david lloyd to discuss this. then london mayor sadiq khan. sadiq turpin has branded you as opponents far right covid deniers and tory. but with only one death, tragic death caused by pollution in london over the last 20 years has sadiq gone a little bit too far again .7 plus, little bit too far again? plus, for dishing out, i'll be speaking to fleming, ireland actor and writer, about everything from statues to slavery and the dreadful empire and perhaps most importantly of all, i want to hear from you. so send your views my way . send your views my way. vaiews@gbnews.uk that's all coming up after the headlines with armstrong . hello there. i'm with armstrong. hello there. i'm out with armstrong in the gb newsroom. borisjohnson out with armstrong in the gb newsroom. boris johnson may have misled the house of commons at least four times, according to mpas , investigating his conduct mpas, investigating his conduct over partygate the commons privileges committee . breaches privileges committee. breaches of coronavirus rules in downing

street would have been obvious to mr. at the time , the to mr. johnson at the time, the former prime minister repeatedly denied rules were broken at number 10. when asked about that in the commons. he says it was his belief or guidance been his belief or guidance had been followed . the reason there's no followed. the reason there's no evidence to show that. i must have known or i must have believed that illegal events were taking place. it's because i didn't. and i thought we were fighting covid to the best of our ability in very difficult circumstances in number 10, in the cabinet office , night and the cabinet office, night and day . and i believe that what we day. and i believe that what we were doing was in conformity with the covid regulations so thatis with the covid regulations so that is why i said what i said. and in parliament. boris johnson says he would have queried sue gray in depends once before appointing her to investigate if he'd known she joined labour. the senior civil servant who's been appointed , sir keir been appointed, sir keir starmer's, new chief of staff , starmer's, new chief of staff, found widespread rule breaking

had taken place in government buildings . had taken place in government buildings. mr. johnson was fined by police . labour say boris by police. labour say boris johnson's using the appointment to vindicate himself after he was ousted over a series of scandals . conservative mp jacob scandals. conservative mp jacob rees—mogg has called for a proper inquiry into the appointment . major ambulance appointment. major ambulance strikes in england wales have been called off after what unions have described as a huge shift in the government's position. tens of thousands of key workers in england had been due to walk out on monday and wednesday next week. unison and gmb have suspended industrial action though following agreement by ministers to reopen pay agreement by ministers to reopen pay talks for this next financial year. pay talks for this next financial year . strikes in wales financial year. strikes in wales and scotland have also been paused for talks with that respective governments . respective governments. meanwhile, teachers in scotland have received a new pay offer . have received a new pay offer. the proposal is offering a 7% pay the proposal is offering a 7% pay rise backdated to april last yeah pay rise backdated to april last year. that's a further and also a further 5% from this april and another 2% from next year. the

educational institute of scotland plans 20 days of rolling strikes targeting every local authority north of the border between march and april . border between march and april. concerns marched in a mock gordon have been remanded in custody after the remains of a baby were found on wednesday. the pair were charged with manslaughter , concealing the manslaughter, concealing the birth of a child and perverting the course of justice. at crawley magistrates court . the crawley magistrates court. the remains of the baby named in court documents as victoria were found in a shed in brighton following a major search and the parallel pair at, the old bailey. at the end of the month. tv online a dab radio . this is tv online a dab radio. this is gb news but now it's to laurence one thing which remains true evenin one thing which remains true even in uncertain times, is that

human beings have far more in common than we give ourselves credit for. from saints to serial killers , all of humanity serial killers, all of humanity is on an unending search for meaning . what is our endeavour meaning. what is our endeavour or place among the 7 billion companions we share this planet 7 companions we share this planet ? who knows ? some turn to god to ? who knows? some turn to god to complete the circle in anticipation of or salvation once they have shuffled off this mortal coil . they live their mortal coil. they live their lives with one eye on what dreams may come in that eternal sleep . for others, it is simply sleep. for others, it is simply to die. to sleep? no more. a life of fourscore years. in ten they take the world as it is. and for better or worse, they the day in the knowledge there is no ever after. and then in the middle is every other iteration of humanity , each iteration of humanity, each unique and individual. take on our shared existence or unique this is our greatest strength . this is our greatest strength. and yet also it is our greatest enemy , since it has become enemy, since it has become plainly obvious that nature was right. god dead and we have

killed him a great deal of the killing done by the church itself. ironically, something else was sorely needed to replace the space formerly occupied by the almighty. a new and manmade religion was required to fill the vacuum which nature so abhors. so mankind decided to devote himself half to kindness at any cost, even at the cost of kindness . self first. came the kindness. self first. came the elevation of normal regular conversation and political discourse into the sphere of fundamentalist religious extremism . what was formerly extremism. what was formerly acceptable disagreement on the grounds of critical thinking for the benefit of free expression has become the new heresy of any kind, be it over the climate lockdowns, injections , woman, lockdowns, injections, woman, face or race is immediately stamped with the judgement of denial and allegations of far right extremism . powerful stuff right extremism. powerful stuff climate deniers. lockdown deniers. not seen deniers become

called people this week. how can you deny a vaccine? common sense itself is now a far right conspiracy theory. as our good friend siddiq reminded us this week to mixed reviews , their week to mixed reviews, their objections in 2006, when we banned smoking from public places and. their objections. now what i find unacceptable, though is some of those who have legitimate objections is joining hands with some of those outside who are part of a far right group, who are . some of those ? group, who are. some of those? some of those some of those outside . some of those. some outside. some of those. some those. let's be frank . let's those. let's be frank. let's call let's call a spade a spade. some of those outside are part of the far right's summer. some are deniers . some are vaccine are deniers. some are vaccine deniers and some are tories or

