produce the documents from 4:00 pm this afternoon until thursday. a spokesperson says the former prime minister does not object to disclosing this evidence . eamonn holmes has evidence. eamonn holmes has described his former colleague phillip schofield, as a chief narcissist, accusing him of creating a toxic culture at itv's this morning. schofield resigned from the broadcaster

and was dropped by his agency after admitting to an affair with a young male colleague on the programme, which he'd previously lied about in a gb news exclusive former this morning host eamonn holmes says he believes executives at itv knew about and covered up the affair to protect phillip and holly willoughby as well as the brand. eamonn also told us these revelations have given other former this morning contributors the confidence to come forward. someone sent me this message tast— someone sent me this message tast nteht— someone sent me this message tast nteht .— someone sent me this message last night. hello,— someone sent me this message last night. hello, eamonn. i hope— last night. hello, eamonn. i hope you— last night. hello, eamonn. i hope you ant— last night. hello, eamonn. i hope you and ruth are well. just wantet— hope you and ruth are well. just wantet to— hope you and ruth are well. just wanted to tell— hope you and ruth are well. just wanted to tell you— hope you and ruth are well. just wanted to tell you that the whote — wanted to tell you that the whole phillip— wanted to tell you that the whole phillip schofield scandal has astuatty— whole phillip schofield scandal has actually given me many x thts— has actually given me many x thts morntne.— has actually given me many x this morning. staff the courage to thaw— this morning. staff the courage to finally speak— this morning. staff the courage to finally speak out. i left thts— to finally speak out. i left this morning— to finally speak out. i left this morning with a payout and i had this morning with a payout and i hat to— this morning with a payout and i hat to sten— this morning with a payout and i hat to sten a— this morning with a payout and i had to sign a non—disclosure aereement— had to sign a non—disclosure aereement to— had to sign a non—disclosure agreement to cover up the huttytne— agreement to cover up the huttytne ant— agreement to cover up the bullying and power abuse. well tamom— bullying and power abuse. well tamom atso— bullying and power abuse. well eamonn also stressed that any potenttat— eamonn also stressed that any potential cover— eamonn also stressed that any potential cover up at the broadcaster— potential cover up at the broadcaster may have been the esuh— broadcaster may have been the resutt ot— broadcaster may have been the result of incompetence . e�*l

result of incompetence. earlier in result of incompetence. earlier tn a— result of incompetence. earlier in a statement,— result of incompetence. earlier in a statement, itv confirmed it investigated rumours of a relationship between schofield and a fellow employee and both parties categorically and repeatedly denied the rumours, as did schofield's agent. repeatedly denied the rumours, as did schofield's agent . food as did schofield's agent. food inflation has slowed slightly. in may, after a year of record rises, but overall inflation in shops rose to an all time high. the rate fell slightly . to 15.4% the rate fell slightly. to 15.4% in the year to may, compared with 15.7% in april. that's according to the british retail consortium. prices for fresh food like milk and fruit have fallen marginally. that's been ddven fallen marginally. that's been driven by lower energy costs . driven by lower energy costs. but the price of room temperature items like coffee and chocolate has jumped. and it all means the groceries that cost £20 a year ago will now cost £20 a year ago will now cost around £23. meanwhile while hospitality businesses are asking the government for more support to help deal with rising costs, pubs , bars and costs, pubs, bars and restaurants say they're average bills have increased least by

81. eight out of ten establishments say they're being pushed to breaking point . the pushed to breaking point. the prime minister says feminist professor kathleen stock should be allowed to deliver a speech at oxford university. rishi sunak says the debate is a hallmark of a tolerant society. but the university's lgbtq+ society says it is standing up for trans rights. professor stock quit her job at the university of sussex after being targeted by activists over her views on gender identity. she questioned the idea the gender identity is more significant than biological sex. in a book published in 2021. at least one person has been killed in kyiv after russia attacked the city for the third time in 24 hours. ukrainian authorities say more than 20 drones were intercepted . at the air defences did their job. authorities say although

several buildings were damaged, the latest strike is moscow's 17th attack on kyiv this month . 17th attack on kyiv this month. meanwhile, russia's accused ukraine of launching a terrorist strike on moscow this morning. the kremlin claims drone attacks caused minor damage to several buildings as russia's defence ministry says all eight drones, though, were intercepted . did though, were intercepted. did the royal college of psychiatrists say there's not enough time to establish a new system to protect vulnerable people? the met office say they will no longer attend mental health incidents from september unless there's a threat to life. so that officers can focus on crime . however, post—natal crime. however, post—natal depression survivor ivana pmqs says those battling mental health illness won't have anywhere to turn . when you're anywhere to turn. when you're reatty— anywhere to turn. when you're reatty strueettne— anywhere to turn. when you're really struggling ,— anywhere to turn. when you're really struggling , you- when you're really struggling , you don't really struggling, you don't have— really struggling, you don't have otten— really struggling, you don't have often the— really struggling, you don't have often the time to think who shoutt— have often the time to think who shoutt t— have often the time to think who shoutt t satt— have often the time to think who should i call or— have often the time to think who should i call or what should i toe— should i call or what should i he ant— should i call or what should i he ant the— should i call or what should i do? and the number 999 is soehow— do? and the number 999 is somehow how— do? and the number 999 is somehow how it's engraved in our

hratns— somehow how it's engraved in our hratns ant— somehow how it's engraved in our hratns ant when— somehow how it's engraved in our brains and when we— somehow how it's engraved in our brains and when we call the pottse— brains and when we call the pottse .— brains and when we call the pottse . we— brains and when we call the police , we have— brains and when we call the police , we have the reason for police, we have the reason for that— police, we have the reason for that .— police, we have the reason for that . ant— police, we have the reason for that . and sometimes you don't that. and sometimes you don't even know when— that. and sometimes you don't even know when the situation is that. — even know when the situation is severe that, you— even know when the situation is severe that, you know, it's a the— severe that, you know, it's a life threatening— severe that, you know, it's a life threatening some. sometimes it's life threatening some. sometimes h-s tust— life threatening some. sometimes h-s iust hart— life threatening some. sometimes he he hart to— life threatening some. sometimes it's just hard to say— life threatening some. sometimes it's just hard to say. life threatening some. sometimes it's just hard to say . it's just hard to say. finally, the— it's just hard to say. finally, the government is promising to crack down on vaping campaigns targeting children. they're saying they'll close the loophole allowing retailers to give free samples to children. in england, the prime minister said earlier he is prepared to take further action to regulate the market and the promotion of vapesif the market and the promotion of vapes if necessary. the government will also review banning retailers selling nicotine free vapes to those under the age of 18. this is gb news we will bring you more as it happens. as always now it is back to andrew and dawn .

back to andrew and dawn. well, more shenanigans with bods well, more shenanigans with boris johnson and the covid inquiry . so boris johnson and the covid inquiry. so the boris johnson and the covid inquiry . so the deadline for the inquiry. so the deadline for the eovernment— inquiry. so the deadline for the eovernment to— inquiry. so the deadline for the government to give— “ti. ”g so the deadline for the government to give the covid inquiry/r— government to give the covid inquiry nons— government to give the covid inquiry, boris johnson's whatsapp— inquiry, boris johnson's whatsapp and diaries was supposet— whatsapp and diaries was supposet to— whatsapp and diaries was supposed to expire at 4:00 totay.— supposed to expire at 4:00 totay. hs— supposed to expire at 4:00 today. it's been— supposed to expire at 4:00 today. it's been extended until thurstay. — today. it's been extended until thurstay. the— today. it's been extended until thursday. the cabinet office says— thursday. the cabinet office says he— thursday. the cabinet office says he doesn't— thursday. the cabinet office says he doesn't have them anyway . have— says he doesn't have them anyway . have then— says he doesn't have them anyway . have them now.— says he doesn't have them anyway . have them now. i— says he doesn't have them anyway . have them now. i get- says he doesn't have them anyway . have them now. i get the- . have them now. i get the impression the way things are going this is more up than conspiracy . i think so. don't conspiracy. i think so. don't you, baroness hallett, the inquiry's chairwoman, wanted to see all the messages between johnson , sunak hancock and johnson, sunak hancock and dozens of others in unredacted form. so dozens of others in unredacted form . so our deputy political form. so our deputy political ethos— form. so our deputy political ethos tom — so our deputy political editor, tom harwood here to umvet— editor, tom harwood here to umvet h— editor, tom harwood here to unravel it all— editor, tom harwood here to unravel it all for— editor, tom harwood here to unravel it all for us. morning, tom.— unravel it all for us. morning, tom. so— unravel it all for us. morning, tom. so so— unravel it all for us. morning, tom. so so when— unravel it all for us. morning, tom. so so when did they realise they— tom. so so when did they realise they tttn-t— tom. so so when did they realise they didn't have— tom. so so when did they realise they didn't have boris johnson's ttartes— they didn't have boris johnson's ttartes ant— they didn't have boris johnson's diaries and whatsapp messages hesause— diaries and whatsapp messages hesause h— diaries and whatsapp messages because it was— diaries and whatsapp messages because it was all— diaries and whatsapp messages because it was all supposed to because it was all supposed to he teen— because it was all supposed to be been resolved— because it was all supposed to be been resolved at 4:00 this atternoon— be been resolved at 4:00 this atternoon e— be been resolved at 4:00 this afternoon ? it— be been resolved at 4:00 this afternoon ? it was— be been resolved at 4:00 this afternoon ? it was all supposed afternoon? it was all supposed to he— afternoon? it was all supposed to be resolved,— afternoon? it was all supposed to be resolved, but of course there— to be resolved, but of course there has— to be resolved, but of course there has been— to be resolved, but of course there has been a— to be resolved, but of course there has been a great deal of

consternation— there has been a great deal of consternation within government ahout— consternation within government ahout thts— consternation within government about this issue— consternation within government about this issue for quite some ttme. — about this issue for quite some ttme. h— about this issue for quite some ttme. rt we— about this issue for quite some time. if we remember- about this issue for quite some time. �*7 i about this issue for quite some time. �*7 time. if we remember back to the context perhaps surrounding this, we need to look back at the so—called lockdown files published by the telegraph. that was when matt hancock gave over his entire whatsapp record to the journalist isabel oakeshott. and in breach of a in breach of a certain agreements , we saw a certain agreements, we saw those messages end up all across the news. now this inquiry , this the news. now this inquiry, this covid inquiry is asking for the records not just of matt hancock , but also of boris johnson, of liz truss, of rishi sunak, have all senior members of the government and understandably, perhaps they're a little bit wary of where those messages and indeed all of that content might end up. and so what we are seeing now within the government is a bit of resistance to what the inquiry is asking for, the inquiry asking of course for us

unredacted and in full the records, the diary entries of bods records, the diary entries of boris johnson, the whatsapp records of all of these senior government figures, the government, however , cabinet government, however, cabinet office saying that they should decide what is relevant to this inquiry that potentially diary entries about meetings that have nothing to do with covid are not most important and not particularly relevant to this inquiry. however there of course, what we've heard on the side of the inquiry is that they would like to see everything so that they get to decide what is relevant and they're saying that not everything will be published in but they should in the inquiry, but they should be see of the be able to see all of the documents. and this is where this standoff has been brewing for several days. as for whether or not the cabinet office has actually known what information it holds, that's relatively unclear. where is this going to go, unclear. where is this going to got home— unclear. where is this going to gov home there— unclear. where is this going to go, tom? there is—

unclear. where is this going to go, tom? there is a— c. i where is this going to go, tom? there is a big, big euestton— go, tom? there is a big, big euestton as— go, tom? there is a big, big question as to— go, tom? there is a big, big question as to whether the eovernment— question as to whether the government decides to judicially wetehe— government decides to judicially review the inquiry— government decides to judicially review the inquiry and the tenant— review the inquiry and the tenant ot— review the inquiry and the demand of this inquiry , which demand of this inquiry, which soutt— demand of this inquiry, which soutt ttst— demand of this inquiry, which could kick the— demand of this inquiry, which could kick the can to the high court— could kick the can to the high court ant— could kick the can to the high court and could— could kick the can to the high court and could see the government— court and could see the government really spending quite atah— government really spending quite atatr th— government really spending quite atatr htt ot— government really spending quite a fair bit of taxpayers cash on epenshe— a fair bit of taxpayers cash on expensive lawyers trying to say that— expensive lawyers trying to say that hs— expensive lawyers trying to say that h-s up— expensive lawyers trying to say that h-s up to— expensive lawyers trying to say that it's up to them to decide what— that it's up to them to decide what eoes— that it's up to them to decide what goes into— that it's up to them to decide what goes into this inquiry, rather— what goes into this inquiry, rather than— what goes into this inquiry, rather than those who run it. of rather than those who run it. or course— rather than those who run it. of course, some— rather than those who run it. of course, some might- rather than those who run it. of course, some might say, well , the government drew up the terms and the remit of the inquiry itself. so potentially that was a fault of the government's own making back at the start of this process. but in two weeks this inquiry is expected to get going in its formal capacity and it needs to be collecting this evidence . so be collecting this evidence. so if there is a judicial review , if there is a judicial review, if there is a judicial review, if this is heard in the high court, that would be sooner rather than later. and tom, what's the what's the feeling in in parliament at the moment about the fact that we haven't even they haven't even got these

