what about that whole mantra about being free for all of the points of use.7 i about being free for all of the points of use? i want your thoughts on that tonight. and get this , £17 million all that get this, £17 million all that way over, actually. that is the amount of money that employees of air and outside of parliament says 2019. goodness gracious me . i got it. i didn't get elected . now, when i know that they are the kind of sums that are on offer, and, by the way, is the tories the highest? and as but of course it would be , wouldn't of course it would be, wouldn't it? because they are the ones in power. and ukraine, the former head of the british army, basically says that we are lagging behind when it comes to

support . are we? and a lot of support. are we? and a lot of devolution dilemma . i want your devolution dilemma. i want your thoughts on this tonight. it's about the gender law that's being passed in scotland, but it's not really about law necessarily . it's about whether necessarily. it's about whether or not the uk parliament has a right to basically to potentially try and overturn it. some people are saying, look , some people are saying, look, this is exactly why we need to be more independent of england , be more independent of england, westminster. other people are saying, well, the law is the law. where do you stand on that? well i have all of that coming up in just a few moments. but first up, let's get ourselves up to speed for tonight's latest headunes. to speed for tonight's latest headlines . michelle, thank you. headlines. michelle, thank you. well, the latest news headlines on gp news we've just been heanng on gp news we've just been hearing from, in fact, the chancellor in the last few minutes. and here's a clip from him . i'm minutes. and here's a clip from him. i'm sorry, we minutes. and here's a clip from him . i'm sorry, we don't have him. i'm sorry, we don't have that clip for you. let's get on with the rest of the news and

we'll hope to bring that to you later on. all right. the health secretary has also been speaking in the house of commons today and the and he's announced the government book beds government will block book beds in homes so that around two in care homes so that around two and thousand people can and a half thousand people can be released from hospital when they're fit. it's one they're medically fit. it's one of a number of measures included in the government's emergency response to discharge delays rising flu cases and cases of strep a. well, speaking in the house of commons this afternoon, steve barclay admitted the experience of staff and patients over the last few weeks within the nhs had not been acceptable and that ministers must do more. earlier, the government announced earlier, the government announce d £200 million of extra announced £200 million of extra funding. over the next three months to help ease the pressure on the nhs . meanwhile, strike on the nhs. meanwhile, strike action within the nhs is set to go ahead next week after union bosses said talks with the government had gone backwards. the rcn called the meeting with the health secretary bitterly disappointing . ambulance staff disappointing. ambulance staff are also due to strike this

month on the 11th and 23rd of january. the unite union boss, owen kasab claimed the government is only offering to talk about pay if staff are more productive . all i talked about productive. all i talked about today was if we're going to open discussion about a payment , then discussion about a payment, then there need to be discussion about productivity. we have members working 18 hour shifts . members working 18 hour shifts. we have members working well . we we have members working well. we are in contractual hours because they care about patients and how to be talking about productivity is outrageous . well, thousands is outrageous. well, thousands of junior doctors in england will start voting today on whether or not they want to strike over pay . around 45,000 strike over pay. around 45,000 members of the british medical association are being balloted with the result due at the end of next month . and scotland's of next month. and scotland's first minister says the country's hospitals there are almost complete be full. that's due to extraordinary levels of winter flu , rising strep a cases

winter flu, rising strep a cases and delayed discharges. nicholas sturgeon saying it had been without doubt the most difficult winter ever for hospitals bed occupancy in scotland's hospitals surpassed 95% last week. that's higher than average pre—pandemic levels of around 87. well, as you've been hearing throughout the day here on gb news prince harry has made further claims against the royal family in a series of interviews to promote his new book, spare, which will be out on bookshelves tomorrow. he's told itv's tom bradby his family was complicit in the pain and suffering he's experienced and his wife as well. but he says he's still open to reconciliation with his father. the king and his brother, prince william . the brother, prince william. the level of planting and leaking from other members of the family means that, in my mind they have written countless books . written countless books. certainly millions of words have been dedicated to trying to

trash my wife and myself to the point where i had to leave my country . but the distorted country. but the distorted narrative is that we wanted to leave, to go. and you know, make . mo leave, to go. and you know, make. mo today, tenants face the biggest rise in rent last year since records began. the office for national statistics says private rental prices in the uk rose by 4% in the year to november. around a quarter of people surveyed in december reported their rent had gone up in the last six months. meanwhile, more than one and a half million households are facing rising interest rates when their fixed rate mortgage is. and in the spring. the office for national statistics saying 57% of those are currently on mortgage rates are currently on mortgage rates are below 2. and so breaking news we've been updating you on in the last few minutes , the in the last few minutes, the foreign office saying it has received news that the families of two british men who have gone

missing in eastern ukraine are being supported. ukrainian police have named the two voluntary workers in the country as andrew bagshaw and christopher parry. more details on that as we get them . on that as we get them. international news and brazilian police have regained control in the capital after it was stormed by far right protesters yesterday. thousands of supporters of the former president bolsonaro raided the country's congress. the supreme court and the presidential palace, demanding he be restored to power . palace, demanding he be restored to power. bolsonaro refused to accept his election defeat last year with his supporters, claiming it was stolen from him. president lula labelled the protesters fascist and vowed to punish them . and here the prime punish them. and here the prime minister, rishi sunak , has minister, rishi sunak, has offered president lula britain's full support . wales captain full support. wales captain gareth bale has announced his retirement from the club and from international football . from international football. bale is the club's most capped

player with 111 appearances over 17 seasons. he wrote on instagram today that he feels in credit . alli fortunate to have credit. alli fortunate to have realised his dream of playing the sport he loves, and he added , it would be impossible to replicate what he has described as the highest of highs during his career . you are up to date his career. you are up to date on tv, online and dab+ radio with gb news. back now to dips and co . and co. thanks for that polly. while i'm with you right through until 7:00 this evening and alongside me, the political commentator, dominique samuels and the writer and broadcast star matthew stall. and good evening to both of you. and, you know the drill. don't want dewbs& co. it's not just us here the just about us here in the studio. about you at home studio. it's about you at home as what's on your mind as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch

with the usual ways. gb with me. all the usual ways. gb views gbnews.uk is the email address you can tweet me at address or you can tweet me at gb and lots of you gb news. lots and lots of you have been getting in touch already. one of the big ones that you to to talk that you seem to want to talk about tonight is the bill about tonight is the gender bill in scotland . the uk have got uk in scotland. the uk have got uk government , it's got until late government, it's got until late 19th of january to decide whether or not they're going to intervene and try and thwart the passing bill. i'm passing of that bill. i'm interested your thoughts interested in your thoughts tonight. do there tonight. do you think there should. does make a mockery should. does that make a mockery of in your mind, or of devolution in your mind, or is just basic common is it all just basic common sense? what thoughts on sense? what your thoughts on that i'm asking that tonight? and i'm asking about as well, richard about the nhs as well, richard sunak does it even matter if he uses private health care or not also as well? what do you think ? second jobs. do you? do you care , quite frankly, if care, quite frankly, if employees are earning a small fortune, about 17 million quid is the sum apparently mp subpoenaing since 2019. i can tell you it makes me absolutely gutted that i wasn't elected. if that's the kind of dosh you can be earning alongside your job,

