good evening. i'm jacob rees—mogg of the nation. tonight as the government's illegal migration bill has grabbed the headunes migration bill has grabbed the headlines all week , behind the headlines all week, behind the scenes, it has emerged plans in place to relax legal migration rules even further. despite migration being an all time high , the slovenly and wasteful project known as hsz has been delayed once again, and now i am freed from the tight grip of collective. i'll be giving my

unfettered thoughts. plus remember when speed cameras first came in and people started burning them but let back at it again? but this time with khan's ulez , i'll be speaking to former ulez, i'll be speaking to former london assembly member peter whittall later on state of the nafion whittall later on state of the nation starts . nation starts. we'll also be from our venerable panel we'll also be from our venerable panel, the general secretary of the free speech union, toby young and staff writer at the spectator , kyra kennedy. as spectator, kyra kennedy. as even spectator, kyra kennedy. as ever. i want to hear from you. please get in touch by emailing mail more. good gbnews.uk before all of that, it's been a busy day and keep us up to date. is rory smith . good evening i'm rory smith. good evening i'm rory smith. good evening i'm rory smith. good evening i'm rory smith . the gb newsroom. rory smith. the gb newsroom. gary lineker has been accused of

diminishing the tragedy of the holocaust with a home secretary saying she find his comments offensive. the presenter is under for comparing the government's language around its new immigration policy to that used by germany in the 1930. he has described fallout as ridiculously out of proportion. culture secretary lucy fraser told the commons the broadcaster remain impartial. told the commons the broadcaster remain impartial . as somebody remain impartial. as somebody who's escaped germany in the 19305, i who's escaped germany in the 1930s, i think it's really and inappropriate to compare government policy on immigration events to on immigration, to events to on immigration, to events in germany in the 1930s. it's important for the bbc to impartiality if it is to retain the trust of the public who pay the trust of the public who pay the licence . transport secretary the licence. transport secretary says of hitches to between

birmingham and crewe will be delayed by two years. mark harper says that is due to increased costs and significant inflation and pressure. but labour, inflation and pressure. but labour , the delay means the labour, the delay means the nonh labour, the delay means the north has pay the price for government failures . amber government failures. amber weather warnings for snow and ice are in place for parts of the uk until tomorrow, bringing with it a potential risk to life . blizzard are due to cause treacherous conditions overnight with 50 mile per hour winds and 40 centimetres of snow forecast for some central and areas. the met office says power cuts and travel delays are likely . the travel delays are likely. the prime minister is aiming to strengthen cooperation with france on tackling small boats in the english channel. rishi will meet french president in paris tomorrow , hoping to paris tomorrow, hoping to implement further measures to prevent illegal migrant . it will prevent illegal migrant. it will be the first uk france summit in

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it's back to jacob . it's back to jacob. got him . columnists, student got him. columnists, student union leaders , islington dinner union leaders, islington dinner party attendees and possibly even some milton friedman libertarians. they that open borders. no borders, no nations. as the saying goes it's for economic growth . but is it. some economic growth. but is it. some no doubt is. and today oecd has said that are openness to high skilled people is beneficial. but we must be certain of fact that we're dealing with, because britain has seen an unprecedented level of and low skilled migration over the last few decades . and this has been, few decades. and this has been, in spite of all parties , in spite of all parties, promising that immigration would be controlled. it hasn't been . be controlled. it hasn't been. net migration was at half a

million last year and on a current trajectory, our country may be poorer than poland per person by 2030. perhaps, as the journalist sam ashworth hayes has pointed out, there will be complaints in the polish press in the not too near future about british plumbers undercutting the wages of those in warsaw , a the wages of those in warsaw, a 2018 report from migration committee estimated that immigrants cost . the exchequer immigrants cost. the exchequer £4.3 billion. i quote immigration does not generate the tax receipts needed for migrants to pay their way, let alone to finance the new infrastructure or anything else required by rapid population growth . and this is important growth. and this is important because as you grow the population you see in countries with large population , such as with large population, such as china and india , gdp may china and india, gdp may increase . but the key is gdp per increase. but the key is gdp per capita. all you actually richer individually within the nation rather than has the nations total income grown. what do i

mean by this. well, roughly speaking , gdp per capita in the speaking, gdp per capita in the uk is £33,000. if you half a million people come in who only £15,000 on average the nation would be poorer. and this is why between 2008 and 2020, an increase in population of 2.5 million people saw a decrease in gdp per capita, meaning on average , we were less well off. average, we were less well off. and before you come to infrastructure . not talking infrastructure. not talking about schools , medical services about schools, medical services and such. 504,000 few migrants that arrived year. and that's not much of the population of manchester would require roughly . 170,000 new homes to be built . now we must point discuss the planning system , this program, planning system, this program, because there are serious problems with that. but if adding 170,000 extra houses to the total that is required in addition to those that, you need

