channel very good morning . welcome to very good morning. welcome to bev turner today on gb news now the final three episodes of netflix docu series harry and meghan was released this morning at 8 am. buckingham palace has been accused of conduct acting a real kind of war against meghan by the duchess's lawyer. we're going to be discussing a judge ruling. also this morning, about five care home workers who lost jobs off, refusing to have the covid jobs off, refusing to have the covm jab. jobs off, refusing to have the covid jab. they say that they were fairly sacked . i went to were fairly sacked. i went to talk to a lawyer about that. i'm

going to be joined by fantastic guest this morning, joanna williams and david starkey. we're to get it stuck we're going to get it stuck into the striking for the the nurses striking for the first time in 100 years. that's all coming up after a look at the latest news . good morning as the latest news. good morning as minute pass ten on rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom. tens of thousands of nurses across parts of the uk are taking part in the biggest strike in nhs history. picket lines have been set up in england, wales and northern ireland and the first of 212 hour strike over pay staff will continue to provide some urgent care that routine surgery and other planned treatment will be disrupted . treatment will be disrupted. members of the royal college of nursing are asking for a 19% pay rise. a demands government says is unaffordable . under secretary is unaffordable. under secretary for health and social can, maria caulfield explains we have got a difficult choice as a government. they all are asking for a 19% pay rise. that's a £10

billion of funding that we would have to find to be able to pay for that. and as a government, we've only got three mechanisms to do that. not the to do that. it's not the government's money, it's the taxpayers we would taxpayers money. and we would either pay for either have to borrow to pay for that. either then tax people. that. we either then tax people. and know we would want and i think i know we would want that at a time when people are already struggling with cost of living pressures we take from living pressures or we take from existing . well, icu existing services. well, icu nurse katie hopkins says the striking not just for pay but for that patients patients aren't safe. patients aren't getting the care at the moment. there's two nurses on the wards that cannot deliver that care . that cannot deliver that care. we are going into hospital . i we are going into hospital. i came into nursing to look after my patients, to hold their to look after them, to wash them, to brush their teeth when they're unable to do that. and i can't see that at the moment because there's not enough staff on the wards . authorities are on the wards. authorities are continuing their search for four migrants believed to be missing

after a boat partially deflated . and the english channel 4 people have died when a boat with 47 on board capsized off the coast yesterday morning . the coast yesterday morning. well, our homeland security edhon well, our homeland security editor, matt weiss is in dover for us. mark, what more can you tell us .7 well, it is a very low tell us.7 well, it is a very low key search operation because clearly it's more of a recovery effort as there's no way that anyone will have been able to survive even the freezing waters of the english channel for this length of time. and, of course , length of time. and, of course, those in the water will have been swept well away from the initial scene of . this tragedy initial scene of. this tragedy initial scene of. this tragedy in the early of yesterday morning, because of the tight conditions and the currents in engush conditions and the currents in english channel as well . so english channel as well. so a low key search operation as far as migrant crossings are concerned . none so far today . concerned. none so far today. the weather is not really conducive for that. in fact, for the next couple of days , it's the next couple of days, it's going to be poor weather

conditions again. but we're told that comes saturday. it should become an off again for there to become an off again for there to be another surge of migrant crossings in the english channel. we are expecting hundreds more to attempt to make that voyage . mark thank you. that voyage. mark thank you. mark white, our home security editor there for us in dover. the final episodes of the harry and meghan don't kill you series have been released on netflix with the duchess of sussex revealing she thought about taking her own life. meghan says she thought to herself, all of this will stop if i'm not here. meanwhile, prince harry describes what he calls an urgent meeting with senior royals to discuss a new role for them as a couple. he recalls it being terrifying to have his brother shout at him and his father say things he claims that aren't true . the palace hasn't aren't true. the palace hasn't yet commented on the series . aren't true. the palace hasn't yet commented on the series. i would far rather get destroyed in the press than play along

with this game or this business of trading . and to see my of trading. and to see my brother's office copy the very same thing that we promised the two of us would never, ever do. that was heartbreaking . and the that was heartbreaking. and the bank of england is expected to raise interest rates again as the cost of living continues to soar. the cost of living continues to soar . the the cost of living continues to soar. the benchmark the cost of living continues to soar . the benchmark rate the cost of living continues to soar. the benchmark rate stands at 3, with economists predicting it could go up to 3.5. the latest meeting of the monetary policy committee today will mark the ninth consecutive hike since last december, with a rate already at its highest level in 40 years . some security rules on 40 years. some security rules on carrying liquids in items such as laptops in airports, hand luggage are two ways. the government set a for june 2020 for the major uk airports to install new security technology that will allow passengers to carry up to two litres of liquid

in their hand luggage. that's up from the current 100 mils and there will be no need to remove electrical items from bags at security . welcome news for many security. welcome news for many i'm sure this is gb news. we'll bnng i'm sure this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back to beth . now, though, it's back to beth. very good morning . welcome to very good morning. welcome to bev turner. stay on gb news. thank you for joining bev turner. stay on gb news. thank you forjoining me. stay thank you for joining me. stay here for the next 2 hours, won't you? here for the next 2 hours, won't you.7 more here for the next 2 hours, won't you? more royal drama today as the final three episodes of the docu series harry and meghan have just been released on netflix. we've got a wide range of royal experts on hand to break down the key of the show and consider what it might mean for the royal family. a tribunal rules rules that care home workers can be for refusing to get a vaccine. barchester

healthcare dismissed five workers who wouldn't get the but a judge threw out the claims of unfair dismissal on the grounds that the care home was trying to protect clinically vulnerable patients. this is extreme . the patients. this is extreme. the controversial. i'll be discussing how significant this ruling is with a lawyer and nurses in england, wales and northern ireland have begun the first of two daylong strikes overpay . the royal college of overpay. the royal college of nurses wants a 19% pay rise. the government say is simply unaffordable . so let me know unaffordable. so let me know what you think about all of that.jb what you think about all of that. jb views at gbnews.uk. we've also got a twitter poll running . i want to ask whether running. i want to ask whether you do support the nurses strike . 73% of you. so far this .73% of you. so far this morning are not supporting the industrial action . debuts at industrial action. debuts at gbnews.uk is email that i will be checking throughout. check .

be checking throughout. check. very dramatic . now part two of very dramatic. now part two of harry and meghan's documentary series has officially dropped , series has officially dropped, the kids say, on netflix . the the kids say, on netflix. the fourth episode of the duke and duchess sussex's series opens with clips from the weddings of late queen and duke of edinburgh and now a king and diana princess of wales . what else princess of wales. what else does the three hour extra the have in store for everyone? let's go live to the gb news royal reaction room. oh, yeah , royal reaction room. oh, yeah, we have one to speak to. our royal reporter, cameron walker , royal reporter, cameron walker, who is busy watching the episodes. cameron you probably have more popcorn to make , but i have more popcorn to make, but i am gripped on the edge of my seat. what have we seen so far this morning morning? that is pretty clear that these final three episodes are a lot more explosive than the first three

we saw last week. not only is prince harry and meghan very much criticising the british press here, they have started to criticise and make allegation against senior courtiers within buckingham palace and to be frank, may go as is to criticising prince harry's brother, prince william himself. but before we get to that. if you remember way back , i think you remember way back, i think the 2019 or early 20, 20 when harry and meghan had decided stepped back as senior working members of the royal family, there was a big meeting at sandringham dubbed the standing and summit between prince harry, the queen, prince charles and prince william. and this is what prince william. and this is what prince harry said about experience of that summit . i experience of that summit. i chose option three in the meeting , chose option three in the meeting, half and half out have our own jobs. but also work in support of the . queen but it support of the. queen but it became very clear very quickly that that goal was not up for discussion or debate . it was

discussion or debate. it was terrifying to have brother scream and shout at me and my father saying things that just simply weren't true and that my would quietly sit there and sort of take it all . in well, i'm of take it all. in well, i'm joined by historian rafe heydel—mankoo in the gb news royal reaction room. very pretty stuff there from prince harry. his he is saying that his brother shouted and screamed at him during that summit and his father, now the king said things which simply weren't true . your which simply weren't true. your thoughts? well, i guess i should say these, are far more explosive allegations now than we saw in first we saw in the first three episodes. of it episodes. and, of course, it depends entirely, i suppose, upon which side of the argument you're we know you're on. we know how we know how stressed and how tense things were at the time of that sandringham meeting. i'm certainly surprised that certainly not surprised that emotions have at a peak . emotions have been at a peak. whose side you believe? well if there was screaming or shouting, was it actually bullying? we've had allegation , of course, had this allegation, of course, that prince william bullied

meghan harry out of the meghan and harry out of the royal family. one person's bullying might just someone bullying might be just someone else saying to toe the else saying toe to toe the family line after all. yeah, well, on that bullying line that's very much alluded to that's was very much alluded to in documentary and prince in this documentary and prince harry actually talked about that particular story which appeared in the british press and that joint statements between his brother and william and harry at the time wasn't all as it seems. take a look . a sign of public take a look. a sign of public unity from the brothers who issued a joint statement calling the report false offensive and potentially harmful . couldn't potentially harmful. couldn't believe it. no one had asked me. no one asked me permission to . no one asked me permission to. put my name to a statement like that. put my name to a statement like that . and i rang them and i told that. and i rang them and i told her and she burst in floods of tears because within 4 hours they were happy to lie to. protect my brother . and yet for

protect my brother. and yet for three years they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us . some pretty, pretty protect us. some pretty, pretty serious allegations there from prince harry against brother or at least his brother's team , at least his brother's team, which we do not have a response for. i want to want to out there . but rafe , do you think prince . but rafe, do you think prince harry is very much saying that he's not denying fact that that story is untrue? is he about prince william bullying harry and meghan outside the royal family i think the implication is clear here. i asked earlier on to see some evidence and at least now we are getting some evidence cited and think it now behoves kensington palace to actually respond to these allegations as the allegations. as to why the statement put out if prince harry wasn't privy to that statement . but certainly, you statement. but certainly, you know, it has be said. also, prince harry said that the royal family and the media apart matters. but how on earth did the media get the story about william allegedly bullying harry and meghan? was the for and meghan? what was the for that? does seem that that? what does it seem that harry briefing against own

harry was briefing against own brother on this story ? well. i brother on this story? well. i think that needs to be addressed. also, the addressed. but also, if the royal family briefing royal family was briefing against and we've against the sussexes and we've heard about bullying, why did the royal family suppress the very damaging report into megan's alleged bullying? members of her own ? yeah. i members of her own? yeah. i mean, it's clear there's two sides to this story and only guessing from this guessing one side from this documentary we documentary, aren't we? we haven't official response haven't had an official response from or from buckingham palace or kensington , something kensington palace, but something i to touch on is the i wanted to touch on is the onune i wanted to touch on is the online trolling in which harry and meghan talk about and the very , very damaging and horrible very, very damaging and horrible comments which meghan has got onune comments which meghan has got online , some of which are online, some of which are telling her to kill herself for. they are threatening to kill her. and meghan speaks emotionally about that time and seems to make a direct comparison between negative headunes comparison between negative headlines about her in the british press and those online trolls threatening to take her life. well, look trolling is a terrible thing to go through , terrible thing to go through, and no one wants to receive be on the receiving end of that.