along your right to your get a salary as well. what about it that we can get it? and as always, you know, you guys make me laugh at you. you comment on my outfit. apparently, according to i remind of to phil. i remind him of a beautiful full of lovely, beautiful field full of lovely, wild flowers at night . to be wild flowers at night. to be precise, i like your detail . precise, i like your detail. phil i do like it. patricia says, michelle, please . can you says, michelle, please. can you stop saying , hey, it's age ? stop saying, hey, it's age? didn't you learn that at primary school ? well, i got sacked, school? well, i got sacked, actually. remember what i did learn in primary school. now i've gone a bit since then, but the whole accent you see, we never really pronounce our heritage is ages. so for heritage is our ages. so for example, would say a firm, example, i would say i'm a firm, i'm all, but because i'm off to all, but because i work on telly, i'm using my tv, my telephone voice. so i do try and over pronounce my head. she's my arches or whatever is, i anyway, let's talk i don't know. anyway, let's talk nhs, d0 i don't know. anyway, let's talk nhs, do care nhs, shall we? do you care whether or not british sunak uses private health care? he was being questioned at the weekend. he that direct he was asked that direct question. you have private question. do you have a private gp answer? said it was gp refuse to answer? said it was all a distraction. has

all a distraction. this has divided people , matthew, because divided people, matthew, because some are saying you can't some people are saying you can't possibly be the prime minister presiding over the national health service if you're not experiencing firsthand the problems within it. where do you stand on that ? so i think maybe stand on that? so i think maybe it's helpful just to set out very briefly, first, my own experience of health care. so this will transpire . i think this will transpire. i think that's one of the things i may be calling for. i do not have health insurance. i have never had insurance. have had health insurance. i have gone twice. i think in gone private twice. i think in my once check out my my life once to check out my nether regions . blimey, my life once to check out my nether regions. blimey, i was excited . a minor. i mean, all excited. a minor. i mean, all cancen excited. a minor. i mean, all cancer. serious, but a minor skin cancer on my cheek and i wouldn't i can't remember. the nhs wasn't being quick enough, but i wanted to get in there as quickly as i could. so i did that and it was quite it was expensive, but i thought it was worth it. so that's me, right? do i have anything against private care private health care in principle? possibly not. do i think that the prime minister has responsibility the has a responsibility to use the health service , which i thought

health service, which i thought quite about this, and quite hard about this, and initially thought maybe he initially i thought maybe he doesn't, i thought, doesn't, but then i thought, well, actually for the well, actually at least for the penod well, actually at least for the period when is the man in period when he is the man in charge of ultimate in charge, he is not the health secretary, but is not the health secretary, but is the pm in charge of one of our major public services? i think that's quite a strong argument he should argument to say that he should be it. it would certainly be using it. it would certainly sharpen to the sharpen his mind as to the crisis because god forbid he ever to accident and ever had to go to accident and emergency. at the moment he emergency. see, at the moment he would chaos would very possibly see chaos and the consequence , in my view and the consequence, in my view of underinvestment, you will say partly the result of what happenedin partly the result of what happened in the pandemic and policies there in. but i certainly think he should feel a responsibility to at least to level with us , because if he level with us, because if he doesn't depart from anything else, it's tempting to say, well, he obviously thinks it does matter . otherwise he would does matter. otherwise he would have a straightforward have given a straightforward answer straightforward answer to a straightforward question. caveat to question. the final caveat to this i do not think i do not this is i do not think i do not think on balance that it is our business. whether his family have private health insurance or use a private doctor of any

sort, because i think that's that private. but whether he that is private. but whether he does or doesn't, i probably think should be in the public domain. draw domain. and where do you draw the line so you think he the line that so you think he should experience order should experience nhs in order to to preside ultimately to be able to preside ultimately over do think he should over it? do you think he should have use a food bank to be have to use a food bank to be able to? you comment on that? does he have use a knight box does he have to use a knight box to able talk about bus to be able to talk about bus routes? like where do draw routes? like where do you draw the line? certainly think he the line? i certainly think he should banks. should visit food banks. i certainly it would it certainly think it would it would be helpful. security concern be concern is aside, let's be realistic this. if you did realistic about this. if you did use buses from time to time, i think it's a sliding scale, isn't i'm not saying isn't it? and i'm not saying that intellectually he cannot grasp problem grasp the size of this problem he be pretty stupid not he have to be pretty stupid not to understand that is in to understand that the nhs is in crisis. just think it's partly crisis. i just think it's partly about and i and about optics. you and i and everyone else in the studio and behind the scenes . dominique, we behind the scenes. dominique, we all presumably, most of us at least on our incomes, use the nhs , nhs. so if the man in nhs, nhs. so if the man in charge of sorting a crisis

affects 9590 9% of the country doesn't use it. there's a sense in which he's not in the same boat, that we're not all in this together. i think it's very ill advised, dominic, because he probably didn't want to admit it because, know, a because, you know, as a journalist, would a field journalist, would i have a field day? but actually, if truth be told, even if you've got the best health care in the best private health care in the land, still component land, there's still a component of that you have to use of the nhs that you have to use because things like a&e is they're not equivalent in the private sector. so have to private sector. so you'd have to end there anywhere, end up there anywhere, heaven forbid, of forbid, if you had that kind of urgent i think it's urgent need. yeah, i think it's bizarre, but he's actually just not coming out and saying that. yeah, private gp. yeah, i use a private gp. i mean, exactly do people mean, what exactly do people expect? a billionaire. he's expect? he's a billionaire. he's ficher expect? he's a billionaire. he's richer than a king. do you really think prime minister, really think the prime minister, rishi is going to rishi sunak's, is going to slowly the when he slowly out the nhs when he doesn't have to and really you could a moral argument. doesn't have to and really you could a moral argument . you could make a moral argument. you could make a moral argument. you could say as someone who is could say that as someone who is extremely , why should extremely wealthy, why should i be clogging up space in a public health service that is currently in crisis ? so the fact that he in crisis? so the fact that he is owning a ring about it, i just find it extremely bizarre.