for people in this country who are already here, who can't buy their own home with a planning system that is dysfunctional , system that is dysfunctional, you know that you're not going to have the houses that you need for the population that you've got that's real problem. got and, that's a real problem. and doesn't matter whether and it doesn't matter whether the investment for that is coming from the government or whether from private whether it's coming from private individuals a individuals building a new manchester year is a manchester every year is a sisyphean task . and we're not sisyphean task. and we're not alone in realising this. it's absolutely fascinating how things have changed in other european countries who have been taking measures to reduce both legal and illegal migration . legal and illegal migration. left in sweden has suddenly had to tighten its immigration laws after not wanting to have many controls and is even giving repatriation, advice and incentive something i hope we never do. here is it happens. greece has almost done what donald trump and built a wall to prevent 260,000 migrants from entering the eu. last year. prevent 260,000 migrants from entering the eu. last year . an entering the eu. last year. an immigration bill will reach the parliament later this month

which wants to speed up the process of removing those denied asylum . and denmark is thinking asylum. and denmark is thinking of sending people to rwanda. that sounds from it is seems very good plan because it's something that we're trying in this country but in denmark it's the social democrats who are calling for a cap on migration and stated that the price of globalisation mass immigration and the movement of labour is paid by the lower classes . and paid by the lower classes. and that's the problem that the poorest are the ones who the price of mass migration and those who are better off are the ones who may benefit from the provision of cheaper services , provision of cheaper services, cheaper hospitality and so on. it's those who are least well off and i often think my own constitue. so the least well—off are the ones are most likely to suffer . the united are the ones are most likely to suffer. the united kingdom has about 5 million people on out of work benefits. surely our aim should be not short term increase of migration, but helping those 5 million people so that we can boost our gdp per

capha so that we can boost our gdp per capita and make everyone in this country better off . as always, country better off. as always, i want to know what you think. so please get in touch with me and mail mog at gb news. but to discuss this further , i'm discuss this further, i'm delighted to be joined by shaun woodward, the former northern ireland, to gordon brown . shaun, ireland, to gordon brown. shaun, thank you so much for coming on. i don't know if you remember , i don't know if you remember, but we actually met when i a migrant worker working out in hong kong many years ago. so it's a good opportunity to discuss the benefits and dis benefits of migration. how much control , realistically, do you control, realistically, do you think we should have and how much do you think the population, the electorate go? first of all, jacob, it's a pleasure to be on your program andindeed pleasure to be on your program and indeed to see you, since hong kong goes well. i think chris patten resigned last in hong kong . i have to say my head hong kong. i have to say my head is spinning from your monologue. ihave is spinning from your monologue. i have my pen and paper ran out on a list of figures. i have my pen and paper ran out on a list of figures . and i have on a list of figures. and i have

to say, if of the viewers have followed this , they should get a followed this, they should get a special milk prize because at the end of the day, it's an extraordinary of figures. you will not. what i think the essential question here is somehow problems that we face in britain, skill shortages going to be resolved , whether we to be resolved, whether we follow your prescription or other people's prescriptions. but i dependence on migrant labour and i think the key answer here is no, it's not i mean we despite having as you rightly pointed out nearly 400,000 net migrants last year, i think record numbers . we've i think record numbers. we've still got around 1.2 million vacancies. and the job market we happen to have around 1.2 million people who are unemployed . but there's unemployed. but there's currently a dramatic mismatch between . those looking forjobs between. those looking forjobs and those who have jobs to offer and those who have jobs to offer and they don't fit . and in and they don't fit. and in a sense, that's really the essence of the problem here. we could

talk about immigration. we could talk about immigration. we could talk about immigration. we could talk about net migration. we can even talk about to the capstone . but the actual numbers of vacancies we're dealing with problem of productivity in the economy wasn't even much bigger snail than any of the numbers that you've given out tonight. and i think really where we've all got to focus , which is what all got to focus, which is what keir starmer was recently about, is we've got to be we do off this subject all migration as the solution to late and we've got to start talking about solutions the workforce the people who are here. well, i think that's a really important point because it to me, it's not entirely coincidental that over the last perhaps 30 years when we've seen big increase in migration, we've almost no increase in productivity . we've increase in productivity. we've had a very weak performance compared to other countries. and i just wonder whether bringing in unskilled people has meant that businesses haven't had the incentive to invest in productivity increases that might otherwise have helped

ensure that we didn't need the level of migration we've currently got . well, there's currently got. well, there's undoubtedly a need for some migration to deal with some very specific problems and mean one example that immediately springs to mind, and i'm sure you and i would both agree on that last yean would both agree on that last year, a crisis in the transport sector where we didn't have enough lorry drivers to get petrol to petrol stations. that seems to me to be a very good example of where actually issuing visas , people who can issuing visas, people who can come in and drive these lorries would have been sensible would have been very sensible being do it quickly , being able to do it quickly, expedite these things would essential. and again, one of the problems about our current immigration system how slow immigration system is how slow is and how badly it effectively matches the skills shortages to people who are coming . but people who are coming. but having said that , you know what having said that, you know what again strikes me as you take your sector like the food and accommodation sector, there are couple really in that sector, something in the order of 7% of

