playoff. part of the panthers hero among us program. leonard himself was drafted into the u.s. army and deployed to the philippines during the war as a member of the criminal investigation division. his panthers won that game and they're looking to go 3-up on the lightning tonight. god bless leonard. coming up tomorrow on "special report," we're going to continue our toxic town series with bret baier taking a look at the effort to clean up the contaminated sites across missouri. remember, if you can't catch us live, be sure to set your dvr to 6:00 p.m. eastern, that's 3:00 p.m. out on the west coast. thanks for watching "special report," i'm gillian turner in washington. "the ingraham angle" is next. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> laura: all right. good evening, everyone. i'm laura ingraham.

this is "the ingraham angle." thank you, as always, for joining us. you're looking live at george washington university in d.c. where the deadline for protesters to leave campus has just passed. you can see they appear to have no intention of moving. now, over to new york, where a massive pro-israel rally has just started, it's just gotten underway. we will bring you more on the protest, on the campuses, the protests that are growing later on in the show. plus, my angle on how biden is really the one on trial, given all the news today. that's in moments. but, first, trump had a bombshell legal day from his new york trial to supreme court oral arguments in the presidential immunity case. we're going to get to all of it. so stay with us here. but, first, we start in new york where david pecker testified for the third day. now, what's becoming less clear as the trial wears on is what is the crime?

>> today was breathtaking, this room, you saw what went on. it was breath-taking. and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened. this is a case that should have never been filed. >> laura: joining me now is todd piro, co-anchor of "fox & friends first." todd, i know you were inside the courtroom today. you're witnessing it. what's the biggest take away. >> todd: i can't answer your question, laura, on what the crime is i mean, we have read legal scholars say they can't figure out the crime. but to actually be in the courtroom and watch hour upon hour of testimony, i still don't have an answer. to me, we have had now almost nine years of trump bad and in court today i had about 8 more hours of trump bad. i still don't know what the crime is. >> laura: when you watch the jury in the courtroom, are they rivetted? are their eyes or their attention, does it seem to

wander? i'm so jealous that you got to be in that courtroom. just give us a sense, a bird's eye view. >> todd: i was in the overflow room. i wasn't where the jury is i made a number of key points writing back to the producers here at fox, basically making the point i was getting bored during the testimony of the prosecution asking pecker a bunch of questions. i understand you need to establish a foundation. that's how law works. but, it was painstaking going minute detail of minute detail of every interaction that david pecker had with every single member of trump's orbit. contrast that with the last 45 minutes, laura, of the day which was cross-examination, trump's attorney asked snappy questions. and i understand that is a function of cross-examination. but, if i'm in the jury, and i was lulled to sleep, i may hold that against the prosecution for, quite frankly, wasting my time to an extent with a very long and boring day whereas trump's attorney went in there,

hit some key points and, laura, if i could, the number one key point that i took away from the entire day was this line of questioning. donald trump's attorney got david pecker to admit that throughout the course of his long career at ami, the national inquirer, he caught and killed stories for politicians all the time. and, based upon the new york d.a.'s definition that there's no statute of limitation on anything involving campaign -- what they call campaign violation, i guess the new york d.a., laura, is going to have to go after every single politician that david pecker caught and killed a story of. >> laura: yeah, as we said, todd, where's the crime? thanks so much. >> todd: no idea. >> laura: another embarrassing day in court for alvin bragg as the manhattan d.a., again fails to prove a state business fraud statute actually somehow can involve a federal campaign law violation.

and, whether this doesn't get traction, this theory, the media reverts to blabbing about anything but the state law at issue. >> a really damning scheme in which the national inquirer was in cahoots with trump. >> what other conversations did david pecker have with donald trump that bear on his knowledge and intent? >> that's catch and kill, except not by a publisher, by donald trump himself. >> we are looking at someone who clearly doesn't follow the results of the election and would be an autocrat if he could get away with it. >> laura: joining me now is david schoen, former trump impeachment attorney and sol wisenberg, former deputy independent counsel. sol, did you get the sense that they're just kind of almost giving up over at the law practice of never trump llc? today really kind of took the cake for me. >> they never give up, laura. and they never will give up, no matter how many times they're slapped down.