diaries and whatsapp messages? i mean, are people going, oh, sot.— i mean, are people going, oh, sot. t— i mean, are people going, oh, sot. t mean— i mean, are people going, oh, god. i mean, there must be sort of god. i mean, there must be sort ot the.— god. i mean, there must be sort ot we, r— god. i mean, there must be sort ot we, r ton-t— god. i mean, there must be sort of like, i don't know, a certain amount— of like, i don't know, a certain mount ot— of like, i don't know, a certain amount of humour about the sonustton— amount of humour about the confusion over— amount of humour about the confusion over this . well confusion over this. well i thtnt— confusion over this. well i thtnt that— confusion over this. well i think that the— confusion over this. well i think that the overriding teettne— think that the overriding feeling from _ think that the overriding feeling from those who are potenttatty— feeling from those who are potentially implicated in in these— potentially implicated in in these requests— potentially implicated in in these requests for information is these requests for information ts that— these requests for information ts that we— these requests for information is that we don't— these requests for information is that we don't want to end up the— is that we don't want to end up the hat— is that we don't want to end up like matt hancock. 07 ti.tit. like matt hancock. of course, hatt— like matt hancock. of course, matt hancock handed over all of his information and to some extent it came back to bite him . really. there are so many people concerned that things that they said that weren't to do with the pandemic might end up in the wrong people's hands. or as we've seen in through this government , sort of end or as we've seen in through this government, sort of end up leaking its way one way or another into the press . we've another into the press. we've seen that in many different departments, in many different contexts . so there is fear. contexts. so there is fear. i would i don't think is too strong a term from some of those implicated. however, of course, there are many in parliament who

have been calling for this inquiry to get going sooner, rather who want it to have unfettered access to all of the communications options and who are concerned that if it's the politicians or the government saying what is the information thatis saying what is the information that is relevant rather than the independent statutory inquiry, things could be missed . things could be missed. fascinating. it is fascinating , fascinating. it is fascinating, tsn-t— fascinating. it is fascinating, he he — fascinating. it is fascinating, isn't it? tom _ fascinating. it is fascinating, isn't it? i fascinating. it is fascinating, isn't it? tom harwood thank you very much and very, very loud. where you are, tom. so well done there for getting the explaining. it so well. do you think boris knows— “ “ti c do you think boris knows where these vvhatsapp— think boris knows where these whatsapp messages are? these ttartes— whatsapp messages are? these ttartes are— whatsapp messages are? these diaries are, aren't— whatsapp messages are? these diaries are, aren't they? was a ereat— diaries are, aren't they? was never a great one for detail. no that-s— never a great one for detail. no thats true. — never a great one for detail. no that-strue. — never a great one for detail. no that's true. written- never a great one for detail. no that's true. hit” i“ i that's true. written down diaries. understand diaries. i can understand you putting but doesn't your putting in a but doesn't your phone whatsapp messages? phone store whatsapp messages? i don't i'm a bit of a don't know. i'm a bit of a numpty. it's not it's too teshntsat— numpty. it's not it's too technical for— numpty. it's not it's too technical for me.- it's not it's too technical for me. look, we're eetttne— technical for me. look, we're eetttne-texts- technical for me. look, we're getting-texts and- technical for me. look, we're getting texts and emails getting lots of texts and emails somtne— getting lots of texts and emails somtne tn.— getting lots of texts and emails coming in. food— getting lots of texts and emails coming in. food prices. a lot of peopte— coming in. food prices. a lot of peopte are— coming in. food prices. a lot of people are talking— coming in. food prices. a lot of people are talking about that. htshart— people are talking about that. richard squabbling richard says stop squabbling wtth— with the supermarkets, just tower—we- with the supermarkets, just- lower_we - have lower our taxes so we can have ot— lower our taxes so we can have more of our own— lower our taxes so we can have more of our own money to pay nomat— more of our own money to pay normat—euhel normal market prices. quite rteht. — normal market prices. quite rteht. tteh— normal market prices. quite right. well-yeah,- normal market prices. quite right. well / normal market prices. quite. right. well-yeah, but it's right. well said. yeah, but it's the supermarket outfits that are profiteering as well. so that's.

yeah, right. and leon says, good morning, such morning, leon. i'm against such measures as it deters competition. however i'm against unjustified profiteering and that's my point. there's supermarkets making a lot of money. if their profit margin doesn't reflect the cost of living , will living crisis, there will be unrest. and on the whatsapp row boris.— unrest. and on the whatsapp row over boris, eileen— unrest. and on the whatsapp row over boris, eileen says— c. ”cle and on the whatsapp row over boris, eileen says if boris johnson— over boris, eileen says if boris johnson has— over boris, eileen says if boris johnson has to— over boris, eileen says if boris johnson has to hand his whatsapp messages, does that mean everyone's accounts everyone's private accounts could— everyone's private accounts could-pumic- everyone's private accounts- could-public domain, could be in the public domain, forcing— could be in the public domain, forcing .johnson_ could be in the public domain, forcing .johnson to- could be in the public domain, forcing johnson to release forcing mrjohnson to release his-whatsapp- forcing mrjohnson to release his whatsapp messages his private whatsapp messages is the-slippery— his private whatsapp messages is titi-slippery slope- the start of a slippery slope for au— the start of a slippery slope for an of— the start of a slippery slope for all of us.— the start of a slippery slope for all of us. well, thank you , for all of us. well, thank you, me... — for all of us. well, thank you, me... vou— for all of us. well, thank you, eileen. you know— for all of us. well, thank you, eileen. /:::. , for all of us. well, thank you, eileen. 43. , eileen. you know what.7 i was just read eileen's message, just i read eileen's message, and thinking exactly the and i was thinking exactly the same . and was just same thing. and i was just thinking, you if thinking, seriously, if you if i handed my phone over to you now, would i want reading my would i want you reading all my whatsapp messages because my mum's sorry, whatsapp messages because my mum':but, sorry, whatsapp messages because my mum':but, you sorry, whatsapp messages because my mum':but, you know, sorry, whatsapp messages because my mum':but, you know, it's orry, whatsapp messages because my mum':but, you know, it's like, mum, but, you know, it's like, you know, i'm still alive. why haven't you phoned me.7 that's about exciting gets. about as exciting as it gets. i'm but i know what i'm sorry. yeah but i know what other messages whatsapp other sort of messages whatsapp messages. them to messages. stop sending them to messages. stop sending them to me then. honestly, i've told you before. talking before. all right. and talking of which, other eamonn of which, in other news, eamonn holmes was holmes has claimed there was a total cover up over phillip

schofield's with schofield's affair with a younger man. in an exclusive interview news itv , of interview with gb news itv, of course, the course, strongly denies the allegations, saying they investigated rumours of a investigated when rumours of a relationship first surfaced. but parties categorically but both parties categorically and— but both parties categorically and repeatedly— but both parties categorically and repeatedly denied them . and repeatedly denied them. yes:— and repeatedly denied them. ves. indeed.— and repeatedly denied them. yes, indeed, our— and repeatedly denied them. yes, indeed, our reporters took to the streets this morning to see what you think about this ongoing schofield saga and whether you believe itv is excuse. they didn't know anything back? i think so. d........y_ anything back? i think so. definitely .— anything back? i think so. definitely i mean,- anything back? i think so. definitely i mean, if- g f“ i think so. definitely i mean, if you look at the— definitely i mean, if you look at the sac— definitely i mean, if you look at the bbc with— definitely i mean, if you look at the bbc with with jemmy and all at the bbc with with jemmy and an the— at the bbc with with jemmy and ah the other— at the bbc with with jemmy and all the other scandals going on, they— all the other scandals going on, they knew— all the other scandals going on, they knew about— all the other scandals going on, they knew about it. ”h3; they knew about it. i'm sure you-he— they knew about it. i'm sure you're telling me that he couldn't they couldn't find nothing about what has happened . and i think that's absolutely rubbish . . and i think that's absolutely rubbish. he's . and i think that's absolutely rubbish . he's done a good job rubbish. he's done a good job this morning, but overall, i don't think that's a good job. i just feel like it's all hard to hehevh— i just feel like it's all hard to believe, to— i just feel like it's all hard to believe, to be honest. ohvhoush— to believe, to be honest. obviously you've heard the rumours in that— obviously you've heard the rumours in that on circulating ehhhe— rumours in that on circulating ehhhela— rumours in that on circulating online.a while,— rumours in that on circulating online a while, but um, online for a while, but um, i wash-h— online for a while, but um, i wasn't surprised— online for a while, but um, i wasn't surprised when person online for a while, but um, i wasn"out'prised when person online for a while, but um, i wasn"out because hen person online for a while, but um, i wasn"out because of1 person online for a while, but um, i wasn"out because of that erson online for a while, but um, i wasn"out because of that reason. came out because of that reason. huh— came out because of that reason. huh yeah— came out because of that reason. hue yeah h— came out because of that reason. huh yeah, h een-h— came out because of that reason. but yeah, i don't know. i feel he— but yeah, i don't know. i feel hike-have— but yeah, i don't know. i feel like-have been- but yeah, i don't know. i feel like have been hiding like they have been hiding something.— like they have been hiding something. know i like they have been hiding something.-know i mean? something. you know what i mean? butldon't— something. you know what i mean?

butldon't knew.— something. you know what i mean? butldon't hhew. — something. you know what i mean? butidon't know. i'm— something. you know what i mean? but don't know. ”h3; but i don't know. i'm sure they did. i'm sure that the rumours have round and they have been going round and they know was going know exactly what was going on. i was disappointed in i was really disappointed in philip because really liked i was really disappointed in philiandecause really liked i was really disappointed in philiand iause really liked i was really disappointed in philiand i think really liked i was really disappointed in philiand i think spoilt liked i was really disappointed in philiand i think spoilt theed him and i think spoilt the effect. holly no, she hasn't done any wrong. so surprise. should be punished or put should she be punished or put off? obviously there was off? i mean, obviously there was talk it before and now talk about it before and now it's all come out in the wash, but i don't know if it's still worth that person or not. but disappointed in him that he wasn't honest and upfront . wasn't honest and upfront. well, let's get some analysis hem— well, let's get some analysis from the— well, let's get some analysis from the he— well, let's get some analysis from the pr expert, mark herheweh — from the pr expert, mark borkowski .— from the pr expert, mark borkowski . no stranger to this borkowski. no stranger to this programme.— borkowski. no stranger to this programme. morning, mark. two questions.— programme. morning, mark. two queehehe. h— programme. morning, mark. two questions. is there— programme. morning, mark. two questions. is there any possible eemeheeh— questions. is there any possible comeback for— questions. is there any possible comeback for phillip schofield in comeback for phillip schofield h any— comeback for phillip schofield hn any shape— comeback for phillip schofield hn any shape an— comeback for phillip schofield in any shape or form ? and do you in any shape or form? and do you think— in any shape or form? and do you think hehy— in any shape or form? and do you think holly and— in any shape or form? and do you think holly and this— in any shape or form? and do you think holly and this morning has a hang— think holly and this morning has a tone henn— think holly and this morning has a long term future— think holly and this morning has a long term future as well ? i a long term future as well? i think— a long term future as well? i think he— a long term future as well? i think he very,— a long term future as well? i think it's very, very unlikely n...— think it's very, very unlikely that hhhhh— think it's very, very unlikely that phillip schofield will find his way— that phillip schofield will find hhe nay nach— that phillip schofield will find his way back onto mainstream tv . unen— his way back onto mainstream tv . linen. yea— his way back onto mainstream tv . listen, you never— his way back onto mainstream tv . listen, you never know. - his way back onto mainstream tv . listen, you never know. life is very strange and you know, there could be a format

somewhere looking for him. but in terms of the size of audience and scale of television, he did nothing like that . holly is nothing like that. holly is different . i mean, she's she's different. i mean, she's she's certainly a big hope for itv . certainly a big hope for itv. and i think they will be looking to protect her and certainly her agent will be looking to protect her. she's got a host of really lucrative commercial deals and living in the commercial tv space is much better to be a big star than than perhaps being on the bbc with all the regulations now being thrust upon personalities . so i think that personalities. so i think that it's going to be difficult for her to come back to the sofa. i think they must rethink what this morning is going to be without to anchoring hosts of that sort of scale . but i think that sort of scale. but i think that sort of scale. but i think that you wouldn't write off holly willoughby and the power thatis holly willoughby and the power that is vested behind her, because ultimately, holly, this

