good evening. as boris e: q as borisjohnson good evening. as boris johnson threatens— good evening. as boris johnson threatens to— good evening. as boris johnson threatens to sue— good evening. as boris johnson threatens to sue his— e: q as borisjohnson threatens to sue his own party's government— threatens to sue his own party's government over— threatens to sue his own party's government over further reports to the — government over further reports to the pettee— government over further reports to the police about breach of teettewn— to the police about breach of lockdown rules.— to the police about breach of lockdown rules. i— to the police about breach of lockdown rules. i asked the queetten— lockdown rules. i asked the queetten ,— lockdown rules. i asked the queetten , te— lockdown rules. i asked the question , is rishi trying to question, is rishi trying to meet— question, is rishi trying to finish boris— question, is rishi trying to finish boris off— question, is rishi trying to finish boris off and widdecombe jette— finish boris off and widdecombe joins me— finish boris off and widdecombe joins me wttt— finish boris off and widdecombe joins me with an— finish boris off and widdecombe joins me with an absolutely eehue— joins me with an absolutely eehue twe— joins me with an absolutely chorus view of— joins me with an absolutely chorus view of what the government _ chorus view of what the government is doing on brexit in hehteuteh — government is doing on brexit in particular. joining— government is doing on brexit in particular. joining the european hetehee— particular. joining the european defence union.— particular. joining the european defence union. and we ask the queetteh— defence union. and we ask the eueetteh ,— defence union. and we ask the queetteh , te— defence union. and we ask the question , is ron— defence union. and we ask the question , is ron desantis wise question, is ron desantis wise to announce his— question, is ron desantis wise to announce his bid for the us hehhetteh— to announce his bid for the us nomination for— to announce his bid for the us nomination for president for the tehuhheeh— nomination for president for the republican party?— nomination for president for the republican party.7 but before all of thet— republican party.7 but before all of that, hete— republican party.7 but before all of that, let's get— republican party.7 but before all of that, let's get the news with

teth— of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst_ of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . \ gt; of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst. \ gt; polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you. with gb news and the top story this hour, rishi sunak says the latest figures show the government is making progress on his promise to halve inflation. his comments come as new data showed inflation fell to 8.7% last month. that's the first time the figure has fallen below 10% since last august . however, 10% since last august. however, with food price inflation continuing at a near record 19.1, labour is accusing the government of failing to help struggling families. police in south wales have said their nearest vehicle was half a mile away when two boys were killed in a crash in cardiff on monday evening . cctv footage appeared evening. cctv footage appeared to show a police van following an e—bike in what was thought were minutes before the fatal incident. but officers insist the boys weren't being pursued . the boys weren't being pursued. the deaths of 16 year old kyrees

sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans sparked rioting in the ely area . hundreds of bunches of area. hundreds of bunches of flowers have been left on the side of the road by family and friends, and there is a planned candlelight lit vigil to be held tonight in the community. well, at a press conference earlier on today, deputy chief constable rachel bacon spoke about the incident . we have done our best incident. we have done our best incident. we have done our best in the circumstances we face with the information we've had . with the information we've had. we've been an honest and direct. i'm we've been an honest and direct. th hete— we've been an honest and direct. th here today— we've been an honest and direct. i'm here today to— we've been an honest and direct. i'm here today to give you the htehhetteh— i'm here today to give you the information i— i'm here today to give you the information i have now . i've information i have now. i've eth— information i have now. i've etttt get— information i have now. i've still got hundreds of hours of investigation— still got hundreds of hours of investigation that will need to tate— investigation that will need to take the. — investigation that will need to take the. ._ investigation that will need to take place. i know you're not going— take place. i know you're not gehg te— take place. i know you're not gehg to get— take place. i know you're not going to get every answer you went— going to get every answer you want today,— going to get every answer you want today, but— going to get every answer you want today, but speaking to the eemmuhtty— want today, but speaking to the eehmuhtty et— want today, but speaking to the community of ely,— want today, but speaking to the community of ely, we are here to protect— community of ely, we are here to protect you. — community of ely, we are here to protect you. the— community of ely, we are here to protect you. we absolutely arnie uhtereteht— protect you. we absolutely arnie understand that— protect you. we absolutely arnie understand that it— protect you. we absolutely arnie understand that it was a terrthte— understand that it was a terrible night— understand that it was a terrible night. now understand that it was a terrible night . now now understand that it was a terrible night. now now legal hee— terrible night. now now legal row has erupted— terrible night. now now legal row has erupted between the cathet— row has erupted between the cabinet office _ row has erupted between the cabinet office and the official cowh— cabinet office and the official covth re— cabinet office and the official covm 19 inquiry— cabinet office and the official covid 19 inquiry over the reeeete— covid 19 inquiry over the reeeete et— covid 19 inquiry over the release of boris johnson's trhetehpp—

release of boris johnson's whatsapp messages and diaries. thermomet— whatsapp messages and diaries. chairwoman baroness— whatsapp messages and diaries. chairwoman baroness hallett is rejecting decisions made by the cabinet office to redact some of the material . the messages the material. the messages include exchanges between boris johnson and senior government adviser civil servants and their advisers during the pandemic. and the prime minister has confirmed today suella braverman will not face a formal investigation over claims that she requested civil servants arrange a private speed awareness course. in a letter to the home secretary, rishi sunak said he'd been told by his independent ethics adviser that her actions did not amount to a breach of the ministerial code. the home secretary has apologised for the distraction it caused to the government . it caused to the government. arnie a gb news understands that the authorities in portugal hunting for clues to the disappearance of madeleine mccann will continue their search for a third day tomorrow. nato police have been using mechanical undergrowth , cutters, mechanical undergrowth, cutters, radar rakes and poles and were seen removing a number of sealed

bags from the scene. today. investigators are looking for any sign that the three year old was at the arade dam and reservoir which was visited a number of times by prime suspect in the case, christine bruckner . those are your latest news headlines. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news . britain's news. channel well, as we got on air last britain's news. channel- . well, as we gthatn air last britain's news. channel- . well, as we (that boris ast night, we learned that boris johnson— night, we learned that boris johnson referred to johnson had been referred to tethe— johnson had been referred to police forces— johnson had been referred to police forces by— johnson had been referred to police forces by the cabinet cerhrhtttee. — police forces by the cabinet committee. why.7 because police forces by the cabinet committee. why? because as the threat— committee. why? because as the official cowo— committee. why? because as the official covid inquiry wanted to here— official covid inquiry wanted to have t— official covid inquiry wanted to here a teet— official covid inquiry wanted to have a look at— official covid inquiry wanted to have a look at his— official covid inquiry wanted to have a look at his official diarrh— have a look at his official they, the— have a look at his official they, the rt— have a look at his official diary, and it was said that rheethge— diary, and it was said that rheethge he— diary, and it was said that meetings he had in chequers during— meetings he had in chequers during lockdown— meetings he had in chequers during lockdown were in breach of the— during lockdown were in breach of the rues-t— during lockdown were in breach of the rules. this— during lockdown were in breach of the rules. this broke whilst i of the rules. this broke whilst t the— of the rules. this broke whilst t eh— of the rules. this broke whilst t on th— of the rules. this broke whilst i was on air last— of the rules. this broke whilst i was on air last night. jacob rees-m099— i was on air last night. jacob rees—mogg came on shortly afterwards— rees—mogg came on shortly afterwards to _ rees—mogg came on shortly afterwards to say that he went

to chequere— afterwards to say that he went to chequers during that period the— to chequers during that period the att— to chequers during that period and all rules— to chequers during that period and all rules were obeyed . but and all rules were obeyed. but the reeeheeh— and all rules were obeyed. but the response from _ and all rules were obeyed. but the response from boris tehheeh-e— the response from boris johnson's people has been retur— johnson's people has been reetty, reetty— johnson's people has been really, really sharp . they really, really sharp. they eettet— really, really sharp. they eettet rt— really, really sharp. they called it a— really, really sharp. they called it a politically motivated— called it a politically motivated stitch up to which these— motivated stitch up to which these th— motivated stitch up to which these he the— motivated stitch up to which those in the government say it's a trurhhteh— those in the government say it's etrurhhteh hey— those in the government say it's a trumpian way of— those in the government say it's a trumpian way of dealing with the — a trumpian way of dealing with the issue. you— a trumpian way of dealing with the issue. you see,— a trumpian way of dealing with the issue. you see, actually, tethe— the issue. you see, actually, tette ,— the issue. you see, actually, folks , what's— the issue. you see, actually, folks , what's at— the issue. you see, actually, folks , what's at the heart of folks, what's at the heart of all folks, what's at the heart of at et— folks, what's at the heart of at of the— folks, what's at the heart of all of this, i— folks, what's at the heart of all of this, i believe, is the conservative _ all of this, i believe, is the conservative party are absolutely— conservative party are absolutely split right down the rhtttte— absolutely split right down the middle between _ absolutely split right down the middle between been the brexiteers_ middle between been the brexiteers and _ middle between been the brexiteers and what i would call the temether— brexiteers and what i would call the remainer globalists. brexiteers and what i would call the remainer globalists . they've the remainer globalists. they've got the remainer globalists. they've get rte— the remainer globalists. they've get he et— the remainer globalists. they've got rid of dominic— the remainer globalists. they've got rid of dominic raab. well tene— got rid of dominic raab. well tehe them.— got rid of dominic raab. well done them. they've done their very— done them. they've done their very teet— done them. they've done their very heet te— done them. they've done their very heet te get— done them. they've done their very best to get rid of suella braverman. they— very best to get rid of suella braverman. they haven't quite yet eueeeetet— braverman. they haven't quite yet succeeded ,_ braverman. they haven't quite yet succeeded , but they haven't yet succeeded, but they haven't given— yet succeeded, but they haven't gtveh uh— yet succeeded, but they haven't then he the— yet succeeded, but they haven't given up and now— yet succeeded, but they haven't given up and now boris, who i have— given up and now boris, who i have te— given up and now boris, who i have te tett— given up and now boris, who i have to tell you,— given up and now boris, who i have to tell you, i— given up and now boris, who i have to tell you, i do believe to have to tell you, i do believe te he— have to tell you, i do believe te he e— have to tell you, i do believe te he e teeety— have to tell you, i do believe to be a deeply flawed individual and to be a deeply flawed individual the t— to be a deeply flawed individual the t teuht— to be a deeply flawed individual and i doubt his— to be a deeply flawed individual and i doubt his sincerity on hrevtt— and i doubt his sincerity on text. hut— and i doubt his sincerity on brexit. but on— and i doubt his sincerity on brexit. but on this i really do hetteve— brexit. but on this i really do believe this— brexit. but on this i really do believe this is— brexit. but on this i really do believe this is a— brexit. but on this i really do believe this is a step too far. the— believe this is a step too far. the t— believe this is a step too far.

the t ten-t— believe this is a step too far. and i don't think— believe this is a step too far. and i don't think this is all eheut— and i don't think this is all eheut the— and i don't think this is all about the cabinet office i hetteve— about the cabinet office i believe this— about the cabinet office i believe this is— about the cabinet office i believe this is political . i believe this is political. i hetteve— believe this is political. i believe that— believe this is political. i believe that rishi sunak would rather— believe that rishi sunak would rather terre— believe that rishi sunak would rather boris johnson was out of rethtee— rather boris johnson was out of eettttee. he— rather boris johnson was out of eettttee. he t— rather boris johnson was out of politics. do i sound conspiratorial ? well, perhaps i conspiratorial? well, perhaps i do conspiratorial? well, perhaps i he .— conspiratorial? well, perhaps i te . hut— conspiratorial? well, perhaps i he . hut tet— conspiratorial? well, perhaps i do . but let me— conspiratorial? well, perhaps i do. but let me ask conspiratorial? well, perhaps i do . but let me ask you, conspiratorial? well, perhaps i do. but let me ask you, is rishi trythg— do. but let me ask you, is rishi tryhg te— do. but let me ask you, is rishi tryhg te thteh— do. but let me ask you, is rishi trying to finish off— do. but let me ask you, is rishi trying to finish off boris terege— trying to finish off boris terege et— trying to finish off boris farage at gb— trying to finish off boris farage at gb news? made.com in will farage at gb news? made.com in vttt teet— farage at gb news? made.com in vttt teet teh— farage at gb news? made.com in will last ten minutes. we've teerhet— will last ten minutes. we've learned that— will last ten minutes. we've learned that the— will last ten minutes. we've learned that the three conservative - learned that the three conservative members of hertterheht— conservative members of parliament who are up, who are herhhetet— parliament who are up, who are herhhetet te— parliament who are up, who are nominated to become members of the heuee— nominated to become members of the here et— nominated to become members of the house of lords,— nominated to become members of the house of lords, could resign , the— the house of lords, could resign , the ther— the house of lords, could resign , line their seats,— the house of lords, could resign , line their seats, go to the heuee— , line their seats, go to the here et— , line their seats, go to the house of lords— , line their seats, go to the house of lords early and cause hyeteettehe— house of lords early and cause byelections so— house of lords early and cause byelections so unhappy are they vtth— byelections so unhappy are they vtth the— byelections so unhappy are they with the treatment of boris yehheeh— with the treatment of boris yehheeh e— with the treatment of boris johnson ? you— with the treatment of boris johnson ? you know what this is a johnson? you know what this is a etvtt— johnson? you know what this is a etvtt ver— johnson? you know what this is a etvtt thet— johnson? you know what this is a civil war that is— johnson? you know what this is a civil war that is playing out vtthth— civil war that is playing out vtthth the— civil war that is playing out within the conservative party . within the conservative party. no within the conservative party. he 900d_ within the conservative party. he geet trerh — within the conservative party. no good from their perspective can come of it— no good from their perspective can come of it and defeat it at the— can come of it and defeat it at the hert— can come of it and defeat it at the next election,— can come of it and defeat it at the next election, in my view, teerhe— the next election, in my view, looms ever larger.— the next election, in my view, looms ever larger. well, alex crevtey— looms ever larger. well, alex crevtey te— looms ever larger. well, alex crevtey te e— looms ever larger. well, alex crowley is a former political etvteer— crowley is a former political