there was nothing in today's testimony that changed the underlying legal problems that i think bragg is going to have or that changes the key facts in the case. and the key -- the key problem is, it's not illegal as you pointed out. it's not illegal to pay somebody money to catch and kill a story. it's not illegal to reimburse a publisher who pays that money. to convict trump under the latest esoteric theory you have to show that he conspired to promote his own election by unlawful means. but, as we have pointed out, it is not apparently the theory is the unlawful means was that they didn't report this or they were ptrying to stop from reporting this as a federal campaign expenditure. as we know, that actually is not the federal campaign expenditure law. so, i don't see any movement by them at all here.

it's a very troubling case, even if they get a conviction, i think it stands a chance of being reversed on appeal. >> laura: yeah. david, i have to say i'm more stunned than ever that this case got to this point. and i think we're seeing a lot of the media types, some lawyers, some not, try to whip up their audience despite what is happening in the courtroom with these vague narratives and offer, i think, false hopes. watch this. >> david pecker, boy, he really has laid this out how this works. this catch and kill form of journalism. how damning has this been to donald trump? >> on the scale of 1 to 10 i would say an 8, pretty damning. >> laura: ha ha, that's it, david. an 8. damning on what issue? >> well, laura, you hit the nail on the head. the media doesn't ph focus on wt

if any detail. details. how could it get that far judge merchan no. normal judge would allow this case to go forward just as the d.a.'s office didn't think go forward when mark palm rants presented it. do rereally believe for a candidate to want to either pay extortion money or hide some fact that may be unprevent from the public that that's really election interference. the problem is we don't know what they claim the charge is we don't necessarily even get to the misdemeanor because that requires an intent to defraud with the way the thing was booked. you can be sure president trump didn't direct how this was to be booked. but, if you got to that, they then have to prove that he did that with the intent to commit some other crime. without the grand jury ever charging what that other crime is, it's impossible to defend. let's say through this witness it's to cover up some salacious fact to help himself in the election. but another witness said it's

really a campaign finance violation. another one says no, it's really a tax violation. a defendant doesn't have to hit a moving target all the time. i think today's testimony perfectly highlights what many of the problems are with this case. and, by the way, would it be to advance a campaign if someone plagiarized and then covered that up or if somebody ruined a server that might have had embarrassing details on it and emails on it to promote a candidacy? would those be illegal? were they ever charged against any other candidate? >> laura: no, they keep mentioning a conspiracy and a scheme, that's never charged, sol, as we talked about before. keep invoking the conspiracy, he wasn't charged with conspiracy. and then, today, you get the sense from david axelrod, sol, obviously, a big democrat guru involved in so many campaigns, that this is becoming, perhaps, a political problem for the president. watch this. we'll have it in just a second.

is he talking basically about whether or not a hung jury will help biden or not. and, in fact -- i think we have it now. >> there is some mystery as to what happens the at the end of s process if he is a convicted felon that's going to have material impact on him moving forward. if he should have a hung jury, which could happen, it could have the reverse effect and it could be the beginning of his way out of this legal morass that he is in because he will use it to taint all the other cases. >> laura: now, sol, trump a is being charged in the press tainting other cases if he succeeds in this jury poll but with one juror saying no, he is not guilty of any of this. really? >> that's a new crime, too, tanking other cases just because you are acquitted or get a hung jury. i think axelrod makes a really good point. you know, there are many

examples of this. i don't know if you remember, texas u.s. senator kay bailey hutchinson got indicted when she was up for re-election byrony earl notorious district attorney in travis county. and she destroyed him. the case didn't even goat trial. and she just kicked the hell out of her opponents after that. it can certainly is that effect a hung jury can. particularly when you combine that what it looks like the supreme court is going to do. they are not going to give trump total immunity, but the case is going to be sent back -- so, i just -- >> laura: you know. >> there are going to be consequences here. >> laura: yeah, david, do you think they regret this case going forward first? i'm not counting the jean carroll case. but this case really being their first big bite at the criminal apple here? >> i think on some level they do

and they should. i think they also are glad about the case because it keeps president trump off the campaign trail. i think this judge's order requiring him to be in the courtroom every day is absolutely absurd. there is a statute in new york 260.20 that has the defendant at trial during a criminal trial. but every case construing that it's the defendant's right. rises from the defendant's state and federal right of confrontation. i will tell you the other thing i want to comment very quickly about is. i think that the sand ball motion that arose earlier in this case. that is a motion by the prosecution to introduce evidence of prior bad acts alleged against president trump is going to be very important. the weinstein decision today throwing out that conviction is very important. because you can see now they have got no case. they will try to piggyback and try to prove he is guilty here by bringing in other alleged prior bad acts. that's exactly what the decision is intending to prevent. >> laura: david, i would like to say great minds think alike.

