staff. she is as his chief of staff. she is supposed to be an impartial civil servant . but should she civil servant. but should she actually be blocked from joining the labour party.7 let me know what you think then. should council workers be paid the same to work fewer hours? i'm asking because one lib dem run council , south cambridgeshire, is offering its workers to only work four days a week, 20% less hours. but on exactly the same pay- hours. but on exactly the same pay. is that fair? when our council taxes always seem to be rising and romford in essex or on the border of essex and london is banning hoodies , london is banning hoodies, hoodies in public spaces , as hoodies in public spaces, as well as face masks and other things. this is to combat antisocial behaviour. do you think it's a good thing? should they be banned? are they intimidating or is this an infringement on people's, well, civil liberties? and finally, our vegan council's a threat to british farmers. farmers are getting worried that more and

more councils are signing up to plant based treaties and well, telling schools that they have to have vegan menus for children. let me know what you think about that. all of that to come tonight on dewbs & co with come tonight on dewbs& co with me, emily carver. but first, let's get the latest news headunes let's get the latest news headlines with polly . emily, headlines with polly. emily, thank you. the— headlines with polly. emily, thank you. the top- : emily, thank you. the top stories at 6:00— thank you. the top stories at 6:00 on— thank you. the top stories at 6:00 on ea— thank you. the top stories at 6:00 on gb news. the deadline for the— 6:00 on gb news. the deadline for the final— 6:00 on gb news. the deadline for the final evacuation flight from— for the final evacuation flight from sud...— for the final evacuation flight from sudan in— for the final evacuation flight from sudan in northeast africa by uk— from sudan in northeast africa by uk feces— from sudan in northeast africa by uk forces has— from sudan in northeast africa by uk forces has passed as an estimated— by uk forces has passed as an estimated 1000— by uk forces has passed as an estimated 1000 british nationals in— estimated 1000 british nationals in the— estimated 1000 british nationals remain in the country. flight tracking— remain in the country. flight tracking website flight radar showe— tracking website flight radar ehewe whee— tracking website flight radar shows what appears to be i'm sorry,— shows what appears to be i'm sorry, we— shows what appears to be i'm sorry, we de— shows what appears to be i'm sorry, we do have— shows what appears to be i'm sorry, we do have some pictures here— sorry, we do have some pictures here ef— sorry, we do have some pictures here or wher— sorry, we do have some pictures here of what is— sorry, we do have some pictures here of what is going on in sheen— here of what is going on in sheen .— here of what is going on in sheen . ahe— here of what is going on in sudan . and that, of course, sudan. and that, of course, a royal— sudan. and that, of course, a royal arr— sudan. and that, of course, a royal air force— sudan. and that, of course, a royal air force flight with the wher— royal air force flight with the were erhhhee— royal air force flight with the water supplies due to go on heare— water supplies due to go on heard he— water supplies due to go on board as the _ water supplies due to go on board as the civilian evacuations- board as the civilian evacuations continue view, we eree — evacuations continue view, we are her— evacuations continue view, we are her yer— evacuations continue view, we can also let you know , as i was can also let you know, as i was saying,— can also let you know, as i was eeyhg, rher— can also let you know, as i was saying, that flight—

can also let you know, as i was saying, that flight tracking wehehe— saying, that flight tracking website flight— saying, that flight tracking website flight radar shows what appeare— website flight radar shows what appears re— website flight radar shows what appears he he— website flight radar shows what appears to be the— website flight radar shows what appears to be the last evacuation _ appears to be the last evacuation flight taking off from — evacuation flight taking off from he — evacuation flight taking off from the airport at port sudan. ver— from the airport at port sudan. her cah— from the airport at port sudan. you can see people queuing there to you can see people queuing there he ger— you can see people queuing there re re eh— you can see people queuing there he er on heart,— you can see people queuing there to get on board, having assistance— to get on board, having assistance from british military . rhe— assistance from british military . we understand— assistance from british military . we understand the deadline to reach— . we understand the deadline to reach rhe— . we understand the deadline to reach the airport— . we understand the deadline to reach the airport for those eherhre— reach the airport for those ehgrhre re— reach the airport for those eligible to -the- reach the airport for those eligible to the flight was eligible to board the flight was at eligible to board the flight was er-reeey— eligible to board the flight was er-reeey .— eligible to board the flight was at-today . 2000- eligible to board the flight was at today . 2000 people on at midday today. 2000 people on 24 at midday today. 2000 people on ze rhehre— at midday today. 2000 people on 24 flights have— at midday today. 2000 people on 24 flights have been evacuated hem— 24 flights have been evacuated from he— 24 flights have been evacuated from the country— 24 flights have been evacuated from the country so far. and sheen-e— from the country so far. and sheen-e arrhy— from the country so far. and sudan's army and rival paramilitary- sudan's army and rival paramilitary forces say they'll errehe— paramilitary forces say they'll extend their— paramilitary forces say they'll extend their ceasefire now for a ruhher— extend their ceasefire now for a ruhher 72— extend their ceasefire now for a further 72 hours.— extend their ceasefire now for a further 72 hours. so those evacuations— further 72 hours. so those evacuations will we understand, be evacuations will we understand, he unher— evacuations will we understand, he under a— evacuations will we understand, be under a cloak— evacuations will we understand, be under a cloak of safety. if her— be under a cloak of safety. if her herde— be under a cloak of safety. if that holds, it— be under a cloak of safety. if that holds, it was— be under a cloak of safety. if that holds, it was due to end weighe— that holds, it was due to end tonight. we'll— that holds, it was due to end tonight. we'll keep you up to here— tonight. we'll keep you up to here eh— tonight. we'll keep you up to date on events— tonight. we'll keep you up to date on events in— tonight. we'll keep you up to date on events in sudan and heeee— date on events in sudan and indeed getting— date on events in sudan and indeed getting british nationals out indeed getting british nationals eur er— indeed getting british nationals our or her— indeed getting british nationals out of that country safely by he— out of that country safely by he hrhhh — out of that country safely by the british forces throughout the british forces throughout rhe eer— the british forces throughout rhe reer er— the british forces throughout the rest of the— the british forces throughout the rest of the evening . now, the rest of the evening. now, here-er— the rest of the evening. now, news-at home,- the rest of the evening. now, news at home, the general news here at home, the general eeerererr— news here at home, the general eeererery er— news here at home, the general secretary of the— news here at home, the general secretary of the royal college of secretary of the royal college or hurehg — secretary of the royal college of nursing. urged - secretary of the royal college of nursing urged the health of nursing has urged the health seererery— of nursing has urged the health seerererr re— of nursing has urged the health secretary to-be_ secretary to not be disrespectful to nurses amid rherr— disrespectful to nurses amid rherrhrggeer— disrespectful to nurses amid their biggest strike yet. pat crueh-e— their biggest strike yet. pat cullen's comments came as steve barclay— cullen's comments came as steve hererey erre— cullen's comments came as steve barclay said the— cullen's comments came as steve barclay said the industrial eerreh— barclay said the industrial eerreh wee— barclay said the industrial action was premature. as he said

erher— action was premature. as he said erher whee— action was premature. as he said other trade unions— action was premature. as he said other trade unions were planning to other trade unions were planning re rheer— other trade unions were planning re rheer hhh— other trade unions were planning re rheer hhh re— other trade unions were planning to meet him to discuss pay tomorrow . staff- to meet him to discuss pay tomorrow . staff in emergency tomorrow. staff in emergency eeperrrhehre— tomorrow. staff in emergency eeperrrhehre ,— tomorrow. staff in emergency departments , intensive care and departments, intensive care and cancer care began— departments, intensive care and cancer care began their 28 hour erhhe— cancer care began their 28 hour erhhe eerreh— cancer care began their 28 hour strike action yesterday that ende— strike action yesterday that ends tonight. _ strike action yesterday that ends tonight. the labour leader , shr— ends tonight. the labour leader , sh herr— ends tonight. the labour leader , sir keir starmer,_ ends tonight. the labour leader , sir keir starmer, has accused rhe— , sir keir starmer, has accused the government— , sir keir starmer, has accused the government of— , sir keir starmer, has accused the government of not doing enough— the government of not doing enough re— the government of not doing enough he shep— the government of not doing enough to stop the strike wry— enough to stop the strike sooner. way back before christmas,— sooner. way back before christmas, the nurses said, if you— christmas, the nurses said, if you ceme— christmas, the nurses said, if we h— christmas, the nurses said, if you come in and— christmas, the nurses said, if you come in and talk to us about pay,— you come in and talk to us about pay, we— you come in and talk to us about payr we wen-r— you come in and talk to us about payr we weh-r 90— you come in and talk to us about payr we weh-r ge eh— you come in and talk to us about pay, we won't go on strike. the government— pay, we won't go on strike. the government sat— pay, we won't go on strike. the government sat on _ pay, we won't go on strike. the government sat on its hands for weeks and weeks and weeks, made a bad situation worse. so everybody wants to see that resolved. i it is resolved. i think it is important to recognise the underlying this underlying causes of this because the nurses and many others have seen a real drop in their wages and their living standards because of the cost of living crisis and the government's got nothing to say living crisis and the gothem|ent's got nothing to say living crisis and the gothem aboutgot nothing to say living crisis and the gothem about that.>thing to say living crisis and the gothem about that. song to say living crisis and the gothem about that. so i; to say living crisis and the gothem about that. so i thinkay to them about that. so i think responsibility here lies at the door of number 10. sir keir starmer, let's— door of number 10. sir keir starmer, let's bring- : he. �*0 sir keir starmer, let's bring you up to here— starmer, let's bring you up to were whh— starmer, let's bring you up to date with events— starmer, let's bring you up to date with events in france where werehee— date with events in france where werehee hee— date with events in france where violence has erupted today ewhe— violence has erupted today during their— violence has erupted today during their traditional may day rehew— during their traditional may day rehewr merch— during their traditional may day labour march in— during their traditional may day labour march in the capital

ehw. — labour march in the capital errw. rehee— labour march in the capital city. police have— labour march in the capital city. police have been clashing whh— city. police have been clashing with hundreds— city. police have been clashing with hundreds of— city. police have been clashing with hundreds of protesters in rehe— with hundreds of protesters in paris, marching— with hundreds of protesters in paris, marching against french hehereh— paris, marching against french eehefeh referrh— paris, marching against french pension reform law. bikes were set pension reform law. bikes were eef eh— pension reform law. bikes were eef eh fre— pension reform law. bikes were set on fire. police— pension reform law. bikes were set on fire. police were using fear— set on fire. police were using tear cannon and— set on fire. police were using tear cannon and firing tear gas at tear cannon and firing tear gas ef erewee— tear cannon and firing tear gas ef erewee ee— tear cannon and firing tear gas at crowds as that— tear cannon and firing tear gas at crowds as that violence eenfhwerf— at crowds as that violence continued. macron's government has pushed— continued. macron's government has pushed rhe— continued. macron's government has pushed the pension legislation— has pushed the pension legislation through without a fear— legislation through without a fhef were— legislation through without a final vote because , he says, final vote because, he says, fhere— final vote because, he says, here we— final vote because, he says, fhere e— final vote because, he says, there was a lack— final vote because, he says, there was a lack of cross party eweeerf— there was a lack of cross party eweeerf .— there was a lack of cross party eweeerr . rerher— there was a lack of cross party support . former us president support. former us president hehefe— support. former us president hehefe hume— support. former us president donald trump has arrived in seeffehe— donald trump has arrived in scotland today,— donald trump has arrived in scotland today, saying it's greef— scotland today, saying it's greef fe— scotland today, saying it's greef re he— scotland today, saying it's great to be home. he landed in aberdeen— great to be home. he landed in aberdeen h— great to be home. he landed in aberdeen in his— great to be home. he landed in aberdeen in his private jet. he hef— aberdeen in his private jet. he rhef hw— aberdeen in his private jet. he her by we— aberdeen in his private jet. he was met by two pipers, a red career— was met by two pipers, a red eerhef rhe— was met by two pipers, a red career and e— was met by two pipers, a red carpet and a ten— was met by two pipers, a red carpet and a ten vehicle motorcade— carpet and a ten vehicle motorcade ._ carpet and a ten vehicle motorcade . he is due to open motorcade. he is due to open a eeeehe— motorcade. he is due to open a eeeehe geff— motorcade. he is due to open a second golf course— motorcade. he is due to open a second golf course at menie effere— second golf course at menie eefefe h— second golf course at menie estate in the— second golf course at menie estate in the north—east of the eewhfw— estate in the north—east of the eewhfw .— estate in the north—east of the eewhfw . he— estate in the north—east of the country . he last— estate in the north—east of the country . he last visited in 2018 country. he last visited in 2018 when— country. he last visited in 2018 when he— country. he last visited in 2018 when he we— country. he last visited in 2018 when he was still— country. he last visited in 2018 when he was still president and hen— when he was still president and hen refer— when he was still president and he'll later visit— when he was still president and he'll tater visit his— when he was still president and he'll later visit his course in heehheg— he'll later visit his course in heehhee eh— he'll later visit his course in doonbeg on ireland's west coast. wew— doonbeg on ireland's west coast. wew frfhwfee— doonbeg on ireland's west coast. now tributes have— doonbeg on ireland's west coast. now tributes have been paid to a whe— now tributes have been paid to a man who was stabbed to death in cerhweff. — man who was stabbed to death in cerhweff. ee— man who was stabbed to death in cornwall. 36 year— man who was stabbed to death in cornwall. 36 year old michael affeh— cornwall. 36 year old michael affeh wee— cornwall. 36 year old michael allen was killed— cornwall. 36 year old michael allen was killed and seven efhere— allen was killed and seven others were _ allen was killed and seven others were injured from stab weee— others were injured from stab wounds following an incident in

heerhh— wounds following an incident in bodmin yesterday— wounds following an incident in bodmin yesterday morning. two heehfe— bodmin yesterday morning. two heeefe reheh— bodmin yesterday morning. two people remain in— bodmin yesterday morning. two people remain in hospital . a 24 people remain in hospital. a 24 weer— people remain in hospital. a 24 weer ere— people remain in hospital. a 24 weer ere her— people remain in hospital. a 24 year old man from _ people remain in hospital. a 24 year old man from bodmin has freeh— year old man from bodmin has been arrested— year old man from bodmin has been arrested on— year old man from bodmin has been arrested on suspicion of mere— been arrested on suspicion of murder, attempted murder and eewehe— murder, attempted murder and causing grievous— murder, attempted murder and causing grievous bodily harm . causing grievous bodily harm. referr— causing grievous bodily harm. fehewr eewe— causing grievous bodily harm. labour says the— causing grievous bodily harm. labour says the government's eeefefeh — labour says the government's eeefefeh fe — labour says the government's decision to scale— labour says the government's decision to scale back housing fereefe— decision to scale back housing rergere eewfe— decision to scale back housing targets could cost— decision to scale back housing targets could cost renters an exfre— targets could cost renters an exfre mo— targets could cost renters an extra £200 a— targets could cost renters an extra £200 a year by 2030. last weer— extra £200 a year by 2030. last year ,_ extra £200 a year by 2030. last weer , hfehf — extra £200 a year by 2030. last year , rishi sunak_ extra £200 a year by 2030. last year , rishi sunak made the year, rishi sunak made the fewer— year, rishi sunak made the fereef ef— year, rishi sunak made the target of building 300,000 homes a target of building 300,000 homes eweer— target of building 300,000 homes e weer h— target of building 300,000 homes a year in england— target of building 300,000 homes a year in england advisory refher— a year in england advisory rather than— a year in england advisory rather than mandatory and the eeeee— rather than mandatory and the squeeze on supply is having a wreck— squeeze on supply is having a heck eh— squeeze on supply is having a knock on effect— squeeze on supply is having a knock on effect with some ehefwefe— knock on effect with some analysts predicting it could increase rental— analysts predicting it could increase rental prices . the increase rental prices. the eewerhrhehf— increase rental prices. the government says it has a plan to here— government says it has a plan to halve inflation— government says it has a plan to halve inflation to— government says it has a plan to halve inflation to help millions of halve inflation to help millions ef eeehfe— halve inflation to help millions ef eeeefe wffh— halve inflation to help millions of people with the cost of rent. hef— of people with the cost of rent. hwf rhe— of people with the cost of rent. but the shadow— of people with the cost of rent. but the shadow women and reweffffee— but the shadow women and equalities secretary anneliese heede— equalities secretary anneliese heeee eewe— equalities secretary anneliese dodds says the— equalities secretary anneliese dodds says the government needs to dodds says the government needs fe help— dodds says the government needs fe here fheee— dodds says the government needs to help those who— dodds says the government needs to help those who don't own fhefr— to help those who don't own their homes.— to help those who don't own their homes. now the level of heme— their homes. now the level of home building looks like it's going to fall to its lowest level since the second world war. under conservative led governments and that's a big problem because are problem because people are already paying 42% of their

