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said last night, to ignore the home secretary— said last night, to ignore the home secretary is to ignore the british— home secretary is to ignore the were people— home secretary is to ignore the were people .— home secretary is to ignore the british people . so— home secretary is to ignore the british people . so more shocking british people. so more shocking news-you— british people. so more shocking news-you .— british people. so more shocking news-you . a— british people. so more shocking news-you . a-report- british people. so more shocking news you . a report has news for you. a new report has eueeee— news for you. a new report has euegee the— news for you. a new report has alleged the british taxpayer is having— alleged the british taxpayer is having me— alleged the british taxpayer is having his and— alleged the british taxpayer is having his and her money spent to fund— having his and her money spent to fund forced— having his and her money spent to fund forced abortions in conmnnmm— to fund forced abortions in communist china. the author of the communist china. the author of me epon— communist china. the author of me ceoon mu— communist china. the author of the report will be— communist china. the author of the report will be joining me in the report will be joining me in me memo.— the report will be joining me in the studio. own— the report will be joining me in the studio. own a— the report will be joining me in the studio. own a riddle for you . it the studio. own a riddle for you . n woe— the studio. own a riddle for you . it was introduced— the studio. own a riddle for you . it was introduced as a nemoomn— . it was introduced as a temporary measure during the napoleonic— temporary measure during the napoleonic wars— temporary measure during the napoleonic wars and has ceremony— napoleonic wars and has regrettably persisted almost ever since. even— regrettably persisted almost ever since. even though gladstone— ever since. even though gladstone-geti ever since. even though. gladstone-get rid ever since. even though gladstone-get rid it gladstone wants to get rid of it . i gladstone wants to get rid of it .—u be— gladstone wants to get rid of it ._i be referring- gladstone wants to get rid of it ._i be referring to. gladstone wants to get rid of it ._i be referring to .7 . what could i be referring to.7 all . what could i be referring to.7 au mu— . what could i be referring to.7 all will-revealed - . what could i be referring to.7 all will revealed plus two all will be revealed plus two oun— all will be revealed plus two rounds, round— all will be revealed plus two rounds, round things off . last rounds, round things off. last monu— rounds, round things off. last mom ne— rounds, round things off. last night we reported on a northern nonu— night we reported on a northern none nonme— night we reported on a northern david taking on— night we reported on a northern david taking on the goliath and supermarkets— david taking on the goliath and supermarkets who— david taking on the goliath and supermarkets who cut the price of supermarkets who cut the price on onesel— supermarkets who cut the price of diesel ny— supermarkets who cut the price of diesel by more— supermarkets who cut the price of diesel by more than £1 per gallon— of diesel by more than £1 per gallon compared— of diesel by more than £1 per gallon compared to tesco . well, gallon compared to tesco. well, on— gallon compared to tesco. well, on me— gallon compared to tesco. well, one of the petrol— gallon compared to tesco. well, one of the petrol stations employees— one of the petrol stations employees will be joining our programme— employees will be joining our programme this— employees will be joining our programme this evening. state of the programme this evening. state of me monon— programme this evening. state of the nation starts— programme this evening. state of the nation starts now .

the nation starts now. wen— the nation starts now. we'll also _ the nation starts now. we'll also be joined by my distinguished— we'll also be joined by my distinguished panel, toby young of distinguished panel, toby young on me— distinguished panel, toby young on me mee— distinguished panel, toby young of the free speech union and foe— of the free speech union and former labour— of the free speech union and former labour councillor kevin craig— former labour councillor kevin craig .— former labour councillor kevin craig . ae— former labour councillor kevin craig . ne even— former labour councillor kevin craig . ne .— former labour councillor kevin craig . as ever, i want to hear craig. as ever, i want to hear mom— craig. as ever, i want to hear from you. — craig. as ever, i want to hear from you. me— craig. as ever, i want to hear from you. it's a— craig. as ever, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of me— from you. it's a crucial part of me programme.— from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.uk. the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.uk . but now it's mailmogg@gbnews.uk. but now it's time— mailmogg@gbnews.uk. but now it's time for— mailmogg@gbnews.uk. but now it's time for your— mailmogg@gbnews.uk. but now it's time for your hourly— mailmogg@gbnews.uk. but now it's time for your hourly rejuvenate of ne— time for your hourly rejuvenate on unn— time for your hourly rejuvenate of news with polly middlehurst . of news with polly middlehurst. jacob— of news with polly middlehurst. jocon monke— of news with polly middlehurst. jacob thanks very— of news with polly middlehurst. jacob thanks very much indeed one— jacob thanks very much indeed one good— jacob thanks very much indeed and good evening— jacob thanks very much indeed and good evening to you. the top mom— and good evening to you. the top mom on— and good evening to you. the top mom en en— and good evening to you. the top story on gb news tonight, the prime minister's office has just said the eu and the uk have agreed to strengthen their cooperation on migration and the threat posed by russia. rishi sunak and the dutch prime minister mark rutte have agreed to work together to build an international coalition action to provide ukraine with combat air capabilities , supporting air capabilities, supporting everything from training to procuring f—16 jets. ukraine's president vladimir zelenskyy, joined the council via video link and stressed the urgency for stronger air defences

against russian aggression . against russian aggression. there is still much to be done against russian aggression. - there is still much to be done . there is still much to be done. unome-s— there is still much to be done. ukraine's territory— there is still much to be done. ukraine's territory is— there is still much to be done. ukraine's territory is big- there is still much to be done. ukraine's territory is big and to make air defences looks like last night's the rule throughout the country . we need additional the country. we need additional air the country. we need additional om defence— the country. we need additional air defence systems— in]. we need additional air defence systems and memes.— air defence systems and missiles. we— air defence systems and missiles. we also need more than fighter— missiles. we also need more than none jets— missiles. we also need more than fighter jets without— missiles. we also need more than fighter jets without which no air fighter jets without which no on defence — fighter jets without which no air defence system will be perfect.— air defence system will be oemecn and— air defence system will be perfect. and i— air defence system will be perfect. and i am sure that we win— perfect. and i am sure that we vvdd ded— perfect. and i am sure that we vvdd ded mere— perfect. and i am sure that we will get there . _ perfect. and i am sure that we will get there . �*fd�*vzgc 37” will get there. well, the prime minister's already been addressing the council of europe on the subject of migration , on the subject of migration, saying the world's most vulnerable people are paying the price for unlawful migration . price for unlawful migration. he's been telling world leaders the international system for policing , human trafficking just policing, human trafficking just isn't working. that's as the government tries to implement its own illegal migration bill, which is currently going through the house of lords . the new law the house of lords. the new law aims to tackle small boat crossings, sending asylum seekers back home or to a third country. such as rwanda. illegal migration exploits the most vulnerable people. it risks

crowding out— vulnerable people. it risks crowding out those- it risks crowding out those with a genuine— crowding out those with a genuine case— crowding out those with a genuine case for asylum and it ename— genuine case for asylum and it endne me— genuine case for asylum and it strains the trust— genuine case for asylum and it strains the trust that our citizens— strains the trust that our citizens have,- strains the trust that our citizens have, not just in our domeedc— citizens have, not just in our domestic borders, but in the international— domestic borders, but in the international system . and that's international system. and that's why— international system. and that's vvnv eo— international system. and that's vvnv so many— international system. and that's vvnv so many on— international system. and that's why so many of us— international system. and that's why so many of us are already ocdnd— why so many of us are already ocdnd d— why so many of us are already ocdnd at me— why so many of us are already acting at the national level and why— acting at the national level and vvnv ve— acting at the national level and vvnv we need— acting at the national level and vvnv we need do— acting at the national level and why we need to do— acting at the national level and why we need to do more to cooperate— why we need to do more to cooperate across- why we need to do more to cooperate across borders and across jurisdictions . lines to across jurisdictions. lines to end— across jurisdictions. lines to end medd— across jurisdictions. lines to end illegal migration and stop the end illegal migration and stop me node— end illegal migration and stop me node . — end illegal migration and stop the boats . well,— end illegal migration and stop the boats . well, it- end illegal migration and stop the boats . kudzu . “c112 end illegal migration and stop the boats . kudzu . “c173 the boats. well, it news here at home, too. poultry workers in england have tested positive for bird flu , although there are no bird flu, although there are no signs of human to human transmission. both cases are believed to be linked to the same farm. the uk health security agency is running a programme of testing now to make sure those workers who've come into contact with infected birds are screened . but it's also are screened. but it's also running asymptomatic testing. test results show one of the workers infected is likely to have been contaminated after inhaung have been contaminated after inhaling materials on the farm. it's unclear if the second

person was contaminated after inhalation or not, but three men who supplied fake passports to criminals have been jailed today. anthony beard, christopher btec and alan thompson helped murderers and drug dealers evade justice. chris beard, who paid vulnerable people for their expired documents , was sentenced to six documents, was sentenced to six years and eight months in prison. his accomplices will serve a combined term of 11 years . essex police is years. essex police is investigating an allegation of serious sexual assault against the solihull mp julian knight. it follows a referral by scotland yard and comes after the metropolitan police dropped its investigation into a claim more than a month ago. mr knight, who was stripped of the conservative whip , has denied conservative whip, has denied what he described as a false and malicious accusation an he doesn't plan to run at the next election . those are your latest election. those are your latest news headlines. i'm back in an

houn news headlines. i'm back in an hour. now back to . hour. now back to. jacob the prime minister hour. now back to. jacobl - the prime minister in hour. now back to. jacob- . the prime minister in iceland the prime minister in iceland odom— the prime minister in iceland was about illegal- was talking about illegal mddvodon— was talking about illegal migration, but actually the news mom— migration, but actually the news story on— migration, but actually the news story on me— migration, but actually the news story on me dov— migration, but actually the news story of the day is— migration, but actually the news story of the day is legal mddmdon— story of the day is legal migration, because it was recorded— migration, because it was reported today- migration, because it was reported today that the home secretory— reported today that the home secvedovv nod— reported today that the home secretary had had all but one of her secretary had had all but one of deer ovoooede— secretary had had all but one of her proposals to _ secretary had had all but one of her proposals to kerb record meanne— her proposals to kerb record breaking legal— her proposals to kerb record breaking legal immigration rejected— breaking legal immigration rejected by— breaking legal immigration rejected by the cabinet and this is fundamentally— rejected by the cabinet and this is fundamentally important because— is fundamentally important because those— is fundamentally important because those of us with any denom— because those of us with any dendm on— because those of us with any length of political memory will mov— length of political memory will know mm— length of political memory will know that david— length of political memory will know that david cameron promised to know that david cameron promised do get— know that david cameron promised do get me— know that david cameron promised to get the numbers— know that david cameron promised to get the numbers down to the tene— to get the numbers down to the tens of— to get the numbers down to the tens of thousands— to get the numbers down to the tens of thousands from the nundvede— tens of thousands from the hundreds of— tens of thousands from the hundreds of thousands, whereas we're now hearing— hundreds of thousands, whereas we're now hearing that the numenn— we're now hearing that the numbers could— we're now hearing that the numbers could be up to a mddon— numbers could be up to a million. so— numbers could be up to a million. so instead of coming down— million. so instead of coming down, particularly after brexit, unen— down, particularly after brexit, vvnen ve— down, particularly after brexit, vvnen ve nod— down, particularly after brexit, when we had full— down, particularly after brexit, when we had full control of our borders.— when we had full control of our novdem ide— when we had full control of our borders, it's been— when we had full control of our borders, it's been going up and up dmou— borders, it's been going up and up almost three— borders, it's been going up and up almost three fold from where

it up almost three fold from where n noe— up almost three fold from where n unen— up almost three fold from where it was when we— up almost three fold from where it was when we were still a embe— it was when we were still a emne of— it was when we were still a member of the— it was when we were still a member of the european union. so this member of the european union. so mm de— member of the european union. so mm is ready— member of the european union. so this is really serious.— member of the european union. so this is really serious. it's not met— this is really serious. it's not vnm me— this is really serious. it's not what the conservatives have promised— what the conservatives have pvomdeed end— what the conservatives have promised and it's not what has been— promised and it's not what has been expected— promised and it's not what has been expected by— promised and it's not what has been expected by parliament or the been expected by parliament or me voemd — been expected by parliament or the voters. and— been expected by parliament or the voters. and it— been expected by parliament or the voters. and it seems to come mom— the voters. and it seems to come from me— the voters. and it seems to come from the treasury— the voters. and it seems to come from the treasury which thinks in from the treasury which thinks m conoode— from the treasury which thinks in cahoots with— from the treasury which thinks in cahoots with the obr, that if we nove— in cahoots with the obr, that if we move o— in cahoots with the obr, that if we move o dov— in cahoots with the obr, that if we have a low skill, low wage conomv— we have a low skill, low wage coov unn— we have a low skill, low wage economy with lots— we have a low skill, low wage economy with lots of people commo— economy with lots of people commd m.— economy with lots of people commd m. we— economy with lots of people coming in, we will have some dement— coming in, we will have some edemem of— coming in, we will have some element of gdp— coming in, we will have some element of gdp growth, even if we don-d— element of gdp growth, even if we don-d nove— element of gdp growth, even if we don't have gdp— element of gdp growth, even if we don't have gdp per capita dovm— we don't have gdp per capita econm mm— we don't have gdp per capita growth that currently under the system — growth that currently under the system vveve— growth that currently under the system, we've got— growth that currently under the system, we've got nearly 300,000 neonde— system, we've got nearly 300,000 people udd— system, we've got nearly 300,000 people vvdd ne— system, we've got nearly 300,000 people will be able— system, we've got nearly 300,000 people will be able to come in mm— people will be able to come in mm o— people will be able to come in with a minimum— people will be able to come in with a minimum wage rate of £10, eons— with a minimum wage rate of £10, eons on— with a minimum wage rate of £10, eons on noun— with a minimum wage rate of £10, £0.75 an hour. not— with a minimum wage rate of £10, £0.75 an hour. not much more men— £0.75 an hour. not much more men me— £0.75 an hour. not much more than the national— £0.75 an hour. not much more than the national living wage. mm— than the national living wage. mm de— than the national living wage. mm m not— than the national living wage. this is not creating the high ended— this is not creating the high skilled economy that we need. it is dov— skilled economy that we need. it is low skilled,— skilled economy that we need. it is low skilled, low— skilled economy that we need. it is low skilled, low wage mass mddvodon— is low skilled, low wage mass mddvodon .— is low skilled, low wage mass migration , which— is low skilled, low wage mass migration , which it's very hard migration, which it's very hard for oeoode— migration, which it's very hard for ww“! m— migration, which it's very hard for people in this— migration, which it's very hard for people in this country to compete— for people in this country to compete with— for people in this country to compete with because we can't actually— compete with because we can't actually compete _ compete with because we can't actually compete with low ended— actually compete with low skilled wages. _ actually compete with low skilled wages. those economies nove— skilled wages. those economies nove o— skilled wages. those economies have a completely— skilled wages. those economies have a completely different structure— have a completely different structure .— have a completely different structure . we— have a completely different structure . we need to be structure. we need to be focusing—

