had a mother that loved us from beginning to end. thank you for sending part of sunday night with us. you can find us online at gowdyamerica.com or podcast. life, liberty and levin is up next. ♪ shannon: i'm shannon bream. border restrictions end and that means president biden now owns what happens next. ♪ ♪ san record numbers of migrants flood the southern border, thousand that three years of title 42 restrictions are over. homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas making this claim -- >> i want to be very clear, our borders are not open. shane shane the biden administration announces new enforcement plans and a major change to u.s. asylum policy, but both already face legal challenges. we'll have a live report from

the texas border. then, democrats ask republicans finally come to the table to talk debt ceiling and e try to prevent economic catastrophe. but as the high profile meeting with the president gets postponed, are they making any progress behind closed doors? >> we explicitly asked speaker mccarthy, would he take default off the table. he refused. >> but i think what we really need is a partner that's willing to work together. shannon: this morning we have two members of the house oversight committee, republican byron donalds of florida and democrat ro khanna of california, to discuss the border, the debt ceiling standoff and the latest on the house republicans' investigation into foreign payments made to members of the biden family. then, florida governor ron desantis draws crowds in multiple cities in iowa. >> it may be that florida's the iowa of the southeast. shannon: we'll can our sunday panel whether he can loosen the former president's grip on the

polls in this critical state. plus, this mother's day we head to the national zoo where one very proud mom is showing off her little ones, all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ shannon: hello from fox news in washington. we begin this morning with developments many a pivotal week along the u.s./mexico border. this is the situation you have been seeing on tv the last few days. thousands of migrants showing up hoping to be allowed to stay many this country. many making the journey at this specific moment because the u.s. just ended a health restriction that had previously blocked their entry. some local mayors say the numbers were not as high as hay had feared possible, though they are breaking records, and border cities are facing huge challenges. and the migrants are facing a major shift in border enforcement and in policy. the biden administration announcing sweeping new rules that bar most immigrants from

entering for five years if they try to cross illegally. but the rules curbing asylum are already facing a major legal challenge from the aclu. florida republican byron donalds joins us to discuss his state's lawsuit over the planned release of some migrants without court dates or even a plan to track them. but first, live to el paso with a look at what's really happening to migrants hoping to cross into the u.s. matt? >> reporter: good morning, shannon. inside of this downtown shelter, there are 140 migrant women and children. outside as the sun comes up here, these migrants are slowly waking up after sleeping on the street. in downtown el paso outside of the overwhelmed sacred heart shelter, high grants are spread across two city blocks sleeping on pavement and sheltering in a dirty alley before they find the means to move on to to their next location in the u.s. not far from that shelter is

this point of entry at border wall where the migrants arrive. they're bussed, processed and potentially released. in brownsville, fox news cameras captured this video of migrant groups who were released as they have been in this border town for well over a year now. the white house denies there are mass releases and is now promising to fight a federal judge's ruling that the government cannot release any migrant without issuing them a court date. >> so let me just say on the ruling that you just laid out to me, so, look, the way we see that is sabotage, it's pure and simple. that's how that reads to us. >> reporter: and this morning, shannon, the latest numbers from the city of el paso, it reports that it has now released 4,297 migrants into the streets here just this past week alone. that is the highest number for any week this calendar year. shannon? shannon: matt finn reporting from el paso, texas, thank you very much. joining us now, florida

congressman byron donalds. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> it's good to be back with you, and happy mother's day to you, shannon, and all the mothers out there, including mine. shannon: to all of those women doing the off thest job the world are ask of any of us. let's start at the border because there's not anything happening in washington as far as moving forward on legislation, other than the house gop passed something that probably will die in the senate. if we win back the white house, we have the house and the senate, this is the bill that we are start from. but republicans have held all of those key posts before and have not fixed the border. how much does the gop bear blame for what we're seeing now at the border? >> well, first of all, shannon, good to be with you. under the trump administration we never saw anything like this. we actually had the border under control. it was secure. we're still trying to figure out some other side pieces of immigration policy overall because with democrats would never work with us on common

sense immigration policies. the democrats have always wanted this massive surge to the border with no checks at all, no balances at all. so the house republican position is a border security package if that would secure the border, and it was my if position as well as chairman mccaul's, that's when we'll be moving when we win back the white house in 2024, and i do stress when. now that being said, what's happening now is because of joe biden's recklessness, his desire when he became president just to rip up all the trump era policies that actually had our border secure. and now they're scrambling to find a solution to the crisis that joe biden created. shannon: so democrats will say, yes, it is true that the administration got rid of those policies, but it's because hay called them cruel and inhumane. they work ad, but they weren't -- worked, but they weren't kind to the people coming here. is there any area where republicans will compromise when it comes to negotiating over legislation?