but actually, this was a question of whether you're a glass half full or glass half empty person to have only 83 a counts causing 70% of this half negative stories out of a population of 70 million in this country. let alone the hundreds of millions of the english speaking world, i think is a testament to the fact that there are few racists this country. are so few racists this country. 83 people out of such large population, i think is something to actually celebrate, it to actually celebrate, that it isn't larger number. and isn't a far larger number. and yet, you know, we have to go yet, you know, we all have to go through this. i'm a very minor. i receive trolling all the time. you just have ignore it. it you just have to ignore it. it comes have to expect comes on. you have to expect that. along with that. and it comes along with the the role. but, of the with the role. but, of course, what we've seen from from making the site is an attempt portray her as though attempt to portray her as though we've words symbols we've heard the words symbols of justice to taken justice that need to be taken down. and think it's time to down. and i think it's time to move on that. right. for move on from that. right. for the you very much, the moment. thank you very much, katie there are two sides to every story. have not had a response buckingham response from buckingham palace or we do or kensington palace. if we do get one, i'll bring that straight to you. you. straight to you. thank you. cameron cameron cameron you so much. cameron will be more netflix for us and

letting what transpires as we letting us what transpires as we through this morning. through to midday this morning. i don't have an awful lot of sympathy with talking about onune sympathy with talking about online trolling. what shakespeare makes. everybody gets abuse online if you're on the telly , i get plenty of it the telly, i get plenty of it every morning . that's the thing. every morning. that's the thing. you just have to ignore it. let's speak to emma pryor, senior writer for the sunday mirror and sunday. emma, good . mirror and sunday. emma, good. thank you for joining mirror and sunday. emma, good. thank you forjoining me . mirror and sunday. emma, good. thank you forjoining me. right. thank you for joining me. right. what have you seen so far? what do you make of what the headline take out for you ? yeah. morning take out for you? yeah. morning bad. i mean, as has been said already, this by far the most emotive of the episodes sort of i've watched four and five. so far because this is really the demise of the fairytale . it demise of the fairytale. it starts off with the sort of the perfect princess wedding and then you see the fallout from that. then you see the fallout from that . you see, you know , meghan that. you see, you know, meghan battling with her mental health . we already know just how bad things got the meghan from the oprah interview. so it's not in

that sense massively revelatory. but you obviously hear it in far more depth and you i think some viewers of this will know their hearts will go out to meghan. and there's a sense the whole way , the second volume, the way, the second volume, the sense that they're like puppets on string, you know, being told what to do by the institution and they're simply not going to take that , you know, as i say take that, you know, as i say sort of part of you advise them and part you thinks, well, they're very privileged, they're getting an absolute packet for this series . and they've said it this series. and they've said it all before . so do they really all before. so do they really need to dissect it to this level? but yeah, i mean having said that, there are you know, they have a chance to go they have a chance here to go into a lot more depth. yeah, right. support at i, i had right. the support at i, i had a very low opinion of them before i watched the first three episodes. and in terms of being a pr exercise to make us think differently about them. it works, right. i came away going, oh, fair enough. maybe you know, maybe they did just they were

too modern maybe they did just they were too modem for the royal family. they weren't posh enough for royal families. what i felt like they weren't going to just buy into these slightly illogical . into these slightly illogical. rituals and stuff that they will, if i'm have to do right. i have a feeling going to feel differently after these next three episodes when they really do start to. is it becoming a pity do start to. is it becoming a pity party now? are they now starting to feel more sorry for themselves ? yeah. i mean, i do themselves? yeah. i mean, i do think that you kind of obviously netflix have made the most of this with six episodes. i do feel that you could probably condense this, but obviously, why would they when they get, you royals speaking for you know, royals speaking for the time former royals? the first time or former royals? but think you get this but i do think you get this insight life that is insight into their life that is quite some senses . quite endearing in some senses. it's sort sickly sweet in it's sort of sickly sweet in others. mean, in terms of others. i mean, in terms of sickly sweet, she talks when she was pregnant, would they was pregnant, they would they were writing were journaling and writing their, their child she their, you know, their child she was sort of pregnant and sort of calling as they did their. baby, this is what's happened today , this is what's happened today, which people might find which some people might find a naf. some people find silly and

at the end of the day it's up to them what. they do. there's also when they in after they're married to nottingham cottage in kensington and kensington palace. she, she and harry talk about being quite small you know again fair enough if that's their view but a lot of people won't of particularly warm to that to living in palace grounds the end of the day. yeah but that it's quite poignant when you hear from meghan's mother talking about how meghan had hen mother talking about how meghan had her, that she had had told her, that she had thought about suicides. you can see it a part in that first episode for where meghan's mother is, you know, practically in tears, as you'd expect from a mother. and ultimately she's wanting to protect her daughter. and there's also sense from harry that when they really needed that mental health support, you know, that there was just a sort you know, we was just a sort of, you know, we can't you . have get can't help you. you have to get on with because what it look on with it, because what it look like he said some sad stuff like and he said some sad stuff about, you know, his own family says, know, you would says, you know, when you would expect support from own got the opposite. i feel oh opposite. so i actually feel oh i mean to say yeah the thing is

emma , i kind of think, you know emma, i kind of think, you know what , if you really wanted what, if you really wanted a psychologist , what, if you really wanted a psychologist, you could probably find one. you didn't need the royals to kind of tap into their concern text book. it's not like they were particularly top ten. very, very much of the book keep calm and carry on school anyway. lots more to unravel. emma pryor thank you so much. senior writer for sunday mirror and sunday for the sunday mirror and sunday people care, change from rich people to those who barely make ends meet. nurses are striking today. of course, we're doing this in our twitter poll. we're asking you, do you support the nurses strike so far today , 73% nurses strike so far today, 73% of you do not support the nurses strike . please give me your strike. please give me your reasons why under that, won't you?i reasons why under that, won't you? i will get to as many of them as i can and. also send me your emails. gbviews@gbnews.uk. after the break, i'm going to be joined by academic author and fantastic talk , joanna williams fantastic talk, joanna williams and also the peerless historian , especially on a day we're

talking about royals david starkey. see in a few minutes minutes .

good morning. it's 1023. good morning. it's1023. this is bev turner today on gb news that my guests are here this morning. i'm delighted to be joined by author and academic joanna williams, who amazingly made it here on the from middle of here on the trade from middle of nowhere . historian david nowhere. and historian david starkey, thank you so much for coming in. right. let me see what you've been saying as we're going to talk about meghan and harry. i know haven't watched it so morning our view is so far this morning our view is bnan so far this morning our view is brian said is toast. brian has said harry is toast. carole has said there are three people in their marriage, harry and on cameraman. it and meghan on the cameraman. it is fail and angie said is due to fail and angie said the way harry talks is, is that he's been persuaded. accusations are true than knowing them for himself. thought this about himself. i thought this about angie if half them were

angie and if half them were true, why didn't he do something them time? predict them at the time? i predict meghan the groundwork to meghan is laid the groundwork to star movie . david star her own movie. david starkey let me come to you . starkey let me come to you. you've watched royals for many, many years. we've never seen anything this, have we? anything like this, have we? well, of with well, we sort of did with princess diana. oh, i guess so. he is truly basher. princess diana. oh, i guess so. he is truly basher . our he is truly the basher. our interview that the famous one which poor, poor prince william us to believe was extorted from this poor woman. she wanted to do it well. she wanted to she wanted to damage she said, well, okay in either direction she's cast as the victim isn't she. the is to go to one what to say. what i'm trying to say is we have this before we've also seen the you cited one of them the viewer did those strange is scripted phrases in the bashir interview . there were three of interview. there were three of us in this marriage. i always used to say that my labrador took all of his tricks from watching princess diana. on one occasion, i saw him mascara . i

occasion, i saw him mascara. i think again, look at the artificial oddity of the language of this thing . he's language of this thing. he's presented , though this is from presented, though this is from the heart he's manifestly scripted . i wasn't thrown to the scripted. i wasn't thrown to the wolves. i was sent. so now what? and when you think about it, when you try and actually analyse that doesn't mean anything at all. no, no. but i it do. what am i being cruel. come on, tell him. tell me i'm being horrible to david. no no, no, i love it. but you see, the thing is do and i'm thinking about it when saying, you know, i wasn't, you know, i was fed to those kind of young people talk a like that, especially a bit like that, especially young american actresses. yeah. there is a blurred isn't there is a blurred line, isn't there, between fact and fiction sometimes in life, anyway, that you well, true and you know. well, this is true and to i think there to me, i think there are a couple of differences this and what going on with princess what was going on with princess diana. for one thing, diana. i mean, for one thing, harry an insider, whereas harry is an insider, whereas diana always a little bit on the outside, into the royal outside, she into the royal family, she family, whereas her she was a good deal more distinguished

birth family. if birth than the royal family. if look at the house of yes but to harry who's been brought up in this institution, he's talking about his grandmother. he's throwing accusations around now about his referring to his brother. in this latest episode just released today as having been shouting and screaming at him. now, i'm the eldest of five children. i have lots of siblings. i have three children myself. that is what siblings. yeah, i was quite i found that quite refreshing while i was quite refreshing while i was quite glad that they were actually slugging it out and insulting in private than all thing being buttoned and not really talking about. i quite like the idea they got it out in the excellently but it should be behind closed doors you know if what i said my siblings of what i said to my siblings of what i said to my siblings of what children each other what my children to each other was i'd be was made public, i'd be heartbroken the fact is heartbroken because the fact is with siblings, know, you can with siblings, you know, you can shout, can scream, and then shout, you can scream, and then you and you have a drink, you kiss and you make up and everybody forgotten about kiss and you make up and ev

making completely open and again bears. diana was slightly pushing the boundaries of what was socially acceptable at the time. i think you're absolutely right, beth. you know, when harry do they harry and meghan do this, they completely line , that kind of completely in line, that kind of emotive. let it all hang out. do you dating washington ? you know, you dating washington? you know, that kind of that. just just one more question on this, david before we move on to real people in nurses , do you think in striking nurses, do you think that the palace will now make a statement? will they have to say , or will they still maintain what they've done forever, which is no comment. no comment, i think the issue is whether what is said about the behaviour of prince william really does amount to a serious charge and i haven't listened to it sufficiently carefully to know whether that's the case . it whether that's the case. it really is. the director accusation of lying . i think accusation of lying. i think they should probably answer whether they will. but you see, i think living in waiting, we missed the most fundamental point. harry you were saying, john, is absolutely , of course, john, is absolutely, of course, born into it ,