etvteer te— crowley is a former political adviser to boris— crowley is a former political adviser to boris johnson, worked for adviser to boris johnson, worked ter htrh — adviser to boris johnson, worked ter htrh e— adviser to boris johnson, worked for him a couple— adviser to boris johnson, worked for him a couple of— adviser to boris johnson, worked for him a couple of times as meyer— for him a couple of times as mayer et— for him a couple of times as mayor of london,- for him a couple of times as mayor of london, and he's in number— mayor of london, and he's in humher to. — mayor of london, and he's in number 10. and— mayor of london, and he's in number 10. and alex sunak does this number 10. and alex sunak does the tree— number10. and alex sunak does the guy— number 10. and alex sunak does this nice guy public appearance . hut— this nice guy public appearance . hut t— this nice guy public appearance . hut t ththt— this nice guy public appearance . but i think he's— this nice guy public appearance . but i think he's quite ruthteee— . but i think he's quite ruthless as— . but i think he's quite ruthless as well. that's what that-e— ruthless as well. that's what thet-e whet— ruthless as well. that's what that's what has— ruthless as well. that's what that's what has been said about he — that's what has been said about he heepte— that's what has been said about him. people have— that's what has been said about him. people have been- that's what has been said about him. " that's what has been said about him. people have been sort of looking at this and saying, well, hang on, the cabinet office technically reports to the prime minister so was he aware of this? did he perhaps gently encourage this? maybe we don't know. but what we do know is that boris has already suffered for his behaviour dunng suffered for his behaviour during lockdown. right there was the partygate scandal . broadly the partygate scandal. broadly speaking, most people looked at that and said that is not the behaviour of a prime minister who is meant to be setting an example. would you agree with thete— example. would you agree with that? t— example. would you agree with that? t verte— example. would you agree with that? i would agree— c326? would you agree with that? i would agree with that. i that? i would agree with that. t vette— that? i would agree with that. tveutt recept— that? i would agree with that. i would accept that. _ that? i would agree with that. i would accept that. and- that? i would agree with that. i would accept that. and he suffered the consequences. he was forced out of office. so why are we going back all are we now going back over all of this old ground? why are we

looking at diaries? why are we saying, he was at saying, well, when he was at chequers on that particular date, was jacob rees—mogg date, was was jacob rees—mogg stood at right distance away stood at the right distance away from they were a from him when they were having a cup of tea. it's getting a little bit absurd. and the covid inquiry an important thing inquiry is an important thing and it, but it and we need to have it, but it should focussed on the actual should be focussed on the actual decisions government and what decisions of government and what they did or did not do during a pandemic, which was , we've got pandemic, which was, we've got to remember an extreme fast moving situation and a situation that at the time the people who were dealing with it, officials , ministers, etcetera, it was a totally new thing. they were having to almost make it up as they went along. listen, nobody is they went along. listen, nobody te pretehthe— they went along. listen, nobody is pretending that— they went along. listen, nobody is pretending that it— 3 listen, nobody is pretending that it was easy, not is pretending that it was easy, het ter— is pretending that it was easy, het ter ee— is pretending that it was easy, not for one moment. and i the thet— not for one moment. and i the first lockdown _ not for one moment. and i the first lockdown i— not for one moment. and i the first lockdown i had no problem vtth— first lockdown i had no problem with thereafter,— first lockdown i had no problem with thereafter, i— first lockdown i had no problem with thereafter, i had very hey-er— with thereafter, i had very major problems with and in fact, i major problems with and in fact, t have— major problems with and in fact, t have te— major problems with and in fact, t have te he— major problems with and in fact, i have to be honest, i treated the— i have to be honest, i treated the vhete— i have to be honest, i treated the whole thing— i have to be honest, i treated the whole thing with total eehterhht— the whole thing with total contempt after that as millions of contempt after that as millions et-thht— contempt after that as millions et-thht tre— contempt after that as millions et-thht the .— contempt after that as millions of-think did. but- contempt after that as millions of think did. but that's of us, i think did. but that's by the— of us, i think did. but that's by the hy— of us, i think did. but that's by the by the— of us, i think did. but that's by the by this looks vindictive teeeh-t— by the by this looks vindictive now, doesn't it? _ by the by this looks vindictive now, doesn't it? c : ' r: now, doesn't it? it does. and the problem is, of course it

makes it it makes it appear as if there are there is some political motivation behind it, whether there is or not. and of course, that is not a help at all to the conservative party because it shows boris johnson's supporters and it's a dwindling bandin supporters and it's a dwindling band in parliament. let's face it. right? it shows it . it it. right? yeah, it shows it. it gives yet another reason to gives them yet another reason to drag of this stuff up again, drag all of this stuff up again, if your objective is to prevent bofis if your objective is to prevent boris from returning to any position of power or authority ever again, then the last thing you want to do is try and make him out to be some kind of victim. the last thing you want to do is create another row. that means that people what that means that people are, what are doing now? we're talking are we doing now? we're talking about him that is boris is about him and that is boris is like any other politician. they want to be talked about. politically motivated stitch up. but politically motivated stitch up. hut etteh— politically motivated stitch up. but often those— politically motivated stitch up. but often those that are thvetvet— but often those that are involved with - but often those that are involved with the stitch up ten-t— involved with the stitch up teh-t vrevv— involved with the stitch up don't view it— involved with the stitch up don't view it in— involved with the stitch up don't view it in that way. let's thee— don't view it in that way. let's teeelherte— don't view it in that way. let's face-boris is— don't view it in that way. let's face .boris is a _ don't view it in that way. let's face boris is a member of face it, boris is a member of hertterheht— face it, boris is a member of parliament for— face it, boris is a member of parliament for uxbridge farage. etveh— parliament for uxbridge farage. etveh th— parliament for uxbridge farage. etveh h the— parliament for uxbridge farage. given in the polls— parliament for uxbridge farage.

given in the polls , given given in the polls, given demographic— given in the polls, given demographic change in london, it's demographic change in london, he tethe— demographic change in london, he gehg te— demographic change in london, he gehg te he— demographic change in london, it's going to be a— demographic change in london, it's going to be a devil of a job-— it's going to be a devil of a job- rt— it's going to be a devil of a yet. tt te— it's going to be a devil of a yet. rt te te— it's going to be a devil of a job. it is to hold- it's going to be a devil of a job. it is to hold on to it. so he— job. it is to hold on to it. so he verte— job. it is to hold on to it. so he would like— job. it is to hold on to it. so he would like to— job. it is to hold on to it. so he would like to go on the ehteteh— he would like to go on the chicken run— he would like to go on the chicken run to— he would like to go on the chicken run to henley or a safe eeet— chicken run to henley or a safe eeet. hee— chicken run to henley or a safe seat. he's done— chicken run to henley or a safe seat. he's done it— chicken run to henley or a safe seat. he's done it before. you thew,— seat. he's done it before. you thew, he-e— seat. he's done it before. you know, he's perfectly capable of tethe— know, he's perfectly capable of tehe thet— know, he's perfectly capable of tehe thet .— know, he's perfectly capable of doing that . but— know, he's perfectly capable of doing that . but i— know, he's perfectly capable of doing that . but i just think , doing that. but i just think, teeh— doing that. but i just think, teeh eveh— doing that. but i just think, look, even if— doing that. but i just think, look, even if his— doing that. but i just think, look, even if his support in hertterheht— look, even if his support in parliament is— look, even if his support in parliament is dwindling and jacob— parliament is dwindling and jacob rees—mogg is still the htgh— jacob rees—mogg is still the htgh erteet— jacob rees—mogg is still the htgh erteet et— jacob rees—mogg is still the high priest of johnson ism and, you— high priest of johnson ism and, yet they,— high priest of johnson ism and, yet they, the— high priest of johnson ism and, you know, fine .— high priest of johnson ism and, you know, fine . but the point you know, fine. but the point eheut— you know, fine. but the point eheut herte— you know, fine. but the point about boris is— you know, fine. but the point about boris is if— you know, fine. but the point about boris is if he's on your teet— about boris is if he's on your back benches,— about boris is if he's on your back benches, whether you're in geverhrheht— back benches, whether you're in geverhrheht er— back benches, whether you're in government or opposition and petehttetty— government or opposition and potentially worse than eeeeettteh— potentially worse than opposition every thing he says hete— opposition every thing he says gete rheeetve— opposition every thing he says gets massive media headlines. yes:— gets massive media headlines. yes. the— gets massive media headlines. yes. the t— gets massive media headlines. yes, and i think— gets massive media headlines. yes, and i think it— gets massive media headlines. yes, and i think it perhaps- yes, and i think it perhaps surprised a lot of people that he chose to stay in parliament. the common wisdom is that when a prime minister leaves, they tend to either i mean, some of them prime minister leaves, they tend to to her i mean, some of them prime minister leaves, they tend to to thei mean, some of them prime minister leaves, they tend to to the backbenches. of them prime minister leaves, they tend to to the backbenches. if them prime minister leaves, they tend to to the backbenches. i mean, go to the backbenches. i mean, unfortunately half of the backbenchers of ex backbenchers are full of ex prime > now that's prime ministers > now that's that-e— prime ministers > now that's thet-e e— prime ministers > now that's thet-e e fev— prime ministers > now that's that's a few of— prime ministers > now that's that's a few of them- 37” ti " > now that's that's a few of them out there. veeh— that's a few of them out there. veeh that-e— that's a few of them out there. yeah that's the _ that's a few of them out there. yeah that's the nature of these. — yeah that's the nature of ththge. hut— yeah that's the nature of things. 3 yeah that's the nature of- things. but generally speaking, the accepted is go the accepted wisdom is they go

off other things. off and do other things. boris decided by the decided to stay, which by the way, know, leaves them way, you know, leaves them subject standard of subject to a higher standard of scrutiny accountability, scrutiny and accountability, which avoided, of which he could have avoided, of course, know, the only course, you know, the only reason know how much he's reason we know how much he's paid speech because he paid for a speech because he views he's there. he thinks it's there— views he's there. he thinks it's therele— views he's there. he thinks it's there i a second _ views he's there. he thinks it's there-a second coming- there is a second coming of here— there is a second coming of herte- — there is a second coming of boris- indeed.- there is a second coming ofi boris- indeed. and boris johnson. indeed. and that's absolutely and that's absolutely right. and there people are quite a lot there are people are quite a lot of people the of people within the conservative party who obviously don't happen. so don't want that to happen. so and that's fine. that's a that's and that's fine. that's a that's a fair view. okay. it's a subject of an entirely fair debate as to whether you think bods debate as to whether you think boris the right person or the boris is the right person or the wrong person or whether people think he should should think that he should or should not. want him out not. but does rishi want him out of the way? is this i mean, am i tethe— of the way? is this i mean, am i being conspiratorial— of the way? is this i mean, am i being conspiratorial or- , is this i mean, am i being conspiratorial or is it a is being conspiratorial or is it a te rt— being conspiratorial or is it a te tt e— being conspiratorial or is it a te tt e tetr— being conspiratorial or is it a is it a fair assumption to make thet— is it a fair assumption to make that tteht — is it a fair assumption to make that tteht te— is it a fair assumption to make that rishi is quite— is it a fair assumption to make that rishi is quite happy with his that rishi is quite happy with he reeertee— that rishi is quite happy with his reports? the— that rishi is quite happy with his reports? the two police tereee— his reports? the two police tereee ee t— his reports? the two police forces, as i my,— his reports? the two police forces, as i my, my honest view is forces, as i my, my honest view te thet— forces, as i my, my honest view he that t— forces, as i my, my honest view is that i think— forces, as i my, my honest view is that i think rishi— forces, as i my, my honest view is that i think rishi sunak teeterehth— is that i think rishi sunak leadership is— is that i think rishi sunak leadership is secure until the eteetteh— leadership is secure until the eteetteh . — leadership is secure until the election . and— leadership is secure until the election . and the- leadership is secure until the election . r: election. and the reason why i think that is because i the conservative party, has done the leadership change thing now quite a few times. yes, they've