should all day want to charming if thin skinned chap, thick skinned, even chap this progressive is . they're all progressive is. they're all positive. so the new religion is very inclusive and diverse and easy to feel part of as adherence demands no meaningful interaction with the truth whatsoever . quite the contrary. whatsoever. quite the contrary. in fact, the anything disciple of the new religion really needs to sign up to is the doctrines and signal them virtuously on unending repeat to us, calling anyone who doesn't do the same. a far right, bigoted fascist comment is naive , anti—vax comment is naive, anti—vax conspiracy theorist symbols. they aren't even hindered by having to adhere to the very doctrines they preach. as the climate crisis doomsday cultist globetrotting from conference to conference in their protest so consistently and irritatingly prove the same is true of the lockdowns fanatics. those in the regime , the opposition to the regime, the opposition to the regime, the opposition to the regime, and the media who push virtuously for longer and harder

lockdowns have to do something deeply familiar. this week. it's called souls rapidly reverse, ferreting on some of their more extreme positions and the truth slowly into view . matthew slowly into view. matthew hancock , in his infinite wisdom hancock, in his infinite wisdom , decided to shed 2.3 million words of whatsapp communiques with a journalist who wasn't particularly famous for keeping confidences . one would have confidences. one would have thought that breaking such a large story would have the media and conniption fit, but as it is, the completely and not in any way political hacks on the today programme, rather than putting mrs. miss oakeshott on the back for this mega data of ministerial stupidity , decided ministerial stupidity, decided instead to shoot the messenger. nick robinson attempted to hastily assemble something resembling dignity in a conscience and chose to take a p0p conscience and chose to take a pop at isobel's betrayal of matthew added matthew's betrayal of our entire country . forgive of our entire country. forgive me for finding none of this particularly interesting. you see us far to far too often

extremists who manage to hold on to a morsel of critical during the persistent china ification of britain in these past years , of britain in these past years, knew that this day would come. the slow and carefully managed reveal the awakening from the dream of the extremely virus. the plot had too many holes , you the plot had too many holes, you see. and now all of us must share in cold wonder at the sheer enormity of the calamity . sheer enormity of the calamity. and those of us who, by dint birth, were born with curious , birth, were born with curious, sceptical minds, so reviled and, persecuted in this time of the new religion. watch this strange reveal with a sense of foreboding the foundations of a narrative are being set. they will have to the up . but will will have to the up. but will they confess to what the up covers up ? i'm not holding my covers up? i'm not holding my breath . it's going to take more breath. it's going to take more than a few million leaked whatsapps to wake people up . so

whatsapps to wake people up. so where does this leave us? that is the question. matthew is off to qvc or somewhere similar that much is but what about much is clear. but what about the picture , this oddly the broader picture, this oddly coincidental up which just happened to accidentally take place all around the world at exactly the same time, the mere mention of a possible drive towards one world government. these instantaneously these days is instantaneously shut down with the ever lazy allegation anti—semitism. shut down with the ever lazy allegation anti—semitism . new allegation of anti—semitism. new dog. . what about the dog. same tricks. what about the deaths? the deaths? why was drug repurposing shut down so severely? what about midazolam matthew? what about the vaccination of children, pregnant women and the healthy? what about exercise? what about vitamin d for crying loud. the truth dies darkness and these whatsapps do not bring any closer to the light. so i, for one, will not be applauding two of the so—far predictable tragedy until the entire truth in all its uncomfortable ugliness, is out for all to see. there must be no stone left unturned . any way of inquiry

unturned. any way of inquiry cordoned off to spare the blushes. that must be a full, open and honest inquiry about this. the darkest time human history. but the voice is asking that debate under fire again, slandered and ridiculed, despite the fact that time upon time they have been proved right . far they have been proved right. far too right. far too often to be ignored. ignored if we do not learn from history, we're destined to repeat . free speech. destined to repeat. free speech. thought inquiry is the vaccine to prevent future infection . but to prevent future infection. but free speech is the only . this free speech is the only. this new religion will not and cannot tolerate tolerate . well joining tolerate tolerate. well joining me to discuss this is nhs gp, dr. david lloyd . good evening, dr. david lloyd. good evening, david. and the covid lockdowns and experiment in the battery farming of humanity. and experiment in the battery farming of humanity . well, i farming of humanity. well, i need to give you a health warning. afraid i am at the end of the spectrum. from where you're coming. i believe that

lockdowns or an entirely good thing. i think the evidence is overwhelming. and if give me the chance, i will through some of the scientific data that we've got so far on the effects of lockdown and what it's done to save lives. well, that's what i'm going to draw. i appreciate that. we can where we are at different places on our journey through life. but rather than examining data would you say that your to the nation your thinking about the was affected by your age . no thinking about the was affected by your age. no i, thinking about the was affected by your age . no i, don't think by your age. no i, don't think so. i worked for them for the two years of covid i had a very privileged life in that, unlike everybody else who was stuck in, i locked down here this i was locked down here in this looking after patients had covid. i was running the local covid. i was running the local covid hub and the first thing we thought about was caring for patients in this terrible disease. my age didn't come into it really. i had to god gave it