structure. we need to be focusing on— structure. we need to be focusing on the industries and the activities— focusing on the industries and the activities that have higher wooe— the activities that have higher vode devede. — the activities that have higher wage levels. so— the activities that have higher wage levels. so if in this country.— wage levels. so if in this country, fruit— wage levels. so if in this country, fruit picking is uneconomic,- country, fruit picking is uneconomic, we must think of odd— uneconomic, we must think of omev minde— uneconomic, we must think of other things to— uneconomic, we must think of other things to do with our land and— other things to do with our land and ouovv— other things to do with our land and allow the _ other things to do with our land and allow the fruit— other things to do with our land and allow the fruit pickers to mov— and allow the fruit pickers to may m— and allow the fruit pickers to day m mem— and allow the fruit pickers to stay in their own— and allow the fruit pickers to stay in their own countries , to stay in their own countries, to pick— stay in their own countries, to pick mun— stay in their own countries, to pick fruit that— stay in their own countries, to pick fruit that is— stay in their own countries, to pick fruit that is grown there. we need— pick fruit that is grown there. we need do— pick fruit that is grown there. we need to have— pick fruit that is grown there. we need to have the comparative odvomode— we need to have the comparative advantage of— we need to have the comparative advantage of what— we need to have the comparative advantage of what we do well. so we nove— advantage of what we do well. so we move o— advantage of what we do well. so we move o high— advantage of what we do well. so we have a high wage, high prosperitv_ we have a high wage, high prosperity economy . that's what prosperity economy. that's what the prosperity economy. that's what me free — prosperity economy. that's what the free market— prosperity economy. that's what the free market tells you that met— the free market tells you that vnm de— the free market tells you that mm m und— the free market tells you that what is what free— the free market tells you that what is what free trade is all onom— what is what free trade is all about .— what is what free trade is all about . nod— what is what free trade is all about , not least— what is what free trade is all about , not least because there's about, not least because there's about, not least because there's o public— about, not least because there's a public mandate— about, not least because there's a public mandate for kerbing dmmdgmdon— a public mandate for kerbing immigration. it's what people nove— immigration. it's what people move voted— immigration. it's what people have voted for. _ immigration. it's what people have voted for. and why do they vote — have voted for. and why do they vote nov— have voted for. and why do they vote for de— have voted for. and why do they vote for it.7 not— have voted for. and why do they vote for it.7 not because they're novd — vote for it.7 not because they're novd oed — vote for it.7 not because they're hard nosed, not— vote for it.7 not because they're hard nosed, not because they don-d— hard nosed, not because they don-d nove— hard nosed, not because they don't have sympathy for migrants who don't have sympathy for migrants vvno ove— don't have sympathy for migrants who are admirable— don't have sympathy for migrants who are admirable looking for a benev— who are admirable looking for a better me.— who are admirable looking for a better life, but— who are admirable looking for a better life, but because we don-d— better life, but because we don-d nove— better life, but because we don't have the— better life, but because we don't have the houses, we don't nove— don't have the houses, we don't move me— don't have the houses, we don't have the infrastructure, we don-d— have the infrastructure, we don-d nove— have the infrastructure, we don't have the— have the infrastructure, we don't have the schools, we don't nove— don't have the schools, we don't move me— don't have the schools, we don't have the .practises- don't have the schools, we don't have the practises for the have the gp practises for the people— have the gp practises for the wow! vvno— have the gp practises for the wow! vvno ove— have the gp practises for the people who are here at the moment— people who are here at the moment .— people who are here at the moment , let— people who are here at the moment, let alone people who are here at the moment , let alone another moment, let alone another mtttton— moment, let alone another million more— moment, let alone another million more .— moment, let alone another million more . so people have million more. so people have voted— million more. so people have voted to— million more. so people have voted to e— million more. so people have voted to see the— million more. so people have voted to see the numbers reduced and vet—

voted to see the numbers reduced and vet ve— voted to see the numbers reduced and vet we de— voted to see the numbers reduced and yet we are facing net immigration— and yet we are facing net immigration figures , possibly immigration figures, possibly netto— immigration figures, possibly to o— immigration figures, possibly near to a million. and it seems very— near to a million. and it seems very unfortunate— near to a million. and it seems very unfortunate that the cottnet— very unfortunate that the cottnet tn— very unfortunate that the cabinet in its— very unfortunate that the cabinet in its individual silos eovtnd— cabinet in its individual silos eovtnd tnte— cabinet in its individual silos eovtnd tnte te— cabinet in its individual silos saying this is good for my deoodment— saying this is good for my department, is— saying this is good for my department, is ignoring the home secretory.— department, is ignoring the home secretory. vno-e— department, is ignoring the home secretary, who's looking at what is secretary, who's looking at what te dood— secretary, who's looking at what te dood tot— secretary, who's looking at what te dood tot de— secretary, who's looking at what is good for the whole of the unten— is good for the whole of the british people.— is good for the whole of the british people. so the homosex , british people. so the homosex, he british people. so the homosex, ne deeetvee— british people. so the homosex, he deserves the— british people. so the homosex, he deserves the prime minister's eunnon— he deserves the prime minister's euooon n.— he deserves the prime minister's euooon tt. nut— he deserves the prime minister's euooon tt. nut ot— he deserves the prime minister's support it. but of course, i wont— support it. but of course, i wont to— support it. but of course, i want to know— support it. but of course, i want to know what you think. note— want to know what you think. note modd— want to know what you think. note mood ot— want to know what you think. male mogg at gb news .uk i'm now joined-— male mogg at gb news .uk i'm now joined- t-m— male mogg at gb news .uk i'm now joined. i'm delighted— male mogg at gb news .uk i'm now joined. i'm delighted to be joined— joined. i'm delighted to be joined by— joined. i'm delighted to be joined by stephen taylor , the joined by stephen taylor, the ot— joined by stephen taylor, the owner of winterwood farm . owner of winterwood farm. stennen — owner of winterwood farm. stephen, thank— owner of winterwood farm. stephen, thank you for joining me . .— stephen, thank you for joining me . i understand you have fruit me. i understand you have fruit torme— me. i understand you have fruit totme not— me. i understand you have fruit totme not duet— me. i understand you have fruit farms not just in— me. i understand you have fruit farms not just in the uk but deo— farms not just in the uk but oteo do— farms not just in the uk but also go abroad.— farms not just in the uk but also go abroad. doesn't it make more sense to import the fruit totnet— more sense to import the fruit totnet tnon— more sense to import the fruit rather than to— more sense to import the fruit rather than to import the denoun— rather than to import the labour? so— rather than to import the labour? so in— rather than to import the labour? so in reality that's vnot-e— labour? so in reality that's what's happening? o” i.:::t. labour? so in reality that's what's happening? ti.t.i:t. what's happening? of course with the reduction in labour availability in the uk since brexit. so for example, we do have farms in poland, as you say, and also in south africa. so yes, if you give an example of blueberries, we can produce

blueberries and deliver them to the uk for the same price as we can just the cost of picking in the uk is now. so the i think the uk is now. so the i think the point i understand the point you make is it better to do it there? but i think the uk government needs to decide whether or not we want to produce our own food. and there's the whole food security aspect or do we, as you suggest, want to divest that business? yes. but isn't food security eue— yes. but isn't food security issue a different— “tit; but isn't food security issue a different issue that is to em— issue a different issue that is to we de— issue a different issue that is to say, it's about— issue a different issue that is to say, it's about produce in very— to say, it's about produce in very totte— to say, it's about produce in very large quantities of food and— very large quantities of food and involving— very large quantities of food and involving industry ization end— and involving industry ization and mechanisation. it's using comttne— and mechanisation. it's using combine harvesters and the mass ot— combine harvesters and the mass means of production of food totnet— means of production of food totnet tnon— means of production of food rather than the— means of production of food rather than the specialist foods vvntcn— rather than the specialist foods vntcn — rather than the specialist foods which are much— rather than the specialist foods which are much easier to import. but which are much easier to import. nut deo— which are much easier to import. nut oteo not— which are much easier to import. but also not so— which are much easier to import. but also not so central to the det— but also not so central to the dtet ot— but also not so central to the dtet ot tne— but also not so central to the diet of the nation— but also not so central to the diet of the nation . so i, i diet of the nation. so i, i vvoutd— diet of the nation. so i, i would differ— diet of the nation. so i, i would differ with you on that . would differ with you on that. mutt.— would differ with you on that. ttutt. nutt— would differ with you on that. fruit, fruit and— would differ with you on that. fruit, fruit and veg— would differ with you on that. fruit, fruit and veg surely- would differ with you on that. fruit, fruit and veg surely is a key aspect is a key part of all

our diets. we're all told to eat more, but isn't it in fact the industry, the horticulture industry, the horticulture industry has been a massive success story over the last 20 years. but isn't it possible to harvest some vegetables oils in a mechanised way and that shouldn't we be investing in more mechanisation ? i understand more mechanisation? i understand some more mechanisation? i understand eott— more mechanisation? i understand eott nutte— more mechanisation? i understand some soft fruits are— more mechanisation? i understand some soft fruits are very- some soft fruits are very dttttcutt— some soft fruits are very difficult to _ some soft fruits are very difficult to pick in a mechanised way. difficult to pick in a- mechanised way. soft fruit, difficult to pick in a— mechanised way. soft fruit, to be clear, not not veg, but and you were mentioning vegetables, vegetables. it you were mentioning vegetables, vegetables . it is you were mentioning vegetables, vegetables. it is easier to pick mecnonteed— vegetables. it is easier to pick mechanised and— vegetables. it is easier to pick mechanised and we— g it is easier to pick mechanised and we need to be devetootnd— mechanised and we need to be devetootnd tne— mechanised and we need to be developing the machines that can fuck— developing the machines that can ntct eott— developing the machines that can pick soft fruits. _ developing the machines that can pick soft fruits. i— developing the machines that can pick soft fruits. i understand me— pick soft fruits. i understand me ttencn— pick soft fruits. i understand the french, they— pick soft fruits. i understand the french, they don't always approve— the french, they don't always approve ot— the french, they don't always approve of rt.— the french, they don't always approve of it. do— the french, they don't always approve of it. do have machines for approve of it. do have machines tor ptcttnd— approve of it. do have machines tor ptcttnp tne— approve of it. do have machines for picking the grapes for some of men— for picking the grapes for some of their wine _ for picking the grapes for some of their wine and— for picking the grapes for some of their wine and that this is a high— of their wine and that this is a man etttted— of their wine and that this is a high skilled economy that we need— high skilled economy that we need to— high skilled economy that we need to move— high skilled economy that we need to move towards rather than tntnttnd— need to move towards rather than tntnttnd tnat— need to move towards rather than thinking that the— need to move towards rather than thinking that the answer is cneap— thinking that the answer is cheap labour— thinking that the answer is cheap labour from abroad . knits“ cheap labour from abroad. well, like cheap labour from abroad. well, ttte t— cheap labour from abroad. well, ttte t eard— cheap labour from abroad. well, ttte t eatd. ve— cheap labour from abroad. well, like i said, we have— cheap labour from abroad. well, like i said, we have a— cheap labour from abroad. well, like i said, we have a choice to make, don't we? we have the choice to continue growing soft fruit in the country or to grow it abroad. what is actually happening is exactly as you said, should happen in a way , as

said, should happen in a way, as labour gets short, the price of the labour goes up and it becomes unviable. here so this yean becomes unviable. here so this year, for example, there's going to be less english raspberries on the shelf , to be less english raspberries on the shelf, purely because growers are unsure if they're going to have enough pickers. so it is going in that direction anyway. and it is going in that direction anyway . and isn't that actually anyway. and isn't that actually tenettctat— anyway. and isn't that actually beneficial because _ a) and isn't that actually beneficial because we want our tettov— beneficial because we want our fellow citizens— beneficial because we want our fellow citizens to _ beneficial because we want our fellow citizens to have higher vvadee— fellow citizens to have higher wage and— fellow citizens to have higher wages and that— fellow citizens to have higher wages and that therefore we need tnem — wages and that therefore we need men to— wages and that therefore we need men to te— wages and that therefore we need them to be doing— wages and that therefore we need them to be doing the higher etttted— them to be doing the higher skilled-and- them to be doing the higher skilled -and the- them to be doing the higher skilled and the answer skilled jobs? and the answer ten-t— skilled jobs? and the answer ten-t tne— skilled jobs? and the answer isn't the influx— skilled jobs? and the answer isn't the influx of low skilled tatour— isn't the influx of low skilled tatour. tt— isn't the influx of low skilled tatour. tt te— isn't the influx of low skilled labour. it is to— isn't the influx of low skilled labour. it is to find jobs that provtde— labour. it is to find jobs that provide higher— labour. it is to find jobs that provide higher pay for the domeettc— provide higher pay for the domestic workforce . yes if there domestic workforce. yes if there ntdn— domestic workforce. yes if there was high unemployment in this country.— was high unemployment in this countryr tnat— was high unemployment in this country, that argument has a bit mertt. — country, that argument has a bit mertt. t— country, that argument has a bit more merit. i would- country, that argument has a bit more merit. : 33 more merit. i would suggest unemployment . it more merit. i would suggest unemployment. it is very low in this country in our particular area, the ourselves and the local growers , we employ more local growers, we employ more people than there are unemployed in our region . so part of the in our region. so part of the issue with upskilling british labouris

issue with upskilling british labour is it's not the brits are lazy or actually don't want to do the job, it's because they're living in the wrong location often. but we've got an awful lot of people who are economically inactive who could be economically inactive, who , be economically inactive, who, if the wages were high enough, would be likely to. we've actually seen _ : c we've actually seen 100,000 people tact— actually seen 100,000 people come back into— actually seen 100,000 people come back into the labour market and voure— come back into the labour market and voure voue— come back into the labour market and you're you're you're exactly rtdnt. — and you're you're you're exactly rtdnt. n— and you're you're you're exactly rtdnt. tt vou— and you're you're you're exactly rtdnt. tt vou rt— and you're you're you're exactly right. if you if you— and you're you're you're exactly right. if you if you double the wages, i'm sure there'll be more brits that do it. but going back to point then, to your point then, the consumer, especially what we're seeing now with the cost of living crisis is they're not going to pay double for the fruit. what fruit. so therefore, what happens you end up not happens is you end up not growing in the first place growing it in the first place and you have the result is exactly what you said. we import more. so this year we're going to importing more to be importing more raspberries, for example, for the exact reason that you just said. so. the exact reason that you just said . so. stephen, thank you so said. so. stephen, thank you so mucn— said. so. stephen, thank you so mucn tor— said. so. stephen, thank you so much for joining— said. so. stephen, thank you so much forjoining me.— t: so. stephen, thank you so much forjoining me. i think me— much forjoining me. i think tntela— much forjoining me. i think this-a really— much forjoining me. i think this a really interesting this is a really interesting argument— this is a really interesting argument which i'm going to conttnue— argument which i'm going toj continue—panel, continue now with my panel, toby young—undon- young of the free speech union and— young of the free speech union and former— young of the free speech union and former labour— young of the free speech union and former labour councillor kevtn— and former labour councillor kevtn-kevtn - and former labour councillor kevin-kevin, let- and former labour councillor. kevin-kevin, let-come kevin craig. kevin, let me come to-tecauee—