john, is absolutely, of course, born into it, but he seems never to have understood it. the key complaint is this a hierarchical institution . what on earth does institution. what on earth does he know ? she's what i think. he know? she's what i think. what is this? but is it is this burning resent that i'm the younger brother and i'm not treated as though i was the prince of wales. i am merely too cautious it's meghan. i am merely duchess of sussex. i'm not treated as though i'm a princess of wales. what on earth do they think that kind of old fashioned, fictional trope of the stranger in the strange land, isn't it? that's how they both and thing you both talk. and the thing you didn't survive by rocket ship . i didn't survive by rocket ship. i mean, you know what? to some extent, meghan but harry extent, meghan did, but harry didn't totally . but didn't know totally. but but equally, think when you equally, i think when you actually look, i mean cameo just cast our minds back to meghan's wedding can look at the prince of wales is even was the king that he now she says how gracious he charming he did walk stands for her own father totally against precedent yet

this is the way in which the entire service is reconstructed to reflect her heritage and all the rest and everything you think that was done that possible to be done to welcome happen and this is simply been thrown back and with contempt and with interest . but thrown back and with contempt and with interest. but i think your point is absolutely right. these are people who have some . these are people who have some. our harry began as a royal. he's turned into celebrity and celebrity is all about as it were putting the dirtiest aspects of your character in is this terrible thing in which people turn themselves inside out. it's celebrity victimhood. it is all but what is so strange from harry and meghan is it's this really awful mix of celebrity victim combined with a massive dose of self entitlement and privilege . so for somebody and privilege. so for somebody to sit there and portray themselves as victims on top of

it, the royal duke let me just pause for royal, duke and duchess . he having inherited duchess. he having inherited half diana's very considerable wealth she sporting magnifies jewellery that was diana's was sitting in a mansion in montecito to complain about being oppressed. yes there's a level there's a level of self—indulgence you know, what occurred to me as well? of course, harry was largely left to live a normal, normal life . to live a normal, normal life. okay. compared to william and did ten years in the army. and he said in the first few episodes, know, having that episodes, you know, having that time i with time the army, i hung out with normal people. i was treated normally. i wasn't treated like a royal. and kind of a royal. and that's kind of backfired now the family backfired now on the family because, you say, he doesn't because, as you say, he doesn't into these illogical into the some of these illogical and because and irrational because they don't the idea don't bear scrutiny the idea that you're that when you're your grandmother room, grandmother walks in the room, you have to bow like it is illogical. 2022. but it illogical. in 2022. but it works. but life what life works. but life isn't what life isn't what that line only isn't. i expect to hear a silly i never expect to hear a silly nofion i never expect to hear a silly notion we don't live by logic we live by habits by tradition , by

live by habits by tradition, by by family traditions. live by habits by tradition, by by family traditions . and the by family traditions. and the royal family has its own odd little tradition. it and i think the thing that harry doesn't seem to understand has never understood . this goes back to understood. this goes back to your earlier point of it. when you're talking about hierarchy is there's an implicit contract there that, yes, you will behave like this to your grandmother and have . your and yes, you will have. your photo in while for photo taken once in a while for pubuc photo taken once in a while for public assumption. the other public assumption. but the other side of that bargain is you will have house, will have have this house, you will have this privileged, nice life. this very privileged, nice life. and what , if they were and you know what, if they were my mates, you know what i'd have said what? what do you said to the what? what do you want and what you want? this. want and what do you want? this. what this going to like? you what is this going to like? you can get your of can try to get your side of a story to the public, but story out to the public, but what bridges you're going to burn in the act of doing so? and i to be worth it in the i think to be worth it in the fullness time you love each fullness of time you love each other, live fabulous other, you live in fabulous house, a wonderful life and house, have a wonderful life and just anyway. time for just button it anyway. time for a quick break. you, guys. a quick break. thank you, guys. we to on nurses in we will get to on two nurses in a an employment tribunal a moment. an employment tribunal has that bosses has ruled that care home bosses were within rights to sack

were within their rights to sack members of staff who refused to be vaccinated against covid. how significant this? i'm to be significant is this? i'm to be talking about that your talking about that after your news rhiannon . beth. thank news with rhiannon. beth. thank you it's 1032 your top stories you it's1032 your top stories from the gb newsroom. tens of thousands of nurses across parts of the uk are taking part in the biggest strike in nhs history. picket lines have been set up in england, wales and northern ireland in the first of 212 hour strikes over pay. staff will continue to provide some urgent care , but routine surgery and care, but routine surgery and other planned treatment will be disrupted . members of the royal disrupted. members of the royal college of nursing asking for a 19% pay rise, a demand government says is on affordable . authorities are continuing their search for migrants believed to be missing after a boat partially an the english channel. four others died when a boat with 47 on board capsized

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unemployment's tribunal has ruled that care home bosses were within rights to sack members of staff who refused to take the covid jabs back . the time where covid jabs back. the time where care workers were made to get the vaccine . barchester the vaccine. barchester healthcare, one of britain's biggest care providers , sacked biggest care providers, sacked five members of staff, refusing to take the jab without any medical exemption. the employment judge threw out claims of unfair , saying that claims of unfair, saying that the home had fired the unvaccinated staff in order to protect clinically vulnerable lives. so i'm joined now by stephen jackson from jackson employment lawyers . good employment lawyers. good morning, stephen. just explain if you would , the kind of the if you would, the kind of the background to this story. we've got five individuals who who did that. how did this all come in the first place? it's been a very difficult time for care. home workers . yeah, i've seen a home workers. yeah, i've seen a few comments on this story, but we have to take back to 20, 20, 20, 20, 2021. that is the time

that the tribunal was looking at as to what was happening and was the employer acting reason b in what and how it was responding to the situation it faced. then what it knew then not what is known now . and that's the known now. and that's the important point for people to grasp. so what was the situation . the situation was that back in, i think was april 20, 21, the government finally started the government finally started the consultation on bringing in a requirement for workers in care homes to be jabbed with this covid 19 vaccine, as called . that was april 20, 21, when the consultation started. but there had been a long lead up to that. of course. so we'd been told throughout 2020 that the vaccine was the way out and the safest, most safe and effective way to protect all of us , and in way to protect all of us, and in particular to take the most vulnerable in the care homes . so vulnerable in the care homes. so that was what the pervading narrative was at the time. and

the belief held reasonably , many the belief held reasonably, many would say by many people including botched . so when we including botched. so when we got to see between about and november and april botched proceeded with rolling out a policy whereby they were requiring all of their staff to be vaccinated with these . covid be vaccinated with these. covid 19 injections that's where they were now . most of the batch of were now. most of the batch of workers, they went along with, they rolled up their sleeves and, got jabbed accordingly. but many said, actually, i don't to, but they went along with it because they knew the writing was on the board. as the tribunal wrote , and they were tribunal wrote, and they were going to lose jobs if they going to lose their jobs if they didn't. many had their bonuses withheld. they were told, well, if don't do the right thing, then us, then you're not one of us, frankly, and don't deserve frankly, and you don't deserve a bonus. so time we got bonus. so by the time we got april seven, 20, 21, nearly all of the vast of workers that about five, 6% outstanding had

rolled up their sleeves . but rolled up their sleeves. but there were some who said actually no, this is going too far. this is i don't accept this is safe, effective or i this against my beliefs such as a belief that , as one put, it's belief that, as one put, it's a god has given me natural immunity and i'm entitled to rely on that. and i don't think i should be having these and anything which is unnatural put into me, it wasn't quite put that way, but actually what was put then , i'm not sure where put then, i'm not sure where they were and they held out and they were and they held out and they were and they held out and they were dismissed . so the they were dismissed. so the tribunal question was, was that dismissal fair and was it that are you with me so far that i am. that's brilliantly explained. carry on. okay . so we explained. carry on. okay. so we get to tribunal this year eventually for a long, long time to come through the question of the tribunals that starts at the start is not what we now know . start is not what we now know. were these vaccines as called safe and effective here were

they. what describe what 7 to 10, etc. it's the question of the tribunal. now, the question is what was known for unfair dismissals? what was known at the time in april through june 2021, when botched to a saying, well, push comes to shove and we're shoving it out the door. mm the what. the tribunal said essentially and what passed said was well what we knew we believed was that these were safe and effective and that there was no significant risk to our workers by having these injections. the tribunal did not believe was reasonable . the believe was reasonable. the tribunal specifically has not ruled on whether or not was correct. the tribunal was very keen and i've just made the logistics what they said . the logistics what they said. the tribunal was clear from the outset that its role was not to assess the dangers of covid nor the effectiveness or safety of any covid 19 vaccine. so they

haven't specifically have not looked at the evidence to say these injections were safe or they were effective . the they were effective. the question for unfair dismissal simply the employer's decision, that belief and how they acted in response to that, was it reasonable or cool or alternatively if they were to say it wasn't fair, wasn't reasonable, they would have to say no employer reasonably believe these were safe and effective and we're going to protect the residents. the guarantees that are always going to be difficult when it's not as much to rely on the government and the government's scientific advisers . these are safe and advisers. these are safe and they are effective. so say no reason the employer could accept that as being true was always going to be difficult. so that's where we are . did these where we are. did these employees or former employees, do they have any means of appealing this ? i know that the appealing this? i know that the together declaration and guys have got a campaign running with compensate and reinstates health

care workers. is there. any likelihood of that happening? and if so, who would have to make that ? that sounds like make that? that sounds like a government's level intervention . pull it together, campaign certainly is. i'm as far as appealing this decision . i think appealing this decision. i think that certainly some prospects of it and i think watch this space is the answer because i've just explained how the unfair dismissal situation works and that's a difficult task . but that's a difficult task. but discrimination, that's another one, the tribunal accepted that what was referred to in very pithily as my body my choice being a philosophical belief of these workers. it was accept it bypassed it. and the tribunal this was a protected philosophical. the this was a protected philosophical . the difficulty philosophical. the difficulty was is the tribunal does not seem as far as i can see, to have identified what was the justification interfering with that belief and the rights so as you say, my belief with my part, my therefore i'm trying to say