rolled the dice several times. it hasn't actually worked very well with the conservative party still way behind in the polls, albeit sunak is somewhat steadied. the ship, i think probably most conservative mps are sick and tired of the leadership shenanigans as i think they've accepted that rishi is a calm, competent, capable leader. he may not be the most inspiring leader that there's ever been, but it's very hard to do that. against the example of boris. hard to do that. against the example of boris . and the real example of boris. and the real risk to him is the election. he will either win the election somewhat against current trends. it said, will it has to be said, or he will lose it. but is there something heter— lose it. but is there something htgger 90mg— lose it. but is there something bigger going on7— lose it. but is there something bigger going on? is— c but is there something bigger going on? is we're treeueethg— bigger going on? is we're discussing boris. you know, the eutrege— discussing boris. you know, the eutrege eve— discussing boris. you know, the outrage over suella brave women vhe— outrage over suella brave women vhe t— outrage over suella brave women vhe t eeh-t— outrage over suella brave women vhe t eeh-t eee— outrage over suella brave women who i can't see anything wrong at att— who i can't see anything wrong et at. ahe— who i can't see anything wrong et at. and yet— who i can't see anything wrong at all. and yet some tories joined— at all. and yet some tories joined h.— at all. and yet some tories joined in. yeah,— at all. and yet some tories joined in. yeah, on that rob's gehe. — joined in. yeah, on that rob's gehe. veh. — joined in. yeah, on that rob's gehe. yep- ter— joined in. yeah, on that rob's gehe. yep- ter t— joined in. yeah, on that rob's gone. yep. for i thought pretty eeurteue— gone. yep. for i thought pretty spurious bullying claims it ahe— spurious bullying claims it seems. and chris over the tetegreeh— seems. and chris over the telegraph was— seems. and chris over the telegraph was on this last night thet— telegraph was on this last night that theee— telegraph was on this last night that those who _ telegraph was on this last night that those who are perceived to be that those who are perceived to he eh — that those who are perceived to he eh the — that those who are perceived to he eh the rteht— that those who are perceived to be on the right of— that those who are perceived to be on the right of the party

vhteh— be on the right of the party vhteh hy— be on the right of the party vhteh hy the— be on the right of the party which by the way would have been the eehret— which by the way would have been the centre ground— which by the way would have been the centre ground about ten yeere— the centre ground about ten yeere ete— the centre ground about ten years ago those— the centre ground about ten years ago those on the right there-e— years ago those on the right there's almost— years ago those on the right there's almost a— years ago those on the right there's almost a purge against there's almost a purge against the brexiteers_ there's almost a purge against the brexiteers .— there's almost a purge against the brexiteers . those people are the brexiteers. those people are htev— the brexiteers. those people are htev chatt— the brexiteers. those people are alex chalk are— the brexiteers. those people are alex chalk are now— the brexiteers. those people are alex chalk are now in senior eehhet— alex chalk are now in senior cabinet positions, said everhtght— cabinet positions, said overnight there's no prospect of us overnight there's no prospect of he teevthe— overnight there's no prospect of he teevthg the— overnight there's no prospect of us leaving the european court of human— us leaving the european court of human ttghte— us leaving the european court of human ttghte .— us leaving the european court of human rights . are we witnessing human rights. are we witnessing the remainers,_ human rights. are we witnessing the remainers, the— human rights. are we witnessing the remainers, the globalists ? the remainers, the globalists? yes:— the remainers, the globalists? vee the— the remainers, the globalists? yes, the social— the remainers, the globalists? yes, the social democrats. now tethe— yes, the social democrats. now tether eve— yes, the social democrats. now taking over the _ yes, the social democrats. now taking over the conservative party— taking over the conservative party the— taking over the conservative party and expunging those with more conservative views. “tit; more conservative views. there is undoubtedly a battle for what the next version of the tory party is. i think there's a lot of people in the tory party that have basically accepted defeat and they're now turning their they're now turning their attention to, okay, after the defeat happens, what sort of party do we become? and that of course is highly contestable ground because they're worried that boris will come back as maybe as leader of the opposition, which actually wouldn't be shout i wouldn't be a bad shout out. i think be. i think think actually it'd be. i think it'd be a better leader of

it'd be a much better leader of the opposition than a prime minister. it was incredible. the ether— minister. it was incredible. the ether-even— minister. it was incredible. the other-even matthew- ht. " it was incredible. the other even matthew parris, other week, even matthew parris, ehe—terrher-hhi one of the great former tory mp, ttrhee— one of the great former tory mp, times columnist— one of the great former tory mp, times columnist ,_ one of the great former tory mp, times columnist, very good vrtter— times columnist, very good writer, absolutely a remain writer, but absolutely a remain establishment,— writer, but absolutely a remain establishment, hates boris. writer, but absolutely a remain establishment, hates boris . and establishment, hates boris. and hetthev— establishment, hates boris. and even matthew parris said he rhteht— even matthew parris said he htght hete— even matthew parris said he htght mete e— even matthew parris said he might make a rather good eeeeettteh — might make a rather good opposition. oi ”cellar g: opposition. obe really good because you don't actually have to do anything. you don't have to do anything. you don't have to anything. just to run anything. you just have to run anything. you just have to turn up once a week in the commons sir keir commons and mock sir keir starmer, which does very starmer, which he does very well. yes, i think there's well. so yes, i think there's a lot of conservative mps that think, when we've if think, okay, when we've lost, if i've if i've got hold of my seat, what is the next version of the tory party become? and thatis of the tory party become? and that is a big open question. and this if you like, the this is the, if you like, the early shots in that war. you're still a fan, aren't you? - early shots in that war. you're still a fan, aren't you? i- early shots in that war. you're still a fan, aren't you? i am etttt— still a fan, aren't you? i am etttt e— still a fan, aren't you? i am etttt e ter— still a fan, aren't you? i am still a fan down— still a fan, aren't you? i am still a fan down at heart because mean, you showed me because i mean, you showed me a better you showed me a better communicator in politics apart from you, obviously. nigel well , boy, thank you . , alex, my dear boy, thank you. that was alex crowley, who knows there— that was alex crowley, who knows here-vett— that was alex crowley, who knows herte-vett hee— that was alex crowley, who knows boris well, has worked for boris very well, has worked for htrh— boris very well, has worked for htrh .— boris very well, has worked for htrh . ahe— boris very well, has worked for him . and look,— boris very well, has worked for him . and look, you know, all of him. and look, you know, all of you— him. and look, you know, all of yet-watch— him. and look, you know, all of you-watch this— him. and look, you know, all of you watch this show know

you that watch this show know t-rh — you that watch this show know t-rh -ereet— you that watch this show know i'm -great believer- you that watch this show know i'm great believer in i'm not a great believer in here— i'm not a great believer in herte er— i'm not a great believer in boris or integrity, but boris or his integrity, but i vette— boris or his integrity, but i veutt agree— boris or his integrity, but i would agree he- boris or his integrity, but i would agree he delivers a rheeeege t— would agree he delivers a message. i would agree . he message. i would agree. he ehtertethe.— message. i would agree. he entertains. would agree that entertains. i would agree that he have— entertains. i would agree that he makes headlines. but i do ththt— he makes headlines. but i do thht vhet— he makes headlines. but i do think what happened last night and think what happened last night the the— think what happened last night and the reaction— think what happened last night and the reaction towards it tetey— and the reaction towards it tetey te— and the reaction towards it tetey te e— and the reaction towards it today is a conservative party in the meet,— today is a conservative party in the midst, frankly,— today is a conservative party in the midst, frankly, of a very serious civil— the midst, frankly, of a very serious civil war. _ the midst, frankly, of a very serious civil war. and this is att— serious civil war. and this is at heeeuee— serious civil war. and this is all because of— serious civil war. and this is all because of the earthquake eettet— all because of the earthquake called brexit. _ all because of the earthquake called brexit. these are still the— called brexit. these are still the aftershocks— called brexit. these are still the aftershocks of brexit. and there— the aftershocks of brexit. and there ere— the aftershocks of brexit. and there ee— the aftershocks of brexit. and there are so many, sadly , in there are so many, sadly, in eeheervettve— there are so many, sadly, in conservative high command who trehtty— conservative high command who teeth have— conservative high command who frankly have never— conservative high command who frankly have never accepted it. vett— frankly have never accepted it. yet th— frankly have never accepted it. yet h e— frankly have never accepted it. well, in a moment, it we're going— well, in a moment, it we're gehg te— well, in a moment, it we're gehg te teth— well, in a moment, it we're going to talk to— well, in a moment, it we're going to talk to a veteran in rherhehr— going to talk to a veteran in rherhehr et— going to talk to a veteran in member of the— going to talk to a veteran in member of the conservative party , et— member of the conservative party , et the— member of the conservative party , one of the most— member of the conservative party , one of the most famous female hettttetehe— , one of the most famous female pettttetehe th— , one of the most famous female politicians in the— , one of the most famous female politicians in the history of the— politicians in the history of the eeuhtry— politicians in the history of the eeuhtry .— politicians in the history of this country , ann widdecombe, this country, ann widdecombe, vhe— this country, ann widdecombe, vhe vttt— this country, ann widdecombe, who will tell— this country, ann widdecombe, who will tell us— this country, ann widdecombe, who will tell us why the pledge by who will tell us why the pledge hy tteht — who will tell us why the pledge by rishi sunak— who will tell us why the pledge by rishi sunak for— who will tell us why the pledge by rishi sunak for us to join the— by rishi sunak for us to join the tureheeh— by rishi sunak for us to join the european defence union can you the european defence union can yet hetteve— the european defence union can yet hetteve rte— the european defence union can you believe it? but— the european defence union can you believe it? but to join the ttreheeh— you believe it? but to join the european defence union is the htgeeet— european defence union is the biggest betrayal— european defence union is the biggest betrayal of brexit yet

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radio. well, aim widdecombe was a radio. well, ann widdecombe was t tene— radio. well, ann widdecombe was t tehg eervthg— 33h: well, ann widdecombe was a long serving conservative rherhehr— a long serving conservative rherhehr et— a long serving conservative member of parliament and indeed , rhthteter.— member of parliament and indeed , rhthteter. she,— member of parliament and indeed , minister. she, of— member of parliament and indeed , minister. she, of course, reeehet— , minister. she, of course, reached even— , minister. she, of course, reached even bigger fame with etrtetty— reached even bigger fame with strtetty ceme— reached even bigger fame with strictly come dancing and then in strictly come dancing and then he here,— strictly come dancing and then in 2019, decided— strictly come dancing and then in 2019, decided brexit had gone eehetetety— in 2019, decided brexit had gone eemetetety .— in 2019, decided brexit had gone completely , hopelessly off the completely, hopelessly off the rete— completely, hopelessly off the rate ttrthg— completely, hopelessly off the rails during the— completely, hopelessly off the rails during the brexit party the— rails during the brexit party and eervet— rails during the brexit party and served as— rails during the brexit party and served as an mep. rails during the brexit party and served as an mep . her column and served as an mep. her column in and served as an mep. her column h tetey-e— and served as an mep. her column h tetey-e hetty— and served as an mep. her column in today's daily express was eheetttety— in today's daily express was absolutely coruscating about where— absolutely coruscating about where ehe— absolutely coruscating about where she believes rishi sunak is where she believes rishi sunak te tethe— where she believes rishi sunak is taking brexit,— where she believes rishi sunak is taking brexit, and she joins me is taking brexit, and she joins he teth— is taking brexit, and she joins he tevh the— is taking brexit, and she joins me down the line from her home in me down the line from her home he heveh— me down the line from her home he heveh rteht— me down the line from her home in devon right now.— me down the line from her home in devon right now. and good evening-— in devon right now. and good evening. welcome to the program . tetr— evening. welcome to the program . vetr erhhtt— evening. welcome to the program . your column today— evening. welcome to the program . your column today , well it . your column today, well it tett— . your column today, well it tett hehety— . your column today, well it left nobody in— . your column today, well it left nobody in any doubt as to thet— left nobody in any doubt as to what yet— left nobody in any doubt as to what you think,— left nobody in any doubt as to what you think, which of course, yetr— what you think, which of course, your trademark— what you think, which of course, your trademark work over the yee— your trademark work over the ye htt— your trademark work over the ye htt yet— your trademark work over the years. but you began by by eherthe— years. but you began by by eherthg e— years. but you began by by sharing a tweet— years. but you began by by sharing a tweet from rishi sunak reeehtty— sharing a tweet from rishi sunak reeehtty .— sharing a tweet from rishi sunak recently . please— sharing a tweet from rishi sunak recently . please tell us what it recently. please tell us what it eart— recently. please tell us what it eett .— recently. please tell us what it eett . eh— recently. please tell us what it eett . eh tt— recently. please tell us what it said . oh, it said—

recently. please tell us what it said . oh, it said ,_ recently. please tell us what it said . oh, it said , there should said. oh, it said, there should be said. oh, it said, there should he he— said. oh, it said, there should be no competition between trtehte— be no competition between friends and,— be no competition between friends and, you know, if there-e— friends and, you know, if there-e he— friends and, you know, if there's no competition, then vett— there's no competition, then ve-tt att— there's no competition, then we'll all innovate faster. \vt::r we'll all innovate faster. no, no competition _ we'll all innovate faster. no, no competition between friends. now you know, that is in itself a complete nonsense. it's why he is realigning us with the eu . is realigning us with the eu. whereas i thought the whole purpose of brexit was that we could compete with the eu. you can still stay friends and compete as i said in my column, rishi sunak politician even he's been competing all his life. now he must have been competing with friends occasionally . otherwise friends occasionally. otherwise he's got an awful lot of enemies is all i can say. you know. he's got an awful lot of enemies is all i can say. you know . and is all i can say. you know. and it's normal for countries to compete. they compete in sport. they compete in business, they compete in exports. you can still save friendly and allied , still save friendly and allied, but competition is for the benefit of your own country . and benefit of your own country. and rishi is just throwing that away and never is it more often we're told an over and over that rishi sunak was a brexiteer , but i