income after tax in rent on average. so labour said we need to have a sensible approach to this. we need to be delivering those homes that people need rishi sunak shouldn't have scrapped that target without anything else to go into its place is what's now heineken. the brewing giant, has pledged to the brewing giant, has pledged fe hweef— the brewing giant, has pledged to invest £40— the brewing giant, has pledged to invest £40 million into for its to invest £40 million into for he wh— to invest £40 million into for its uk operation— to invest £40 million into for its uk operation ,_ to invest £40 million into for its uk operation , creating its uk operation, creating heerfw— its uk operation, creating heerfw eee— its uk operation, creating nearly 600 new jobs. the company runs around 2400— nearly 600 new jobs. the company runs around 2400 pubs across the eewhfrw— runs around 2400 pubs across the eewhrrw fhreweh— runs around 2400 pubs across the country through its— runs around 2400 pubs across the country through its star pubs ere— country through its star pubs ehe here.— country through its star pubs and bars. brand— country through its star pubs and bars. brand and the brewing gfehf-e— and bars. brand and the brewing giant's expected— and bars. brand and the brewing giant's expected to upgrade 570 of giant's expected to upgrade 570 ef fre— giant's expected to upgrade 570 ef ffe wehwee— giant's expected to upgrade 570 of its venues with— giant's expected to upgrade 570 of its venues with a focus on wher— of its venues with a focus on whef ff-e— of its venues with a focus on what it's calling— of its venues with a focus on what it's calling local neighbourhood style pubs . neighbourhood style pubs. fwhew-e— neighbourhood style pubs. turkey's president claims his eewhfrw— turkey's president claims his eewhfrw hee— turkey's president claims his country has killed the islamic sfefe— country has killed the islamic state leader— country has killed the islamic state leader in— country has killed the islamic state leader in syria . president state leader in syria. president freeeeh— state leader in syria. president erdogan eewhg— state leader in syria. president erdogan saying turkish intelligence - erdogan saying turkish intelligence forces killed abu hweeeh— intelligence forces killed abu hussein al—qurashi after ewrewhe— hussein al—qurashi after ewrewhe hfrh— hussein al—qurashi after pursuing him for some time in it's pursuing him for some time in he fhewehf— pursuing him for some time in it's thought the _ pursuing him for some time in it's thought the raid in herfherh— it's thought the raid in northern syria lasted about an heur— northern syria lasted about an here here—

northern syria lasted about an hour. there were— northern syria lasted about an hour. there were reports of an exefeefeh— hour. there were reports of an explosion being— hour. there were reports of an explosion being heard and af-ewrefehf— explosion being heard and al—quraishi became the isis reefer— al—quraishi became the isis feeeer h— al—quraishi became the isis leader in november last year effer— leader in november last year effer hfe— leader in november last year after his predecessor was also whee— after his predecessor was also whee .— after his predecessor was also whee . wew— after his predecessor was also killed . now plans to ask the killed. now plans to ask the prehe— killed. now plans to ask the ewhhe fe— killed. now plans to ask the public to pledge their allegiance— public to pledge their allegiance to his majesty, the king— allegiance to his majesty, the king during— allegiance to his majesty, the king during the— allegiance to his majesty, the king during the coronation ferfeeh— king during the coronation torfaen have— king during the coronation torfaen have been branded tone freeh— torfaen have been branded tone eeef. fhfe— torfaen have been branded tone deaf. this week's— torfaen have been branded tone deaf. this week's ceremony will hefwee— deaf. this week's ceremony will hefwee rhe— deaf. this week's ceremony will include the homage of the people whfeh— include the homage of the people whfeh wru— include the homage of the people which will see— include the homage of the people which will see the— include the homage of the people which will see the public hwfee— which will see the public hwfee fe— which will see the public invited to swear an oath to king cherfee. — invited to swear an oath to king cherfee. hef— invited to swear an oath to king charles. but pressure group hehwhhe— charles. but pressure group heewhhe eew— charles. but pressure group republic say that in a democracy it's republic say that in a democracy he he— republic say that in a democracy he he heed— republic say that in a democracy it's the head of— republic say that in a democracy it's the head of state who ehewfe— it's the head of state who ehewfe he— it's the head of state who should be swearing allegiance to the should be swearing allegiance to he eeeefe— should be swearing allegiance to he eeeefe ehe— should be swearing allegiance to the people and not— should be swearing allegiance to the people and not the other way rewhe— the people and not the other way round. lambeth_ the people and not the other way round. lambeth says it's round. lambeth palace says it's an round. lambeth palace says it's eh hwfeffeh— round. lambeth palace says it's an invitation rather than a referee— an invitation rather than a reeweef .— an invitation rather than a reeweef . ahe— an invitation rather than a request . and england's longest request. and england's longest heffehef— request. and england's longest national trail— request. and england's longest national trail is— request. and england's longest national trail is set to be reherhee— national trail is set to be renamed after- national trail is set to be renamed after the king to commemorate— renamed after the king to commemorate his coronation next week.— commemorate his coronation next week. rhe— commemorate his coronation next week. the england— commemorate his coronation next week. the england coast path wru— week. the england coast path will officially— week. the england coast path will officially be— week. the england coast path will officially be known as the king— will officially be known as the king cherfee— will officially be known as the king charles iii— will officially be known as the king charles iii england coast perh— king charles iii england coast hefh .— king charles iii england coast hefh . rf— king charles iii england coast hefh . r wu— king charles iii england coast path . it will be— king charles iii england coast path . it will be a— king charles iii england coast path . it will be a 2700 mile path. it will be a 2700 mile long— path. it will be a 2700 mile fehe fren— path. it will be a 2700 mile long trail around— path. it will be a 2700 mile long trail around the whole of the long trail around the whole of he rheheh— long trail around the whole of the english coast, 794 miles of the engliin coast, 794 miles of the english coast, 794 miles of he reefe— the english coast, 794 miles of he rewfe fe— the english coast, 794 miles of the route is already open and it

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these questions from mps? i don't think you can trust : 357 i don't think you can trust keir sferrher— don't think you can trust keir starmer anything and it starmer on anything and it ehewfe— starmer on anything and it should self—evident to anyone should be self—evident to anyone wffh— should be self—evident to anyone wffh wee— should be self—evident to anyone wffh wew knew— should be self—evident to anyone wffh wew whew .— should be self—evident to anyone with you know , a— should be self—evident to anyone with you know , a modicum of with you know, a modicum of were— with you know, a modicum of hreh fewer— with you know, a modicum of brain power that— with you know, a modicum of brain power that keir starmer is eeehfw— brain power that keir starmer is deeply untrustworthy individual . rhe— deeply untrustworthy individual . fhe ehfffw— deeply untrustworthy individual . the shifty some— deeply untrustworthy individual . the shifty some are- deeply untrustworthy individual . the shifty some are calling him. why do you say ? because i him. why do you say? because i mean, you him. why do you say? because i wew reek— him. why do you say? because i mean, you look at— him. why do you say? because i mean, you look at the- " rwy r:r:::r 7 because i mean, you look at the way he :�* rwy r:rt:r 7 because i mean, you look at the way he was he— mean, you look at the way he was fhfe fe— mean, you look at the way he was fhfe fe eerheee— mean, you look at the way he was this is perhaps too— mean, you look at the way he was this is perhaps too early in the eehefe— this is perhaps too early in the eehefe fe— this is perhaps too early in the eehefe fe eer— this is perhaps too early in the debate to get on— this is perhaps too early in the debate to get on to it. but, you knew:— debate to get on to it. but, you knew: he— debate to get on to it. but, you know, he blames— debate to get on to it. but, you know, he blames the conservative party— know, he blames the conservative rerfw fer— know, he blames the conservative party for breaking— know, he blames the conservative party for breaking the economy. but party for breaking the economy. hwf he— party for breaking the economy. hwf he wher— party for breaking the economy. but he what broke the economy were lockdowns._ but he what broke the economy were lockdowns. i— but he what broke the economy were lockdowns. i i'm digressing eeherererw— were lockdowns. i i'm digressing completely from _ were lockdowns. i i'm digressing completely from the subject, but the government,— completely from the subject, but the government, tories have the government, the tories have freeh— the government, the tories have heehlhewer— the government, the tories have heehlhewer fer— the government, the tories have been-power for 30— the government, the tories have been power for 30 and he been in power for 30 and he wehfee— been in power for 30 and he wanted more— been in power for 30 and he wanted more lockdowns than the ferfee— wanted more lockdowns than the ferfee-he— wanted more lockdowns than the tories-he never— wanted more lockdowns than the tories-he never-up. tories did. he never fesses up to tories did. he never fesses up feiewh— tories did. he never fesses up to own commitments and the to his own commitments and the efwff— to his own commitments and the efwff fhef— to his own commitments and the efwff fheflwee— to his own commitments and the stuff that was championing, stuff that he was championing, whfeh— stuff that he was championing, whfeh-hewe— stuff that he was championing, which-have-so- which would have been so efeeefrewe— which would have been so disastrous for— which would have been so disastrous for the uk and then we hee— disastrous for the uk and then we hee hee— disastrous for the uk and then we had that series, those series of we had that series, those series ef eee— we had that series, those series ef eee wffh— we had that series, those series of ads with rishi— we had that series, those series of ads with rishi sunak being eeeweee— of ads with rishi sunak being accused -wanting- of ads with rishi sunak being accused wanting lock accused of not wanting to lock up .— accused of not wanting to lock up : whfeh— accused of not wanting to lock up , whfeh eeeh— accused of not wanting to lock up, which again is accused of not wanting to lock up , which again is incredibly up, which again is incredibly ehfffw— up, which again is incredibly ehfffw :— up, which again is incredibly ehfffw , wee— up, which again is incredibly shifty , you know, very shifty, you know, very politically _ shifty, you know, very politically dubious mechanism by whfeh— politically dubious mechanism by whfeh fe— politically dubious mechanism by which to attack— politically dubious mechanism by which to attack your opponent . which to attack your opponent. i which to attack your opponent. r fhfhh— which to attack your opponent. r fhfhh r—

which to attack your opponent. i think i think— which to attack your opponent. i think i think that's— which to attack your opponent. i think i think that's a- which to attack your opponent. i think i think that's a real. and now we find that he was eefwefrw— and now we find that he was actually recruiting sue gray. no .— actually recruiting sue gray. we . ehee— actually recruiting sue gray. no , that well,— actually recruiting sue gray. no , that well, he— actually recruiting sue gray. no , that well, he has- actually recruiting sue gray. no , that well, he has ripped no, that well, he has ripped heatedly failed to answer the question. doesn't mean to say yes. there question. doesn't mean to say yes . there have been some yes. there have been some exerwefefhe— gilt? there have been some excruciating interviews so far where— excruciating interviews so far where her— excruciating interviews so far where keir starmer refuses to ewe— where keir starmer refuses to give ehw— where keir starmer refuses to give ehw feee— where keir starmer refuses to give any idea of— where keir starmer refuses to give any idea of the timeline. wher— give any idea of the timeline. when he— give any idea of the timeline. when he started— give any idea of the timeline. when he started talking with her. — when he started talking with her. ahe— when he started talking with her. and let's— when he started talking with her. and let's remember, our freer— her. and let's remember, our viewers must remember that she eweeeeee— viewers must remember that she eweeeeee fe— viewers must remember that she was supposed to be completely referrer:— was supposed to be completely impartial, neutral— was supposed to be completely impartial, neutral . et cetera. impartial, neutral. et cetera. et impartial, neutral. et cetera. rf eeeref— impartial, neutral. et cetera. et cetera. can— impartial, neutral. et cetera. et cetera. can you be impartial in et cetera. can you be impartial h weer— et cetera. can you be impartial fh weer reh— et cetera. can you be impartial fh weer reh ehe— et cetera. can you be impartial in your job and then immediately jump— in your job and then immediately jump hfe— in your job and then immediately jump hfe e— in your job and then immediately jump into a political position? yesr_ jump into a political position? fee hfe— jump into a political position? fee hfe e— jump into a political position? yes, into a political position wffh— yes, into a political position wffh rhe— yes, into a political position with the opposition who benefit freeh— with the opposition who benefit frerh rhe— with the opposition who benefit from the decision? powell but the but the opposition who would benefit from the decision she made and the judgement that she you know , issued against boris you know, issued against boris johnson well, this is the thing is quite she'll she'll sue gray will intricate knowledge of will have intricate knowledge of the conservative parliamentary party as a result of her position. luke party as a result of her position . luke miall do you position. luke miall do you eeeeef— position. luke miall do you eeeeef fhef— position. luke miall do you accept that that— l c?" luke miall do you accept that that may l ct" luke miall do you accept that that may benefit herr— accept that that may benefit keir starmer— accept that that may benefit keir starmer if— accept that that may benefit keir starmer if she was to be

effewee— keir starmer if she was to be effewee fe— keir starmer if she was to be allowed to take— keir starmer if she was to be allowed to take this position as ehfef— allowed to take this position as ehfef ef— allowed to take this position as chief of staff,— allowed to take this position as chief of staff-civil- chief of staff, senior civil eewehfe— chief of staff, senior civil servants will— chief of staff, senior civil servants will and she has servants will have and she has werhee— servants will have and she has werhee fer— servants will have and she has worked for many— servants will have and she has worked for many ministers and eheeee— worked for many ministers and various shades of— worked for many ministers and various shades of government . various shades of government. rehefheh— various shades of government. jonathan powell— various shades of government. jonathan powell left— various shades of government. jonathan powell left the- various shades of government. jonathan powell left the civil service to go and become chief of staff for tony blair. ed ella whelan left the foreign office to go and become chief of staff to go and become chief of staff to david cameron. farage ipsis maude lord maude, as he is now, and bob kerslake, lord kerslake francis maude, former tory cabinet minister bob kerslake , cabinet minister bob kerslake, former head of the civil service, are just two of many people who have said that sue gray has impeccable integrity. theidea gray has impeccable integrity. the idea that somebody is going to go, hey, and guess what? they did and this is where they keep the paperclips is utterly ludicrous. isn't there a slight effferehee— ludicrous. isn't there a slight difference between - r: t isn't there a slight difference between those names fhef— difference between those names fhef-r-wef— difference between those names that just mentioned and that you just mentioned and sue grav— that you just mentioned and sue erewlfhef— that you just mentioned and sue erewlfhef her— that you just mentioned and sue gray that her parting gift, gray in that her parting gift, ref-e— gray in that her parting gift, ref-e eew— gray in that her parting gift, ref-e eew :— gray in that her parting gift, ref-e eew : ee— gray in that her parting gift, ref-e eew , ee e— gray in that her parting gift, let's say , as a civil servant let's say, as a civil servant fe— let's say, as a civil servant fe rhe— let's say, as a civil servant was to the demise of a prime rrhfefer— was to the demise of a prime minister this— was to the demise of a prime minister this investigation. she efer-f— minister this investigation. she efer-f whe— minister this investigation. she didn't bring down boris johnson : hef— didn't bring down boris johnson : hwf ehe— didn't bring down boris johnson : hwf ehe hee— didn't bring down boris johnson

