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and don't miss the best moments of "fox fox news sunday,". every week, on sundays, 2 p.m. eastern on fox news channel. that's it for today. thanks for joining us. i'm shannon bream. have a wonderful week, we'll see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ if. ♪ ♪ maria: good sunday morning, everyone. welcome to "sunday morning futures." thanks so much for joining me this morning. i'm maria bartiromo. today, bribery and racketeering allegations against a sitting president from the house oversight committee. >> based on the evidence i've seen so far, i think the number's going to be north of $50 million that we're talking about here. maria: coming up, house oversight committee chairman james comer with new evidence there from bank records and 170 # suspicious activity reports flagged by biden bankers about
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the biden family. then, the national security impact. the chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike turner, on whether the alleged biden bribes have weakened america. plus, look over there, not over here. as the walls close in on joe biden incorporated, the doj moves to tighten the screws on donald trump, serving the 45th president with more charges less than one month away from the first gop primary debate. new york post columnist miranda divine and constitutional attorney alan dershowitz on the merits of the case one day after hunter biden's plea deal falls apart in a delaware court can. plus, the prime minister of italy defieses her skeptics to lead a stable and growing italy. >> well, i think i've been presented for all my electoral campaign as a monster that i am
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not. there is nothing i want to, to tell my, those who criticize me. i think it is -- the only way i like to respond is with results. so we have, we're growing more than the other great european economies. we've got the highest trades ever about occupation, about stable occupation, about women occupation. things are going well with. maria: italian prime minister giorgia meloni will join me for the only u.s. media interview during her visit to the white house this week. it's all coming up right here, right now on "sunday morning futures." ♪ ♪ maria: but we begin this sunday morning with what some are calling the biggest political scandal in recent memory, the biden family's alleged business of influence peddling.
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oversight committee member nancy mace telling me joe biden and family may have taken in upwards of $50 million from foreign nationals while he was a sitting vice president and beyond. tomorrow a key player in the biden business partnership is set to testify before congress behind closed doors. former hunter biden business associate devon archer set to sit for an on the record interview with house oversight committee members behind closed doors monday morning on just how involved joe biden was in hunter's foreign deal making. "the new york post"'s miranda devine is reporting that archer is expected to reveal hunter put his then-vice president father on the phone with business associates at least two dozen times. this, of course, would appear to contradict president biden's claim that he never spoke with hunter biden about any business deals. ing miranda devine will join us coming up in this broadcast. stay with us for that. meanwhile, hunter's plea deal
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with his father's doj unraveled on wednesday after a federal judge balked at hunter's lawyers' demands that his plea would exonerate him from future criminality even as prosecutors had to admit he is, in fact, under active investigation right now. this after hunter's lawyers misrepresented themselves to the court in trying to get whistleblower testimony removed from the evidence. one day after the deal fell apart and hunter pleaded not guilty, the doj went after president trump again with potential counsel jack myth adding -- jack smith adding three new charges against the former president over his handling of classified documents. joining me right now in this "sunday morning futures" exclusive is congressman james comer. mr. chairman, good to see you. thanks very much for being here this morning. >> good morning. maria: i want to ask you about your investigation. but, first, let me get to this breaking news. i have in my hand a letter from the department of justice that was sent to the southern
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district of new york on saturday. by way, devon archer is testifying on monday. do you ever see -- you usually see the doj send letters like this out on a saturday? >> never. never. this is the first time i've ever heard of the department of justice doing anything on a saturday. maria: so what is this letter? can you walk us through it? the government is apprising the court of the status of deafen devon archer's appeal of his judgment of conviction, and they request that the court set a surrender iser date for the defendant to report to a facility. please walk us true what this letter says. >> right. yeah. the letter from the department of justice is trying to nudge the judge to go ahead and sentence devon archer for something unrelated to what we're going to be talking to him about tomorrow. it's odd that it was issued on a saturday, and it's odd that it's right before he's scheduled to come in to have an opportunity to speak in front of the house oversight committee and tell the american people the truth about
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what really went on with burisma. so, you know, i don't know if this is a coincidence, maria, or this is another example of the weaponization of the department of justice, but i can tell you this: the lengths to which the biden legal team has gone to try to intimidate our witnesses, to coordinate with the department of justice can is to certainly coordinate with the democrats on the house oversight committee to encourage not to -- people not to cooperate with our investigation, to encourage banks not to turn over bank records, to encourage treasury not to let us have access to those suspicious activity reports, it's very troubling. and i believe that, you know, this is another violation of the law. this is obstruction of justice. but nevertheless, we're going to continue to move forward and try to present the american people with the with the facts and the truth about this president and his family. maria: tell me how many suspicious activity reports you have seen, how much money do you expect that the biden family has taken in? update us on your investigation into this influence peddling.