to us and i've had no problems dunng to us and i've had no problems during the government ignored the science in regards to the second lockdown, particularly i think know if we if i'm afraid if start dissecting of the individual lockdowns i will have evidence i think by i think we got the first bit right, the fifth best bit wrong. and i think we got the second bit right. i think by some extraordinary collection of different things we've managed to steer a course so that our population as a whole now has a large amount resistance to covid. and we did on the second lockdown, perhaps overdo it, but on the first lockdown we were too late. so we lost a lot of too late. so i, we lost a lot of lives at the beginning. and i think we've managed get just think we've managed get it just about right where it's about right now where it's trying to that's got it slightly wrong but i think the evidence is overwhelming the is overwhelming that the countries early saved countries that did early saved many more lives than we did . and

many more lives than we did. and what do you make of that ? you what do you make of that? you know, as we see these whatsapps reveal themselves , do you think reveal themselves, do you think that we're being given a narrative? what do you make of the suppression of alternative treatment to repurposed drugs and things this ? well, you know and things this? well, you know far more about this than what's right, i'm afraid. the telegraph is on the side of the paywall, and i do think i want to burden my life with a right journal. but the it's not it's not from the telegraph. it's very revealing terms of the discussions that were had. but the data is absolutely clear that we got something things very right. the vaccines , which very right. the vaccines, which again, i notice that you get a little hesitant about the vaccine, save millions of lives , lockdown, save millions of lives . and what's fascinating lives. and what's fascinating because is that some of the data comes from very political sources. if you at democratic state in the united states and repubu state in the united states and republi can states in the united states which have very different attitudes to lockdown and mask

wearing for instance , you'll wearing for instance, you'll find that the death toll in the republican states was 38% higher. and those in the democrat states. so we've actually got data not only in science but in politics that shows us that they didn't destroy their economies in the process . and so the thing don't process. and so the thing don't enjoy about the covid debate flinging around data because i flinging around data because i fling around data talking about , you know, people only people to vitamin just there is fundamentally important with this it's great to have feelings and the ability to talk about everything which is great, but you need to have scientific data to present evidence for and against lockdowns . but the against lockdowns. but the scientists said that we should lockdown for omicron a cold. well, i'm not pleased the data is there . if you want to know, is there. if you want to know, i can't split it out or not. but i promise you lockdown's done in 1211 european countries saved , 3

1211 european countries saved, 3 million lives and the death rate . we have figures out of thin air. 50,000 people compared to 2500 people in new zealand. i know a smaller population, but we want. can you understand? can you understand why the public these things and the tragedies of lockdown as you as lots people have said all that was very isolating for a lot people there's a lot of disease i was spending my life on earth now because people didn't come forward during lockdown. the mental health was extraordinary . those were extraordinary times. if you could have sat in my clinic in april 2020, the ambulances would queuing down the drive well for days . forget the drive well for days. forget the drive well for days. forget the david. forget me. sorry. forgive me. in april 2020. sorry excuse me in april 2020, i was sat watching my mother die . and sat watching my mother die. and then i was attending a funeral

alone with my family . well, alone with my family. well, these is in parliament. we're partying, so i'm done. thank you . i'm sorry. i shouldn't have sworn , but i'm not listening to sworn, but i'm not listening to this . lockdown's a good stuff this. lockdown's a good stuff anymore . i don't agree with you. anymore. i don't agree with you. thank you for coming on. right. i'm sorry . thank you for coming on. right. i'm sorry. i just to make this subject for me, i find it very , subject for me, i find it very, very upsetting . thank you, very upsetting. thank you, david. coming out, sadiq khan slams onto you guys. protesters far right in covid deniers . is far right in covid deniers. is he right? we'll be having a debate don't go anywhere. i back

in three. hey, welcome back to gb newsroom laurence fox. now the mayor london, sadiq khan . a few london, sadiq khan. a few eyebrows last night when at a

pubuc eyebrows last night when at a public meeting in west london , public meeting in west london, he slammed those demonstrating the expansion of the ulez scheme , saying, quote, some of those outside are part of the far right. some of them are covid deniers, some are vaccine deniers, some are vaccine deniers and some are tories. what is vaccine denier? does not mean? that means that we're on the same side as perhaps across the same side as perhaps across the uk, various councils are trying to copy sadiq and implement all sorts of low traffic and environmental policies. are they just more examples of government overreach or ? are they necessary or? are they necessary inconvenience is to debate this , i'm joined now by the editor of the greater london transport newsletter, richard town and director of climate media coalition . donna mccarthy . good coalition. donna mccarthy. good evening. both let's start, richard is ulez the ultra low emission zone was started in in the early 2000s by boris johnson and before then ken livingstone

planned and there was a very difficulty in air pollution at the time and this was due to poor motor design poor car maintenance and over traffic congestion in the central london area. both those plans both ken's plans ken livingstone , ken's plans ken livingstone, france and boris johnson's plans worked out and were taken on board by the current mayor sadiq khan , who has seen it to that if khan, who has seen it to that if he extends his power and reach firstly , october 21 to the north firstly, october 21 to the north and south circular roads and now on august 29th, russia to the greater london boundary. you are needed. greater london boundary. you are needed . jonica do these measures needed. jonica do these measures go far enough ? well, good go far enough? well, good evening . i think it's a good evening. i think it's a good step in the right direction.

