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interview with donald trump aired last sunday -- and, boy, did that make news around the world -- i briefly spoke about how the media were misrepresenting his bloodbath remark, and since then it's only gotten bloodier. for all the screaming headlines about trump threatening political violence if he loses, there's really no question he was talking about the impact of chinese cars on the american auto industry. >> we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line. [cheers and applause] and you're not going to be able to sell those cars. if i get elected. now, if i don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole -- that's going to be the least of it. it's going to be a bloodbath for the country, that'll be the least of it. but they're not going to el sell those cars. >> reporter: the criticism was fierce, but even those among who grudgingly acknowledged it was about those jobs, that was irrelevant. >> it's a real bloodbath for the media's credibility. team bind, the democrats and the liberal class all taking donald

trump completely out of context. >> bloodbath? really? once again, it's the media whores who pretend to understand metaphors. they take something out of context, create a story around it. >> these idiots on twitter, these idiots on cable news, these idiots on sunday shows -- [inaudible] you know, he was talking only about the auto industry and this is-- it's just bull [bleep] >> donald trump predicts there will be a blood path in this country if he -- bloodbath if he doesn't win the electoral college, you should take that for what it is, a trump prediction. howard: and, by the way, it's not like this is some taboo, off-limits word. it's pretty common in media discourse. >> not only is it going to be a bloodbath, but it's a bloodbath on her home turf. >> midterm elections may not be the bloodbath for democrats that's been predicted. >> joe biden was talking about his concerns about a negative

bloodbath. >> this is probably going to be a bloodbath. >> it's going if to be a bloodbath in november. >> it'll be a bloodbath. howard: bloody good. donald trump says some inflammatory things as we discussed in last week's sit-down. but when it comes to bloodbath-gate, the facts didn't seem to matter. i'm howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ howard: the media countdown began when donald trump said he couldn't post a bond of merely half a billion dollars to -- nearly half a billion dollars to cover the gargantuan fine imposed on him and his business in the new york civil fraud case. the former president faces a deadline of tomorrow before new york's attorney general can ask a judge to start seize ising his assets. trump said on truth social the corrupt political hacks in new york, judge and a.g., are asking me to put up massive amounts of money before i'm allowed to

appeal the ridiculous decision. election interference, witch hunt. some comment if taters decried the unfairness of the former president not being given enough time to appeal. >> it's like a judge saying i'm going to take your house away, but you can appeal my decision, you just have to sell your house in order to do it. >> it is the scary public policy implications of an attorney general essentially trying to bankrupt a guy that's running for the presidency because she's from a different party over a noncrime. howard: but many pundits could barely contain their glee at his financial crunch. >> donald trump, hello, welcome to the rule of law. of. [laughter] you have avoided it all of your life. >> the desperation of a man facing a stick ticking clock. with each tick and each tock, two thoughts weigh on this man's mind; staying out of prison and not becoming destitute and losing all of his properties. >> i mean, would you lend him

half a billion dollars if you had it at your finger tips? [laughter] probable not. howard: joining us now to analyze the coverage, ben domenech, editor at large for the spectator, and in phoenix, lucy caldwell, an adviser to renew america. ben with, what do you make of the tone of the media coverage now that donald trump is up against the wall having to put, if he can, half a billion dollars in this civil fraud case? >> i think it's been very unserious andal it kind of indicates, you know, as you said in your opening there, there's been no limit to the amount of glee on the part of a lot of trump critics and the pundit -- howard: they are loving in this. >> they are absolutely loving it, and they have visions, i think, of some kind of permanent padlock on trump tower or something like that. that's not the way this is going to play out. i have news for you here, i think this is going to be something that that, you know, we've seen at every point the thing that the resistance kind of crowd wanted the most has

backfired or has helped donald trump. they were looking forward to the mug shot, for instance. they were is so eager for that. and then it ended up becoming kind of a meme, an iconic kind of image for people in a way that didn't hurt him at all. howard: four indictments. >> exactly. and when it comes to this kind of seizure, it's going to absolutely backfire on the democratsen again. it only serves to further his narrative that he's being unfairly targeted and, you know, ultimately, i think this whole thing is going to look like in retrospect a mistake when democrats contest it a few months from now. howard: trump said friday he'd almost raised $50 million in cash, but we -- $500 million, but we haven't heard more about it. even rue marcus says it's unfair to make him put up this king's ransom many before he can appeal. >> yeah, i think not only has the media discourse on this not been very helpful, it's also not very realistic about what it mean to be a high net worth person. mark cuban himself, who is also