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>> yeah. well, i mean, there's 170 suspicious activity reports, but then there's another several dozen suspicious activity reports that were filed on other people but biden family members were the subject of those, meaning they were involved in some type of transaction involved with a major wire that had been flagged by a bank. that's what happens when you are engaged in money laundering, maria. so we're trying to have access to treasury. we want to go back. we've learned new information since we went in there the first time. we requested a limited number of suspicious activity reports. those were all involving the biden family. now we've learned of some other deals and other transactions with other entities and other people that we believe the bidens may be subject to those transaction -- to those suspicious activity reports as well. so we're trying to get back in treasury now as our investigation on thes to grow. but i will -- continues to grow. but i will tell you it's unprecedented, as someone who's been involved in banking,
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there's never been an instance that i've ever heard of or in talking to bankers around america where a family has been involved in so many suspicious activity reports. this is where the bank files notice with the treasury department that they fear their client is engaged in some type of criminal activity. this is very serious, and the extent to which this family was involved in suspicious activities is breathtaking. maria: how often does one get a suspicious activity report? i mean, how many suspicious activity reports would your average person get? >> i would say the average person gets zero. these just don't happen very often. now, the democrats would try to spin a narrative that, oh, it's not uncommon, everybody gets a suspicious activity report, it's like an overdraft fee or something. that is simply not true. i spoke to the kentucky bankers' association in washington two weeks ago, and i was telling them about all these suspicious if activity reports, and they were -- they couldn't believe
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it. i mean, a lot of banks in kentucky anyway may not issue more than one or two suspicious activity reports a year. and you think about how many clients and how many transactions are involved with these banks. so it's very uncommon for an american to get a suspicious activity -- most people who get suspicious activity reports are people who are foreigners who are doing business in america, people who are sending money to foreign countries that may or may not be legal citizens of the united states and people involved in criminal activity, money laundering and and things like that. maria: what are you expecting to get from devon archer tomorrow? let's talk about that on the record testimony. >> yeah. well, i don't want to put words in devon archer's mouth, but i'll say this, he has an opportunity to come tomorrow to the house oversight committee and tell the truth. he has an opportunity to be a hero like the two whistleblowers were, like the judge in delaware was who rejected the sweetheart
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plea deal from the department of justice to hunter biden. devon archer could be in that category of americans that just come and tell the truth. that's all we want with. we know that devon archer was on the board of burisma with hunter biden. we know that devon archer has met and communicated many, many times with joe biden about burisma and other things. so this is going to be an opportunity for devon archer just to tell the truth. we have other bank statements that we've obtained that we have questions about pertaining to countries that we believe archer may have knowledge of. so, you know, my hat's off to devon archer when he shows up tomorrow. i know it's tough. i know he's been intimidated by the biden legal team. but hopefully he saw what happened in that courtroom in delaware last week, and there are good people in the justice system. we saw that judge stand up and reject the obvious sweetheart plea deal that the department of justice gave the president's son. i know that the president's legal team has been telling our
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witnesses that they don't need to cooperate with the committee, that nothing's going to happen to the bidens. i don't think that's true. and i think we saw that play out in the courtroom next week. so we're excited about devon archer, and i appreciate his willingness to come. maria: do you have the details in terms of follow-ups? hypothetically speaking, would you follow up with something around the lines of when you all were sitting at that bar in dubai, what was the conversation happening before hunter biden decides to call up his father and have a conversation with him on the phone when you all were at the bar in dubai? >> yeah, there's so many instances, as you know, maria, from the laptop and from messages and e-mails where there were scenarios like that where the president's son called his father in front of his business associates. it wasn't just with devon archer, it was others, and we're trying to bring all these people