it's only effects 8% of car owners in london are affected by these proposals and i think the mayor's absolute and correct londoners , which are where the londoners, which are where the highest number of premature are now occurring from air pollution deserve clean air. i don't try to nor kids have the freedom to go to their nursery school and have the air reach legal levels of cleanliness. i think it's a good step in the right direction under boris johnson's and for they can measure so far in the current if you like zone have been terrific in the number of non—compliant polluting cars. it's brilliant because also for me just on a personal it saved one life in 22 years which is brilliant so surely these these these may maybe don't go far enough should it be more . yes. enough should it be more. yes. i mean, let's start off by saying what is air pollution in london? only half of london's air pollution is traffic generated . pollution is traffic generated. the rest comes from wood burning stoves, for example , gas fired,

stoves, for example, gas fired, central heating road, river and rail . and it is those it is that rail. and it is those it is that side, which is not going to be affected if we took the world health recommended pollution levels which are not passed into uk law currently now and stopped all traffic tomorrow morning still . the traffic pollution still. the traffic pollution levels for you show limits would not be met. are you suggesting that we should have the who. get involved in our own traffic as well as how we deal with the next pandemic. certainly the w.h.o. next pandemic. certainly the who. limits are being w.h.o. limits are being considered . the department of considered. the department of transport , but they represent transport, but they represent a half of what is currently in in order. thank you, donna . what do order. thank you, donna. what do you think it says about city khan's leadership that he has to label everyone who disagrees him a far right extremist tory or vaccine denier ? i don't actually

vaccine denier? i don't actually i listened to what what was said and my understanding that's not what he said. he actually said some them were from from the far right, but actually somebody the are opponents of this change from political persuasions right left and centre however you gave polling of londoners as a whole have shown two thirds of us welcome this because we actually want the clean air. the gentleman is right the car pollution is only 50% of the pollution is only 50% of the pollution in london. but this 8% of the car drivers contribute and over overwhelmed amount of the particulates and pollution. so tackling the small number of drivers is a good idea and the idea a lot of the critics of ulez have talked about the impact on poorer people. well 95% of poor people in london don't have a car and people live in poorer parts of london. the more polluted parts are seven times more likely to die of pollution. so if we care about the poor, we should actually be supporting this. and as regards impact financial impacts on the

poon impact financial impacts on the poor, lawrence , i mean, i think poor, lawrence, i mean, i think it's really important that we're not talking the millions of londoners that the tory government is insisting that the of travel, tfl fares are going up and for the 1.5 million pension earners who being having the freedom to travel in the morning taken away from them by the tory cuts to the 7% of so many londoners pensioners that are being priced out of the capital city themselves have been are now being forced to pay a ulez charge and can no longer live it and all of greatest tragedies meted on mankind have been done in the name of altruism. and i think you don't occur. altruism. and i think you don't occur . mccarthy and richard occur. mccarthy and richard towns coming up, we'll be heanng towns coming up, we'll be hearing your thoughts . put me on hearing your thoughts. put me on the spot. you can tell i'm in a bit of a busy vein. i will answer any and all of your questions that send my way. see you after the . break all right .

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and hello again . now it's time for hello again. now it's time for fox on the spot my favourite part of the day where you quite literally put me on the spot and ihave literally put me on the spot and i have whatever you ask my team not told me in advance what your questions are. so here we go. zilli when is the world going to take back from china and resume making own stuff ? when we all making own stuff? when we all stop wanting to be socialists. i'm wanting the state to solve all of our problems first and take a bit of personal responsibility for our own lives and those of our children. because we don't want the state raising our. we seeing how raising our. do we seeing how well doing the well they're doing at the moment? terms of moment? certainly in terms of phc and rc schools teaching phc and rc in schools teaching children about and things . children about and things. right. jenny why aren't people threatening to withhold their

rates in for imposing 15 minute cities? jolly idea jenny. and also why aren't people refusing to the fines and? those lovely little flower box things that they have made of wood. they look very flammable, don't they? it would be a terrible shame if they were removed, knocked down or turned in or put in a wood burning stove , john says. do you burning stove, john says. do you think the relatives of the person murdered by the jamaican criminals should see the peace ? criminals should see the peace? i didn't from the plane. if i didn't move from the plane. if deporting should. deporting him, yes, they should. and also , not only should they and also, not only should they sue dampier's , they should sue dampier's, they should absolutely call out the bunch of virtue signalling showbiz people who will have nothing to do with that person's life . who called that person's life. who called on this as some sort of racist tragedy. it's appalling in north london, as in that lovely little houses telling , all of the poor houses telling, all of the poor people, how to live. it's got nothing to do with race . all of nothing to do with race. all of this woke modern, woke rubbish, trying to make everything about race. this man was a criminal he should be sent back and his and we should call out those that

moderate anyway. now some your responses to what we all started here which we should we have ever lockdown at all. one viewer on twitter said with hindsight no i did the one after no but i did the first one after that. disagreed with that. i disagreed with everything they subjected everything else they subjected everyone i think you speak everyone to. i think you speak for a vast majority of people in not that not one except those that accepted said i should accepted goodness said i should have the projects in should have protected the vulnerable and let the healthy get with their lives. no need for the nonsense that ensued. well, this is so true. goodness because the great barrington declaration say barrington declaration did say this. it said, let's shield the vulnerable. you've vulnerable. yet as you've seen, if you're watching the tonight we shielding vulnerable we were shielding vulnerable people that time as a family people at that time as a family and we stopped many, many metres away from them. you know, in towards the end of their lives and the rest of us should have passed a silly, stupid around and got on with our lives it's the biggest failed catastrophic health experiment history, in health experiment in history, in my . others will my view. others will say differently, i'm know whatever. patricia says. no, just no. i