sunak was a brexiteer, but i have to say i never saw him on the campaign trail. have to say i never saw him on the campaign trail . know what he the campaign trail. know what he voted? he says he voted brexit. now, why did he vote brexit? you know, what was it he believed? if he believed we should ditch the single market, why is he inflict it on northern ireland and actually, you know, contribute to the break up of, i reckon eventually of the uk by leaving northern ireland effective , even if not legally effective, even if not legally behind in the eu? yeah. why did he. yeah. i don't want to compete with the eu. why did he vote brexit? i wish he'd tell us. well yeah, i think because actually he in his north yorkshire constituency there were so many small farmers who'd had enough of eu red tape that maybe he feared reselection. but moving on to an even more serious issue now.— but moving on to an even more serious issue now. now in 2014, i serious issue now. now in 2014, t thet— serious issue now. now in 2014, t the e— serious issue now. now in 2014, t the e heat— serious issue now. now in 2014, i did a head to— serious issue now. now in 2014, i did a head to head debate with thet— i did a head to head debate with ttet chee— i did a head to head debate with ttet ctegg, theh— i did a head to head debate with nick clegg, then deputy prime three.— nick clegg, then deputy prime minister. when— nick clegg, then deputy prime minister. when i— nick clegg, then deputy prime minister. when i said one of the t thet— minister. when i said one of the reasons i did not— minister. when i said one of the reasons i did not want to be rherhehr— reasons i did not want to be rherhehr e— reasons i did not want to be member a member of the european thteh— member a member of the european then he— member a member of the european union is iwanted_ member a member of the european union is iwanted.part- member a member of the european union is wanted part in a union is i wanted no part in a ttreheeh— union is i wanted no part in a ttreeeeh army.— union is i wanted no part in a european army. i— union is i wanted no part in a european army. i thought nato was european army. i thought nato the—

european army. i thought nato the rtght— european army. i thought nato was the right defensive etrtettre— was the right defensive structure for- was the right defensive structure for us to be a very thherteht— structure for us to be a very theerteht hert— structure for us to be a very important part of. and i gehthety— important part of. and i genuinely believed that by teevthg— genuinely believed that by teevhg the— genuinely believed that by leaving the eu— genuinely believed that by leaving the eu we would stick to thro— leaving the eu we would stick to were the— leaving the eu we would stick to were and het— leaving the eu we would stick to nato and not european military erttettree— nato and not european military structures. but— nato and not european military structures. but the most theerteht— structures. but the most important thing you wrote today was important thing you wrote today ehett— important thing you wrote today ehett the— important thing you wrote today was about the european defence thteh— was about the european defence thteh thet— was about the european defence three and et— was about the european defence union and our recent decision on vee— union and our recent decision on yes .— union and our recent decision on vee , t— union and our recent decision on vee , t meth— union and our recent decision on vee , t he— union and our recent decision on yes , i mean, no man can serve yes, i mean, no man can serve the— yes, i mean, no man can serve tve rheetere — yes, i mean, no man can serve two masters. we're- yes, i mean, no man can serve two masters. �*vvr�*ti; ”c: t; b two masters. we're either in nato or we're in the european defence union trying to serve both simply won't work, certainly not in the medium to long term. now i'm quite happy to have some defence cooperation in in the same way that america is. but america's got a loose agreement with the eu. we as usual are tying ourselves down to a whole load of conditions. just listen to this one. we have to this is in order to be a member of the fully fledged union, the defence union, we have to give an endorsement for eu expansion , give an

eu expansion, give an endorsement for eu expansion . endorsement for eu expansion. and we then told this we have to agree to the eu's export restrictions for any capable 80s or technologies created as a result of the involvement of a non eu state. in other words, they will own the intellectual property to everything we do. it is an absolute madness . now, if is an absolute madness. now, if we were going down the american route and saying yes, you know, we'll have a non legally binding agreement with you and based on very loose principles, that's fine . don't have a problem with fine. don't have a problem with that. what i have a problem with we've got to convince the eu of our suitability , our our suitability, our suitability, given what we contribute to nato, our suitability to belong to the european defence union and when we've done that, then we enter into a legally binding agreement now and of course and of course this will cover defence procurement as well . i mean, i'm procurement as well. i mean, i'm so procurement as well. i mean, i'm ee tehreeeet— procurement as well. i mean, i'm so depressed about— procurement as well. i mean, i'm so depressed about this- f i mean, i'm so depressed about this because i so depressed about this because t — so depressed about this because tve eeythg— so depressed about this because i was saying there—

so depressed about this because i was saying there were two big the— i was saying there were two big trerh — i was saying there were two big wins from brexit. _ i was saying there were two big wins from brexit. one was constitutional.— wins from brexit. one was constitutional. we've actually teth— constitutional. we've actually tett, vveve— constitutional. we've actually left, we've reversed the status quo— left, we've reversed the status tte .— left, we've reversed the status tte . vve— left, we've reversed the status tte . vve hey— left, we've reversed the status tte . we may het— left, we've reversed the status quo . we may not be happy with quo. we may not be happy with thet— quo. we may not be happy with what the— quo. we may not be happy with what the tories— quo. we may not be happy with what the tories have done with it what the tories have done with tt-rhehy— what the tories have done with tt-rhehy eureht — what the tories have done with it many aren't. but it was it and many aren't. but it was at teeet— it and many aren't. but it was at teeet e— it and many aren't. but it was at least a win.— it and many aren't. but it was at least a win. the— it and many aren't. but it was at least a win. the other win i hettevett— at least a win. the other win i believed, was— at least a win. the other win i believed, was in— at least a win. the other win i believed, was in foreign policy there— believed, was in foreign policy where we— believed, was in foreign policy where we know— believed, was in foreign policy where we know done the aukus believed, was in foreign policy wherrwith know done the aukus believed, was in foreign policy wherrwith australia,a the aukus believed, was in foreign policy wherrwith australia, takentukus believed, was in foreign policy wherrwith australia, taken the js deal with australia, taken the teat — deal with australia, taken the teat eh— deal with australia, taken the lead on ukraine.— deal with australia, taken the lead on ukraine. whether you agree— lead on ukraine. whether you agree vtth— lead on ukraine. whether you agree with the— lead on ukraine. whether you agree with the policies irrelevant. _ agree with the policies irrelevant. took agree with the policies irrelevant-took lead , irrelevant. we took the lead, htt— irrelevant. we took the lead, htt thre— irrelevant. we took the lead, but this threatens , doesn't it, but this threatens, doesn't it, to but this threatens, doesn't it, te teetrey— but this threatens, doesn't it, to destroy even— but this threatens, doesn't it, to destroy even that totally hrhte. — to destroy even that totally hrhte. t— to destroy even that totally arnie. i mean,— to destroy even that totally arnie. i mean, this- to destroy even that totally arnie. " : to destroy even that totally arnie. to destroy even that totally- arnie. i mean, this would tie us into the eu and its rules and its dominance , which i thought its dominance, which i thought was the reason why we left this would actually tie us in. and there's no need for it. we've got not an organisation in nato that has kept the peace actually kept the peace ever since the second world war. doesn't have to prove itself. what on earth has the european defence union done that is even comparable ? done that is even comparable? yeah, well, no. and i'm told thet— yeah, well, no. and i'm told that tee— yeah, well, no. and i'm told that top brass— yeah, well, no. and i'm told that top brass are very, very unhappy— that top brass are very, very thheeey vtth— that top brass are very, very unhappy with this, and yet the

geverhrheht— unhappy with this, and yet the government has— unhappy with this, and yet the government has gone ahead and tve— government has gone ahead and he heeh— government has gone ahead and i've been watching— government has gone ahead and i've been watching this with hatt— i've been watching this with hett eh— i've been watching this with hett eh ter— i've been watching this with half an for eye— i've been watching this with half an for eye months, years verrythg— half an for eye months, years verrythg ehett— half an for eye months, years worrying about whether this vettt— worrying about whether this vettt happen.— worrying about whether this would happen. and your column in tetey-e— would happen. and your column in tetey-e tvereee— would happen. and your column in today's express gave— would happen. and your column in today's express gave me the eeeertthtty— today's express gave me the eeeertthtty te— today's express gave me the opportunity to air this and tehete— opportunity to air this and debate this. _ opportunity to air this and debate this. but let me ask you the— debate this. but let me ask you the. he— debate this. but let me ask you this. as somebody— debate this. but let me ask you this. as somebody who's been tethe— this. as somebody who's been around current— this. as somebody who's been around current affairs debate hettttee— around current affairs debate eettttee ter— around current affairs debate eettttee ter e— around current affairs debate politics for a very long time , politics for a very long time, the— politics for a very long time, the re— politics for a very long time, the he e— politics for a very long time, the he e very— politics for a very long time, this is a very significant move . hytv— this is a very significant move . hytv tt— this is a very significant move . tytv rt yet— this is a very significant move . kyiv if you showed it to teeth— . kyiv if you showed it to brexit voters, _ . kyiv if you showed it to brexit voters, you know, on her— brexit voters, you know, on their doorsteps, _ brexit voters, you know, on their doorsteps, physically , the their doorsteps, physically, the vet— their doorsteps, physically, the veet hey-ertty— their doorsteps, physically, the vast majority would be absolutely— vast majority would be absolutely horrified. but let me ask absolutely horrified. but let me get yet,— absolutely horrified. but let me get yet, ee— absolutely horrified. but let me eet yet, ee e— absolutely horrified. but let me ask you, as a longtime observer ehe— ask you, as a longtime observer and engage— ask you, as a longtime observer and engage th— ask you, as a longtime observer and engager in these debates , and engager in these debates, why— and engager in these debates, why he— and engager in these debates, why he the— and engager in these debates, why is this not— and engager in these debates, why is this not being discussed? why— why is this not being discussed? vvhy ere— why is this not being discussed? vvhy yet— why is this not being discussed? vvhy yet the— why is this not being discussed? why are you and i— why is this not being discussed? why are you and i here on gb heve— why are you and i here on gb teve tetthg— why are you and i here on gb news talking about this and no ether— news talking about this and no other channel— news talking about this and no other channel or— news talking about this and no other channel or no other heveeeeer— other channel or no other heveeeeer te— other channel or no other newspaper is ? �*vvr�*tigc r: other channel or no other- newspaper is ? well, i drew the newspaper is? well, i drew the analogy in my column today when

gordon brown carried out a pensions raid based on some very technical thing called advance corporation tax relief , which corporation tax relief, which they all talk about that in the pig they all talk about that in the pig and whistle, don't they? nobody understood what it was about. nobody understood what it was about . and so they were able to about. and so they were able to go ahead and do it. about. and so they were able to go ahead and do it . and now this go ahead and do it. and now this is exactly the same thing happening with the european defence union. people don't understand and what it involves. it's too complicated. they don't want to hear from us any more than they wanted to hear from the tories. when the pensions raid was on and it will be too late yet to discover what's happened and if this goes ahead. so so we've got to somehow get this into the public consciousness and get it over in language that people can understand. absolutely final thought, an i mean- understand. absolutely final thought, an i mean ,- c. 3: ' dint final thought, an i mean , you called thought, an i mean, you called the hrtrhe— thought, an i mean, you called the prime minister— thought, an i mean, you called the prime minister a fool. that e htt— the prime minister a fool. that was a bit over— the prime minister a fool. that was a bit over the— the prime minister a fool. that was a bit over the top, wasn't it? was a bit over the top, wasn't he he— was a bit over the top, wasn't he he — was a bit over the top, wasn't he he t— was a bit over the top, wasn't it? no i mean,— was a bit over the top, wasn't it? no i mean, he- was a bit over the top, wasn't it? no i mean, he is- was a bit over the top, wasn't it? no " hit" it? no i mean, he is a fool on this. you know, i'm not saying he's a fool on absolutely everything. of course he's not. nobody's a fool on absolutely everything. but this, he's

everything. but on this, he's a fool. i mean, it's like saying i was a fool to do such and such. rishi, you're fool to do this. rishi, you're a fool to do this. and whittingham, the redoubtable and widdecombe. _ and whittingham, the redoubtable and widdecombe. you for and widdecombe. thank you for joining— and widdecombe. thank you for joining rhe— and widdecombe. thank you for joining me tonight. here on gb heve— joining me tonight. here on gb heve. heh— joining me tonight. here on gb news. well the— joining me tonight. here on gb news. well the great thing about an news. well the great thing about en te— news. well the great thing about en te yet-re— news. well the great thing about an is you're never— news. well the great thing about an is you're never confused as to an is you're never confused as te whet— an is you're never confused as te vhet ehe— an is you're never confused as to what she thinks— an is you're never confused as to what she thinks or what she hehevee— to what she thinks or what she believes, but— to what she thinks or what she believes, but she's right. this is believes, but she's right. this he e— believes, but she's right. this he e very— believes, but she's right. this he e very erg,— believes, but she's right. this is a very big, serious issue. the— is a very big, serious issue. hht hehety— is a very big, serious issue. and nobody else- is a very big, serious issue. and nobody else actually wants to and nobody else actually wants te teth— and nobody else actually wants te teth ghett— and nobody else actually wants to talk about it— and nobody else actually wants to talk about it in— and nobody else actually wants to talk about it in a moment. is heh— to talk about it in a moment. is heh hesehtte— to talk about it in a moment. is ron desantis wise— to talk about it in a moment. is ron desantis wise to enter the eehteet— ron desantis wise to enter the eehteet .— ron desantis wise to enter the eehteet , htt— ron desantis wise to enter the contest , but to— ron desantis wise to enter the contest , but to get the contest, but to get the republican— contest, but to get the republican presidential nomination— republican presidential nomination or could he be so temeget— nomination or could he be so tehegee hy— nomination or could he be so damaged by this— nomination or could he be so damaged by this contest that it hthe— damaged by this contest that it hthe hte— damaged by this contest that it hurts his chances— damaged by this contest that it hurts his chances in 2028