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in and let them tell us the truth. you know, what level of involvement, what level of knowledge did joe biden have of his family's business schemes because he said from day one he had no knowledge of anything his family was doing until last week when it became public that devon archer was coming to do this transcribed interview. then jean-pierre changed the story and said, or well, the president was never in business with his son. maria, they never had a legitimate business. to say he was never in business with his son, that might be true because there never was a legitimate business. we want to know what the president knew, and we want to know what what level of involvement he had in these business schemes. maria: based on what you have seen so far, mr. chairman, do you believe joe biden has been involved in bribery, racketeer thing and money laundering? >> i believe that joe biden knows about all those things. now, what level of involvement he had as a participant, we're investigating to find out. but there's no doubt in my mind
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that he knew about those things. and remember, he has consistently told the american people he had no knowledge of anything his family was doing with respect to foreign business transactions, and we're about to find out throughout the whole month of august whether or not that statement was true. maria: before you go real quick, tomorrow's testimony could be a history-altering event. if all of this is true, are you expecting to impeach joe biden? >> well, that's a question you'll have to ask kevin mccarthy and jim jordan. they're the two that will lead potential impeachable. i know how i would vote on it, maria, but i'm not the one that makes that decision. i lead the investigation. my job is to get the facts, to get evidence, and that's what i'm doing. and i think we've been doing a pretty good job by congressional standards thus far and, hopefully, this week will be a big week for us as we move forward with our investigation. maria: you have uncovered so much, mr. chairman. thank you. we will be watching. house oversight committee
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chairman, congressman james comer. quick break and then the national security impact of alleged bribery and influence peddling. house intelligence committee chairman, congressman mike turner, is here on why biden's foreign policy has empowered america's adversaries. plus, ufos seen and studied, next. ♪ you can age on your own terms. retinol overnight means... the smoothing benefits of retinol. are now for your whole body. plus, fast-working crepe corrector diminishes wrinkled skin in just two days. gold bond. champion your skin. he snores like an angry rhino. you've never heard an angry rhino. baby i hear one every night. every night. okay. i'll work on that. save up to $500 on the new sleep number® smart bed. plus, 60 month financing on most smart beds. shop now only at sleep number®. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh?
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>> my son has not made money in terms of this thing about, what are you talking about, china. i have not had -- the only guy who made money from china is this guy. the only one. nobody else has made money from china. maria: that's president biden on the debate stage back in 2020 denying that his son, hunter biden, made any money conducting business with communist china. on wednesday of this last week, hunter biden admitted in federal court to receiving more than $600,000 from a chinese energy company backed by the ccp, exposing his father's claim as false. this revelation comes as china continues to ramp up its global aggression toward the united states under the biden administration. the latest incident involving suspected ccp hackers breaching e-mails of u.s. government officials and agencies as well as a new report this weekend of malware that the white house believes is hidden deep within
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the network operations of the u.s. military. joining me right now on the impact of the biden family's business deals and what the impact is on national security is the chairman of the house intelligence committee, congressman mike turner. mr. chairman, thanks very much for being here this morning. >> thank you. good morning. more has all of this put america in a more vulnerable position when it comes to communist china? >> it's certainly concerning, and you do see a pattern of uncoordinated policy by the biden administration in responding to chinese threats. they've increased espionage against our country as you've seen, their support for russia in violation of sanctions on ukraine, you've seen, you know, hacking and other activities that they've done where there's been a self-declare adversary. not only do you not see the biden administration rise up to address these issues, you see, you know, janet yellen, the treasurer of the united states, meeting her counterpart in china and bowing. so you have this, you know, this concern of why the biden