couldn't agree with you more. phil says the first lockdown made total sense . really locking made total sense. really locking someone in a home can ever make total sense. how can locking someone in now make total sense? we've gone mad without hospitals overrun. really? hospitals overrun. really? hospitals overrun now completely overrun . overrun now completely overrun. unless tick tock videos. i've noficed unless tick tock videos. i've noticed the last year fewer admissions and more deaths rest admissions and more deaths rest a mistake. it might be. you're trying to be balanced. i respect you from that bit on twitter. definitely not from day one. the aftershock of lockdown would be catastrophic. it was entirely predictable. agree predictable. i couldn't agree more. is the lockdown in this more. it is the lockdown in this country we look at when we look back years to come on what did and what we allowed be done to us. we will we should look back in horror , especially those of in horror, especially those of us who have children to know how quickly the state can put its arm into your life in that way and stop you the most basic things in life moving around you should be absolutely terrified of them trying to do it again .

of them trying to do it again. well, coming up is this year out to where i went from in london ? to where i went from in london? we discussed everything from the british empire, genghis khan. beg me to stop it.

on mark dolan tonight in my big opinion, the lockdown prove what we always feared . the covid we always feared. the covid response was about politics, not science, and the powers that be were laughing at us throughout as top bureaucrats sue gray joins the labour party as their chief of staff. proof if you needed it . our civil service is needed it. our civil service is not impartial. my mop meets guest is the woman who is destined to become the boss of fashion levi's before she gave it all up to take on the woke mob. plus, my panel and tomorrow's papers where live from .

from. eight hello again . now, every week i hello again. now, every week i sit down and i try to discuss differences with someone and find some common ground. this week sat down with actor and writer femi orlando from orlando, activist, author and filmmaker . orlando, activist, author and filmmaker. charles wright. femi and i like to find something that we agree about touches. we got it. is there any crossover ? got it. is there any crossover? we'll probably agree on some things . i we'll probably agree on some things. i think largely going to disagree on on on on some elements and statues. i think i'll tell you what i think. then you show what you think. i think statues should be removed statues should not be removed from place of they from their place of where they are. i think there should be are. but i think there should be alongside of a plaque, you know, saying what this, you know, contextualise it so that kids and people can learn from it. i don't think they should be removed. be enough? removed. would that be enough? well, just go let well, let me just add we go let

me ask you some analogies. me just ask you some analogies. so you think statues should never be removed in any circumstance? i don't. without without unless there's a proper local referendum or something that people just the whole community just get what they want. so what about, for example, statues that came down in germany of hitler after the third reich? should they still have today? think as a have today? i think as a reminder to go, is the reminder to go, this is the disgusting man who did the most horrendous things. you can have a plaque to next it and turn it into an actual exhibition . it's into an actual exhibition. it's not glorifying him. you can't say. this is discussed. what is not glorifying him. you can't say. tlf s is discussed. what is not glorifying him. you can't say. tlf s sayiscussed. what is not glorifying him. you can't say. tlf s say i'mssed. what is not glorifying him. you can't say. tlf s say i'm puttinghat is this? if i say i'm putting someone on a pedestal, what does that an idea? as like that mean as an idea? as like a general? yeah. no, i don't know that mean as an idea? as like a gene|they'eah. no, i don't know that mean as an idea? as like a gene|they mean.o, i don't know that mean as an idea? as like a gene|they mean. that's1't know that mean as an idea? as like a gene|they mean. that's a know that mean as an idea? as like a gene|they mean. that's a lotow that mean as an idea? as like a gene|they mean. that's a lot of what they mean. that's a lot of the that's associated with the time that's associated with men, women pedestal. and it's men, women on pedestal. and it's not like go back to sort of not like it. go back to sort of greek been generally putting somebody pedestal somebody on a pedestal means putting where it putting it in a place where it could admired, adored, could be admired, adored, something pay for a lot something people pay for a lot of the time. a lot of these statues people actually or they give donations are give large donations which are correlated with fact a huge correlated with the fact a huge statue amazon erected all statue with amazon erected all

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someone if it's in a museum, it can be properly contextualised, but it's difficult to put a small kind of a full plaque next to something and say, go with contextualise that when it's in a public space. yeah. okay. so you're right. that's interesting. takes him. you think that just by the very existence of a statue that is automatically associated with the glorification of that individual , the glorification of that individual, if it's in a public space, if you have a statue in trafalgar square and you look at the statues in trust where the idea is that this is someone who is worthy of being . this is is worthy of being. this is someone who people should walk by public spaces on the every by in public spaces on the every day and be reminded of this person and see this person larger than life, bigger than they up literally look they are. look up literally look up towards this person because these statues are very rarely six tall. they 20 foot tall six foot tall. they 20 foot tall and that's that's what public statues always have been . you statues always have been. you rarely find anyone building a statue to someone that they find reprehensible. so once yeah. but maybe that would be a good development of statues because