is where it all started . and is where it all started. and when it came to be the place where they wanted to put their hope and future in, it was was holly before all the sort of machinations of the soap opera becomes public. mark, i don't hnon— becomes public. mark, i don't know h— becomes public. mark, i don't knew if yea— becomes public. mark, i don't know if you saw— f ti. mark, i don't know if you saw amanda into her han— know if you saw amanda into her nan heathen— know if you saw amanda into her dan wootton last— know if you saw amanda into her dan wootton last night on gb hens— dan wootton last night on gb news news.— dan wootton last night on gb news news. what do you make of the revelation _ news news. what do you make of the revelation that— news news. what do you make of the revelation that came out of n...— the revelation that came out of that e — the revelation that came out of that e h— the revelation that came out of hate h hen-e— the revelation that came out of that ? i don't know- the revelation that came out of that ? i don't know .- the revelation that came out of that? 3 c the revelation that came out of that ? 3 " c �*fh�*a that? i don't know. what is the truth. i mean, people all i know that if you're working for a corporate organisation , you corporate organisation, you cannot start making decisions based on rumour and if you put your talent in a room and you look them straight between the eyes and ask them a question and they deny it, then what do you do? you say, oh no, i've looked at the internet and i've looked at the internet and i've looked at i've looked at at twitter, i've looked at tiktok, you're to tiktok, and you're bang to rights. there are things like, you contracts now , now you know, contracts now, now with any organisation asian, there are always rumour and gossip. there's always tittle tattle, whether it's a big

television program or you know, some local business. so i think that, you know, dan wootton , that, you know, dan wootton, who's figures are going through the roof at the moment, if you if you look at the internet and you look at eamonn, this is their moment. one would suggest cynically to tell their truth, but also to exploit the situation as many other media organisations are doing. there's nothing better for business than a crisis . where would we be? and a crisis. where would we be? and particularly over a bank holiday where people are parallel and not able to do anything . so we not able to do anything. so we love a crisis. we love stories and you know, they are pretty revelations , but at the end of revelations, but at the end of the day, i think a lot of people would say, you know, is there an element of sour grapes there or is there something more to that? now, i'm dissing, you know, now, i'm not dissing, you know, eamonn holmes is a is a great broadcaster. is broadcaster. dan wootton is a formidable force. so they have a lot of influence . and i think

lot of influence. and i think that's what's keeping the story running at the moment. but the question is, if this dies off and there are there's nothing more add to it the public and the media will get bored with it . the big question is , is there . the big question is, is there more to come ? and i would bet. more to come? and i would bet. my more to come? and i would bet. my bet my bottom dollar at the moment that there is a price , a moment that there is a price, a bounty on the heads of other people very close to this to spill the beans in the old days where there was big money from tabloid newspapers, there would be a significant sum of money available for the person in question who i believe is deep in hiding at the moment for his story . if that doesn't come out story. if that doesn't come out in this dissipates and audience figures don't die off if share pnces figures don't die off if share prices remain silent. you can ride this storm, but it does have to come back and does have

to look different. if it's going to look different. if it's going to regain more importantly, above all, public trust. public trust in the program that they're it's their friend. it's a significant part of the itv morning architecture . mark, just morning architecture. mark, just one final morning architecture. mark, just hnahyehy— morning architecture. mark, just one final very quick— g at." 133 ”n3; mark, just one final very quick question for one final very quick question hen yea. — one final very quick question hen yea. the— one final very quick question hen yea. he he— one final very quick question for you. we do believe the young hn— for you. we do believe the young man in question— for you. we do believe the young man in question is— for you. we do believe the young man in question is considering eehhne— man in question is considering eehhne hn— man in question is considering selling his story.— man in question is considering selling his story. what would year— selling his story. what would your advice— selling his story. what would your advice be— selling his story. what would your advice be to him? would you anne— your advice be to him? would you advise hhn — your advice be to him? would you advise hhn ae— your advice be to him? would you advise him to sell— your advice be to him? would you advise him to sell that story or teea— advise him to sell that story or just ae— advise him to sell that story or just he keep— advise him to sell that story or just to keep quiet? now look, rye— just to keep quiet? now look, he been— just to keep quiet? now look, he been hn— just to keep quiet? now look, i've been in this— just to keep quiet? now look, i've been in this business too many— i've been in this business too many years— i've been in this business too many yeane ana— i've been in this business too many years and the toxicity of fame.— many years and the toxicity of tame. the— many years and the toxicity of fame, the toxicity— many years and the toxicity of fame, the toxicity of these ehaahene — fame, the toxicity of these situations, whether you're in penhe— situations, whether you're in penhe the,— situations, whether you're in public life, is— situations, whether you're in public life, is corrosive and we have— public life, is corrosive and we have seen recently the effects of have seen recently the effects at tene— have seen recently the effects of toxic fame— have seen recently the effects of toxic fame with people like canehne— of toxic fame with people like caroline flack— of toxic fame with people like caroline flack or— of toxic fame with people like caroline flack or whatever , caroline flack or whatever, whene— caroline flack or whatever, where h— caroline flack or whatever, where i think— caroline flack or whatever, where i think whoever is hnyehea— where i think whoever is involved with _ where i think whoever is involved with this needs to do the heet— involved with this needs to do the heat job— involved with this needs to do the best job for—

involved with this needs to do the best job for protecting this penan— the best job for protecting this heeen hen — the best job for protecting this person from doing the wrong thing- — person from doing the wrong ahhng. ana— person from doing the wrong thing. ' 3 person from doing the wrong thing. 3 person from doing the wrong- thing. and sometimes, you know , thing. and sometimes, you know, a mental health is far more valued than . the tens or 20 of valued than. the tens or 20 of thousands of pounds and the horrendous upturn in life that things are coming . i would know things are coming. i would know things are coming. i would know things are coming. i would know things are very, very different age now and, you know, those who make a pact with the devil have to live with that for the rest of their lives. that's great. thank— of their lives. that's great. hhanh yea— of their lives. that's great. thank you very— 3 l that's great. thank you very much for joining us thank you very much for joining as a— thank you very much for joining as at nah— thank you very much for joining us at mark borowski, a pr expert . ana— us at mark borowski, a pr expert . and he— us at mark borowski, a pr expert . and he certainly— us at mark borowski, a pr expert . and he certainly is. and neahye— . and he certainly is. and really? yeah— . and he certainly is. and really? yeah she very much food for really? yeah she very much food her though— really? yeah she very much food for thought there— really? yeah she very much food for thought there . �*fyt3ll for thought there. well, canhne— for thought there. well, caroline flack there was a yeah, she's involved in a scandal. she was the presenter of love island and she regretted she took her own yes philip stuck own life. yes philip stuck gophers good friends. he's gophers got good friends. he's got family. yes. he's a strange wife and daughters. he's still close , obviously, we close to them, obviously, we hope. but i still think this story has got further to run. i think he's got further to come.

but we do have to be aware that it but we do have to be aware that h hae— but we do have to be aware that n has gea— but we do have to be aware that n has got a— but we do have to be aware that it has got a wife.— but we do have to be aware that it has got a wife. he's got an 85 it has got a wife. he's got an as year— it has got a wife. he's got an es yean aha— it has got a wife. he's got an 85 year old mum,— it has got a wife. he's got an 85 year old mum, and i do feel actually,— 85 year old mum, and i do feel aeaaahy. ae— 85 year old mum, and i do feel aeaaahy. as a— 85 year old mum, and i do feel actually, as a woman, sorry for ef— actually, as a woman, sorry for at he— actually, as a woman, sorry for some of the women that have been dragged— some of the women that have been dragged-anh— some of the women that have been dragged-this mess.— some of the women that have been dragged this mess. you dragged into this mess. you knew.— dragged into this mess. you knew. hea— dragged into this mess. you know, poor old _ dragged into this mess. you know, poor old mum, philip's mum, because— know, poor old mum, philip's mum, because not is her son mum, because not only is her son hhhhh— mum, because not only is her son hhhhh hnhheahng— mum, because not only is her son philip imploding in— mum, because not only is her son philip imploding in public, but her philip imploding in public, but hen-een— philip imploding in public, but hen-een hae— philip imploding in public, but her-son has been- philip imploding in public, but her son has been to her other son has been sent to enhan— her other son has been sent to prison—for- prison for five years for paedophilia_ prison for five years for paedophilia . v433" i prison for five years for paedophilia . 4 i wouldn't paedophilia. yeah. iwouldn't w...— paedophilia. yeah. iwouldn't wanna— paedophilia. yeah. iwouldn't wanna he— paedophilia. yeah. iwouldn't want to be waking— paedophilia. 4 i wouldn't want to be waking up seeing these— want to be waking up seeing these-every- want to be waking up seeing these every morning if these papers every morning if i nae-any— these papers every morning if i nae-any ease— these papers every morning if i was-any case still- these papers every morning if i was any case still to come, was her any case still to come, nuhe— was her any case still to come, pubs-appealing— was her any case still to come, pubs appealing for more pubs are appealing for more government— pubs are appealing for more government-as- pubs are appealing for more government as energy government support as energy hue— government support as energy hhhe eea— government support as energy bills soar-over— government support as energy bills soar over 80. we'll be bills soar to over 80. we'll be sheathe— bills soar to over 80. we'll be eneahng ae— bills soar to over 80. we'll be speaking to one— bills soar to over 80. we'll be speaking to one pub owner on n...— speaking to one pub owner on what he— speaking to one pub owner on what can— speaking to one pub owner on what more can done to help what more can be done to help year— what more can be done to help your wtth—

gb news the people's. channel it's gb news the people's. channel i he the.— gb news the people's. channel - it's 1126. you're— gb news the people's. channel - it's 1126. you're with- it's 1126. you're with andrew pearson? gb news. pearson? dawn neesom on gb news. this to the point british this is to the point the british pub culture is being threatened by the current energy crisis with average publicans seeing their go up by 80% in the their bills go up by 80% in the last year. i like to say i'm doing my bit to save them. by the way. well done. pub- the way. well done. pub owners the— the way. well done. pub owners the hat— the way. well done. pub owners like mark bridgen_ the way. well done. pub owners like mark bridgen are calling for like mark bridgen are calling ten the— like mark bridgen are calling for the government take for the government to take aetten— for the government to take aetten ta — for the government to take action to -with - for the government to take action to with the enormous action to help with the enormous eeets— action to help with the enormous eeets et— action to help with the enormous costs of operating— action to help with the enormous costs of operating their haetneee— costs of operating their business is. - costs of operating their business is. costs of operating their- business is. so mark is joining us from the dog. is it the dog? the dog at wingham in kent mark morning . morning. it's energy , morning. morning. it's energy, of course. if you can explain to viewers and listeners, why is energy such a big part of your overheads ? well, you know, most overheads? well, you know, most peopte— overheads? well, you know, most peopte natehtne— overheads? well, you know, most people watching run— overheads? well, you know, most people watching run a— 3 , well, you know, most people watching run a home and they-tt— people watching run a home and they-tt he— people watching run a home and they'll be heating— people watching run a home and they'll be heating it and tentnt— they'll be heating it and ttghttng ht.— they'll be heating it and ttghttng tt. — they'll be heating it and lighting it. wig. they'll be heating it and lighting it. well, this is one massive home and we have, you

know, 500 people dying here every week and sort of 50 people stay here. and so, as you can imagine, our energy bills are critical and they're huge pre the pre the crisis , we were the pre the crisis, we were around £3,000 a month for gas and electric. that was the average farage. and that that worked out. we're now seeing our bills each month anything between 7 and £10,000 for gas and electric that's tripled . and electric that's tripled. yeah it's i'm speaking to lots of yeah it's i'm speaking to lots at tete— yeah it's i'm speaking to lots at hats at— yeah it's i'm speaking to lots of lots of companies, particularly- of lots of companies, particularly obviously pubs, hetete— particularly obviously pubs, hotels, restaurants and they're theta— hotels, restaurants and they're theta tatte— hotels, restaurants and they're their bills have— hotels, restaurants and they're their bills have gone anything between— their bills have gone anything hetneen too— their bills have gone anything between 100 and— their bills have gone anything between 100 and 400% increase. um,— between 100 and 400% increase. uh. even— between 100 and 400% increase. uh. tann— between 100 and 400% increase. um, even down to,— between 100 and 400% increase. um, even down to, you— between 100 and 400% increase. um, even down to, you know, on my way here getting my car, getting the mot done on my car and theirs has gone from £100 a week to £400 a week. yeah. it's it's all businesses but hospitality's usage is, is very, very high. and so when it multiplies up, very high. and so when it multiplies up , the numbers are