i don't see my legal mind as great as your or sol. exactly what i was thinking about on the weinstein case. great to see both of you. thank you so much. the power of all future presidents depends on what happens in trump's immunity case. we're on it, next. ♪

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♪ >> laura: all right, they didn't have any time to listen to the supreme court's oral arguments in the presidential immunity case today. don't worry. we're going to tell you all you need to know. now, the question before the court was whether and if to what extent does a former enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts? during time in office. critical justices today very concerned about what will happen to the presidency if no immunity is given for actions taken by the president as part of his official duties. >> it's a serious constitutional question whether a statute can be applied to the president's official acts. >> are you saying that there is no immunity, presidential immunity even for official acts? >> what is before us, of course, does involve this particular case, which is immensely important. whatever we decide is going to apply to all future presidents. >> justice alito, the point i

wanted to make about this case does go to the general proposition. >> i understand that, mr. dreeben, as i said, this case will have effects that go far beyond this particular prosecution. >> laura: well, seeing its fantasy go up in flames of trump on trial in d.c. before the election and that federal court case given how things went today at the supreme court already slim likelihood that donald trump will face a criminal trial brought by special counsel jack smith before the election appeared to dwindle further thursday in the face of withering scrutiny from the supreme court's conservative majority. and the mood was no better by the way over at vioxx where they will need to start offering company wide therapy pets. disaster for the special counsel jack smith. at least five of the court's republicans seemed eager at the very least to trump delay

federal criminal trial adding that the justice who seemed to hedge the most, john roberts, also seemed to think that trump enjoys at least some immunity from criminal prosecution joining us now. chris landau. chris, is there real reason for the left to be in despair tonight? >> i think it was a good day for former president trump in the supreme court, laura. but i think that's just because he's got the law and common sense on his side. i mean, this is -- the question as you just read is whether a president can be subjected to criminal liability after leaving office for official acts, right? nobody is arguing here about the president's being immune for private acts. right? so, you know, murder, speeding, whatever. the thing is, if we cross the rubicon of saying that our presidents can be criminally

charged for their official acts, we don't have a country anymore. i mean, how is a president -- how is any president from whatever party supposed to do his job if he has to worry that when the opposition party gets in, that he is going to be prosecuted that's what justices cav that you and alito both brought up repeatedly today. this was alito. >> if an incumbent who loses a very close hotly contested election knows that the president may be criminally prosecuted.

>> laura: he went on to stay dreeben, special counsel's representative at the court that no the opposite is the effect. this will strengthen the democratic process, chris. >> you know, laura, i feel like this is watching a cartoon with wiley coyotesy. they keep thinking they are going to blow up the road runner, right? a lot of the left has been rubbing their hands in glee. finally got president trump on criminal trial. i think the supreme court takes very seriously its institutional obligations to make sure we protect the separation of that our constitution. there job. you can talk about a slippery slope. well this case doesn't look so bad. if you allow will negative consequences down the line. the lawfare that we have seen unleash against president trump this year shows that we don't

have to hypothesize about a slippery slope. this wolf isn't coming in sheep's clothing, laura. this wolf is coming as a wolf. >> laura: i want to play the floment justice ketanji brown jackson, watch. >> i'm trying to understand what the disincentive is from turning the oval office into, you know, the seat of criminal activity in this country. once we say no criminal liability, mr. president, can you do whatever you want, i'm worried that we would have a worse problem than the problem of the president feeling constrained to follow the law while he's in office. >> i respectfully disagree with that because the regime you described is the regime we have operated under for 234 years. >> laura: that was the newest justice to the supreme court, chris, biden appointee. >> you know, laura, again. i think the point is this is so novel what we are living in right now. we have been a country for 234

years under our constitution. we have never had a president criminally prosecuted like we're seeing now. so, the question is, is this going to be the new normal or can we stop this and just say listen, if you don't like your political opponents, then your answer is not to come up with a creative legal theories to keep them tied up in court. >> laura: chris, yeah. are they going to send it back to the lower court to come up with a rule between official and private acts? real quick. >> i think they almost have to, laura, yes. i would suspect that they would announce rule of law and it would depend on the lower courts, presumably the district court to separate what is official and what is private. i mean, they threw everything into this indictment but the kitchen sink. so there's a lot to kind of segregate there. >> laura: yes. this ain't happening before the election. chris, as always, wonderful to have you on tonight. thank you. >> thanks, laura. >> the president has to have immunity. this has nothing to do with me. this has to do with a president