and secondly , i don't understand and secondly, i don't understand why, you know , people like why, you know, people like matthew, i don't mean this personally, but why do you want crumbs from people like rishi sunak on one of you? he's not a man of the people. if he wants to use the nhs because he's the prime minister of the united kingdom , he'd likely get kingdom, he'd likely get preferential treatment anyway. why do people want to feel and beyond the illusion that he's one of us? well, he's not. look, i remember when boris johnson was this guy. i was not known for being a boris johnson fan, but like the vast majority of people in this country, right minded people in this country, it was a very alarming moment when admitted to hospital when he was admitted to hospital with covid with very serious covid complication . and i think the complication. and i think the fact that the most powerful person in the country used the same service, that the vast majority of rest of us would majority of the rest of us would have used in those circumstances . and if you are . and actually, if you are privately and showed, you probably accidents, probably go to accidents, emergency but emergency anyway, i imagine. but the he was using the the fact that he was using the nhs showed us at least to nhs just showed us at least to some extent, we were all this in

together. i think that it's a powerful message after powerful message and then after that out that he broke that we found out that he broke the rules that he set. so the very rules that he set. so again, it's all about crumbs, it's all about the illusion that we're this together. when we're all in this together. when bofis we're all in this together. when boris was in hospital, boris johnson was in hospital, it's he got the best care it's likely he got the best care ever because that is the prime minister of this country. whether he's using the nhs or not. the problem in this not. i think the problem in this country is that we're getting extremely comfortable with being under a spell of delusion that our politicians , most of them our politicians, most of them actually aren't one of us. they can't really relate. they're making millions , hundreds of making millions, hundreds of thousands of pounds in second. i think we need to wake up just to just quickly tackle you on that one point. i know we'll come to it later. but if you look at labour mps and yeah, i'm broadly speaking on the left again can put my on the table. there put my cards on the table. there are labour employees the are 195 labour employees at the moment i think, and they took home something like a million. but job. i'm going but it's a second job. i'm going to and i was just to come to that and i was just going to say on average labour

mp just to cut to chase. mp just to cut to the chase. i think addition to what they think in addition to what they get paid as meps, they take home £6,000, which a for some £6,000, which is a lot for some people. a huge amount. people. it's a huge amount. you're if you're you're a bit daft if you're hiring the that are not hiring the people that are not in you're hiring the in power. you're hiring the second squad, the squad. second squad, the brit squad. i think that well, they're going to they're going to be in to be they're going to be in power in a couple of years. i think in general, in response to the anyway, would the question anyway, i would just the fact that just say that the fact that journalists keep having going home , think an home with this, i think it's an inqu home with this, i think it's an insult to people's intelligence and that rishi and the fact that rishi rishi sunak won't and sunak just won't come out and say, billionaire, i have a say, i'm a billionaire, i have a private page. why? i do, i'd private page. why? if i do, i'd be i'd be wasting public service time. anyway using it. don't use it. it's a really good question. i've been trying to find the answer to that this afternoon and have failed to do so. but i wonder whether is it always the case that when people go private they taking strain off the they are taking strain off the nhs ? or is it also possible or nhs? or is it also possible or partly possible that when people go private they are dragging doctors away from the nhs who would otherwise be treating nhs patients? know the

patients? i don't know the answer. i think it's an important question. it'll probably be a mixture of the both, think what goes both, but i think what goes on here, it's politics envy. here, it's politics of envy. rishi sunak was not between a rock and hard place. if he did rock and a hard place. if he did turn round and answered honestly, only honestly, because i can only assume he's private health assume he's got private health care, frankly, if care, because quite frankly, if you have the best you can afford to have the best care either, i care possible, either, i wouldn't someone that wouldn't believe someone that wouldn't believe someone that would in the eye and would look me in the eye and say, i can definitely afford private health care, but i'm not going it. why would you going to use it. why would you not? i know doctors who not? well, i know doctors who could made hundreds could easily have made hundreds of maybe millions of of thousands, maybe millions of pounds being part leigh pounds more by being part leigh or even maybe exclusively private doctors who have decided on principle that they will remain the nhs. not sure remain in the nhs. i'm not sure l, remain in the nhs. i'm not sure i, i totally agree with you on that. and what we think about that. and what do we think about this kind of ken clarke this whole kind of ken clarke suggestion, what he suggesting earlier on today is that if you're a wealthy person, you could perhaps give i quote a modest you could pay a modest fee to access the nhs . what do fee to access the nhs. what do you think of that? i think it's common sense, to be honest. i mean, common sense that wealthy people to the

people should pay to access the nhs. yeah i mean i personally don't worship the nhs as this like beacon of socialist utopia . i think the other european countries that offer a more of sort of a hybrid system of state subsidised but you do have to pay a subsidised but you do have to pay a fee. i think looking at the evidence that does work better and i think common sense wise , if you can afford to pay wise, if you can afford to pay for your own health care , you for your own health care, you should. that being said , middle should. that being said, middle class families who when you are looking in from the outside , looking in from the outside, they appear to be very well—off . they will struggle with that . . they will struggle with that. so i think it should be a half and half system. and i don't decide . but it's not a so—called decide. but it's not a so—called wealthy person. everyone makes me laugh because what they basically mean when they say wealthy people, the can wealthy people, the best can mean anyone. me . so mean anyone. that's not me. so anyone's more than anyone's got more money than me should pay. if you're a wealthy person, whatever we person, like whatever we can dispute later dispute without even means later on. a wealthy on. but if you're a wealthy person definition, i would on. but if you're a wealthy person that finition, i would on. but if you're a wealthy person that youion, i would on. but if you're a wealthy person that you are i would on. but if you're a wealthy person that you are making a suspect that you are making a much greater taxation

contribution than a less wealthy person . i don't know. the top 1% person. i don't know. the top 1% of earners in this country pay something like 28% of all income tax. so by definition they are already paying much more than a lower earning person to access the nhs. i think it's ludicrous and quite insulting actually that you're discriminate based on someone's income. so the access they get to the nhs, the highest rates of tax kicks in at points a and it remains the same percentage all the way up to billions of pounds. we have 170 billionaires in this country collecting every additional red collecting every additional red collect collectively they are. they have 100, they have £650 billion. i mean, it's unthinkable, untaxed wealth that goes on in this country. some tax we're talking about, relatively untaxed . so if you relatively untaxed. so if you are if you are if you are 100, if you if you earn are if you are if you are 100, if you if you ear n £150,000 a if you if you earn £150,000 a yean if you if you earn £150,000 a year, which i would love to do . year, which i would love to do. and if you on £6 billion a year,

you're paying the same top rate of tax that is. well, you say make sense though it doesn't make sense though it doesn't make sense, does it? i think it makes sense for other people , makes sense for other people, michel. for other people pay a higher rate of tax when this when they're earning millions and billions, then then we watered down the principle of the nhs, which is one, as you said, in your introduction. it's a principle of free at the point of delivery and if if we, if of delivery and if we if we, if we change that now so that wealthier people start paying upfront, i can assure you that will become a sliding scale. and as you said, people who as you then said, people who aren't that much money will aren't on that much money will start paying when they turn up the intern or intern . if the gp or intern or intern. if we actually made the tax system, make a bit more sense. i agree with lottie's point actually that if you're earning 150 k up upwards to billions of pounds used a person earning 150 k should not be paying the same amount of tax. a somewhat same rate is saying rate of tax earns