jobs not filled. now in the region, i think if about 150,000 jobs we can't fill now if we haven't got people to those jobs in accommodation and in those sectors relate to tourism. we've got a real problem and think one of the things we've got to do and irrespective of whether it's and irrespective of whether it's a conservative government or a labour government , government labour government, government has to recognise it has a has got to recognise it has a responsibility to do something about matching those. for example , leaving school with example, leaving school with having the skills to fill the jobs that are out there . but jobs that are out there. but surely that comes back to the 5 million who are effectively at the moment that entry level jobs in hospitality and so on require relatively training and can be filled by people who are currently not in employment who are already living here. well, i think there's danger of that

argument because it becomes race to the bottom. and if you take an area, for example, at the health service and social care, to some extent we've depended upon migrant labour. do the jobs that are the least well paid with the poorest and the problem is now we've got a massive shortage in that area because by failing to invest in the by failing to invest in the by failing to invest in the by failing to invest in the conditions by failing actually have decent levels pay we are seeing mass exodus of those staff on whom we depend to keep our hospitals open our care homes open and of those things that we need in the health and social care sector. and of course then plays into the nursing sector. course then plays into the nursing sector . well, because we nursing sector. well, because we see this massive gulf between those and their pay in the pubuc those and their pay in the public sector , the nhs and in public sector, the nhs and in the private . so we're seeing the private. so we're seeing tens of thousands of nurses trained and leaving the sector. now if we don't address that

because we only focus a race to the bottom , we are going to be the bottom, we are going to be in real crisis in, our health care system and we won't be able to fix that in the lifetime of just a new government. but i'd turn the rest bottom the other way round that what we need is to increase the domestic and to increase the innovation in the use of technology, domestic actually, rather than in, by and large, cheap unskilled labour from abroad. and that that's what we've relied on. and that's why pay hasn't increased and why technology hasn't been used . technology hasn't been used. well, to some extent, but self—evident, isn't it? because that's what the numbers have actually done. we've got large of people still wanting to come . we've got large numbers of vacancies. but if we don't look at holistically something like the health service and recognise that we have to pay nurses at a level that actually matches the private sector because , the private sector because, the market will decide as a consequence, these wonderful

nurses who dedicated themselves to the nhs are leaving because the conditions are too difficult, they're too demanding , they're killing for them. they are underpaid and if we don't address that as well as at the bottom , the thing we are going bottom, the thing we are going to find health service simply won't function at all. but that isn't about that's a different argument. that's not about bringing in more people from abroad because that keeps pay low . we know that the least low. we know that the least well—off do worst when the mass migration and that's why you see the people who are most concerned supporting brexit were by and large those on lower wages . we brought number of wages. we brought number of nurses in from outside of the uk and we've been that over the last 20 years. we began fully , last 20 years. we began fully, for example, in 1997, the huge in numbers of nurses by allowing people to come in and to work from countries outside of the uk. we haven't properly addressed this issue and in the last or 14 years this issue has

got a much, much worse, which is we're seeing this disaster. the nhs at the moment it isn't only a problem of people at the bottom are prepared to clean the floors of our hospitals it's because we're not paying the people who are nurses and our doctors level which is doctors that are level which is going to keep them in the service and we are now paying the price for an unmanaged way of recruiting our staff are not remunerated them properly and therefore integrate in as part of that but solution to our problem in health service is not going to be, as keir starmer said , well if somehow it became said, well if somehow it became if we only tweak the immigration system this way and that way reduces or do this will get a fix we won't we've got to look at our health care system and what we've got to look at is what we've got to look at is what we've got to look at is what we've got to do with that. how do we pay people? what the conditions are for those people? the investment we make the the investment we make in the technology and whether it's in health care or if it's health or social care or if it's in the food industry or tourism health or social care or if it's in accommodationy or tourism

health or social care or if it's in accommodation acrossurism health or social care or if it's in accommodation across then or accommodation across the piece . immigration or accommodation across the piece. immigration may or accommodation across the piece . immigration may help us. piece. immigration may help us. but at the end of the day , but at the end of the day, that's not the answer to the problem. well thank you. thank you so much, shaun. it's very nice to see you. albeit virtually again after many years and much appreciate your time. and also today . thank you . but i and also today. thank you. but i also want to know what you, the viewers think. so let me know on mail. gb news. after the break, we'll be hearing our distinguished panel on the disaster that is hs2. stick around about the latest blunder . you don't want to go anywhere unless you're a socialist. but. you .