, but she had brought himself eewh. — , but she had brought himself few we— , but she had brought himself few we .— , but she had brought himself down. no , but— , but she had brought himself down. no , but how- , but she had brought himself down. \rrt:r it?" , but she had brought himself down. \rrt:r cr?" , but she had brought himself down. \rrt:r t s down. no, but how can we know that that was an impartial investigation? if , that that was an impartial investigation? if, as boris rehheeh— investigation? if, as boris johnson and— 37 if, as boris johnson and everybody around him are,— johnson and everybody around him eefe: ehe-e— johnson and everybody around him eefe: ehe-e e— johnson and everybody around him said, she's a woman— johnson and everybody around him said, she's a woman of great hfegrffw. — said, she's a woman of great hfegrffw. wow— said, she's a woman of great integrity. \rt:rrrr said, she's a woman of great integrity. \rrt:rtrr' tg: integrity. now they've changed it because she might go and work for. that's true. but people werehf— for. that's true. but people weren't picking— that's true. but people weren't picking her up. "car weren't picking her up. they hrfhgfhg— weren't picking her up. they were bringing were begging were bringing they were begging her i mean, the fact her up. but, i mean, the fact is, her up. but, i mean, the fact he ff— her up. but, i mean, the fact he ff ehe— her up. but, i mean, the fact he hf ehe wee— her up. but, i mean, the fact is, if she was worthy- c. but, i mean, the fact is, if she was worthy of being bigged— is, if she was worthy of being bigged we,— is, if she was worthy of being bigged we, ehe— is, if she was worthy of being bigged up, she wouldn't have eeeee— bigged up, she wouldn't have ereeeee—h- bigged up, she wouldn't have crossed—i tell. bigged up, she wouldn't havei crossed—i tell you crossed the floor for i tell you wher— crossed the floor for i tell you whee-hem— crossed the floor for i tell you what, - know, .the - crossed the floor for i tell you what, know, the labour what, you know, to the labour party— what, you know, to the labour rerfw-ehe— what, you know, to the labour rerfw-ehe wee— what, you know, to the labour party she was party party that she was party eehhfheeh— party that she was party political-a— party that she was party political a time she was to. political at a time she was to. hehhhhe— political at a time she was to. hehhhhe n0,— political at a time she was to. talking no, but— political at a time she was to. talking no, but we don't know wher— talking no, but we don't know whef-few— talking no, but we don't know what-you can't- talking no, but we don't know. what-you can't-that what starmer you can't say that lie what starmer you can't say that hhe eh— what starmer you can't say that hhe eh rhe— what starmer you can't say that lie on live television. the eehefe— lie on live television. the eehefe he— lie on live television. the debate is, is— lie on live television. the debate is, is so- lie on live television. the debate is, is so shifty and he hee— debate is, is so shifty and he hee ehhffhhw— debate is, is so shifty and he has shiftily avoided answering fhef— has shiftily avoided answering fhef eweefheh— has shiftily avoided answering that question repeatedly to come ferherrew he— that question repeatedly to come tomorrow is the— that question repeatedly to come tomorrow is the cabinet office reherf. — tomorrow is the cabinet office reeerf. hheh— tomorrow is the cabinet office report. then there- tomorrow is the cabinet office report. then there is- tomorrow is the cabinet office report. rt:““ report. then there is the app cobra, whatever it's called , the cobra, whatever it's called, the acronym, which will decide on how long she has to wait before she can take up that appointment. so there are two separate processes to go through. the thing that i think we ought to be asking about if we're looking at the probity of civil servant s is the actual

head of the civil service, simon case, who has now got has a few questions to answer. different and slightly distant, cooler relationship with the prime minister. now it is said amongst whitehall and westminster gossips that simon case blocked out sue grey's promotion motion from second permanent secretary at the department of levelling up and that that was when she decided that it was time to go because he'd blocked her. now there are many questions about simon case's judgement , not simon case's judgement, not least of all his calls, texts and emails that we have seen in relation to partygate and his bizarre conversation with richard sharp, outgoing chairman of the bbc, where he didn't even take any notes, but . but whether take any notes, but. but whether shrheh— take any notes, but. but whether shrheh ceee— take any notes, but. but whether shrheh ceee he— take any notes, but. but whether simon case is a— take any notes, but. but whether simon case is a wrong'un- but whether simon case is a wrong'un or not is simon case is a wrong'un or not he hef— simon case is a wrong'un or not he her he— simon case is a wrong'un or not is not the question— simon case is a wrong'un or not is not the question at hand . but is not the question at hand. but it is not the question at hand. but hf mew— is not the question at hand. but hf rhew he— is not the question at hand. but it may be linked,— is not the question at hand. but it may be linked, but it's not he— it may be linked, but it's not he eweefheh— it may be linked, but it's not the question at— it may be linked, but it's not the question at hand. he wasn't ehergee— the question at hand. he wasn't ehereee whfh— the question at hand. he wasn't charged with acting as arbiter in determining— charged with acting as arbiter in determining whether or not a ehffhhe— in determining whether or not a ehffhhg hrhrhe— in determining whether or not a sitting prime minister had had

any sitting prime minister had had ehw hrhrrehhfw— sitting prime minister had had any improbity associated with her. — any improbity associated with he are— any improbity associated with her. and h— any improbity associated with him. and i think— any improbity associated with him. and i think the- any improbity associated with him. “r: “g him. and i think the having picked her up, the report was quite of boris johnson and not enough. some people . but yeah, enough. some people. but yeah, look, i'm no fan of boris johnson's. anyone who's heard me on boris johnson knows i'm you know, there's a lady who watches and she i think she plays boris bingo waits to see bingo because she waits to see how long before i can how long it is before i can mention boris. you've mentioned i've mention boris. you've mentioned h-we fhhe. — mention boris. you've mentioned i've seen this. i've— mention boris. you've mentioned i've seen this. i've seen- you've mentioned i've seen this. t“ i've seen this. i've seen this. it's like with other people who come on this show. it's waiting it's like with other people who conthe n this show. it's waiting it's like with other people who conthe bthis show. it's waiting it's like with other people who conthe b word.1ow. it's waiting it's like with other people who conthe b word. the it's waiting it's like with other people who conthe b word. the otheraiting it's like with other people who conthe b word. the other bting it's like with other people who conthe b word. the other b word for the b word. the other b word brexit. but you are the boris. i'm the boris on boris watch with you. forest in and blame her— with you. forest in and blame hhrh fer— with you. forest in and blame him for anything. _ with you. forest in and blame him for anything. i— forest in and blame him for anything. i think he's hee— him for anything. i think he's he's disastrous.— him for anything. i think he's he's disastrous. but i do think you— he's disastrous. but i do think wew hhew— he's disastrous. but i do think you know there— he's disastrous. but i do think you know there are questions ehewf— you know there are questions ehewf-ceee— you know there are questions about-case did- you know there are questions about case did he block about simon case did he block her her— about simon case did he block her her advancement in the in the her her advancement in the in he ehhf— her her advancement in the in the civil service— her her advancement in the in the civil service and at what eehhf— the civil service and at what eehhf ehe— the civil service and at what point did that— the civil service and at what point did that happen and at her— point did that happen and at fhef eehhf— point did that happen and at that point maybe like any of us, ehe— that point maybe like any of us, ehe fhewehf— that point maybe like any of us, she thought, actually, you know wher— she thought, actually, you know whef efwff— she thought, actually, you know what stuff this— she thought, actually, you know what stuff this i'll— she thought, actually, you know what stuff this i'll go somewhere- what stuff this i'll go somewhere else. / what stuff this i'll go- somewhere else. yeah but i what stuff this i'll go— somewhere else. yeah but i think i think when you have adjudicate something as serious as partygate she did and effectively found against the prime minister she did, then i

think you have a great duty not to be party political for a considerable period. i think that's fair of time. i think there should— that's fair of time. i think there should be- t c i think there should be some kind of rehe— there should be some kind of rwhe ehe— there should be some kind of rule and we'll— there should be some kind of rule and we'll see what happens ferherrew se— rule and we'll see what happens tomorrow. so whether it's she reefe— tomorrow. so whether it's she heeee fe— tomorrow. so whether it's she needs to wait— tomorrow. so whether it's she needs to wait a— tomorrow. so whether it's she needs to wait a year before fehhhg— needs to wait a year before fehhhg eweh— needs to wait a year before taking such a— needs to wait a year before taking such a political appointment, years, three appointment, two years, three weee— appointment, two years, three weere few— appointment, two years, three years, four years,— appointment, two years, three years, four years, five years. i eeh-f— years, four years, five years. i eeh-f hhew. — years, four years, five years. i don't know. but— years, four years, five years. i don't know. but it's quite clear fhef— don't know. but it's quite clear fhef ehe— don't know. but it's quite clear that she would— don't know. but it's quite clear that she would be— don't know. but it's quite clear that she would be joining the referr— that she would be joining the rehewr herew— that she would be joining the labour party in— that she would be joining the labour party in order to get here — labour party in order to get them .office. - labour party in order to get them office. and that's the them into office. and that's the where— them into office. and that's the where-ehe— them into office. and that's the whole - and the - them into office. and that's the whole and the other whole point. so and the other tethere— whole point. so and the other pertinent,-were- whole point. so and the other pertinent, were other pertinent, if it were the other way— pertinent, if it were the other wew rewhe— pertinent, if it were the other wew rewwhlee— pertinent, if it were the other way round, do think a lot of way round, i do think a lot of eweefhehe— way round, i do think a lot of questions would— way round, i do think a lot of questions would be asked. you knew:— questions would be asked. you knew: we— questions would be asked. you know, we constantly talk about herw— know, we constantly talk about few-few— know, we constantly talk about tory tory corruption, tory sleaze, tory corruption, ehe— tory sleaze, tory corruption, ehe-hfe— tory sleaze, tory corruption, and-it's right- tory sleaze, tory corruption, and it's right that the and i think it's right that the eeefhhehf— and i think it's right that the spotlight-labour. spotlight is put on labour every hew-egehh— spotlight is put on labour every hew-egehh-hf- spotlight is put on labour every now again it comes to now and again when it comes to her— now and again when it comes to fhehr- — now and again when it comes to their- absolutely.- now and again when it comes to their- absolutely. but- their own. absolutely. but i think we can't prejudge it. we don't know. none of us. three well they're don't know. none of us. three welllthey're -has- don't know. none of us. three welllthey're-has his. well if they're shifty has his way,— well if they're shifty has his wew—whhh- well if they're shifty has his way,_will ever. well if they're shifty has his. way,_will ever know, way, none of us will ever know, i way, none of us will ever know, h eeh-f— way, none of us will ever know, h eeh-f fhhhh. — way, none of us will ever know, i don't think. t i don't think. because he refuses to answer the question. well, he's going to have to answer questions tomorrow, answer some questions tomorrow, and answer some questions tomorrow, ehe—whhh— answer some questions tomorrow, ehe-whhh eerre- answer some questions tomorrow, and-will come down- answer some questions tomorrow, and will come down to and i think it will come down to fhef— and i think it will come down to that timeline. _ and i think it will come down to that timeline. -were- and i think it will come down to that timeline. were they that timeline. when were they hewhhe—wheh- having these talks? when did he hhhfhehhw— having these talks? when did he initially-her?-is. initially approach her? that is the initially approach her? that is he eweefheh—

initially approach her? that is the question that needs to be answered because, yes, if there were—fewe- were they were having talks going— were they were having talks going freeh— were they were having talks going back months and months and rhehfhe— months during the partygate investigation. _ months during the partygate investigation. g months during the partygate investi th:r ion. g months during the partygate investi th:r g months during the partygate investi th:r 7 “ thing, do you remember? i mean, i don't know if viewers remember plebgate, when andrew plebgate, you know, when andrew mitchell. plebgate, you know, when andrew mitchellaccused of apparently wrongly accused of apparently wrongly. that he wrongly. but the word that he weee:— wrongly. but the word that he weee-ef— wrongly. but the word that he weee-er rwehw- wrongly. but the word that he used,-at rugby-well. wrongly. but the word that he used,-at rugby-well .i used, i was at rugby as well. ahe— used, i was at rugby as well. and fhe— used, i was at rugby as well. and the word— used, i was at rugby as well. and the word that andrew whfehehh— and the word that andrew mitchell used— and the word that andrew mitchell used plebeian eeeerehfhw— mitchell used plebeian eeeerehfhw-ei mitchell used plebeian apparently-a that apparently used was a word that we-hhherehhw— apparently used was a word that we-liberally-we- apparently used was a word that we liberally we were we used liberally when we were at we used liberally when we were ef—hf— we used liberally when we were ef—hf rehe— we used liberally when we were ef—hf rehe free- we used liberally when we were at_it rang true to- we used liberally when we were at it rang true to me at school. so it rang true to me fhef— at school. so it rang true to me fhef he— at school. so it rang true to me that he would— at school. so it rang true to me that he would use— at school. so it rang true to me that he would use that word. yesr_ that he would use that word. fee-wew— that he would use that word. fee-wew-fhef- that he would use that word. . yes,-you-that doesn't yes, but, you know, that doesn't reehhw— yes, but, you know, that doesn't reehhw-eeee— yes, but, you know, that doesn't really-does it? - yes, but, you know, that doesn't really-does it? if- yes, but, you know, that doesn't really does it? �*7 ”hi; really help, does it? if you're fehhhhe— really help, does it? if you're talking about people using the language a public school to language of a public school to talk to. no, no , no, no. it talk to. no, no, no, no. it doesn't help at all.- doesn't help at all. no, i'm her.— doesn't help at all. no, i'm hef. hhh— doesn't help at all. no, i'm her. her hef— doesn't help at all. no, i'm not. i'm not in— doesn't help at all. no, i'm not. i'm not in any way. the were— not. i'm not in any way. the were-hhh— not. i'm not in any way. the were-rm hef- not. i'm not in any way. the word-i'm not in- not. i'm not in any way. the word i'm not in any way word pleb. i'm not in any way eweeerrhhe— word pleb. i'm not in any way supporting andrew mitchell. andrew-e— supporting andrew mitchell. andrew's of andrew's from the other side of the andrew's from the other side of fhe—frerh - andrew's from the other side of fhe—frerh rhel andrew's from the other side of. the—from me, has the debate actually from me, has eerrhee— the debate actually from me, has| carried—reports. carried out a number of reports. she— carried out a number of reports. she hee— carried out a number of reports. she has carried— carried out a number of reports. she has carried them— carried out a number of reports. she has carried them out- carried out a number of reports. she has carried them out with great integrity and decency. she is widely respected . do you know is widely respected. do you know what i is widely respected. do you know whef h fhhhh— is widely respected. do you know what i think is— is widely respected. do you know what i think is .— is widely respected. do you know what i think is . well,— is widely respected. do you know what i think is . well, one- do you know what i think is . well, one more what i think is. well, one more fhhhe— what i think is. well, one more here fhef— what i think is. well, one more here fhef h— what i think is. well, one more thing that i think— what i think is. well, one more thing that i think is worrying ehewf— thing that i think is worrying ehewf fhhe— thing that i think is worrying about this is— thing that i think is worrying about this is keir starmer's eerr— about this is keir starmer's eerf ef— about this is keir starmer's eerf ef wehh— about this is keir starmer's sort of well screwed her over a bit sort of well screwed her over a hhf eeheherehw— sort of well screwed her over a bit completely by— sort of well screwed her over a bit completely by allowing this to bit completely by allowing this fe eer—

bit completely by allowing this he eef hfe— bit completely by allowing this to get into public. ' £ng to get into public. absolutely. her reputation is now tarnished andifs her reputation is now tarnished and it's as a result of her involvement with keir starmer and he should have come out if he wasn't talking to her at a time that it was sensitive to be talking to her. he should have done the honourable thing and cleared her name and said, well, actually i wasn't talking to her. gray above, above her. sue gray is above, above reproach. absolutely fine. reproach. she's absolutely fine. one would that will one would hope that that will come-tomorrow- one would hope that that will come tomorrow in the cabinet come out tomorrow in the cabinet effhee— come out tomorrow in the cabinet office-because— come out tomorrow in the cabinet office-because they- come out tomorrow in the cabinet office because they will office report because they will hewe—hhewl office report because they will- have _ know when have spoken to her. we know when she have spoken to her. we know when ehe-her— have spoken to her. we know when she - her resignation - have spoken to her. we know when she her resignation in she handed her resignation in ehe— she handed her resignation in end hf— she handed her resignation in end hf ehe— she handed her resignation in end hf ehe h— she handed her resignation in and it and i have— she handed her resignation in and it and i have no reason to hehhewe— and it and i have no reason to hehhewe fhef— and it and i have no reason to believe that sue— and it and i have no reason to believe that sue gray is going to believe that sue gray is going fe ferr— believe that sue gray is going to tell untruths_ believe that sue gray is going to tell untruths about when she hewhhe— to tell untruths about when she was having conversations. kettle was having conversations. well, i was having conversations. well, h eeh-f— was having conversations. well, h eeh-f rhe— was having conversations. well, i don't like the— was having conversations. well, i don't like the idea that there may be double standards as there are how these sort of things are treated, double standards . when treated, double standards. when we've seen the cronies, you- we've seen the cronies, you knew:— we've seen the cronies, you knew: whfh— we've seen the cronies, you know, with richard sharpe at the fec— know, with richard sharpe at the hhc: dodgy— know, with richard sharpe at the hee, dodgy feere— know, with richard sharpe at the bbc, dodgy deals for peerages , bbc, dodgy deals for peerages, wehf— bbc, dodgy deals for peerages, wehf whfhh— bbc, dodgy deals for peerages, wait until we— bbc, dodgy deals for peerages, wait until we get,— bbc, dodgy deals for peerages, wait until we get, you know, liz hrwee— wait until we get, you know, liz hrwee herew— wait until we get, you know, liz truss period. and— wait until we get, you know, liz truss period. and we still heweh-f— truss period. and we still haven't seen— truss period. and we still haven't seen boris johnson . haven't seen boris johnson. wehf.— haven't seen boris johnson. wehf-ef— haven't seen boris johnson. wehf-efhe— haven't seen boris johnson. well,-of the things- haven't seen boris johnson. well,-of the things thatl haven't seen boris johnson. well, of the things that was well, one of the things that was just talking about cronyism , i just talking about cronyism, i it interesting to it was really interesting to me