like three times. that is up to the pair of you. why you're sticking to your model. you're sticking to your model. you're sticking up for these billionaires. does that makes people . no, this is supposed to people. no, this is supposed to be people not the be the people, not the billionaires. let me ask you a very straightforward question . very straightforward question. so earn, let's just say so if you earn, let's just say let's just out it and 300 grand a year, whatever, let's just out it and 300 grand a year, whatever , £1,000,000 a a year, whatever, £1,000,000 a yean a year, whatever, £1,000,000 a year, portion year, whatever. so the portion above you're already above 150 a, you're already going to lose $0.45 out of every single pound that you make. what do you think you should be losing out of your pound? it should be progressive. it's what level should be progressive . level should be progressive. that level. yeah. what you say that something that needs to be thought through seriously so that the effects are commensurate with with the payment you're forcing people by taxing must thought. taxing. you must have thought. would happy to take 99.0? would you be happy to take 99.0? i no. i think that would i think no. i think that would be extreme. but i'd i'd be perfectly happy for someone who's earnin g £1,000,000,000 a who's earning £1,000,000,000 a year to paying more than 45. year to be paying more than 45. so what , 45 point then? so what so what, 45 point then? so what point that say seven, 77. so you

want unspecified risk. why are you defending billionaires for people foodbanks? i think this is a politics of envy. someone is a politics of envy. someone is a politics of envy. someone is a fairly it's someone trying to redistribute money so that we have we have social we have pubuc have we have social we have public services that function so that people who aren't earning that people who aren't earning that sort of money get to be seen by people who should be taxed. this is politics of yesterday. lucky them if they want the money. if you think with a straight face that someone is going to go to work to earn a pound , only to give to earn a pound, only to give $0.70 of that pound over to rishi sunak. so i think the sense rishi sunak. so i think the sens e £4 billion is £300 sense £4 billion is £300 million, is that not enough ? is million, is that not enough? is the point when, when, when, when is it enough? why, when, when? if you've got enough money, why should you go to work in order to have $0.07 of your. because we live in a society with it. because we live in a society where there are 7 million people waiting to be seen by the middle class. i'm just going to class. i'm not just going to work. like that. work. it's not like that. they're the office, like they're in the office, like earning billions. a of that

earning billions. a lot of that would other investments that would be other investments that they from, they earn passive income from, which allowed them to which is what's allowed them to be i'm only interested be so rich. i'm only interested i the food banks personally. for me, i'm i'm also interested me, i'm i'm also more interested in earning lower in those who are earning lower income say grand a year, not income say 30 grand a year, not really having to pay any any tax at all boss say what national insurance i person just think our system doesn't make our tax system doesn't make sense. fact granted sense. someone in fact granted it anyway. it doesn't pay much tax anyway. you your first 12 you already get your first 12 and half whatever for free and a half whatever is for free and a half whatever is for free and say but in this current and you say but in this current situation, that money off would go long way. go a very, very long way. especially, for example, if you're someone that's living in london. have friends london. i mean, i have friends earning amount. and for earning that amount. and for them feels the them it just feels like the palace taking of the palace taking home any of the money. doesn't feel fair. money. it doesn't feel fair. well, to you tell well, i've got to say, you tell me what you think. i think the pair of you a ludicrous. i wonder what your what have you been doing before you on? been doing before you came on? are listening to i think are you listening to me? i think what you're witnessing here is politics envy. matthew keeps politics of envy. matthew keeps linking a food linking someone using a food bank to some wealthy individual earning bank to some wealthy individual earnin g £1,000,000 year. earning £1,000,000 plus a year. i don't see the link to me, i just get that is politics of

envy. someone is very envy. if someone is very unfortunately a food unfortunately lose using a food bank, what is that got to do with somebody else who's made different career choices? perhaps and is in a different financial situation ? and i don't financial situation? and i don't know. you tell that they are know. you tell me that they are given loopholes , which is given more loopholes, which is fine. i think that you should be able to exploit that. but those earning don't really have earning less don't really have any loopholes. and i don't think that's fair. well, you tell me, what do you think of that whole taxation matthew says , taxation thing? matthew says, you know, you should be taxing these i not these people more. i am not a billionaire, by the way, but if i want know , if i was i want you show know, if i was by the way, i can tell you now, if you lot started coming after me to take 70 off my me trying to take 70 pay off my pound, would. well actually i pound, i would. well actually i would be about say i'll would be i always about say i'll get on the train out of get on the first train out of here, the trains barely run here, but the trains barely run so i wouldn't get very far. why do run? we do they barely run? because we don't have a taxes item which which yields enough tax. the which yields enough tax. so the trains so that the nhs trains do run so that the nhs works properly. why is that? partly we've got partly because we've got billionaires who between them hav billion, a of have £650 billion, a lot of it not sufficiently taxed . yeah, i

not sufficiently taxed. yeah, i can tell you what. right. i think it's fascinating. everyone thinks everyone else should pay more. into more. the second you get into one those brackets, i bet you one of those brackets, i bet you won't unhappy to pay more. won't be unhappy to pay more. i'm pay. i'm not having i'm happy to pay. i'm not having to because you are to pay more than because you are able in this country to voluntarily mortage. well, voluntarily pay mortage. well, how do you know how much money i give charity? believe give to charity? i believe sallie said to me, sallie mae. you just said to me, you are voluntarily pay more you are you voluntarily pay more tax can do, all you can tax all you can do, all you can all you can. realistically do is give more to charity. so for a fairer society, mystically, oh yes, you just tell yes, you can. you can just tell me to do. send you the me how to do. i'll send you the link. can volunteer and if link. you can volunteer and if anyone's thinking, oh, anyone's at home thinking, oh, i wish could pay more tax, yes, wish i could pay more tax, yes, you can go, go. no overpay tax. how do voluntary whatever how do i pay voluntary whatever is the word for it on hmrc it will pop up. you can also we need a system that works. michelle want michelle we, we don't want individuals voluntarily individuals to voluntarily paying individuals to voluntarily paying we want all of us paying more. we want all of us to that functions to in a society that functions hypocrisy . he says he'll hypocrisy. he says he'll voluntarily pay them. i saw him go because you and go on then because you can and it was what you were it was anyway what you were telling me. think can telling me. i think you can bonkers is and pay any more

bonkers is try and pay any more tax and quite frankly you are to my brain harsh. i'm going to my brain harsh. i'm not going to take quick break. when we come take a quick break. when we come back, have some of your back, i'll have some of your response to that. i see my response to that. i can see my inbox up. i want inbox lighting up. i want to talk to about that. and talk to you about that. and i want to talk about jobs want to talk about second jobs as should mps be able as well. should mps be able to end millions of their end millions outside of their jobs? i'll see you into .

punished. welcome back to dewbs & co with me michelle dewberry. keep me company till 7:00 tonight alongside with political commentator dominique samuels and the writer and broadcaster matthew stadlen, two people, by the way, who i think have lost their mind at tonight's actually that if you earn more money, the $0.45 tax work is not enough. i think they're crackers. what do you reckon they're lots of people saying . well, actually, i people saying. well, actually, i would say you're dividing it.