are like, oh my god, what's she doing now? join me every sunday at eh— doing now? join me every sunday at eh ter— doing now? join me every sunday at six for gloria— doing now? join me every sunday at six for gloria meets— r:t::r g , join me every sunday at six for gloria meets only on gb at six for gloria meets only on he heve— at six for gloria meets only on gb news, britain's— at six for gloria meets only on gb news, britain's. new �*fvr�*tigc gb news, britain's. new well, et— gb news, britain's. new well, et yetr— gb news, britain's. new well, some of your reaction to that debate about boris johnson . is debate about boris johnson. is there a real game going on here? is rishi trying to finish boris off some of your thoughts? one

viewer says, i think that johnson was a huge disappointment as pm, but i think sunak is terrified of him and he has form in being deceitful and stabbing johnson in the back. well, that's probably true. so yes, he probably true. so yes, he probably is. another says that i'm pretty sure both of them are trying to finish off the conservative party. not that we've had one for a number of years now. no they're social democrats, you're quite right. and one more, says never and one more, ryan says never mind, boris. rishi is trying to finish brexit off . and i think finish brexit off. and i think our last guest , ann finish brexit off. and i think our last guest, ann widdecombe, would very much agree with that. now, at 11 pm. uk time tonight, the governor of florida, ron desantis , on twitter, on twitter desantis, on twitter, on twitter spaces, being interviewed by elon musk will all announce his presidency , his run to become presidency, his run to become the nominee for the republican party . and there are two parts party. and there are two parts to this. one is the sheer significance of twitter. since

elon musk bought it. now he may well have paid a ridiculous price for it, and it's going to take a heck of a long time to get that money back. but think, think of a figure like desantis using twitter to announce it. tucker carlson, formerly of fox news , about to once he sorted news, about to once he sorted out his contractual problems about to do a show on on twitter myself , i'm about to do a show on on twitter myself, i'm getting more engaged over the next few weeks with my fans on twitter. that of itself is very significant. shouldn't be forgotten . and frankly, you be forgotten. and frankly, you know , even though i'm a friend, know, even though i'm a friend, you know, i'm a friend of donald trump's, i can see that musk is going to come out and back desantis, but that's his choice in a free world. but that aside, i do think that musk is frankly a bit of a hero , that he's a bit of a hero, that he's turning twitter back into what it should be, you know, a public square , a debate for the world. square, a debate for the world. but is ron desantis wise to go

into battle with donald trump? you see it seems to me it's rather like a young rookie saying in his prime 30 years ago to mike tyson, let's have a bout the danger is that tyson damages you so much that you're not fit to fight again on. and my personal fear for desantis, who i do believe is done a great job as the governor of florida and been very, very bold and very, very brave, is getting involved with donald trump may well damage him for 2028. well jennifer ewing is spokesperson for republicans overseas uk . for republicans overseas uk. jennifer i'm not asking you to take sides on this. it's difficult given where you are . i difficult given where you are. i get that. and i also accept my own prejudice. trump is a friend. i've met ron desantis. i had dinner with ron desantis. i like ron desantis. i think it's great. we got a 44 year old, you know, coming through in republican politics. but given

that trump is 30 points ahead in the republican polls for the primaries, what is desantis trying to achieve? well, and i'm tetghhg— trying to achieve? well, and i'm laughing because— trying to achieve? well, and i'm laughing because you- q g art tinti?’ well, and i'm laughing because you said q g ehi tinti?’ well, and i'm laughing because you said is q g e�*hf tinti?’ well, and i'm laughing because you said is it tree— laughing because you said is it ter— laughing because you said is it ter hth— laughing because you said is it wise for him to— laughing because you said is it wise for him to go— laughing because you said is it wise for him to go to battle vhh— wise for him to go to battle vhh trtrhee — wise for him to go to battle with trump? i— wise for him to go to battle with trump? i think the issue is if he doesn't do it now and i know so many, you know, the joke is that desantis has so many trump supporters , they just want trump supporters, they just want him to run in 2028. right. so many of them feel that trump did not get his second term. they want 20, 20, 24 to be trump's second term. so they're just saying, desantis, we love what you're doing in florida. we love a lot of your policies. can you just hold on another four years and we will have your back? the problem as as you know, you problem is as as you know, you know, anything can happen . know, anything can happen. politics is fascinating. of politics is so fascinating. of course. of course. of course. that huge for ron that is a huge risk for ron desantis to wait four years. anything can happen in that time. look back at this time. if we look back at this time. if we look back at this time in 2008, giuliani was ahead in the polls right . and we look in the polls right. and we look back in 2000, mccain when john

mccain was ahead in the polls. so anything can happen. how do you rate ron desantis? well , i you rate ron desantis? well, i think he's interesting.- you rate ron desantis? well, i think he's interesting. - you rate ron desantis? well, i think he's interesting. i- 3t::r" h“ well, i think he's interesting. i think he hee— think he's interesting. i think he has tene— think he's interesting. i think he has done a— think he's interesting. i think he has done a fantastic job in florida for sure. and he won florida. i mean, i was there for the— florida. i mean, i was there for the rhtherrhe.— florida. i mean, i was there for the midterms. yeah.— r:eh i mean, i was there for the midterms. yeah. yeah i remember we— the midterms. yeah. yeah i remember we talked to you, i ththh. — remember we talked to you, i ththh. htt— remember we talked to you, i think. and he— remember we talked to you, i think. and he won- remember we talked to you, i think. r: $20 think. and he won by 20 points. yeah . and around— think. and he won by 20 points. yeah . and around the— think. and he won by 20 points. yeah . and around the rest- think. r: 20 yeah . and around the rest of yeah. and around the rest of hmertee— yeah. and around the rest of america. yeah.— yeah. and around the rest of america. yeah. yeah. the heethtteeh— america. yeah. yeah. the republican party disappointed. and the— republican party disappointed. and the re— republican party disappointed. and this is going to be his big hhth— and this is going to be his big theh. tre— and this is going to be his big pitch. his pitch— and this is going to be his big pitch. his pitch is— and this is going to be his big pitch. his pitch is going to be. the— pitch. his pitch is going to be. the her— pitch. his pitch is going to be. the her yeere— pitch. his pitch is going to be. i'm 44 years old.— pitch. his pitch is going to be. i'm 44 years old. donald's going to i'm 44 years old. donald's going te he— i'm 44 years old. donald's going te he eh— i'm 44 years old. donald's going te he 77. h— i'm 44 years old. donald's going te he 77. th e— i'm 44 years old. donald's going to be 77. in a couple of weeks the. — to be 77. in a couple of weeks the. t— to be 77. in a couple of weeks the. t veh— to be 77. in a couple of weeks time. i won florida- to be 77. in a couple of weeks time. i won florida . to be 77. in a couple of weeks time. i won florida. i'm the eteetteh— time. i won florida. i'm the election winner— time. i won florida. i'm the election winner . htt» time. i won florida. i'm the election winner. \t::r ”hi: election winner. no, you're right. it will be. and i think , right. it will be. and i think, you know, as far as we're concerned, right now at this point in the race and you said, i know it's you know, i'm not asking to take a side. sure. asking you to take a side. sure. it would be too early to take a side, quite frankly. you know what we want to hear as republicans who want than republicans who want more than anything to end this anything else to end this ridiculous administration ridiculous biden administration and he's and the damaging policies he's had last, what, only had over the last, what, only two years? and by the way, his

poll that he has poll ratings show that he has i think the most unfavourable rating from anyone since like truman or something. it's pretty low. so but anyway, back to your point about desantis, you know, saying, hey, i won florida. look we want a winner, right? but we also want a lot of different voices. and what i like with desantis getting in this race, just like i like what tim scott getting in the race a few days ago and vivek getting in the race, they each bring something important , in race, they each bring something important, in my opinion, to the conversation . you know, i met conversation. you know, i met vtveh— conversation. you know, i met vivek ramaswamy_ i" you know, i met vivek ramaswamy when was over vivek ramaswamy when i was over at ethe— vivek ramaswamy when i was over at the hethg— vivek ramaswamy when i was over at chhc, vethg gty— vivek ramaswamy when i was over at cpac, young guy, very bright hheherteh— at cpac, young guy, very bright libertarian, hates— at cpac, young guy, very bright libertarian, hates the big ethe— libertarian, hates the big state, valuable contribution hehteh— state, valuable contribution eehteh te— state, valuable contribution portion to this— state, valuable contribution portion to this whole debate. tth-t— portion to this whole debate. ceh-t vh— portion to this whole debate. cent the .— portion to this whole debate. can't win , but— portion to this whole debate. can't win , but a— portion to this whole debate. can't win , but a valuable but can't win, but a valuable but a vettehte— can't win, but a valuable but a valuable contribution to this tethe— valuable contribution to this tehete. ahe— valuable contribution to this debate. and tim scott , valuable contribution to this debate. and tim scott, very ehehte— debate. and tim scott, very affable and— debate. and tim scott, very affable and could even become the vhe— affable and could even become the vice presidential running eehhtete— the vice presidential running candidate for— the vice presidential running candidate for trump, i think. the— candidate for trump, i think. and there— candidate for trump, i think. and there is— candidate for trump, i think. and there is some chance of that . i and there is some chance of that . t ttet— and there is some chance of that . t ttet t— and there is some chance of that . the t meth— and there is some chance of that . i just i mean, between trump ehe—

. i just i mean, between trump eht hesehtte— . i just i mean, between trump and desantis in— . i just i mean, between trump and desantis in policy terms, i trehhty— and desantis in policy terms, i trehhty .— and desantis in policy terms, i mean, frankly , i— and desantis in policy terms, i mean, frankly , i couldn't put mean, frankly, i couldn't put thet— mean, frankly, i couldn't put that theee— mean, frankly, i couldn't put that eteee et— mean, frankly, i couldn't put that piece of paper between them. — that piece of paper between them. they— that piece of paper between them. they are— that piece of paper between them. they are they are pretty rhteh— them. they are they are pretty rhteh eh— them. they are they are pretty rhteh eh the— them. they are they are pretty much on the same ticket . but in much on the same ticket. but in terme— much on the same ticket. but in terrhe et— much on the same ticket. but in terms of philosophy and belief. so terms of philosophy and belief. he the— terms of philosophy and belief. so this comes— terms of philosophy and belief. so this comes down, doesn't it, reetty— so this comes down, doesn't it, reehy, te— so this comes down, doesn't it, really, to personality? it comes teth— really, to personality? it comes tevh te— really, to personality? it comes down to personality . ' r: down to personality. and i reehee— down to personality. and i realise that— down to personality. and i realise that desantis doesn't have the personality that trump does. you know, the wonderful girl who does. yeah, exactly. the wonderful example is, you know, trump, once said know, trump, i once said to trump, i said trump, trump, i once said to trump, i was him in mar—a—lago . i was with him in mar—a—lago. i said, you know, you're the only hereeh— said, you know, you're the only eereeh thet— said, you know, you're the only person that makes— said, you know, you're the only person that makes me feel like an thtreveh.— person that makes me feel like an introvert. you— person that makes me feel like an introvert. you know, i can't hhtghe.— an introvert. you know, i can't theghe. teth— an introvert. you know, i can't imagine. yeah, he— an introvert. you know, i can't imagine. yeah, he doesn't. but htt— imagine. yeah, he doesn't. but htt-gehg— imagine. yeah, he doesn't. but htt-gehglge- imagine. yeah, he doesn't. but but-goinglgo on. imagine. yeah, he doesn't. buti but-goinglgo on the but but he's going to go on the age— but but he's going to go on the age ththg— but but he's going to go on the age thhg, ten-t— but but he's going to go on the age thing, isn't he? but he cant— age thing, isn't he? but he cant hth— age thing, isn't he? but he can't win, can— age thing, isn't he? but he can't win, can who descended can't win, can he? who descended 7 can't win, can he? who descended e oh— can't win, can he? who descended e oh he— can't win, can he? who descended e oh no he— can't win, can he? who descended ? oh no he can't— can't win, can he? who descended ? o" f?" c " well can't win, can he? who descended ? o" i " c " well he ? oh no he can't win. well he can't ? oh no he can't win. well he cant vh— ? oh no he can't win. well he cent the thet— ? o" i " c " well he can't win that nomination. i vhhh— can't win that nomination. i which nomination?- can't win that nomination. i which nomination? the- can't win that nomination. i which nomination? the gop or the general election. no, no, no, no, different thing. you no, no. different thing. you know, these are no, no. different thing. you know, these-are goingj no, no. different thing. you. know, these-are going to no, no. different thing. you- know, these-are going to be know, these guys are going to be hete— know, these guys are going to be heat—e— know, these guys are going to be head—a battle- know, these guys are going to be head—a battle for- head to head in a battle for thee— head to head in a battle for thee gehg— head to head in a battle for thee gehg te— head to head in a battle for who's going to be the republican eehhtete. — who's going to be the republican candidate. -beat- who's going to be the republican candidate. beat trump. candidate. he can't beat trump. ohey. — candidate. he can't beat trump. ohey. -htt— candidate. he can't beat trump. ohey. -htt tethe— candidate. he can't beat trump. okay. .but let's look- candidate. he can't beat trump. okay. .but let's look at- candidate. he can't beat trump. okay. .but let's look at onel okay. yeah but let's look at one thing. one thing that i just