multiplies up, the numbers are staggering. and um, yeah, it's killing us. it's killing the industry . no, killing us. it's killing the industry. no, go, please. mark. what do you want— industry. no, go, please. mark. what do you want the- 3 \tt3t ct3t mark. what do you want the government to what do you want the government ta ta — what do you want the government ta ta ta — what do you want the government ta ta ta heth — what do you want the government ta ta ta heth yea— what do you want the government to do to help you in— what do you want the government to do to help you in particular? nett— to do to help you in particular? watt . wett— to do to help you in particular? watt . wen, yea— to do to help you in particular? �*fyt3ll well, you know, to do to help you in particular? wig. well, you know, there was well. well, you know, there was a price— well. well, you know, there was a price aah— well. well, you know, there was a price cap that— well. well, you know, there was a price cap that came- �*fyt3ll well, you know, there was a price cap that came through. i thtnt— a price cap that came through. i thtnt new— a price cap that came through. i thtnt te— a price cap that came through. i think now to the— a price cap that came through. i think now to the end of the end of think now to the end of the end at hant. — think now to the end of the end at april- uh,— think now to the end of the end of april. um, and— think now to the end of the end of april. um, and that's, that's ttntntehet— of april. um, and that's, that's diminished. um— of april. um, and that's, that's diminished. um i— of april. um, and that's, that's diminished. um i think the tangent— diminished. um i think the htggeet thtne— diminished. um i think the biggest thing they could do to hetn— biggest thing they could do to heth ae— biggest thing they could do to help us because— biggest thing they could do to help us because it's not just the— help us because it's not just the utilities,— help us because it's not just the utilities, the _ help us because it's not just the utilities, the utilities is, is the utilities, the utilities is, te the— the utilities, the utilities is, is the headline— the utilities, the utilities is, is the headline inflation, but it's is the headline inflation, but he everythtne— is the headline inflation, but it's everything, you know , as an it's everything, you know, as an tntaetty— it's everything, you know, as an tntaetty. ne— it's everything, you know, as an industry, we used— it's everything, you know, as an industry, we used to have, you then.— industry, we used to have, you than. at— industry, we used to have, you than. at aa— industry, we used to have, you know, all our wet— industry, we used to have, you know, all our wet products. we neet— know, all our wet products. we neet te— know, all our wet products. we neet to have— know, all our wet products. we used to have an— know, all our wet products. we used to have an annual price tet— used to have an annual price increase 1st of— used to have an annual price increase 1st of april. here's year— increase 1st of april. here's your ances— increase 1st of april. here's your prices for— increase 1st of april. here's your prices for the year. that's eene— your prices for the year. that's gene eat— your prices for the year. that's gene eat the— your prices for the year. that's gone out the window. we now get increases on a monthly basis. the— increases on a monthly basis. the foodstuffs— increases on a monthly basis. the foodstuffs that we buy, um, ant— the foodstuffs that we buy, um, ant net— the foodstuffs that we buy, um, and we're not talking, you know, 3 te— and we're not talking, you know, e to th— and we're not talking, you know, 3 to 5% increase.— and we're not talking, you know, 3 to 5% increase. we've had some heathen— 3 to 5% increase. we've had some anetaete 90— 3 to 5% increase. we've had some anetaete so an— 3 to 5% increase. we've had some products go up 100%_ 3 to 5% increase. we've had some products go up 100% overnight, whether— products go up 100% overnight, whethen tt— products go up 100% overnight, whethen tt he— products go up 100% overnight, whether it be tomatoes, poultry went— whether it be tomatoes, poultry went wh— whether it be tomatoes, poultry went up to. — whether it be tomatoes, poultry went up to. tea— whether it be tomatoes, poultry went up 70. you know, beef that went up 70. you know, beef that we eene— went up 70. you know, beef that we eewe every— went up 70. you know, beef that we serve every sunday for our

amazing— we serve every sunday for our anaztne nast— we serve every sunday for our amazing roast has— we serve every sunday for our amazing roast has gone through the neat.— amazing roast has gone through the neat. ant— amazing roast has gone through the roof. and we've we've ttnatty— the roof. and we've we've finally buckled - the roof. and we've we've finally buckled and put up the whee— finally buckled and put up the price at,— finally buckled and put up the price oh yea— finally buckled and put up the price of, you know, of our roast taneh— price of, you know, of our roast taneh whteh— price of, you know, of our roast lunch, which we— price of, you know, of our roast lunch, which we hated to do. so it's lunch, which we hated to do. so he everythtne— lunch, which we hated to do. so it's everything is— lunch, which we hated to do. so it's everything is affecting us. everythtne— it's everything is affecting us. tyenythtna we— it's everything is affecting us. everything we buy and including yvou— everything we buy and including ,yea thew.— everything we buy and including you knew ant— everything we buy and including , you know, and i— everything we buy and including , you know, and i don't begrudge thts— , you know, and i don't begrudge thts hat— , you know, and i don't begrudge this, but obviously— , you know, and i don't begrudge this, but obviously national ntntnnwn— this, but obviously national minimum wage— this, but obviously national minimum wage went up in april. so minimum wage went up in april. so ew— minimum wage went up in april. so wage— minimum wage went up in april. so our wage bill— minimum wage went up in april. so our wage bill has gone up 10. we so our wage bill has gone up 10. we annot— so our wage bill has gone up 10. we annet hat— so our wage bill has gone up 10. we cannot put all— so our wage bill has gone up 10. we cannot put all our bills up the— we cannot put all our bills up the the. — we cannot put all our bills up the the. se— we cannot put all our bills up like this. so i— we cannot put all our bills up like this. so i am— we cannot put all our bills up like this. so i am begging the government— like this. so i am begging the government to— like this. so i am begging the government to look at the vat heathen— government to look at the vat peettten again— government to look at the vat peettten agatn .— government to look at the vat position again . you know that position again. you know that measure-tail- position again. you know that measure _tail end - position again. you know that measure tail end of covid measure on the tail end of covid reatty— measure on the tail end of covid reatty enahtet— measure on the tail end of covid really enabled us— measure on the tail end of covid really enabled us to— measure on the tail end of covid really enabled us to come back tten— really enabled us to come back ten covth. — really enabled us to come back from covid. there's no doubt the hetn— from covid. there's no doubt the heth they— from covid. there's no doubt the heth they gaye— from covid. there's no doubt the heth they gave we— from covid. there's no doubt the help they gave us in covid was phenomena.— help they gave us in covid was phenomenal. um— help they gave us in covid was phenomenal. um and then the vat decrease was, was— phenomenal. um and then the vat decrease was, was an absolute eeteent— decrease was, was an absolute eeteent .— decrease was, was an absolute geteent . ant— decrease was, was an absolute godsend . and but— decrease was, was an absolute godsend . and but that's all godsend. and but that's all going— godsend. and but that's all gone te— godsend. and but that's all gang to he— godsend. and but that's all gang to he tn— godsend. and but that's all going to be in vain, you know, i thew— going to be in vain, you know, i know publicans— going to be in vain, you know, i know publicans walking out on a tatty— know publicans walking out on a tatty, weetty— know publicans walking out on a daily, weekly basis— know publicans walking out on a daily, weekly basis of their hate— daily, weekly basis of their pate thet— daily, weekly basis of their pubs just giving the keys back to pubs just giving the keys back te u...— pubs just giving the keys back to the, te— pubs just giving the keys back to the, to the— pubs just giving the keys back to the, to the brewery or to the tanttent— to the, to the brewery or to the landlord. and— to the, to the brewery or to the landlord. and there's more and going— landlord. and there's more and gang te— landlord. and there's more and more going to be— landlord. and there's more and more going to be dying and the government— more going to be dying and the government could— more going to be dying and the government could very quickly , government could very quickly, wew— government could very quickly, weny eaetty— government could very quickly, very easily, because we've seen them — very easily, because we've seen them te—

very easily, because we've seen then to ht.— very easily, because we've seen then to t. tt— very easily, because we've seen them do it. if they— very easily, because we've seen them do it. if they just decrease the - them do it. if they just decrease the vat as far as they 90 — decrease the vat as far as they 90 ,— decrease the vat as far as they ge , yew— decrease the vat as far as they can go , you know,— decrease the vat as far as they can go , you know, 20 to 10 would can go, you know, 20 to 10 would be can go, you know, 20 to 10 would he ente— can go, you know, 20 to 10 would he enhe. ste— can go, you know, 20 to 10 would be epic. 5% would— can go, you know, 20 to 10 would be epic. 5% would be out of this went.— be epic. 5% would be out of this went. hat— be epic. 5% would be out of this world. but even— be epic. 5% would be out of this world. but even even just to 15, wet— world. but even even just to 15, wet anythtne— world. but even even just to 15, wet anythtng te— world. but even even just to 15, just anything to put some margin into just anything to put some margin tnte what— just anything to put some margin into what we're— just anything to put some margin into what we're doing to enable us into what we're doing to enable we te— into what we're doing to enable we to ewwtwe— into what we're doing to enable we to ewwtwe. — into what we're doing to enable us to survive . mark- into what we're doing to enable us to survive . us to survive. mark the pub is a quintessenz part of english culture . can i ask you bluntly culture. can i ask you bluntly how close you are to thinking how close you are to thinking how much longer you can continue at your lovely pub down there in kent? we're in quite a unique heathen.— kent? we're in quite a unique heettten. were— , we're in quite a unique position. we're we're very , very position. we're we're very, very twety— position. we're we're very, very twety, yew— position. we're we're very, very twety, yew thew— position. we're we're very, very twety, yew thew .— position. we're we're very, very lucky, you know . you know, my lucky, you know. you know, my nether,— lucky, you know. you know, my nether, ene— lucky, you know. you know, my mother, she owns— lucky, you know. you know, my mother, she owns the building, so mother, she owns the building, ee .— mother, she owns the building, ea . ten-t— mother, she owns the building, ea t went way— mother, she owns the building, so i don't pay the— mother, she owns the building, so i don't pay the rent to her. ant.— so i don't pay the rent to her. ant. ant— so i don't pay the rent to her. ant. ant ta.— so i don't pay the rent to her. and. and i'd. you— so i don't pay the rent to her. and. and i'd. you know, this ten-t— and. and i'd. you know, this ten-t tnte— and. and i'd. you know, this ten-t thte te— and. and i'd. you know, this isn't this is the— and. and i'd. you know, this isn't this is the latest thing that— isn't this is the latest thing that tn— isn't this is the latest thing that i'm doing.— isn't this is the latest thing that i'm doing. and not forever, but that i'm doing. and not forever, hwt .— that i'm doing. and not forever, hwt . can— that i'm doing. and not forever, hwt . .— that i'm doing. and not forever, but i can i don't— that i'm doing. and not forever, but i can i don't have to pay nyeett— but i can i don't have to pay nyeett eyew— but i can i don't have to pay myself every year, every month. hwt— myself every year, every month. hwt that-e— myself every year, every month. hwt that-e net— myself every year, every month. but that's not the— myself every year, every month. but that's not the case for most ether— but that's not the case for most other publicans. _ but that's not the case for most other publicans. you know, i'm tentwnate— other publicans. you know, i'm fortunate that— other publicans. you know, i'm fortunate that that we're we