not a trump, not a trump supporter, has said he will do anything he can to make sure that trump is not elected in november, and himself is a very, very are rich man, much, much richer than donald trump, said of course it's unreasonable to expect that someone like donald trump would have $500 million in liquidity. but the reason that donald trump is in this position is in part because he created the context for folks to take aim at him because he constantly talks about how much cash he has, how rich he is in a way that's a little bit unusual and maybe a little unseemly. and so now we're just in this narrative that is, i think, bad for both sides. i agree with ben that this does not end well for liberal activists either. howard: most of his assets are tied up in real estate. that's what he does for a living. >> right. ow howe and this remind me of the push by colorado and ore states to kick -- other states to kick trump off the ballot. rough him up by having a

democratic a.g. who ran on a platform of investigating trump, hit him with this monitor fine that everybody seems to think -- >> yeah, and to lucy's point, basically the equivalent here is to say, oh, everything's fine, you just have to sell your arena and your basketball team in order to appeal this. howard: yeah. >> it's an absurd thing to ask. and for people who are at level of wealth, the idea that they're going to turn around especially in this corporate real estate market and come up with that type of cash overnight is just absurd. and i think that one of the things that, you know, really is going to come out of this is just him being with able to appoint one more example of they're unfairly targeting me. frankly are, again, we've talked about this before, but what i think that democrats underestimate is that there's a large portion, perhaps a larger portion of the population than they think who voted for donald trump in 2016 and then voted for joe biden in 20202. and every time -- 2020. and every time they go down this

road of saying you should not be able to vote for this man whether it's through the ballot access or through the different cases that they're going after him, it sends a message to those independent or swing voters, hey, wait a minute, i voted for this guy before, i should be able to make a choice e again. seems like you're playing this in an underhanded way. howard: i would say the same thing if even if donald trump was guilty in terms of inflating real estate assets. but i do have to point out that these valuationses were overly subject i, there were no victims, the banks made money on the loans which were repaid. lucy, "the washington post" says trump could put off these -- for months or years if he would talk a couple of his buildings and place them in bankruptcy but he doesn't want to do that because of the impact on his campaign. >> yeah. and he's no strange ther to bankruptcy, of course -- stranger to bankruptcy, of course. i think at the end of the day, to ben's point, the optics are really tricky here because on the one hand we do want people to be held to the standards of

the rule of law, and there are real questions about donald trump's business dealings and how he's gone about a lot of things. on the other hand, you know, it does feel like he is or finding himself in these situations because there are political motivations against him. how do you balance those features. and the fact that we're in a live campaign environment. and so he has this real incentive to promote himself as a victim. and, meanwhile, all of the things that he's being charged with or many of the things -- i shouldn't say all, because many of them are very clear, but are things that the american people don't even really understand. many of them with are quite arcane, to your point. howard: right. just to clarify, trump has never declared personal bankruptcy, but he did put his atlantic city casinos in bankruptcy. let's come back to the bloodbath business. we played the tape. it was right there. he was talking about the auto industry before and after. how could so many news organizations say, yeah, sure he

was, but it was a secret bat signal to his supporters -- [laughter] to go out and stir up violation. >> okay. after i all these years, can't we get past the idea that he dog whistles anything? he doesn't hide what he thinks. he always says what he thinks. howard: yeah, or right. >> he throws it out for everybody to grab on to. this was not some kind of subtle message, he was being very clear about the fact that he thinks there's going to be an economic bloodbath for the auto industry if he doesn't get reelected. that's something i think if it came out of the mouth of any other politician in america, it would have not been depicted, and for poem like joe scarborough to say that it's bs to claim what is obviously there in front of him, it just, it's all laughable. you can't take any of this analysis seriously. howard: yeah. "the washington post" had a piece saying, yes, it was about the auto industry, but here are all the orr inflammatory things he says. and, in fact, trump does sometimes say inflammatory thing, but this use of bloodbath