kevin craig. kevin, let me come to-tecauee rt- kevin craig. kevin, let me come to because it seems to you first, because it seems to you first, because it seems to me— to you first, because it seems to me me— to you first, because it seems to me me te— to you first, because it seems to me this is in— to you first, because it seems to me this is in fact the free market— to me this is in fact the free market operating and we need to toot— market operating and we need to toot at— market operating and we need to toot at unat— market operating and we need to look at what we— market operating and we need to look at what we have a comparative _ look at what we have a comparative advantage at and tocue— comparative advantage at and tocue on— comparative advantage at and focus on that— comparative advantage at and focus on that so— comparative advantage at and focus on that so that people in me— focus on that so that people in me country— focus on that so that people in this country have— focus on that so that people in this country have higher wages. we need— this country have higher wages. we need to— this country have higher wages. we need to te— this country have higher wages. we need to be a— this country have higher wages. we need to be a high wage conomv t— we need to be a high wage economy. i think most people agree— economy. i think most people agree tnat— economy. i think most people agree tnat vve— economy. i think most people agree that we -be - economy. i think most people agree that we be a high agree that we need to be a high wage— agree that we need to be a high vage eoov— agree that we need to be a high wage economy. jacob but before brent.— wage economy. jacob but before nrevtt. tne— wage economy. jacob but before brexit, the - and _ wage economy. jacob but before brexit, the - and - in - wage economy. jacob but before brexit, the and in our brexit, the fruit and veg in our ttetde— brexit, the fruit and veg in our ttetde-ptcted— brexit, the fruit and veg in our fields-picked ,_ brexit, the fruit and veg in our fields picked , but we didn't fields got picked, but we didn't nave— fields got picked, but we didn't nave a— fields got picked, but we didn't have a million— fields got picked, but we didn't have a million people coming in ma— have a million people coming in ma .— have a million people coming in ma . nut— have a million people coming in ma . but we— have a million people coming in that . but we had— have a million people coming in that. but we had some people comtng— that. but we had some people comtng tn— that. but we had some people coming in from _ that. but we had some people coming in from foreign countries to ptct— coming in from foreign countries to ptct mutt— coming in from foreign countries to pick fruit and— coming in from foreign countries to pick fruit and vegetables over many , many decades. even over many, many decades. even before— over many, many decades. even before vve— over many, many decades. even before we — over many, many decades. even before we were members of the european— before we were members of the turopean undon— before we were members of the european union. but it's the overatt— european union. but it's the overall immigration picture that has overall immigration picture that nae-ot— overall immigration picture that has-of control- overall immigration picture that has-of control of- overall immigration picture that has of control of which has got out of control of which trutt— has got out of control of which trutt and— has got out of control of which trutt and veg— has got out of control of which fruit and veg is— has got out of control of which fruit and veg is small part, fruit and veg is a small part, tnat— fruit and veg is a small part, tnat rt— fruit and veg is a small part, tnat tt rt— fruit and veg is a small part, that if it were— fruit and veg is a small part, that if it were only fruit and veg,— that if it were only fruit and veg-voutd— that if it were only fruit and veg,-would be- that if it were only fruit and veg, would be fine. veg, that would be fine. but tt-e— veg, that would be fine. but tt-e eo— veg, that would be fine. but tt-e eo manv— veg, that would be fine. but it's so many other areas of life vvnere— it's so many other areas of life vvnere peopte— it's so many other areas of life where people are— it's so many other areas of life where people are coming in now to tate— where people are coming in now to take me— where people are coming in now to take the low— where people are coming in now to take the low paid, low etttted— to take the low paid, low skilled jobs.— to take the low paid, low skilled jobs. that's the issue. vean— skilled jobs. that's the issue. vean tut— skilled jobs. that's the issue. em but we— skilled jobs. that's the issue. yeah, but we arnie since since brent.— yeah, but we arnie since since nrevtt. vou— yeah, but we arnie since since brexit, you know— yeah, but we arnie since since brexit, you know ,_ yeah, but we arnie since since brexit, you know , the number of brexit, you know, the number of meate— brexit, you know, the number of meate tnat— brexit, you know, the number of meals that were— brexit, you know, the number of meals that were wasted in terms of food— meals that were wasted in terms of food unpicked_

meals that were wasted in terms of food unpicked is— meals that were wasted in terms of food unpicked is in to, what p,— of food unpicked is in to, what p, 7— of food unpicked is in to, what was it, 7 billion— of food unpicked is in to, what was it, 7 billion meals wasted in was it, 7 billion meals wasted tn zon- — was it, 7 billion meals wasted tn zon- tne— was it, 7 billion meals wasted in 2022. the wru— was it, 7 billion meals wasted in 2022. the nfu say that 40% of mem— in 2022. the nfu say that 40% of tnetr memerte— in 2022. the nfu say that 40% of their members lost— in 2022. the nfu say that 40% of their members lost crops in the fed— their members lost crops in the ttetd and— their members lost crops in the field and even— their members lost crops in the field and even your own government— field and even your own government has issued this year, i government has issued this year, t tntnt— government has issued this year, t tntnt up— government has issued this year, t tntnt up to— government has issued this year, i think up to 45,000 additional seasonal visas— i think up to 45,000 additional seasonal visas to— i think up to 45,000 additional seasonal visas to allow us to get— seasonal visas to allow us to get tne— seasonal visas to allow us to get me crope— seasonal visas to allow us to get the crops out— seasonal visas to allow us to get the crops out of the soil . get the crops out of the soil. and— get the crops out of the soil. and t— get the crops out of the soil. and t tntnt— get the crops out of the soil. and i think what's quite remarkable— and i think what's quite remarkable about how you poettton— remarkable about how you position this— remarkable about how you position this this evening is tnat— position this this evening is tnat vou— position this this evening is that you seem _ position this this evening is that you seem to be saying let the that you seem to be saying let me tree— that you seem to be saying let the free market— that you seem to be saying let the free market bit do its thing and— the free market bit do its thing and rt— the free market bit do its thing and it doesn't— the free market bit do its thing and it doesn't matter. ultimately— and it doesn't matter. ultimately if- and it doesn't matter. ultimately if we don't produce as ultimately if we don't produce ae mucn— ultimately if we don't produce ae mucn ot— ultimately if we don't produce as much of our— ultimately if we don't produce as much of our own food. no, got— as much of our own food. no, got to— as much of our own food. no, we've got to produce food aid tnat— we've got to produce food aid tnat vve— we've got to produce food aid tnat we can— we've got to produce food aid that we can produce economically. and that means ntgner— economically. and that means ntgner etttte— economically. and that means higher skills, mechanisation . it higher skills, mechanisation. it means not being— higher skills, mechanisation. it means not being a low skilled mutt— means not being a low skilled trutt ptcttng— means not being a low skilled fruit picking society. toby nett— fruit picking society. toby vvett. voure— fruit picking society. toby well, you're focusing on the mutt— well, you're focusing on the fruit pickers— well, you're focusing on the fruit pickers and as you've just eard— fruit pickers and as you've just eatd. tdent — fruit pickers and as you've just said, rishi sunak— fruit pickers and as you've just said, rishi sunak i think today announced that— said, rishi sunak i think today announced that the increase in the announced that the increase in me numero— announced that the increase in the number of— announced that the increase in the number of visas given to seasonal workers— the number of visas given to seasonal workers is going to trom — seasonal workers is going to increase from -to - seasonal workers is going to- increase from -to 45,000. increase from 30,000 to 45,000. mat-e— increase from 30,000 to 45,000. mate-to— increase from 30,000 to 45,000. mate-to te— increase from 30,000 to 45,000. mate-to be-tol that's going to be extended to next year. but it isn't just seasonal workers. - "nix. but it isn't just seasonal workers. it's nearly 300.000— seasonal workers. it's nearly pooeoo tor— seasonal workers. it's nearly 300,000 for social care, 300,000

for 300,000 for social care, 300,000 tor eoctat— 300,000 for social care, 300,000 for social care.— 300,000 for social care, 300,000 for social care. _ 300,000 for social care, 300,000 for social care. up— 300,000 for social care, 300,000 for social care. up to- 300,000 for social care, 300,000 for social care. may. for social care. up to nearly half a million students in a year to december. 485,000 student visas— year to december. 485,000 student visas were- ti 485,000 student visas were issued . one student visas were issued. one of me — student visas were issued. one of me tntnge— student visas were issued. one of the things that— student visas were issued. one of the things that the sevilla propoeed— of the things that the sevilla propoeed tn— of the things that the sevilla proposed in cabinet to reduce overatt— proposed in cabinet to reduce overatt net— proposed in cabinet to reduce overall net migration was to edu— overall net migration was to edu tne— overall net migration was to reduce the number of student veae— reduce the number of student tnat— reduce the number of student visas that was— reduce the number of student visas that was opposed by ettttan— visas that was opposed by gillian keegan. the education secretary.— gillian keegan. the education secretary. she's— gillian keegan. the education secretary. she's also suggested tnat— secretary. she's also suggested tnat oe— secretary. she's also suggested tnat tnev— secretary. she's also suggested that once they finish their courses, they _ that once they finish their courses, they shouldn't be able to etav— courses, they shouldn't be able to etav on— courses, they shouldn't be able to etav on and— courses, they shouldn't be able to stay on and if— courses, they shouldn't be able to stay on and if they drop out tnev— to stay on and if they drop out they shouldn't— to stay on and if they drop out they shouldn't be— to stay on and if they drop out they shouldn't be able to stay on. they shouldn't be able to stay and— they shouldn't be able to stay and tn— they shouldn't be able to stay on. and in particular they enoutdn-t— shouldn't be able to bring dependente— shouldn't be able to bring dependents and dependents over with them. and tnere— dependents over with them. and there extraordinary there was an extraordinary numero— there was an extraordinary numert ot— there was an extraordinary number of dependents the year number of dependents in the year to—eometntng- number of dependents in the year to_something like- to december, something like tended.— to december, something like 135,000, depending notes came in on tne— 135,000, depending notes came in on me tact— 135,000, depending notes came in on me tact ot— 135,000, depending notes came in on the back of those— 135,000, depending notes came in on the back of those close to natt— on the back of those close to man a— on the back of those close to half a million— on the back of those close to half a million student visas , half a million student visas, etudent— half a million student visas, student visas— half a million student visas, student visas issued in just one year.— student visas issued in just one year t— student visas issued in just one year. t mean— student visas issued in just one year. t rt— student visas issued in just one year. i mean, it beggars belief tnat— year. i mean, it beggars belief tnat tne— year. i mean, it beggars belief that the cabinet— year. i mean, it beggars belief that the cabinet aren't willing to at— that the cabinet aren't willing to at teaet— that the cabinet aren't willing to at least give— that the cabinet aren't willing to at least give sir ella's propoeate— to at least give sir ella's propoeate to— to at least give sir ella's proposals to the time of day and conetder— proposals to the time of day and consider them— proposals to the time of day and consider them properly instead of consider them properly instead ottuet— consider them properly instead of just shooting— consider them properly instead of just shooting them down. it's as of just shooting them down. it's ae tnougn— of just shooting them down. it's ae tnougn tnev— of just shooting them down. it's as though they want to lose the next— as though they want to lose the next generat— as though they want to lose the next general election. " next general election. this must be next general election. this must toe—te— next general election. this must toe—tenet- be right because it is out of control and voters keep on voting to have under control.

voting to have it under control. well, voters voted for, i well, what voters voted for, i think one of the main and we all know, you know, there's a labour party person and a businessman primarily, as well as a former councillor . i primarily, as well as a former councillor. i understand primarily, as well as a former councillor . i understand that councillor. i understand that one of the reasons brexit happened was, is that there was some people afraid to talk about control rolling our borders. i think it's perfectly fine to talk about controlled immigration , but you know, you immigration, but you know, you said it at the top , you talked said it at the top, you talked about gp surgery , his and about gp surgery, his and schools. you know, why can't we just build the houses? this country needs? you know , and country needs? you know, and also the home secretary, she seemed to be suggesting that we put the elderly arnie to work in the fields , you know, or i don't the fields, you know, or i don't know if this is job creation for tory councillors that lost their seats , but i just think this is seats, but i just think this is the completely wrong approach that we should not be a low skilled economy and that low skilled economy and that low skilled but low skilled jobs need to be replaced and that bringing in migrants to fill the

low skilled jobs is not the answer. it's a very short term answer. it's a very short term answer that farmers should be designing their farms and planting things that they can pick with machines and over time, i think the nfu, the farmers union, would say that that's where they want to get to. but the shock of brexit, if you like , is but it's not the you like, is but it's not the shock of brexit because we've still got all these hundreds of thousands of people coming in. brexit is a complete red herring on you better bring toby on this. you better bring toby back hardly back because he's hardly said a word. well, the levels of word. well, yeah, the levels of net mtgratton— word. well, yeah, the levels of net migration have— : well, yeah, the levels of net migration have actually ncreaeed— net migration have actually increased since _ net migration have actually increased since brexit, so it's nard— increased since brexit, so it's mm to— increased since brexit, so it's hard to blame,— increased since brexit, so it's hard to blame, you know , crops hard to blame, you know, crops rotttng— hard to blame, you know, crops rotttng tn— hard to blame, you know, crops rotttng tn tne— hard to blame, you know, crops rotting in the fields on brexit. so rotting in the fields on brexit. so tnev— rotting in the fields on brexit. so tnev eav— rotting in the fields on brexit. so they say that— rotting in the fields on brexit. so they say that a lot of folks and— so they say that a lot of folks and apotogtee— so they say that a lot of folks and apologies for— so they say that a lot of folks and apologies for interrupting just and apologies for interrupting duet on— and apologies for interrupting tuet on me— and apologies for interrupting just on this specific point, tnev— just on this specific point, tnev eav— just on this specific point, tnev eav-a— just on this specific point, tnev eav-ant- just on this specific point, they say a of these they say that a lot of these orerte— they say that a lot of these workers from _ they say that a lot of these workers from the eu went home after— workers from the eu went home after brent.— workers from the eu went home after brexit, but— workers from the eu went home after brexit, but they've been reptaced— after brexit, but they've been reptaced pv— after brexit, but they've been replaced by people coming in. mat-e— replaced by people coming in. mat-e rtgtt— replaced by people coming in. that's right, other— replaced by people coming in. that's right, other people- that's right, other people coming in, which is why we have higher levels migration higher levels of net migration than in 2016. the food than we did in 2016. the food that being is in that isn't being picked is in the tens of millions of pounds

out an industry that runs out of an industry that runs into billions of into the many billions of pounds. a tiny fraction and pounds. it's a tiny fraction and you some of you always have some element of food picked food that doesn't get picked from proposals that from one of the proposals that suella suggested in suella braverman suggested in cabinet was us setting a cabinet today was us setting a minimum amount that employers can pay skilled workers . i mean, can pay skilled workers. i mean, the reason they like— can pay skilled workers. i mean, the reason they like to- i mean, the reason they like to import tatour— the reason they like to import tatour te— the reason they like to import labour is because— the reason they like to import labour is because they can pay teee— labour is because they can pay teee tor— labour is because they can pay teee tor rt.— labour is because they can pay less for it, even— labour is because they can pay less for it, even for— labour is because they can pay less for it, even for skilled tatour— less for it, even for skilled tatour. so— less for it, even for skilled labour. so that— less for it, even for skilled labour. so that seemed to me a verv— labour. so that seemed to me a very eenettte— labour. so that seemed to me a very sensible proposal. and yes, it very sensible proposal. and yes, tt mtgnt— very sensible proposal. and yes, tt mtgnt tead— very sensible proposal. and yes, it might lead to— very sensible proposal. and yes, it might lead to some uptick in prtcee— it might lead to some uptick in prtcee. tne— it might lead to some uptick in prices. the point— it might lead to some uptick in prices. the point that you made earner.— prices. the point that you made earlier,-absolutely- prices. the point that you made earlier, absolutely right . earlier, but absolutely right. vou— earlier, but absolutely right. you-peopte— earlier, but absolutely right. you-peopte tn- earlier, but absolutely right. you-people in on- earlier, but absolutely right. you-people in on low. earlier, but absolutely right. - you-people in on low wages you allow people in on low wages . that keeps down. it . that keeps wages down. it means fewer brits who means there are fewer brits who want do it. means you need want to do it. it means you need more to come in from more people to come in from abroad it becomes vicious abroad and it becomes a vicious circle. very much to circle. thank you very much to my going my excellent panel. we're going to them again to be hearing from them again shortly. always want shortly. remember, i always want to thoughts. male mogg to hear your thoughts. male mogg at gbnews.uk. next, how your at gbnews.uk. up next, how your taxes have been funding deeply disturbing practises in communist china. disturbing practises in communist china . and don't communist china. and don't forget, david, of the north of the north of shropshire, actually is here for a triumphant victory lap after undercutting goliath's exorbitant petrol prices. you