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administration is not taking action, not rising up to china. and then you have these payments, payments that went to hunter biden and biden family members from ukraine, romania and china itself. as you pointed out, payments that had been denied before. remember, these are not accusations, these are actual documented bank records and treasury documents that show that these were suspicious transactions. you heard james comer say over 100 is suspicious transactions that occurred involving the biden family and these three sources. you have to ask the question, what were they buying? what was it that they expected they were buying? they certainly weren't buying hunter biden's expertise, and that's what james comer's doing, and his investigation is getting to the bottom of it. maria: a good point that you make. one of those documents is a memorandum of understanding that joe biden signed back in 2014 to allow hundreds of chinese companies to trade on u.s. exchanges and not follow u.s. auditing rules. that has been the case now for
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so long where these companies do not have to follow the very same rules that american companies have to follow. was that something he got paid for? >> well, that's what the questions need to be, is what were these payments for, have they affected policy. you know, one of the things that we've seen -- so for so long we have given china a passing it's a developing nation, it doesn't have to comply with emission standards, that it's a developing nation, financial standards don't have to be followed. china has clearly identified itself as an adversary of the united states. it's time for the united states to stand up, clean up the past and make certain that we respond to these threats, make certain we respond to their efforts to penetrate us for espionage, the the hacking aspects are responded to. and certainly they're held accountable for the things that they're doing with russia right now in violation of sanctions for the ukraine offensive. maria: congressman, i want to get your take on just that and,
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in particular, this report of malware which is embedded in the u.s. military. what can you tell us about this? >> well, i'm -- this is an uncorroborated report, i'm not going to comment specifically other than to say this, that we are very much aware of china's efforts both in hacking and in penetrating systems across the united states. every, every company including, i'm certain, fox news can tell you how many times a day that they get attacked from china, our banking system, our transactions system, our transportation system, our energy sector, on a regular basis being attacked by china without any real answer or accountability from our government. this has to stop. they need to be held accountable, and the attempt to understand mine our -- undermine our infrastructure systems has got to stop. maria: congressman, i know there's much debate about impeaching joe biden. where do you stand on it? do you support an impeachment inquiry? >> i think that james comer in your prior interview made a great point that his job is to
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get the facts. he's doing a great job of, you know, or burrowing down into what the facts are. remember, the suspicious transaction reports that he has found and is reviewing that he then took to banks to get banking records and banking transactions, those are government reports. those are generated in the treasury department, so the treasury department and department of justice in their investigation of hunter biden knew of these suspicious payments and suspicious activities and did nothing. so james comer, what he's doing is getting the documents, the actual transactions. again, these are not allegations, these are actual transactions that he's uncovering. and then asking the questions, what were these transactions, why were these payments made, what did they think they were paying for, what biden family members received these payments and why. those are very, very important questions. maria: congressman, they really are. you had a big week, you and your colleagues. there was also a hearing on ufos. let's take a look at one of the exchanges. watch this. >> if you believe we have
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crashed craft as stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? >> as i've stated are publicly already in my news nation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah. >> were they, i guess, human or nonhuman biologics? >> nonhuman, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program i talked to that are currently still on the program. >> and was this documentary evidence, this video, photos, eyewitness? like, how would that be determined? >> the specific documentation, i would have to talk to you in a scif about. maria: wow. congressman, what can you tell us about this? nonhuman biologics? >> you know, maria, i always love it when you have somebody who comes forward and testifies about things that they don't know anything about. i mean, the most striking aspect of all of the testimony was repeatedly, over and over again, the whistleblowers had to say, actually, i don't have any knowledge of this, somebody else told me that.