in the future for 100 years from now. if you don't have immunity, you are not going to do anything. you are going to become a ceremonial president. going to be doing nothing. >> laura: the reason the left doesn't care about the supreme court taking powers away from the president is because they are happy with a figure head or ceremonial president. if you wanted to know just how disastrous that would be, well, just watch what's happening right now in the biden white house. >> we took action to make sure these chips were made in america again. imagine what we could do next. four more years, pause. [chanting four more years] >> are you ready to choose freedom over democracy -- for democracy? >> laura: that's a ceremonial president. joining me now ari fleischer, former white house press secretary. this was a wild day all the way around, i think their hopes that

lawfare was going to save this election for them, have gone almost at this point down the drain? >> yeah, laura, let me dive into this immunity issue in which the democrats have appeared to setback today. we are set to live in a very polarized age right now and people say it's because donald trump broke all the norms. let me remind you i worked for a united states president back in the good old days who almost every single democrat called a war criminal. in 2007, 2008 the democrats were chomping at the bit calling bush a criminal. they would have loved to prosecuted him. they called on the barack obama administration to prosecute him and the attorney general al gone zalless. the administration did not proceed. but if we lived in the modern era i have no doubt they would have pulled the trigger and prosecute george w. bush. in 2011 authorized a drone

strike against a 16-year-old in yemen anwar al lackey and killed him. there was no judicial finding. there was no order from a court that he should be subject to the death penalty. obama did it. now, should bush and obama be subject to prosecution? and one more possible examples. donald trump wins this november, he loses the popular vote. he narrowly, narrowly wins in the electoral college. and democrats try to stop it in the electoral college. should they be prosecuted for their election interference? >> laura: can you go down the line. you can go down the line. there's a lot of people but the bush administration was really, ari, i'm flat you brought that up, because, everything black sights. all of it. criminal prosecutions every other day of indictment filed against them. but, also the other presidents as well. i want to play something, ari, from chuck schumer who today said that the supreme court is only protecting trump and

slowing his trial, scotus speeds up trials when it wants but not in this case. ari, this is a party that promised to bring back norms and respect for institutions. we have this -- the senate majority leader saying what he is saying now about the court. how is that a norm that's respected? >> how is that a norm that's respected? >> oh, i'm sorry. i thought you were playing the tape. >> laura: i was wondering he seemed a little frozen. there you are, ari. go ahead. >> yeah. no, that's -- this is why i'm making the point about precedent with other presidents and with future developments. in which there are legitimate things that presidents do. and it's not norm-breaking. what would be norm break something to say that presidents don't have immunity. now, if a president goes out on fifth avenue and shoots somebody, yeah, they should be criminally prosecuted.

but for anything that is adjacent to the office, official actions, including objection to an election that was very, very close,including that the democrats object to a future election. i don't believe that that should not be covered by immunity. and this is where i think donald trump is on high ground and it appears that the supreme court is going to carve out something along those lines. >> laura: ari, thank you so much. thank you for freezing and coming back. all right, trump may be physically in the courtroom but who is really on trial here. my angle explains, next. ♪

>> laura: biden on trial, that's the focus of tonight's angle. now, this is supposed to be just another day with trump irritated and on the defensive and, although it was day three of the

hush money trial, trump was on the move. and even when he is trapped in court for several hours a day. he still dominating the political landscape. [chanting we love trump] [chanting u.s.a.] >> laura: now, this was before another marathon day in judge merchan's courtroom. this is a nightmare scenario though for democrats to see union workers, t their people supposedly cheering trump. remember many of them are lifelong dems but they see what biden has done to our country, to our economy, and our border and, of course, our standing in the world. that's in the toilet. now, today was a very, very bad day for joe biden and all those who have been bam booze ling the american people on his behalf. as we just discussed, the special counsel will likely be disappointed by what the supreme court does in the presidential

immunity case, meaning they won't be able to rely on a trial in federal court, mucking up the fall campaign for trump. thus, while trump is facing multiple felony counts in this ridiculous hush money case, he is forced to sit in that courtroom for four or five hours, you know, a day, four or five days a week, biden and his policies, that is really what's on trial here. every household in america, every city, every town in our country -- all of it have been assaulted. all have been defrauded by this administration and his party from the economy to the border, to the culture. biden, schumer, pelosi, they have caused incalculable destruction to our country. yet, remember the headlines from january 2021? remember they were meant to reassure us, biden seeks to bring normalcy back to the white house after tumultuous four years.