wasn't one of them. why do the media feel so compelled to distort in? -- this? >> i disagree with you that it was so cut and dried, because in his comments he said something like it's a bloodbath, well, that'll be the least of it, right in it'll be a bloodbath for the whole country. so i do think that is a very strange thing to say and does suggest in that moment that he's talking about more than just the auto industry. your open really did show that lots of people toss around the term bloodbath, but the reason that people are focusing on donald trump's use of the bloodbath is that donald trump has a history of using apoplectic language. he talked about executing the chairman of the joint chiefs, he tossed off a comment about how shoplifters should be killed, right? he is a person who is not careful with language, and that's the most general interpretation, the most generous interpretation, excuse me. a less generous interpretation is that he is doing these things in a coded way, and i do think you can, you can see your way to both ways. >> you left out lock her up,

which is like the thing that he literally ran on -- [laughter] i mean -- howard: look, i agree with ben on an earlier point which is trump says what he thinks most of the time. he is suing abc and george stephanopoulos for defamation saying two of the jurors in the e. jean carroll defamation suit said e he was found liable for rape, it was actually sex yawl assault. is this the lawsuit going anywhere? >> i don't think it's going anywhere, but i do think it's sending a message that he feels he's been lied about enough in the context of this that he wants to send a message especially in an interview, i think, that he wants to highlight because of how bad it made george steph knop house look. that interview with nancy mace went viral for a reason, and it's not because stephanopoulos was good in it. howard: right. the judge indicates that for many people the word rape is used instead of sexual assault. he may have a point about why he highlighted it, but he sues the press a lot and usually winds up

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rebigs, they hate -- religion, they hate everything about israel, and and they should be ashamed of themselves because israel will be destroyed. i think that the democrats have been very, very opposed to jewish people, that's true, or and if to israel. all you have to do is look at senate schumer what he did with israel is a disgrace. howard: the comments drew sharply critical -- >> how dare you, donald trump, tell me what it takes to be a good jew and what it takes to love israel and not love israel. howard: ben, let's start with the media's policy debate. is it fair to say the democrats are walking away from israel when there's increasingly open disagreement between the biden team and netanyahu over invading the densely populated area without a man to limit civilians? this is quite open. >> you know, for a while now democrats have been opposed to bibinetanyahu. and by a while, i mean in 196

bill clinton tried to block him from becoming prime minister -- howard: that's a while. >> in 2012, obama sent his national field director to run an opposition campaign against him. howard: uh-huh. >> they've tried to block him and disagreed with him time and again, so that's not new. what is new, i think, is this backlash from the progressive wing which has forced them into a position where they've had to signal in all these ways to their domestic political allies that they have some new position, some vague position that is going to, you know, frankly are disagree with israel's tactics in the region. and that's something that chuck schumer was trying to deliver, i believe, in that speech, but it's also one that, frankly, i think they are walking back on an almost weekly basis. they put themselves out there, and then hay walk it back because of the backlash. howard: lucy, it does seem like meddling in another country's internal politics, but as i told donald trump, biden has continued to back israel despite the palestinian demonstrations or the left wig of his party,

many of whom do not support it. >> yeah, look, i think that concern about the continued approach of benjamin netanyahu is, does not put the democrats at odds with israel. the israelis are at odds with benjamin netanyahu from what we can tell from polling. and so week over week, you know, the situation on the ground is changing in the israel-hamas conflict, right? in their efforts to fight back against what was a horrible terrorist attack in october. but i think that when we tib how to assess how joe biden is doing and how he's doing in the electoral context, we have to keep in mind that a we are now many months past october 7th, and it is a very fluid fluid situation. i think that we will see as the cycle goes with on that biden has to continue to work to shore up those folks who may sort of -- made such great hay of claiming they're not going to vote for joe biden and they're going to vote, protest vote. howard: yeah. but i don't care, i don't care

how many months we have from october -- 7th, that was an absolute barbaric maas or kerr. -- maas or consider. the question of the form former president's explosive language, i raised that with him at mar-a-lago. take a look. you use over the top, sometimes inflammatory language because that drives the media debate. did trump go too far. and then you get the next several news cycles -- >> it also gets people thinking about very important issues that if you don't use certain rhetoric, if you don't use certain words and maybe not very nice words, nothing will happen. howard: ben, what about the media's harsh reaction to trump saying jews support democrats are anti-israel, they hate their religion? it seem temperatures to raise the old -- to raise the old dual loyalty. >> i think that was obviously irresponsibility responsible for the former president to say, and i don't think it's something that people general arely agree