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means of producing things . means of producing things. you're listening . welcome back . you're listening. welcome back. i'm still jacob rees—mogg and me— i'm still jacob rees—mogg and me te— i'm still jacob rees—mogg and me te state— i'm still jacob rees—mogg and this is state of— i'm still jacob rees—mogg and this is state of the nation. vouve— this is state of the nation. vouve teen— this is state of the nation. you've been getting in touch vttn— you've been getting in touch with -thoughts. - you've been getting in touch with thoughts. neil well, with your thoughts. neil well, i'm with your thoughts. neil well, t-m-to— with your thoughts. neil well, t-m-to-vou- with your thoughts. neil well,| i'm -to .you what i'm not going to tell you what nett— i'm not going to tell you what uett eave— i'm not going to tell you what uett saysr tut— i'm not going to tell you what neil says, but he's right. so vett— neil says, but he's right. so vett-uett. — neil says, but he's right. so well- neil. peter- neil says, but he's right. so well neil. peter how can well done, neil. peter how can well done, neil. peter how can we tegtn— well done, neil. peter how can we tegtn-tne- well done, neil. peter how can we begin the housing we begin to solve the housing enonage— we begin to solve the housing shortage immigration shortage with immigration at the current—sueani current level? absolutely. susan if current level? absolutely. susan tt etudente— current level? absolutely. susan if students pick— current level? absolutely. susan if students pick fruit, give tnem — if students pick fruit, give tnem oe— if students pick fruit, give them one year's free university ttar—a—tago— them one year's free university mar—a—lago right. i agree with the mar—a—lago right. i agree with me nome— mar—a—lago right. i agree with the home secretary . they need to the home secretary. they need to euppon— the home secretary. they need to euppon ner— the home secretary. they need to euppon ner. tnev— the home secretary. they need to support her. they will lose votee— support her. they will lose votee tor— support her. they will lose votes for-on- support her. they will lose votes for on this issue. votes for sure on this issue. and— votes for sure on this issue. and tute— votes for sure on this issue. and mike, the— votes for sure on this issue. and mike, the prime minister muet— and mike, the prime minister muet gtve— and mike, the prime minister muet gtve nre— and mike, the prime minister must give his backing to the dome— must give his backing to the dome-ne- must give his backing to the home he, failing to must give his backing to the- home-he, failing to do home secretary he, failing to do so _conservativel so will render the conservative party— so will render the conservative pattv--_ so will render the conservative nanv-. wett- so will render the conservative nanv-. wen, t- so will render the conservative party . well, i hope party obsolete. well, i hope not.— party obsolete. well, i hope not. nov.— party obsolete. well, i hope not. now, there's been a very eertouerom-t - not. now, there's been a very serious-from the- not. now, there's been a very serious from the campaign serious report from the campaign group— serious report from the campaign group-soctetv— serious report from the campaign group-soctetv tor— serious report from the campaign group society for the group the society for the protection _ group the society for the protection of _ group the society for the- protection of-children, protection of unborn children, vntcn—tav- protection of unborn children,l vntcn—tax paver which reveals that uk tax payer funde— which reveals that uk tax payer tunde nave— which reveals that uk tax payer funds have been— which reveals that uk tax payer funds have been used to fund coerce abortions— funds have been used to fund coerce abortions in china . the coerce abortions in china. the tomtenett— coerce abortions in china. the bombshell report— coerce abortions in china. the bombshell report has detailed tnat— bombshell report has detailed tnat over— bombshell report has detailed tnat a— bombshell report has detailed that over a two— bombshell report has detailed that over a two year period

approvtmatetv— that over a two year period approximately £82 million of your— approximately £82 million of your money— approximately £82 million of your money has— approximately £82 million of your money has been sent to comuntet— your money has been sent to communist china— your money has been sent to communist china in aid of women and gtrte— communist china in aid of women and gtrte to— communist china in aid of women and girls to access— communist china in aid of women and girls to access abortions. however, alarms— and girls to access abortions. however, alarms were raised after— however, alarms were raised atter tne— however, alarms were raised after the chinese— however, alarms were raised after the chinese communist party— after the chinese communist ranv put— after the chinese communist ranv put tn— after the chinese communist party put in place a system that reduced— party put in place a system that reduced tne— party put in place a system that reduced the uyghur birth rate, tnctudtng— reduced the uyghur birth rate, including mandates , including mandates, sterilisations and forced atorttone— sterilisations and forced abortions. the report has found tnat— abortions. the report has found tnat ence— abortions. the report has found that since then,— abortions. the report has found that since then, at— abortions. the report has found that since then, at least tceaee— that since then, at least 186,400 fewer- that since then, at least 186,400 fewer children were born in 186,400 fewer children were born tn xtnttang— 186,400 fewer children were born tn xmttang .— 186,400 fewer children were born tn xmttang . uov— 186,400 fewer children were born in xinjiang . now the foreign and in xinjiang. now the foreign and commonwealth— in xinjiang. now the foreign and commonwealth office has insisted that commonwealth office has insisted tnat no— commonwealth office has insisted tnat no uk— commonwealth office has insisted tnat no u add— commonwealth office has insisted that no uk aid is— commonwealth office has insisted that no uk aid is used to fund forced— that no uk aid is used to fund forced abortion— that no uk aid is used to fund forced abortion practises in cntna— forced abortion practises in cntna .— forced abortion practises in china . well,— forced abortion practises in china . well, joining me now is china. well, joining me now is the china. well, joining me now is me autnor— china. well, joining me now is the author of— china. well, joining me now is the author of the _ china. well, joining me now is the author of the report, atetnea — the author of the report, alethea williams public policy manager— alethea williams public policy anger at— alethea williams public policy manager at the— alethea williams public policy manager at the protection soctetv— manager at the protection soctetv ot— manager at the protection society of the _ manager at the protection society of the protection of unborn— society of the protection of unborn children. alethea, this is unborn children. alethea, this te reattv— unborn children. alethea, this is really important that we know tnat— is really important that we know tnat cntna— is really important that we know that china forces— is really important that we know that china forces abortions. actuattv— that china forces abortions. actuattv. t— that china forces abortions. actually, i discovered at your meettng— actually, i discovered at your meeting earlier— actually, i discovered at your meeting earlier today that . meeting earlier today that. toure— meeting earlier today that. you're now allowed three cnttdren.— you're now allowed three children. so— you're now allowed three children. so it's the fourth cnttd— children. so it's the fourth cnttd uno— children. so it's the fourth child who would be abort id and as child who would be abort id and ae t— child who would be abort id and

ae t am— child who would be abort id and ae t am tn— child who would be abort id and as i am in fact— child who would be abort id and as i am in fact a— child who would be abort id and as i am in fact a fourth child, i as i am in fact a fourth child, t noted— as i am in fact a fourth child, t noted tnat— as i am in fact a fourth child, i noted that quite— as i am in fact a fourth child, i noted that quite strongly that peopte— i noted that quite strongly that peopte duet— i noted that quite strongly that peopte tuet are— i noted that quite strongly that people just are not allowed to due— people just are not allowed to live because _ people just are not allowed to live because of— people just are not allowed to live because of china's policy. and— live because of china's policy. and vou— live because of china's policy. and you nave— live because of china's policy. and you have evidence that the toretgn— and you have evidence that the foreign office _ and you have evidence that the foreign office is— and you have evidence that the foreign office is funding this vett— foreign office is funding this vett. so— foreign office is funding this well. so there's— foreign office is funding this well. so there's certainly evtdence — well. so there's certainly evidence that _ well. so there's certainly evidence that we're still giving aid evidence that we're still giving add to— evidence that we're still giving aid to china. _ evidence that we're still giving aid to china. so— evidence that we're still giving aid to china. so ,_ evidence that we're still giving aid to china. so, no, this shouldn't be the case in 2011. the then department for international development said they were going to cut all development aid to china. but what we found is that money is still going from other departments and also for the foreign office itself , if foreign office itself, if there's , i'd say, a lack of there's, i'd say, a lack of transparency and where money is being spent. so they said there was a 95% cut, but the independent commission for aid impact , where we got a lot of impact, where we got a lot of these figures from, said that this is, quote, this figure is, i quote, misleading at best. it said misleading at best. and it said that this only applies to a certain stream of funding which was going which was aid spent in china. but then there was other aid that was counted as aid with china. so not all aid that's

epent— china. so not all aid that's epent tn— china. so not all aid that's spent in china— china. so not all aid that's spent in china is- c" so not all aid that's spent in china is spent by the toretgn— spent in china is spent by the foreign office.— spent in china is spent by the foreign office. it— spent in china is spent by the foreign office. it can go via one— foreign office. it can go via other departments and into organisations— other departments and into organisations ,_ other departments and into organisations , including un organisations, including un organisations— organisations, including un organisations that may then provtde— organisations that may then provide funds— organisations that may then provide funds to do forced atonton— provide funds to do forced abortion providers in china. vee. — abortion providers in china. vee. so— abortion providers in china. yes. so another- abortion providers in china. yes. so another stream is the money that we give to these international family planning organisations, so—called. so the international planned parenthood federation and the united nafions federation and the united nations population association an they both are active in china. so for instance, ipp , the china. so for instance, ipp, the china. so for instance, ipp, the china family planning association, which carries out all these all these policies, has been an ippf member since 1983 and receives money from the ippf . so yes, it does. yeah. so ippf. so yes, it does. yeah. so the money is going from the uk government to an international organisation to the chinese organisation to the chinese organisation that carries out forced abortions. so there is a clear forced abortions. so there is a ctear ttnt— forced abortions. so there is a clear link from _ forced abortions. so there is a clear link from british- clear link from british taxpavere— clear link from british taxpayers through to forced atontone. — taxpayers through to forced abortions. papillae «tilt? taxpayers through to forced abortions. poeticiyt «tilt? ' t: abortions. exactly, yes. and that must be very worrying for people regardless of their view of abortion . many of the viewers

of abortion. many of the viewers mav— of abortion. many of the viewers mav mov— of abortion. many of the viewers mav tnovv mv— of abortion. many of the viewers may know my view— of abortion. many of the viewers may know my view on- tit" many of the viewers may know my view on abortion, tut— may know my view on abortion, but tnat— may know my view on abortion, but tnat even— may know my view on abortion, but that even if— may know my view on abortion, but that even if you are in favour— but that even if you are in favour ot— but that even if you are in favour of a— but that even if you are in favour of a woman's choice , this favour of a woman's choice, this is favour of a woman's choice, this te denvtng— favour of a woman's choice, this te denvtng women— favour of a woman's choice, this is denying women choice because tnev— is denying women choice because tnev are— is denying women choice because tnev navtng— is denying women choice because they are having children taken out ot— they are having children taken out of tnetr— they are having children taken out of their wombs . they are not out of their wombs. they are not attovved— out of their wombs. they are not attoved to— out of their wombs. they are not allowed to carry— out of their wombs. they are not allowed to carry a— out of their wombs. they are not allowed to carry a birth to full term. — allowed to carry a birth to full term. teat.— allowed to carry a birth to full term. yeah, exactly- allowed to carry a birth to full term. yeah, exactly .- allowed to carry a birth to full term. “first" cokeqcc�*j ' t: allowed to carry a birth to full term. “first" cfikirfificwt ' t: c term. yeah, exactly. and it's kind of terrifying because it hits at one of the most personal kind of private things, the rights to have children . i mean, rights to have children. i mean, people might say now, well, china's relaxed its policies. you're allowed three children. well, you'll know you well, you know, you'll know you have than three children have more than three children yourself. the state yourself. the idea of the state telling you how many children you is abhorrent. you can have is just abhorrent. and just because they've relaxed it to three doesn't mean those coercive of the state enforced coercive of the state enforced coercive policy is not in place. and then it's particular albie egregious what's happening to the minority populations in in xinjiang. and there's very recent evidence of forced abortions there. and this figure of tne— abortions there. and this figure of the decline _ abortions there. and this figure of the decline in— and this figure of the decline in number of tanne— of the decline in number of ttrtne ot— of the decline in number of births of the— of the decline in number of births of the uyghurs in xtnttang— births of the uyghurs in xmttang .— births of the uyghurs in xinjiang , that is the whole of xinjiang, that is the whole of the xinjiang, that is the whole of me manned— xinjiang, that is the whole of the planned parenthood effort by