wttt— fortunate that that we're we wttt ewwtwe— fortunate that that we're we will survive. we— fortunate that that we're we will survive. we can keep going in will survive. we can keep going tn atw— will survive. we can keep going tn anaztne— will survive. we can keep going in our amazing place and we'll hatte— in our amazing place and we'll hattte away— in our amazing place and we'll hattte away .— in our amazing place and we'll battle away . but— in our amazing place and we'll battle away . but there's loads, battle away. but there's loads, vou— battle away. but there's loads, yew thew— battle away. but there's loads, yew thew .— battle away. but there's loads, you know , most— battle away. but there's loads, you know , most publicans, you know, most publicans, tanttente— you know, most publicans, landlords and— you know, most publicans, landlords and landladies are tantty— landlords and landladies are family businesses and they have a hnewety— family businesses and they have a twewety that— family businesses and they have a brewery that is— family businesses and they have a brewery that is their landlord whe— a brewery that is their landlord whe awtte— a brewery that is their landlord who quite rightly— a brewery that is their landlord who quite rightly needs the rent and who quite rightly needs the rent ant thew— who quite rightly needs the rent and know lots— who quite rightly needs the rent and know lots of— who quite rightly needs the rent and know lots of breweries, you thew.— and know lots of breweries, you know, were great— and know lots of breweries, you know, were great supporters threwth— know, were great supporters through cowo— know, were great supporters through covid etcetera. but but yew— through covid etcetera. but but yew km..— through covid etcetera. but but now you know, the money that tanttent-e— now you know, the money that landlord's family— now you know, the money that landlord's family his have been eanntnt— landlord's family his have been eanntnt ten-t— landlord's family his have been earning isn't going in their heetete.— earning isn't going in their heetete. tte— earning isn't going in their pockets. it's going into the wttttty— pockets. it's going into the utility companies pockets . and utility companies pockets. and so utility companies pockets. and ea they-ne— utility companies pockets. and ea they-ne twet— utility companies pockets. and so they're just, you know, i thew— so they're just, you know, i knew twet— so they're just, you know, i know just literally up the road . the— know just literally up the road , the landlord— know just literally up the road , the landlord in— know just literally up the road , the landlord in a great pub being— , the landlord in a great pub being there— , the landlord in a great pub being there decades you know htanntnt— being there decades you know ntanntno en— being there decades you know planning on seeing out the next few planning on seeing out the next tew yeane— planning on seeing out the next tew yeane tentnt— planning on seeing out the next few years topping up his pension but few years topping up his pension twt that-e— few years topping up his pension twt that-e twet— few years topping up his pension but that's just gone now that money— but that's just gone now that money he— but that's just gone now that neney te new— but that's just gone now that money is now going to utility eeneany— money is now going to utility eeneany ee— money is now going to utility company so he's— money is now going to utility company so he's just left it and it's company so he's just left it and he twet— company so he's just left it and he twet nte— company so he's just left it and it's just rife and— company so he's just left it and it's just rife and you know and you— it's just rife and you know and yew thew— it's just rife and you know and yew tnew ten— it's just rife and you know and you know for the _ it's just rife and you know and you know for the government it's you know for the government it's yew thew,— you know for the government it's yew knew a— you know for the government it's yew knew a ene— you know for the government it's you know, a one size solution on energy— you know, a one size solution on energy te— you know, a one size solution on energy te reatty— you know, a one size solution on energy is really difficult. but they-we— energy is really difficult. but they've shown— energy is really difficult. but they've shown us before for that heeettattty— they've shown us before for that heeettattty they— they've shown us before for that hospitality they can overnight decrease the _ hospitality they can overnight decrease the vat. we can all

wht— decrease the vat. we can all wnt ten— decrease the vat. we can all account for it— decrease the vat. we can all account for it and- decrease the vat. we can all account for it and run it properly_ account for it and run it eneeenty .— account for it and run it properlv - and- account for it and run it properly . and then they could properly. and then they could etee — properly. and then they could etee tn— properly. and then they could etee tn ant— properly. and then they could step in and save— properly. and then they could step in and save the industry. ant— step in and save the industry. ant hte— step in and save the industry. ant the yew— step in and save the industry. and like you said, quintessential part of british ewttwne— quintessential part of british ewttwne ant— quintessential part of british culture and lifestyle. that's why— culture and lifestyle. that's why there— culture and lifestyle. that's why there was— culture and lifestyle. that's why there was such a huge effort , why there was such a huge effort i , why there was such a huge effort . . hettewe— why there was such a huge effort . . hettewe, te— why there was such a huge effort , i believe, to save— why there was such a huge effort , i believe, to save it through town.— , i believe, to save it through cowh- anat— , i believe, to save it through covid. apart from all of the teeth— covid. apart from all of the people that— covid. apart from all of the people that we— covid. apart from all of the people that we employ, you know, our people that we employ, you know, ttttte— people that we employ, you know, our our little pub— people that we employ, you know, our our little pub in— people that we employ, you know, our our little pub in the eewntty— our our little pub in the eewntty ,— our our little pub in the eewntny , wen- our our little pub in the country , um, 30 in credible country, um, 30 in credible etatt— country, um, 30 in credible etatt .— country, um, 30 in credible etatt . yew— country, um, 30 in credible staff , you know,- country, um, 30 in credible staff , you know, they're, staff, you know, they're, they-ne— staff, you know, they're, they're amazing. best in the twetneee— they're amazing. best in the business and,— they're amazing. best in the business and, and we're pretty hwey— business and, and we're pretty twey tn— business and, and we're pretty twey tn theee— business and, and we're pretty busy in these difficult times. twt— busy in these difficult times. hwt tte— busy in these difficult times. hwt tt-e att— busy in these difficult times. but it's all in— busy in these difficult times. but it's all in vain, like teaee— but it's all in vain, like because any- but it's all in vain, like because any penny we make is going— because any penny we make is oeho ewt— because any penny we make is oeho ewt the— because any penny we make is going out the door. and on the tnttatten— going out the door. and on the inflation that— going out the door. and on the inflation that we're suffering. so, inflation that we're suffering. se. yew — inflation that we're suffering. se, yew thew,— inflation that we're suffering. so, you know, if— inflation that we're suffering. so, you know, if the government etee— so, you know, if the government etee tn— so, you know, if the government etee tn ant— so, you know, if the government step in and change— so, you know, if the government step in and change the vat eeettten— step in and change the vat eeettten tt— step in and change the vat position, it will— step in and change the vat position, it will enable many ether— position, it will enable many other businesses— position, it will enable many other businesses to keep going, teen— other businesses to keep going, keep employing— other businesses to keep going, keep employing people and wewte— keep employing people and eneytte the.— keep employing people and provide ing, you know, a valued eentee— provide ing, you know, a valued eentee te— provide ing, you know, a valued service to their— provide ing, you know, a valued service to their communities. wett— service to their communities. wen, teten— service to their communities. wen, tteten .— service to their communities. well, listen , mark, best of luck well, listen, mark, best of luck wtth— well, listen, mark, best of luck wtth the— well, listen, mark, best of luck with the business— well, listen, mark, best of luck with the business down there. neth— with the business down there. new john— with the business down there. new john ant— with the business down there. both john and i— with the business down there. both john and i do— with the business down there. both john and i do our- with the business down there. both john and i do our bit- with the business down there. both john and i do our bit to support pubs on a regular basis. she does a bit earlier she does start a bit earlier than me. she's normally in there at the morning. i tend

at 10:00 in the morning. i tend to night. for me for to be 1010 at night. for me for breakfast. obviously. lovely to talk you. thank you so much. talk to you. thank you so much. right. still to come, pm right. still to come, pm rishi right. still to come, pm rishi ewnat— right. still to come, pm rishi swnat eaye— right. still to come, pm rishi sunak says feminist professor tathteen— sunak says feminist professor kathleen stock— sunak says feminist professor kathleen stock should be allowed sunak says feminist professor kalivean stock should be allowed sunak says feminist professor kalive at stock should be allowed sunak says feminist professor kalive at a ock should be allowed sunak says feminist professor kalive at a ock sho ati be allowed sunak says feminist professor kalive at a ock sho at oxford.)wed to live at a speech at oxford. twen— to live at a speech at oxford. twen tt— to live at a speech at oxford. twen tt they— to live at a speech at oxford. even if they disagree with her. tht— even if they disagree with her. ttnt ewt— even if they disagree with her. find out what— even if they disagree with her. find out what she said shortly. that-e— find out what she said shortly. that-e atten— find out what she said shortly. that's after your— find out what she said shortly. that's after your morning- find out what she said shortly. that's after your morning news with armstrong . hi there with aaron armstrong. hi there it is, 1134. aaron armstrong hete— it is, 1134. aaron armstrong hene tn— it is, 1134. aaron armstrong hene tn the— l “34 aaron armstrong here in the newsroom. the cathet— here in the newsroom. the cabinet office _ here in the newsroom. the cabinet office has told the town— cabinet office has told the town te— cabinet office has told the covid 19 inquiry it does not have— covid 19 inquiry it does not have unredacted messages sent by the tee— have unredacted messages sent by the former prime— have unredacted messages sent by the former prime minister, boris yehneen— the former prime minister, boris tehneen ,— the former prime minister, boris yehneen , during— the former prime minister, boris johnson , during lockdown. johnson, during lockdown. twee— johnson, during lockdown. however a short time ago, rishi swnat— however a short time ago, rishi swnat eatt— however a short time ago, rishi sunak said the— however a short time ago, rishi sunak said the government is eanetwtty— sunak said the government is carefully considering its eeettten— carefully considering its eeettten tn— carefully considering its position in response to handing over documents,— position in response to handing over documents, but is confident in over documents, but is confident tn tte— over documents, but is confident tn tte aeweaeh— over documents, but is confident tn tte aeeneaeh. .— over documents, but is confident in its approach. i previously ntntetene— in its approach. i previously ministers refused to disclose theee— ministers refused to disclose those documents . it's arguing those documents. it's arguing they-ne— those documents. it's arguing they-re net— those documents. it's arguing they're not obligated for unambiguously relevant material. wett— unambiguously relevant material. wett, tntwtty— unambiguously relevant material. well, inquiry chair— unambiguously relevant material. well, inquiry chair baroness hattett— well, inquiry chair baroness hallett extended the deadline to

hant— hallett extended the deadline to hant even— hallett extended the deadline to hant the— hallett extended the deadline to hand over the documents from 4 en.— hand over the documents from 4 p-m- tnte— hand over the documents from 4 pm. this afternoon— hand over the documents from 4 pm. this afternoon until thwnetay— p.m. this afternoon until thwnetay .— p.m. this afternoon until thwnetay . a— pm. this afternoon until thursday . a spokesperson for the thursday. a spokesperson for the tennet— thursday. a spokesperson for the tennet thtne— thursday. a spokesperson for the former prime minister said mr yehneen— former prime minister said mr tehneen teee— former prime minister said mr johnson does not— former prime minister said mr johnson does not object, it says to johnson does not object, it says te tteeteee— johnson does not object, it says to disclose this— johnson does not object, it says to disclose this evidence . to disclose this evidence. taenn— to disclose this evidence. eamonn holmes has alleged there was eamonn holmes has alleged there a tetat— eamonn holmes has alleged there was a total cover— eamonn holmes has alleged there was a total cover up— eamonn holmes has alleged there was a total cover up of philip's seettett-e— was a total cover up of philip's scofield's affair— was a total cover up of philip's scofield's affair with a much yewntet— scofield's affair with a much yewnoet hate— scofield's affair with a much younger male colleague at itv's tnte— younger male colleague at itv's thte morning-— younger male colleague at itv's this morning. schofield quit the ehew— this morning. schofield quit the ehew en— this morning. schofield quit the ehew en ttttay— this morning. schofield quit the show on friday and was dropped by he— show on friday and was dropped by hte aoeney— show on friday and was dropped by his agency after admitting to an unwise but— by his agency after admitting to an unwise but not— by his agency after admitting to an unwise but not illegal affair . tn— an unwise but not illegal affair . h a— an unwise but not illegal affair . h a th— an unwise but not illegal affair . h a en wewe— an unwise but not illegal affair . in a gb news exclusive former the— . in a gb news exclusive former thte netntnt— . in a gb news exclusive former this morning host— . in a gb news exclusive former this morning host eamonn holmes teeetthet— this morning host eamonn holmes described schofield— this morning host eamonn holmes described schofield as a narcissist— described schofield as a narcissist and- described schofield as a narcissist and of creating a tene— narcissist and of creating a toxic culture— narcissist and of creating a toxic culture on— narcissist and of creating a toxic culture on the programme. he toxic culture on the programme. he tettewee— toxic culture on the programme. he believes executives at itv thew— he believes executives at itv tnew atewt— he believes executives at itv knew about the _ he believes executives at itv knew about the affair and eewetet— knew about the affair and eewetet tt— knew about the affair and covered it up— knew about the affair and covered it up to protect philip ant— covered it up to protect philip ant hetty— covered it up to protect philip and holly willoughby as well as the want— and holly willoughby as well as the htant . — and holly willoughby as well as the htant . .— and holly willoughby as well as the brand . i didn't— and holly willoughby as well as the brand. i didn't i- and holly willoughby as well as the brand. 3 3 3 3 the brand. i didn't i didn't know anything wrong. i heard some rumours . where were you some rumours. where were you going to go to with these rumours? who you know, everyone was team philip and holly and. and they were there together . and they were there together. they were seen together. they were the brand . in a statement