to reject you inject this into my ah , excuse me . to justify the my ah, excuse me. to justify the interference, to justify saying no, we're going to you will lose yourjob if no, we're going to you will lose your job if you no, we're going to you will lose yourjob if you don't have if yourjob if you don't have if you don't have this injection, the tribunal didn't actually call it coercion, but exactly what it is, it can't be anything . it must be justified . . it must be justified. tribunal, as i said, they have said we are not looking at what is the right we're not going to change covid, nor effectiveness or safety of any covid 19 vaccine. well, how can you justify interference with the rights? yeah if you don't make an assessment of sorts , they an assessment of sorts, they must have made such assessment . must have made such assessment. but to date, these are safe and effective. the tribunal accepted a reason why this has been a set assessment, but actually at the time there were numerous studies indicating these were not effective. so purpose was to protect , quite rightly protect protect, quite rightly protect the vulnerable. the residents . the vulnerable. the residents. yeah, but were effective in that. well there were all these

studies showing that the showing that the viral load for vaccinated unvaccinated was was pretty much the same there's no benefit from the vaccination . benefit from the vaccination. we're going to speak to a care home owner in just a moment as well. but thank you. it's really complicated issue. it sounds very on paper. so very simple on paper. so i really appreciate you giving us the explain it. stephen the time to explain it. stephen jackson, they're from jackson osborne now. joyce osborne lawyers now. joyce penfield a spokeswoman at, penfield is a spokeswoman at, the national care association . the national care association. good morning, joyce. you could just thank you for hanging on it is a really complicated issue this isn't it because it ties in all sorts different issues about medical ethics, about bodily autonomy , what is right for the autonomy, what is right for the vulnerable and the elderly in these care homes as well. how hard was it to be a care worker dunng hard was it to be a care worker during the with these diverse pressures from all sorts of areas ? yes. good morning . of areas? yes. good morning. of course, we do have to go back to the beginning of covid when we

were all not knowing quite what was going to happen . we were all was going to happen. we were all very worried regarding protecting nhs. so of course, the government did leave us to our own devices or may say they wanted to protect the nhs , so wanted to protect the nhs, so they did assent to people to care homes without testing . so care homes without testing. so many, many people were unfortunately . open to the covid unfortunately. open to the covid virus and many residents and indeed the staff were lost due to that virus at the beginning of what was it about 18 months ago. and so we were calling as care home providers that we needed protection, that we needed protection, that we needed ppe, we only people to come to in homes who had been tested so that we wouldn't bring in that virus into the care homes. so from that i'm so sorry to interrupt you. i just want to get your thoughts on this ruling

because i think there were about 40,000 care workers who were lost from the system because of these young people who just said i've had covid. i don't want to have this injection. what do you think about this tribunal ruling to say that they fairly to say that they were fairly dismissed now ? well, of course, dismissed now? well, of course, it was the government legislation that said that we did have to affect vaccinate all of our staff . so did have to affect vaccinate all of our staff. so in many did have to affect vaccinate all of our staff . so in many ways, of our staff. so in many ways, we had no option. many of our staff felt that this was really a very hard thing to put on care workers who were already stressed at that time. so care providers almost had no option to enforce the mandatory vaccination of all care staff. and i think this is where we came from, is that we did need a way of protecting our residents. of course, we have a duty of care, but because of that vaccination programme was put on us by the government we almost had no option . we could perhaps had no option. we could perhaps

have managed by coercion to explain to people that this was the best way to protect our residents, to protect ourselves and your families . but we and your families. but we weren't given that option to try and persuade people. so this is why many people lost their jobs . okay, thank you very much. choice joyce pym feel that spokeswoman at the national care association . and of course it association. and of course it was the loss of those workers which has contributed to the pressure now within the nhs with people can't be discharged , people can't be discharged, elderly people to comedy stations, care homes and, therefore the nurses are working harder and therefore have to harder and therefore we have to strike. follow this all strike. you can follow this all back on now of course. yesterday for people died after the migrant boat capsized in the engush migrant boat capsized in the english channel. it is the worst tragedy the that part of the water for over a year. our homeland security editor mark white is here to bring us up to date . just 13 months after 27 date. just 13 months after 27 migrants drown in the english channel migrants drown in the english channel, another tragedy

unfolding offshore , the sound of unfolding offshore, the sound of helicopters filling the nights sky as coast guard and, their ambulance asset scramble to the scene there were dozens of people in the water after their small migrant boat got into difficulties . lifeboats, port, difficulties. lifeboats, port, air force and royal navy vessels along with our french counterparts, converged on an area about eight miles off the kent coast . back in dover , kent coast. back in dover, ambulances were on standby in the harbour to receive casualties . as the morning casualties. as the morning progressed , the worst possible progressed, the worst possible news with the confirmation of . news with the confirmation of. multiple fatalities . the bodies multiple fatalities. the bodies brought back to shore as the home secretary she addressed parliament on another channel tragedy. a authorities had long warned about . these are the days warned about. these are the days that dread crossing the channel in unseaworthy vessels is a

lethal, dangerous . is it just lethal, dangerous. is it just for reason? above all that we are working so hard to destroy the business model of the people smugglers? evil organised criminals to treat human beings as cargo even as the air and sea search operation continued. uk and french had to respond to several other small boat sites , several other small boat sites, things picking up and transferring hundreds of to dover as criminal gangs took full advantage of calmer weather conditions in the channel. the brutal truth as well is that criminal gangs have made money from lives that were lost. today they have profited as people have. they have profited as people have . day after day. week after have. day after day. week after , week. criminal gangs are putting lives at risk for money . this latest tragedy came less

than a day after the prime minister announced a new multi pronged plan. he hoped would help reduce the number of small boat crossings . although the boat crossings. although the authorities in, france and the uk have long warned the dangers of trying to negotiate, the engush of trying to negotiate, the english channel in a flimsy, small inflatable . there is no small inflatable. there is no end to the number of people who seem to be willing to take that . and as far as the criminal gangs are concerned, well, they are not going to stop what is a lucrative multi—million pound criminal enterprise, even in these winter months. the channel migrants will keep coming whenever the criminal gangs see a weather window, they'll en masse from french beaches and sadly individual tragedies will do nothing to deter them . thank do nothing to deter them. thank you, mark. mark there. now, let me introduce you to my guest this morning. i'm delighted to be joined by author and academic joanna williams and author of fantastic substack, by the way,

where your own where you publish your own articles. is brilliant, articles. yours is brilliant, joe. drive at david joe. i think drive and at david starkey . good morning. writes starkey. good morning. writes nurses strike . we've got 100,000 nurses strike. we've got 100,000 striking nurses. this is unprecedented they say they're striking not just about pay . striking not just about pay. they want a 19% pay rise. that seems like quite a lot and but they've also said that striking about patient they said the numbers are so on the ground that they are putting patients risk. what you think, david? risk. what do you think, david? i think the really interesting saying historian starkey. saying historian david starkey. right | saying historian david starkey. right i think the interesting thing is look at the history thing is to look at the history of college of nurses, of the royal college of nurses, a like that. this was not a name like that. this was not and was never intended to be a trade union. it's founded in middle of the first world war 1916. the intention to turn nursing into a serious profession . that's why it's profession. that's why it's called the college . i think called the college. i think everyone knows you're a historian . you everyone knows historian. you everyone knows who you are . but. but, no, but who you are. but. but, no, but i'm just trying to press. is that what we've seen is an

organisation that's turned its back on, its history. the royal college embodied the notion that nursing was a vocation and your absolute duty was your patient and not to yourself. there's been a coup in the organisation the last few years with the emergence of pat cullen and as the general secretary and that has represented standing the entire tradition of nursing on its head . what an interesting its head. what an interesting take. what do you think, joanna? so that the kind of a conclusion is we have all too selfish now to have any sort of occupation in which you put your to abrogate your own needs for the sake of the person that you're caring for. well, i don't generally some generally that there is some truth in that, but i think ultimately, if you don't have a decent you're not decent wage, then you're not able your job properly able to do your job properly ehhen able to do your job properly either. no, i would agree with that. but what trying say that. but what i'm trying to say is you go about getting is it's how you go about getting it. and remember pay review body as come with what is as as as come up with what is relative very large settlement

relative a very large settlement . we in the middle of the . we are in the middle of the most serious financial crisis since the second world war. and these people you utter the figure 19. i mean, i agree, but that figure does see my watching. but we've got to remember that inflation is above 10. so you need a pay rise of 10% just to stay still . now, 10% just to stay still. now, i feel bad about nurses asking for this amount of money because it seems to that huge amounts of our money taxpayers money, my money is going into the nhs , but money is going into the nhs, but that doesn't necessarily correspond to nasa's salaries. i mean, i wonder how much of that money that goes into the nhs is going to managers to be recruits, to equality and diversity officers to people who are not actually on the front line. and i actually don't think nurses are that well paid in the grand scheme things. and grand scheme of things. and where managers and where is those managers and bureaucrats? equality and diversity offices were able to work from home during lockdown . work from home during lockdown. it nurses who were actually it was nurses who were actually out there the once gp's might out there on the once gp's might not have paid, stayed at

not have been paid, stayed at home and saw you through zoom. but was nurses were out but it was nurses who were out on front line and i actually on the front line and i actually think they do deserve a pay rise. let's look at some of the numbers then properly so real pay numbers then properly so real pay nurses declined by pay for nurses has declined by £5,000 2010, fallen by £5,000 since 2010, fallen by 1800 pounds. this year alone, 40,000 nurses left the nhs in the past year. that's one in nine of the workforce . what nine of the workforce. what should the government do now? david, what what does steve barclay do now? because they're not going to it's going to go away. they're not going to go away. they're not going to go away. and they must go away for obvious reasons. what steve barclay is doing is something very remarkable . he is the first very remarkable. he is the first minister to begin to grasp the problem that faces this country. did you? nobody's noticed it. it's fascinating. it's about place . he has brought that. place. he has brought that. remember politicians in theory have no control over nhs at all. apart from setting its budget, it's . it's apart from setting its budget, it's. it's run as a kind of quango. and what he has insisted

is that the heads of that quangos, catherine one office all come into his office and work with him for the first time. there's a sign of somebody actually grasped the fundamental problem which is we the again, let's let's put this into perspective . the nhs is starting perspective. the nhs is starting to take over. if you actually look at government expenditure, it's 40% and rising. if it continues at its current trajectory , the nhs will be over trajectory, the nhs will be over % and if we continue our current structure, the newsreader is going to be a very thing that the end of office will be right back with more of this short .