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i mean, really this would take thousands and thousands of people for such an unbelievable cover-up to be to curing. and for people to speak -- to be occurring. and and with people to speak with such confidence over something that they do not know is, i think, something certainly everybody needs to be concerned about. maria: so aliens are not on earth then? >> maria -- [laughter] there's, i certainly can't tell you that there are no aliens here. i can tell you that, certainly, there's no evidence that what the gentleman is testifying about, he said himself personally he has no direct knowledge of. maria: so what's a bigger threat, aliens on earth or china and its, its efforts to surveil america? >> china. but, you know, this administration kind of acts like they're the same risk. it's definitely china, maria. maria: congressman, thank you so much, mr. chairman. intelligence committee chairman, congressman mike turner. we'll take a break and when we come back, italy's prime minister proves her skeptics wrong. during your campaign and your
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early days as prime minister, joe biden was somewhat skeptical. do you think something has changed? >> i'm sure that something has changed for -- it happens to many leaders all over the world. i think aye been -- i've been presented for all my electoral campaign as monster that i'm not. maria: the prime minister of italy will join us next. stay with us. ♪ ♪ when you smell the amazing scent of new gain flings... time stops. ♪ (music plays) ♪ and you realize you're in love... steve? ...with a laundry detergent. new gain flings. seriously good scent. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health
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appeared to share common ground at the white house, although biden made the decision not to hold a press conference with the prime minister. i sat down with the prime minister before she left town where she toll me about her support for assisting ukraine, her efforts to grow the italian economy and her worries over the impact of communist china in italy and africa, rich in minerals. watch. you had a meeting in washington with president biden and the congress. how did your meeting with president biden go? how would you describe it? >> well, it was open, long. we discussed a lot about few topics in a moment in which everything around us seems to change. so there are many things about our bilateral relations but also in the global crisis that we're facing that we had to discuss. so it was a very good, a very
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good discussion, and and i was very, very happy. maria: we had president trump on this program. he said that the has sent $100 billion to ukraine, and europe has only sent $20 billion. so i ask you, what is the right number, and what do you expect if italy in the future with regard to ukraine and ending this war? >> first of all, italy has done a lot. europe is where we are paying more for this war. that means inflation, that means energy bills, energy prices, that means raw material prices. in my first budget law, i had to put $30 billion on the energy bills. so we are really affected by the consequences of the war. and it has to be, well, taken in account. maria: next year italy will take the leadership in the g7.
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what are you expecting? what do you want to see from the other members? >> well, there is work that we've been, that we began in the g7 in japan that, in my opinion, is very important about supply chains, about the mistakes that we did about globalization. i mean, we thought that free commerce without rules could solve our problems, could distribute richness and could democratize systems that were less democratic than ours. didn't happen. and the second thing that happened was that systems that were not democratic involve on the institutional side and gained space in the world. now they are stronger and we are more weak. for we don't control our supply
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chains. so what we have to do is rethink these times, understand that on strategic things we cannot let things go. and where, in my opinion, we weren't enough concentrated was africa. i say it for our neighbor, but, first of all, africa is not a poor continent. it's not. it is a continent that has many, many resources. moreover, rare earth metals, raw materials. 50% of -- we're not taking care of that. and africa today victim of many external spoilers that work against its stability. it is something that can be used against us.
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maria: and with regard to africa, issue of china comes up. i wanted to ask you about that. is china dominating or trying to dominate the continent and scooping up some of those raw materials and metals that you mentioned that are so critical to technology? >> absolutely, china has an important presence at the time in africa. and while i think it's normal that everyone tries to defend its national interests, the problem is if we are able to. i mean, what i don't really agree with is the approach that sometimes the west world have with these countries. for the idea with i have is that we are always ready to give advices but not so ready to give a hand. they don't trust us a lot. and i cannot say that they are completely wrong.
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that's why my opinion is that we have to change this approach. what i i want to do is to bring investments in africa. bring investments not only to say we want to help -- no, that's not geopolitics. if you want to do serious things, you have to do things that are useful for both. for example, now we have a problem in europe about energy sources. after a war. but africa is potentially an enormous producer of energy, of every kind of energy, green energy, hydrogen, geothermic, they've got gas, they have got everything. so if we help them for taking out and producing this energy and we tie them with europe, we will solve many problems together. maria: more let me ask you about immigration because you have talked about 1,000 illegal immigrants coming in every day?