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on gb news. the people's channet.— on gb news. the people's channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. eeet— channel. britain is watching. eeet morning-— channel. britain is watching. good morning. welcome- channel. britain is watching. good morning. welcome back. it is 1040 and you're with to the point on gb news. well, the prime minister,— point on gb news. well, the prime minister, rishi- 33 [15 a well, the prime minister, rishi sunak says the tentntet— prime minister, rishi sunak says the feminist professor, do we have— the feminist professor, do we have te— the feminist professor, do we have te tatt— the feminist professor, do we have to call her— the feminist professor, do we have to call her a feminist? tathteen— have to call her a feminist? kathleen stock— have to call her a feminist? kathleen stock that's a rather have— kathleen stock that's a rather have ant— kathleen stock that's a rather brave and courageous and ewteeeten. — brave and courageous and- outspoken. _ allowed outspoken. should be allowed to tetwet— outspoken. should be allowed to deliver—oxford- deliver a speech at oxford hnwetetty— deliver a speech at oxford university urging students to engage— university urging students to engage wtth— university urging students to engage with the academics views

on engage with the academics views en ttane— engage with the academics views on trans issues, even if they tteagtee— on trans issues, even if they disagree with— on trans issues, even if they disagree with her. 3 3 disagree with her. this comes aheat— disagree with her. this comes ahead of planned protests by trans activists . she's the lgbtq trans activists. she's the lgbtq plus community complaining about a lesbian. make a speech, right? go figure on that one. any case, she's been targeted over her views on gender identity purely because she pointed out there is a difference between gender identity and biological sex and her is definitely her speech tonight is definitely going attract some protests. going to attract some protests. yeah kathleen stock maintains she's moderate and has the she's a moderate and has the right to upset people. so we're asking this morning,— 3 a: 3 so we're asking this morning, should she be asking this morning, should she he attewet— asking this morning, should she be allowed to— asking this morning, should she be allowed to speak? of course ehe — be allowed to speak? of course ehe ehewtt. — be allowed to speak? of course she should. our— be allowed to speak? of course she should. o33 33 be allowed to speak? of course she should. o3 3 33 she should. our reporter theo theo chikomba joins us from oxford now. good morning, theo . oxford now. good morning, theo. what's what's happening up there? what's the story coming from where are ? yes. good from where you are? yes. good morning from where you are? yes. good netntng te— from where you are? yes. good netntng te yew— from where you are? yes. good morning to you both.- 3 yes. good morning to you both. well this attetneen— morning to you both. well this afternoon, hundreds of students are afternoon, hundreds of students exheetet— afternoon, hundreds of students are expected to— afternoon, hundreds of students are expected to protest against tteteeeet— are expected to protest against professor kathleen stock coming hete— professor kathleen stock coming hete te — professor kathleen stock coming hete te ereat— professor kathleen stock coming hete te ereat ,— professor kathleen stock coming here to speak , which she'll be here to speak, which she'll be tetng— here to speak, which she'll be tetng ee— here to speak, which she'll be tetng ee at— here to speak, which she'll be doing so at the— here to speak, which she'll be doing so at the union this attetneen— doing so at the union this afternoon around 5:00. we're eareettng— afternoon around 5:00. we're expecting hundreds of them who

have— expecting hundreds of them who have teen— expecting hundreds of them who have been opposition in terms of what— have been opposition in terms of what ehe-e— have been opposition in terms of what she's been— have been opposition in terms of what she's been saying over the taet— what she's been saying over the taet tew— what she's been saying over the taet tew yeate — what she's been saying over the last few years. this— what she's been saying over the last few years. this started a whtte— last few years. this started a whtte hath— last few years. this started a while back, actually in 2018. the— while back, actually in 2018. the government— while back, actually in 2018. the government launched a consultation _ the government launched a consultation into the gender teeegnttten— consultation into the gender recognition act— consultation into the gender recognition act . and following recognition act. and following that,— recognition act. and following that, professor— recognition act. and following that, professor kathleen decided to that, professor kathleen decided te wttte— that, professor kathleen decided to write about— that, professor kathleen decided to write about about what she tett— to write about about what she tett ahewt— to write about about what she felt about that— to write about about what she felt about that and she received some criticism _ felt about that and she received some criticism over the years. it some criticism over the years. tt eettattet— some criticism over the years. it spiralled all— some criticism over the years. it spiralled all the way until zen.— it spiralled all the way until zozt, whee— it spiralled all the way until 2021, where people were rteteettng — 2021, where people were protesting outside of her hntwetetty— protesting outside of her university of— protesting outside of her university of sussex , which she university of sussex, which she then— university of sussex, which she then hat — university of sussex, which she then hat te — university of sussex, which she then had to leave— university of sussex, which she then had to leave that institution— then had to leave that institution and today, on a teehnteat— institution and today, on a technical level,- institution and today, on a technical level, she's not doing a eneeeh— technical level, she's not doing a speech rather,— technical level, she's not doing a speech rather, what tends to happen— a speech rather, what tends to happen tn— a speech rather, what tends to happen in these— a speech rather, what tends to happen in these occasions is eett— happen in these occasions is eett et— happen in these occasions is eett et an— happen in these occasions is sort of an opportunity where she sits sort of an opportunity where she ette tewn— sort of an opportunity where she sits down with— sort of an opportunity where she sits down with someone and it's a gweetten— sits down with someone and it's a gweetten ant— sits down with someone and it's a question and answer. so sits down with someone and it's a question and answer . so before a question and answer. so before tetay— a question and answer. so before any, ehe— a question and answer. so before tetay, ehe eat— a question and answer. so before today, she said she— a question and answer. so before today, she said she hasn't hteeatet— today, she said she hasn't prepared anything specifically as prepared anything specifically ae a eneeeh— prepared anything specifically as a speech, but— prepared anything specifically as a speech, but she will be hete— as a speech, but she will be hete, et— as a speech, but she will be here, of course,— as a speech, but she will be here, of course, to give her ertntene— here, of course, to give her ertntene en— here, of course, to give her opinions on some of those controversial— opinions on some of those controversial topics. now, in a tetten— controversial topics. now, in a tettet. the— controversial topics. now, in a letter, the oxford— controversial topics. now, in a letter, the oxford union has wtttten— letter, the oxford union has written this— letter, the oxford union has written this saying we believe that—

written this saying we believe that ttane— written this saying we believe that trans students should not be that trans students should not he hate— that trans students should not he nate te— that trans students should not be made to debate their eteeneet — be made to debate their existence. we- be made to debate their existence. we also refute that the— existence. we also refute that thte te— existence. we also refute that thte he a— existence. we also refute that this is a free— existence. we also refute that this is a free speech issue . to this is a free speech issue. to ttetnwttng— this is a free speech issue. to disinviting someone is not pteyenttng— disinviting someone is not preventing them from speaking. and preventing them from speaking. ant tn— preventing them from speaking. and in response— preventing them from speaking. and in response ,— preventing them from speaking. and in response , professor stock and in response, professor stock eatt— and in response, professor stock eatt thte. — and in response, professor stock eatt the. we— and in response, professor stock said this. we are— and in response, professor stock said this. we are discussing how the tenante— said this. we are discussing how the demands of— said this. we are discussing how the demands of a— said this. we are discussing how the demands of a radical group of the demands of a radical group et ttane— the demands of a radical group of trans activists,— the demands of a radical group of trans activists, many of whom are of trans activists, many of whom net— of trans activists, many of whom net ttae— of trans activists, many of whom are not trans, affect— of trans activists, many of whom are not trans, affect other reente— are not trans, affect other people that— are not trans, affect other people that is— are not trans, affect other people that is not the same thtng. — people that is not the same thtng. .— people that is not the same thtng. . an— people that is not the same thing. i am very— people that is not the same thing. i am very clear that ttane— thing. i am very clear that ttane reente— thing. i am very clear that trans people deserve full eteteetten— trans people deserve full protection under the law . now, protection under the law. now, twet— protection under the law. now, r-wet tn— protection under the law. now, we tn the— protection under the law. now, just in the last— protection under the law. now, just in the last few days thete-e— just in the last few days there's been— just in the last few days there's been a- just in the last few days there's been a rare intervention or there's been a rare intervention et eetnten— there's been a rare intervention et ertnten tten— there's been a rare intervention or opinion from the prime ahntetet— or opinion from the prime minister and— or opinion from the prime minister and he said he supports hert— minister and he said he supports hen het— minister and he said he supports hen het ttght— minister and he said he supports her, her right to— minister and he said he supports her, her right to speak at the extett— her, her right to speak at the oxford union.— her, her right to speak at the oxford union. so— her, her right to speak at the oxford union. so that will be tattng— oxford union. so that will be tattng rtaee— oxford union. so that will be taking place this afternoon . but taking place this afternoon. but exeeettng— taking place this afternoon. but we're expecting hundreds of etwtente— we're expecting hundreds of students and— we're expecting hundreds of students and others who are erreetng— students and others who are epeeetng het— students and others who are opposing her views. thank you wety— opposing her views. thank you wety nweh— opposing her views. thank you very much, theo. _ opposing her views. thank you very much, theo. 3 very much, theo. that's our reporter theo chikomba there from oxford , where our kathleen from oxford, where our kathleen stock is about to have. well, having a debate tonight in oxford . nigel, we're going to oxford. nigel, we're going to come to you on this one. what do

you make of the protest that is still going to happen there allowing her to speak and debate, but there is still going to protest about her right to be a protest about her right to be a protest about her right to free speech? yes. and i think that— to free speech? yes. and i think that the— to free speech? yes. and i think that the that— to free speech? yes. and i think that the that she— to free speech? yes. and i think that the that she has— ”333 3“ v433: and i think that the that she has the right to that the that she has the right te hee— that the that she has the right to free speech.— that the that she has the right to free speech. so— that the that she has the right to free speech. so it's absolutely— to free speech. so it's absolutely right that is absolutely right that she is ahte— absolutely right that she is ahte-ereat— absolutely right that she is able-speak at- absolutely right that she is able speak at the oxford able to speak at the oxford unen— able to speak at the oxford union,-those- able to speak at the oxford union, those who able to speak at the oxford- union,-those who disagree union, though those who disagree wtth— union, though those who disagree wtth-hawe— union, though those who disagree wtth .hawe the — union, though those who disagree with-have the right- with her have the right to eteteet— with her have the right to protest about— with her have the right to protest about that . but the protest about that. but the tnrettant— protest about that. but the important thing is that she waet— important thing is that she wasn't cancelled exactly that. i wasn't cancelled exactly that. . — wasn't cancelled exactly that. . twt— wasn't cancelled exactly that. i mean, but many— wasn't cancelled exactly that. i mean, but many have- wasn't cancelled exactly that. i mean, but many have been. yeah exactly. imean, i mean, but many have been. yeah exactly. i mean, i'm always erreeet— exactly. i mean, i'm always erreeet te— exactly. i mean, i'm always opposed to people- t33t

rmt ahmed is his name in cambridge . and we have to have cambridge. and we have to have somebody i know appointed to defend the role of free speech should be automatic . yeah. the should be automatic. yeah. the prime minister has to appoint from the ranks of universities because these students have just lost. lost way. lost. they've lost their way. well, radicalised well, they've been radicalised haven't they. and it's actually tn — haven't they. and it's actually tn teatty— haven't they. and it's actually tn teatty gtat— haven't they. and it's actually i'm really glad this— i'm really glad this is happeningt- i'm really glad this is happening, but also we need to it's happening, but also we need to tte-tte— happening, but also we need to tt-e-tt-elhttnaty- it's starting, it's in primary eeneete— it's starting, it's in primary schools—wherei it's starting, it's in primary- schools_where this schools in nurseries where this ttane— schools in nurseries where this ttane tteetegy— schools in nurseries where this trans ideology is— schools in nurseries where this trans ideology is starting to be tht— trans ideology is starting to be ttnt et— trans ideology is starting to be ttnt et-tn— trans ideology is starting to be kind of-in stories- trans ideology is starting to be kind of in stories and kind of given in stories and heete. — kind of given in stories and heete. ant.— kind of given in stories and books. and, and— kind of given in stories and books. and, and i think it's eng — books. and, and i think it's eng .— books. and, and i think it's wrong. i really— books. and, and i think it's wrong. i really think it's eng— wrong. i really think it's wrong. should wrong. it should not we should not wrong. it should not we should netlteaehtng— wrong. it should not we should not-teaching-to- wrong. it should not we should not teaching to our not be teaching this to our ehttten— not be teaching this to our children. should wait till children. we should wait till they-te— children. we should wait till they-te-ant- children. we should wait till| they're - and -they children. we should wait till- they're-and-they can they're adults and then they can have— they're adults and then they can have the— they're adults and then they can have this, like— they're adults and then they can have this, like you— they're adults and then they can have this, like you said, a tehate— have this, like you said, a tehate-a— have this, like you said, a debate a conversation about debate in a conversation about it. debate in a conversation about tt—tet— debate in a conversation about tt—tet hete- debate in a conversation about it. _lot here that. it. so there's a lot here that neete— it. so there's a lot here that neete te— it. so there's a lot here that neete te he— it. so there's a lot here that needs to be sorted out and quite gwtetty. — needs to be sorted out and quite quickly. interesting— needs to be sorted out and quite quickly. 3t3g quickly. interesting to see how much protest there is much of a protest there is today. and let's hope she today. yeah. and let's hope she gets to make her speech, catherine. appalling. if she isn't, it meant to catherine. appalling. if she isn't,-it meant to be. isn't, well, it meant to be a gweetten— isn't, well, it meant to be a gweetten ant— isn't, well, it meant to be a question and answer session. twt— question and answer session. twt-hae— question and answer session. twt-nae atways- question and answer session. but-has always said,j but catherine has always said, you has be a way you know, there has to be a way of rising above the personal and the culture victimhood that the culture of victimhood that here and, you know, the have a