break good morning. welcome to bev turner today on tv news. thank you for joining turner today on tv news. thank you forjoining me. nurses in england, wales and northern ireland will stage walkouts this morning in the largest strike action in nhs history. migrants are still fighting for their in hospital and four have died after a migrant boat capsized in the english channel yesterday. and the second part of harry and meghan's look at us netflix series has become to view this morning. what have said now. that's all coming up after a look at the latest news news. good morning. it's 11:01 look at the latest news news. good morning. it's11:01 on rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom. tens of thousands of nurses across parts of the uk are taking part in. the biggest strike in nhs. are taking part in. the biggest strike in nhs . picket lines have strike in nhs. picket lines have been set up in england, wales and northern ireland in the

first of 212 hour strikes. overpay staff will continue to provide some urgent care, but routine and other planned treatment be disrupted. members the royal college of nursing are asking for a 19% pay rise that demands , the government says, is demands, the government says, is unaffordable . under secretary unaffordable. under secretary for health and social care, maria caulfield explains. for health and social care, maria caulfield explains . we maria caulfield explains. we have got a difficult choice as a government. they are set are asking for a 19% pay rise. that's a £10 billion of funding that we would have to find to be able to pay for that. and as a government only got three mechanisms to do that. it's not the government's money, it's the taxpayers money. and we would either borrow pay for either have to borrow to pay for that. then people and that. we either then people and i think i we would want that at a time when people are already struggling of living struggling with cost of living pressures. take it from pressures. all take it from existing services . meanwhile, existing services. meanwhile, icu nurse kelly hopkins says the striking not just for pay but for their patients patients aren't safe. patients aren't

getting the care. at the moment, there's two nurses on the wards that cannot deliver that care . that cannot deliver that care. we're going into hospital . i we're going into hospital. i came into nursing to look my patients to hold hands, to look after them, to wash them, to brush their teeth when they're unable to do that. and can't see that at the moment because there's not enough staff on the wards . while staying with wards. while staying with strikes, ground baggage handlers heathrow airport have announced strike over christmas will be going ahead causing disruption for passengers going over the new year. more than 400 staff members at the west london airport will begin a 72 hour walkout from morning. it's after rejected the latest pay from their employer, menzies called for a 13% pay rise. a further 72 hour strike at terminals three and four will follow running from the 29th of december to the morning of new year's day . morning of new year's day. meghan markle has revealed how

she thought about her own life in the final episodes of a docu series released today on netflix . in one of them, she says, she thought herself, all of this will stop if i'm not here. prince harry, meanwhile, blames media for his wife's miscarriage . and he speaks about the breakdown of his relationship with brother. he recalls it being terrifying to have prince william shout at him and his father say things. he claims that true. the palace hasn't yet commented on the series. i would far rather get destroyed in the press than play along with this game or this business of trading . and to see my brother's office copy the very same thing that we promised the two of us would neven promised the two of us would never, ever do . that was never, ever do. that was heartbreaking . authorities are heartbreaking. authorities are continuing their search for four migrants believed to be missing after a boat partially in the

engush after a boat partially in the english channel. four people have died when a boat with 47 on board capsize off the kent coast yesterday . morning. british yesterday. morning. british authorities and lifeboat services as well as the french navy were all involved in the rescue operation. the prime minister told employees there'd been a tragic of human life . the been a tragic of human life. the bank of england is expected to raise interest rates again as the cost of living continues to soar. the cost of living continues to soar . the the cost of living continues to soar. the benchmark the cost of living continues to soar . the benchmark rate the cost of living continues to soar. the benchmark rate stands at 3% with economists predicting it could go up to 3.5. the latest of the monetary policy committee will mark the ninth consecutive of hikes since last december, with the rate already at its highest level. the 14 year thousands of people in shetland facing a fourth day without power as snow and freezing temperatures continue to grip uk. almost two and a half thousand homes still without electricity as heavy

snow fell on cables earlier this week. more than 120 extra engineers have been drafted to help reconnect their warning. it's likely to be the end of the week. power is restored to properties , some security rules properties, some security rules on carrying liquids and items such as laptops in airport handles , which are two ways that handles, which are two ways that governments set a deadline of june 24 for major uk airports to . install new security technology . it will allow technology. it will allow passengers to carry to two litres of liquids in their hand luggage from the current hundred mils and there will be need to remove electrical items from bags at security . and it's bags at security. and it's understood . three time wimbledon understood. three time wimbledon champion boris has been freed from jail and will be deported from jail and will be deported from the uk. the 55 year old german tennis star been in prison for eight months after being found guilty of bankruptcy. he was in april of hide . bankruptcy. he was in april of hide . £2.5 million worth of

hide. £2.5 million worth of assets and loans to avoid paying his debts . assets and loans to avoid paying his debts. this assets and loans to avoid paying his debts . this is gb news. his debts. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back to beth . to beth. thank you, rhiannon. it's 1107. thank you, rhiannon. it's1107. this is beth. 10th day on gb news. in this hour, nurses in england, wales and northern ireland will stage walkouts this morning in the largest strike action in nature history. i'm going to be joined a former nurse who dedicated a lifetime of service to the nhs. what does she think? i know that royal bombshell. the second part of harry and meghan's netflix series came out earlier this morning. our royal reporter cameron is live from . the gb cameron is live from. the gb news royal room with a host of gnpped news royal room with a host of gripped royal guests and going

to be joined by my smart and opinionated guests at about 30 minutes with a look at the day's biggest stories, including the dangers , social media and of dangers, social media and of course , you have not course, you have not disappointed this morning. we've got a twitter poll. you've sent some brilliant messages and i'm going to read them in just a moment. but our twitter poll is about the strikes. you about the strikes. do you support the strike? 73% support the nurses strike? 73% of you do not support them. hard hearted , cast your vote now do hearted, cast your vote now do email me as well. views at gbnews.uk to let me know your thoughts on anything else that we're discussing . just quick we're discussing. just quick couple of your views . gareth is couple of your views. gareth is talking the covid jabs in the and the care homes and that that legal case that the covid jabs were not fully tested and still not fully tested , says gareth. not fully tested, says gareth. so these care home workers who rightly refused the untested covid rightly refused the untested covm jab rightly refused the untested covid jab were unfairly dismissed and harry and meghan has , marsha said. they're only

has, marsha said. they're only trying to tell their truth. put yourselves in their shoes and show some empathy. you are not judge and jury. we are . that's judge and jury. we are. that's the whole point. if they're going do like we going to do a series like we become the judge and jury and pretty their it pretty in their shoes, it doesn't like such a bad doesn't look like such a bad life. now. nurses across life. okay now. nurses across england, northern england, wales and northern ireland on strike this ireland have gone on strike this morning talks the morning after talks with the government deadlock morning after talks with the gove thousands deadlock morning after talks with the gove thousands of deadlock morning after talks with the gove thousands of patientslock with thousands of patients expecting disruption to and appointments. the next appointments. what's the next step that the government takes to prevent further strike to prevent a further strike action ? well, joining me now is action? well, joining me now is former community nursing sister and community manager rosemary wyatt , also viewer of . gb news wyatt, also viewer of. gb news to. so good morning, rosemary . to. so good morning, rosemary. thank you for joining to. so good morning, rosemary. thank you forjoining me. can i ask you, first of all, when did you leave the profession? how long and did you ever imagine a time when nurses might be striking? good morning . i left striking? good morning. i left the profession in 2010. i retired and i spent. i've been working since 1969. i guess on

the couple of kids in between . the couple of kids in between. no, i never i guess , i, i never no, i never i guess, i, i never really that anybody would go on strike. no i didn't. i it was always oh, i think we've lost rosemary . oh, what always oh, i think we've lost rosemary. oh, what a shame. i going to ask therefore whether she agreed with david stark, his point about the fact that the royal college of nursing is meant to always put somebody else in front, in front of themselves. i think she's back. rosemary, are you back with us ? rosemary, are you back with us? welcome to the joys of live tv. rosemary, we can't hear you now. just one second. hang on. right oh, i think we've lost her. i think we've lost her. let's see if we can get rosemary back. that's such a shame. let me go to some of your views of what you've been saying. morning. okay. we're going to go to alice port and said let's cross over now london reporter alice now to our london reporter alice paul saint paul paul to do is at saint paul hospital with some nurses existing nurses. hello alice how are . what's the mood like down

are. what's the mood like down there today. all the crowd getting a of . passing getting a lot of. passing private always quite telling . private always quite telling. yes there absolutely is as you can hear but as you're watching people just keep coming past on this bridge and beeping the nurses which is they responded a cheer from the who are striking here and it suggests i guess when the people driving past thatis when the people driving past that is public support for the nurses. the question is will pubuc nurses. the question is will public supports remain when we've got today a 70,000 council procedures and operations, of course, that's going to have an impact on care around the country now the royal college of nursing say that life preserving treatment will go ahead it's an urgent and critical care will still happen but of course as a of discussion and debate about what constitutes urgent care that's a lot of discussions that people are having at the moment. and from my understanding that actually cases are going to be considered between nurses , the considered between nurses, the nursing union and trustee , nursing union and trustee, whether they'll be going ahead. and of course, this is much

and of course, this is very much an ongoing debate and concern over. an ongoing debate and concern over . nurses an ongoing debate and concern over. nurses pay an ongoing debate and concern over . nurses pay the government over. nurses pay the government say they're requesting a 19% pay rise is just simply not affordable. that i would amount to 10 billion. but the nurses are saying, well, this is more than it would rise with inflation and have criticised the pay review which was done earlier this year into nurses pay earlier this year into nurses pay that the government have taken, which was to give nurses a pay taken, which was to give nurses a pay rise of 1400 pounds. but that crucially was done in february when it was a very different economic , when different economic, when inflation was nowhere near as high as it is now. so many of have criticised that and say 1400 simply is not in this economic climate. and that's why they're asking for a pay rise of 90, which many will say is far too much . okay, thank you, too much. okay, thank you, alice. alice porter down there in in london . alice, have you in in london. alice, have you got to speak to many of the nurses there this morning? do

they what what is the mood like? is this they you know, they look quite buoyant and quite jovial down there. but i know when you speak to them, they're quite reluctance be taking this action. like this is action. they feel like this is the straw, don't they ? they the last straw, don't they? they really do. i think a lot of people i've spoken to on the picket line have said to me that they just keep saying, we're so sorry we've had to do this. and i think that is something we have really. reemphasize this is the first time for the whole of the first time for the whole of the nhs nurses gone on the uk, the nhs nurses gone on strike. they have before specifically northern specifically in northern ireland, whole ireland, but not for the whole of and i think that is of the nhs. and i think that is something that many of them feel incredibly but incredibly sorry about, but a lot them have just said to me lot of them have just said to me we have no choice. some of them i mean particularly look we're here this an here in london, this is such an expensive city. i mean, i can only how difficult is only imagine how difficult it is for the costs of commuting in to a hospital you're on, say, a hospital when you're on, say, £27,000. i wouldn't want £27,000. i know. i wouldn't want to be doing it. so i think that's the difficulty a lot that's the difficulty for a lot of are struggling of the nurses who are struggling , somewhere, , particularly somewhere, an area financially, they area of london financially, they feel they're forced into. and