welcome back. i'm still jacob rees—mogg and this is state of the nation. you've been getting in touch with your thoughts and. barbara herron of the evening i

followed your monologue perfectly . i've been saying the perfectly. i've been saying the same for years , so it's same for years, so it's extremely interesting to see that the figures now show the immigration obsession to be wrong, especially for the well—off. and sue says, hold all immigration and the problem of employment mismatch will solve itself. needs and if i remember rightly, that quotation continues. needs must wear the devil . anyway, it just too has devil. anyway, it just too has been delayed again. what a surprise, seeing as it's the 73rd time, that can't be true . 73rd time, that can't be true. but that's what it says in front of me. the 73rd time. but this round it's an attempt, if you can believe it, to cut costs . can believe it, to cut costs. very mind. the plan was originally projected cost £30 billion of your money taxpayers money. but it's now projected to reach over £70 billion. dare i say it's a little for cost cutting. all this is ridiculous. and more from rail network, which cuts, a journey from birmingham to london a mere 20 minutes or so. i think we should scrap it we must get away from the sunk fallacy we've spent

perhaps £10 billion so far, actually, 70 billion is a low estimate. it could now be over a hundred billion. we should save 90 billion rather than thinking that because spent 10 billion, we should go and on with this project. it's a mistake that governments often into because it's embarrassing to say the 10 billion has been written off the sunk cost fallacy . it's so sunk cost fallacy. it's so important that one doesn't get tied into it , important that one doesn't get tied into it, swamped by it to on making bad decisions and wasting more money. but i've got a brilliant panel with me and i'm going to put this question to me 20 minutes of the trip to birmingham. is it? it absolutely no. especially not from birmingham, but now, i think the hs2 was something that was probably done with the best. and unfortunately it has fallen as a failure. it is the rest of the entire of the levelling up agenda. entire of the levelling up agenda . it's something that was

agenda. it's something that was that was brought in as was great and now it's swallowed so much money that it's absolutely not worth i mean it's , it's a great worth i mean it's, it's a great thought to kind of connect more places together but isn't it it's kind of anti levelling up as much as it is pro levelling because it's kind of patronising in the sense that oh does everything to be so connected to london or can we just sort the railway network and the rest of the country to be just as effective as it is in london ? effective as it is in london? toby i think it's a terrible indictment of our civil service . it supposedly a rolls royce more like a trabant. i mean, as you said in your introductory remarks , it's more than doubled remarks, it's more than doubled in price . it was originally due in price. it was originally due to be completed by 2026. i think now the estimate is at best . now the estimate is at best. case 2037 and possibly the bit

that connects birmingham to manchester, not until 2041. in the meantime, the chinese who started in the mid 2000, have built one of the largest high speed rail in the world. i think it accounts for about two thirds of the high speed rail track now in the world. i mean , why is our in the world. i mean, why is our civil service so when it comes to, you know, these large capital projects? well, because we've got a dysfunctional planning system is of the reasons but also isn't it out of date postponed that we may have needed new rail conceivably and greater capacity prior the pandemic but with people still working from home much that i think there's going to the office we don't need the capacity that's being brought on now i think i think it's is a great idea but it's three years out of date now . i mean out of date now. i mean essentially what's the new thing. people go in tuesday, wednesday, thursday say right people that work from home that this is the new world that we're

in. commuting costs terrible. and they are expansion coming into london. but now don't have to commute as much. into london. but now don't have to commute as much . there is to commute as much. there is just simply no need it anymore. and as you pointed out, you know, with half of whitehall, if not three quarters of whitehall now working from home, it's going to be more difficult to do these sorts of projects working. you're sure very charitable you're sure it's very charitable up. also kindly i want to up. you also kindly i want to convinced that. but economically isn't it always the case that money is actually better spent on roads that? that's what people use that the number of car journeys is much a large carjourneys is much a large proportion of people's travel and train journeys. and we had this sort romance obsession this sort of romance obsession with the tank. we with thomas the tank. and we think railways, a and think roads, railways, a and everyone likes their childhood of railways and government policy shouldn't be made that way. also it's just an excuse for to go on strike, right? i mean , the rails that we have mean, the rails that we have don't work right now, they're not functioning. i haven't had a train. that's either not been

overcapacity or run on time for the last six months. so it's just another to be. yeah, i just had to cancel an event on april first because of the rail which are going to affect the underground on the ground in london. but is it of the london. but is it part of the kind of ongoing war on the motorists, this obsession with green greener than green trains are greener than cars. therefore we ought to have high speed and not better roads . and, you know, we're going to have be confined 15 minute have to be confined 15 minute cities and the ulez zone , as cities and the ulez zone, as you're about to talk about, is about to be expanded. i mean, you it's as though the you know, it's as though the motorist has become favourite whipping boy and there's really no now but even in parliament to stand up for the motorist but it's deeply political isn't it. because the motorist is the individual encapsulated whereas the trains are collectivist and they're collective and they don't particularly work. and as you say, they go on strike. i just wonder hs2 when it comes in would need any train drivers, but i bet it'll have them. yeah i expect it will. i mean as a