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are they coming from northern africa? how are you dealing with this -- dealing with this? >> they are coming over from i tunisia and from libya. th rather two difficult situations. libya, we know. tunisia with is a nation that is risking fiduciary default. the -- open with the imf that was not so easy to close. also the approach of the two interlocutors. with but we've been beginning dealing with president of tunisia and some others they come from other, from asia, for example, passing by africa. to come illegally to italy. is not something that we can manage only on the security side, but we have to fight the traffickers.
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what the trafficker 's are doing is incredible -- traffickers are doing is incredible. i mean, this organization, they are becoming always more powerful, and they use their power and the money they do also gains the state. we cannot how mafia to decide who's coming to our countries. maria: italy has been an early adopter of the china belt and road. before your term, of course. there are new questions on whether or not you will renew this next year. have you made a decision? >> not yet. it is something i have to discuss in italy with parliament and with the act fors. -- actors. the paradox is we are the only nation in the g7 in the european union, but we are not the nation that has the best trade with china. that means you can have good relations with china without the
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belt and road initiative, but it's something, in my opinion, has to be discussed with chinese government and, well, inside of the italian parolment. parliament. but anyway, we'll take a decision before december. maria: well, it's interesting, because we're dealing with this national security issue in america. do you believe that the ccp is also spying on italy? >> i think that with china we need to have deals. i mean, the fact is that we have to understand that it's a system that is quite different from ours. the role that enterprises have is not the same that they have of in a system like ours. i mean, our enterprises don't have to pass data to the government if the government asks. that is what makes the difference. and then with regard to china, i think the problem is how we come back to the discussion we were doing about globalization, it's how we can manage a world in
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which we understood finally that commerce can be free only if it is also fair. but instead there is a great problem for those who have rules and targets that are quite high with workers, with environmental rules. we ask much, a lot to our enterprises to do to respect our civilization, but then we have to consider when we trade with somebody who doesn't follow the same rules and doesn't have the same standardser creating great problems for our economy. maria: is there the a conservative movement taking place throughout europe? we see, obviously, what has taken place in italy. we see the performance of the u.k. that may be a problem for the tories. you've got greece's leadership winning a second term. so do you think socialism is failing in europe, and are
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voters now i moving toward a conservative approach? >> i think that the shocks that we had in the last years, the pandemic crisis before, the war in ukraine after, while it created some problems, many problems and opened the eyes of many citizens about the fact that there is a fundamental difference between the conservatives and the leftists. they want a world that isn't the world they live in, but it doesn't -- they don't mind. that is what happens in europe, in by -- my opinion. so hay made lots of mistakes trying to follow their ideologicalling approach. i think citizens now, they understand that this difference and in tough moments they want to be govern by somebody -- governed by somebody who doesn't follow ideological you topics. maria: my thanks to prime
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minister giorgia meloni. catch part two of my interview with the prime minister tomorrow on "mornings with maria" on fox business where we talk about the european central bank, inflation and debt. she says the ecb's plan to raise interest rates will not work. join us tomorrow on fox business. quick break and then it has become a familiar theme recently, potential crimes of the biden family business exposed one day followed by the doj attacking former president donald trump the next day. this week no exception as trump faces new charges one day after hunter biden's plea deal collapses in count. we will talk with miranda devine and alan dershowitz on the other side of this break. stay with us. muck finish. ♪ i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! uuuhhhh... here, i'll take that! woohoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugar. enter the $10,000 powered by protein max challenge.
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>> i didn't say i was doing impeachment inquiry, i said if they didn't provide us the information, that could rise to
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impeachment inquiry. people don't quite understand, that just means it gives the apex of power to the house to investigate. that doesn't mean impeachment or anything else. all it means is we follow the constitution. maria: and that was house speaker kevin mccarthy on friday on the possibility that congress will launch an impeachment inquiry into president biden's role in his family's alleged influence peddling which can the first step in bringing articles of impeachment against the 46th president. other cabinet members that may also be subject to impeachment proceedings include are attorney general merrick garland over claims of interference in the hunter biden case and and homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas over his dereliction in the continuing wide open southern border e. joining me right now with analysis are new york post columnist and fox news contributor miranda devine and harvard law professor emeritus alan dershowitz. both are acclaimed authors as well. miranda's author of the book, "laptop from hell," while alan
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is the author of "get trump," both must-read books. miranda, let me get your take on the deal that collapsed last week for hunter biden, and i want to get your take also on the timing of new charges against trump. how do you see it? >> look, the doj, i think, has covered its face with egg last week on a number of counts, and one of them, of course, being this collapsed plea deal. it was all supposed to go so well, they had a podium and a microphone set up outside so that they could come out triumphantly to the media and say, see is, hunter biden did nothing wrong, it's all over. but it didn't work out like that, and obviously it's because the judge started asking questions, and the $64 million question was what about the immunity that you're offering, this blanket immunity in this secret side deal, does that cover fara violations?