then it also a difficult then it becomes also a difficult situation many nurses situation where so many nurses as you just as the guest you would just speaking before we she sadly as the guest you would just spe outg before we she sadly as the guest you would just spe out or before we she sadly as the guest you would just spe out or leave fore we she sadly as the guest you would just spe out or leave the we she sadly as the guest you would just spe out or leave the professionily cut out or leave the profession that's exacerbated because that's been exacerbated because of and therefore of the pandemic and therefore a lot of the nurses are saying it's not because of the low staffing levels, but then it becomes something of a chicken and egg situation that because there are fewer staff, the ones who are still here to feel unsafe staying in the nhs. okay. thank you, alice. alice porter there. and talking of all former nurse that we lost there due to technical, i believe rosemary is back with us. rosemary wyatt . back with us. rosemary wyatt. hello, rosemary . good morning. hello, rosemary. good morning. around now you've just you might have heard what alice saying there about the nurses. they feel that they have no option. they feel that they've come to the end of the road. but is this a pro period action for nurses to be taking who are meant to be doing a which involves a doing a job which involves a huge selflessness ? no, not huge of selflessness? no, not really . i, i believe everything really. i, i believe everything that professor starkey said actually he was spot on. we

wouldn't we would we trained as nurses it was a vocation . you nurses it was a vocation. you would never have dreamt leaving your patients bedside . not for your patients bedside. not for anything. we've we've gone through strikes. we've gone through strikes. we've gone through all sorts of things . but through all sorts of things. but never would you actually renege on your patient. i do never would you actually renege on your patient . i do believe on your patient. i do believe nurses do need recognition . they nurses do need recognition. they need a huge amount of more recognition and not just about their money but also about that conditions of work and patient safety which i believe your other mentioned , you know, other mentioned, you know, patient safety is paramount and it's not a it's not always dealt with appropriately . rosemary, with appropriately. rosemary, there are about 39,000 vacant space for nurses in the nhs at the moment 40,000 left in the past , full time nurses, midwives past, full time nurses, midwives did increase though by 32,000

between august 2019 and august 2020. to how do. we get more people wants to be nurses well i would never recommend to do nursing now because are much easier ways of making money nursing is a particular focus john and i think the country needs to recognise the nursing profession has a lot to give , a profession has a lot to give, a lot to offer and a lot more that it could do that it doesn't do now i think nursing is a very hard profession to . do yeah but hard profession to. d0 yeah but . it was always hard wasn't it so i wonder what's changed what's happened to graduates coming through younger people at school ? don't they want to be school? don't they want to be nurses somehow it it's not attractive career . i know attractive career. i know i think when i started nursing in 69 nursing was as anybody adored

nurses we worked very very hard we were always short staffed we were always it was we were exhausted but we were so appreciated . we were so appreciated. we were so appreciated. we were so appreciated was amazing. and you did it because you loved it . but did it because you loved it. but we had the pay was terrible. the pay we had the pay was terrible. the pay was do you didn't go into nursing for the pay. now the problem now is that i don't really i can't pinpoint what the problem is. now, the training nurses is completely different to what it used to be complete different now they go to universal , different now they go to universal, you get a degree and don't know whether that's the right thing or the wrong thing to. i think that the way that we when i trained on the job like an apprentice was actually fantastic way to learn the job. i think so and the problem of course rosemary, is that lots of nurses now come of that degree with a huge amount of debt because of having to pay as well for training. and then for their own training. and then they pay it back. they more money to pay it back. so i can't help think that this

all started to go wrong. nurses had graduates. but had to be graduates. but rosemary thank you much rosemary wise, thank you so much for and you for for joining us and thank you for being of our gb news family being part of our gb news family and one of our regular viewers to now tell them emails to now tell them your emails about vaiews@gbnews.uk . about new vaiews@gbnews.uk. we've got this poll up asking whether you support nurses whether you support the nurses strike . cast your vote. now off strike. cast your vote. now off the break. i'm going to be back with my guests in just a moment to discuss the topics of the day, include shooting this really awful story about the killer, mcswain . he had killer, jordan mcswain. he had an unbelievable deal sheet of offences before . he killed poor offences before. he killed poor sara alaina and we'll be discussing that case this quick.

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today on gb news john williams is back with me author and academic and his story in david starkey writes joanna sometimes these stories come which are so brutal and distressing and raise awareness of so many ways which the justice process has worked to keep somebody inside is zorra elena , who lost her life at the elena, who lost her life at the hands of jordan mcsweeney, and he was jailed yesterday , 38 he was jailed yesterday, 38 years, thank goodness . i mean, i years, thank goodness. i mean, i rarely say , but in this instance rarely say, but in this instance i really do hope they just throw away the key and about him, i mean it seems like the most brutal , sexually motivated brutal, sexually motivated crime. i mean, truly, truly horrific , but it's almost as if horrific, but it's almost as if a crime bad enough the details around the actual process of convicting what's going on here just seem to really almost make it worse. so the fact is he he had been in prison he'd just

been released. i think it was nine days earlier. been released. i think it was nine days earlier . and i'm not nine days earlier. and i'm not completely sure whether there was a mistake in releasing him . was a mistake in releasing him. new information had come to light and actually been light and he'd actually been recalled prison two days recalled to prison two days before convicted this before he convicted this horrific attack on sara alaina. so he shouldn't have been free. he should not been walking the streets at the time he committed this attack. so that's the first thing that i think is really appalling. clearly, something went very very badly wrong there and there needs to proper and there needs to be proper investigation why was investigation into why was allowed but then allowed to happen. but then second thing really shocks second thing that really shocks me this case is with actual sentencing of him and the actual court process , he he refused court process, he he refused appearin court process, he he refused appear in court. now, i've read another case earlier this year and it was again a really horrible story of a child that had been killed and the mother refuse to appear in court and. she think this shouldn't be allowed. if people have committed these horrendous crimes, they have to be have to

appearin crimes, they have to be have to appear in court and face up to what they've done. so the defending prosecutor told the court , max, we need new cctv court, max, we need new cctv footage would be played at the sentencing and he did not want to relive the incident. now that really turns my stomach because i remember lena and her family, they didn't have choice of saying, we don't want relive the incident. he did this he should have to face up to responsibility take responsible for the horrific crime he committed and what do you think, david, in imagine being the parents in that courtroom and knowing they are sitting there and he has the luxury of sitting in a prison and not having to. i agree with every single word that just said, but think that just said, but i think there's something else , which is there's something else, which is this background. there's this man's background. there's been another statistic this week which we all note that apparently most children are not brought up by two parents. most children apparently we are now point at which i may be wrong,

but where were the tipping point? in other words , in which point? in other words, in which marriage, the conventional view of the family becomes actually minority? and if you of no what i'm saying every , single person, i'm saying every, single person, parent family leads to consequences like this . but if consequences like this. but if you read this man's brought up by crackhead mother his first memory is of his father, whom he hardly saw trying to murder his mother . the bath. hardly saw trying to murder his mother. the bath. yeah. this is somebody who was completely outside all the ordinary process is of socialisation , of the is of socialisation, of the development, of moral values, of everything this man has ever known is violence is getting his way by violence and presumably with a history of profound sexual frustration. here is beautiful, attractive woman who's got instant. you get the feeling she's got everything. i do. i have a damaged individual. no and i am not trying to extend

it. i'm sure i mean, absolutely. the opposite. i mean, i would have liked to see him in the dock between two very burly policemen would have made absolutely sure abouti watched that video and b that you respected the judge when the sentence was administered. the trouble is our legal system is now become suffused with touchy feely listening the language that he used. he wish to. it's like making he didn't wish to relive the criminals of learn this bogus language and again he's been in jail i think massive failure of imprisonment too to have any impact on the behaviour of most prisoners . behaviour of most prisoners. most prisoners do go on to real friend. yeah. in other words , friend. yeah. in other words, the only possible use of jail is to keep people, as it were . as to keep people, as it were. as you said, throw away the keys keep them away from the rest of society, as long as . but that keep them away from the rest of society, as long as. but that is monstrously expensive. and there's an entire of touch feely

who we all know roundtree trusts and whatever , working in the and whatever, working in the opposite direction . so is a yet opposite direction. so is a yet another area where everything confused. we are not clear about values. we're trying to inculcate the notions of personal freedom are offered to people who not only can't take advantage of it, but directly abuseitis advantage of it, but directly abuse it is a testimony, frankly , the mess we've got ourselves in area after area much a failed system in terms of this murderer he was seriously neglected as a young child, deprived of love of either parents. he didn't come into the social services care . into the social services care. he was 16 years old, moved into care. awful, awful, awful. back story . but just to be clear, story. but just to be clear, we're making any sort of we're not making any sort of excuses and we our hearts go out to the family of azhar, our elaina, because is elaina, because it is a terrible, terrible, tragic events. okay peter hitchens never , never known to never, never known to disappoint, but through writing a comment piece , he has never a comment piece, he has never learned to look on. bright side, i think, is what you should.

yes, mr. gloom. but there's something about the current culture right at the moment. and you touched upon a little bit there, really, david, richard, peter britain peter says, that britain is slowly into a version, slowly turning into a version, the mad old east germany with equality and diversity , the new equality and diversity, the new marxism worse is happening marxism even worse is happening under the tories. what do you make of well, i actually make of it? well, i actually think there's an awful lot of truth in he says and in truth in what he says and in more ways one as well. more ways than one as well. i mean reaching mainly for mean he's reaching mainly for the amounts of the kind of amounts of propaganda indoctrinate propaganda and indoctrinate we're mean, we'd call we're getting. i mean, we'd call it clearly that was a it woke clearly that was a thought that was in germany thought that was in east germany . but i think i think another thing is the kind of the fact that nothing works in this country anymore you try get anywhere a try and you try anywhere on a try and you try and appointment with the and get an appointment with the doctor. of bitter doctor. i mean, of your bitter experience with morning experience with this morning talking already today, you talking about already today, you know, you just feel like sadly that we are living in a bit of a dysfunctional society. you want try and do anything poster letter is not to happen. letter is not going to happen. go somewhere not going to happen. just everything to be. it only public . what is

it is only the public. what is striking is how, for example, let's cast your mind back to covid remember we were told we must because it sort of is a really useful test case and. it's responsible for what much of what's gone wrong right at the beginning of there was a threat posed. there's going to be a food shortage. people then p0p be a food shortage. people then pop in minor universities holding distinguished titles in very universities, saying we've got to have food rationing. can imagine if we'd had food rationing we have all stopped and instead the supermarkets with a you hesitate over bags of sugar and toilet rolls . i've no sugar and toilet rolls. i've no idea why people buy bags , food, idea why people buy bags, food, and especially why they buy them together. but that's what unthinkable. but let's let's now be really serious. and i think that the real resemblance east germany or to the soviet union is we become a society based lies in which we are sold and peddled public lies. the biggest lie at the moment is the decision which is being taken by