actually some people are saying, how, michel, can you ask matthew how, michel, can you ask matthew how him donate money to charity helps pay for the railways? i don't think it does. and i don't think that was the point that you was making, was it? no all of this kind of i don't know what you call it, the wealthy happened to be directly responsible paying for the responsible for paying for the least wealthy in society . some least wealthy in society. some people are saying that's communism just to just to carry on in this, because i think it's really interesting and it's obviously got people talking. so you that you shouldn't you think that you shouldn't grade progressively after grade tax progressively after £150,000. why do you believe in any sort of tax? you asked me where i draw line. i gave where i draw the line. i gave you a i gave a relatively you a i gave you a relatively random of 70. do you random figure of 70. do you think shouldn't any tax? think we shouldn't pay any tax? do think people aren't do you think people aren't entitled care? you entitled to health care? do you think people aren't entitled to a railway system works? a railway system that works? do you entitled you think people aren't entitled to schools? do you think people aren't to saved by aren't entitled to be saved by the or by the fire the police or by the fire bngade? the police or by the fire brigade? if something happens? i mean, believe in mean, presumably you believe in some so where some level of tax. so where should start, think? should it start, do you think?

45,000,150 k too much? yeah 45,000,150 k is too much? yeah well, low would you go to? well, how low would you go to? i would i would actually i supported with her supported liz truss with her lowering to 40 grant i lowering to 40 grant you. i think it was think the timing of it was a little one or 20 p one, not 20 p no. i think 20 is too low. i think $0.40 is probably judgement isn't it. is funny judgement isn't it. is a funny judgement. i you should judgement. i think you should always as have majority always as have the majority of your home pay. i your income as take home pay. i think once you tip balance think once you tip that balance that the majority see if your take whatever amount take home pay, whatever amount is state, that's is going to the state, that's where i think it's wrong. why should someone go work in should someone go to work in order the majority of their order for the majority of their income to? i agree. i income to go to? i agree. i think may wrong. yet crossing think may be wrong. yet crossing a that my so that a line that my friend so that people that that dominates people say that that dominates friends here on 30 k yeah could pay a friends here on 30 k yeah could pay a bit less tax and pay a little bit less tax and feel that they are they are actually working in a way that can their lives. friends can sustain their lives. friends on 30 k already get their first 12 and half k free. they'll 12 and a half k free. they'll get a huge amount without things. we're just h on the side so her by friends i'm telling it to her friends of your friends about busy love well. the about busy love as well. but the point is dominic says that they're struggling. well, i

could here and talk about could sit here and talk about taxation all day long. what do you make to it all, everybody? i just think i passionately believe that you've got to encourage people . you've got to encourage people. you've got to celebrate aspiration and achieve it and all the rest of it. the second you start getting into territory 70 pe in the pound he was on about taking off. yeah. i mean people are just going to pack up and go elsewhere. why wouldn't you me your salary wouldn't you tell me your salary that you asked? would you be happy more the happy paying more to the government than receive in government than you receive in your pocket ? so is such your own pocket? so that is such a arguing that it's always a try. arguing that it's always been the tory argument. if you tax a little higher, tax people a little higher, they'll and live in another they'll go and live in another country can you if i was country. i can tell you if i was a billionaire, i would not leave this country. i'd stay in this country as i love this country as supposedly the people as supposedly all the people on the right of britain who are the right of in britain who are patriots. am patriot. i love patriots. i am a patriot. i love my if i was lucky my country. and if i was lucky enough hardworking enough enough or hardworking enough or talented whatever talented enough or whatever else, whatever combination of else, whatever combinati

would stay here and enjoy myself. well, i'd be off quicker than from quick than a quick thing from quick bang. me what you bang. anyway, tell me what you think. talk shop with i think. let's talk shop with i keep the whole money, money money because money thing going on because mp get they end money thing going on because mp get this they end £17 million outside salaries and outside of their salaries and second jobs and things like that . is since 2019. does that . this is since 2019. does that matter? dominic i think it does matter. i think it demonstrates the decisions and the things the mp is lobby for are influenced by outside financial interests . by outside financial interests. i don't think there's any reason why employees should be scrounging for lucrative second jobs when their principal focus should be representing their constituents . as i was going constituents. as i was going through twitter, i came across a report today by sky news, which was really interesting because at the top of every news bulletin, it's the tory mps that earnings of the wall f the amount the labour mp have earned . interestingly here this this

really weird company with no staff or website called mp to connect out . and it's the third connect out. and it's the third biggest donor to mp. so you've got labour mp such as dan jarvis , it's got a hundred k wes streeting 60,000. yvette cooper . , it's got a hundred k wes streeting 60,000. yvette cooper . £18 streeting 60,000. yvette cooper. £18 that to me feels gross. it fills inappropriate, and i think people should be focusing on their constituents and not schmoozing with random people that we don't see. although for i don't know, it makes me feel uncomfortable. i did i did a bit of maths. this in your luxurious green room. oh yeah. so and i worked out, i think and you will say this is just because the tories are in power, may be or maybe there's a different culture within the, the two main parties. but think parties. but i think tory overpays people can check overpays and people can check this for themselves because of this investigate by sky and tortoise is condensed tortoise which is condensed stuff into one website basically so who is paying so that we can see who is paying our politicians. think our politicians. so i think that's important, will that's really important, will make for us to

make it easier, easier for us to see it . tory make it easier, easier for us to see it. tory think in see it. tory mps i think in addition to their salaries from second jobs, or maybe third jobs as well and so forth, get 40, 43, k, maybe something around the 43,000 on average, whereas labour and peace, as i said earlier in the show, get on average abou t £6,000 in earlier in the show, get on average about £6,000 in addition to their salary. so it's a bigger problem for tories more generally and i think this has to not non button, you know, to be not non button, you know, bipartisan or nonpartisan. i basically feel uncomfortable with the idea of mp is that politicians having second jobs. i do agree to an extent with what keir starmer was saying yesterday. i do think that there is between being is a difference between being paid, by a bank being paid, say, by a bank and being paid, say, by a bank and being paid by, i don't know. gb news if you gave a job to one of the politicians like lbc does with david lammy, i do think that's different they're different because they're just going to be expressing themselves if themselves politically. but if you're money from bank you're taking money from a bank or a consultancy or whatever, even though it's transparent, even though it's transparent, even though it's transparent, even though you register it, that me feel slightly that makes me feel slightly uncomfortable almost inevitably uncomfortable. almost inevitably it will have some influence on the you do your business for