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and leo weiss, who's the new prosecutor who's been thrown in there after the doj had to remove the entire team that's been on the hunter biden case for five years after the irs whistleblowers came forward and blew the whistle, they knew prosecutor leo weiss had to be the honest and say, no, we can't possibly give immunity for fara violations x. that was when hunter biden and his hours threw their toys out of the cart and just freaked out and said, no, the plea deal is null and void is, we're not doing this. i think had an expectation going in there that the judge was just going to rubber stamp this blanket immunity for hunter biden by pretending there was an ongoing investigation which, clearly, there cannot be. maria: yeah. al arranges you called it, you said they were never going to fly with that immunity. how do you walk into a courtroom and not know that? >> well, i think everybody knew it. i think the fix was in. i think both sides agreed orally
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that there'd be no further prosecution, but the prosecutors didn't want that to be in a written deal so that the public would find out about it. it was implicit, there was a handshake, but nobody wanted transparency. and the judge who represents the people wanted transparency. so i don't think that there was a miscommunication or anything like that. i think everybody understood that it was going to be an implicit deal and the judge said, no. if it's going to be a deal, it's going to be spelled out. and that's why i do think the impeachment -- there's enough basis for impeaching president biden. as you know, i opposedded the impeachment of trump because there was no constitutional violation. maria: right. >> but an investigation is proper, especially if the judge now accepts the deal and stops all investigation, then congress under separation of powers and if checks and balances has the obligation to pick it up. maria: all right. let's take a short break.
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maria: welcome back. i am back with miranda devine and alan dershowitz.
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my ran da, you broke news on what you're expecting devon archer to say tomorrow. what's your take on what to expect from the former business partner of hunter biden tomorrow urn testimony? under testimony? >> well, there's enormous pressure on on devon archer. he's had to go into hiding. he's had a lot of death threats and his family have, and so he's still intending to turn up and testify tomorrow, i'm told. and what he has to say is an absolute bombshell, and i'm sure that what will be dug into by congressional questioners of him is exactly what was said during those up to two dozen phone calls on speaker phone that hunter biden involved his father, then-vice president joe biden, in when he was talking to his overseas business partners. maria: right. >> in particular, burisma, the ukrainians. what conversations did they have leading up to those phone calls, and what was said during those phone calls. maria: yeah.
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alan dershowitz, your thoughts on these new charges against trump. >> well, first of all on archer, i'm very disturbed that the justice department would send a letter to the court on the saturday before he's supposed to testify on monday threatening him with immediate arrest. it does sound like an attempt to influence testimony that should be looked into. the charges against trump get more and more serious because this constitutes an obstruction of justice, if true. and it does sound like they may have flipped the witness. they may have gotten minute to testify that trump told him to deface a videotape. and if that's the case, it moves into -- and that's a real problem for trump. maria: okayful we've got to jump. we only have an hour, we need more time. tell fox. have a great day, everybody. i'll see you this week on "mornings with maria" on fox business. ♪ ♪ but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you.
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sky first family legal woes could be mounting as house republicans are set to talk to a possible key witness tomorrow. that witness was directly involved in the hunter biden's overseas deals and will be questioned on what president biden knew and if he was involved. will his testimony contradicted previous documentation joe biden was not involved? welcome to a brand-new hour of "fox news live" i am arthel neville hi eric. quick slow everyone i'm eric shawn his name is devon archer he is hun hunter's longtime buss partne

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