read. i think it was yesterday, the new york depher and one of these ridiculous , really these ridiculous, really ludicrous cases against trump, which all of us, you know, republicans overseas have been, although they look serious , i although they look serious, i mean, the charges are themselves are serious. even. dershowitz you know , who is just wants to you know, who is just wants to chance to vote against trump again , is saying this is trumped again, is saying this is trumped up. but they they are putting trump's court date in march 2024. right. which is right in the middle of the midterms. so there's so much trash that's going to be, you know, also thrown at trump. and i'm not worried about the republican voters. we will get behind whoever is our candidate . so whoever is our candidate. so what i'm worried about is the independence, right? because that's what we're all fighting for. you know , the democrats are for. you know, the democrats are going to vote who they're going to vote for who they're going to vote for who they're going vote for. the going to vote for. and the democratic side, republicans democratic side, the republicans are vote for who are going to vote for who they're vote for. so they're going to vote for. so it's the people in the middle and i do that trump just and i do fear that trump just has too much baggage has a little too much baggage for a lot of these independent

voters. no, i get it. i get it. jennifer ewing. _ voters. no, i get it. i get it. jennifer ewing. i— voters. no, i get it. i get it. jennifer ewing. i get- \t::t gig c iget it. jennifer ewing. i get it. i understand— jennifer ewing. i get it. i understand it.- jennifer ewing. i get it. i understand it. suburban women, thet— understand it. suburban women, that eettt— understand it. suburban women, that eettt he— understand it. suburban women, that could be the— understand it. suburban women, that could be the problem that hthe— that could be the problem that trump teeee — that could be the problem that trump faces. no,— that could be the problem that trump faces. no, no . although trump faces. no, no. although etehh— trump faces. no, no. although glenn youngkin_ trump faces. no, no. although glenn youngkin won virginia with ethtrheh— glenn youngkin won virginia with suburban women— glenn youngkin won virginia with suburban women on an education htetterrh— suburban women on an education etetterrh ehe-e— suburban women on an education platform, she's been very , very platform, she's been very, very rhhhte— platform, she's been very, very rhhhte et— platform, she's been very, very middle of the— platform, she's been very, very middle of the road. there's no gteetteh— middle of the road. there's no question trump— middle of the road. there's no question trump will win that hehhetteh— question trump will win that herhthetteh .— question trump will win that nomination . a— question trump will win that nomination . a couple of quick nomination. a couple of quick thetghte. — nomination. a couple of quick thoughts. what— nomination. a couple of quick thoughts. what the farage eethhg— thoughts. what the farage eethhg, the— thoughts. what the farage polling, the snp in so much trethte— polling, the snp in so much trethte th— polling, the snp in so much trouble in scotland, the latest prey-eetteh— trouble in scotland, the latest ereyheetteh te— trouble in scotland, the latest projection is that— trouble in scotland, the latest projection is that labour will vh— projection is that labour will the ee— projection is that labour will the es eeete— projection is that labour will win 23 seats in— projection is that labour will win 23 seats in scotland and eettetty— win 23 seats in scotland and actually scotland could be where for actually scotland could be where her tehetr— actually scotland could be where her tehetr get— actually scotland could be where for labour get that— actually scotland could be where for labour get that very clear hey-ertty— for labour get that very clear hey-ertty .— for labour get that very clear majority , which— for labour get that very clear majority , which i— for labour get that very clear majority , which i believe they majority, which i believe they vht— majority, which i believe they vht ehe— majority, which i believe they will and astonishing . a media will and astonishing. a media heh— will and astonishing. a media hett et— will and astonishing. a media poll of 45,000— will and astonishing. a media poll of 45,000 people and a vhete— poll of 45,000 people and a whole series— poll of 45,000 people and a whole series of— poll of 45,000 people and a whole series of sections. but when— whole series of sections. but when h— whole series of sections. but when it came— whole series of sections. but when it came to— whole series of sections. but when it came to who was the most heveh— when it came to who was the most tevet heve— when it came to who was the most loved news channel— when it came to who was the most loved news channel and news hreeteeeter— loved news channel and news hreeteeeter, e— loved news channel and news broadcaster, a news source, and thet— broadcaster, a news source, and that included— broadcaster, a news source, and that included the— broadcaster, a news source, and that included the sun, the mail, the eterheh— that included the sun, the mail, the guardian and— that included the sun, the mail, the guardian and many others, gteee— the guardian and many others, gteee vhete— the guardian and many others, guess what? within two years of extethg— guess what? within two years of ehetthg eh— guess what? within two years of existing gb news— guess what? within two years of existing gb news came top. i

whet— existing gb news came top. i mean, what are— existing gb news came top. i mean, what are these people here tehge— mean, what are these people here tethge etvhg— mean, what are these people here tethge etvhg rhe— mean, what are these people here doing? giving me a— mean, what are these people here doing? giving me a very modest gteee— doing? giving me a very modest gteee et— doing? giving me a very modest gteee et vter — doing? giving me a very modest glass of water. it— doing? giving me a very modest glass of water. it should be champagne.— glass of water. it should be eherheeghe. eh— glass of water. it should be champagne. gb news is on a roll . h— champagne. gb news is on a roll . th e— champagne. gb news is on a roll . th e mement— champagne. gb news is on a roll . in a moment, we— champagne. gb news is on a roll . in a moment, we discuss the teet— . in a moment, we discuss the teet et— . in a moment, we discuss the teet erteehe— . in a moment, we discuss the fact our prisons are- . in a moment, we discuss the fact our prisons are going to be tth— fact our prisons are going to be tttt te— fact our prisons are going to be full to overflowing in six weeks the.— full to overflowing in six weeks the. thet— full to overflowing in six weeks the. that eh— full to overflowing in six weeks time. what on earth are we going

a little bit of breaking news we ttet— a little bit of breaking news we y-tet heart— a little bit of breaking news we he heard th— a little bit of breaking news we just heard in the— a little bit of breaking news we just heard in the last couple of hthttee— just heard in the last couple of minutes that— just heard in the last couple of minutes that tina— just heard in the last couple of minutes that tina turner, the eteeh— minutes that tina turner, the eteeh et— minutes that tina turner, the queen of rock— minutes that tina turner, the queen of rock and roll, that emeehg— queen of rock and roll, that emezhg eehg— queen of rock and roll, that amazing song simply the best and so amazing song simply the best and ee rhteh— amazing song simply the best and ee rhteh etee— amazing song simply the best and so much else has— amazing song simply the best and so much else has died at the age of so much else has died at the age et eh.— so much else has died at the age et he. h— so much else has died at the age et he. h ve— so much else has died at the age et he. h we get— so much else has died at the age of 83. if we get someone that theve— of 83. if we get someone that theve her— of 83. if we get someone that theve her te— of 83. if we get someone that knows her to come on in the next hev— knows her to come on in the next tev hthttee— knows her to come on in the next tev hthttee ve— knows her to come on in the next few minutes, we will get them on. few minutes, we will get them hev— few minutes, we will get them hev hev— few minutes, we will get them on. now now we— few minutes, we will get them on. now now we talk so much ghett— on. now now we talk so much ehett hthe— on. now now we talk so much about knife crime— on. now now we talk so much about knife crime , about i did about knife crime, about i did teet— about knife crime, about i did teet htght— about knife crime, about i did last night about— about knife crime, about i did last night about a guy being hehtethet— last night about a guy being handcuffed for— last night about a guy being handcuffed for moving. just stop oil handcuffed for moving. just stop eh preteetere— handcuffed for moving. just stop oil protesters out— handcuffed for moving. just stop oil protesters out of the road. the— oil protesters out of the road. the very— oil protesters out of the road. the very rerety— oil protesters out of the road. we very rarely talk about the ether— we very rarely talk about the ether ehe— we very rarely talk about the other end of— we very rarely talk about the other end of the— we very rarely talk about the other end of the criminal ttettee— other end of the criminal justice system- other end of the criminal justice system , namely when justice system, namely when peehte—

justice system, namely when eeeete ge— justice system, namely when teeete ge te— justice system, namely when people go to prison. i've done it people go to prison. i've done h e— people go to prison. i've done h e eev— people go to prison. i've done it a few times— people go to prison. i've done it a few times on— people go to prison. i've done it a few times on the show, but mayhe— it a few times on the show, but heyhe het— it a few times on the show, but maybe not enough. our prison teettetteh— maybe not enough. our prison teettetteh te— maybe not enough. our prison population is going up now. that-e— population is going up now. thet-e het— population is going up now. thet-e het e— population is going up now. that's not a surprise because, of course, we do— that's not a surprise because, of course, we do have of a they— of course, we do have of a reehty rtehg— of course, we do have of a rapidly rising population, the teettetteh— rapidly rising population, the population crisis that i talk to you— population crisis that i talk to yet ghett— population crisis that i talk to yet ehett ee— population crisis that i talk to you about so often on this show, but you about so often on this show, htt ve— you about so often on this show, htt ve ere— you about so often on this show, but we are right— you about so often on this show, but we are right at— you about so often on this show, but we are right at the moment in but we are right at the moment he thgteht— but we are right at the moment he thgteht ehe— but we are right at the moment in england and wales, you know, at 85,000— in england and wales, you know, at 85,000 prisoners, we're ereyheetet— at 85,000 prisoners, we're prey-eetet te — at 85,000 prisoners, we're prey-eetet te ge— at 85,000 prisoners, we're projected to go up by 2027 to over 100,000 _ projected to go up by 2027 to over 100,000 prisoners. and the over100,000 prisoners. and the trethte— over 100,000 prisoners. and the trethte vhh— over100,000 prisoners. and the trouble with that— over100,000 prisoners. and the trouble with that is— over 100,000 prisoners. and the trouble with that is we simply heveh-t— trouble with that is we simply heveh-t get— trouble with that is we simply haven't got the— trouble with that is we simply haven't got the room. so what do we haven't got the room. so what do he tee— haven't got the room. so what do he he he— haven't got the room. so what do he he he he— haven't got the room. so what do we do? do we take— haven't got the room. so what do we do? do we take a— haven't got the room. so what do we do? do we take a different eeereeeh— we do? do we take a different eeereeeh te— we do? do we take a different approach to criminal justice and teehhg— approach to criminal justice and teehhg teeete— approach to criminal justice and teehhg teeete th— approach to criminal justice and locking people up or do we spend the hehey— locking people up or do we spend the hehey ehe— locking people up or do we spend the money and build more erteehee— the money and build more prisons? and— the money and build more prisons? and it— the money and build more prisons? and it is a very real the— prisons? and it is a very real the e— prisons? and it is a very real the e very— prisons? and it is a very real and a very live— prisons? and it is a very real and a very live debate. and yes, theret— and a very live debate. and yes, andrea albert— and a very live debate. and yes, andrea albert ,_ and a very live debate. and yes, andrea albert , who is the andrea albert, who is the ereeheht— andrea albert, who is the president of— andrea albert, who is the president of the prisoner prison governors association, says get— governors association, says get eh— governors association, says we've got six weeks in six eeeh— we've got six weeks in six weeks, we will— we've got six weeks in six weeks, we will be out of space. so weeks, we will be out of space. he vhe-re— weeks, we will be out of space.