football fan i have to say i was quite looking forward to being able to follow my team, park rangers, bye bye . boxing the rangers, bye bye. boxing the journey. time to places like preston end and chef preston north end and chef fields and indeed birmingham as well as , west bromwich albion. well as, west bromwich albion. but by the time it's actually completed, if it's ever completed, if it's ever completed , i imagine, you know, completed, i imagine, you know, i'll be too old to follow the team around , the country where team around, the country where you might have convinced you you might have convinced me. you said get headingley said you get headingley slightly faster. that's a different faster. but that's a different game. distinguished game. i'm even distinguished panel controversialist panel of controversialist couldn't hs2, but couldn't disagree on hs2, but still ahead, our friends and partners the channel have proposed some unusual new rules. so i'll be digging into that once again with my panellists don't go away. don't make me off

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nation. i'm jacob rees—mogg. once again, you've been getting in touch with your male mugs. can residents along the route have consistently told the government and the people of hs2 that was wrong and the that the route was wrong and the cost was not thought through would rise exponentially and residents have been right. vox popular de as i've said popular vox de as i've said before , sandy, i wish you could before, sandy, i wish you could and visit us in amersham. i did go. there was a by—election there amersham mushroom that i went didn't do terribly. went to. we didn't do terribly. hs2 has decimated our lovely, lovely surrounding lovely area and surrounding including areas very close to chequers. we all spoke out against it before work started, but we had no idea what damage it would do. for of us to get no benefits from the line at all. appalling i have great sympathy with . the french polar has with. the french polar has announced its proposed plans to strip parents of the right to share images of their children onune share images of their children online instagram and things like this . online instagram and things like this. there's a new online instagram and things like this . there's a new private this. there's a new private member's bill which is still in its draft phase , will seek to its draft phase, will seek to stop parent sharing eating, which they describe posting

pictures of one's children onune. pictures of one's children online . and if you do, you might online. and if you do, you might get a social taking charge of your child's image. so it's not unusual that the new generation of tik tok parents have been sharing their journeys in pictures i did on instagram quite a bit actually, and my children quite like it. but should i get ? a visit from should i get? a visit from social services if i were to tell me that i shouldn't do it and that they would take charge of my children's image , i'm of my children's image, i'm delighted to be joined by the day the telegraaf journalist anne—elisabeth elizabeth, anne—elisabeth moutet elizabeth, thank you so much joining me. i don't know if you remember, but many, years ago you many, many years ago you interviewed me. so very glad interviewed me. so i'm very glad to you again. decades to meet you again. decades later. but in the flesh. tell me more about what the proposals . more about what the proposals. you are quite stunning. we were 18. it's quite. well, it's quite a long time because i'm now 53 and we haven't met since. but we mustn't reminisce. we must get down to business. is this. is it a serious proposition or is it a real rule that won't go anywhere

7 real rule that won't go anywhere ? it's being now discussed in the senate. it's very interesting that for the first time in several months, the french national assembly found itself left and right in in agreement over the law and of course, described you. do you describe the excesses before the law and the excesses are obviously sort of a threat , obviously sort of a threat, civil liberties, but if you think that by age, by the time a child is 13, the parents have shared about 2000 pictures of them. and that about 60% of the appalling pictures that you find on websites are used using and then sort of changing you. but then sort of changing you. but the pictures of children that are found on social media you can see that there's matter of a worry and there's also a matter of a worry when a some parents who really don't believe they exist, but they do exist, treat their children , indeed even their children, indeed even their children, indeed even their pets and probably see them

both exactly in the same way in sort of strange and not exactly degrading , sort of strange and not exactly degrading, but really stupid things like throwing a slice of cheese on the face of a baby or an animal and their reactions. and then then you get stupid laughter in the background. that's just one of those stupid ideas. that's just one of those stupid ideas . so all that's just one of those stupid ideas. so all of this is except when parents allowed to share your pictures, your pictures . your pictures, your pictures. yeah, but aren't parents allowed to be stupid ? i obviously see to be stupid? i obviously see you certainly don't want rings using these pictures, but parents allowed bizarrely show the pictures to their friends . the pictures to their friends. there's a limit to the silliness and i think actually one of those things when you actually know it when you see it and again, you get babies, i mean, some of them find this funny, but some of them get crying. you still hear laughter , the still hear laughter, the background. we're talking small babies. we're talking babies were under two. it's not pleasant. and if you remember that kind of thing leads to this