as you say, you know, we don't want to live in a world where people pay for their own. you know, i don't want to go on. i want a massive statue of myself anywhere. never want but anywhere. never want one. but maybe it would be. it's a good idea to have an entire conversation but if conversation about, but if you're just to take it you're just going to take it away, seems like have we away, it seems like we have we are removing it from the opportunity people to it rather than if we're talking footfall and we want to we're trying to educate people about stuff like slave and, you know, parts of our history which we're not proud of in germany and hitler and stuff like that. want and stuff like that. you'd want as football as possible as much football as possible past that statue. you wouldn't hit this case. you would. you would. i mean, i think they should should have a statue to go. ever do what they dude go. don't ever do what they dude did. i don't even venerate so in this case, everyone knows who hitler is. everyone knows about the history of hitler. everyone in the uk and all that because they care. you know, in they don't care. you know, in america you have some holocaust and unrest, but and you have this unrest, but generally idea that the generally the idea that the holocaust terrible tragedy holocaust is a terrible tragedy is much more accepted than the

idea that the british empire, for example, did awful worldwide . there's something which is much better known and there aren't hitler's statues of hitler anywhere . right. so it's hitler anywhere. right. so it's this idea that having this this idea that having statues of something necessarily correlates with being educated about it is wrong. the about who rhodes was. i was in the rossoneri's fall movement when it first started out in 2016. and when it when the second kind of big protest happened in 2020, both times the first time the newspapers were referring to rhodes as a philanthropist, as a benefactor, as someone who basically richie was donating, which was . but the money from which was. but the money from that came from a certain place. if i steal money and then i give it to someone who is very dubious. the second time round they were talking a they were talking him as a colonialist, as an imperialist, etc. the thing which changed the way that people viewed and spoke about rhodes wasn't a statue of him being there for 200 years. it was the fact that we did

protests calling for the statue to be removed. it's still there. it hasn't been removed. but the very discussion about it has caused more debate over who this person was advanced the person was and advanced the conversation this person's conversation over this person's past having statue past more than having the statue that the same with that ever did the same with colston. didn't who colston. people didn't know who costume didn't from costume was people didn't from people didn't know people in bristol didn't know that there was this slave trader and exactly done until and exactly what done until people the statue, threw people took the statue, threw it in the and now people do in the river and now people do so idea having is so the idea that having is educative people are uneducated usually statues largely people past someone who did something . past someone who did something. either people walk past it, they are, i don't know, human or. they walk past and they go, oh, good , british history, well, good, british history, well, blah, blah, or they blah, blah, blah, blah. or they walk and go, that's someone who took my ancestors enslaved took my ancestors and enslaved them them in the sea them and threw them in the sea when they weren't going to be profitable him and murdered a lot them donated lot of them and then donated loads the money that made loads of the money that made from that to the city because he wanted huge picture of his wanted a huge picture of his face statue, marble face or huge statue, marble statue up there. and statue of himself up there. and i'd wasn't do you i'd rather wasn't there. do you think people are do you think

people are in denial of the colonial past and do you think there are things about there are any things about british colonialism british empire and colonialism that were positive? i think people are definitely in denial about. people are definitely in denial about . the colonial past in this about. the colonial past in this country, i think if you look at anything which spans the whole of the world or not the whole of the by half, basically half of the by half, basically half of the world a quarter half of the world for that period of time, you'll always some things which are positive , some things which are positive, some things which are positive, some things which are negative. but at the end of the it always depends on who the and it always depends on who is positive and who it's negative for at the of the negative for at the end of the day, net effects, in my day, the net effects, in my opinion, negative. even if you opinion, a negative. even if you look at one of the ideas look at one of the main ideas behind the that the british behind the idea that the british is positive, you look at the idea the industrial revolution and we're taught we're and in the uk we're taught we're taught industrial revolution taught the industrial revolution is happened in vacuum. we're is happened in a vacuum. we're taught the mills and taught about the mills and this, that rest. we're not that and the rest. we're not taught cotton came from taught whether cotton came from right the uk we're taught right in the uk we're taught this the industrial this idea about the industrial revolution taught revolution that i was taught whether cotton came from i remember very clearly because i

wasn't i was taught about the mills maybe i'm from mills in maybe because i'm from bolton and this is bolton in wigan and this is where actually where the mills actually took place. but i was taught lot place. but i was taught a lot about i wasn't taught about that. i wasn't taught about that. i wasn't taught about the history of where the cotton from, so we had cotton came from, so we had different on different experiences on that regard. even if you regard. but if you even if you look industrial revolution, look the industrial revolution, the is one the industrial revolution is one of drivers. when we of the major drivers. when we when talk about climate when we talk about climate change and the change and this, that and the rest today, the idea that we're burning so many fuels is something that. something that accompanied that. so negative. so that's one positive negative. and and then all the and then the and then all the technological that technological advancements that came positive. when came with it is a positive. when we at the net positives of we look at the net positives of basically a huge empire like the british empire and then the net negatives for swathes of the globe , i think the negatives globe, i think the negatives largely outweigh by a large the positives when we started. so that's that's that's an area that's that's that's an area that one can discuss. but i suppose all empires do this don't they. when they when create themselves and when they expand . so you've got the expand. so you've got the ottoman empire , you've got what ottoman empire, you've got what genghis khan did. i mean, i think they said that he killed i