that there rumours that that there was rumours that certain mps proposing certain tory mps were proposing that boris that they accelerate boris johnson's list. so that johnson's honours list. so that they could pack the house of lords more conservative lords with more conservative peers get the peers so they could get the illegal bill through illegal migration bill through with . yeah, with less opposition. yeah, well, that is sleaze . well, that's that is sleaze. beyond assuming it's true . that beyond assuming it's true. that was a rumour. that was a rumour . iwant was a rumour. that was a rumour . i want to know what our viewers-think- . i want to know what our. viewers-think about viewers at home think about he.— viewers at home think about fhheleewee— viewers at home think about this. course, we're supposed this. of course, we're supposed to this. of course, we're supposed felfehhhhe— this. of course, we're supposed to.talking about— this. of course, we're supposed to talking about keir to be talking about keir sferrhere— to be talking about keir starmers make to be talking about keir- starmers-make labour. starmers plans to make labour. referr— starmers plans to make labour. rehewr fhe— starmers plans to make labour. rehewr rhe eerrw— starmers plans to make labour. labour the party of home eweerehhre— labour the party of home ownership, but- labour the party of home ownership, but instead he's got fhhe— ownership, but instead he's got fhhe hanging— ownership, but instead he's got this hanging over— ownership, but instead he's got this hanging over his head. ian eewe— this hanging over his head. ian eewe-ehewhe- this hanging over his head. ian says-should sue- this hanging over his head. ian says should sue gray be says not only should sue gray be hheehee— says not only should sue gray be hheehee frerh — says not only should sue gray be blocked from joining the labour petite— blocked from joining the labour party, investigation party, her investigation into herhe— party, her investigation into boris-should- party, her investigation into boris-should be. boris johnson should be immediately— boris johnson should be immediately declared null and wehf— immediately declared null and wehf ewe— immediately declared null and void due-bias.— immediately declared null and void due bias. you can't say void due to bias. you can't say fhef— void due to bias. you can't say fhef fhere— void due to bias. you can't say that there was— void due to bias. you can't say that there was no— void due to bias. you can't say that there was no bias though. wew— that there was no bias though. wew eh— that there was no bias though. how can we possibly say that new— how can we possibly say that fhef-e— how can we possibly say that now? that's the— how can we possibly say that now? that's the thing. we can't rehe— now? that's the thing. we can't rwhelewf. — now? that's the thing. we can't rulelout. richard— now? that's the thing. we can't rule out. richard says rule it out. richard says hheerfheh— rule it out. richard says impartial reality rules don't apply— impartial reality rules don'ti apply—intolerant apply to the nasty, intolerant party— apply to the nasty, intolerant eerrw—whe- apply to the nasty, intolerant eerrw—whe fhewi party they appoint who they wehf. — party they appoint who they want. anthony— party they appoint who they want. anthony says no one, hhehwehhe— want. anthony says no one, including sue _ want. anthony says no one, including sue gray, should be erewehfee— including sue gray, should be prevented joining the prevented from joining the referr— prevented from joining the wew-.— prevented from joining the labour . solution prevented from joining the. labour-.-solution is labour party. the solution is eeh-f— labour party. the solution is don't-labour- labour party. the solution is don't labour well, there don't vote. labour well, there you— don't vote. labour well, there wew-fee— don't vote. labour well, there wew-fee feerre- don't vote. labour well, there you yes, people can just you go. yes, people can just eeehee— you go. yes, people can just decide whether— you go. yes, people can just decide whether they like the ehehh— decide whether they like the ehehh ef— decide whether they like the

smell of this— decide whether they like the smell of this choice and choose hew— smell of this choice and choose hew fhew— smell of this choice and choose how they accordingly. and how they vote accordingly. and ferre— how they vote accordingly. and fwehhe-swe — how they vote accordingly. and yvonne-sue -is- yvonne says sue gray is eefhhhfehw— yvonne says sue gray is definitely not- yvonne says sue gray is definitely not impeccable. she has definitely not impeccable. she hee ehewh— definitely not impeccable. she has shown her— definitely not impeccable. she has shown her true colours . i has shown her true colours. i hewe— has shown her true colours. i hewe he— has shown her true colours. i have no faith— has shown her true colours. i have no faith in— has shown her true colours. i have no faith in her report . she have no faith in her report. she is have no faith in her report. she he-ereehhhe— have no faith in her report. she he-ereehhhe .— have no faith in her report. she is-credible . well,- have no faith in her report. she is credible . well, well, is not credible. well, well, here— is not credible. well, well, here wew— is not credible. well, well, here wew 90- — is not credible. well, well, there you go. mixed reviews, rheefhw— there you go. mixed reviews, heefhw ehfh — there you go. mixed reviews, mostly anti keir— there you go. mixed reviews, mostly anti keir starmer. i weere— mostly anti keir starmer. i weere eew.— mostly anti keir starmer. i weere eew. h— mostly anti keir starmer. i would say. i would say people do her— would say. i would say people do fhhhh hee— would say. i would say people do think he's shifty— would say. i would say people do think he's shifty in— would say. i would say people do think he's shifty in the slightest. _ think he's shifty in the slightest. i- think he's shifty in the slightest. “ : slightest. i mean, i would expect that from from our lovely viewers from the majority of the viewers from the majority of the viewers don't like keir starmer . right. let's see if anybody will come back in. but i do think, you know, to impugn the integrity of a woman who has got a track record, which is admire and respected on all sides of the political spectrum , but the political spectrum, but surely, joe, she could have forced seen these questions when she decided she was going to accept the job. and, you know, maybe she has. she i will be proved wrong. but i am absolutely sure that she will have answered the questions in the same way that she would expect people to answer any questions she asked. i questions that she asked. i think partygate her

think actually partygate the her report johnson off report let boris johnson off very lightly. well, there we go. let very lightly. well, there we go. ref-hhew— very lightly. well, there we go. let. know what _ very lightly. well, there we go. let. know what you - rtg . 3 well, there we go. let know what you think at let me know what you think at heme—wew- let me know what you think at home _you think. let me know what you think at home you think the home to that. do you think the referr— home to that. do you think the report partygate— home to that. do you think the report partygate report let herhe— report partygate report let boris johnson— report partygate report let boris johnson off lightly ? boris johnson off too lightly? wehf.— boris johnson off too lightly? well,-certainly- boris johnson off too lightly? well, certainly not prime well, he's certainly not prime whhhefer— well, he's certainly not prime minister anymore. we'll see minister anymore. so we'll see wher— minister anymore. so we'll see whef-eee.— minister anymore. so we'll see what-see, what- minister anymore. so we'll see what see, what people what people see, what people at heme— what people see, what people at heme-eewhhe— what people see, what people at heme-eewhhg .— what people see, what people at home-saying . yes,- what people see, what people at home saying . yes, don't home are saying. yes, don't wheef— home are saying. yes, don't weeef ree— home are saying. yes, don't weeef ree fee— home are saying. yes, don't upset joe too much, though . but upset joe too much, though. but eehhhe— upset joe too much, though. but eehhhe-ehewhe— upset joe too much, though. but coming should public sector coming up, should public sector werereh— coming up, should public sector werhere-fhe— coming up, should public sector workers-the same- coming up, should public sector workers the same pay for workers get the same pay for werhhhg— workers get the same pay for working fewer— workers get the same pay for working fewer hours? one lib dem run working fewer hours? one lib dem eewhehh— working fewer hours? one lib dem eewhehh he— working fewer hours? one lib dem run council is going— working fewer hours? one lib dem run council is going to allow her— run council is going to allow their employees— run council is going to allow their employees to work four fewe— their employees to work four eewe e— their employees to work four eewe e week.— their employees to work four days a week, with no days a week, but with no reewefheh— days a week, but with no reduction including reduction in pay, including hhhfheh— reduction in pay, including hhhrheh .—

radio. . iwelcome radio. - iwelcome back feehe. — l welcome back to feehe. — . welcome back to dewbs& radio. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, . welcome back to dewbs& co with ehe—heehhhg— me, emily carver, keeping me eerreerw— me, emily carver, keeping me eerreerwleereh- me, emily carver, keeping me company. panel, joe phillips company. my panel, joe phillips and company. my panel, joe phillips ehe eeh— company. my panel, joe phillips and ben habib._ company. my panel, joe phillips and ben habib. thank you for joining— and ben habib. thank you for joining rhe— and ben habib. thank you for joining he hh— and ben habib. thank you for joining me in the— and ben habib. thank you for joining me in the studio. not hwehhheherh— joining me in the studio. not buckingham palace this evening, but buckingham palace this evening, hwf wew-hh— buckingham palace this evening, her wew-hr he— buckingham palace this evening, but you'll be there, i'm but you'll be in there, i'm ef— but you'll be in there, i'm sure, at some— but you'll be in there, i'm sure, at some point. why not? hwerwehe— sure, at some point. why not? hwerwehe ehee— sure, at some point. why not? everyone else is.— sure, at some point. why not? everyone else is. everyone else eere— everyone else is. everyone else erere-wew— everyone else is. everyone else gets- now someone. everyone else is. everyone else gets now someone just gets a chance. now someone just wrere— gets a chance. now someone just wrefe fe— gets a chance. now someone just wrefe he he— gets a chance. now someone just wrefe he he eh— gets a chance. now someone just wrote to me on twitter, jay, rehe— wrote to me on twitter, jay,| weree—w-re jane, morgan, jane, if you're wefehhe— jane, morgan, jane, if you're

wefehhe-rhe- jane, morgan, jane, if you're. watching,-me laugh. jane, morgan, jane, if you're- watching,-me laugh. she watching, you made me laugh. she eewe— watching, you made me laugh. she says, confession— watching, you made me laugh. she says, confession time play says, confession time i play heme— says, confession time i play trump ehee— says, confession time i play trump bingo when nigel farage erg trump bingo when nigel farage free-eh.— trump bingo when nigel farage rheleh few— trump bingo when nigel farage erg-on. you can— trump bingo when nigel farage erg on. you can tell nigel is erg is on. you can tell nigel is a erg is on. you can tell nigel is e fer— erg is on. you can tell nigel is e feh ef— erg is on. you can tell nigel is e feh ef fhe— erg is on. you can tell nigel is a fan of the donald. this was, of course, because— a fan of the donald. this was, of course, because joe that of course, because joe said that feerre— of course, because joe said that eeeehe ee— of course, because joe said that eeeehe ehewhhe— of course, because joe said that people are playing boris bingo wher— people are playing boris bingo wheh ehe-e— people are playing boris bingo when she's on.— people are playing boris bingo when she's on. _ people are playing boris bingo when she's on. l people are playing boris bingo when she's on. c ft: people are playing boris bingo when she's on. c eh: when she's on. it's one lady who tweeted last week and she said, -—— tweeted “ft week, mf�* she “4 —— —— —— always mentioned boris i always mentioned boris johnson. you do? you managed to get him into every squeeze him into every every conversation. but, you know , strong felix and but, you know, strong felix and we rhe— but, you know, strong felix and we hhhe fhef— but, you know, strong felix and we like that on— but, you know, strong felix and we like that on this programme, on we like that on this programme, eh swe— we like that on this programme, eh see erew. — we like that on this programme, eh see erew. rehhw— we like that on this programme, on sue gray. jenny says the fact fhef— on sue gray. jenny says the fact fhef swe— on sue gray. jenny says the fact fhef see erew— on sue gray. jenny says the fact that sue gray left— on sue gray. jenny says the fact that sue gray left the same day ehe— that sue gray left the same day ehe heheee— that sue gray left the same day she handed her— that sue gray left the same day she handed her notice in leaked referr— she handed her notice in leaked rehewr herew— she handed her notice in leaked rehewr rerfw .— she handed her notice in leaked labour party , leaked her labour party, leaked her appointment— labour party, leaked her appointment before she handed her hefhee— appointment before she handed her notice in.— appointment before she handed her notice in. it— appointment before she handed her notice in. it is— appointment before she handed her notice in. it is obviously fhef— her notice in. it is obviously fhef referr— her notice in. it is obviously that labour was— her notice in. it is obviously that labour was talking her that labour was talking to her whhhe— that labour was talking to her whhhe-eewhhe- that labour was talking to her whhhe-eewhhe .- that labour was talking to her while serving . otherwise while she was serving. otherwise why— while she was serving. otherwise whw-ehe— while she was serving. otherwise whw-ehe here— while she was serving. otherwise why-she hand her- while she was serving. otherwise why she hand her notice in why would she hand her notice in when— why would she hand her notice in weer-reeke— why would she hand her notice in upon-leak? fine— why would she hand her notice in upon leak? fine howard says. upon the leak? fine howard says. eeh-f— upon the leak? fine howard says. ceh-f hehhewe— upon the leak? fine howard says. can't believe none— upon the leak? fine howard says. can't believe none of you have rhehfhehee— can't believe none of you have mentioned beer,— can't believe none of you have mentioned beer, starmer and heereefe— mentioned beer, starmer and heereere. fee.— mentioned beer, starmer and beergate. yes, ben , you've beergate. yes, ben, you've let us beergate. yes, ben, you've let we-he— beergate. yes, ben, you've let we-he eer— beergate. yes, ben, you've let we-he eef ewew- beergate. yes, ben, you've let us he got away with the us down. he got away with the referr— us down. he got away with the rehewr herew— us down. he got away with the labour party and— us down. he got away with the labour party and rayner couldn't even remember— labour party and rayner couldn't even remember if— labour party and rayner couldn't even remember if she was there or even remember if she was there er hef. — even remember if she was there er hef. fee.— even remember if she was there or not. yes, there's— even remember if she was there or not. yes, there's a lot of amnesia, isn't— or not. yes, there's a lot of amnesia, isn't there? but he fhef-f— amnesia, isn't there? but he fhef-f ger— amnesia, isn't there? but he fhef-f eee e— amnesia, isn't there? but he didn't get a fixed penalty notice. and think that's the

notice. and i think that's the defining isn't it? defining difference, isn't it? bods defining difference, isn't it? boris got a not sadly , he boris sadly got a not sadly, he got a fixed penalty notice. he did. lucky. that's all he did. he was lucky. that's all he got did. he was lucky. that's all he eef fheee— did. he was lucky. that's all he got these fixed— did. he was lucky. that's all he got these fixed penalty- r: r: rt rte/g that's all he got these fixed penalty notices are got these fixed penalty notices reef— got these fixed penalty notices are just ridiculous. . are just ridiculous. anyway, we're going to move on from sue gray. keir starmer and boris johnson and party and partygate and everything like that . should and everything like that. should we accept that our council taxes are going up but public sector staff, council workers , their staff, council workers, their hours are going down in some councils have been accused of introducing an idlers charter. that's what jacob rees—mogg called it. they let all desk based employees reduce their working hours by 20% for the next year without any loss of pay- next year without any loss of pay. local authorities insist that a pilot project has been a great success and they have even extended it to binmen . it sounds extended it to binmen. it sounds like they've been marking their own homework. they're a bit. ben well, local authority votes to work . it's an extraordinary work less. it's an extraordinary . ehee— work less. it's an extraordinary . ohee hh— work less. it's an extraordinary . once he e— work less. it's an extraordinary . once in a while— work less. it's an extraordinary . once in a while a— it's an extraordinary . once in a while a story comes erere— . once in a while a story comes ehehe er— . once in a while a story comes ehehe er e— . once in a while a story comes along er e eehhew— . once in a while a story comes along or a policy change. a new hew— along or a policy change. a new law comes along— along or a policy change. a new law comes along which absolutely rhehee— law comes along which absolutely rhehee fhe— law comes along which absolutely makes the hair— law comes along which absolutely makes the hair on— law comes along which absolutely makes the hair on the back of wew— makes the hair on the back of wew reek—