so we're now facing a real etere— so we're now facing a real ertete .— so we're now facing a real ertete. hev,— so we're now facing a real crisis. now, mark johnson has heeh— crisis. now, mark johnson has heeh eh— crisis. now, mark johnson has heeh eh thre— crisis. now, mark johnson has been on this show before, the ether— been on this show before, the former president— been on this show before, the former president and founder of the hethg— former president and founder of the young offenders charity , the young offenders charity, teer— the young offenders charity, teer vetee. — the young offenders charity, user voice. mark we've debated hetere— user voice. mark we've debated hetere the— user voice. mark we've debated before the merits— user voice. mark we've debated before the merits and indeed eheh— before the merits and indeed often demerits.— before the merits and indeed often demerits. yes of going to theee— often demerits. yes of going to hrteeh .— often demerits. yes of going to erteeh . htt— often demerits. yes of going to erteeh . htt rhy— often demerits. yes of going to prison . but my basic point, our prison. but my basic point, our teettetteh— prison. but my basic point, our teettetteh te— prison. but my basic point, our population is exploding. yeah. for reasons we'll— population is exploding. yeah. for reasons we'll discuss tomorrow when the immigration hgtree— tomorrow when the immigration ttgtree ceme— tomorrow when the immigration figures come out. _ tomorrow when the immigration figures come out. but that's by the hy— figures come out. but that's by the hy ve— figures come out. but that's by the hy he he— figures come out. but that's by the by we do need— figures come out. but that's by the by we do need to build more hrteehe— the by we do need to build more erteehe ten-t— the by we do need to build more prisons, don't we? _ the by we do need to build more prisons, don't we? i'm not i'm het— prisons, don't we? i'm not i'm het ee— prisons, don't we? i'm not i'm not so sure. i think i think it's probably due for an overall you know we've got victorian prison a lot of victorian prisons have cells that were made for one man. now housing up to three. you know, the kind of in—cell technology, for instance, of keeping in touch with family, you know , it's with family, you know, it's really expensive old and hard to heat. really expensive old and hard to heat . and but but ultimately the heat. and but but ultimately the evidence says that it doesn't work. you know when we look at

the rikki neave action figures, they've been statically high for they've been statically high for the last well, ever since i've been involved in this young offenders, 75% overall, over 65. so they go to prison, they come out and do it all again. yeah, i think one of the— out and do it all again. yeah, i think one of the main- et: t:t::t e ehthh " yeah, i think one of the main problems is, think one of the main problems he t— think one of the main problems he h meth— think one of the main problems is, i mean, prison— think one of the main problems is, i mean, prison is and erhrhhhet— is, i mean, prison is and criminal justice is the most theeetter— criminal justice is the most unpopular subject ever. ' t: e unpopular subject ever. and it's for unpopular subject ever. and it's ter .— unpopular subject ever. and it's ter . they hett— unpopular subject ever. and it's for . easy well, you— unpopular subject ever. and it's for . easy well, you say- for. easy well, you say theeetter— well, you say unpopular actually , arnie. unpopular actually, arnie. i h— unpopular actually, arnie. i mean, i often— unpopular actually, arnie. i mean, i often talk about incompetence- mean, i often talk about incompetence in government . incompetence in government. teth— incompetence in government. heeh. eeh— incompetence in government. yeah. the yet— incompetence in government. yeah. can you believe that ? yeah. can you believe that? shee— yeah. can you believe that? shhee tve— yeah. can you believe that? since two thousand and seven, theteh— since two thousand and seven, theteh te— since two thousand and seven, listen to this,— since two thousand and seven, listen to this, folks. since two theteeht— listen to this, folks. since two thousand and— listen to this, folks. since two thousand and seven, there have heeh— thousand and seven, there have heeh eh— thousand and seven, there have been 30 different— thousand and seven, there have been 30 different ministers hhvetvet— been 30 different ministers involved with— been 30 different ministers involved with justice in prisons . eh.— involved with justice in prisons . eh. se— involved with justice in prisons . he. he h— involved with justice in prisons . 30. so i mean,— involved with justice in prisons . 30. so i mean, before anyone's get— . 30. so i mean, before anyone's get there— . 30. so i mean, before anyone's get there .— . 30. so i mean, before anyone's even got there , legs under the even got there, legs under the tethe— even got there, legs under the tehte. they-ve— even got there, legs under the table. they've moved on elsewhere. _ table. they've moved on elsewhere. so - table. they've moved on elsewhere. so that can't help , elsewhere. so that can't help, h. — elsewhere. so that can't help, h. heat.— elsewhere. so that can't help, can it. yeah. no.— elsewhere. so that can't help, can it. yeah. no. and- elsewhere. so that can't help, can it. / \t::t t: elsewhere. so that can't help, can it. / htit t: can it. yeah. no. and you know, the prison governors association mentioned that in their in their speech. mentioned that in their in their speech . you know, you've got if speech. you know, you've got if you you know, you've got basically the daily mail holding the political environment sort

of by the throat and all all every single political party. and i'm talking even this government, the last government all is the rhetoric is around tough on crime . but to be fair tough on crime. but to be fair tough on crime. but to be fair te the— tough on crime. but to be fair te the hehty— tough on crime. but to be fair to the daily mail— tough on crime. but to be fair to the daily mail and- in; hit" hf.” but to be fair to the daily mail and many ethere— to the daily mail and many ethere h— to the daily mail and many others, i understand your ergtrheht— others, i understand your argument that- others, i understand your argument that prison is not rehabilitating— argument that prison is not rehabilitating effectively. teth— rehabilitating effectively. heeh h— rehabilitating effectively. heeh h get— rehabilitating effectively. yeah, i get that . the figures yeah, i get that. the figures overwhelmingly— yeah, i get that. the figures overwhelmingly , mark, are on overwhelmingly, mark, are on yetr— overwhelmingly, mark, are on yetr ehe— overwhelmingly, mark, are on your side. yeah— overwhelmingly, mark, are on your side. yeah there is another eterheht— your side. yeah there is another eterheht te— your side. yeah there is another element to this,— your side. yeah there is another element to this, and that is thet— element to this, and that is that h— element to this, and that is that h yet— element to this, and that is that if you do— element to this, and that is that if you do things that are vrehg— that if you do things that are vrehg .— that if you do things that are vrehg , yet— that if you do things that are wrong , you deserve to be wrong, you deserve to be ethhehet. — wrong, you deserve to be punished. yeah and for that herhet— punished. yeah and for that eerhet et— punished. yeah and for that period of punishment, society is preteetet.— period of punishment, society is protected. absolutely. yeah so, you— protected. absolutely. yeah so, yet thew,— protected. absolutely. yeah so, yet they, htt— protected. absolutely. yeah so, you know, but you've got . you know, but you've got. so let me ge— you know, but you've got. so let me ge hete— you know, but you've got. so let me ge he the— you know, but you've got. so let me go into the detail. so david blunkett, you know, under the labour government come out with ipp sentence, indeterminate sentences, right? where there is no end to your sentence . it's no end to your sentence. it's absolutely at discretion of the government and this government will not change the law on that would release thousands of prisoners. by the way, i've met people that that are literally got a two year ipp sentence .

got a two year ipp sentence. they're seven years over their tariff and there's no conceivable reason why they're not allowed out. and yet we eehetehtty— not allowed out. and yet we constantly read _ not allowed out. and yet we constantly read about- : c and yet we constantly read about people vheve— constantly read about people who've committed heinous crimes, vhe— who've committed heinous crimes, the ere— who've committed heinous crimes, the reteeeet— who've committed heinous crimes, who are released after 5 or 6 yeere— who are released after 5 or 6 years completely. who are released after 5 or 6 years completely, 4.135.“ who are released after 5 or 6 years completely. h/tquh" so the years completely. yeah. so the vhete— years completely. yeah. so the vhete thhhg— years completely. yeah. so the vhete thhhg he— years completely. / so the whole thing is screwed up in yetr— whole thing is screwed up in yet vhete— whole thing is screwed up in your view? yeah,— whole thing is screwed up in your view? yeah, completely. hetve— your view? yeah, completely. hetve get. — your view? yeah, completely. vet-ve get. yet— your view? yeah, completely. you've got, you know,- your view? yeah, completely. you've got, you know, if- your view? yeah, completely. you've got, you know, if you're talking 30, 30, justice ministers and prisons ministers, this is a this is like almost a pet project for anybody that comes under their own comes in under their own ideology. know, you've ideology. you know, you've got, you grayling , for you know, chris grayling, for instance, tell you instance, let me tell you because he there's because i think he there's a there's a character that what i find really shocking is nobody's held accountable in this short term. so he created the long enough. exactly. but but but still, the decisions that he made have caused harm . um, and made have caused harm. um, and also under this veil of 30 ministers and political manoeuvring, it's almost the pubuc manoeuvring, it's almost the public deception. like a deception is occurring. so the actual truth is not getting out to the public. so my message is at least inform the public about

like literally what works and what doesn't. can i just say as well that we have these discussions around prison and stuff like that? right currently, you know, we've got 85,000 people in prison, right ? 85,000 people in prison, right? you've got 22 hours a day, bang up, lock up behind the door. right. the industry , there's right. the industry, there's about 500 different ngos, charities, etcetera , that are charities, etcetera, that are supposedly working within prison . and in that space, not one voice, not one voice has talked about the inhumane conditions or the outrage and stuff like that because they can't get access to people . what can you do for two people. what can you do for two hours a day when somebody's got to get washed shower? so you believe there needs— to get washed shower? so you believe there needs to- gti �* so you believe there needs to be a more heteheet— believe there needs to be a more balanced debate— believe there needs to be a more balanced debate about prison and hrheehere— balanced debate about prison and erheehere ehe— balanced debate about prison and prisoners and the— balanced debate about prison and prisoners and the way they're treetet — prisoners and the way they're treated the— prisoners and the way they're treated and taken out of teththee— treated and taken out of politics, short- treated and taken out of politics, short duration pethhee— politics, short duration politics and - politics, short duration politics and have a longer a tehger— politics and have a longer a tehger term— politics and have a longer a longer term view and a very hththe— longer term view and a very eththe vhev— longer term view and a very public view as— longer term view and a very public view as well. final thetght— public view as well. final thetght. thh— public view as well. final thought. i'm very most most hrhheheht— thought. i'm very most most important thought of all. as i say,— important thought of all. as i eey, h— important thought of all. as i eey, t he— important thought of all. as i say, i do believe— important thought of all. as i say, i do believe in punishment , htt— say, i do believe in punishment , htt h— say, i do believe in punishment , htt t he— say, i do believe in punishment , but i do believe— say, i do believe in punishment , but i do believe society needs to , but i do believe society needs te he— , but i do believe society needs to be protected.— , but i do believe society needs

to be protected. i— , but i do believe society needs to be protected. i do believe thet— to be protected. i do believe that reheat— to be protected. i do believe that repeat offenders of heinous heeh— that repeat offenders of heinous crimes need to— that repeat offenders of heinous crimes need to go— that repeat offenders of heinous crimes need to go away for a tehg— crimes need to go away for a tehg three.— crimes need to go away for a tehg the. h— crimes need to go away for a long time. i believe in all theee— long time. i believe in all those things,— long time. i believe in all those things, even if it doesn't them.— those things, even if it doesn't cure them. but— those things, even if it doesn't cure them. but what about rehabilitation— cure them. but what about rehabilitation ?_ cure them. but what about rehabilitation ? is there i mean, rehabilitation? is there i mean, yetre— rehabilitation? is there i mean, you're rehabilitation covid heeh— you're rehabilitation covid heeh htt— you're rehabilitation covid yeah, but why— you're rehabilitation covid yeah, but why are so few people 7 yeah, but why are so few people e hhy— yeah, but why are so few people e hhy ere— yeah, but why are so few people e hhy ee— yeah, but why are so few people ? why are so few— yeah, but why are so few people ? why are so few young men and teee— ? why are so few young men and women too? but— ? why are so few young men and women too? but men particularly 7 women too? but men particularly e thy— women too? but men particularly e hhy ere— women too? but men particularly e hhy ee— women too? but men particularly e vvhy ee hev— women too? but men particularly ? why are so few rehabilitated ? ? why are so few rehabilitated? ahe— ? why are so few rehabilitated? the vhet— ? why are so few rehabilitated? the what eeh— ? why are so few rehabilitated? and what can we— ? why are so few rehabilitated? and what can we do to help that? heh— and what can we do to help that? well ultimately,— and what can we do to help that? well ultimately, there's a ethhe— well ultimately, there's a skills deficit— well ultimately, there's a skills deficit . �*" skills deficit. if you look at prison right? so let's skills deficit. if you look at prison right ? so let's say prison right? so let's say there's 120 prisons. they've each got governors. those people are looked at to do punishment, which are confinement, take away from society . but also the from society. but also the second part of that is rehabilitation. but they're measured on containment, not on rehabilitation . they're not rehabilitation. they're not nobody's held accountable for the reconviction figures. there was no incentive to rehabilitate, not just no hheehthve— rehabilitate, not just no incentive. _ rehabilitate, not just no incentive . “tiiti; rehabilitate, not just no incentive . it“tii; ll rehabilitate, not just no- incentive . there's no skill or incentive. there's no skill or understanding of what it takes somebody to change. and often the environments that are created criminal justice created in the criminal justice system are actually opposed to rehabilitation. give you

rehabilitation. so i'll give you an westminster. i was an example. westminster. i was a menace to society when i was young and i was in this borough and this borough paid. they were sick of it and they paid £20,000 to me bognor regis, to send me to bognor regis, right. and the only thing you can is die of old age or get can do is die of old age or get clean in bognor regis and i, it was the worst that sentence i've ever done . and it didn't involve ever done. and it didn't involve going to prison . and what it going to prison. and what it involved was an expert peeling away every single deluded belief that i had about my behaviour may challenge me about my victim . proper psychological . . proper psychological. absolutely. _ proper psychological. absolutely. and stripping you teth— absolutely. and stripping you tevh here. — absolutely. and stripping you down bare. yeah. '“t: absolutely. and stripping you down bare. yeah. ' “t: ititeheeg down bare. yeah. and i'm really sorry to say the police are default mental health service in this country at the moment and prison is the drug rehab. and you know, and people go in and like by default, just by locking somebody up a door, it somebody up behind a door, it can be a respite that's needed of somebody of of somebody that's out of control. they need the control. they don't need the pubuc control. they don't need the public the police to tell public or the police to tell them they're out of control. they know it, and they want often but just often want help. but it's just not there. and two thirds of rehabs closed under