with. the idea that you have to vote one way in order to be, you know, a good j is ew or anything like ebb that is absurd. but i do think that his point is something that a lot of people have been discussing, and t one of the things that we see happening in reality in front of us in american domestic politics where we see a lot of different major jewish donors and other people who have been active within the democratic party coalition for a very long time ea reassessing their position post-october 7th and after the reaction both from the if biden administration and from from those on capitol hill. howard: lucy, we could perhaps all agree some of this language is over the top, but since 70% of jews vote democratic, aren't the pundits right in saying the former president is going after most of that community? >> yeah, of course they're right. of course they're right. it was an absolutely appalling thing to say, and it's not going to be effective. that didn't make american jewish voters think, oh, my gosh, i guess i should take a look begun. if you're told that what you're doing is hateful or that you should be ashamed, that doesn't

warm you to the person who's saying it just like when maga voters areville niced, that doesn't dub villainized, that doesn't warm them to the center. howard: many jews even in the israel oppose netanyahu's policy, and when this war finally ends, we will see what happens. many american j is ews oppose netanyahu's policy. that's how it works in a democracy. maybe you think israel is on the wrong course. lucy caldwell, ben domenech, thanks very much. up next, did the media prompt princess kate to disclose her cancer diagnosis e? ♪ ♪ if if why would i use kayak to compare hundreds of travel sites at once? i like to do things myself. i can't trust anything else to do the job right.

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george is, charlotte and louis in a way that's appropriate for them and to reassure or them that i'm going to be okay. howard: joining us now, griff jenkins, fox news correspondent and anchor. what was your reaction when every network suddenly was showing kate talking about cancer, talking about chemomow, talking about her kids and expressing concern for anybody else who has cancer? >> you know, howie, that very clip you played there, that moved me because i,ing like many families who have dealt with cancer, my wife and eldest daughter are cancer survivors, she really struck a chord with every one of those families because that was a courageous statement to take it on. buckingham palace could have put out a statement and be with done with it. but she sat there and she talked about it. i think that she showed resilience, and she did it, i think, a little bit also for those three kids that she has,s the going kids. because you can't cover state the weight that a cancer diagnosis places on a family -- howard: on the whole family. >> albeit, a mother of three who

is in the spotlight every day. howard: right. yes, her photoshopping of that family photo was ill-advised, but what was worse were all the crazy conspiracy theories in the media, social media. the london sun had a headline, shame on you. and a lot of celebrities have now apologized for making light of this. does it seem like that's what forcedded, prodded kate middleton into making this? >> well, i think so. she was clearly forced at some level to do it. look, stephen colbert, who i don't believe has apologized yee saying he is the poster child for speck iflating that william was having is an affair. but he's far from the last one that was speculating wildly. and i think, howie, this is a lesson in humanity for the media and all those prominent voices online, a lesson in the humanity of those in the spotlight. like her. and jumping to conclusions. howard: real people, real families get real diseases, and their not just icons for us --

they're not just icons for us to project our feelings on. >> correct. and this isn't over for her. i mean, look, we all are talking about it, and then the show ends and and we go on on monday. yet she's going to battle cancer. she's undergoing chemotherapy, and she's the future king and queen, carrying the monarchy on their backs. and king charles, by the way, has cancer as well. howard: i'm sure it would have been better if the family communications people had disclosed this already, but maybe that's not what she wanted while she was undergoing treatment. >> new york times had three sources said that she and she alone made the decision to sit on that bench and to do it also not sitting with william who she spoke about him supporting her. she wanted to take this on, and i think, you know, she certainly has experience of the british tabloids -- howard: yes. >> but she probably made the decision that this is so important and so personal now at this point after, as you point out, a rough week. she had to issue a statement

apologizing about the doctored photo. she wanted to own it and be the voice to put it to rest. howard: she's now issued a plea for privacy, and the media should go along with that. thanks, griff. next on "mediabuzz," why the media are largely ignoring a heated hearing on the potential biden impeachment. and later, my response to jimmy kimmel. ♪ ♪

howard: the latest biden impeachment hearing drew only scattered media attention. aoc clashed with former hunter business partner if tony bobulinski about what hunter's dad had done wrong. >> did you witness the president commit a crime? is it your testimony today -- >> yes. >> and what crime do you, have you witnessed. >> how much time do i have to go through it? howard: democrats called a former associate of rudy giuliani and a businessman convicted of -- to donald trump's last campaign. >> the only information ever