the monetary policy committee of the monetary policy committee of the bank of england today about the bank of england today about the rising interest rates. the bank lies and says that quantitative easing was not for inflation the money supply was at times virtually doubled. yeah we have got debts on the same as the second world war and thanks to furlough it was pushed straight into people's pockets when they couldn't spend it on it . so number one, line it. so line number one, line number two, the national health service , the best in the world. service, the best in the world. it is good at one which it is good at one thing, which is everybody equally badly in terms of every other outcome, every disease every chronic disease . we cause staggeringly disease. we cause staggeringly badly in terms of our european competitors . right. we just lie competitors. right. we just lie after lie after lie, you know what? and i come on this show and since i started this show just a few weeks ago, every day, think we can pick up great britain today and there's nothing i try every day to find out how are. many things,

out how things are. many things, right. i'm struggling on right. and i'm struggling on tell me . well, think actually tell me. well, i think actually there are huge numbers, things i think are science is think that are science is wonderful. the i think the vast edges of our industry which we forget , know the quality of our forget, know the quality of our aerospace , of our bio technical aerospace, of our bio technical industry , the calibre of the industry, the calibre of the performing arts is wonderful. the problem , david, a lot of the the problem, david, a lot of the things we're just kind of not allowed to celebrate because particularly the scientific breakthroughs and i agree, they have even have been some phenomenal even just with nuclear just this week with nuclear fission breakthroughs . it fission and breakthroughs. it was in america. i gently say thatis was in america. i gently say that is an america . oh, no, no, that is an america. oh, no, no, you're knocking. because you know what everybody said? the american breakthrough is one that will take an immense amount of time actually to translate into real power. we are ahead in nuclear fusion , but we've been nuclear fusion, but we've been trying it since the 1950s. it's not a point. it's not easy. it's not a point. it's not easy. it's not easy. and the point i wanted to make is that sometimes we're not to celebrate these things because they become associated

with the point. with white men. and the point. hitchens stop media article is that we've got 10,000 people in this country who are all employed specifically , diversity employed specifically, diversity and inclusion is most growth. and that's why it's doing absolutely nothing apart from pointing the yeah, we've got to we've got to stop talking again. right. time for another quick break. we're going to have cameron is going to be in little viewing studio in our little cinema, all that we've got live reaction on the and meghan netflix drama that's after morning's news. good morning it's 1132 i'm rhiannon morning's news. good morning it's1132 i'm rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom tens of thousands nurses across parts of the uk are taking part in the biggest strike in nhs history. picket lines have been set up in england, wales and northern ireland and the first of 212 hour strikes over. staff will

continue to provide some urgent care , routine surgery and other care, routine surgery and other planned treatment will be disrupted . members of the royal disrupted. members of the royal college of nursing are asking for a 19% pay rise. a demands government says is unaffordable . well, in the last few minutes , the gmb union's has announced its members have rejected latest pay its members have rejected latest pay offer . well, authorities are pay offer. well, authorities are continuing their search for four migrants believed to be missing after a boat partially deflated it in the english channel. for others died when a boat with 47 on board capsized off the coast yesterday morning . british yesterday morning. british authorities and lifeboat services, as well as the french navy , were all involved in the navy, were all involved in the rescue ground. baggage handlers heathrow airport have announced strikes over christmas will, be going ahead, causing disruption for passengers during the festive period. more than 400 staff members at the west london

airport begin a 72 hour walkout from tomorrow morning . it's from tomorrow morning. it's after they rejected the latest pay after they rejected the latest pay offer from their menzies having called for a 13% pay rise. a further 72 hour strike at terminals two, three and four will follow running from the 29th december to the morning of new year's . meghan markle has new year's. meghan markle has revealed how thought about taking her own life in the final episodes of the couples docu series released on netflix. prince harry blames the media for his wife's and speaks about the breakdown of his relationship with his brother, prince william. the palace hasn't yet commented on the series and it's understood three time wimbledon champion boris becker has been freed from jail today and will be deported from the uk . the 55 year old german the uk. the 55 year old german tennis star served just months of a two and a half year sentence for bankruptcy offences. he was convicted in april of hiding two and a half million pounds worth of and

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very dramatic it. now this is bev turner today on gb news. okay i've got to buy into to be serious, this netflix series stop laughing. david starkey . stop laughing. david starkey. the sussexes gave their first three episodes last week and they've got then of a three out today. this netflix documentary , it's all unravelling, isn't it? i mean the all the websites are kind of filleting little snippets from the series to tell us what they're saying and we've all got to take it as we find it. so let's meet cameron walker. he knows a lot than i do, as you can tell. cameron how is it going? is it gripping? is it revelatory? is it going to bnng it revelatory? is it going to bring down the royal family . bev bring down the royal family. bev it's certainly two of those things. i'm not sure the third one you mentions, but it is, let's be frank, a lot more explosive than the first three episodes we saw last week. now

i'm joined by entertainment correspondent rebecca me in gb news royal reaction viewing this very suave cinema. all we've got going on here . rebecca, thank going on here. rebecca, thank you for joining going on here. rebecca, thank you forjoining me, going on here. rebecca, thank you for joining me, first of all. what's your overall impression having now seen all of the episodes ? i have actually of the episodes? i have actually changed my opinion of meghan and i did actually last week when i saw the second or third episode and what i'm seeing is that initially i'm seeing the meghan that we first fell in love with i think is british people we first like the fact that she was something fresh and wanted to make very honest make change. she's very honest and the rules and she likes to break the rules and she likes to break the rules and protocol. and i think and break protocol. and i think in this latest two of the documentary, we're seeing a meghan that actually is quite empowered a quite strong and i don't find that rose wine monet in this part which is what was annoying me before. so i mean you look at the yougov poll, harry meghan is still very harry and meghan is still very much towards of that much towards the bottom of that in of popularity of the in terms of popularity of the royal family. i believe you said yourself in the past there yourself in the past that there was where like quite was a period where like quite lot i think perhaps

lot of people, i think perhaps in country they were more in this country they were more in this country they were more in of other members of the royal family due to what harry and meghan i.e. you meghan were doing, i.e. you know, blindsiding queen as know, blindsiding the queen as some of course, some people process. of course, harry has denied that this documentary. what you think's changed? i think the british pubuc changed? i think the british public were very hurt by what was happening and that oprah interview didn't really sit very well with brits. i think we we're quite offended that it felt like they just upped and laugh blindsided the queen which they've denied but that's what we told what we were we were being told what we were interpreting never interpreting as. and we never really the emotional toll really to see the emotional toll . but i what's really . but i think what's really intense documentaries, we know a lot of what's happened, but the commentary misogyny commentary around the misogyny and against meghan, and the racism against meghan, that's really opened my eyes a little bit more. think little bit more. and i think i have been more aware and of have been more aware and all of us be aware about the sort us be more aware about the sort of repeller effects of all of this denying that this with those denying that there were very critical headunes there were very critical headlines both harry. and headlines of both harry. and meghan and meghan actually talks about a very serious situation, which to her and harry does as well . and it's about meghan's

well. and it's about meghan's miscarriage very soon after they moved into their in california. so let's a look at what prince harry says about that. i believe my wife suffered a miscarriage because of what the mail that i watched, the thing . now do we watched, the thing. now do we absolutely know that the miscarriage was caused by that? of course we don't. but bearing in mind the that caused the lack sleep and the timing of the timing of the pregnancy. how many weeks since she i can say from what i saw that miscarriage was created by what they were trying to do to her with a very serious allegation there. the mail has not responded to that particular claim yet. rebecca, very . your thoughts on that? very. your thoughts on that? i think it's tragic to see what she went. and you can see the anger that want to blame someone. i think the problem here, this whole documentary is that meghan harry have a lot of angen dont that meghan harry have a lot of anger, don't know where anger, but they don't know where to is it the press? is it to point. is it the press? is it

the trolls? is it the institution of the royals? is their personal relationships with, their family? i think that's here. that's the problem here. rebecca, you very much. rebecca, thank you very much. well palace well buckingham palace and kensington not kensington palace have not responded of the claims responded to any of the claims made in this netflix documentary. i'm world documentary. i'm in this world reaction bringing you reaction room day bringing you the analysis . stay the latest analysis. so stay tuned. thank you, cameron. tuned. okay thank you, cameron. i can tell you, as somebody that worked with pregnant women, i run antenatal classes for ten years. a book called the years. i wrote a book called the happy birth book. we never know causes miscarriages. and i think that deeply dubious that is deeply dubious accusation to make a newspaper is frankly ludicrous to suggest that that could be the reason. anyway i'll be watching it over the weekend , will you? now, for the weekend, will you? now, for people course died yesterday. tragic actually, after a migrant boat capsized in the english channel. it being described as the worst tragedy , the strait the worst tragedy, the strait for over a year. it definitely that. let's go to our homeland security editor weiss for an update from dover. good morning . mark, what is the latest now? i believe there's some audio has been released of an emergency

message that was sent from the boat. message that was sent from the boat . well, we know that the boat. well, we know that the boat. well, we know that the boat did indeed call up the rescue services . coast guard hq rescue services. coast guard hq to tell them about the unfolding tragedy they were having to deal with and to call for rescue help to arrive on about eight miles off the coast. that did , of off the coast. that did, of course, happen with both border force lifeboats. the royal navy french counterparts all descend on the scene, but not before 31 of those who were on board managed to get on board. locals scallop fishing boat, which in the area, luckily . and was able the area, luckily. and was able to pull the majority of that were in the water onto that boat or the consequences that we talking about today could have been far worse. the rest were picked up by the rescue services. and we know, of course that four people lost their

lives . we understand that at lives. we understand that at least another four people are in the channel missing. no hope, of course, of finding them alive , course, of finding them alive, being in the freezing waters . being in the freezing waters. the english channel so long. but that search operation is continuing to low key search operation because tides and current will have pulled anybody that was in that area well out of that initial search area by. the marine accident branch has said that it is now carrying out a preliminary investigation with a preliminary investigation with a view to gathering some initial evidence before perhaps launching a full investigation . launching a full investigation. once the facts become known . once the facts become known. okay. thank you, mark mark white there down in dover . can i get there down in dover. can i get your thoughts ? reflect on this a your thoughts? reflect on this a little bit. my panel, your thoughts? reflect on this a little bit. my panel , john little bit. my panel, john williams and david starkey are still here. john, to some extent, it's a miracle hasn't happened sooner. this year given that 45,000

that we've got 45,000 people who've journey in this who've made this journey in this way. now, absolutely. it's tragic . it's not all tragic. it's not at all surprising. you're absolutely right. shocking thing is right. the shocking thing is that not happening more that this is not happening more often. we're heading often. obviously, we're heading into turning. into winter. weather's turning. i just terrible. i mean, this is just terrible. you know, one thing that really kind of gets me that i think , i kind of gets me that i think, i think is quite an important point to make, is that lots of people, including labour party, labour politicians, up labour politicians, standing up in yvette in parliament yesterday. yvette cooper , blaming smugglers cooper, blaming people smugglers for this and obviously the people smugglers are taking a profit from this trade in potentially people dying and. that's horrific and they must be stopped. i mean, they absolutely must be stopped from carrying out this trade trade in human life. but i actually think there's another layer , people there's another layer, people who i would blame here as well, and that's the lawyers and the campaign signals who actually send message to migrants that send a message to migrants that if you can do it, if you can get over the channel we will do everything we can to keep you here you and to make sure here to let you and to make sure that you have a reasonable life