footballer who kicked his cat and he was being filmed by his brother and they all thought it was great entertainment to be kicking the sport up with a big boot. kicking the sport up with a big boot . so that's you get cats, boot. so that's you get cats, you know, you get people to react about cats, but children surely at least deserve as much respect as gets children. i agree that. thanks so much, elizabeth. and i hope we meet in person in the too not future. but my excellent is still with me. toby young of free speech union and cora kennedy, the spectator, usa . clearly, one spectator, usa. clearly, one shouldn't be laughing , children shouldn't be laughing, children crying and things like . but is crying and things like. but is the answer to put social workers in charge ? no, i don't think so. in charge? no, i don't think so. i mean, it feels like state overreach. and in some ways typically , i mean, if you want typically, i mean, if you want to encourage parents to be a bit more responsible , i don't think more responsible, i don't think the way to do it is, to threaten them with prosecution. they put pictures of their children doing silly things on social media. you know, you could persuade

them. you can educate them. but to threaten them with having their children's image rights taken and handed over to a social worker seems like state over.i social worker seems like state over. i mean, this is a problem that i encounter as a columnist in a way. jacob so i'm constantly of looking for material to fill my spectator column with, and i often find myself writing about my children . but recently they started to because rachel johnson , boris because rachel johnson, boris johnson's sister , she told my johnson's sister, she told my children that she has a deal with hers whereby she writes about one of her children in one of her columns. she gives them £75 and my children demand £75 whenever i just very stop me writing about we're not after the watershed and my children may be watching . so i think may be watching. so i think that's a really bad idea. you have concerns about tick tock. so yeah. so am the most anti tech talk . gen—z 24 year old. tech talk. gen—z 24 year old. i think i've seen first hand the danger of this i mean it is

chinese is fentanyl all essentially that is being distributed to the public to american british children from the of two years old people have ticked off accounts i mean it's too poor how how parents their children be so absorbed into this terrible media. but your concern is more about parents allowing their children on social than putting pictures of their own children on social media. well think i would totally agree with toby. i hadnt totally agree with toby. i hadn't first hadn't seen the issues with tech talk it's in credibly dangerous is an incredibly i think and estimated social media i mean billions and billions of people sign up to every hashtag you see has multiple billions of people looking at it . multiple billions of people looking at it. i mean this is this is a massive massive amount of population watching these videos . so if i was a parent no,

videos. so if i was a parent no, i would not put my children social media just just in case they get onto tiktok. never mind on tiktok. personally, i've quite relaxed about my i mean, i've got alfred to learn how to say brexit when he was quite which i put on twitter, i was for anything time i was going and enlisted my own son who was something like 12 at the time and they leave campaign as well and they leave campaign as well and i think he now is slightly cross but you know cross about it but you know i think i mean a neighbour of mine has enlisted did their daughter wasn't 18 i think when this began on to tik tok and she became think actually of her own volition became a tik tok star. yeah she do very much she mind to song she smiled in a particularly engaging way, and suddenly she had this of global following millions , not tens of following millions, not tens of millions of people all over the world. and she's become of incredibly famous and rich as a consequence . and you know, it's consequence. and you know, it's i don't think she in any way

regrets kind of tik tok fame . regrets kind of tik tok fame. yeah and i mean i think the problem one of the problems with this this new law, if it does become a law in france, is you're not just going stop parents putting pictures of their children on social media, but stop children from putting pictures of themselves and their friends on social media and that sort of , friends on social media and that sort of, again, seems a friends on social media and that sort of , again, seems a little sort of, again, seems a little bit draconian, little bit too much. we really need to restrict children's liberty when we know. of course, i'm sure , of social of course, i'm sure, of social media platforms is damaging to children's psychological health, but can't it be done in moderation? we expect to moderation? we expect parents to police this behaviour a little bit and not just assume it's the state's to state's responsibility to protect. it's taking responsibility away from parents. remember the snp parents. do you remember the snp wanted have every in wanted have every child in scotland have a named adult appointed by the state who was responsible for that child over and above the parents? i think it was deeply sinister . it was deeply sinister. certainly to see certainly wouldn't want to see that here. no, i do. and that happen here. no, i do. and i do agree with you. if it was an if it was to do with instagram , facebook or other

instagram, facebook or other social but i have seen social media. but i have seen tiktok . it is social media. but i have seen tiktok. it is so i mean, there's just nothing like it. we were in the green room about going on tech talk and it is it's in your mind you can mention something on your phone 20 minutes before. 20 minutes later you will find that exactly sending the that could only have come from your mine and exactly that on your screen. it is so consuming i can go tik tok and 5 hours later i don't know where that 5 hours have gone. it's so there and think the fact that we're all so plugged into it is i would neven plugged into it is i would never, ever want my children to be on it nor not in a way that i would put limits on anything else that my children want. i don't in these draconian over overreaching rules for the state. but thank you. but with so much it won't surprise you to know they need to talk. i have personally. excuse me. my children is a grandfather clock tick tock very nicely but thank you very panellists for that . we you very panellists for that. we hope to see them next week

coming next ulez or you lose. people aren't happy about the on the motorist. find out what's happened the break and keep more the box .