the planned parenthood effort by me cntneee— the planned parenthood effort by the chinese state. _ the planned parenthood effort by the chinese state. so it's they wont— the chinese state. so it's they wont att— the chinese state. so it's they wont at de— the chinese state. so it's they won't all be abortions, but they vttt— won't all be abortions, but they vttt te— won't all be abortions, but they vttt be empty— won't all be abortions, but they will be simply stopping the uvgnure— will be simply stopping the uyghurs having children. full etop. — uyghurs having children. full etop. vean— uyghurs having children. full etop. vean — uyghurs having children. full etop. vean so— uyghurs having children. full stop. yeah so it's- uyghurs having children. full stop. yeah c stop. yeah so it's not just abortion. so there is a lot of that. there's forced sterilisations, forced implantations of intrauterine devices and well, the associated press just talked about a climate of terror around having children. so . and women and children. so. and women and families are having to hide their children. there's one story we report here of a man with four children and he was hiding them under carts when they were going into town, ended up running away for a time because authorities were because the authorities were after them. it'sjust because the authorities were after them. it's just that kind of there. and they of atmosphere there. and they tell of atmosphere there. and they tett nomen— of atmosphere there. and they tell women .once - of atmosphere there. and they tell women .once they've. of atmosphere there. and they. tell women .once they've had tell women that once they've had one—got— tell women that once they've had one—got to- tell women that once they've had one—got to watt- one child, they've got to wait tour—tnati four years for the next. that tt-e— four years for the next. that me an— four years for the next. that it's an ordered— four years for the next. that it's an ordered parenthood. toure— it's an ordered parenthood. you're-allowed- it's an ordered parenthood. you're allowed freely to you're not allowed freely to nave— you're not allowed freely to nave vour— you're not allowed freely to have your three _ you're not allowed freely to have your three children. you nave— have your three children. you naveldo— have your three children. you naveldo rt— have your three children. you have do it according to the have to do it according to the rutee— have to do it according to the rutee-etate. — have to do it according to the rules-state. and- have to do it according to the rules state. and they rules of the state. and they vvttt— rules of the state. and they vttt-vour— rules of the state. and they will your neighbours to spy will ask your neighbours to spy on vou— will ask your neighbours to spy on vou and— will ask your neighbours to spy on vou and me— will ask your neighbours to spy on you and use coercive measures to take— on you and use coercive measures to take controt— on you and use coercive measures to take control of— on you and use coercive measures to take control of women's tenttttv— to take control of women's tenttttv .— to take control of women's fertility . see? - to take control of women's fertility . see? “first" cokeqcc�*j fertility. see? yeah, exactly. it's just it's just something we

can't even really imagine here. theidea can't even really imagine here. the idea of the state having oversight of when women are having periods when they're planning to their children planning to have their children and even if the state is maybe not cracking down quite as much as they were in some areas because worried as they were in some areas becauthe worried as they were in some areas becauthe huge worried as they were in some areas becauthe huge demographic about the huge demographic demographic crisis they're facing own facing brought by their own policies. seeing that policies. we're seeing that employers are now doing this. women are being subjected to pregnancy checks and being asked about their child rearing plans in interviews. and about their child rearing plans in interviews . and you've in job interviews. and you've tauncned— in job interviews. and you've launched the _ in job interviews. and you've launched the report- " and you've launched the report recently . launched the report recently. why— launched the report recently. vvnv nae— launched the report recently. vvnv nae tne— launched the report recently. why has the foreign office not teen— why has the foreign office not been extremely— why has the foreign office not been extremely concerned about men— been extremely concerned about tntee—to— been extremely concerned about tntee—to nave- this? it just seems to have eard— this? it just seems to have end-no.— this? it just seems to have said,-no, we're- this? it just seems to have said, no, we're not doing said, no, no, we're not doing tnte— said, no, no, we're not doing tnte-atong.— said, no, no, we're not doing this along, please. this move along, please. is tnere— this move along, please. is tnere a— this move along, please. is there a feeling— this move along, please. is there a feeling that abortion is duet— there a feeling that abortion is tuet generattv— there a feeling that abortion is tuet generattv a— there a feeling that abortion is just generally a good thing and tneretore.— just generally a good thing and tneretore. to — just generally a good thing and therefore, to challenge the cntneee — therefore, to challenge the- chinese—abortions chinese eyes on forced abortions vvoutd— chinese eyes on forced abortions voutd te— chinese eyes on forced abortions would be overstepping mark? would be overstepping the mark? i would be overstepping the mark? t do— would be overstepping the mark? t do tntnt— would be overstepping the mark? i do think there— would be overstepping the mark? i do think there is— would be overstepping the mark? i do think there is an element of tnat— i do think there is an element of tnat . — i do think there is an element of tnat . t— i do think there is an element of that. i think— i do think there is an element of that . i think the- i do think there is an element of that . of that. i think the narrative in this country can be so much that abortion is empowering that abortion is an empowering thing something a thing. it's something it's a woman's it's what people thing. it's something it's a woma and, it's what people thing. it's something it's a woma and, you it's what people thing. it's something it's a woma and, you know,|at people thing. it's something it's a woma and, you know, regardless need. and, you know, regardless of whether people agree on that, i think we should all be able to agree being forced into an

agree that being forced into an abortion is a terrible thing. but i think if you've got in your is your mind, abortion is an empowering it's just a empowering thing. it's just a bit uncomfortable that bit uncomfortable to think that it's actually being used as a tool rights abuse it tool of human rights abuse as it is china. that's the is in china. and that's the fundamental point, that this is in china. and that's the flhuman�*ital point, that this is in china. and that's the flhuman rightstint, that this is in china. and that's the fl human rights abuse at this is in china. and that's the flhuman rights abuse inthis is in china. and that's the flhuman rights abuse in china a human rights abuse in china that very well documented. that is very well documented. but unfortunately it is being funded— but unfortunately it is being funded taxpayers . funded by british taxpayers. team— funded by british taxpayers. vean. exactly-— funded by british taxpayers. yeah, exactly. so— funded by british taxpayers. yeah, exactly. so nothing we're saying new. you saying here is really new. you know, pulled from know, i've pulled stuff from the independent for aid independent commission for aid impact just from stuff that's already been out there. it's not new. we're just kind of pulling these sources together from the uyghur tribunal as well. so it's just about bringing just really about bringing bringing together just really about bringing brin bringing together just really about bringing brin bringing it together just really about bringing brin bringing it to together just really about bringing brin bringing it to light. well, and bringing it to light. well, thank you very much,- a�*t: g g c 3 well, thank you very much, alisa. we aeted— thank you very much, alisa. we aeted tne— thank you very much, alisa. we asked the chinese— thank you very much, alisa. we asked the chinese embassy for comment-not— asked the chinese embassy for comment, not surprisingly , comment, but not surprisingly, we comment, but not surprisingly, ve maven-t— comment, but not surprisingly, we haven't heard— comment, but not surprisingly, we haven't heard coming up we haven't heard back coming up after— we haven't heard back coming up after tne— we haven't heard back coming up after the intermission, i will revet— after the intermission, i will evet tne— after the intermission, i will reveal the temporary measure tnat— reveal the temporary measure that gladstone— reveal the temporary measure that gladstone promised to atonem— that gladstone promised to atotten-te— that gladstone promised to abolish.-is a- that gladstone promised to abolish. is a particularly abolish. that is a particularly eteattnv.— abolish. that is a particularly stealthy, - crawly - abolish. that is a particularly stealthy, crawly type of stealthy, creepy crawly type of tax:— stealthy, creepy crawly type of tax. vntcn— stealthy, creepy crawly type of tax. vntcn te— stealthy, creepy crawly type of tax, which is increasingly nttttng— tax, which is increasingly hitting middle earners. and don-t— hitting middle earners. and dont forget— hitting middle earners. and dont torget .— hitting middle earners. and don't forget , the great british don't forget, the great british peopte— don't forget, the great british peopte nave— don't forget, the great british people have struck back against the people have struck back against tne—tot— people have struck back against tne—tot nog- people have struck back againsti the—rob dog petrol the big business. rob dog petrol etattone— the big business. rob dog petrol etattone. ene— the big business. rob dog petrol stations. one of— the big business. rob dog petrol stations. one of those heroes is

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news, britain's news. channel welcome back. i'm jacob teee—nogg— welcome back. i'm jacob rees—mogg and- i i i'm jacob rees—mogg and you've been getttng— rees—mogg and you've been getttng tn— rees—mogg and you've been getting in touch— rees—mogg and you've been getting in touch with your tnougnte— getting in touch with your tnougnte .— getting in touch with your thoughts . june says jacob, thank thoughts. june says jacob, thank you thoughts. june says jacob, thank vou tor— thoughts. june says jacob, thank vou tor petng— thoughts. june says jacob, thank you for being honest. wish there were more like— you for being honest. wish there were more like you. i've lost tattn— were more like you. i've lost tattn vttn— were more like you. i've lost faith with the _ were more like you. i've lost faith with the majority of conservative _ faith with the majority of conservative mps. well, i i conservative mps. well, i hope i tneptre— conservative mps. well, i hope i tneptre vou— conservative mps. well, i hope i can inspire you more faith can inspire you with more faith . semen.— can inspire you with more faith . stephen. stephen, thank so . stephen. stephen, thank you so mucn— . stephen. stephen, thank you so mucn .— . stephen. stephen, thank you so mucn . wnat— . stephen. stephen, thank you so much . what wonderful man you much. what a wonderful man you are—tne— much. what a wonderful man you are—tne rtgnt- much. what a wonderful man you are—the right of. are standing up for the right of the are standing up for the right of me momn— are standing up for the right of the unborn child.— are standing up for the right of the unborn child. god bless you and— the unborn child. god bless you and-stevan-e- the unborn child. god bless you and-stewart's spot- the unborn child. god bless you and stewart's spot on and stewart. stewart's spot on cntna— and stewart. stewart's spot on china-nothing— and stewart. stewart's spot on china . nothing to _ and stewart. stewart's spot on china nothing to with china is nothing to do with us. why— china is nothing to do with us. wnv—our- china is nothing to do with us. wnv—our tav- china is nothing to do with us.- why_our tax money why is millions of our tax money getttng— why is millions of our tax money getttng eent— why is millions of our tax money getting sent there _ why is millions of our tax money getting sent there now , i know getting sent there now, i know my trttttant— getting sent there now, i know my brilliant viewers and ttetenere— my brilliant viewers and listeners, including neil, have atreadv— listeners, including neil, have already figured— listeners, including neil, have already figured out the riddle. but already figured out the riddle. nut tor— already figured out the riddle. nut tor anv— already figured out the riddle. nut tor anv ot— already figured out the riddle. but for any of you who have just eecaped— but for any of you who have just eecaped tne— but for any of you who have just escaped the - gulag - but for any of you who have just escaped the gulag , the escaped the bbc gulag, the answer to riddle it was answer to the riddle it was tntroduced— answer to the riddle it was introduced as— answer to the riddle it was introduced as a— answer to the riddle it was introduced as a temporary measure during napoleonic measure during the napoleonic vvare— measure during the napoleonic wars-regrettably- wars and has regrettably pereteted— wars and has regrettably persisted almost ever since it repeated. — persisted almost ever since it was repealed. then brought back and men— was repealed. then brought back and then gladstone kept on eavtng— and then gladstone kept on eavtng ne— and then gladstone kept on eavtng ne-to- and then gladstone kept on saying he to get rid of saying he wanted to get rid of

it_ultimately- saying he wanted to get rid of it ultimately manage it and didn't ultimately manage . it it and didn't ultimately manage . tt te— it and didn't ultimately manage . tt te tne— it and didn't ultimately manage . it is the least— it and didn't ultimately manage . it is the least favourite of tne— . it is the least favourite of me two— . it is the least favourite of the two inevitabilities of life trom— the two inevitabilities of life from my— the two inevitabilities of life from my potnt— the two inevitabilities of life from my point of view it is tax, tut— from my point of view it is tax, but particularly— from my point of view it is tax, but particularly income tax . and but particularly income tax. and accordtng— but particularly income tax. and accordtng to— but particularly income tax. and according to the— but particularly income tax. and according to the institute for ttecat— according to the institute for treat-.— according to the institute for ttecat-. te— according to the institute for fiscal-, is the- fiscal studies, is the government's to fiscal studies, is the- government's-to freeze government's policy to freeze tax thresholds _ government's policy to freeze tax thresholds the next six tax thresholds for the next six veare— tax thresholds for the next six veare-to — tax thresholds for the next six veare-to eee— tax thresholds for the next six veare-to t- tax thresholds for the next six years-to see 1 in- tax thresholds for the next six years-to see 1 in 5- years is set to see 1 in 5 peopte— years is set to see 1 in 5 peopte enter— years is set to see 1 in 5 people enter the 40% tax bracket tnat— people enter the 40% tax bracket tnat te— people enter the 40% tax bracket tnat te vvnat— people enter the 40% tax bracket that is what is— people enter the 40% tax bracket that is what is known as fiscal drag— that is what is known as fiscal drag .— that is what is known as fiscal drag . mat-e— that is what is known as fiscal drag . that's because wages will drag. that's because wages will increase over time— drag. that's because wages will increase over time with tnttatton— increase over time with inflation. but- increase over time with inflation. but the tax brackets tne— inflation. but the tax brackets remain the same.— inflation. but the tax brackets remain the same. so people move tnto— remain the same. so people move tnto tne— remain the same. so people move tnto me next— remain the same. so people move into the next bracket— remain the same. so people move into the next bracket whilst tnetr— into the next bracket whilst tnetr monev— into the next bracket whilst their money could be less in reat— their money could be less in read terme— their money could be less in read terme .— their money could be less in real terms . let— their money could be less in real terms . let me explain this. real terms. let me explain this. if real terms. let me explain this. tt vou— real terms. let me explain this. tt vou eam— real terms. let me explain this. if you earn £50,000 now, you pay the if you earn £50,000 now, you pay me net-zo— if you earn £50,000 now, you pay me me rate. — if you earn £50,000 now, you pay the £0.20 rate. if— if you earn £50,000 now, you pay the £0.20 rate. if there's £0.10 poo.— the £0.20 rate. if there's £0.10 10% inflation,— the £0.20 rate. if there's £0.10 10% inflation, that— the £0.20 rate. if there's £0.10 10% inflation, that should go to speed— 10% inflation, that should go to snooo to— 10% inflation, that should go to 55,000 to remain— 10% inflation, that should go to 55,000 to remain even, you vvoutdn-t— 55,000 to remain even, you voutdn-t te— 55,000 to remain even, you wouldn't be any— 55,000 to remain even, you wouldn't be any better or worse on. — wouldn't be any better or worse on. nut— wouldn't be any better or worse on. but rt— wouldn't be any better or worse on. but tt on— wouldn't be any better or worse off. but if on that— wouldn't be any better or worse off. but if on that last 5000, your— off. but if on that last 5000, your tax— off. but if on that last 5000, your tax rate— off. but if on that last 5000, your tax rate goes up from 20% to loo.— your tax rate goes up from 20% to none and— your tax rate goes up from 20% to none and vou— your tax rate goes up from 20% to 40% and you only get £3,000 tnetead— to 40% and you only get £3,000 tnetead ot— to 40% and you only get £3,000 instead of £4,000,— to 40% and you only get £3,000 instead of £4,000, therefore you are instead of £4,000, therefore you enooo— instead of £4,000, therefore you are £1,000 worse— instead of £4,000, therefore you are £1,000 worse off in real terme— are £1,000 worse off in real terme .— are £1,000 worse off in real terme . tt-e— are £1,000 worse off in real terme. me a— are £1,000 worse off in real terms . it's a stealth tax. it terms. it's a stealth tax. it