debate the hate, debate without the hate, which is hate, the hate is so is but the hate, the hate is so vicious. that's the problem. that-e— vicious. that's the problem. that-e that-e— vicious. that's the problem. that's that's what- . rt. that's the problem. that's that's what needs be that's that's what needs to be tegwtatet— that's that's what needs to be regulated and— that's that's what needs to be regulated and stopped it. �*ft�*t333 regulated and stopped it. well, it's regulated and stopped it. well, tte—het- regulated and stopped it. well, tte—net lob-l regulated and stopped it. well, tt-hae—het lob-l regulated and stopped it. well, it'has a_her job. i regulated and stopped it. well, it'has a university her job. regulated and stopped it. well, it'has a university and er job. regulated and stopped it. well, it'has a university and while it has a university and while i'm a huge admirer of jk rowling, she is she's insulated because got nearly because she's got nearly £1 billion bank. she's one billion in the bank. she's one of world's most successful of the world's most successful authors, absolutely. authors, deservedly. absolutely. so although she's so in a sense, although she's been brave, it's easier for been very brave, it's easier for her to braver. yeah, it is her to be braver. yeah, it is easier because. _ her to be braver. yeah, it is easier because. but- yeah, it is easier because. but but thank geetneee— easier because. but but thank geetneee tet— easier because. but but thank goodness for because she goodness for her because she teee— goodness for her because she teee-a— goodness for her because she teee-a tet— goodness for her because she does a lot support to does give a lot of support to a lot does give a lot of support to a tetlethet— does give a lot of support to a lot-other people— does give a lot of support to a lot other people that just lot of other people that just want— lot of other people that just want te — lot of other people that just want to have— lot of other people that just want to have the debate. that's att— want to have the debate. that's att-hawe— want to have the debate. that's att-hawe the— want to have the debate. that's all. have the conversation. all. just have the conversation. tatttng— all. just have the conversation. tatttng ahewt— all. just have the conversation. talking about something- all. just have the conversation. talking about something that should be open and honest should be an open and honest debate catherine debate has led to catherine having install security debate has led to catherine having and stall security debate has led to catherine having and evensecurity debate has led to catherine having and even higher security devices and even higher security guards home where guards on her home where she lives partner and her lives with her partner and her baby isn't baby daughter. terrible, isn't it? baby daughter. terrible, isn't tte that-e— baby daughter. terrible, isn't it? that's-we- baby daughter. terrible, isn't it? that's-we are- baby daughter. terrible, isn't it? that's-we are at. baby daughter. terrible, isn't. it? that's-we are at with it? that's where we are at with that— it? that's where we are at with that — it? that's where we are at with that one. should— it? that's where we are at with that one. should we cheer us up, ttgete— that one. should we cheer us up, ttgete tet— that one. should we cheer us up, nigel? not-talking— that one. should we cheer us up, nigel? not talking just nigel? not by talking about just sten— nigel? not by talking about just stop. _ nigel? not by talking about just step. on.— nigel? not by talking about just step. on. theta— nigel? not by talking about just stop. oh, there we- nigel? not by talking about just stop o3 3333 t3g3 nigel? not by talking about just stop o3 3333 3g3 this stop oil oh, there we go. this is stop oil oh, there we go. this he . — stop oil oh, there we go. this is . yeah, stop oil oh, there we go. this is. yeah, this is. this is in the. in the daily mail today. what's happening now with just stop well, is stop oil? well, what is happening— stop oil? well, what is happening is- 374 well, what is happening is that one of just etee— happening is that one of just etee ette— happening is that one of just stop oil's donors— happening is that one of just stop oil's donors is also become

a tenet— stop oil's donors is also become a tenet te— stop oil's donors is also become a tenet te the— stop oil's donors is also become a donor to the labour party. and the— a donor to the labour party. and thte te— a donor to the labour party. and thte te hate— a donor to the labour party. and this is dale vince— a donor to the labour party. and this is dale vince who who runs a eenrany— this is dale vince who who runs a company called— this is dale vince who who runs a company called ecotricity. tnte— a company called ecotricity. thte te— a company called ecotricity. thte te eett— a company called ecotricity. this is sort of— a company called ecotricity. this is sort of billed as htttatn-e— this is sort of billed as britain's green sevilla . and britain's green sevilla. and hee— britain's green sevilla. and he-e new— britain's green sevilla. and he's now given— britain's green sevilla. and he's now given the labour party the— he's now given the labour party the when— he's now given the labour party £1.5 million in— he's now given the labour party £1.5 million in a— he's now given the labour party £1.5 million in a donation in understandably,_ £1.5 million in a donation in understandably, tories are up in ahewt— understandably, tories are up in arms about this,— understandably, tories are up in arms about this, not just tories . wett— arms about this, not just tories . war, eaytng— arms about this, not just tories . well, saying that— arms about this, not just tories . well, saying that the labour party— . well, saying that the labour party shouldn't— . well, saying that the labour party shouldn't accept this ney — party shouldn't accept this money. however, the whole issue of money. however, the whole issue et natty— money. however, the whole issue et reatty twnttng— money. however, the whole issue of party funding is— money. however, the whole issue of party funding is really murky . the— of party funding is really murky . the tettee— of party funding is really murky . the tories accept— of party funding is really murky . the tories accept a lot of neney— . the tories accept a lot of neney tten — . the tories accept a lot of money from slightly questionable tweetane— money from slightly questionable tweetane tet— money from slightly questionable russians, for instance, so yewte— russians, for instance, so ye what— russians, for instance, so ye what tt— russians, for instance, so you're what it comes to down it. do you're what it comes to down it. he we— you're what it comes to down it. he we tet— you're what it comes to down it. do we let political— you're what it comes to down it. do we let political parties take whate— do we let political parties take private donations— do we let political parties take private donations or do we get the taxpaye— private donations or do we get the taxpayer te — private donations or do we get the taxpayer to fund political hatttee— the taxpayer to fund political ratttee we— the taxpayer to fund political parties we don't— the taxpayer to fund political parties we don't want? \t3 the taxpayer to fund political parties we don't want? a3 parties we don't want? no, we ten-t— parties we don't want? no, we ten-t twntet— parties we don't want? no, we don't funded political parties. we don't want a happy medium somewhere. but but but don't you thtnt— somewhere. but but but don't you thtnt .— somewhere. but but but don't you thtnt . mean— somewhere. but but but don't you think i mean, nigel— 33 but but but don't you think i mean, nigel says the tettee— think i mean, nigel says the tettee ate— think i mean, nigel says the tories are unhappy. i think anyhety— tories are unhappy. i think anybody who's— tories are unhappy. i think anybody who's stuck anybody who's been stuck in tatte— anybody who's been stuck in traffic, everyone— anybody who's been stuck in traffic, everyone is all the eteteete— traffic, everyone is all the protests that— traffic, everyone is all the protests that people have to get to protests that people have to geti

te—arretntnente to work to hospital appointments heaee— because of these fanatics and wet— because of these fanatics and wet step— because of these fanatics and wet sten ott. — because of these fanatics and just stop oil. isn't he by tattng— just stop oil. isn't he by taking money- just stop oil. isn't he by taking money from this organisation,- taking money from this organisation, on organisation, putting himself on the—eee— organisation, putting himself on the—eco fanatics- organisation, putting himself on the—eco fanatics is. the side of the eco fanatics is going— the side of the eco fanatics is getng te— the side of the eco fanatics is getng te he— the side of the eco fanatics is getng te he a— the side of the eco fanatics is going to be a puppet to his raynaetete— going to be a puppet to his paymasters, to— going to be a puppet to his paymasters, to the tune of 1.5 nttten. — paymasters, to the tune of 1.5 million. and— paymasters, to the tune of 1.5 million. and he— paymasters, to the tune of 1.5 million. 33 33 paymasters, to the tune of 1.5 million. 33 �*t’33 paymasters, to the tune of 1.5 million. 33 33 paymasters, to the tune of 1.5 million. ' 33 33 3 million. and he will, as our own very lovely jacob rees—mogg said, they, you know, he's a they are fanatics. they want us to be cold. they want us to be poon to be cold. they want us to be poor. and this is what the head of the labour party is condoning, who is supposed to be for poor working class people . for poor working class people. and we know this whole agenda is just going to make people poorer and colder suffer more. it doesn't work. it doesn't work . i doesn't work. it doesn't work. i know nigel is going to scream that it does. it just doesn't work. i mean, scream. nigel. thank you. i will scream. first of all, it's not the labour party taking money from just stop oil it's taking it from one of stop oil it's taking it from one et raehet-e— stop oil it's taking it from one of jasper's biggest— o 3 it's taking it from one of jasper's biggest benefactors. that-e— of jasper's biggest benefactors. that-e ttght— of jasper's biggest benefactors. that's right. it's— of jasper's biggest benefactors. that's right. it's-same- that's right. it's the same thing. not the thing. well, no, it's not the same it's not the same. same thing. it's not the same. they won't see the difference. they won't see the difference. the labour party taking theylabour party taking money the labour party is taking money tten— the labour party is taking money tten, the— the labour party is taking money from, um, the boss— the labour party is taking money from, um, the boss of a big eteetttetty— from, um, the boss of a big electricity company. that boss whe—gteen- electricity company. that boss

who green energy who believes in green energy happene— who believes in green energy harrene te— who believes in green energy happens to i also - who believes in green energy happens to also funding just happens to be also funding just up happens to be also funding just we at — happens to be also funding just we at ee— happens to be also funding just up oil. so they're— happens to be also funding just up oil. so they're separate thtnge— up oil. so they're separate thtnge .— up oil. so they're separate thtnge , net— up oil. so they're separate things , not very separate. when things, not very separate. when you things, not very separate. when yew then— things, not very separate. when yew then-that— things, not very separate. when you then that labour you then link that to labour eettey— you then link that to labour eettey-te— you then link that to labour eettey-te te- you then link that to labour policy,-is to stop- you then link that to labour policy, is to stop new policy, which is to stop new developments— policy, which is to stop new developments of oil and gas in the weath— developments of oil and gas in the tetth sea— developments of oil and gas in the north sea .— developments of oil and gas in the north sea . then the tories the north sea. then the tories etatt— the north sea. then the tories start screaming— the north sea. then the tories start screaming that this policy is start screaming that this policy te tetng— start screaming that this policy is being influenced . east policy is being influenced. east policy etee— is being influenced. east policy etee ett— is being influenced. east policy etee ett eetey— is being influenced. east policy stop oil policy comes first. then— stop oil policy comes first. then we— stop oil policy comes first. then we get— stop oil policy comes first. then we get the donation . so it then we get the donation. so it teeen-t— then we get the donation. so it teeen-t mean— then we get the donation. so it doesn't mean all— then we get the donation. so it doesn't mean all political tenattene— doesn't mean all political donations are— doesn't mean all political donations are a- doesn't mean all political donations are a problem. but the— donations are a problem. but thte ene— donations are a problem. but thte te— donations are a problem. but this one is no— donations are a problem. but this one is no more a problem . this one is no more a problem. i this one is no more a problem. . ten-t— this one is no more a problem. . ten-t thtnt— this one is no more a problem. i don't think it— this one is no more a problem. i don't think it was. i- this one is no more a problem. 33 3 3 i don't i don't think it was. i don't think it quite— i don't think it was. i don't think it quite works- 333 3 3 i don't think it quite works that way. i thtnt— think it quite works that way. i thtnt tt— think it quite works that way. i think if you're— think it quite works that way. i think if you're going to give a 1.5 think if you're going to give a as when— think if you're going to give a 1.5 million, then— think if you're going to give a 1.5 million, then you're going to 1.5 million, then you're going te want— 1.5 million, then you're going te want yew— 1.5 million, then you're going to want your opinions and your eettey— to want your opinions and your policy infiltrated— to want your opinions and your policy infiltrated into that party's— policy infiltrated into that party's policy-— policy infiltrated into that party's policy. but the big eetnt— party's policy. but the big eetnt te— party's policy. but the big eetnt te te— party's policy. but the big point is, is this- party's policy. but the big point is, is this green agenda? do point is, is this green agenda? he they— point is, is this green agenda? he they get— point is, is this green agenda? do they get their— point is, is this green agenda? do they get their policies- point is, is this green agenda? do they get their policies into into we're not into the tories? we're not having possibly . see, who knows? having possibly. see, who knows? i'm having possibly. see, who knows? tn net— having possibly. see, who knows? tn net getng— having possibly. see, who knows? tn net getng te— 3t3g see, who knows? i'm not going to disagree. i'm net.— i'm not going to disagree. i'm net. that-e— i'm not going to disagree. i'm not. that's not— i'm not going to disagree. i'm not. that's not what we're tteeweetng— not. that's not what we're discussing-we- not. that's not what we're- discussing-we-talking discussing now. we are talking ahewt—gteen- discussing now. we are talking about green agenda about this whole green agenda whteh— about this whole green agenda whtehlgetng— about this whole green agenda whtehlgetng te— about this whole green agenda which going to make which is going to make this eewntty— which is going to make this country poorer— which is going to make this country poorer and weaker in even—tt- country poorer and weaker in ewety—tt nateel country poorer and weaker ini every—it makes no every single way. it makes no eenee-ant— every single way. it makes no sense _and-not. sense at all. and let's not tetget— sense at all. and let's not tetget that— sense at all. and let's not forget that dale vince has a gteen—