makes the hair on the back of your neck stand— makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up and here we ahe— your neck stand up and here we ahe fhe— your neck stand up and here we are. and the cost— your neck stand up and here we are. and the cost of— your neck stand up and here we are. and the cost of living erhehe— are. and the cost of living erhehe he— are. and the cost of living crisis is people- are. and the cost of living crisis is people finding it hhereehhhw— crisis is people finding it incredibly make ends incredibly hard to make ends freer.— incredibly hard to make ends freer-few— incredibly hard to make ends meet.-tax and- incredibly hard to make ends meet. tax and this meet. council tax and in this case, cambridgeshire's council meet. council tax and in this casriscambridgeshire's council meet. council tax and in this casris upnbridgeshire's council meet. council tax and in this casris up 5% dgeshire's council meet. council tax and in this casris up 5% thisrhire's council meet. council tax and in this casris up 5% this year; council meet. council tax and in this casris up 5% this year andincil meet. council tax and in this casris up 5% this year and their tax is up 5% this year and their effeefhwe— tax is up 5% this year and their effective albie_ tax is up 5% this year and their effective albie giving people a 20%— effective albie giving people a 20% increase— effective albie giving people a 20% increase in— effective albie giving people a 20% increase in pay through the freeh— 20% increase in pay through the heck feer— 20% increase in pay through the heck eeer hw— 20% increase in pay through the back door by not— 20% increase in pay through the back door by not requiring them to back door by not requiring them he wew— back door by not requiring them he werh ef— back door by not requiring them he werh ef e— back door by not requiring them to work at a time— back door by not requiring them to work at a time when there are few— to work at a time when there are few fewer— to work at a time when there are few fewer people— to work at a time when there are few fewer people in— to work at a time when there are few fewer people in employment fheh— few fewer people in employment fheh fhew— few fewer people in employment fheh fhew eer— few fewer people in employment than they ever have been. 5.9 hhhfheh— than they ever have been. 5.9 million people— than they ever have been. 5.9 million people on— than they ever have been. 5.9 million people on universal creehf— million people on universal creehf .— million people on universal creehf . fhe— million people on universal credit . the economy is credit. the economy is stuttering. _ credit. the economy is stuttering. it- credit. the economy is stuttering. it doesn't pay to werh. — stuttering. it doesn't pay to werh. ahe— stuttering. it doesn't pay to work. and these— stuttering. it doesn't pay to work. and these people are being rhehhweeeehee.— work. and these people are being mollycoddled. sent home in an ever more socialist sort of way of ever more socialist sort of way ef fhhhhhhe— ever more socialist sort of way of thinking that,— ever more socialist sort of way of thinking that, you know, you he— of thinking that, you know, you he paid— of thinking that, you know, you can be paid 20%— of thinking that, you know, you can be paid 20% more to stay at heme.— can be paid 20% more to stay at herhe. ahe— can be paid 20% more to stay at herhe. ahe wew— can be paid 20% more to stay at home. and you know what it is? it home. and you know what it is? hf he— home. and you know what it is? hf he eh— home. and you know what it is? it is an admission— home. and you know what it is? it is an admission that they weere— it is an admission that they weren't working— it is an admission that they weren't working hard enough in the weren't working hard enough in he fhef— weren't working hard enough in the first place. _ weren't working hard enough in the first place. well, yes. and if the first place. well, yes. and hf fhew-we— the first place. well, yes. and hf rhew-we eer— the first place. well, yes. and hf rhew-we eer e— the first place. well, yes. and if they've got a free day on her— if they've got a free day on their hands,— if they've got a free day on their hands, they can roll their eheewee— their hands, they can roll their eheewee-ee— their hands, they can roll their sleeves-do-other| sleeves up and do some other wew— sleeves up and do some other werh hhefeee— sleeves up and do some other work instead sitting at home work instead of sitting at home wefehhhe— work instead of sitting at home wefehhhe-h— work instead of sitting at home watching-i mean,- watching netflix. i mean, i fhhhh— watching netflix. i mean, i fhhhh hfe— watching netflix. i mean, i think it's an— watching netflix. i mean, i think it's an absolute outrage fhef— think it's an absolute outrage that particularly— think it's an absolute outrage that particularly in any environment,- that particularly in any environment, particularly in environment, but particularly in this environment,— environment, but particularly in this environment, they should be ehhewee—ehe-

allowed to stay at home and rhehhfehh— allowed to stay at home and maintain their— allowed to stay at home and maintain their pay. i cannot begin— maintain their pay. i cannot heehh fe— maintain their pay. i cannot begin to understand what's going fhreweh— begin to understand what's going fhreweh fhe— begin to understand what's going through the minds— begin to understand what's going through the minds of people who eheee— through the minds of people who eheee fhhe— through the minds of people who made this decision. also immediately— made this decision. also immediately ,_ made this decision. also immediately , there are concerns immediately, there are concerns that that, well, does that mean we're going to have less rubbish pickups or does that mean that phones aren't going to be manned on fridays? we already know that council workers have been very slow to get back to the office as it is. several things here. ehe— as it is. several things here. one he— as it is. several things here. one he fhe— as it is. several things here. one is the binmen- c several things here. one is the binmen is only a consideration— one is the binmen is only a consideration by— one is the binmen is only a consideration by cambridgeshire cewhfw— consideration by cambridgeshire county council— consideration by cambridgeshire county council ,_ consideration by cambridgeshire county council , i— consideration by cambridgeshire county council , i believe on county council, i believe on hhwreeew— county council, i believe on thursday there— county council, i believe on thursday there are local eheefhere— thursday there are local elections. if— thursday there are local elections. if people don't like he— elections. if people don't like he fhew— elections. if people don't like this, they have— elections. if people don't like this, they have the opportunity to this, they have the opportunity he eerehee— this, they have the opportunity to exercise their— this, they have the opportunity to exercise their democratic rhghf. — to exercise their democratic right, providing— to exercise their democratic right, providing they've got photo— right, providing they've got ehefe he.— right, providing they've got photo id, which is another thing we eerhe— photo id, which is another thing we eerhe ger— photo id, which is another thing we could get furious about and wee— we could get furious about and were erehehhw— we could get furious about and we'd probably agree on. and they can we'd probably agree on. and they were— we'd probably agree on. and they were fer— we'd probably agree on. and they were fer e— we'd probably agree on. and they can vote for a different council so can vote for a different council ee feerre— can vote for a different council ee eeeehe eh— can vote for a different council so people can make their own hhhfhe— so people can make their own hhhee we— so people can make their own hhhee we hf— so people can make their own minds up if they— so people can make their own minds up if they don't like it. here— minds up if they don't like it. hhere hee— minds up if they don't like it. there has been— minds up if they don't like it. there has been quite an efehehwe— there has been quite an extensive experiment across the feere— extensive experiment across the feed. frerh — extensive experiment across the board, from start— extensive experiment across the board, from start ups to big hwehheee— board, from start ups to big hwehheee fe— board, from start ups to big business to the—

board, from start ups to big business to the royal biological seehefw— business to the royal biological seehefw ehe— business to the royal biological seeherw ehe e— business to the royal biological society and a whole range of efher— society and a whole range of efher fhhhee— society and a whole range of other things about four day weeke— other things about four day weehe ehe— other things about four day weeks and what they over whehrhhhe— weeks and what they over whelming we— weeks and what they over whelming we found was that ereewefhwhfw— whelming we found was that productivity went up and ehehheee— productivity went up and sickness absence dropped by two fhhree. — sickness absence dropped by two fhhree. se— sickness absence dropped by two thirds. so fine— sickness absence dropped by two thirds. so fine move— sickness absence dropped by two thirds. �*7 ” thirds. so fine move to a four day week, pay them 80% of what they were earning . why? why why they were earning. why? why why would why hang on. neither of you would why hang on. neither of wew knew.— would why hang on. neither of you know, unless— would why hang on. neither of you know, unless you're- : “t“; neither of you know, unless you're going : “tr“; neither of you know, unless you're going to eerree— you know, unless you're going to correct me now, whether they're eerhhhhhhe— correct me now, whether they're eerhhhhhhe fhe— correct me now, whether they're combining the hours into the few— combining the hours into the few fewe— combining the hours into the four days instead of spreading. hhew-re— four days instead of spreading. hhew-re ref. — four days instead of spreading. hhew-re her. we.— four days instead of spreading. they're not. no, they're- they're not. no, they're forgiving 20% of their working hours interpretation. well, that's what the policy says. it's working hours. whether fhef-e— it's working hours. whether fhef-e few— it's working hours. whether that's four days— it's working hours. whether that's four days a week or whefher— that's four days a week or whether it's— that's four days a week or whether it's extended lunch six hewre— whether it's extended lunch six hewre e— whether it's extended lunch six hewre e eew— whether it's extended lunch six hours a day instead of eight, i eeh-f— hours a day instead of eight, i reef-.— hours a day instead of eight, i eeh-f-. hf— hours a day instead of eight, i eeh-f-. hf fhew— hours a day instead of eight, i don't . it may depend on the don't know. it may depend on the rehe— don't know. it may depend on the ehe-fhe— don't know. it may depend on the role,-the problem— don't know. it may depend on the role,-the problem is,- don't know. it may depend on the role, the problem is, is role, but the problem is, is fhef— role, but the problem is, is that councils— role, but the problem is, is that councils need be five be that councils need to be five be working— that councils need to be five be working, functioning five days a week.— working, functioning five days a week. h— working, functioning five days a week. h freeh— working, functioning five days a week. i mean, many times week. i mean, how many times hewe— week. i mean, how many times hewe-frheee— week. i mean, how many times hewe-frheee h— week. i mean, how many times have tried? i mean, have you tried? i mean, maybe feerre— have you tried? i mean, maybe eeehhe-hewe- have you tried? i mean, maybe people-have done- have you tried? i mean, maybe people have done this. people at home have done this. when— people at home have done this. when-hw— people at home have done this. when-frw fe— people at home have done this. when-try to call— people at home have done this. when try to call council when you try to call the council for when you try to call the council fer eerrefhhe— when you try to call the council for something, don't know for something, i don't know whefher— for something, i don't know

whether it's— for something, i don't know whether it's a— for something, i don't know whether it's a bin delivery or wee— whether it's a bin delivery or weere frwhhe— whether it's a bin delivery or weere rrwhhe fe— whether it's a bin delivery or you're trying to pay your eeehehh— you're trying to pay your council-you- you're trying to pay your council you can't council tax and you can't do it ehhhhe— council tax and you can't do it eerhe—er- council tax and you can't do it. online_or another online for one reason or another ehe— online for one reason or another ehe wee— online for one reason or another ehe wee eeh-f— online for one reason or another ehe wee eeh-r eer— online for one reason or another and you can't get through. wehf.— and you can't get through. well, actually,— and you can't get through. well, actually, i— and you can't get through. well, actually, i don't- and you can't get through. well, actually, i don't even know what councils do, actually. they whole they just they just levy a whole load charges on us. what they load of charges on us. what they do is load of charges on us. what they he he fhew— load of charges on us. what they he he fhew ee— load of charges on us. what they do is they do trials— load of charges on us. what they do is they do trials like- : t; rt:r“ cwtr what they do is they do trials like this, fheee— do is they do trials like this, these trials— do is they do trials like this, these trials like— do is they do trials like this, these trials like this. i think, you— these trials like this. i think, wee knew.— these trials like this. i think, wee hhew. h— these trials like this. i think, you know, i actually am a great supporter government you know, i actually am a great supjlrrter government you know, i actually am a great supjl think government you know, i actually am a great supjl think it's government you know, i actually am a great supjl think it's really,ernment you know, i actually am a great supjl think it's really, reallynt and i think it's really, really badly maligned. and i have this ereerhehf— badly maligned. and i have this ereerhehf whfh— badly maligned. and i have this argument with michelle- : r;“tr: and i have this argument with michelle all the free— argument with michelle all the hhere—hef- argument with michelle all thei time—not vote. time because she will not vote. she— time because she will not vote. she-hf— time because she will not vote. ehe-hf hh— time because she will not vote. ehe-hf hh fhe— time because she will not vote. she-it in the local- she says it in the local elections— she says it in the local elections thursday. elections on thursday. local eewerhrhehf— elections on thursday. local government in government touches our lives in wewe— government touches our lives in wewe-eehfreh— government touches our lives in ways central government ways that central government wehf.— ways that central government wehh—feeeh- ways that central government well,_touch us. ways that central government. well,_touch us 20% well, it's going to touch us 20% he— well, it's going to touch us 20% heee hh— well, it's going to touch us 20% less in cambridgeshire. �*rferrrtcc c less in cambridgeshire. well, it may— less in cambridgeshire. well, it hew-hef— less in cambridgeshire. well, it hew-her hf— less in cambridgeshire. well, it may-but if that— less in cambridgeshire. well, it may but if that means that may be, but if that means that they can recruit and retain more . so come on. no, come on, please, joe, please. i really . please, joe, please. i really. you know, how can you pay someone the same amount of money and require them to work 20% less? can you have people coming into work who are taking time off but not sufficiently a length of time that they need to have a doctor's note or something the odd couple of days or there's a problem with, you know, you've got that

absenteeism which causes huge problems if you've got people who are working because they can organise their work life balance. now , you know, i know balance. now, you know, i know eeeehe— balance. now, you know, i know eeeehe laugh— balance. now, you know, i know eeeehe laugh ef— balance. now, you know, i know people laugh at it— t now, you know, i know people laugh at it and they fhhhh— people laugh at it and they fhhhh hfe— people laugh at it and they fhhhh hf-e e— people laugh at it and they think it's a load— people laugh at it and they think it's a load of old nonsense— think it's a load of old nonsense and- think it's a load of old nonsense and wokery if you've got nonsense and wokery if you've eer hee.— nonsense and wokery if you've eer heelwee-we— nonsense and wokery if you've got kids, you've got elderly got kids, if you've got elderly rehefhwee— got kids, if you've got elderly relatives, if— got kids, if you've got elderly relatives, if you've got other response abilities, yeah, it'd be response abilities, yeah, it'd he ereef. — response abilities, yeah, it'd he ereef. h— response abilities, yeah, it'd be great. i would- response abilities, yeah, it'd be great. : be great. i would you know, i think most people would like to work or have an extremely work less or have an extremely flexible job, but you have to make a sacrifice if you want that, don't you? you have to choose a part time job. you have to work for yourself. and you have to work for yourself. and you hewe wee— to work for yourself. and you hewe weere ef— to work for yourself. and you have you're at liberty- and you have you're at liberty to do fhef.— have you're at liberty to do fhef. — have you're at liberty to do that. whereas— have you're at liberty to do that. rt.rt:r. “rt . �*7 that. whereas council jobs, if they are required to be five days week and they should be, days a week and they should be, really, why would you do really, then why would you do this? to me that this this? it seems to me that this is totally an ideological pursuit the liberal pursuit from the liberal democrats because think democrats because they think that only have that everyone should only have to mean, ultimately, one to work. i mean, ultimately, one of the reasons that people have been reluctor back to been reluctor want to go back to work after lockdown and furlough and everything is because and everything else is because of flexing ability that it of the flexing ability that it gave them. we have talked on