the way you do your business for your constituents or your your constituents or for your country. think things country. so i think things should change. should be should change. we should be clear majority of money clear the vast majority of money that get paid towards their that meps get paid towards their offices is paid for. as i understand it, offices is paid for. as i understand it , from the public understand it, from the public purse . their salaries of course purse. their salaries of course are paid from the public. i would like to live in a country where employees are committed to the work they do for us. they're paid a fair wage for that possibly a little bit more than they the moment. and then they get at the moment. and then we the second out of we take the second jobs out of the maybe with a few the equation, maybe with a few exceptions. do you exceptions. how small do you think salary should be think that salary should be then?i think that salary should be then? i would be perfectly happy. for example, stop. happy. for example, to stop. labour tempted to labour mp is being tempted to take jobs. they wouldn't take sectorjobs. they wouldn't be was if it was be tempted if it was if it was enshrined in law, but give them an extra enshrined in law, but give them an extr grand an extra £6,000 in the big grand scheme things a huge scheme of things that not a huge amounts about 90 odd amounts of money, about 90 odd may granted. you want to do may be granted. you want to do if if that would mean that if that if that would mean that we encourage good people we still encourage good people into because want to into politics because we want to be represented by people who aren't be looking over aren't going to be looking over their shoulders worried their shoulders and worried about whether they should actually consultancy or actually go into consultancy or into or whatever. we into banking or whatever. we

want good people representing us, want people to us, but we don't want people to be influenced by second be unduly influenced by second because , because i think because jobs, because i think nowadays a of people are nowadays a lot of people are looking at being an mp and they're not looking at it in the right for the right reasons. i've spoken to so many people that i've spoken to people that i've considered standing for whatever political party, getting in parliament and really all the bothered about is the perks of the job are not what the actual job entails and that's about representing people . that is why i believe our country is so fractured at the moment because people don't feel as though they're being listened to. employees representing people. they seem to just be representing themselves and organisations like the world economic forum. well, i'm listening to you guys and you still getting in touch with me about the whole tax situation. i would offer some of your thoughts in just a couple of minutes. when i come back, i'll take break. when i come take a quick break. when i come back, you think? the back, what do you think? the uk's and commitment to uk's response and commitment to ukraine? been criticised by

ukraine? it's been criticised by a former head of the army. he's saying basically we're lagging behind a little what we behind a little bit in what we behind a little bit in what we be our way. but now you be doing our way. but now you tell see you. and so .

hello adele. welcome back to dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight along side me the politico.com. then say it to dominic samuels and the writer and broadcaster matthew stadlen . and guys have been in such . and you guys have been in such a lot about some of our topics. tonight's poll says talking about rishi soon using about rishi soon not using private health. more people private health. the more people have insurance, private health. the more people hav better insurance, private health. the more people hav better he insurance, private health. the more people hav better he says insurance, private health. the more people hav better he says ihelps|ce, private health. the more people hav better he says ihelps the the better he says it helps the nhs because less people will then use it and reduce the burden on it. i kind of agree with that actually. maria says who cares whether or not rishi has that ? if i could afford it, has that? if i could afford it, me and my husband would definitely have it as and definitely have it as well. and that sentiment that is that is a sentiment that is coming thick fast. coming through thick and fast. actually, you care

actually, i don't think you care whether or not rishi has private health care. i don't think you feel needs to use the feel like he needs to use the nhs in order to appreciate it. the problems within . why don't nhs in order to appreciate it. the jtelllems within . why don't nhs in order to appreciate it. the jtell us|s within . why don't nhs in order to appreciate it. the jtell us whythin . why don't nhs in order to appreciate it. the jtell us why don't why don't nhs in order to appreciate it. the jtell us why don't they don't nhs in order to appreciate it. the jtell us why don't they tellt they tell us why don't they tell us, michel? well, hopefully because . matthew right, the because. matthew right, the media lots of the media in media or lots of the media in this ridiculous that this country, a ridiculous that if was actually honest and said i use private health care, they wouldn't be able to help themselves. they would create ridiculous kind ridiculous like create some kind of hunt against it by not of witch hunt against it by not answering, by not answering the question, fuel that witch question, he's fuel that witch hunt, isn't he? because he yeah. because what's odd is because i think what's odd is that during the tory leadership race against liz truss he was really forthright in that he know he shouldn't be judged because of his wealth. he thinks it's conservative to value hard work and reaping the rewards of that. so i don't know whether so forth my attitude towards that has gone in thatcher was very jealous, wasn't she? she said she said she was fine for health care and that was roughly a time

when she was thinking of trying to privatise social this. she was honest about it. peter says you're presenting. michelle is so she doesn't so out of touch. she doesn't struggle, she needs to struggle, but she needs to remember. she comes from, remember. where she comes from, people now see how people in whole will now see how snobby she really is . she looks snobby she really is. she looks down on people who aren't rich, disgusting behaviour. down on people who aren't rich, disgusting behaviour . yeah, this disgusting behaviour. yeah, this is peter. i don't look down on anybody at all, but what i do think peter and i absolutely stamp out my sentiments is the minute you start taking more money off people give to the state and they're allowed to keep i think keep themselves. i think something is not quite right and i do stand by that. so let's talk ukraine, shall we? the former head of, the british army, dannatt , is basically army, lord dannatt, is basically warning britain's warning that britain's commitment ukraine might be commitment to ukraine might be fading the cheerleader seems to fading. the cheerleader seems to have lost her voice, he says , have lost her voice, he says, and his place is basically all about these tanks. and he's suggesting we should be sending more tanks over to ukraine. matthew, do you stand ? it matthew, where do you stand? it seems according to lord seems to be according to lord dannatt he sort of head dannatt, and he was sort of head of the army head of the armed of the army or head of the armed forces, he? so we don't

forces, wasn't he? so we don't actually have that to give, which one of the take, take, which was one of the take, take, take, point. and so take, take away point. and so from the article is slightly concerning because i do believe that we need to have a robust defence in this country, particularly out particularly with russia out of control, as is under the dispatch of putin. what dispatch regime of putin. what we could give them, they thinks, is that some brand of armoured vehicle or tank that we don't any longer need and may end up on the scrap heap. and if it's true that we could give those quite easily , of course we quite easily, of course we should them. certainly should give them. i certainly think we be attempting to think we should be attempting to do european neighbours do what european neighbours are doing. don't have doing. of course we don't have the of budget as the same sort of budget as america but france and america. but if france and germany are doing more than us at moment, that's what at the moment, and that's what he's in terms of it, he's suggesting in terms of it, if we believe saying, then if we believe he's saying, then we at least match what we should at least match what they're doing. one of they're doing. because one of they're doing. because one of the things you might they're doing. because one of the with things you might they're doing. because one of the with this, hings you might they're doing. because one of the with this, iings you might they're doing. because one of the with this, i don'tou might they're doing. because one of the with this, i don't knowght agree with this, i don't know germany, you remember in february year when february of last year when russia people like me, russia invaded people like me, the twitterati were the sort of twitterati were saying, we've got to help ukraine, to do this. ukraine, we've got to do this. and by that. but there's and i stand by that. but there's a conflict fatigue, a sort of conflict fatigue, isn't that means our isn't there? that means that our voices distracted by