welcome back to state of nation with me jacob rees—mogg once you've been getting in touch with your mail, mogg travis with regards the french proposal, i understand the need for child protection. however we should not do anything to restrict freedom of speech and expression . stuart says i completely agree with not sharing of children or grandchildren as it could come back to bite them when. they're older. there are way too many bad people out there. i must confess. i try and make sure the pictures i put of my children on won't be embarrassing to them in later life unless you count wearing a blue rosette as

potentially , then potentially embarrassing, then you're a socialist and probably wrong . anyway, absolutely wrong. anyway, i'm absolutely delighted to have peter whittle with this evening to talk about ulez , but also the new cultural ulez, but also the new cultural forum. yes yes. you've set up in the running, but let's with you, les , the war on the motorist . if les, the war on the motorist. if we're to get to net, aren't we going to have to a war on the motorist and aren't those of us like our petrol engines just going to have to lump it? no, i don't think so. think that you're quite right to call it a war on the motorist. i think that there is a strong ideological element to this attack on the car. actually i think it's actually going to become much issue as we go on, regardless of what happens with ulez, which is extraordinarily unfair and tax basically on people outside london, which in fact, will hit the poorest people. the most. and what i

find sort of honest if you're if you're talking about environmental issues, jacob, what is weird about this is that, you know we have an ideologically mayor and one of those ideologies is obviously cycling and cycling lanes. i'm sure you go around london all the time . i do every day. if you the time. i do every day. if you want to create bad quality. the one way of doing it is to put loads of cycling lanes in which no one uses or sometimes completely empty . and so you completely empty. and so you have gridlocked traffic just standing there, pumping out fumes . so, i standing there, pumping out fumes. so, i mean, this is this is utterly ridiculous. and how worried. should we be about people , the cameras, the ulez people, the cameras, the ulez cameras. this did happen when speed cameras first came in. it's always a bad sign when people take law into their own hands, it's against the rule of law, but it sometimes that the politicians have moved so far away from what people are willing to tolerate , that they willing to tolerate, that they end up taking extreme note of.

see, you know, one doesn't want, you know, people to damage pubuc you know, people to damage public property. but when you have a situation where in this case the mayor is simply not listening there was a consultation about this which shows were against it most of the people in fact in the outside powers in london it goes right into the home counties as well and are against there is a level of frustration in obviously a particular reality, i might add, when as happened last week, the mayor then starts calling you far right for basically protest , calling you far right for basically protest, simply protesting against the unions isn't the basis for it's bordering on dishonest it's about air quality and a lot of the places where it's being imposed don't have any problem with air quality people that the very centre of london may do. yes, but once you get into the london, air is pure. well, london, the air is pure. well, exactly . your colleague gareth exactly. your colleague gareth bacon mp is been very, very good

on this . he used to be my piece. on this. he used to be my piece. he is a great man. all right. right. well, he's been very, very good on this. he's mp for orpington. he's made the point that obviously the air quality is quite different in places like orpington also people on their mean, far more in their cars. i mean, far more in those access public those places. access public transport is really not but also they are fundamentally different places. you know, some of them are almost village in many ways . and so what you've got a mayor who's trying to convince them that in fact the situation they face is as bad or indeed if not worse than in central london. the mask mandate , it hasn't he the mask mandate, it hasn't he that he won the popular vote only a year ago doesn't he have the right to do this even if people like us don't like it? well not necessarily, actually, because i mean, the fact is, is a politician has put things in their manifestos all the time. but the fact is, once you have done various feasibility studies

, consultations, the picture and i think in this case, for example, one study showed that in fact, the effect on air quality was , in fact, minimal, quality was, in fact, minimal, right . that was quite recent . right. that was quite recent. and so, in fact, any should listen . and this is a listen. and this is a particularly ideological and particularly ideological and particularly arrogant mayor, but he has a mandate to be ideological that that's you . he ideological that that's you. he won. well, no, not like this but he did win the mandate. but i think that that's too simplistic way of looking at circumstances change, what's happened since . change, what's happened since. he, you know, won the mandate if you like is that basically we have a situation where londoners are hugely suffering now financially we've had obviously lockdown the pandemic but people are struggling the last thing they need now is to pay £12, 50

charge to come into london . that charge to come into london. that includes tradesmen not people in their own cars . it hits the their own cars. it hits the least well—off because they're the ones with the older vehicles who will be the most, most amazing. exactly. i wonder if we can on to the new cultural forum, because you're doing a serious i right? that is serious am i right? that is going to update kenneth clarke not confused with kenneth not to be confused with kenneth europhile. who is a very europhile. clarke who is a very distinguished figure in the tory party, but updating the wow party, but updating all the wow well that is a course is well that's that is a course is a an extraordinary are you a compliment pay. yes what we're doing jacob we the new culture form believes in defending culture and western civilisation since we started in 2006 we have just made a six part series on basically why western civilisation is a good thing and why is achieved. what has and why is achieved. what has and why it should defended it will be on youtube as of the 28th of