fhhe— gave them. we have talked on fhhe ereererhrhe— gave them. we have talked on this programme on— ; we have talked on this programme on many occasions eheef— this programme on many occasions eheef-ef— this programme on many occasions eheef-ef ehhff— this programme on many occasions about-of child care. - about the cost of child care. hhe— about the cost of child care. the ultimate— about the cost of child care. the ultimate direction- about the cost of child care. the ultimate direction travel the ultimate direction of travel of kind of way thinking of this kind of way of thinking is staying at home and is everyone staying at home and not working and the state basically handing out benefits and everything being wealth redistribution , you know what, redistribution, you know what, if sort of most ambitious if any, sort of most ambitious people know what they do? people do you know what they do? they take their 100% pay for werhhhe — they take their 100% pay for werhhhe-eewe— they take their 100% pay for working days and then they working four days and then they get working four days and then they eer—hhere- working four days and then they get—that's what- get anotherjob. that's what i weere— get anotherjob. that's what i would-that's— get anotherjob. that's what i would that's what i would would do. that's what i would do. would do. that's what i would hfe-ee— would do. that's what i would hfe-eh. ahe- would do. that's what i would do.-do. and then- would do. that's what i would do. do. and then i'd be do. i would do. and then i'd be rhehhhe— do. i would do. and then i'd be rhehhhe 120,— do. i would do. and then i'd be rhehhhe hee-ef— do. i would do. and then i'd be making 120, of what i was making 120, 130% of what i was eerhhhe— making 120, 130% of what i was earning cocker_ making 120, 130% of what i was earning cocker snoop at the eefhhhfehw— earning cocker snoop at the definitely-that- earning cocker snoop at the definitely-that .- earning cocker snoop at the definitely that . you know, definitely do that. you know, you— definitely do that. you know, wee eeehe— definitely do that. you know, wee eeehe eer— definitely do that. you know, you could get a— definitely do that. you know, you could get a job ubering ereehe— you could get a job ubering ereehe fer— you could get a job ubering around for-day- you could get a job ubering around for day or doing around for that day or doing eerhefhhhe— around for that day or doing something starting your around for that day or doing somrbusiness, starting your around for that day or doing somrbusiness, workingig your around for that day or doing somrbusiness, working ing ur around for that day or doing somrbusiness, working ing when own business, working ing when fhew-re—fhere- they're supposed to be there hhefeee— they're supposed to be there hhefeee-e- they're supposed to be there instead-a day- they're supposed to be there instead a day off. instead of taking a day off. vee— instead of taking a day off. hee knew.— instead of taking a day off. you know, you've— instead of taking a day off. you know, you've worked in business long enough, ben, and i'm sure you don't tolerate it, but i have worked in organisations where it's very easy somebody somebody's off easy if somebody somebody's off sick there's problem with sick or there's a problem with the or they've got go the kids or they've got to go early or this, that and the other, actually they're so other, and actually they're so unprepared active, might unprepared, active, they might as there . so if you as well not be there. so if you actually say to people , right, actually say to people, right, you four days a week, but

you do four days a week, but then not worry about the then why not worry about the bigger implication of this on the economy? we know lots of in here— the economy? we know lots of in hefe ef— the economy? we know lots of in hefe ef fewhe— the economy? we know lots of in lots of towns and— the economy? we know lots of in lots of towns and cities- tt“«r7’ we know lots of in lots of towns and cities in this eeerfrw— lots of towns and cities in this eeehfrw. fhe— lots of towns and cities in this country, the public sector is erewehhe— country, the public sector is erewehhg eer— country, the public sector is crowding out the private sector. if crowding out the private sector. hf wee— crowding out the private sector. hf weere making— crowding out the private sector. if you're making these jobs, even more cushty and they're efhhh— even more cushty and they're erhhh eerhee— even more cushty and they're still getting the— even more cushty and they're still getting the same pay for werhhhe— still getting the same pay for working heee.— still getting the same pay for working less, what what hope is here— working less, what what hope is hhere-feerre— working less, what what hope is there people start? there for people to start? wee-we — there for people to start? wee-we lfhe — there for people to start? you've-the nail- there for people to start? you've the nail the there for people to start?- you've.the nail-the head. you've hit the nail on the head. sferfhhg— you've hit the nail on the head. starting businesses, the public eeeerf —hehhl starting businesses, the public sector. _nail on| sector. you've hit the nail on the head. public sector. the head. the public sector. i feel like i've been by my. feel like i've been told by my. but sector is no but the public sector is no longer a guardian the private longer a guardian of the private sector. public sector is in sector. the public sector is in competition with the private sector. it's in competition with it talent. it's in it for talent. it's in competition with for employees. it's in competition with the private for capital. private sector for capital. well, that's why it's taxing the hell the private sector. hell out of the private sector. that's it needs interest that's why it needs interest rates down, because wants to rates down, because it wants to be borrow cheaply. so it be able to borrow cheaply. so it can all its state can do all its state interventionist policies , interventionist policies, including like including ridiculous ones like this , paying people 20% more for this, paying people 20% more for less work. it makes no sense. it makes absolutely no sense. but let's see. lots of people have heee— let's see. lots of people have been eerhee— let's see. lots of people have been getting in— let's see. lots of people have been getting in touch. i think

he— been getting in touch. i think fhhe fhhe— been getting in touch. i think this this anger— been getting in touch. i think this this anger is— been getting in touch. i think this this anger is quite a lot of this this anger is quite a lot ef-eefeehhw.- this this anger is quite a lot of actually, bernard of people, actually, bernard eehe— of people, actually, bernardi said—should of people, actually, bernard- said_should not said council councils should not hewe— said council councils should not hewe-fe— said council councils should not hewe-fe here- said council councils should not have to make working have the power to make working heere— have the power to make working heere-whfh— have the power to make working hours-with public- hours decisions with public rhehew — hours decisions with public rhehew ieewe— hours decisions with public rhehew ieewe hf- hours decisions with public money. says if councils are money. ian says if councils are eehe— money. ian says if councils are eehe fe— money. ian says if councils are going fe-fhehr- money. ian says if councils are going to their working going to reduce their working heee— going to reduce their working heee fheh— going to reduce their working hours, then perhaps should going to reduce their working houtless.an perhaps should going to reduce their working houtless. councilips should going to reduce their working houtless. councilips goodruld pay less. council tax. good pointe— pay less. council tax. good eehhf.—eereei pay less. council tax. goodi eehe—eeree . pay less. council tax. good- hehhf.—egree . ref point, robert says. i agree. let her— point, robert says. i agree. let her wew— point, robert says. i agree. let them work four— point, robert says. i agree. let them work four days a week, but at them work four days a week, but ef-eewe— them work four days a week, but ef-eewe ef— them work four days a week, but at-days at least- them work four days a week, but at-days at least we- them work four days a week, but at days at least we will at 12 hour days at least we will get at 12 hour days at least we will eer here— at 12 hour days at least we will get more bucks— at 12 hour days at least we will get more bucks for— at 12 hour days at least we will get more bucks for our pounds. hef— get more bucks for our pounds. her-hrehherh— get more bucks for our pounds. but-problem is,— get more bucks for our pounds. but-problem is, is- get more bucks for our pounds. but problem is, is we need but the problem is, is we need wereew— but the problem is, is we need feerew-freew— but the problem is, is we need monday friday, don't we? for monday to friday, don't we? for freer— monday to friday, don't we? for heef hhere.— monday to friday, don't we? for most things,-says- monday to friday, don't we? for most things, says public most things, ian says public eef— most things, ian says public eeefer—hel most things, ian says publici eeefer—he reef most things, ian says public- sector_be put on sector workers should be put on eererfrheehe— sector workers should be put on performance-pay-- performance related pay. binmen weere—hew- would soon be due a pay increase, but— would soon be due a pay increase, but some of their managers deservedly get managers would deservedly get massive _that'si massive pay cuts. well, that's ehefher— another problem just with the hehhhe— another problem just with the eerhe-hh— another problem just with the public in general. if you public sector in general. if you do public sector in general. if you eelreehhw— public sector in general. if you eelreehhw good— public sector in general. if you do really good work, there do a really good work, is there eeh-eef— do a really good work, is there eeh-eer e— do a really good work, is there can-get a bonus?- do a really good work, is there can get a bonus? can you get can you get a bonus? can you get here— can you get a bonus? can you get heffer-fheh— can you get a bonus? can you get better than someone else better pay than someone else on wet..— better pay than someone else on weer—weer- better pay than someone else on your,_your level?l your, you know, on your level? he— your, you know, on your level? he ehee— your, you know, on your level? it's also socialised._ your, you know, on your level? it's also socialised. i think fhef-e— it's also socialised. i think fhef-e e— it's also socialised. i think that's a really— it's also socialised. i think that's a really fair point that fhe— that's a really fair point that he feerre— that's a really fair point that the people actually the people who are actually eehe— the people who are actually eehe-freer— the people who are actually doing-front end- the people who are actually doing front end jobs or doing the front end jobs or eefeehhw— doing the front end jobs or actually.it's_ doing the front end jobs or actuallylit's a- doing the front end jobs or actually it's a binman the actually if it's a binman the freeh— actually if it's a binman the back-because- actually if it's a binman the back because you're back end jobs because you're freeh— back end jobs because you're heck-heck— back end jobs because you're back-back-back| back end jobs because you're. back-back-back of back at the back of the back of the back at the back of the back of fhe-veeh.— back at the back of the back of the _yeah, exactly. - back at the back of the back of the yeah, exactly. the truck. yeah, exactly. but, you— the truck. yeah, exactly. but, wee knew.— the truck. yeah, exactly. but, wee hhew. fhew— the truck. yeah, exactly. but, you know, they are- the truck. yeah, exactly. but, you know, they are working on, you know, they are working on, you emptying the bins, you know, emptying the bins, doing all stuff. it's doing all of that stuff. it's not particularly pleasant job. not a particularly pleasant job. the run the tips and the people who run the tips and the you call them? tips.

the what do you call them? tips. yeah those social workers , we yeah those social workers, we know a desperate know there's a desperate shortage of workers, shortage of social workers, people doing assessments people who are doing assessments for people and people for elderly people and people with disabilities who need specialist care. there's not enough of those people, but there is no doubt that there are a lot of people at a certain managerial level who are spending a lot of time reinventing the wheel, having lots of meetings , writing lots, lots of meetings, writing lots, then feeling very important and sack them. how do don't send her — sack them. how do don't send her heme— sack them. how do don't send them home for— sack them. how do don't send them home for a— t how do don't send them home for a day's extra pay 7 them home for a day's extra pay e wehf.— them home for a day's extra pay e wehf. here— them home for a day's extra pay ? well, hang on.— them home for a day's extra pay ? well, hang on. let's- them home for a day's extra pay ? �*rterrrtcc “tr“r: rt:r“ . ftrcrt“ ? well, hang on. let's listen. someone who works at a local council has got in touch. craig, thank you for writing in. he says he doesn't actually agree with he says, i work with you, joe. he says, i work for local council and i finish with you, joe. he says, i work for1230 cal council and i finish with you, joe. he says, i work for1230 on council and i finish with you, joe. he says, i work for1230 on fridays and i finish with you, joe. he says, i work for1230 on fridays and time sh with you, joe. he says, i work for1230 on fridays and time for at 1230 on fridays and time for lunch. that is early enough to finish working no need finish a working week. no need for four day weeks. so he's already day off on a already got half a day off on a friday. so which is which is quite nice to be honest. i mean, i would to be i do think i would to be honest, i do think in a lot of workplace his friday afternoons do get a little afternoons do do get a little bit a little lost if people

bit a little bit lost if people are people are honest perhaps are if people are honest perhaps not those who work for ben habib. i mean i mean habib. well i mean i mean i think in times of economic difficulty serious difficulty and we are in serious economic difficulty at the moment, don't underestimate the problems. the facing problems. the country is facing heeehwe-hheh— the country is facing massive high taxation, massive debt, high taxation, hhgh—we- massive debt, high taxation, hhgh—we ehhl massive debt, high taxation,l high _we all have high inflation. all we all have to high inflation. all we all have fe hef— high inflation. all we all have fe reef ee— high inflation. all we all have to put our back— high inflation. all we all have to put our back into it and work hef heee— to put our back into it and work more, not less . _ to put our back into it and work more, not less . ?r;“ to put our back into it and work more, not less . 3r;“ �*rterrrt more, not less. right. we've all got to work more. i'm not sure how that will go down. well but it's impassioned, impassioned stance there. anyway, coming up, if you were a fan of hoodies, wearing hoodies , then don't go wearing hoodies, then don't go shopping in romford. there's a new rule banning anyone from putting up their hoods in the town centre's shopping areas. why, though?

every sunday at 6:00 for gloria weere— every sunday at 6:00 for gloria freefe ehhw— every sunday at 6:00 for gloria freefe ehhw eh— every sunday at 6:00 for gloria meets only on gb— every sunday at 6:00 for gloria meets only on gb news, britain's news . channel _ meets only on gb news, britain's news . channel yes,— meets only on gb news, britain's news . channel r/rtftr news. channel yes, but this is dewbs& co sorry, we news. channel r/rtt r�* sorry, we were just dewbs& co sorry, we were just reeehw— dewbs& co sorry, we were just rudely interrupted.— r�* sorry, we were just rudely interrupted. we were hewhhe— rudely interrupted. we were hewhhe e— rudely interrupted. we were having a chat.— rudely interrupted. we were having a chat. welcome back to hewhee— having a chat. welcome back to hewhee ce— having a chat. welcome back to dewbs& co with— having a chat. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, emily. keeping— dewbs& co with me, emily. keeping rhe— dewbs& co with me, emily. keeping me company is, of course, joe phillips and ben hehhhe— course, joe phillips and ben hehhh. whe— course, joe phillips and ben habib, who _ceo- course, joe phillips and ben habib, who ceo of first

habib, who is the ceo of first hreeerfw— habib, who is the ceo of first hreeerfw-ehe- habib, who is the ceo of first hreeerfw-ehe e- habib, who is the ceo of first property and a member of property group and a member of the property group and a member of he referre— property group and a member of the reform party.— property group and a member of the reform party. wonder the reform party. i wonder how reerrhf— the reform party. i wonder how referee-hh— the reform party. i wonder how reform - in the - the reform party. i wonder how reform in the locals. reform will do in the locals. yesr_ reform will do in the locals. hee. fh— reform will do in the locals. hee. h-h eere— reform will do in the locals. yes, i'm sure. very- reform will do in the locals. yes, i'm sure. very well.- reform will do in the locals. r/rtt yes, i'm sure. very well. well we shall see. we can't say that, can we? because— we shall see. we can't say that, can we? because there- we can't say that, can we? because there are other eewfhrfefee— can we? because there are other eeheheefee. fee.— can we? because there are other candidates. yes, there are other eeheheefee— candidates. yes, there are other. candidates—make candidates need to look and make her— candidates need to look and make fhehr ew— candidates need to look and make their own minds— candidates need to look and make their own minds up,— candidates need to look and make their own minds up, not have a party-— their own minds up, not have a eerrw. hehhfheeh— their own minds up, not have a party. political this party. political broadcast this eheee— party. political broadcast this e.heee— - party. political broadcast this close_. well,- party. political broadcast this. close_. well, quite, close to the well. well, quite, yes. but romford, we're heading to romford, which is a borough on the border of essex and east london in romford . they're london in romford. they're introducing a ban on wearing hoodies in the town centres, shopping areas, ski masks and motorcycle helmets also be motorcycle helmets will also be forbidden. surgical masks forbidden. but surgical masks and religious garments aren't . and religious garments aren't. this is all for the sake of tackling anti—social behaviour . tackling anti—social behaviour. i'm in two minds about this one because i am genuinely intimidated by groups or just intimidated by groups orjust single individuals with dark hoodies on face masks. they're genuinely intimidating . well, genuinely intimidating. well, we've been down this ;rt:“ r:tr “r; well, we've been down this route refere— we've been down this route hefere. h— we've been down this route before. in 2005,— we've been down this route before. in 2005, and then when dewe— before. in 2005, and then when david cameron— before. in 2005, and then when david cameron decided that the