forget that dale vince has a gteen-eeneany. - forget that dale vince has a green company. doesn't green energy company. doesn't that—hen - green energy company. doesn't that—from the- that get subsidies from the government?— that get subsidies from the government? mean, reason government? i mean, the reason that— government? i mean, the reason that ewt— government? i mean, the reason that httte— government? i mean, the reason that our bills and— government? i mean, the reason that our bills and everything is so that our bills and everything is ee-that— that our bills and everything is ee-that-et- that our bills and everything is so _that-oil and. so expensive that our oil and ewt-ewewthtng- so expensive that our oil and our-everything is. so expensive that our oil and our everything is so our gas and everything is so eeenewe— our gas and everything is so expensive—isl expensive at the moment is heaee— expensive at the moment is because subsidising because we're subsidising all theee—gteen- because we're subsidising all. these—green energy, these projects for green energy, when— these projects for green energy, whteh-newet— these projects for green energy, which never going to work. which are never going to work. ant— which are never going to work. ant-that— which are never going to work. ant-that ttg— which are never going to work. and-that big green- which are never going to work. i and-that big green thing and what is that big green thing is launching as part his five is launching as part of his five pledges? green. what is it? pledges? five green. what is it? well launching a uk energy, well he's launching a uk energy, a sort of green energy company. theideais a sort of green energy company. the idea is i'll stop all man tathet— the idea is i'll stop all man rather pleased— the idea is i'll stop all man rather pleased with that, isn't he — rather pleased with that, isn't he watt.— rather pleased with that, isn't he? well, i'm— rather pleased with that, isn't he? well, i'm sure- rather pleased with that, isn't he? well, i'm sure he- rather pleased with that, isn't he? �*ft�*333 33 3 he? well, i'm sure he is. in fact. was that what keir starmer is saying is that we should be the electricity should be clean by 2030. steel production should be clean by 2035. he's setting a target for net zero of 2050. the question obviously is do you believe in net zero? if you do , believe in net zero? if you do, then labour policies are going in the right direction. it's easy to have all those targets tonight if you're a billionaire like this particular businessman, going to businessman, he's not going to feel hardship financially in feel any hardship financially in any shape or form . was an any shape or form. was an tnetetthty— any shape or form. was an incredibly rich— any shape or form. was an incredibly rich man. - was an incredibly rich man. v433

incredibly rich man. yes, but whats— incredibly rich man. yes, but whats that— incredibly rich man. yes, but what's that got to do with it? well, no, i'm just. you're saying well, no, i'm just. you're eaytng that— well, no, i'm just. you're saying that he— well, no, i'm just. you're saying that he was- you're saying that he was setting these tatgetee— saying that he was setting these tatgetee wett— saying that he was setting these targets? well doesn't targets? well it doesn't nato tetn— targets? well it doesn't nato ten—oh.- targets? well it doesn't nato aett—oh sorry-i keir starmer is. oh, sorry. veat.— keir starmer is. oh, sorry. yeah, i'm sorry. i'm keir starmer is. o3 v433 3 i'm not keir starmer is. oh, sorry.- yeah, i'm sorry. i'm not talking ahewt— yeah, i'm sorry. i'm not talking ahewt tnte— yeah, i'm sorry. i'm not talking about this chap.— yeah, i'm sorry. i'm not talking about this chap. no,— v433 3 i'm not talking about this chap. no, these. this is about this chap. no, these. this he the— about this chap. no, these. this he the tahewt— about this chap. no, these. this is the labour policy, which is the— is the labour policy, which is the-that— is the labour policy, which is the-that we— is the labour policy, which is the-that we get- is the labour policy, which is the that we get economic the idea that we get economic gtewth — the idea that we get economic gtewth—gteentngi growth by effectively greening htttatn— growth by effectively greening htttatn .— growth by effectively greening britain , starting— growth by effectively greening britain , starting starting up britain, starting starting up gteenet— britain, starting starting up greener technologies, greener tntwetttee— greener technologies, greener tntwettteete— greener technologies, greener industries to but— greener technologies, greener industries to but also take us tewatte— industries to but also take us tewatte net— industries to but also take us towards net zero. 3333 3333 towards net zero. kyrees kyrees has also said that we're not going to renew any of the contracts for oil and for gas and everything like that. so all that's going to happen is going to as i said, it's going to make us weaker as a country because these green genders, they're not going work. not going going to work. we're not going to to get any energy to be able to get any energy from them. we're going to from them. so we're going to have to buy in. i mean, we'll be all green and lovely, but we're having from everybody having to buy in from everybody else. doesn't actually else. so it doesn't actually make maybe from russia, make exactly maybe from russia, maybe from russia, but it's not making it? making the world greener, is it? it's hypocrisy rubbish. it's just hypocrisy and rubbish. this comes down this debate finally comes down to really? it is. do to it. really? it really is. do you— to it. really? it really is. do yew hetewe— to it. really? it really is. do you believe in— 3 really? it really is. do you believe in climate change? 3 really? it really is. do y0lyou ieve in climate change? 3 really? it really is. do

y0lyou believe :limate change? 3 really? it really is. do y0lyou believe innate change? 3 really? it really is. do y0lyou believe in going hange? 3 really? it really is. do y0lyou believe in going towards do you believe in going towards net ee— do you believe in going towards net ant— do you believe in going towards net zero and setting the target do you believe in going towards ne 2050 and setting the target do you believe in going towards ne 2050 or d setting the target do you believe in going towards ne 2050 or not? ting the target do you believe in going towards ne 2050 or not? if|g the target do you believe in going towards ne 2050 or not? if you e target do you believe in going towards ne 2050 or not? if you don't et of 2050 or not? if you don't hetewe— of 2050 or not? if you don't hetewe tn— of 2050 or not? if you don't believe in any— of 2050 or not? if you don't believe in any of- of 2050 or not? if you don't believe in any of those things, then— believe in any of those things, then yew— believe in any of those things, then you like. _ believe in any of those things, then you like. i— believe in any of those things, then you like. 3 then you like. i would keep the nonh a then you like. i would keep the north a form of an north sea oil as a form of an insurance policy because of the terrible crisis we've had. because of the ukraine war. you can those fields in can still mine those fields in the north sea for and oil the north sea for gas and oil and i think we should. can i just say that that 33 3

funding, as i've just said. but as long you've got this as long as you've got this system, can't anything system, i can't see anything more taking it from more wrong about taking it from dale than the tories dale vince than the tories do from people. from some of their people. while on the subject of while we're on the subject of gteen— while we're on the subject of gteen enetgy— while we're on the subject of green energy and i think starmer did green energy and i think starmer ttt want— green energy and i think starmer ttt want te— green energy and i think starmer did want to sort— green energy and i think starmer did want to sort of— green energy and i think starmer did want to sort of like concrete over- did want to sort of like concrete over the green belt, tn — concrete over the green belt, tn net— concrete over the green belt, tn net getng— concrete over the green belt, i'm not going to— concrete over the green belt, i'm not going to go down that tattt— i'm not going to go down that tahhtt-enty— i'm not going to go down that tahhtt-enty a— i'm not going to go down that rabbit only a little bit of rabbit hole only a little bit of it, rabbit hole only a little bit of ra-a— rabbit hole only a little bit of hue tttte— rabbit hole only a little bit of it,-a little bit— rabbit hole only a little bit of it,-a little bit-it.- it, only a little bit of it. that-e— it, only a little bit of it. that's fine— it, only a little bit of it. that's fine then. it, only a little bit of it.- that's fine then. okay. but what is what is just quickly is what is what is just quickly also, this is a story in the guardian. nigel, your story. tahewt— guardian. nigel, your story. labour select— [13333 33 nigel, your story. labour select councils land labour select councils buy land eheaety—they- labour select councils buy land eheaety—they ean| cheaply, so basically they can twet— cheaply, so basically they can just gerrymander— cheaply, so basically they can just gerrymander the idea is to aetwatty— just gerrymander the idea is to actually compulsory actually be able to compulsory ewtehaee— actually be able to compulsory ewtehaee-the- actually be able to compulsory purchase _the systeml purchase it. now the system we've got at the moment, one of the biggest problems about building get land banking building is you get land banking where developer gets hold of where a developer gets hold of the planning the land, gets planning permission on it, but never builds anything. so the land is just fallow. you also get just left fallow. you also get a situation where do situation where developers do start little bit of start doing a little bit of developing and every time they get nudged they put another brick wall up. but again, houses don't built. so what this don't get built. so what this would mean is local authorities who should be the best people to decide where to build in their

area rather than have national targets get to actually look at this land and say, right, we're going to build on that land. if you won't let us, we'll compulsory purchase. that's not that's thing, is that's not the only thing, is it? they're trying to buy land wtthewt— it? they're trying to buy land without having _ it? they're trying to buy land without having to— 374 they're trying to buy land without having to factor in the heee — without having to factor in the heee ate — without having to factor in the hope value. they're to hope value. so they're trying to buy— hope value. so they're trying to hwy tt— hope value. so they're trying to hwy tt eheaety. — hope value. so they're trying to buy it cheaply. basically , buy it cheaply. so basically, you—you- buy it cheaply. so basically, yew—yew hwyl buy it cheaply. so basically, yew—yew hwy a| buy it cheaply. so basically,- yew—yew hwy a eteee you know, when you buy a piece of you know, when you buy a piece 0f-my_ you know, when you buy a piece et-ny hwehant— you know, when you buy a piece of-my husband is- you know, when you buy a piece of my husband is an of land, my husband is an atehtteet— of land, my husband is an architect. _this. - of land, my husband is an. architect.-this. .you architect. i know this. if you buy— architect. i know this. if you hwy a— architect. i know this. if you hwy a hwee— architect. i know this. if you buy a house, buy- architect. i know this. if you buy a house, buy something, you buy a house, buy something, you hwy—that- buy a house, buy something, you hwy—that yew-tel buy it with a hope that you're going— buy it with a hope that you're getng te— buy it with a hope that you're getng te he— buy it with a hope that you're going to be able— buy it with a hope that you're going to be able to get some. vew— going to be able to get some. vew eewtt— going to be able to get some. you could build— going to be able to get some. you could build on it planning eetnteeten— you could build on it planning permission,-like- you could build on it planning permission, like that. so you could build on it planning perm they], like that. so you could build on it planning perm they want like that. so you could build on it planning perm they want to like that. so you could build on it planning perm they want to doe that. so you could build on it planning perm they want to do is:hat. so you could build on it planning perm they want to do is they so what they want to do is they want— what they want to do is they wantlhe — what they want to do is they want-be able— what they want to do is they want-be able to- what they want to do is they want be able to buy that land want to be able to buy that land wtthewt— want to be able to buy that land wtthewt that— want to be able to buy that land without that extra— want to be able to buy that land without that extra bit the without that extra bit of the etanntng— without that extra bit of the planning permission. it planning permission. so it ewetwtttee— planning permission. so it overwrites land overwrites the 1961 land compensation- overwrites the 1961 land compensation prevents compensation act, which prevents eewnette—etete- compensation act, which prevents councils—plots of- councils from buying plots of tant— councils from buying plots of land development without for land for development without for just-agricultural— land for development without for just agricultural value, just the agricultural value, wtthewt— just the agricultural value, without the _ just the agricultural value, without the planning value . without the planning value. they-te — without the planning value. they-te twet— without the planning value. they're just trying to take land off they're just trying to take land ett eeeete— they're just trying to take land ett eeeete tet— they're just trying to take land off people for a— they're just trying to take land off people for a cheap price. tn — off people for a cheap price. tn _ta— off people for a cheap price. tn _te tn— off people for a cheap price. ttt-ta tn getng- off people for a cheap price. i'm-to i'm going to- off people for a cheap price. i i'm-to i'm going to have i'm going to i'm going to have to take. stop it. you honestly, it's marxist. thank you. thank you very much. nigel corbyn thank . nigel nelson, antonio thank you. nigel nelson, antonio buxton that interesting buxton for that interesting debate. unfortunately we've

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