pushed on the bidens in ukraine has come from one source and one source only, russia and russian agents. >> the democrats say there's no evidence. the media a reports there's no evidence and the 4-year cover-up continues. everyone knows biden's corrupt. we just have to vote him out. >> this hearing certainly did not produce a smoking gun which has been lacking throughout this entire impeachment inquiry. howard: joining us now, kevin corke, senior national correspondent for fox news and shelby talcott, a reporter for semi for. kevin, even those in the media who think there are troubling and unanswered questions about joe and hunter and jim and other family members and foreign money, not giving this hearing a standing ovation. >> they're really not for two reasons. some of this was well-tread ground. tony bobulinski 's testimony has been out there for a while, and i think the second thing there was no real moment. i think the aoc clip was the strongest moment. so that tells you, one, eh,

nobody really cares. does it move the neidl -- needle? more importantly, does this lead to an impeachment vote. we'll have is are to talk about this. howard: you're so good, you anticipated my next question. shelby, when oversight chair jim comer starts talking about making criminal referrals to doj, does that a signal the house is probably not going to vote on impeaching the president? >> yeah, well, i think the big thing here is it is such a slim majority that a republicans have right now that even other far less controversial votes, say, have struggled this year. and so when you rook at that, i think republicans involved in this effort are recognizing that it could be really hard to pass an impeachment vote. and so instead they're looking at a other avenues to try to make sure that something comes from all of this. howard: right. and, by the way, a are referral to the justice department is largely symbolic since justice can or not do whatever i wants. kevin, biden's family members, son, brother, made big bucks

trading off the family name. old-fashioned influence peddling. >> yep. howard: but at the same time, isn't it true you can't impeach joe without some evidence that money went into joe's bank account? >> and that's the real issue. we're talking about 20 plus shell companies, we're talking about sort of this slight of hand where he can legitimately say it was a loan or not a loan. did it end up in his hands? who knows? and i think hay banked on that, and that makes the republican push for this all the weaker, howie. howard: yeah. and just picking up on what you said earlier, shelby, some house republicans are have already come out, they don't hi it's helpful to party in an election year. and you mentioned the one-seat margin, it's possible they just don't have the votes. >> yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. and i think the other interesting thing when we're talking about this and when we're also looking at how the media is or is not covering all this is there's always sort of a selection bias when you're -- any outlet in any media

publication, and even, you know, lawmakers when it comes to what they're really focused on. and so i think selection bias in terms of what voters are interested in right now writ large is playing a really big role in this entire inquiry. how it's being covered. howard: what's the selection bias? >> selection bias is, essentially, individual reporters or even outlets, newspapers, they all have to determine day in and day out what they want to cover, what they think is fuse worthy and then also -- newsworthy and also what their readership or viewers are interested in. so i think that plays a really big role. >> this is where editors have to step in. >> of course. >> we talked about this thing with the bloodbath. how do you not know the context of something like that? if you're an editor, you're running a team or have reporters under your charge, you've got to step in and make the right call. howard: and a big setback was the fbi informant who the committee had relied on alleging

a $5 million bribe to joe biden indicted for lying. by the fbi. now, the other huge news this week had to do with the relatively new speaker of the house, johnson, mike johnson, and passing a big spending package averting a government shutdown yet again but was not pleasing the those on the right. and here's marjorie taylor greene surrounded by a media mob. whether this is a betrayal of the american people. this is a betrayal of republican voters. mike johnson, the republican speaker of the house, handed over every ounce of negotiating power to chuck schumer and the democrats. howard: how are the media portraying marjorie taylor greene's move to boot johnson from the speakerrer's chair using -- speaker's chair using the same maneuver that ended up with kevin mccarthy leaving the speaker's chair and over the same kind of issue which is compromising the democrats on spending? >> the media understands that this represents to them chaos.