march. it is we have drawn inspiration from kenneth clarke's famous 1969 series. i think it was put it this way, the bbc would never be able to make a series like that now with any confidence , even if they any confidence, even if they wanted to, because they don't wanted to, because they don't want to. and so i think fallen really to new media to do it. it's presented by mark sidwell and basically the point behind really is quite simply this is that we want to be able tell people, particularly young people, particularly young people well why they should defend western civilisation, they're going to why they should be proud of their country , their be proud of their country, their civilisation and shocking things like that. how are you all of that going to? not going to that going to? it's not going to be sort of just a total hagiography of the west by any means , but it will look at all means, but it will look at all the different strains that have made the west unique, you know, philosophical scientific, artistic , democratic. and artistic, democratic. and i think that's the crucial thing.

what i hope happens with this , what i hope happens with this, is that it arms people with the knowledge because at moment there is without question an outright attack i think on west we see it on a basis whether it's in small things like trying to change classic books all the way through to critical race theory . and i think this the theory. and i think this the function of this and what will be a great success for the series is if actually it tells people, look, this is what you can when you're in argument, this is what the west has done. this what makes it so brilliant? well sounds very interesting. we must all tune when it comes out watch gb news first. thank you, peter . that's all from us. we'll peter. that's all from us. we'll be back tomorrow night, though, not me. from 8 pm. up next, it's patrick christys in his last night covering from dan wootton. you have the best work ethic of anybody i know . what ethic of anybody i know. what have you got in store tonight ? have you got in store tonight? well, jake, another cracking show for me, may i say i going to be talking about why i don't

think the taxpayer should be paying think the taxpayer should be paying reparations for the slave trade caribbean. so i'll trade to the caribbean. so i'll be going in with that. i'm with it. kim joins she's going to take on emmanuel macron take off on emmanuel macron about footballer about mackenzie and footballer matt letizia. well, so you got stuck gary lineker as all stuck into gary lineker as all are and more. are coming your way and more. well that turns out truly wonderfully of wonderfully reminds me of the terrible to terrible joke. my wife went to the no, she the caribbean. jamaica no, she went her own accord . that's went of her own accord. that's all after the weather. all coming up after the weather. and you won't want to miss because weather's a bit because the weather's a bit chilly the moment, in chilly at the moment, even in somerset. but i'm back next week from up till then, keep from 8 pm. up till then, keep mogul vicious . hello i'm alex mogul vicious. hello i'm alex deakin and is your latest weather update from the met office we have issued amber warnings for parts of northern northern england and wales heavy snow continuing to fall here into the night. this area of low pressure responsible. the winds also picking up as the wet weather moves , hitting the cold weather moves, hitting the cold air. that's where we're seeing the heaviest snowfall starting to turn. more to rain over parts the midlands this evening, but a safer wales parts of northern england and northern heavy snow

will continuing blown around by gusty winds. some atrocious travelling conditions, power are also possible as well as the potential for some rural communities to be cut off by 10 to 20 centimetres of snow. maybe the hills of northern england, 40 centimetres snow . in the 40 centimetres of snow. in the south it's mostly rain because it's milder here further north for scotland, most place is dry but it could be icy northern scotland and it will be scotland and it will again be well freezing here on the well below freezing here on the snow easing by the morning over northern ireland and steady petering northern petering out over northern england and wales through the morning as but still morning as well. but still further sleet and snow likely over eastern well into over eastern england, well into friday and then steadily pushing a little further south, blown along by a cold wind , many for along by a cold wind, many for the west, it's a bright fine day tomorrow. lots of sunshine , but tomorrow. lots of sunshine, but of course, they'll still be quite a bit of snow lying on the ground it will cold at ground and it will feel cold at four or five celsius, a colder feel in the south after things have turned a bit milder today. look this. blue taking look at this. the blue taking hold the chart on friday

hold of the chart on friday evening, there be a hard evening, there will be a hard across the of across the country the start of the further snow the weekend. further snow showers in across showers coming in across northern and again, northern scots and again, potentially quite here still for many saturday, be another bright fine day as we go through the morning though. the cloud will thicken with outbreaks of rain coming into

no spin , no bias, no censorship. no spin, no bias, no censorship. this is dan wootton tonight with me patrick christys . a smug gary me patrick christys. a smug gary lineker broken cover after his crass jibe . do you fear getting crass jibe. do you fear getting suspended? no. you might even . suspended? no. you might even. gary reckons he's presenting of the day this saturday as well. but home secretary suella braverman definitely doesn't agree with his claim that it's been blown out of proportion. a person or point of view to hear that kind characterisation is

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