rehabs got closed under this government , too. thirds of government, too. two thirds of drug centres . drug rehabilitation centres. there's massive disinvestment there's a massive disinvestment into into prevention. well, maybe this is the problem that i've been talking about with schools and hospitals elsewhere , where an exploding population andifs , where an exploding population and it's very, very difficult actually for government to keep up with all of it. but that's why he— up with all of it. but that's why we heeh— e. 0 but that's why we keep perpetuating because the gverhrheht— why we keep perpetuating because the government, you know, to a menth— the government, you know, to a rhehth age,— the government, you know, to a month ago, rishi— the government, you know, to a month ago, rishi sunak , you and month ago, rishi sunak, you and i month ago, rishi sunak, you and h ehehe— month ago, rishi sunak, you and h eeete ehett— month ago, rishi sunak, you and i spoke about it,— month ago, rishi sunak, you and i spoke about it, you know, was thhhg— i spoke about it, you know, was tethhg ehett— i spoke about it, you know, was talking about tougher sentences and talking about tougher sentences eht tehger— talking about tougher sentences and longer sentences. ' “t: and longer sentences. and then yetve— and longer sentences. and then yetve get— and longer sentences. and then you've got everybody working within system saying this is within the system saying this is like a concertina and you just pushing group and more pushing this group more and more and we can't do it as a and we can't we can't do it as a society. i tell you what, mark johnson, thank you. you know, we always johnson, thank you. you know, we etveye heve— johnson, thank you. you know, we etveye have t— johnson, thank you. you know, we always have a good— ““ you know, we always have a good debate. i thhh— always have a good debate. i thhhh yet— always have a good debate. i think, you know— always have a good debate. i think, you know you know, have think, you know you know, i have my-n_ think, you know you know, i have thy-eh theee— think, you know you know, i have my-on these things. - think, you know you know, i have my on these things. but think, you know you know, i have nlisten on these things. but think, you know you know, i have nlisten very on these things. but think, you know you know, i have nlisten very carefully things. but think, you know you know, i have nlisten very carefully to ngs. but think, you know you know, i have nlisten very carefully to whatiut i listen very carefully to what you— i listen very carefully to what yet heve— i listen very carefully to what yet have te — i listen very carefully to what yet have te ety— i listen very carefully to what you have to say about this, and eehhetterty— you have to say about this, and particularly the— you have to say about this, and particularly the failure of rehabilitation— particularly the failure of rehabilitation on scale. rehabilitation on this scale. htt— rehabilitation on this scale. htt-thhh— rehabilitation on this scale. but-think isn't- rehabilitation on this scale. but think isn't it amazing, but i do think isn't it amazing, tethee— but i do think isn't it amazing, tethee h— but i do think isn't it amazing, folks? i mean,— but i do think isn't it amazing, folks? i mean, can— but i do think isn't it amazing, folks? i mean, can you believe it? folks? i mean, can you believe he eh,— folks? i mean, can you believe he he, eh— folks? i mean, can you believe it? 30, 30 politicians have

rhhhhetere— it? 30, 30 politicians have ministers position with varying reeeehehhhthy— ministers position with varying responsibility for— ministers position with varying responsibility for prisons since the— responsibility for prisons since two thousand— responsibility for prisons since two thousand and seven. no venere— two thousand and seven. no vvehert hthe— two thousand and seven. no wonder it's a— two thousand and seven. no wonder it's a mess. mark, thank you— wonder it's a mess. mark, thank yet ter— wonder it's a mess. mark, thank yet ter joining— wonder it's a mess. mark, thank you forjoining me— wonder it's a mess. mark, thank you forjoining me .— wonder it's a mess. mark, thank you forjoining me . we'll take you forjoining me. we'll take a gtheh— you forjoining me. we'll take a gthet herrege— you forjoining me. we'll take a quick barrage before the program is quick barrage before the program he thh— quick barrage before the program he h-rh gehg— quick barrage before the program is over. i'm going to go to hehev— is over. i'm going to go to andrew who's— is over. i'm going to go to andrew who's got a question for ht— andrew who's got a question for hh. hhget— andrew who's got a question for me. hi, nigel. i'm— andrew who's got a question for me. h gti; me. hi, nigel. i'm andrew. here's my question. why don't you start backing rishi sunak and stop being an accomplice for landing us with keir starmer who would be an absolute disaster for, well , andrew, thank you. for, well, andrew, thank you. so i went to the petrol station the— so i went to the petrol station thhe rherhhhg— so i went to the petrol station this morning at— so i went to the petrol station this morning at the local town to this morning at the local town te get— this morning at the local town to get newspapers a bit of thee— to get newspapers a bit of theeet ter— to get newspapers a bit of diesel for the— to get newspapers a bit of diesel for the car, a few other eeeehthete— diesel for the car, a few other essentials, which— diesel for the car, a few other essentials, which i'm not ettevet— essentials, which i'm not ettevet te— essentials, which i'm not allowed to mention anymore. and it allowed to mention anymore. and h-erheehhg.— allowed to mention anymore. and h-erheehhg. h— allowed to mention anymore. and it-amazing. i was— allowed to mention anymore. and it amazing. i was there for it was amazing. i was there for ghett— it was amazing. i was there for ehett-eh— it was amazing. i was there for ehett-eh hete- it was amazing. i was there for. about-an hour, maybe about quarter of an hour, maybe it about quarter of an hour, maybe h-eh— about quarter of an hour, maybe it-20 minutes— about quarter of an hour, maybe it 20 minutes chatting to it was 20 minutes chatting to everyhety— it was 20 minutes chatting to everyhety-tev- it was 20 minutes chatting to everybody few people said, everybody and a few people said, hehev— everybody and a few people said, angeli-yete— everybody and a few people said, andrew, you're saying, why andrew, what you're saying, why are andrew, what you're saying, why ere-eehg— andrew, what you're saying, why are-beingitough- andrew, what you're saying, why are being tough on the are you being so tough on the conservatives?— conservatives? number one, heeetee— because they're not conservative. two, conservative. number two, heeetee— conservative. number two, because betrayed brexit. because they betrayed brexit. htrhher— because they betrayed brexit. number three, _ because they betrayed brexit. number three, because they seem because they betrayed brexit. leupporttree, because they seem because they betrayed brexit. nl support total)ecause they seem because they betrayed brexit. nl support total open;e they seem because they betrayed brexit. nl support total open bordersseem to support total open borders the— to support total open borders the htrherh— to support total open borders

and number four, really , do you and number four, really, do you heheetty— and number four, really, do you honestly believe— and number four, really, do you honestly believe and this is not tererhy— honestly believe and this is not tererhy cerhyh— honestly believe and this is not jeremy corbyn we're talking ghett— jeremy corbyn we're talking ehett, te— jeremy corbyn we're talking ehett, he yet— jeremy corbyn we're talking about, do you honestly believe sir about, do you honestly believe shr heh— about, do you honestly believe sir keir starmer— about, do you honestly believe sir keir starmer would be much ahe— sir keir starmer would be much the h— sir keir starmer would be much worse? and it is— sir keir starmer would be much worse? and it is possible that the— worse? and it is possible that the teeth— worse? and it is possible that the pressure that— worse? and it is possible that the pressure that i'm applying to the pressure that i'm applying te the— the pressure that i'm applying to the conservatives could you never know, andrew have a heehhve— never know, andrew have a positive effect?— never know, andrew have a positive effect? they might just vehe— positive effect? they might just the th— positive effect? they might just the th. htt— positive effect? they might just the the. htt t— positive effect? they might just wake up. but i, i— positive effect? they might just wake up. but i, i did my bit in eeh— wake up. but i, i did my bit in eehh te— wake up. but i, i did my bit in eehh te get— wake up. but i, i did my bit in 2019 to get rid— wake up. but i, i did my bit in 2019 to get rid of— wake up. but i, i did my bit in 2019 to get rid of theresa may to 2019 to get rid of theresa may te hehe— 2019 to get rid of theresa may to hand boris— 2019 to get rid of theresa may to hand boris johnson the erehherehhh— to hand boris johnson the premiership of— to hand boris johnson the premiership of this country. and i premiership of this country. and h teet— premiership of this country. and h teet very— premiership of this country. and hteet very ethy— premiership of this country. and i feel very badly let down. not thet— i feel very badly let down. not that he— i feel very badly let down. not that he should— i feel very badly let down. not that he should have been treated the hay— that he should have been treated the way thet— that he should have been treated the way that he— that he should have been treated the way that he has. what an extreerthhery— the way that he has. what an extraordinary witch hunt against herhe. — extraordinary witch hunt against herhe. h— extraordinary witch hunt against herhe. h heeh— extraordinary witch hunt against boris. i mean, i'm— extraordinary witch hunt against boris. i mean, i'm not his hhggeet— boris. i mean, i'm not his hhggeet tth— boris. i mean, i'm not his biggest fan, as- boris. i mean, i'm not his biggest fan, as you know. this teete— biggest fan, as you know. this looks vicious. _ biggest fan, as you know. this looks vicious. it's— biggest fan, as you know. this looks vicious. it's utterly ettregeete— looks vicious. it's utterly outrageous that the cabinet hehee— outrageous that the cabinet office seems— outrageous that the cabinet office seems to— outrageous that the cabinet office seems to have put tegether— office seems to have put together some- office seems to have put together some half baked information— together some half baked information. _ together some half baked information . '“t: together some half baked information . “t: together some half baked information . ' “t: information. and rather than finding out what it actually was, sent it straight to the police then told everybody, police and then told everybody, then telling then leaked it without telling him, telling try him, without telling him to try and up again. it's and stitch him up again. it's absolutely monstrous. and you see what's happened to suella.

you see what's happened to dominic. you begin to think that there a desire amongst the there is a desire amongst the romaniacs to root out the brexiteers. rees—mogg is next on the list. let me tell you, there-tt— the list. let me tell you, there'll be— the list. let me tell you, there'll be after- e let me tell you, there'll be after motty next. the — there'll be after motty next. the tee— there'll be after motty next. i'm too boring. _ there'll be after motty next. i'm too boring. so they know you're not excited. maybe you're not you're not excited. maybe you're het heeetee— you're not excited. maybe you're not because you've— you're not excited. maybe you're not because you've got- not because you've got greeereete— not because you've got grassroots support . tithiee not because you've got grassroots support. tithiii grassroots support. well, we teth— grassroots support. well, we heth heve— grassroots support. well, we both have grassroots support. we're going to break. they're on our side , right? we're going to our side, right? we're going to in our side, right? we're going to he teet— our side, right? we're going to he teet .— our side, right? we're going to he teet , h— our side, right? we're going to in fact , 1 think— our side, right? we're going to in fact , i think we're- i t:i i g“? we're going to in fact , i think we're trying i t:i i g“7 we're going to in fact , i think we're trying to in fact, i think we're trying to get— in fact, i think we're trying to get eerhehety— in fact, i think we're trying to get somebody on— in fact, i think we're trying to get somebody on a showbiz correspondent— get somebody on a showbiz correspondent to talk about tina htrher— correspondent to talk about tina htrher he— correspondent to talk about tina turner. we failed— correspondent to talk about tina turner. we failed in that. so i thhh— turner. we failed in that. so i thhhh the— turner. we failed in that. so i think the best— turner. we failed in that. so i think the best thing we can do rhght— think the best thing we can do rhght hev— think the best thing we can do rhght he— think the best thing we can do rhght he ge— think the best thing we can do right now is go to— think the best thing we can do right now is go to the weather . right now is go to the weather. the— right now is go to the weather. the here— right now is go to the weather. the gehg— right now is go to the weather. and we're going to have a little chat.— and we're going to have a little ehet. — and we're going to have a little ehet. here— and we're going to have a little ehet. here he— and we're going to have a little chat. here we are.— and we're going to have a little chat. tiiti; ehiti; no, no, chat. here we are. no, no, eheetttety— chat. here we are. no, no, eheetttety .— chat. here we are. no, no, absolutely . good- chat. tiiri; ehiti; no, no, absolutely . good evening. chat. tiiri; ehiti; no, no, absolutely. good evening. i'm hex— absolutely. good evening. i'm alex deakin. _ absolutely. good evening. i'm alex deakin. this- absolutely. good evening. i'm alex deakin. i“ i alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. the outlook for the next several days, even into next week, is for the dry

and fine weather to continue. some chilly nights ahead thanks to pressure which has been to high pressure which has been gradually building the gradually building in from the west will control our west and will control our weather the next several weather for the next several days. the isobars pretty well spaced, which means the winds are which allow are light, which will allow things little chilly things to turn a little chilly overnight got clear overnight where we've got clear skies the skies clearing now skies, the skies clearing now from northern ireland. it has been cloudy day and been quite a cloudy day here and the increasing down the the cloud increasing down the eastern side england through eastern side of england through the turning the night, perhaps turning a little misty, especially around some where it stays some coasts where it stays cloudy. will cloudy. temperatures will hold up double figures, but up maybe in double figures, but clearer see clearer skies will see temperatures down to single figures scottish figures sheltered scottish glens, maybe down to 2 or 3. so a bit of a chilly start here, but a sunny day generally in a brighter day for northern ireland and southwest scotland. central eastern parts of central and eastern parts of england, probably starting central and eastern parts of englargrey'obably starting central and eastern parts of englargrey asably starting central and eastern parts of englargrey as well. tarting central and eastern parts of englargrey as well. artingof pretty grey as well. a lot of cloud cloud mist cloud here, but cloud mist tending to disappear, some cloud will bubble up through the day for wales southwest england there is a small chance of a shower two over southern shower or two over southern scotland. england, scotland. northern england, but the majority just the vast majority just staying dry a breezy across the dry, a bit breezy across the

northern isles . temperatures northern isles. temperatures here 11 or but here only 11 or 12, but elsewhere , high teens, 20s, elsewhere, high teens, low 20s, maybe just a degree or so down. so a little cooler than today

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