may— terms. it's a stealth tax. it may preeent— terms. it's a stealth tax. it may present itself as a freeze, tut— may present itself as a freeze, put me— may present itself as a freeze, put me an— may present itself as a freeze, but it's an increase. and this bracket— but it's an increase. and this tractet vae— but it's an increase. and this bracket was intended for vveattnter— bracket was intended for wealthier people . but now it wealthier people. but now it vttt— wealthier people. but now it vttt mt— wealthier people. but now it will hit teachers— wealthier people. but now it will hit teachers and nurses who nave— will hit teachers and nurses who nave tecome— will hit teachers and nurses who have become dragged into this, nence— have become dragged into this, nence ttecat— have become dragged into this, hence fiscal drag— have become dragged into this, hence fiscal drag .— have become dragged into this, hence fiscal drag . but in a time hence fiscal drag. but in a time of a— hence fiscal drag. but in a time of a coet— hence fiscal drag. but in a time of a coet ot— hence fiscal drag. but in a time of a cost of living— hence fiscal drag. but in a time of a cost of living crisis, euretv— of a cost of living crisis, surely what— of a cost of living crisis, surely what the british public need— surely what the british public need and— surely what the british public need and what— surely what the british public need and what was promised in the need and what was promised in me ton— need and what was promised in me torv rartv— need and what was promised in the tory party manifesto is that tnoee— the tory party manifesto is that tnoee on— the tory party manifesto is that those on lower— the tory party manifesto is that those on lower incomes or middle need— those on lower incomes or middle incomes need more— those on lower incomes or middle incomes need more of their own monev — incomes need more of their own moev nonev— incomes need more of their own money. money better spent money. money is better spent vnen— money. money is better spent vvnen tt-e— money. money is better spent vvnen tt-e tn— money. money is better spent when it's in the— money. money is better spent when it's in the hands of those vno— when it's in the hands of those vvno earnt— when it's in the hands of those vvno earnt rt.— when it's in the hands of those who earnt it, not— when it's in the hands of those who earnt it, not by the government. _ who earnt it, not by the government. but still with me is my eeteemed— government. but still with me is my esteemed panel, toby young of the my esteemed panel, toby young of me tree— my esteemed panel, toby young of me tree speecn— my esteemed panel, toby young of the free speech union and the former— the free speech union and the former labour— the free speech union and the former labour councillor, kevin cratg— former labour councillor, kevin cratg .— former labour councillor, kevin cratg . don.— former labour councillor, kevin craig . now, kevin,— former labour councillor, kevin craig . now, kevin, a former craig. now, kevin, a former tatour— craig. now, kevin, a former labour chancellor, said he wanted— labour chancellor, said he wanted to— labour chancellor, said he wanted to squeeze the rich until the wanted to squeeze the rich until tne ntpe— wanted to squeeze the rich until the pips squeaked. he didn't reattv— the pips squeaked. he didn't really-squeeze- the pips squeaked. he didn't really squeeze middle really want to squeeze middle earners—he ? - really want to squeeze middlei earners—he ? glad really want to squeeze middle- earners_he ? glad to earners though, did he? glad to see earners though, did he? glad to mat— earners though, did he? glad to tnat vvore— earners though, did he? glad to see that we're keeping up to date by quoting denis healey from the 19. well, i'm glad you tnou— from the 19. well, i'm glad you tnovv vvno— from the 19. well, i'm glad you tnovv vvno t-m— from the 19. well, i'm glad you know who i'm talking- “9 well, i'm glad you know who i'm talking about. i do like know who i'm talking about. i do tttelttt— know who i'm talking about. i do tttelttt ot— know who i'm talking about. i do likelbit of current— know who i'm talking about. i do like bit of current affairs. like a bit of current affairs. deten— like a bit of current affairs. ttetenlt— like a bit of current affairs. listen,.| can— like a bit of current affairs. listen,.| can say- like a bit of current affairs. listen, i can say so, your listen, if i can say so, your party,— listen, if i can say so, your panv. vour— listen, if i can say so, your party, your government has

overseen some— party, your government has overseen some really quite cnattengtng— overseen some really quite challenging facts linked to income and— challenging facts linked to income and tax, which are as enocttng— income and tax, which are as enocttng and— income and tax, which are as shocking and as— income and tax, which are as shocking and as worrying as the ttecat— shocking and as worrying as the ttecat drag— shocking and as worrying as the fiscal drag you've— shocking and as worrying as the fiscal drag you've identified. unv— fiscal drag you've identified. now r— fiscal drag you've identified. uov . vou— fiscal drag you've identified. now , you know,— fiscal drag you've identified. now , you know, there- fiscal drag you've identified. now, you know, there we today have a country where there is a tax loophole for non—doms , tax loophole for non—doms, right? people who register to due— right? people who register to ttve mere— right? people who register to live here and— right? people who register to live here and pay— i 37 people who register to live here and pay their taxes abroad.— live here and pay their taxes atroad. tt— live here and pay their taxes abroad, £1 billion and labour vant— abroad, £1 billion and labour vant to— abroad, £1 billion and labour vant to eon— abroad, £1 billion and labour want to sort that— abroad, £1 billion and labour want to sort that out and put tne— want to sort that out and put me money— want to sort that out and put the money into— want to sort that out and put the money into the nhs and ecnoote.— the money into the nhs and schools. labour— the money into the nhs and schools. labour spent that about 15 schools. labour spent that about ts ttmee. — schools. labour spent that about ts ttmee. t— schools. labour spent that about 15 times. i mean,— schools. labour spent that about 15 times. i mean, this is like tne— 15 times. i mean, this is like me up— 15 times. i mean, this is like the lib dems_ 15 times. i mean, this is like the lib dems one- 15 times. i mean, this is like the lib dems one p on income tax tnat-e— the lib dems one p on income tax due donn— the lib dems one p on income tax that's down the— the lib dems one p on income tax that's down the pub— the lib dems one p on income tax that's down the pub banter from you that's down the pub banter from vou unen— that's down the pub banter from vou vvnen voure— that's down the pub banter from you when you're faced with economic reality. the other tntng— economic reality. the other tntng te— economic reality. the other tntng te vour— economic reality. the other thing is your recent pension reormet— thing is your recent pension reorrnet tn— thing is your recent pension reforms in government. the peopte— reforms in government. the reason people lose faith with conservative _ reason people lose faith with conservative mps is you prtortttee— conservative mps is you prioritise when you reform penon — prioritise when you reform pensions. those of us, all of everybody— pensions. those of us, all of everybody here— pensions. those of us, all of everybody here today actually is

tntn— everybody here today actually is me te— everybody here today actually is rude to your— everybody here today actually is this is your record— everybody here today actually is this is your record .— everybody here today actually is this is your record. you're in it. you're bonded together. you are the guys and ladies. i'm not sure rishi would think we were bonded quite that closely, but i'd bonded quite that closely, but pd bnng bonded quite that closely, but i'd bring toby in. i'd better bring bring toby in. it's because it seems to it's a mess because it seems to me that in real terms, the governments can maintain thresholds without losing money relative to gdp. so it is a genuine tax pinch rather than something that is essential to balance the books . yes, i mean, balance the books. yes, i mean, it's it balance the books. yes, i mean, tt-e tt teete— balance the books. yes, i mean, it's it feels like— balance the books. yes, i mean, it's it feels like a— balance the books. yes, i mean, it's it feels like a stealth- i yes, i mean, it's it feels like a stealth tax ratd— it's it feels like a stealth tax raid because _ it's it feels like a stealth tax raid because they need or they tntnt— raid because they need or they tntnt tnev— raid because they need or they think they need— raid because they need or they think they need to raise tttttone— think they need to raise billions more- think they need to raise billions more pounds every year and— billions more pounds every year and accordtng— billions more pounds every year and according to— billions more pounds every year and according to the institute for and according to the institute tor ttecat— and according to the institute for fiscal studies, this will tne— for fiscal studies, this will mean the fact— for fiscal studies, this will mean the fact that the thresholds— mean the fact that the thresholds at which you start paying— thresholds at which you start pavtng tne— thresholds at which you start paying the higher rate have been from— paying the higher rate have been frozen now until— paying the higher rate have been frozen now until 2028 will mean tnat— frozen now until 2028 will mean tnat tne— frozen now until 2028 will mean that the government brings in an addtttonat— that the government brings in an additional £26— that the government brings in an additional £26 billion per year. so additional £26 billion per year. so me— additional £26 billion per year. so it's actually— additional £26 billion per year. so it's actually a— additional £26 billion per year. so it's actually a bigger tax nee— so it's actually a bigger tax rise effectively— so it's actually a bigger tax rise effectively than increasing corporatton— rise effectively than increasing corporation tax— rise effectively than increasing corporation tax to— rise effectively than increasing corporation tax to 25. it's the

ptggeet— corporation tax to 25. it's the ptggeet tav— corporation tax to 25. it's the biggest tax rise— corporation tax to 25. it's the biggest tax rise since geoffrey nove— biggest tax rise since geoffrey howe increased— biggest tax rise since geoffrey howe increased vat to 15. it's evtraordtnarv— howe increased vat to 15. it's extraordinary that— extraordinary that a conservative government is engagtng— conservative government is engagtng tn— conservative government is engagtng tn a— conservative government is engaging in a policy i would often— engaging in a policy i would more often associate with your partv- — more often associate with your panv. ae— more often associate with your panv. ae tor— more often associate with your panv. ae tor ae— more often associate with your panv. ae tor pv— more often associate with your party. as for as, by the way, as for party. as for as, by the way, as tor ae— party. as for as, by the way, as tor ae tor— party. as for as, by the way, as for as for raising— party. as for as, by the way, as for as for raising money from tne— for as for raising money from me magtc— for as for raising money from the magic money— for as for raising money from the magic money tree of non—doms. hang on a second. if vou— non—doms. hang on a second. if vou tt— non—doms. hang on a second. if vou tt vou— non—doms. hang on a second. if vou tt vou tt— non—doms. hang on a second. if vou tt vou tt vou— non—doms. hang on a second. if you if you if you abolish non—dom— you if you if you abolish non—dom status, all the people currenttv— non—dom status, all the people currenttv pavtng— non—dom status, all the people currently paying some £30,000 a year— currently paying some £30,000 a vear tn— currently paying some £30,000 a year tn order— currently paying some £30,000 a year tn order to— currently paying some £30,000 a year in order to enjoy non—doms etatue— year in order to enjoy non—doms etatue vttt— year in order to enjoy non—doms status will just— year in order to enjoy non—doms status will just disappear to monaco— status will just disappear to monaco and— status will just disappear to monaco and other more tax trtendtv— monaco and other more tax friendly regimes. you're not going— friendly regimes. you're not gotng to— friendly regimes. you're not gotng to raee— friendly regimes. you're not going to raise any more money trom— going to raise any more money from tnoee— going to raise any more money from those people. c from those people. i think it's a point. i think it's open a fair point. i think it's open to debate, toby, because i think this country with of law, this country with rule of law, relatively corruption , is relatively low corruption, is a place that will remain highly desirable wealthy . and desirable to the wealthy. and the fact is, over time, people don't mind paying taxes if they look around and they think the country is in good order , things country is in good order, things are running well and i think that's part of it. you know, there's an argument that our tax rate, our taxes need to be adjusted . so those with the

adjusted. so those with the so—called broadest shoulders pay more. yes the poor are the middle earners in this category, those with the broadest shoulders, because i'm not sure they are their mortgage has gone up. all the goods they buy have gone— up. all the goods they buy have gone up.— up. all the goods they buy have gone up. tnev-re— c. all the goods they buy have gone up. they're really friendlies.— gone up. they're really friendlies. nothing gone up. they're really friendlies-nothing do friendlies. trust nothing to do vttn— friendlies. trust nothing to do vvttn mongagee.— friendlies. trust nothing to do with mortgages, absolutely notntng— nothing to do with that roctettng — nothing to do with that rocketing their interest rocketing up their interest ratee— rocketing up their interest rates through— rocketing up their interest rates through roof. interest rates through the roof. interest ratee—tn rates have gone up by more in tne— rates have gone up by more in me untted— rates have gone up by more in the united states. _ rates have gone up by more in the united states. and you cannot— the united states. and you cannot-tne— the united states. and you cannot the united states cannot say the united states conomv— cannot say the united states economy determined by liz economy was determined by liz truee— economy was determined by liz trues-ene— economy was determined by liz trues-ene nae— economy was determined by liz truss, she was prime truss, though she was prime tttnteter— truss, though she was prime minister.-think- truss, though she was prime minister. think she did minister. did you think she did a.j�*ob— minister. did you think she did a-tot vvttn— minister. did you think she did a job with completely a good job with that? completely eeparate. — a good job with that? completely separate. mortgage on separate. it's a mortgage tax on .tnou— separate. it's a mortgage tax on us. .know,.truss,- separate. it's a mortgage tax on us. .know,.truss, whatl us. you know, liz truss, what she it's completely she did, it's completely relevant interest rates relevant to where interest rates are now. it had no effect. money nad— are now. it had no effect. money nad no— are now. it had no effect. money nad no ettect— are now. it had no effect. money had no effect on— are now. it had no effect. money had no effect on what— 311i; it had no effect. money had no effect on what the bank of had no effect on what the bank ot-nae— had no effect on what the bank ot-nae done— had no effect on what the bank of-has done with- of england has done with tntereet— of england has done with interest-the- of england has done with. interest-the market interest rates. the market turmoil coincided the turmoil coincided with the announcement of the mini—budget. the cause the the mini—budget didn't cause the market turmoil. i think the bank of role in of england had a bigger role in that and our interest rates that than and our interest rates have gone less than the have gone up by less than the united states. obe true. united states. obe it's true. but to your point, jacob, it but but to your point, jacob, it isn't those the broadest isn't those with the broadest shoulders are going to be shoulders that are going to be shouldering particular shouldering this particular burden. facts that burden. one of the facts that the institute fiscal studies

the institute for fiscal studies came with that police came up with is that police officers , something like 25% of officers, something like 25% of police officers in 1993 were paying police officers in 1993 were paying the top rate of paying the 40, rate it by 2027, it will be something like 37. i mean, extraordinary teachers to even some nurses are going to be pulled into the higher tax bracket. so that's very fair. rac that is the worry we need to be rac that is the worry we need to te dotng— rac that is the worry we need to te dotng te— rac that is the worry we need to be doing is less— rac that is the worry we need to be doing is less that if the government— be doing is less that if the government goes on spending 47% of government goes on spending 47% ot enn— government goes on spending 47% ot eon tavee— government goes on spending 47% of gdp, taxes will— government goes on spending 47% of gdp, taxes will inevitably be ntgn. — of gdp, taxes will inevitably be ntgn. vvnoever— of gdp, taxes will inevitably be high. whoever is— of gdp, taxes will inevitably be high. whoever is in government, if high. whoever is in government, tt vve— high. whoever is in government, t we get— high. whoever is in government, if we get taxation— high. whoever is in government, if we get taxation down and edu— if we get taxation down and edu tne— if we get taxation down and reduce the burden on middle income earners— reduce the burden on middle income earners ,_ reduce the burden on middle income earners , then we need to income earners, then we need to be income earners, then we need to te dotng— income earners, then we need to te dotng teee.— income earners, then we need to be doing less. that's the key. do be doing less. that's the key. to vou— be doing less. that's the key. to vou tntnt— be doing less. that's the key. do you think do— be doing less. that's the key. do you think do you think do you tntnt— do you think do you think do you tntnt vour— do you think do you think do you tntnt vour pano— do you think do you think do you think your party has managed our ttnancee— think your party has managed our ttnancee tn— think your party has managed our ttnancee tn a— think your party has managed our finances in a very— think your party has managed our finances in a very responsible wav— finances in a very responsible vvav tn— finances in a very responsible vvav tn tne— finances in a very responsible way in the last— finances in a very responsible way in the last 13— finances in a very responsible way in the last 13 years? well, we dtd— way in the last 13 years? well, we dtd a— way in the last 13 years? well, we dtd a tot— way in the last 13 years? well, we did a lot better than gordon drown— we did a lot better than gordon brown dtd— we did a lot better than gordon brown dtd tn— we did a lot better than gordon brown did in his— we did a lot better than gordon brown did in his last few years vnen— brown did in his last few years vvnen vvnat— brown did in his last few years when what was— brown did in his last few years when what was the note left by your— when what was the note left by your your— when what was the note left by your your friend,— when what was the note left by your your friend, the chief eecretarv— your your friend, the chief secretary treasury? there's secretary of treasury? there's no— to. - no money left. no, no, liam, forget— no money left. no, no, liam, forget-nvrne-e- no money left. no, no, liam,. forget-byrne's-quite forget liam byrne's note. quite tmponant— forget liam byrne's note. quite important because it was many a true— important because it was many a true word— important because it was many a true word spoken— important because it was many a true word spoken in— important because it was many a true word spoken in a job.