the other republicans in chaos. you'll see the headlines often, howie, where they'll say reflips once again don't know what the right hand is doing, what the left hand is doing. the real issue, i think, for marching ifly taylor greene and the republicans writ large is whether or not they will have -- how can i put this tactfully? -- the courage to do what their voters want. if they don't, there'll be more marjorie taylor greene's for mike johnson to deal with in the future. howard: don't just take it from us. laura ingraham said on our show this was slow suicide by the republican party. then we get into the details, shelby. mtg said this was a warning, not a pink if slip for mike johnson, that she doesn't have the timetable for following through and she could have demanded a vote within 48 hours. she doesn't want to cause chaos, because we all remember when the house was paralyzed by the speaker battles and nobody could get enough votes. so she did cause a lot of confusion for the media mob. how far is this going to go? >> we don't know, right? it does seem like she's serious,

but at the same time she has said this is a warning, this is, essentially, hey, speaker johnson, heads up. you need to change course or be better or we're going to find a new speaker. i also think marjorie taylor greene is facing some pushback with internally from members of her own party who have seen the headlines and have seen that sort of coverage and, in an election year, don't want with round two of the republicans in chaos focus. howard: i thought it was round five or six. [laughter] and that's the thing, in an election year people are worried about other things, it can seem i don't want to say waste of time. she's entitled to do this. but that rule where any speaker can be ousted if somebody calls a vote, not helping republicans, in my view. now, after the break, how the press is covering the politics of abortion as donald trump talks compromise. ♪ ♪

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howard: when i asked donald trump about a new york times report that he privately favored an abortion ban after 16 weeks of pressures he did not dispute it. do you think that could be politically acceptable? >> so we're going to find out and pretty soon i'm going to be making a decision. and i would like to see if we could do that at all, howie, i would like to see if we could make both sides happy. howard: the former president later refind his answer on wabc radio. >> the number of weeks now, people are agreeing on 15, and i'm thinking in terms of that, and it'll come out to something

that's very reasonable. but people are really, even hard-liners are agreeing seems to be 15 weeks. howard: shelby, trump told me that republicans need to do a better job of talking about abortion in the post-roe era. obviously, hot on this issue. has he been under media pressure to embrace a particular if plan? >> absolutely. i think the big thing is because up until now he has been a little bit more evasive on where exactly he falls on the abortion issueing it has been highlighted by the media, by democrat, by the biden campaign because, and marley by the biden campaign, because you remember because republicans have struggled on talking about abortion, it has been seen as a win for democrats because democrats' messaging has been a little bit stricter on this. so certainly, donald trump has been under immense pressure from the media to give a solid answer on where exactly he stands the

heading into the election. howard: yeah. i thought he would dismiss "the new york times" article, but he did not. whether it's 15 weeks, 16 weeks, donald trump wants a compromise that makes both sides happy. i'm not sure that's possible. a 15-week with ban would leave untouched the vast majority of abortions which are performed earlier, and pro-life groups are not going to like that. >> they're not going to like that, but i think if i were republican, i might change the script just a built. let's get the president on the record, do you support abortion up until birth? are we talking eight months? are where's your line? and i think if the president and former president had to drill down on really where they stand on this issue, i think both sides really need to sort of focus so that the voters know. i think the 15 week, 16 weeks, 14 weeks i think it is in france, i think's where most people are falling in, and you're right, this is an issue that has hurt republicans previously. they have to figure out a way to communicate that they're more in line with the vast majority of americans. howard: right. in that same interview, the

former president talked about late-term abortions and how the democrats are radical about after, say, seven months are less than 1% of all abortions. trump also a went off on democrats on that issue. but still, the pro-choice side is not going to like any restrictions, i seems to me. do you think the media with, which leans strongly pro-choice, will rally viewers and readers against any limitations? >> i think that's a really good question -- howard: yeah. >> ultimately, it will be a guess. but i do think that there is this tendency to focus on the abortion issue during this election year and really focus on how republicans view abortion because of the overturning of roe v. wade. so that the has been in the spotlight for the media much more than where democrats might stand on it. and i -- [audio difficulty] major focus again because of roe v. wade and because donald trum-