herhee— david cameron decided that the herhee ehee-f— david cameron decided that the tories didn't need— david cameron decided that the tories didn't need to be the heefw— tories didn't need to be the heefw eerrw.— tories didn't need to be the nasty patti/e he— tories didn't need to be the nasty party, he came out with fhe— nasty party, he came out with he hug— nasty party, he came out with he hug e— nasty party, he came out with the hug a hoodie— nasty party, he came out with the hug a hoodie phrase. do you reherherh— the hug a hoodie phrase. do you rerherherh h— the hug a hoodie phrase. do you remember? i do. _ the hug a hoodie phrase. do you remember? i do. r/rt:r remember? i do. you remember the reception he got at the council estate where he . absolutely. estate where he. absolutely. and know , that was, i think, and you know, that was, i think, ehfher— and you know, that was, i think, either preceded— and you know, that was, i think, either preceded or— and you know, that was, i think, either preceded or followed by his either preceded or followed by hhe going— either preceded or followed by hhe going eff— either preceded or followed by his going off with the huskies to his going off with the huskies he he— his going off with the huskies he he green— his going off with the huskies to be green before he said, here— to be green before he said, here fheh— to be green before he said, let's ditch the _ to be green before he said, let's ditch the green crap. fhef-e— let's ditch the green crap. fhef-e e— let's ditch the green crap. that's a quote— let's ditch the green crap. that's a quote from david cameron, not— that's a quote from david cameron, not me swearing on fehewheheh— cameron, not me swearing on fehewheheh .— cameron, not me swearing on fehewheheh . h— cameron, not me swearing on television . i think utterly television. i think it's utterly rheheeheee— television. i think it's utterly rheheeheee .— television. i think it's utterly ridiculous . this— television. i think it's utterly ridiculous. this is television. i think it's utterly ridiculous . this is an television. i think it's utterly ridiculous. this is an item of ehefhhhe— ridiculous. this is an item of ehefhhhe ehe— ridiculous. this is an item of clothing and it— ridiculous. this is an item of clothing and it is— ridiculous. this is an item of clothing and it is demonising young— clothing and it is demonising young pewte— clothing and it is demonising young people for an item. but why— young people for an item. but whw ee— young people for an item. but whw ee fhew— young people for an item. but why do they have— young people for an item. but why do they have to dress in eeeh— why do they have to dress in eeeh eh— why do they have to dress in such an intimidating fashion? hew— such an intimidating fashion? hew eh— such an intimidating fashion? hew hf— such an intimidating fashion? hew hf he— such an intimidating fashion? how can it be intimidating? i find it extremely. that's you. i find it extremely. that's you. i find it extremely intimidating. intimidating to do you? you do? intimidating to do you? you do? h ee. — intimidating to do you? you do? h ee. h— intimidating to do you? you do? h ee. h wee— intimidating to do you? you do? h ee. h wee knew.— intimidating to do you? you do? i do. i you know, if— intimidating to do you? you do? i do. i you know, if it's perfeefhw— i do. i you know, if it's perfectly nice- i do. i you know, if it's perfectly nice day and someone's weerhhe— perfectly nice day and someone's weerhhe e— perfectly nice day and someone's wearing e freeh— perfectly nice day and someone's wearing a mask or— perfectly nice day and someone's wearing a mask or a hood , you wearing a mask or a hood, you hewe— wearing a mask or a hood, you hewe fe— wearing a mask or a hood, you have to question— wearing a mask or a hood, you have to question why they're hiding— have to question why they're hhehhg fhehr— have to question why they're hiding their identity. ski masks . fee.— hiding their identity. ski masks . hee. h— hiding their identity. ski masks . hee. h weere— hiding their identity. ski masks . yes, i would agree with you . i . yes, i would agree with you. i think you're emily. i think the motorcycle helmets and ski masks are already banned . and are already banned. and obviously in most places you're

asked to take off your motorcycle. they're very fashionable _ motorcycle. they're very fashionable with- ”rig {lc they're very fashionable with the rude boys at fashionable with the rude boys ef fhe— fashionable with the rude boys at the moment.— fashionable with the rude boys at the moment. the full on, full on at the moment. the full on, full eh freeh— at the moment. the full on, full eh heeh here.— at the moment. the full on, full on mask here, hoodie up. you knew— on mask here, hoodie up. you knew .— on mask here, hoodie up. you knew . hf— on mask here, hoodie up. you know , it would— on mask here, hoodie up. you know , it would be intimidating know, it would be intimidating to know, it would be intimidating fe heef— know, it would be intimidating re heer feerre— know, it would be intimidating re heer eeeehe .— know, it would be intimidating to most people , i would guess. to most people, i would guess. whee.— to most people, i would guess. whee. where— to most people, i would guess. also, what's interesting , erg, also, what's interesting, erg, is also, what's interesting, erg, he fhef— also, what's interesting, erg, is that there _ also, what's interesting, erg, is that there is— also, what's interesting, erg, is that there is a— also, what's interesting, erg, is that there is a lot of eeeeerf— is that there is a lot of eeeeerr hh— is that there is a lot of support in romford for this efhere— support in romford for this among fhe— support in romford for this among the shopkeepers and werereh— among the shopkeepers and workers who— among the shopkeepers and workers who find that their eheee— workers who find that their eheee ee— workers who find that their shops are being terrorised by 9f0up5_ shops are being terrorised by groups stealing— shops are being terrorised by groups stealing and funnily ereeeh— groups stealing and funnily enough, they're often wearing fheee— enough, they're often wearing fheee herhe— enough, they're often wearing these items of— enough, they're often wearing these items of clothing. john ewee— these items of clothing. john eweh hee— these items of clothing. john owen has just— these items of clothing. john owen has just emailed. he's he herh— owen has just emailed. he's he herh hh— owen has just emailed. he's he was born in romford in 1943. he eewe— was born in romford in 1943. he eewe herhfere— was born in romford in 1943. he says romford was— was born in romford in 1943. he says romford was a genteel herhef— says romford was a genteel market town _ says romford was a genteel market town .— says romford was a genteel market town . i— says romford was a genteel market town . i can remember market town. i can remember wehhhhe— market town. i can remember walking herhe— market town. i can remember walking home from school through the walking home from school through fhe herhef— walking home from school through the market where— walking home from school through the market where there was live efeeh— the market where there was live efeeh hreeehf— the market where there was live stock brought in— the market where there was live stock brought in by farmers to eerh— stock brought in by farmers to eehh eh— stock brought in by farmers to sell on market— stock brought in by farmers to sell on market days. the pubs were allowed— sell on market days. the pubs were allowed to— sell on market days. the pubs were allowed to open early for errhwhhe— were allowed to open early for arriving farmers— were allowed to open early for arriving farmers to buy a beer. hhhee— arriving farmers to buy a beer. hhhee ee— arriving farmers to buy a beer. times do change,— arriving farmers to buy a beer. times do change, but not always for times do change, but not always fer fhe— times do change, but not always for the better.— times do change, but not always for the better. those were the eewe. — for the better. those were the eewe. iwehhee— for the better. those were the days. yobbos wearing ski days. no yobbos wearing ski rheeeh— days. no yobbos wearing ski rheeeh wehf.— days. no yobbos wearing ski masks. well, you know , and masks. well, you know, and wee— masks. well, you know, and wee eef— masks. well, you know, and wee eer fe— masks. well, you know, and you've got to put it into eerrew.— you've got to put it into context, haven't you? t context, haven't you? because ehfheeeheh— context, haven't you? because antisocial behaviour is on the rise. petty crime thievery

doesn't get prosecuted. 99. one of the topics we were potentially going to discuss today was the fact that 99% of theft is not prosecuted doesn't result in a charge. and incidentally , 97% of serious incidentally, 97% of serious crime doesn't result in a charge. and i come back to the salient point, which is why would someone hide their face in perfectly good weather? well you know, they're up to no good , know, they're up to no good, unless, of course, it is a religious garment that they're wearing. and even then , you wearing. and even then, you know, you've got to query how you get into the whole burka debate. should they be banned? i'm debate. should they be banned? h-h fh— debate. should they be banned? i'm sure. i'm sure.— debate. should they be banned? i'm sure. i'm sure. you know, i remember discussing that ad nauseum. and straight nauseum. and because straight back countries, back to boris, other countries, other countries . oh, god, no, other countries. oh, god, no, not the letterbox comments. oh, dean not the letterbox comments. oh, dear. i'm not even dear. no, joe, i'm not even going to ask your opinion on that. i'm going to i'm not that. i'm not going to i'm not going to indulge you in that way. but i mean, can i just read way. but i mean, can ijust read this out? because this this one out? because this ian agrees he says, i'm agrees with you. he says, i'm a pensioner here because of the weather. all my coats have hoods. this ban is a flagrant violation my and other law

violation of my and other law abiding citizens. civil rights violation of my and other law abidingpunish s. civil rights violation of my and other law abidingpunish everybodylts typical punish everybody because the lazy to catch the police are too lazy to catch the police are too lazy to catch the crooks thinking by an obviously the crooks thinking by an obvirlisly more police as well yes, i mean more police as well would nice, visible policing would be nice, visible policing is the answer. and as ben rhehfhw— is the answer. and as ben rhghfhw eewe.— is the answer. and as ben rightly says, and- and as ben rightly says, and we all know freeh— rightly says, and we all know her ee— rightly says, and we all know from our own _ rightly says, and we all know from our own personal experience and from our own personal experience ehe eheeeefehhw— from our own personal experience and anecdotally and factually, fhew— and anecdotally and factually, fhew whhh— and anecdotally and factually, fhew whhh hef— and anecdotally and factually, they will not and— and anecdotally and factually, they will not and do not investigate _ they will not and do not investigate the low level . it's investigate the low level. it's hef— investigate the low level. it's her hew— investigate the low level. it's not low level— investigate the low level. it's not low level to— investigate the low level. it's not low level to the people who are not low level to the people who whefhe— not low level to the people who are victims of— not low level to the people who are victims of it.— not low level to the people who are victims of it. but we know fhef— are victims of it. but we know fhef fer— are victims of it. but we know fhef fer weere— are victims of it. but we know that for years the _ are victims of it. but we know that for years the police will hef— that for years the police will hef eeh— that for years the police will not even investigate shoplifting erfer— not even investigate shoplifting eheer £200.— not even investigate shoplifting under £200. so— not even investigate shoplifting under £200. so you can get off a rehe— under £200. so you can get off a fehe er— under £200. so you can get off a fehe er wee— under £200. so you can get off a rehe er wee eh— under £200. so you can get off a tube or you can get— under £200. so you can get off a tube or you can get off a bus, vou— tube or you can get off a bus, wee eh— tube or you can get off a bus, wee heee— tube or you can get off a bus, wee hewe e— tube or you can get off a bus, you can have a mate waiting in a fee— you can have a mate waiting in a wee 90— you can have a mate waiting in a car. you can go and— you can have a mate waiting in a car. you can go and do, you knew.— car. you can go and do, you knew. reh— car. you can go and do, you know, ten shops— car. you can go and do, you know, ten shops and you're scot free.— know, ten shops and you're scot free. fhehr— know, ten shops and you're scot free. hhehh wee— know, ten shops and you're scot free. thank you very much. fhef-e— free. thank you very much. fhef-e fwe— free. thank you very much. that's two grand's worth of efeff— that's two grand's worth of efeff wee— that's two grand's worth of stuff you can— that's two grand's worth of stuff you can sell it in. ' “r: stuff you can sell it in. and fhe— stuff you can sell it in. and the messaging,— stuff you can sell it in. and the messaging, the messaging to the messaging, the messaging to the public is actually you can commit petty crime and you will the public is actually you can con risk petty crime and you will the public is actually you can conrisk punishment.ind you will the public is actually you can con risk punishment. ind ythatrill not risk punishment. and that is unacceptable. this not risk punishment. and that is unacceptable . this is the unacceptable. this is the research the _ unacceptable. this is the research the labour- t. tt this is the research the labour party has eehe— research the labour party has eehe-whheh— research the labour party has done _which we - research the labour party has. done _which we - going done also, which we were going to done also, which we were going fe hhh— done also, which we were going fe hhhh hh— done also, which we were going to link in with— done also, which we were going to link in with this— done also, which we were going to link in with this story, is fhef—fhhe- to link in with this story, is that—like 99%. to link in with this story, isi that—like 99% of that something like 99% of hereherhee— that something like 99% of burglaries, not— that something like 99% of burglaries, not burglaries of

fheffe— burglaries, not burglaries of fheffe .— burglaries, not burglaries of fheffe . ee— burglaries, not burglaries of thefts , as you— burglaries, not burglaries of thefts , as you were saying, go thefts, as you were saying, go eehe— thefts, as you were saying, go on, gone uncharged, which eeeehfhehhw— on, gone uncharged, which essentially means that thieving fheff— essentially means that thieving fheff he— essentially means that thieving fheff he heeeh— essentially means that thieving theft is legal in— essentially means that thieving theft is legal in this country. heeefhw. — theft is legal in this country. heeefhw. hh— theft is legal in this country. exactly. “ tt exactly. in practical sense, it's legal. and what is more concerning is that people are increasingly resort ing to doorbell cameras. many people hewe— doorbell cameras. many people hewe eeeh— doorbell cameras. many people have dash cams— doorbell cameras. many people have dash cams on— many people have dash cams on their car or in have dash cams on their car or he freew— have dash cams on their car or he rhehw eeee— have dash cams on their car or he rhehw .— have dash cams on their car or in many cases , and particularly in many cases, and particularly in many cases, and particularly hh rereh— in many cases, and particularly hh rereh ereee— in many cases, and particularly in rural areas , people can say, in rural areas, people can say, i in rural areas, people can say, h knew— in rural areas, people can say, h knew where— in rural areas, people can say, h knew where hw— in rural areas, people can say, i know where my horse box is, i knew— i know where my horse box is, i knew where— i know where my horse box is, i knew where hw— i know where my horse box is, i know where my tractor is, i've got— know where my tractor is, i've eer e— know where my tractor is, i've got 6 photograph— know where my tractor is, i've got a photograph and still hefhhhe— got a photograph and still nothing happens. now, if you are hewhhg— nothing happens. now, if you are hewhhe greete— nothing happens. now, if you are hewhhe ereeee ef— nothing happens. now, if you are having groups of youths going in and having groups of youths going in end efeehhhe— having groups of youths going in and stealing iphones or whatever it and stealing iphones or whatever hf he.— and stealing iphones or whatever hf he. fheh— and stealing iphones or whatever it is, then where— and stealing iphones or whatever it is, then where are the eerhee— it is, then where are the eerhee — it is, then where are the police? h— it is, then where are the police? i mean,- it is, then where are the police? “ it is, then where are the- police? i mean, i have been because to ban every kid that's come off the school football field and anyway, you know, we had the same absolute hysteria about beatniks . we've had it about beatniks. we've had it eheee— about beatniks. we've had it eheef eerhe.— about beatniks. we've had it about goths. we've- we've had it about goths. we've had it about all about goths. we've had it about ehh eerre— about goths. we've had it about ehh eerfe ef— about goths. we've had it about all sorts of things. _ about goths. we've had it about all sorts of things. no, i think eeerwe— all sorts of things. no, i think everyone knows— all sorts of things. no, i think everyone knows what i'm talking eheee—

everyone knows what i'm talking eheef here. — everyone knows what i'm talking about here. when— everyone knows what i'm talking about here. when i— everyone knows what i'm talking about here. jewr“rt:“ about here. when i talk about people wearing hoodies and ski masks. it's the type of usually teenage boys hanging around on the street corners into the evening, into the dark and looking very intimidating . and looking very intimidating. and as a female. but i'm sure others as a female. but i'm sure others as well, it can be very intimidating, as well, it can be very intimidating , james says all intimidating, james says all hoodies, ski mask and face coverings should be banned, mostly used by criminals, terrorists, paramilitaries who don't be identified don't want to be identified should illegal, don't want to be identified should illegal , james says. should be illegal, james says. i hate walking about in the i hate walkingdaboflut in theydark i hate walking about in the dark . i i hate walking about in the dark . h feer— i hate walking about in the dark . i feel extremely— i hate walking about in the dark . i feel extremely vulnerable. i efehhee— . i feel extremely vulnerable. i was stabbed very— . i feel extremely vulnerable. i was stabbed very brutally . and was stabbed very brutally. and feerrw.— was stabbed very brutally. and lastly, several— was stabbed very brutally. and lastly, several years ago. oh my eeeeheee— lastly, several years ago. oh my eeeeheee. h— lastly, several years ago. oh my goodness, i was— lastly, several years ago. oh my goodness, i was stabbed in the reek— goodness, i was stabbed in the heck whfh— goodness, i was stabbed in the heck whfh e— goodness, i was stabbed in the neck with a sharpened screwdriver— neck with a sharpened screwdriver .- neck with a sharpened screwdriver . and neither of the screwdriver. and neither of the feerre— screwdriver. and neither of the eeeehe whe — screwdriver. and neither of the people who were— screwdriver. and neither of the people who were involved in that weerhhg— people who were involved in that were wearing hoodies. oh, my god— were wearing hoodies. oh, my eee. h— were wearing hoodies. oh, my eee. h eehhef— were wearing hoodies. oh, my god, i cannot walk down. i'm so eerrw.— god, i cannot walk down. i'm so eerrw. were— god, i cannot walk down. i'm so eerrw. were fhew— god, i cannot walk down. i'm so sorry. were they were they apprehended? no . oh, my god. so apprehended? no. oh, my god. so they've got away with it for want of trying. you know, the herhee— want of trying. you know, the eerhee — cg “r; you know, the police were absolutely brilliant,— police were absolutely brilliant, but you know, the wehf— brilliant, but you know, the hehhf he.— brilliant, but you know, the point is, these— brilliant, but you know, the point is, these awful things heeeeh — point is, these awful things heeeeh h— point is, these awful things heeeeh hfeeh— point is, these awful things happen. i feel terribly anxious heeeee—

happen. i feel terribly anxious heeeee ef— happen. i feel terribly anxious because of that— happen. i feel terribly anxious because of that . _ happen. i feel terribly anxious because of that . because of that. but you wouldn't want to take away other people's liberty to wear what they which, fair, they want, which, to be fair, is, you know , a liberal outlook. is, you know, a liberal outlook. you can't blame everyone for the for some perpetrators . anyway. for some perpetrators. anyway. coming are british farmers coming up, are british farmers under attack? several council councils have signed a so—called plant based international treaty that taxes on meat and that promotes taxes on meat and bans the expansion of farms should we be worried? it's important local councils important local councils important .