jacob— true word spoken in a job. jacob gordon— true word spoken in a job. jacob gordon brown- true word spoken in a job. jacob gordon brown and alistair darling stopped this country from financial meltdown . right. from financial meltdown. right. we disagree on that. okay. but there people actually, there are many people actually, i alistair darling i think alistair darling was a remarkably good chancellor. i think some really think he took some really tmponant— think he took some really. tmponant—ne important decisions, but he was mattng— important decisions, but he was making decisions— important decisions, but he was making decisions to rectify errors made— making decisions to rectify errors made by— making decisions to rectify errors made by gordon brown as cnancettor. — errors made by gordon brown as chancellor. that— errors made by gordon brown as chancellor. that left us with £1 in chancellor. that left us with £1 tn every— chancellor. that left us with £1 tn everv tour— chancellor. that left us with £1 in every four that— chancellor. that left us with £1 in every four that was being torrovved— in every four that was being torrovved . — in every four that was being borrowed . well,- in every four that was being borrowed . lattice t: in every four that was being borrowed. lattice t: c borrowed. well, look, i'd like to hear you defend send more. the last 13 years and how you spent money during covid because tonight we've all had this discussion about tax. and toby, i do agree with you. it is not good the country that these good for the country that these professions, police officers, teachers, up teachers, you know, are going up into bracket . that's into that tax bracket. that's nobody that. toby final nobody wants that. toby final word. the problem we have , word. the problem we have, racon— word. the problem we have, jacobv te— word. the problem we have, jacob, is that— word. the problem we have, jacob, is that we— : the problem we have, jacob, is that we have a balloon tne— jacob, is that we have a balloon tue vvettare— jacob, is that we have a balloon ing welfare bill,— jacob, is that we have a balloon ing welfare bill, partly because so ing welfare bill, partly because eo manv— ing welfare bill, partly because eo manv peopte— ing welfare bill, partly because so many people are unwilling to go tact— so many people are unwilling to go pact to— so many people are unwilling to go back to work.— so many people are unwilling to go back to work. so 50% of the vorttng — go back to work. so 50% of the vorttng age— go back to work. so 50% of the working age population in ntactpoot— working age population in blackpool are— working age population in blackpool are unemployed, retuetng— blackpool are unemployed, retuetng to — blackpool are unemployed, refusing to work. do you think tnev-re— refusing to work. do you think tnev-re lazy?— refusing to work. do you think they're lazy? is— refusing to work. do you think they're lazy? is that what? is tnat— they're lazy? is that what? is tnat unat— they're lazy? is that what? is tnat vnat tt— they're lazy? is that what? is that what it is?— they're lazy? is that what? is that what it is? lazy. i think tnev-re— that what it is? lazy. i think tnev-re not— that what it is? lazy. i think they're not in.— that what it is? lazy. i think they're not in. fortunately defore— they're not in. fortunately tetore vve— they're not in. fortunately before we get— they're not in. fortunately before we get into that lowe

verv— before we get into that lowe very tendentious_ before we get into that lowe very tendentious matter. thank you to— very tendentious matter. thank you to m,— very tendentious matter. thank you to my pared.— very tendentious matter. thank you to my panel. coming at you to my panel. coming up at the you've all been the moment, you've all been waiting is waiting waiting for, david is waiting in the wings. his catapult the wings. he's got his catapult ready with the stone in it or he's going to show the he's going to show us the catapult slain catapult he used having slain goliath goliath in this instance, being tesco and other exorbitant stations. exorbitant petrol stations. that's your way after that's coming your way after these messages from our sponsors

yesterday, we triumphantly reported on two of the greatest britons that there are on offer. one of whom mr dave roberts , a one of whom mr dave roberts, a local petrol station owner in shropshire , took a very english shropshire, took a very english stand against the exorbitant and mighty super market giants, undercutting their diesel prices by roughly £1 per gallon. it then subsequently emerged that then subsequently emerged that the competition watchdog, which clearly had been listening, the cma, is going to investigate

late petrol retailers for unnecessarily high prices for petrol and diesel . well, now petrol and diesel. well, now this is the free market, doing what it does best. the big robber barons artificially inflate prices, but then local heroes like dave, and it is so appropriate that he's called david step in, seize the opportunity and provide reasonably priced fuel for the great people of places like shropshire . and before you know shropshire. and before you know it, queues build up and the robber barons at places such as tesco's are forced to follow suit . well, absolutely delighted suit. well, absolutely delighted to say that dave roberts, the owner of the petrol station and one of his members of staff, finance director mr ricky ullman, joins me now all the way from shropshire . well, thank you from shropshire. well, thank you very much indeed forjoining me , dave . what made you do this? , dave. what made you do this? hasn't it actually cost you money by cutting prices . no. money by cutting prices. no. well, we haven't just .i... no. well, we haven't just done i..... no. well, we haven't just done this. vveve— well, we haven't just done this. vve-ve teen— well, we haven't just done this. we've been like— well, we haven't just done this. we've been like this for prompt—

we've been like this for probably two- we've been like this for probably two years or whatever , probably two years or whatever, at teaet— probably two years or whatever, at teaet dz— probably two years or whatever, at least 12 months. but you mow.— at least 12 months. but you know. tt-e— at least 12 months. but you know, it's what— at least 12 months. but you know, it's what we do and we gave— know, it's what we do and we gave tne— know, it's what we do and we gave the local— know, it's what we do and we gave the local people the benefit— gave the local people the tenettt ot— gave the local people the benefit of it— gave the local people the benefit of it as- gave the local people the benefit of it as well . you know, benefit of it as well. you know, attnougn— benefit of it as well. you know, attnougn tt— benefit of it as well. you know, although it does— benefit of it as well. you know, although it does create a bit of although it does create a bit of a queue— although it does create a bit of a queue on tne— although it does create a bit of a queue on the on— although it does create a bit of a queue on the on the road when tnev— a queue on the on the road when tnev comtng— a queue on the on the road when tnev comtng tn— a queue on the on the road when they coming in, you— a queue on the on the road when they coming in, you know, we nave— they coming in, you know, we nave aeted— they coming in, you know, we have asked the— they coming in, you know, we have asked the council to come and— have asked the council to come and nave— have asked the council to come and nave a— have asked the council to come and have a look— have asked the council to come and have a look at— have asked the council to come and have a look at the situation.— and have a look at the situation. our- and have a look at the situation. our local council, tut— situation. our local council, tut tnat— situation. our local council, but that was— situation. our local council, but that was like ten months ago and tnev-ve— but that was like ten months ago and tnev-ve not— but that was like ten months ago and they've not been near so it duet— and they've not been near so it tuet cantee— and they've not been near so it just carries on. _ and they've not been near so it just carries on. but— and they've not been near so it just carries on. but now they got— just carries on. but now they got ueed— just carries on. but now they got ueed to— just carries on. but now they got used to the— just carries on. but now they got used to the idea then that vvoutd— got used to the idea then that voutd come— got used to the idea then that would come in— got used to the idea then that would come in during the day . would come in during the day. they— would come in during the day. tnev come— would come in during the day. tnev tn— would come in during the day. they come in later on in the day unen— they come in later on in the day vvnen tne— they come in later on in the day when the queues— they come in later on in the day when the queues not so much and tnev-ve— when the queues not so much and tnev-ve worked— when the queues not so much and they've worked around the big gueuee— they've worked around the big gueuee vou— they've worked around the big queues, you know, but that's tt-e— queues, you know, but that's it's absolutely— queues, you know, but that's it's absolutely brilliant. so vou-re— it's absolutely brilliant. so you're actually— it's absolutely brilliant. so you're actually making up your margin by simply selling more volume. so i was worried, ricky, that you might be a bit put out

as finance director that profits were going down, but by selling greater the greater volume, you keep the profits up . yeah, exactly. we've profits up. yeah, exactly. we've atvvave— profits up. yeah, exactly. we've atvave nad— profits up. yeah, exactly. we've always had the— profits up. yeah, exactly. we've always had the policy- .. yeah, exactly. we've always had the policy that we'd ratner— always had the policy that we'd ratner eett— always had the policy that we'd rather sell high— always had the policy that we'd rather sell high volumes and mate— rather sell high volumes and mate a— rather sell high volumes and make a small— rather sell high volumes and make a small margin and that's vnat— make a small margin and that's vnat ve— make a small margin and that's vnat we do.— make a small margin and that's what we do. and— make a small margin and that's what we do. and we if anything, we mate— what we do. and we if anything, we make more money for the more cuetornere tnat— we make more money for the more customers that are— we make more money for the more customers that are coming tnougn— customers that are coming tnrougn tne— customers that are coming through the door. the customers are-because they're - are happy because they're getttng— are happy because they're. getting—compared getting cheap fuel compared to a lot getting cheap fuel compared to a totlotner— getting cheap fuel compared to a lot-other places— getting cheap fuel compared to a lot other places that are lot of other places that are antttctattv— lot of other places that are artificially -their. artificially keeping their prtcee— artificially keeping their prtcee-and- artificially keeping their prices t: t artificially keeping their- prices-and dave, people prices high. and dave, people tended to think that the independents were more expensive than the supermarkets, that they had the buying power and so on and so forth. you've managed to prove that this isn't true and that actually going to independence better independence gets you better value money. yeah, well , you value for money. yeah, well, you know, we do make things a little bit better for ourselves . we bit better for ourselves. we transport the fuel . we transport the fuel ourselves, we tetcn— transport the fuel ourselves, we tetcn tt— transport the fuel ourselves, we tetcn tt trom — transport the fuel ourselves, we fetch it from stan— transport the fuel ourselves, we fetch it from stan lowe whenever we want— fetch it from stan lowe whenever we want tt— fetch it from stan lowe whenever we want t. vve— fetch it from stan lowe whenever we want it. we fetch it at and we want it. we fetch it at and we dtd— we want it. we fetch it at and we dtd a— we want it. we fetch it at and we dtd a deat— we want it. we fetch it at and we did a deal with essar, but tt-e— we did a deal with essar, but me notntng— we did a deal with essar, but it's nothing like— we did a deal with essar, but it's nothing like the difference

of it's nothing like the difference ot vnat— it's nothing like the difference ot vnat tne— it's nothing like the difference of what the people are charging and vnat— of what the people are charging and vnat vve— of what the people are charging and what we sell— of what the people are charging and what we sell it for, you move— and what we sell it for, you move nut— and what we sell it for, you know? but what's important is tnat— know? but what's important is tnat vouve— know? but what's important is that you've shown that the supermarkets _ that you've shown that the supermarkets are running a racket— supermarkets are running a racket because _ supermarkets are running a racket because if one individual do— racket because if one individual do tt— racket because if one individual do tt an— racket because if one individual can do it an individual firm can do tt— can do it an individual firm can do tt and— can do it an individual firm can do tt and can— can do it an individual firm can do it and can bring— can do it an individual firm can do it and can bring prices down by a— do it and can bring prices down to a pound— do it and can bring prices down to a pound a— do it and can bring prices down by a pound a gallon for diesel . by a pound a gallon for diesel. and— by a pound a gallon for diesel. and men— by a pound a gallon for diesel. and then tne— by a pound a gallon for diesel. and then the supermarkets- by a pound a gallon for diesel. and then the supermarkets are taking all the rest of us for fools, aren't they ? absolutely fools, aren't they? absolutely you know. yeah yeah, yeah. we cnarge— you know. yeah yeah, yeah. we can charge what— you know. yeah yeah, yeah. we can charge what we want for the med— can charge what we want for the tuet .— can charge what we want for the tuet . ae— can charge what we want for the tuet . ae vou— can charge what we want for the fuel, as you know. _ can charge what we want for the fuel, as you know. but i've atvvave— fuel, as you know. but i've atvave trted— fuel, as you know. but i've always tried to _ fuel, as you know. but i've always tried to look after customers really , and give them customers really, and give them good— customers really, and give them good eervtce— customers really, and give them good eervtce .— customers really, and give them good service . we— customers really, and give them good service . we put extra staff good service. we put extra staff on to— good service. we put extra staff on to keep— good service. we put extra staff on to keep tne— good service. we put extra staff on to keep the flow going on the till on to keep the flow going on the tttt and— on to keep the flow going on the tttt and tt— on to keep the flow going on the till and it works— on to keep the flow going on the till and it works well and i tmagtne— till and it works well and i tmagtne vou— till and it works well and i imagine you have very loyal customers who've been coming to you customers who've been coming to vou tor— customers who've been coming to vou tor veare— customers who've been coming to vou tor veare .— customers who've been coming to vou tor veare . on.— customers who've been coming to you for years . oh, absolutely . you for years. oh, absolutely. vve— you for years. oh, absolutely. vve vveve— you for years. oh, absolutely. vve got— you for years. oh, absolutely. vve got a— you for years. oh, absolutely. we we've got a lot of account customers are local people, you mow.— customers are local people, you know. and— customers are local people, you know. and tnev— customers are local people, you know, and they lapping it up. so nave— know, and they lapping it up. so nave anv—