. and i actually think that is just bad. i think they have blood , the hands. and i know blood, the hands. and i know that's a really, really strong thing to say, but hope that thing to say, but i hope that you that that's the case. you feel that that's the case. you every they send you know, every time they send out message, they encourage out that message, they encourage another think it's another person to think it's worth get in a worth taking risk to get in a boat and to across the boat and to come across the channelin boat and to come across the channel in this way. need channel in this way. so we need to stop people smugglers. to stop the people smugglers. but i also think we need to stop the and campaigners the lawyers and the campaigners who message out who are sending this message out to desperate people to vulnerable, desperate people in cases. david, thanks . in some cases. david, thanks. what do you think? i think jo has put her finger on one absolutely fundamental problem . absolutely fundamental problem. you see, i think it actually goes we were talking with with our when we had our peter hitchens discussion about things not working . we were an island . not working. we were an island. we were a society that prided itself on being free and on having minimum rules. itself on being free and on having minimum rules . we don't having minimum rules. we don't have to carry identity cards . we have to carry identity cards. we have to carry identity cards. we have a non—contributory welfare system. now as a result, largely

of what the blair government did, the enormous floods of immigrants on the one hand and the extraordinary increased diversity now that is not necessarily a bad , but it necessarily a bad, but it certainly isn't necessarily a good thing either. it means that the relatively secure may be stodgy , homogenous society that stodgy, homogenous society that didn't need identity cards , that didn't need identity cards, that could rely on fact that people did work . they could work could rely on fact that people did work. they could work in order , draw benefits . our world order, draw benefits. our world isn't like that anymore, but we haven't changed the rules. i mean, britain is , not simply the mean, britain is, not simply the lawyers that make britain a target. the fact that you immediately get welfare , the immediately get welfare, the fact and look at look at the way that, for example immigrants from from albania are dealt with in france and germany i think is there's a 100% refusal of their claims for asylum and they all

sent but we had hell was we are as ever falling between stools between the old homogenous trust britain it's all really to do with gentlemen agreement and whatever and this extraordinarily diverse turbulent society with different values. many without values. and but we've to change the rules . but we've to change the rules. maybe i suppose your point might be that that happened quickly. we haven't caught up with ourselves. what's up with . we ourselves. what's up with. we haven't caught up with ourselves and you see i think if you i'm shocked many ways hearing shocked in many ways hearing myself talk i a passionate libertarian i was profoundly proud of the fact that we didn't need identity cards that you didn't need to define yourself by saying the state recognise is me i am was a free born englishman. i have the right i think those days are over. i think those days are over. i think that makes my heart think , david. but i we have to

acknowledge the truth. i mean i mean one of the things i tried to be doing on this channel is to be doing on this channel is to say, let us try and truth. we were talking before about lies . were talking before about lies. and if we do not face the truths about ourselves , we'll never about ourselves, we'll never actually be able to do anything. there is an argument that there are so people now that we need to be organised better. that's kind of. but i do not want to be beholden to this. i because beholden to this. i go because it no longer be a piece of it will no longer be a piece of paperin it will no longer be a piece of paper in pocket. your paper in your pocket. your digital will tied this, digital id. will tied to this, and we'll be able to go nowhere without that. no, agree. and without that. no, i agree. and i it's to face truth and it's important to face truth and is changing. we're is changing. certainly we're getting crossing getting far more people crossing the channel in boats. i mean, ten ago, this was complete ten years ago, this was complete not ago, three not even ten years ago, three years was unheard was years ago was unheard of was unheard of. massive change. but david, think i'm with my david, i don't think i'm with my heart sinks at the prospect identity think we face identity cards. i think we face the but we also have choices . so the but we also have choices. so the but we also have choices. so the will inevitably . so the choice will inevitably. so if you will let me just tell you what i think the choice rishi sunak this week announced that

he's employ a thousand he's going to employ a thousand people work processing people more to work processing these applications . i think you these applications. i think you need one person. you need one person to make a law which. says if you come from albania , you do if you come from albania, you do not an automatic right to not have an automatic right to asylum in this country, whereas instead begin to introduce bureaucratic processes, employ more , more money, more more people, more money, more paperwork , opportunities for paperwork, opportunities for lawyers to get fingers on what's going on. one person make the trouble is your proposed law flies in the face of the convention on refugees . it flies convention on refugees. it flies in the face of systematic judgements from you. so, david, sweden's able to say if you're from albania, you have a right to asylum in sweden is able to say if you don't a right to asylum if you're from albania you do not have an automatic to asylum. why can sweden do it? but we can't and will you not telling us little stories about lawyers because they are mean? we have we have as always, we have plated human rights laws as we tend to see. we were talking

about propaganda, what with pete hitchens and can't help but feel that they could done something like have though like say they could have though if there they have if the will was there they have there the will of the there isn't the will of the commons. the commons in received a bill that would have more or less yesterday and so we less that yesterday and so we don't know if the lack of will david is so that we are all on an it system. what if the lack of so people like you of will is so people like you with your incredible intellect and your history, turn around and your of history, turn around and your of history, turn around and has come that and say the time has come that we a digital id system to we need a digital id system to stop these people coming over in boats, because then all going stop these people coming over in bo sufferecause then all going stop these people coming over in bo sufferecause th of all going stop these people coming over in bo sufferecause th of that. .l going stop these people coming over in bo sufferecause th of that. i'mying to suffer because of that. i'm afraid. i'm afraid that is that is the reward of a diver society. i'm sorry but you cannot you cannot . the society cannot you cannot. the society that's based trust the society based on the fact we are all bafic based on the fact we are all basic to the same and have the same values when we don't have the same values, when we have when we have porous and i'm sorry , you need we are one half sorry, you need we are one half of the time we spend our time saying, oh, isn't it wonderful

when the new world, the boring world of the 1950s, you know, all vanilla flavoured and pineapple chunks it marvellous it's and. then we suddenly it's gone and. then we suddenly realise what we need to control the new world and we're not willing do it. so we're perpetuating . we are not welcome perpetuating. we are not welcome fully because. we are. okay, well then you want to embrace chaos. i'm sorry. i think you were optional. it says binary . were optional. it says binary. you're making out. i don't think the choices are i think chaos or id , i think slavery and being id, i think slavery and being a slave to our digital i.d. system, which may well be pushed through under the auspices of an immigration crisis will affect all us in that we can all of us in ways that we can imagine. it will, like it will help to stop the vast levels welfare fraud we have enormous levels of welfare fraud. exactly all the reasons. i think it will. i think it will. think those people will always. i think i always know . sorry. know think i always know. sorry. know if that is not true. one of the reasons why countries like france are so unattractive to immigrants is precisely because the rigour of the laws of

identity . what do you want in identity. what do you want in just one second on sentences? we all have go through. i'm in the middle of buying something else at the moment. antique books at the moment. the antique books you to go through to prove you have to go through to prove you're not money launderer. you're not a money launderer. we're all having to do this and i think we've got to recognise that something has changed. we have not caught up with it and we are willing one sort of society and we have the laws and tradition of another sort of society . and if we want to, society. and if we want to, i want this vision of a to be the evidence, the evidence on the evidence, the evidence on the evidence is absolute fully on my side. you were talking the chaos everywhere you . look, one of the everywhere you. look, one of the reasons is we refuse recognise the extent of that's happened . the extent of that's happened. i've got to bring up poll results. we were asking on today's show whether you were in support of the nurses striking all over% of you do not support the strike . richard has said all

the strike. richard has said all the strike. richard has said all the strikes are simply jumping on the opportunity to demand a pay on the opportunity to demand a pay at a time of peak inflation . in a few months time, inflation positive 5. the window of opportunity will have gone. i'm not sure inflation will be that. you. tony williams. that. thank you. tony williams. thank i'd barely thank david starkey. i'd barely stop i don't think stop for a breath. i don't think any us able to get a any of us did. we able to get a word in edgewise? makis, you made very easy today, made my job very easy today, right? i'll be back monday. right? i'll be back on monday. i hope have a lovely weekend. hope you have a lovely weekend. whatever you're doing. running around, getting shopping for christmas started christmas. i've not even started yet . but do stay safe out there yet. but do stay safe out there in the ice mark longhurst is next on bev turner i'll see you monday morning . hello this is monday morning. hello this is shuttleworth with your latest weather from the met office now the rest of the week will remain very cold with a continued of severe frost by the weekend there are signs of change. but three thursday and friday will just to see all weather the coming in from the northwest as opposed to the north and east that we've seen over the past few days now through the rest of thursday see snow showers pushing in on that northerly

breeze across northern areas of scotland as well as north eastern of england and parts of northern ireland. so some snow showers continue here away from the east coastal areas. it will be a clear and sunny day . those be a clear and sunny day. those temperatures still very cold for the time of year, but not too bad in any south sunshine . the bad in any south sunshine. the southwest of england , overnight, southwest of england, overnight, temperatures will once again could the coldest night of the yeah could the coldest night of the year. so far. we're really down as as —13 in the south and perhaps as low as —15 across northern parts of scotland . northern parts of scotland. there'll be some mr. full and folk around in the south—east so some freezing fog here, even and across the north we'll start to see the next band of snow push into the western isles and parts of the highlands. there's another warning in force for snow and ice through lot of snow and ice through a lot of friday here, we could see accumulations too low and high levels . elsewhere, though on levels. elsewhere, though on friday, it's going to be another bright and, sunny day. a few

showers now coming in to south western parts of wales and southwestern england, though it will be another very cold day , will be another very cold day, especially across south eastern of england and through friday night, another cold night, cold day in the southeast where we won't see as much of that mist or fog developing a little bit more cloud across north western areas, keeping temperatures up a little bit, but not until the weekend when we really start to see those temperatures climbing up again back towards average . up again back towards average. i'll see you later.

hello and welcome to gb news live with me, mark longhurst. i'm coming up this thursday. it's interest rate day. so in a