ina in a few days time, king - in a few days time, king cherhee— - in a few days time, king cherhee hhh— . in a few days time, king charles iii, will— . in a few days time, king charles iii, will be- in a few days time, king charles iii, will be crowned in a ceremony that— charles iii, will be crowned in a ceremony that punctuates our hheferw— a ceremony that punctuates our hheferw. we— a ceremony that punctuates our history. we won't— a ceremony that punctuates our history. we won't just be feeeehhe— history. we won't just be feeeehhe eh— history. we won't just be focusing on the pomp and circumstance— focusing on the pomp and circumstance because the cerehefheh— circumstance because the coronation was- circumstance because the coronation was also about eeheeeef— coronation was also about eeheeeef .— coronation was also about conquest , rebellion and murder. conquest, rebellion and murder. in conquest, rebellion and murder. hh hf.— conquest, rebellion and murder. hh hf. ee— conquest, rebellion and murder. in it, our liberties— conquest, rebellion and murder. in it, our liberties are consecrate— in it, our liberties are consecrate covid. rt:r“ r;“ consecrate covid. tonight, a special edition of farage with professor david starkey the crown a thousand year story on

gb news britain's news. channel welcome back to dewbs& co with me.— welcome back to dewbs& co with hhhhw— welcome back to dewbs& co with hhhhw eerwee— welcome back to dewbs& co with me, emily carver. now a new fhehr— me, emily carver. now a new ehehf heeee— me, emily carver. now a new plant based international treaty has plant based international treaty hee heee— plant based international treaty has been signed— plant based international treaty has been signed by nine councils in has been signed by nine councils hh fhe— has been signed by nine councils he he wh— has been signed by nine councils he he eh .— has been signed by nine councils he he eh . hf— has been signed by nine councils in the uk . it encourages those in the uk. it encourages those whe— in the uk. it encourages those whe ehereee— in the uk. it encourages those who endorse it— in the uk. it encourages those who endorse it to— in the uk. it encourages those who endorse it to serve vegan heehe— who endorse it to serve vegan heehe ef— who endorse it to serve vegan meals at events— who endorse it to serve vegan meals at events ,_ who endorse it to serve vegan meals at events , promotes taxes meals at events, promotes taxes on meals at events, promotes taxes eh heef— meals at events, promotes taxes eh heef ehe— meals at events, promotes taxes on meat and bans— meals at events, promotes taxes on meat and bans the expansion of on meat and bans the expansion ef ferme— on meat and bans the expansion ef ferrhe .— on meat and bans the expansion of farms . unsurprisingly, rural of farms. unsurprisingly, rural eerheehehere— of farms. unsurprisingly, rural campaigners have said it is an efferhhf— campaigners have said it is an efferhhf fe— campaigners have said it is an attempt to restrict and even ereeheefe— attempt to restrict and even eradicate their— attempt to restrict and even eradicate their entire way of hhfe. — eradicate their entire way of hhfe. fhh— eradicate their entire way of life. i'll start— eradicate their entire way of life. i'll start with joe this fhhe.— life. i'll start with joe this time, because _ life. i'll start with joe this time, because i've started with you,— time, because i've started with wee. h— time, because i've started with wee. h fhhhh— time, because i've started with you, i think, every— time, because i've started with you, i think, every time. sorry joe,— you, i think, every time. sorry ree. whef— you, i think, every time. sorry ree. whef ee— you, i think, every time. sorry joe, what do you— you, i think, every time. sorry joe, what do you make of this? he— joe, what do you make of this? he herew— joe, what do you make of this? it's hardly surprising that ferrhere— it's hardly surprising that farmers are— it's hardly surprising that farmers are worrying that there fe— farmers are worrying that there he he.— farmers are worrying that there seems to be, well,— farmers are worrying that there seems to be, well, an active efferf— seems to be, well, an active efferf hw— seems to be, well, an active effort by some— seems to be, well, an active effort by some of- seems to be, well, an active effort by some of these councils to effort by some of these councils fe efee— effort by some of these councils re efee feerre— effort by some of these councils to stop people eating meat. i'm a farmer's daughter— to stop people eating meat. i'm a farmer's daughter and my family are farmers . and i know family are farmers. and i know joe from raw , real life joe from raw, real life experience how incredibly hard

farmers work . and we've been farmers work. and we've been talking about four day weeks. well, they work seven days a week, 365 days a year in all weathers right now, you know, if you're a gardener , they haven't you're a gardener, they haven't got a four day week. where did you got a four day week. where did wee eef— got a four day week. where did wee eer fheee— got a four day week. where did you get these mad— r;rzt:r ” rztr where did you get these mad ideas r;rzt:r ” cg where did you get these mad ideas ? r;rt:r ” cg where did you get these mad ideas ? you get these mad ideas? so, you knew.— you get these mad ideas? so, you know were— you get these mad ideas? so, you knew. wee-we eef— you get these mad ideas? so, you know, you've got there very productive as farm as who can't plant any crops because the ground is waterlogged. we've had, you know, we've got weather to deal with. you've got livestock farmers who are losing sheep because and lambs because we've had unseasonably cold weather and so forth. weather and so on and so forth. it is hard work and people need to know and be willing to pay for the quality food that we produce in this country instead of going and buying a packet of strawberries that have come over from peru. hear, hear. well, said susan . they need to be said susan. they need to be supporting local farmers. and i'm not saying swedes like all turnips or whatever, terese coffey said . and this vegan coffey said. and this vegan stuff, i don't have a problem with vegans or vegetarians and i

think, you know, if you're catering for a group of people, it's much easier to say, we do the vegan or vegetarian option because meat eaters can eat that, whereas vegans and vegetarians can't. but ben, don't think it's what's this don't you think it's what's this treaty ? well, treaty is treaty? well, this treaty is eeeehfheh— treaty? well, this treaty is eeeehfheh .— c”rttrc«r7’ well, this treaty is essential, something that nine eeehehhe— essential, something that nine councils have,— essential, something that nine councils have, i— essential, something that nine councils have, i think is exeter , councils have, i think is exeter . hehhhereh— councils have, i think is exeter , edinburgh city— councils have, i think is exeter , edinburgh city council, and , edinburin city council, and it's , edinburgh city council, and it's basically— , edinburgh city council, and it's basically an— , edinburgh city council, and it's basically an anti meat declaration— it's basically an anti meat declaration .— it's basically an anti meat declaration . it's we are going declaration. it's we are going to declaration. it's we are going he he— declaration. it's we are going he he fhehr— declaration. it's we are going to be plant based . we are going to be plant based. we are going we are in support— to be plant based. we are going we are in support of more taxes on we are in support of more taxes eh freer.— we are in support of more taxes eh heef. we— we are in support of more taxes on meat. we want— we are in support of more taxes on meat. we want more people to go on meat. we want more people to ge eee— on meat. we want more people to ge ega hef— on meat. we want more people to ge ega hef fhe— on meat. we want more people to go vegan. but the real life consequences— go vegan. but the real life consequences of it is that eeehehhe— consequences of it is that eeehehhe hh— consequences of it is that councils in this- consequences of it is that councils in this country are fehhhhe— councils in this country are telling schools— councils in this country are telling schools within their eeehehh— telling schools within their eeehehh fe — telling schools within their council to have— telling schools within their council to have meat free days. hhew-re— council to have meat free days. hhew-re ehehehhe— council to have meat free days. they're changing the menus. hhew-re— they're changing the menus. they're enforcing within the eeehehh— they're enforcing within the council meat— they're enforcing within the council meat free menu at ewehef— council meat free menu at events, etcetera,- council meat free menu at events, etcetera, etcetera. it eheee— events, etcetera, etcetera. it eeee feer— events, etcetera, etcetera. it does feel like _ events, etcetera, etcetera. it does feel like this is a eerhehefe— does feel like this is a complete ideological it is a eerheherehw— complete ideological it is a completely ideologically based . completely ideologically based. it's completely ideologically based. hf-e hef— completely ideologically based. hfe ref e— completely ideologically based. it's not a treaty— completely ideologically based. it's not a treaty ,_ completely ideologically based. it's not a treaty , it's— it's not a treaty, it's a campaign. it's entirely ideologically motivated. it's designed like so many things to give voice to their belief that

eating meat and growing, you know, rearing animals damages the climate. that's what's underlying all of this. no, i don't think it does. why does it why does that damage the climate any more than taking over acres and hectares and thousands of hectares of land to plant wheat, which is so damaging to fauna, so damaging to all other forms of you know, other greenery and the ecosystem items that would otherwise be allowed to thrive. a kilo of meat you get more bang for a kilo of meat you get more bang fer weer— a kilo of meat you get more bang fer weer freeh— a kilo of meat you get more bang for your buck, you— a kilo of meat you get more bang for your buck, you get much more here— for your buck, you get much more here fer— for your buck, you get much more bang fer weer— for your buck, you get much more bang for your buck.— for your buck, you get much more bang for your buck. _ for your buck, you get much more bang for your buck. '“c for your buck, you get much more bang for your buck. ' “c t bang for your buck. and actually children need it. they need the kind iron a lot of people kind of iron a lot of people don't believe that children do need and eggs. no . don't believe that children do need and eggs. no. and need protein and eggs. no. and there are lots of people who for religious not the religious reasons, not the virtue signalling reasons, which i suspect this might be. there are many campaigns that well—meaning people sign to, well—meaning people sign up to, so don't often admit that so you don't often admit that things pure virtue things are pure virtue signalling? i don't know what this it's not a treaty. it's not

a treaty. it's a campaign. it's just a little thing that the councils can sign up to, which indicates that they're green and nice, they're also nice, but then they're also encouraged to do these sort of. so start right at the so then start at right at the bafics so then start at right at the basics, you know, think basics, you know, i think that children need to be taught about food and they need to be taught about cooking primary about cooking from primary school. ithink about cooking from primary school. i think we need to not hewe— school. i think we need to not hewe eef— school. i think we need to not hewe eer rhe— school. i think we need to not have got rid of— school. i think we need to not have got rid of all— school. i think we need to not have got rid of all of- t i think we need to not have got rid of all of our eeheeh— have got rid of all of our school canteens and put all of fhef— school canteens and put all of fhef eef— school canteens and put all of fhef eef fe— school canteens and put all of that out to the— school canteens and put all of that out to the private sector where— that out to the private sector where wee — that out to the private sector where wee eef— that out to the private sector where you get absolute rubbish for where you get absolute rubbish fer ehhffhh— where you get absolute rubbish for children. but— where you get absolute rubbish for children. but i— where you get absolute rubbish for children. but i don't like fhhe— for children. but i don't like fhhe weree— for children. but i don't like this value judgement though that you this value judgement though that wee eh— this value judgement though that wee heef— this value judgement though that you can just imagine these feeehere— you can just imagine these feeehere ef— you can just imagine these teachers at school being or teachers at the school being or the teachers at the school being or he eeehehhe— teachers at the school being or the councils saying, oh, to be a eeee— the councils saying, oh, to be a good eereeh— the councils saying, oh, to be a good eereeh fe— the councils saying, oh, to be a good person, to be— the councils saying, oh, to be a good person, to be a good erwee.— good person, to be a good citizen, vegan— good person, to be a good citizen, vegan ,_ good person, to be a good citizen, vegan , you've got to citizen, vegan, you've got to hewe — citizen, vegan, you've got to hewe weeeh— citizen, vegan, you've got to have vegan days— citizen, vegan, you've got to have vegan days and you should ehehee— have vegan days and you should ehehee weer— have vegan days and you should change your whole— have vegan days and you should change your whole diet. c change your whole diet. it's a lot change your whole diet. it's a er ef— change your whole diet. it's a lot of pressure— change your whole diet. it's a lot of pressure to _ change your whole diet. it's a lot of pressure to put on kids and we've actually worried about quickly bringing the coronation into it. you know, the signature fheh— into it. you know, the signature eheh—eehehe- into it. you know, the signature eheh—eehehe .- into it. you know, the signature dish—quiche . you- dish is a vegan quiche. you knew.— dish is a vegan quiche. you knew. he— dish is a vegan quiche. you know, it's only— dish is a vegan quiche. you know, it's only vegetarian. vegeferheh — know, it's only vegetarian. vegeferheh .— know, it's only vegetarian. vegetarian , vegetarian, vegan, vegetarian, vegetarian, vegan, vegetarian thing. we need to care vegetarian thing. we need to eheef— vegetarian thing. we need to care about the _ vegetarian thing. we need to care about the quality- ; “r; we need to care about the quality of food ehe— care about the quality of food ehe hewerhe— care about the quality of food and nowhere more so than what ehhhereh—

and nowhere more so than what children-eating— and nowhere more so than what children-eating at- and nowhere more so than what children eating at schools. children are eating at schools. hef— children are eating at schools. her—eehheheerwi but i would have compulsory eeheeh— but i would have compulsory eehee-.— but i would have compulsory eeheeh-. fe— but i would have compulsory school-. i'd-rid- but i would have compulsory school-. i'd-rid ofi school meals. i'd get rid of peeked— school meals. i'd get rid of packed lunches,— school meals. i'd get rid of packed lunches, which you might say packed lunches, which you might eew fhef— packed lunches, which you might eew fhef he— packed lunches, which you might say that is we're— packed lunches, which you might say that is we're nearly we're wew—ef— say that is we're nearly we're werw—effhrhe. i say that is we're nearly we'rej very—of time. i'm very nearly out of time. i'm heef— very nearly out of time. i'm feef going— very nearly out of time. i'm feef eehee-eef- very nearly out of time. i'm just going out one view. just going to read out one view. david says education managers must held personally must be held personally responsible for ill health responsible for any ill health caused balanced caused by withdrawing a balanced diet children. well, there diet from children. well, there you go. nice, message you go. nice, strong message to finish much finish with. thank you very much to joe phillips and to my panel, joe phillips and ben habib another great show up ben habib. another great show up next. do not go anywhere. we have a very special episode of farage with david starkey. you won't want to miss it.

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wew— as a channel here at gb news are werw eeehfee— wew— as a channel here at gb news are werw eeehfee— as a channel here at gb news are very excited about— as a channel here at gb news are very excited about the few as a channel here at gb news are very excited about— as a channel here at gb news are very excited about the few days fhef— very excited about the few days fhef — very excited about the few days that are coming— very excited about the few days that are coming up. but what eheef— that are coming up. but what eheef fhe— that are coming up. but what about the history— that are coming up. but what about the history and origins of fhhe— about the history and origins of this ceremony?— about the history and origins of this ceremony? well the crown a fheeeehe— this ceremony? well the crown a fheeeehe weer— this ceremony? well the crown a thousand year history is about to thousand year history is about fe he— thousand year history is about he he ehewh— thousand year history is about to be shown to— thousand year history is about to be shown to you and it's ereeeeee— to be shown to you and it's produced and— to be shown to you and it's produced and told by who other fheh— produced and told by who other fheh eewe— produced and told by who other than david starkey .