know, and they lapping it up. so nave anv ot— know, and they lapping it up. so have any of the— know, and they lapping it up. so have any of the supermarkets teen— have any of the supermarkets teen tn— have any of the supermarkets been in touch— have any of the supermarkets been in touch with you? ' itzi; been in touch with you? are they annoyed— been in touch with you? are they annoyed vttn— been in touch with you? are they annoyed with you? has anybody come around and said, can we buy your petrol station because we want of the want to get rid of the competition nothing like competition or nothing like that? you haven't had any pressure? mowlam no , no. pressure? mo mowlam no, no. and tnen— pressure? mo mowlam no, no. and men-got— pressure? mo mowlam no, no. and tnen-got tnto— pressure? mo mowlam no, no. and then-got into the— itzi;7’ mo mowlam no, no. and then got into the papers. then you got into the papers. tne— then you got into the papers. the un— then you got into the papers. the sun carried— then you got into the papers. the sun carried the— then you got into the papers. the sun carried the story- then you got into the papers. the sun carried the story about you yesterday. are you enjoying being the centre of attention and this brought you even and has this brought you even more coping ? more customers? are you coping? um, just about really. i don't tntervtev— um, just about really. i don't interview with— um, just about really. i don't interview with them all, to be noneet— interview with them all, to be noneet .— interview with them all, to be noneet . t— interview with them all, to be honest. i haven't— interview with them all, to be honest . i haven't got a lot of honest. i haven't got a lot of epare— honest. i haven't got a lot of epare ttme— honest. i haven't got a lot of epare ttme .— honest. i haven't got a lot of spare time , but— honest. i haven't got a lot of spare time , but you know , i'm spare time, but you know, i'm tuev— spare time, but you know, i'm tuev toottng— spare time, but you know, i'm busy looking after our customers eon— busy looking after our customers eort ot— busy looking after our customers eort ot tntng— busy looking after our customers sort of thing and— busy looking after our customers sort of thing and you've got enougn— sort of thing and you've got enough staff— sort of thing and you've got enough staff to _ sort of thing and you've got enough staff to take all the money— enough staff to take all the money tnat— enough staff to take all the money that you're getting from customers who— money that you're getting from customers who have now heard about— customers who have now heard about vou— customers who have now heard about vou and— customers who have now heard about you and are— customers who have now heard about you and are probably drtvtng— about you and are probably driving further— about you and are probably driving further and further to to— driving further and further to to your— driving further and further to come to your petrol station. wett— come to your petrol station. war, tnev— come to your petrol station. war, tnev do.— come to your petrol station. well, they do, yeah. yeah yeah. nut— well, they do, yeah. yeah yeah. nut navtng— well, they do, yeah. yeah yeah. but having people— well, they do, yeah. yeah yeah. but having people travel- well, they do, yeah. yeah yeah. but having people travel from 20 miles away because they're saying they're still making a saving the distance they're saving with the distance they're travelling they'd travelling and they'd rather give to money us who have

give the to money us who have got an honest policy of pricing rather the garages near rather than the garages near them that have their prices them that have got their prices so high. absolutely i don't suppose so high. absolutely i don't euppoee vou-re— " g ' .tiil.«t i don't suppose you're thinking of eetttng— suppose you're thinking of eetttng up— suppose you're thinking of eetttng up a— suppose you're thinking of setting up a branch in somerset tnat— setting up a branch in somerset tnat t— setting up a branch in somerset tnat t coutd— setting up a branch in somerset that i could benefit from. we've nad— that i could benefit from. we've mad-regueete— that i could benefit from. we've had-requests for- had a lot of requests for trancnee— had a lot of requests for branches of— had a lot of requests for branches of our our forecourts all branches of our our forecourts att acroee— branches of our our forecourts att tne— branches of our our forecourts all across the uk— branches of our our forecourts all across the uk on our social medta— all across the uk on our social medta pagee. — all across the uk on our social media pages. well- all across the uk on our social media pages. �*tftttz;.. all across the uk on our social media pages. well, i think this is how the free market works, that if a company can make money by charging a lower price than everybody else, then they can expand as they have the expand because as they have the cash flow with which to do it. so it seems to me, ricky is the ttnance— so it seems to me, ricky is the finance director.— so it seems to me, ricky is the finance director. you must reattv— finance director. you must reattv dte— finance director. you must really like this— finance director. you must really like this business model. oh, really like this business model. omlvorte— really like this business model. oh,.w0rks-because- really like this business model. oh,.w0rks-because the. oh, it works well because the more that we get, the more customers that we get, the more customers that we get, the more shop that we have of more shop sales that we have of cnsps more shop sales that we have of crisps and drinks things crisps and drinks and things like it all helps the like that. it all helps the overall business. well absolutely. and overall business. well absolutely . and the competition absolutely. and the competition and markete— absolutely. and the competition and markets authority- .tiil.«t and the competition and markets authority is now getttng— and markets authority is now getting involved _ and markets authority is now getting involved and that's going— getting involved and that's gotng to— getting involved and that's gotng to te— getting involved and that's gotng to be an— getting involved and that's going to be an investigation . going to be an investigation. tan— going to be an investigation. tan and— going to be an investigation. ian and we've— going to be an investigation. ian and we've had a male mogg. i tntnt—

ian and we've had a male mogg. i tntnt eometodv— ian and we've had a male mogg. i think somebody wants to investigate— think somebody wants to investigate ge energy who owned aeda— investigate ge energy who owned aeda .— investigate ge energy who owned aeda . and— investigate ge energy who owned aeda . and tnev— investigate ge energy who owned asda , and they also control 70% asda, and they also control 70% of asda, and they also control 70% ot tne— asda, and they also control 70% ot me me— asda, and they also control 70% of the fuel stations— asda, and they also control 70% of the fuel stations and that why— of the fuel stations and that why tuet— of the fuel stations and that why fuel prices— of the fuel stations and that why fuel prices are so high and tnev— why fuel prices are so high and tnev nave— why fuel prices are so high and tnev nave a— why fuel prices are so high and they have a monopoly. so it's ateotutetv— they have a monopoly. so it's absolutely terrific— they have a monopoly. so it's absolutely terrific that we have eometodv— absolutely terrific that we have eometodv vvno — absolutely terrific that we have somebody who is— absolutely terrific that we have somebody who is breaking up this monopottettc— somebody who is breaking up this monopolistic activity on the torecourte. — monopolistic activity on the forecourts. well, thank you very mucn— forecourts. well, thank you very mucn to— forecourts. well, thank you very mucn to tttctv— forecourts. well, thank you very much to ricky and— forecourts. well, thank you very much to ricky and dave. what voue— much to ricky and dave. what voure dotng— much to ricky and dave. what voure dotng te— much to ricky and dave. what you're doing is really saving peopte— you're doing is really saving peopte ttvtng— you're doing is really saving people living near you a fortune and— people living near you a fortune and tt— people living near you a fortune and tt enove— people living near you a fortune and it shows the— people living near you a fortune and it shows the free market at its and it shows the free market at tte teet— and it shows the free market at tte teet and— and it shows the free market at its best and its— and it shows the free market at its best and its most robust . so its best and its most robust. so tnant— its best and its most robust. so tnant vou— its best and its most robust. so tnant vou tor— its best and its most robust. so thank you for what— its best and its most robust. so thank you for what you're doing for thank you for what you're doing tor tne— thank you for what you're doing tor tne peopte— thank you for what you're doing for the people of— thank you for what you're doing for the people of shropshire . for the people of shropshire. now:— for the people of shropshire. uov. tnat-e— for the people of shropshire. now, that's all— for the people of shropshire. now, that's all from me . but up now, that's all from me. but up next— now, that's all from me. but up next te— now, that's all from me. but up next te tne— now, that's all from me. but up next is the mighty— now, that's all from me. but up next is the mighty dan wootton uno— next is the mighty dan wootton vvno generouetv— next is the mighty dan wootton who generously last night when i got nome— who generously last night when i got none and— who generously last night when i got home and was— who generously last night when i got home and was watching his programme— got home and was watching his programme on— got home and was watching his programme on the advice of carote— programme on the advice of carole malone— programme on the advice of carole malone ,_ programme on the advice of carole malone , made me his carole malone, made me his greateet— carole malone, made me his greatest briton— carole malone, made me his greatest briton of the night. so i'm greatest briton of the night. so t-m verv— greatest briton of the night. so i'm very grateful— greatest briton of the night. so i'm very grateful to you. dan, vnat— i'm very grateful to you. dan, vnat nave— i'm very grateful to you. dan, vnat nave vou— i'm very grateful to you. dan, what have you got in store for uee — what have you got in store for uee vou— what have you got in store for uee you owe— what have you got in store for us? you owe me— what have you got in store for us? you owe me one,- what have you got in store for us? you owe me one, jake. no, seriously , you deserve that. you seriously, you deserve that. you deserve that. look. another great on show tonight. great tory on the show tonight. simon clarke. obviously, he was in the truss cabinet . he's very in the truss cabinet. he's very concerned about these new

statistics that show 1 in 5 brits very soon will be in the top tax rate bracket. and you've got to admit, jacob, as a thatcherite, that is a very concerned place for your party to be in. so he is hitting back hard on taxes. plus, tom bower in the studio, the royal expert on meghan markle. 2.0 and why prince harry has decided to start another war with the home office about his security. and jacob, i've been meaning to talk to you about this all week. those are really interesting etortee— those are really interesting etortee. tm— those are really interesting stories. i'm tom- those are really interesting stories. i'm tom bower is such a good— stories. i'm tom bower is such a good ptograpner.— stories. i'm tom bower is such a good biographer. yes. he gets tnto— good biographer. yes. he gets tnto tne— good biographer. yes. he gets into the details— good biographer. yes. he gets into the details and gets his tacte— into the details and gets his tacte rtgnt. — into the details and gets his facts right. .is.- into the details and gets his facts right. i facts right. he is. but jacob, just one. i've got to ask you about. been meaning to talk about. i've been meaning to talk to you about it all week. are you team holly willoughby or team phillip schofield? and i'm team i watch this team gb news. as i watch this cnannet— team gb news. as i watch this cnannet-tnan— team gb news. as i watch this channel than other lesser channel rather than other lesser cnannete. — channel rather than other lesser cnannete. nut— channel rather than other lesser channels. but that's all from -tact— channels. but that's all from me. back tomorrow at me. i'll be back tomorrow at eae.— me. i'll be back tomorrow at erect-racon— me. i'll be back tomorrow at 8:00.-jacob and 8:00. i'm jacob rees—mogg, and tnte—ot— 8:00. i'm jacob rees—mogg, and tnte—ot tne- this has been state of the tatton— this has been state of the nation-and- this has been state of the nation and you're this has been state of the-

nation -and you're going nation tonight. and you're going to get— nation tonight. and you're going to get tne— nation tonight. and you're going to get the weather. let's to get the weather. and let's nope— to get the weather. and let's nope-eun— to get the weather. and let's nope-eun te— to get the weather. and let's hope sun is shining in hope the sun is shining in somereet.— hope the sun is shining in. somerset._hello somerset. good night. hello tnere. — somerset. good night. hello there. welcome— somerset. good night. hello there. welcome to- somerset. good night. hello there. i i somerset. good night. hello there. i i cit there. welcome to our latest gb news weather forecast. i'm greg dewhurst. well, sunny spells over the next few days. there is the risk of some rain in the forecast. largely affecting the north and north—west of the uk at times. looking at the bigger picture, high pressure holds on keeping most weather systems at bay, but just notice they will scoot across the far north at times. this weather front perhaps sinking a little further south by friday. tuesday ends on a quiet note , plenty of clear a quiet note, plenty of clear spells to end the day, perhaps just a few lingering showers initially, but overnight , it initially, but overnight, it should be largely dry and with that high pressure around and light winds, we could just see a few mist and fog patches and under the clear skies turning quite temperatures, mid quite chilly. temperatures, mid single , perhaps single figures, perhaps an isolated of grass frost to isolated touch of grass frost to start wednesday morning . but start wednesday morning. but that sunny spells, though that means sunny spells, though it cloudier across eastern it is cloudier across eastern areas first thing. but the cloud tends to lift and break a little, perhaps just enough for

a few light showers across central southern england for the afternoon rain. and then just one of those weather fronts skirting the far of skirting the far north of scotland . in between where we scotland. in between where we get the sunny spells , get the sunny spells, temperatures lifting largely the mid high perhaps 19 or mid to high teens, perhaps 19 or 20 across southern parts of england wales into the england and wales into the evening time on wednesday , the evening time on wednesday, the cloud starts to melt away again . we see largely dry nights , . we see largely dry nights, still some rain and drizzle affecting central and northern parts scotland , but generally parts of scotland, but generally light and patchy in nature. a few mist and fog patches again developing the end of developing towards the end of the night and temperatures under those clear spells, perhaps dipping into single figures . so dipping into single figures. so a dry start for most of us on thursday morning. a grey start in places, but the sunshine soon reappears. there'll be plenty of dry weather to come for many, even though the sun might be a bit hazy at times. but a weak weather front will move into parts of northern ireland, western few western scotland give a few splashes here and again splashes of rain here and again temperatures high teens to low 20s, a few showers 20s, perhaps a few more showers around friday, saturday is

around friday, but saturday is looking dry temperatures looking dry and temperatures again, teens , low 20s.

no spin, no bias, no censorship. i'm dan wootton tonight. tory nrttatn— i'm dan wootton tonight. tory nrttatn nae— i'm dan wootton tonight. tory britain has become an immigration- britain has become an immigration nation and with the dome— immigration nation and with the home office— immigration nation and with the home office privately predicting anotner— home office privately predicting anotner tt— home office privately predicting another 1.1 million foreign nattonate— another 1.1 million foreign nationals will— another 1.1 million foreign nationals will arrive legally next— nationals will arrive legally next year— nationals will arrive legally next year when _ nationals will arrive legally next year when will the prime tttnteter— next year when will the prime minister finally— next year when will the prime minister finally act on his tougn— minister finally act on his tougn tatt— minister finally act on his tougn tatt 7— minister finally act on his tough talk ? let's be honest. our tough talk? let's be honest. our evetem — tough talk? let's be honest. our evetem te— tough talk? let's be honest. our system is broken— tough talk? let's be honest. our system is broken .— tough talk? let's be honest. our system is broken . we do not have system is broken. we do not have controt— system is broken. we do not have controt ot— system is broken. we do not have controt ot our— system is broken. we do not have control of our borders. this is a genutne— control of our borders. this is a genuine emergency and must be addreeeed— a genuine emergency and must be addreeeed .— a genuine emergency and must be addressed . i'll— a genuine emergency and must be addressed . i'll demand urgent addressed. i'll demand urgent actton— addressed. i'll demand urgent actton on— addressed. i'll demand urgent action on our— addressed. i'll demand urgent action on our broken immigration evetem — action on our broken immigration evetem and— action on our broken immigration evetem and my— action on our broken immigration system and my digest next. then my euperetar— system and my digest next. then my superstar panel— system and my digest next. then my superstar panel weigh in. tontgtt— my superstar panel weigh in. tontgnt. tm— my superstar panel weigh in. tonight, i'm joined by amanda ttatett—