voices then get distracted by other and we move on to other things. and we move on to the big story. we do need the latest big story. we do need to keep our commitment to ukraine because it is freedom fighting tyranny in europe. look i'm not a fan of the sort of common narrative around ukraine that we just need to fund and fund until there's nothing left . however, the idea that our support is fading for ukraine or we're not enough for ukraine, i just think it's absolute nonsense . we've been the front nonsense. we've been the front runner , the leader in terms of runner, the leader in terms of money to ukraine. tens of thousands worth of equipment to ukraine lobbying over governments for ukraine. we've done loads for ukraine. and the idea that although european nafions idea that although european nations like germany are now doing more when germany didn't really want to get involved in the first place in terms of like committing to sending weapons, etc, because of putin i think is absolute nonsense. that does seem to be low down. it's point that we were a front runner and we're no longer our. well, maybe

it's because we're in a cost of living crisis right now and people can't keep the people can't afford to keep the lights on. so really wish you soon. luck might be using his noggin wants to tread noggin and wants to tread lightly in terms of splurging and at this and throwing more money at this country have barely any country when we have barely any ourselves it's very ourselves. so i think it's very to easy there screaming from a corner, but you also have to think about the millions of people across this country that be uncomfortable with the rhetoric on ukraine when they can't afford to dominate the whole. except i think i mean, i haven't seen the latest opinion poll, but i think speaking, given the generosity of people taking ukrainian taking refugees, ukrainian refugees into their houses, that was groundswell in this was a huge groundswell in this country. ukrainian country. still, with ukrainian flags we have to do flags saying we have to do something. is, if we something. the fact is, if we don't up to these bullies, don't stand up to these bullies, if we don't up to a if we don't stand up to a dictator, the sorts of evil that putin yes, he was nominally putin is, yes, he was nominally democratically elected, but he's essentially a dictator. in essentially a dictator. then in the cause a bigger the long run, we cause a bigger problem i to pay 900 problem for us. i had to pay 900 quid my energy bills over quid for my energy bills over the course three months, and the course of three months, and we've told it's too much. we've been told it's too much. that rising before that.

that was my rising before that. that, to my was a mind that, to my mind was a mind boggung that, to my mind was a mind boggling it is a price boggling amount. it is a price i'm prepared to pay in order to stand to that . would you stand up to that. would you put military on ground ? military boots on the ground? no. no, no. military base? no, i wouldn't. i wouldn't go that far. but i think the way that we have handling has been, have been handling it has been, broadly perhaps up broadly speaking, perhaps up until done it is until this point have done it is right. know whether right. and i don't know whether is speaking, has we've is broadly speaking, has we've judged it relatively well because have trained because we have trained their troops. them light troops. we have given them light arms that have enabled them to shoot down russian military hardware . we have ben johnson . i hardware. we have ben johnson. i think i'm going to be cynical about this. i think he did this partly save own skin, but partly to save his own skin, but also he believed in he also think he believed in it. he made noise in support of made lot of noise in support of zelenskyy and that and the west standing up, broadly speaking, to the first i to putin in the first place, i think was really important. did we go to with russia we want to go to war with russia literally with russia? literally war with russia? i'm not should have not quite sure we should have gone and we haven't. gone that far and we haven't. well, let me know your thoughts on that. adrian's been in touch well, let me know your thoughts on thathe drian's been in touch well, let me know your thoughts on thathe nhs. s been in touch well, let me know your thoughts on thathe nhs. that�*n in touch well, let me know your thoughts on thathe nhs. that first touch well, let me know your thoughts on thathe nhs. that first topic about the nhs. that first topic you say nhs should not be you say the nhs should not be managed by government. it's managed by our government. it's time the link. time to break the link. depoliticise management of

depoliticise the management of the , he who would you the nhs, he says. who would you put in charge of it that not being treated as two, if not rishi sunak quicker than the army? oh, we had an army. i always get told. all we say about the army. people write an essay, not just the essay, michel. it's not just the army. get involved. it's army. they get involved. it's the fail, the whole armed forces. fail, says i end 40 grand says michel. i end 40 grand a yeah says michel. i end 40 grand a year. it took me thousands of years to ear n £100 million. i years to earn £100 million. i agree the should agree with you. the rich should pay agree with you. the rich should pay to create a fairer pay more to create a fairer society. much do they society. how much cash do they need? phil says michel, you are so right. thanks, phil. tax higher taxes is a huge disincentive to work . keep your disincentive to work. keep your thoughts coming in. tax one certainly has got you guys talking. that is for sure. got to take a quick break. when i come back, i do want to get into some of your comments because there's so many of them coming in tonight. but i also want to ask, do you think that the uk government should basically intervene and intervene in to try and overthrow gender bill that overthrow the gender bill that was scotland? was recently passed in scotland? does make a mockery of devolution. you tell me. i'll see you .

in two. hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry writes virtual 7:00 this evening alongside with political commentator dominique samuels and the writer and matthew stadlen . welcome back, matthew stadlen. welcome back, everyone. lots of you getting in touch that that text topic is still getting you all going. i can tell you my inbox is absolutely filled marguerite says i'm appalled. michelle you are rude and insulting with your comments. you have lost your marbles, not your panel. comments. you have lost your marbles, not your panel . you marbles, not your panel. you support the greed of millionaires who should feel ashamed for sitting on their millions and not paying enough tax . she's saying, millions and not paying enough tax. she's saying, i'm blind to the injustice of these people living here. apparently everyone has a moral duty to pay the jews and pay a lot more. if you've got millions each to their own

says what an absolute no even totally biased for michelle his whoa whoa that's a strong that's not strong actually get called an awful lot worse i can tell you david says i have to remember my bolton roots what i would do. but i'm not from bolton . so but yeah, he says bolton. so but yeah, he says david says even on my way. she says he earns 13 grand a year and even on his wage he would be willing to pay more tax for the nhs . well, go on then. you can nhs. well, go on then. you can overpay your tax if you want to. i'm not saying you shouldn't. i'm not saying you shouldn't. i'm just saying can't. yeah, i'm just saying i can't. yeah, well, yeah, that's his well, that's. yeah, that's his choice. find me a lottery choice. what's find me a lottery winner who tells their accountant they would like to pay accountant they would like to pay tax as possible , pay as much tax as possible, says linda. you know, i don't even actually think you pay tax on your winnings. i know on your lottery winnings. i know . i think it's tax free. it made me maybe that, like, hypothetically, but for me, there are loopholes and the people that earn the know about them and exploit them and the people that earned the least and don't have as much financial

education do end of being shuffled by the system. and i think maybe our schools have a role to play here, not educating people financially about the tax system and how they can actually use those loopholes. but i guess that wouldn't be beneficial if people know about them. it's interesting . you'd expect interesting. you'd expect someone like me to have up in arms with rishi sunak for his suggestion we carry suggestion that we should carry on much older in on with maths so much older in life. and i did think it was slightly absurd, but there was a grain of truth there. i thought , which is that i think people should to understand the should be able to understand the bafic should be able to understand the basic enough to run basic maths in enough to run their lives. well, i go, their own lives. well, i go, right, let's talk about devalue shaun, shall we? i been going on recently over in scotland , which recently over in scotland, which has caused a little bit of a hoo ha, to put it mildly. i'm talking about basically the gender which makes gender reform bill, which makes it to identify as an it much easier to identify as an opposite gender any opposite gender without any medical process. medical diagnosis process. anyway, opinion and anyway, it's divided opinion and now conversations that now there's conversations that westminster perhaps should intervene and try and block this bill. should it's matthew. i