normalcy? is this normalcy? >> shout palestine, can i hear this. free palestine. >> if you are a drag queen shout free palestine. >> if you are a drag queen and you know it and you really want to show it, you are a drag queen and you know it shout free palestine. >> excellent. >> laura: drag queen story hours are now going anti-israel like the one you just saw in amherst, massachusetts. now, why should any of us be surprised? after all, the drag trans identity has been supported and mainstreamed by this administration. and their highest level staffing and all the way to their actual policies such as the recent changes to title ix now stipulate that sex discrimination includes gender identity. i'm telling you don't that girls sports will never be the same again thanks, joe.

voters see the evidence and it's clear biden isn't protecting the girls, isn't protecting the women. is he protecting his far left base. at every turn, since his inauguration, biden has chosen them over the working class, including in the reckless handling of inflation that they remember initially dismissed and then later tried to spin. >> we're not anywhere near a recession right now in terms of the growth. but i think we can have what most economists call a soft landing. >> america's path to a soft landing has under pinned global growth. >> i have always thought that the soft landing was a plausible outcome. >> laura: ha. but everything he has done from his extended covid shutdowns which weren't necessary to the obscene levels of spending. some republicans help there to his radical climate agenda. it's all driven us to the brink. horrific economic news out today. the g.d.p. came in far lower

than expected at a pathetic 1.6%. that's t slowest growth in two years. but, none of this stops biden's climate fanatics. their assault on oil and gas continues. including the new epa rules out today on coal plants that will shutter them and drive up our energy costs even further. i'm telling you, these people are ruthless. they mean business. they are saboteurs of america's economy, certainly of our energy security. but, of course, they're still trying to down play it all. >> what is your reaction hot offs presses to today's first quarter g.d.p. data. >> a lot of the data there is actually not yet in hand. there could be revisions. the u.s. economy continues to perform very, very well, the fundamentals here are in line with inflation. continuing down back to where it normal levels. >> laura: i mean, this woman

needs to hit the bing bow parlor and get out, okay? does she think we can't read? inflation is up from last quarter. inflation as the angle predicted last year is not going down. let's put it this way. when wall streeters start using the term stagflation it's called hard, not soft landing, janet. this is all on biden. so, it's doubtful it will be a soft landing for the campaign. polls are trending toward trump. according to 538, trump and biden are in a dead heat nationally, tied at 41%. but, in swing states, trump is dominating. georgia, nevada, he is up 6. north carolina up 5. and arizona, he is up by 4.6. democrats thought that they could put trump on trial using prosecutors as their political hit men. that none of us would notice what's happening meanwhile in the united states itself. but the more voters live in biden's america, the more likely it is that they are going to

believe biden should be the one held accountable here. and that's the angle. joining me now -- well, we're watching george washington university, the deadline for protesters to leave campus has already passed. and one of its students joins us from the ground, next. ♪

[chanting from the river to the sea] palestine will be free] >> usc, you can't hide. we charge you with genocide. [chanting from the river to the sea palestine will be free] >> laura: more encampments popped up today, princeton, northeastern, george washington university and now leaked group chats from a pro-palestinian group shows that students at the university of chicago plan to emulate the protest action at columbia. oh, goody. and for all you soon-to-be grads at usc, you lost in person classes during your freshman year because of covid. now you are losing your in person graduation because of these protests. the university announced today it's canceling its main

commencement ceremony citing safety concerns. in cambridge harvard yard is now closed for the rest of the week. and at california state polytechnic university humble shut down its entire campus for days. as we told you last night. columbia university is going hybrid for the rest of the semester as administrators continue their negotiations with the student occupying force. this is insane. joining me now aaron mcnulty, a pre-med student at columbia. suing the school. citing the school's failure to protect jewish students and josh shapiro, a student at george washington university. erin, let's start with you. the protesters say this is just classic first amendment issue here and law enforcement authorities are the problem not them, your response i think this isn't an issue of free speech. what has happened recently is that we have seen that this

speech has become discriminatory. it's become harassment and it's kept us from studying and going to class. and it's really put our safety on the line. >> laura: well, josh, tell us what's going on at gw, a campus i know very well, not too far from where i used to live and tell us what went down today. i went to my class this morning only a dozen tents there. and there weren't that many people. by the time i left class you could hear chants of hundred people now i would say 500 people called the u yard in our main -- in one of our main yards. and there is like plenty of -- a lot of chanting and very loud. >> laura: go ahead. sorry. >> a lot of chanting and very loud. some of the chants. >> laura: josh, do you get -- we have delay here, josh.