can't remember what it is, but he actually affected the population of the in a significant way that basically the grand great granddad of like 1% of humanity or something. yeah, it's amazing . so why the yeah, it's amazing. so why the focus, do you think particularly , on the british empire and our heritage and also like in terms of responsibility for that like if, you know kamala harris did it in america, didn't she? she found out that, you know, she went on about slavery and then she found out that her ancestors were slave trade. and yet. so how should we all take a deep look , our own personal histories look, our own personal histories to find out if we have any connection slavery, then connection with slavery, then those people that have connections slavery pay connections with slavery pay reparations to people are reparations to people who are the ancestors slaves . okay, the ancestors of slaves. okay, so is in a roundabout way. so love is in a roundabout way. so the first the first point was the idea of different empires , the idea of different empires, the idea of different empires, the british empire was the biggest and no one is saying focussed just in the present. but we're saying we should focus

on the british empire because we are in britain and we're british people in mongolia still have people in in mongolia still have genghis khan on their money. and i'm sure a lot of people would say, oh, well, someone say, oh, well, having someone who huge swathes of who murdered huge swathes of people them people is not. let them talk about that in mongolia, where in britain, britain had the biggest about that in mongolia, where in britainhistory1 had the biggest about that in mongolia, where in britainhistory1 hhumanity|gest about that in mongolia, where in britainhistory1 hhumanity .iest about that in mongolia, where in britainhistory1 hhumanity. itt in the history of humanity. it only less than a century only ended less than a century and is something that we as a country need to deal with . country need to deal with. that's that's what wei said. when you say something, we as a country need to deal with what what do we need to deal with it? well, i mean, the first thing we do need to understand that do is we need to understand that it's part where we it's a large part of where we are as a country, is rooted in where what we did in the past, in what way? well, you've just mentioned idea of mentioned the idea of reparations the reparations look at the which are colonies the uk. look are ex colonies of the uk. look at kenya, look places at places kenya, look at places like ethiopia, look at places like ethiopia, look at places like iraq , which has had like iraq, which has had relations with the uk, which less than good in the very, very recent past. i on that march when i was well against that

exact thing but that's what i mean. colonialism is not something which is just ended. colonialism, something which carries through military interventions, coup interventions, through coup d'etat, through supporting of various over the various dictators all over the globe until but it's globe up until today. but it's something the actual that's called neo—colonialism new colonialism, kind of something which more which is a bit more hidden colonialism itself end that long ago in the scheme of ago in the grand scheme of history. in the grand scheme of history. in the grand scheme of history kind of 1950s and 1960s, this very these this isn't very ago when these countries were gaining their independence . and the reality is independence. and the reality is that the uk has not dealt with its history, has dealt with the fact that is the fifth fact that it is the fifth richest country in the world. so every of the six now because every one of the six now because of brexit, that and the every one of the six now because of brbut. that and the every one of the six now because of brbut everyonet and the every one of the six now because of brbut everyone in nd the every one of the six now because of brbut everyone in the he every one of the six now because of brbut everyone in the uk , rest, but everyone in the uk, everyone in the uk because of the standards of living we have in the uk, even if i'm a homeless person in the uk, i can go into a cafe and drink water. thatis go into a cafe and drink water. that is clean. everyone in the uk benefits in some way . by uk benefits in some way. by virtue of this history. that's part of the reason when we have

all of this talk about migrants coming, they're stealing our jobs. coming, they're stealing our jobs . part of the reason that so jobs. part of the reason that so many people, if you have to do this disparity between economic migrants and refugees, part of the reason so many people are not necessarily refugees but are economic because economic migrants is because they countries which are they are in countries which are very, very which used to be british colonies. and they're like, guys like, okay, well, these guys came said that they were came here said that they were our , basically lot our ruler, basically took a lot of natural from our of natural resources from our country, lot our country, killed a lot of our people many and now people for many years. and now i'm. they're rich. okay i'm. and they're rich. okay well, why shouldn't i be able to migrate want to migrate? wouldn't you want to make. can . i really can make. i can. i really can understand what you're argument is. wouldn't want is. but wouldn't you just want to country richer? the to make that country richer? the country of yours? the country of yours? that's the thing. if would let's thing. if i would be so let's say let's this is what say let's say i this is what i just about the neo—colonialism aspect. let's say i grab this knife stabbed someone with knife and stabbed someone with it then took it it right? and then i took it out. then i can start healing the wound if knife was still in the wound if knife was still in the back, then how can i start heaung the back, then how can i start healing any wound ? the reality healing any wound? the reality is, if you look at london stock exchange companies exchange listed companies in, africa a great africa today, there's a great report a company

report by a company about a tactical war on want which talks report by a company about a tacticehow r on want which talks report by a company about a tacticehow trillionst which talks report by a company about a tacticehow trillions ofrhich talks report by a company about a tacticehow trillions of dollars.ks about how trillions of dollars worth of african are still listed on the london exchange. and they're making huge amounts money for listed companies. and they're making huge amounts money for listed companies . you money for listed companies. you still have what were also huge amounts of capital outflows because because newsboy thing we're still exploiting here in terms of stuff like climate change we're still exploiting the people of congo horrendous way of so is can is there a balance between right absolutely you say i am i can take on board and i go, yeah, i think it's a fair point. and is there a balance to be found between what i'm saying, which is we can also do harm when we try and interfere these situations. say, for example, that climate cultists , in my a lot of cultists, in my view, a lot of them demand electric vehicles and those that require the cobalt from these mines in africa , in congo, some of them africa, in congo, some of them regulated , many of them a lot of regulated, many of them a lot of the climate change actually think electric are not the solution . many ways the solution