[inaudible] if. howard: right. i mean, there is no answer that we can give definitively at this point, so an educated guess is probably the best we can do. trump also feels strongly -- [audio difficulty] rape, incest, life of the mother. he talked about how republicans who didn't embrace that lost in '22. what's not clear from both these interviews is whether he favors a national ban after, say, 15 weeks, 16 weeks, whatever it is, or just applying those on a state by state ballot, and that's a big deal. >> absolutely. stick with the state by state. if you talk about a national banker it is an absolute political powder keg. can't have it. but i think he has to be honest. i think he's a little bit more pro-choice -- howard: he was once pro-choice. >> absolutely, back in the day. and i think it's okay to have that narrative, let people see how you've come along in your your incentive. -- journey. not just republicans, but for those in the middle. howard: but you think he's on to something that, while not crazy about it, might be willing to

compromise. >> 100%. gotta do it. howard: there's one line he delivered that really stuck with me, you have to go with your heart. but speaking to republicans, you also have to get elected. >> that's right. howard: both things can be true. shelby talcott, kevin corke, thanks so much. still to come, msnbc revolts against a trump the ally, a biddleing scandal touches baseball's biggest star, and jimmy kimmel unloads on my interview with the former president. ♪ flush. ♪ ♪

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trump. now "the wall street journal" reports msnbc president rashida jones told her staff she has no plans to put mcdaniel on the network. gotta play e candidate the liberal talent. ousted cnn anchor don lemon has posted his interview with elon musk. musk was clearly annoyed by lemon's questions with. >> you have a ketamine prescription. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> what's that for? >> well, asking somebody about a medical prescription -- >> besaying that standards are being lowered, you're implying that people are lowered because people are less skilled is and less intelligent, and you're talking about people of color and/or women. >> look, i'm saying we should not lower standards. >> but do you -- >> that's it. i don't think people should care what the media thinks about them. howard: don lemon told his own network that musk has abandoned his embrace of free speech since

buying twitter. >> father-in-law, that -- apparently, that doesn't matter to elon musk. it's talking points or rhetoric, because it doesn't seem to matter when it's about him, questions about him from people like me. howard: but it seems tone deaf to interrogate your boss right after being hired. based on reporting by espn and the los angeles times, the l.a. dodgers have fired the interpreter for jose ohtani, the people's slugger who's the highest paid player in north american sports. there's no suggestion that ohtani himself was involved in sports betting, even the interpreter says that. but there are the questions about $4.5 million in wire transfers sent from eau that tanny's account to a bookie operation at first, an ohtani spokesman told espn the baseball star had helped pay his friend's gambling debts, but then the company representing ohtani said we discovered that shohei is the

victim of a massive theft, and we are turning the matter over to authorities. but espn reviewed bank information showing ohtani's name on two $500,000 payments over a 2-month stretch last fall. the interpreter says he followed baseball's rules by betting only on other sports. journalists should absolutely keep digging into this mess. jimmy kimmel jumped on my interview with donald trump. of course he did. devoting much of his monologue to hitting back at the former president. you'll recall that trump trashed the hate night comic while he was hosting the oscars, and kimmel read that on the air. he later played a whole lot of our interview. >> look, jimmy kimmel is -- he hits me, i guess. his ratings are terrible. he's not a talented guy. i hear he hits me all the time, so i figured i'd hit him because i thought he was a lousy host. [laughter] >> what he doesn't realize a is i love this. i love that this bothered him so much. isn't it past your jail time?

[applause] barbie was laughing at you. [laughter] howe and there was more, much more. >> i said, this guy's even dumber than i thought. the thing went viral, it's been all over the world now, and all he had to do was keep his mouth shut. >> imagine him telling anyone they should have kept their mouth if shut. [laughter] that should be on his tombstone, should have of kept his mouth shut. howard: and kimmel didn't like the former president describing him as not too bright. [applause] >> maybe you're right about me being dumb. you know, we should take one of those cognitive tests or an iq test, or maybe we could sit down for a long game of scrabble and find out who has the biglyier brain. howard: and then, jimmy took a whack at me. >> gotta love that fox picked a news guy nobody knows to interview him. howard: you got one thing, i'm a news guy. fox didn't pick america i got the interview on my own, wrote the questions on my own, and maybe i'm not as famous as you,

kimmel, but i've been number one in this time slot for nearly 12 years. you've been trailing stephen colbert in second place for a long time, and is your numbers on a broadcast network this year, just under million and a half. my modest sunday cable show practically matched that last week. so maybe a few people know me. i guess trump bashing is one way to boost your name id. well, that's it for this edition of "mediabuzz." i'm howard kurtz. hey, you can subscribe to media buzz meter, join the club. we have millions of downloads. we riff on the day's top fiv stories and more. we are shoving things in at the last minute on this program trying to get it all for you. thanks for watching. we're back here next sunday, 11 eastern, with the only media analysis show on national television. ♪ ♪

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