let me ask the question and you be quiet. do you get a sense that most of the people at the protest really understand fully what they're protesting, what they want? >> i don't think everyone fully understands. i think most people are truly well meaning people. they seen an injustice in the world and they think they should fight that injustice. i think it's also important because this is obviously one of the most politicized topics to ever face the media that it's important for people to remember that before they go and they start a lot of crowd and do a lot of chants they are probably seeing a lot of propaganda. especially my generation. most people get their news from social media which isn't exactly reliable. i feel like it's important that people remember that not everything that they -- not everything that they are chanting for they have a full comprehension of for example there was a chant about endorsing intifada which is like a violent resistance primarily

israeli civilians which is, you know, a whole point of the rallies pin my against civilians, i don't think people know what intifada is. before you chant and clap to endorsing intifada it's very important that you get a full scope of the picture context so that's what i have to say. >> laura: maybe just go to class. erin, minnesota congresswoman ilhan omar visited columbia today and said it was an honor to be at the encampment claiming that the protests were joyful. she in awe of their bravery and courage. so, they are joyful and basically peaceful and everyone should just chill out. erin? >> i think that we're what we're seeing is not just academia failing. this is truly a betrayal of democracy, the fact that her daughter was suspended the other day and arrested, and was in the

first place back on campus but that her mother then came to campus and glorified what is happening shows that she truly doesn't care about our democracy or jews' rights to education auto. >> laura: josh, do you feel safe on campus despite these big crowds that are forming? >> physically i feel safe. i haven't had any reason to believe that any of the people at any of the crowds wanted physical harm towards me. it's kind of emotionally, it's pretty emotionally damaging. on campus for like shabbat dinner. we have to get our ids checked. our names cross of off of a list. many girls get their purses checked by a guard outside of my ha investors making shabbat. try to get as many jewish students as we can into the university center on campus. and there are maybe 12 or 13

police officers there making sure that there are no people coming to protest us or harass us. >> laura: yeah. >> additionally. >> it's unsettling. >> laura: josh, we got to roll. but you gave us some valuable information. >> sounds great, thank you. >> laura: thank you both for giving us insights tonight. we really appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪

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>> democrats thank they are scaring voters away from trump by saying he's going to joe port millions of illegals peer to a new poll shows that most americans want just that according to a new survey,

51 percent of americans favour mass deportations of illegals and that includes 42 percent of democrats and 46 percent of independent spirit joining me now stephen miller former senior advisor to president trump stephen it took 7.6 million illegals, probably a lot more to get people to wake up but that's pretty interesting poll. >> it's a massive political problem for joe biden. when you have nearly half of his base wanting mass deportations, just think about what that means in november. 's are all potential trump voters peer this isn't an issue like deregulation or the tax policy, if you are an american who supports mass deportation than you do not want joe biden reelected the argument can be made. this is true for latino voters, black voters, asian voters, white voters. with also interesting about this poll is the question was asked

very softly as do support deportations of undocumented immigrants? they didn't even use the word illegal. you use the word illegal alien echoes up ten or 20 points. chose extraordinary support across the spectrum forgetting the illegals that joe biden led in out of here. >> the fact that this has been a sea change in public opinion in many ways on the deportation question, i think it shows us that this attempt to use law fair, what we see unfolding in that manhattan courtroom and jack smith to kind of get republicans off this narrative and make people forget about it no one is forgetting about this border, no one. >> in fact, it actually heightens public anger over our justice system because they see president in office today who is wilfully violating on a presidential scale the laws of

the united states, complicit in gimmicks -- human smuggling... innocent people being killed. they see that and then they see the spectacle of democrats trying to throw donald trump in jail because he is joe biden's opposition leader p. or it heightens the public outrage over our justice system that protects joe biden and tries to put his enemies in prison p. or the illegal immigration issues is only going to become more intense the closer we get to election day. >> he is on trial in the mind of the public. stephen thank you. that's it for us tonight. you can catch me on america reports tomorrow during the 2:0. be sure to tune into. remember it's america now and forever. i will see you on social media. >> jesse: welcome to jesse watters primetime. tonight.