solution. many ways the solution the solution would be a push towards public transport because i came here on a train today. you have to speak to you and that train was said with hundreds of people and it probably made quite a lot more than a car. but if you actually look at dividing that by the amount of people that used it, it made a lot less. if a country like the uk was to move towards more public transport and, less of this idea that every single person vehicle person needs, a personal vehicle that lot more climate that would do a lot more climate change than just everyone into teslas well know, first of all, you you've, you've got to you got, you've, you've got to have conversation have the conversation about whether climate whether there's climate change because other things because one of the other things i remember as i do remember being told as a child was all going to run child was we all going to run out petrol in about ten years and going to and and we're all going to die and we will constantly told except we're run of we're not going to run out of petrol, we're not going to run up. there's plenty of petrol if we burn it all people in that countries are going be countries are going to be physical the climate physical anyway. i the climate change really change conversation is really hard, suppose most hard, but i suppose the most important you and important thing is that you and i agree but we're to i don't agree but we're able to have conversation where, you

have a conversation where, you know, we should try and be open each other. i would say each other. so i would say probably, know, lived probably, you know, my lived experience or my unconscious or whatever it that the british whatever it is that the british empire and its development, whatever it is that the british empire and its development , the empire and its development, the commonwealth and all this sort of stuff has been quite a progressive journey. and i think we're doing it by progressive. well, i think, you know, we're not walking around saying where your rulers anymore . ali yeah. i your rulers anymore. ali yeah. i mean , that's, that's is it is it mean, that's, that's is it is it is. i mean progressive progressive in the sense that it moves from here to here. so we've got to enter this table. this is ultra progressive this table is ultra progressive , what you'd probably call woke. this actual slavery. if this table is actual slavery. if you move over to this fork or you move over to this fork or you over to this, and you move over to this, and that's not that , you that that's not that, you know, that you're progressive about slavery. this there's more slaves on earth today than there ever were back in day. but ever were back in the day. but i think really good talking to you, i think is a giving me some more stuff think about you know where all is .

where is it all aid is. hello it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. much cold weather is on the way over the next few days, but for the next 24 hours it stays relatively so. lots of cloud in the sky, dry for most showers for some associated with this cold front coming into northern scotland on friday night. pep up the coming into northern scotland on friday night . pep up the showers friday night. pep up the showers across northern scotland . it'll across northern scotland. it'll bnng across northern scotland. it'll bring some showers by to saturday north sea coast as well. otherwise high pressure situated to the west scotland situated to the west of scotland and still bringing a lot of cloud from the north sea. and i think for much england, think for much of england, wales, cloudy night, but wales, it is a cloudy night, but north—west england for some of the midlands could see some cloud breaks the more lengthy cloud breaks the more lengthy cloud breaks the more lengthy cloud breaks are likely across central scotland, central and western scotland, where a frost. but where there will be a frost. but where there will be a frost. but where we keep the cloud three or four celsius and. then as we start off the weekend, further into north of scotland and into the north of scotland and then showers then during the morning showers drift into eastern parts of england, especially east anglia, parts lincolnshire and parts of lincolnshire and yorkshire, and those showers will and through the will come and go through the day. must be light well

day. that must be light and well scattered, but they'll be brought about by a wind off the nonh brought about by a wind off the north sea, which continue north sea, which will continue to feel cold even to make it feel cold even if temperatures the temperatures are similar to the last few days seven, eight, nine celsius, four degrees for lerwick , the first sign of lerwick, the first sign of a change on the way through the weekend. lerwick already has the northerly winds , an increase in northerly winds, an increase in showers for and some hills snow later saturday and those showers then increasing into effect. northern and western scotland drift into parts of northern ireland. england as well as wales and with a lots of cloud cover. sunday wales and with a lots of cloud cover . sunday starts off frost cover. sunday starts off frost free, although any kind of breaks overnight will lead to a touch of frost in places. so another cloudy start to sunday, some brighter skies around at times. but i think there'll be more showers around on sunday, particularly across central and western parts of the uk and increasingly through northern scotland. those showers will south and they'll bring some snow to the hills now monday, much colder air pushes the showers south, so some sleet

until snow tuesday, much colder

at eight. hi there tyron armstrong here in the newsroom. good evening to here from gb news. let's start with boris johnson . he has said with boris johnson. he has said that he believes he'll be vindicated by. an mp report despite and finding of coronavirus rules in downing street there would have been obvious to him at the time the commons privileges committee his conduct during partygate believes the former prime minister may have misled parliament at least four times. mr. johnson says it was his belief all had been followed and there's no evidence he knowingly or recklessly , mps the reason or recklessly, mps the reason those , no evidence to show that

those, no evidence to show that . i must have known why i'm to believe that illegal events were taking place is because i didn't . and i thought we were fighting covid to the best of . our covid to the best of. our ability in very difficult circles audiences in number 10, in cabinet office , night and day in cabinet office, night and day and believe that what we were doing was in conformity with the covid regulations . that is why i covid regulations. that is why i said what i in in parliament. well, boris johnson's also questioned whether who investigated the partygate scandal last year may have had a political axe to grind the senior civil servant who has been appointed sir keir starmer's new of staff found widespread breaking took place in government and mr. johnson was by police. he says he would have queried sue gray as independence before appointing her to partygate if he'd known she joined labour a huge shift in the government's position . in the government's position. overpay has evaporated. major ambulance strikes due to take

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