think it's a very, very objectively messy situation because at the moment we've got a very different law in in scotland coming into force in scotland coming into force in scotland . so the way we have scotland. so the way we have been saying , for example, and been saying, for example, and that that could lead to a peculiar situation where someone who is a man in scotland comes to england , and if it isn't to england, and if it isn't augned to england, and if it isn't aligned to the law, then in england they might still be a woman or the other way around, depending on which way they transition. so that does feel uncomfy to bill, but there is quite a strong argument. say that if westminster were to overturn a law made in scotland emphatically, it was passed emphatically, it was passed emphatically by the scottish parliament. whether you think it's good law for it's good or bad law for westminster to come in and say i'm sorry, we're going to deny you royal for that, can you royal assent for that, can you royal assent for that, can you fuss that there you imagine the fuss that there will of the border? will be north of the border? i think it be prepared to take to make that choice. i don't think scotland have the power scotland should have the power to dangerous laws to make sweeping, dangerous laws such as this stuff being roundly

talked about as really inappropriate and controversial. you did mention about the practical issues , the equality practical issues, the equality and human rights commission actually spoke about that, about different rules in different parts of the country and how practically this policy, which i think is dangerous and irresponsible and a danger to women and children, just wouldn't work personally. i'm at the point right now where i'm wondering what benefit devolution is actually giving this country . devolution is actually giving this country. i'm not sure what it's done . i think that all it's it's done. i think that all it's doneis it's done. i think that all it's done is give toxic politicians like nicholas sturgeon the freedom to incite more division and more anger and, formulate ridiculous policies such as these.i ridiculous policies such as these. i don't think that's fair on nicholas sturgeon because although i very, very strongly believe in the union and very, very did not want scotland to secede back in 2014, feels like a long time ago now on this issue , which i think is a really

issue, which i think is a really difficult issue, i at least think that nicholas sturgeon was acting in good faith. i think she quite right to describe herself as a lifelong feminist, but also concern for the romany, but also concern for the romany, but also concern for the yes, because she's also concerned for the rights of transpeople. those things don't have to be incompatible socially with social media as whip to step into this frenzy of thinking that people against that it's trans people against women . and i see that there women. and i can see that there may be some areas of conflicting rights which have to be dealt with and with sensitively and responsibly. i a responsibly. but i think a lot of it a concoction of of it is a concoction of nastiness. it's not trans people against . i think it's against women. i think it's people like nicholas sturgeon and those on sort of the extremes of the gendered debates that have made themselves the spokes. the spokes people for trans people . and then as a trans people. and then as a result, they put in place ridiculous radical policies like this, like not meeting a gender dysphoria diagnosis. this, like not meeting a gender dysphoria diagnosis . you can dysphoria diagnosis. you can change your gender legally. a 60 well, this will be a conversation that will rumble on and on and on. you guys, you are

still talking about the tax situation we're going in. so if you just tuned in, you wonder what we're talking about. we're just asking how much tax is too much tax to pay to take off someone. matthew was saying he would be quite comfortable taking t in the pound taking seven t pay in the pound for the highest billionaires. for the highest of billionaires. so be taking 300 so yes, he'd still be taking 300 million for billion. million quid for that billion. i think it's ludicrous. anyway, you divided on that. you guys are divided on that. and says, hey, michel, i and dee says, hey, michel, i like way you take insult like the way you take the insult towards you the chin . i was towards you on the chin. i was brought up to believe that sticks and may break my sticks and stones may break my bones , but words will never hurt bones, but words will never hurt me . you can have your me. you can all have your opinions. h own and we can all agree to disagree . that's what i agree to disagree. that's what i say. thanks guys. say. thanks very much, guys. nigel farage, next? what nigel farage, you next? what have for us ? michelle have you got for us? michelle thank you very much indeed. to our special tonight , the first our special tonight, the first houn our special tonight, the first hour, we'll talk about the fact the labour party are talking about using private health care to cut down the waiting list whilst the prime minister can neither confirm nor deny whether he private health care,

he uses private health care, will ask all labour getting this right and from 8:00 to 9:00 a one out royal special will debating should harry now be sacked because i think he should. first of all, let's get the all important whether this is alex deakin with your latest weather update from the met office a fairly soggy tuesday and a bluster day as well, but it won't be quite as cold as it has been out there today. low pressure dominating to the north. this one arriving, bringing the rain tomorrow in between a little bump in the ice, there's a little ridge of high pressure. that's where we are at the moment, which means most of us dry for the time being. there are still a few showers over parts of north—west england and certainly northern and scotland, but they and western scotland, but they are however, are easing off. however, here comes the rain from that next weather system spread into south—west england, wales and northern ireland. by dawn, the winds picking up as that winds picking up as well. that will milder ahead of will bring milder air ahead of it cooler conditions. we it with cooler conditions. we could see some pockets of frost, particularly in north—east england especially northeast

england and especially northeast scotland. for most it'll scotland. but for most it'll turn wet quite quickly on tuesday morning and that rain is going to be heavy and persistent over parts of wales and northwest had northwest england. we've had a lot rain recently, this lot of rain recently, so this extra could cause extra topping up could cause some issues. we do have met office yellow warnings place office yellow warnings in place parts eastern england taking parts of eastern england taking a through a little drive through the afternoon northern afternoon along with northern ireland. is going to be ireland. it is going to be a mild a day than today, obviously not feeling all that pleasant with wind rain, but with wind and rain, but temperatures into the temperatures getting into the teens. particularly teens. the wind be particularly gusty wales and gusty over parts of wales and western especially as western england, especially as this of rain swings through this band of rain swings through late in day. clearer skies late in the day. clearer skies follow and so the showers . follow and so do the showers. and that's where we're left with on wednesday , a mixture of sunny on wednesday, a mixture of sunny spells and showers lots of showers into west , showers packing into the west, probably not many. further probably not too many. further east, chance over east, a decent chance over eastern northeast eastern england, northeast scotland most the day scotland that most of the day will dry . but scotland that most of the day will dry. but even on will be dry. but even here on the winds, the showers the brisk winds, the showers will of heavy will arrive. plenty of heavy showers west and it will be a cooler day. again, temperatures up and down quite a bit this week, 7 to 10 celsius. and

again, feeling colder than that because of the gusty winds and the fairly frequent showers. so lots of weather systems on lots of weather systems going on almost week . almost on repeat this week. showers wednesday, this next weather system brings more persistent thursday . persistent rain on thursday. back to showers on .

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