>> first of all, the democrats do this all the time. they don't like a policy, they call it cruel. but what truly is cruel, shannon, are the young women who are being raped in the journey to our southern border. they're being raped by the coyotes with, by the drug cartels, they're being raped by other men who are in their package of people that are moving to the border. number two, also inhumane, the fact that we've given operational control to the drug cartels under joe biden's administration. the drug cartels are going to make about $13 billion this year trafficking people to our southern border, and then they use joe biden's reckless policy to traffic massive amounts of fentanyl into our country killing 75,000 americans per year with. that's inhumane. when it comes to negotiations with the democrats on this policy, i say that very clearly, let's secure the border first. let's get it done. let's finish building the wall and doing all the other mechanisms that are crucial for our country's security. and when we have that done, then

we can talk about all the immigration policies. but the left wants to bring out young kids who came here through no no fault of their own, quote-unquote, and use that as a poker chip, as a leverage point to say we don't need to secure the border. that's insane policy for our country. we can do better. shannon: i want to play something that one of your colleagues said this week. he says republicans actually savor this situation at the border, here's what congressman hank johnson said. >> republicans like to see them lined up at the border, because they know that that's a stream of labor ready to be exploited. >> if you could get back to slavery, you would gladly do so. shannon: your response to your colleague. >> look, i have no response to hank on this. hank also thought guam was going to tip over. that doesn't make any sense at all. what republicans want to see is a secure and orderly process at

our southern border. and because of joe biden and and alejandro mayorkas' policy have to stop their job of actually patrolling the border to start filing paperwork. that's what's happening. and it makes no sense. again, the democrats come up with all this hysteria, they bloviate, they gas the american people instead of actually doing the job of securing the border. and once again we see joe biden and the democrats, they have no plan. and when crisis comes, they're flailing about trying to find a solution. shannon: so the other big problem that needs a solution is the debt ceiling. we're told that negotiations continue through the weekend. the president's likely, we think, to meet with congressional leaders next week if they can make some moveses on that. in the meantime, "the new york times" by a former hill staffer, worked on the senate and house budget committees say republicans are putting our standard of life at risk,

they're playing russian roulette with america 's primacy in the global financial system. you understand this better than most, your profession professional background is in banking. the dominance of the dollar at this point, how worried are you about the point that certainly china ask you should shah are rooting for the dollar to the fail, for us to continue to have financial uncertainty here in the u.s. >> listen, i'm very concerned about what china and russia are doing, but the solution is not just massive of borrowing and massive spending. that's no solution. that's putting your head in the sand, and that's going to lead us to a much greater crisis down the road. listen, i know we were just talking about the border, but new problem, same issues. the same issue is joe biden doesn't lead, joe biden doesn't have is a plan, joe biden doesn't have a strategy. and what joe biden brings america to every single time is a crisis point. a hundred days ago house republicans started crafting together a solution to bring our

spending down to pre-covid spending levels and also preparing to raise the nation's debt ceiling by $1.5 trillion. we passed that plan a couple weeks ago. do you know what joe biden and the democrats are doing? nothing. they did nothing except run to the cameras and say we should just pass a clean debt ceiling. any family and any business in our country understands you cannot just continue to spend massive amounts of money and then borrow massive amounts of money and there will be no consequences. every american family has already seen the first consequence from joe biden, and that is a massive inflation that has been the most insidious tax the american people have seen whether you're rich or poor, whether you're black or right, whether you're republican or democrat. it has come for everybody. so to this democrat staffer who doesn't have the courage to share their name, i would say sit down and be fiscally responsible. don't hide behind a reporter throwing out your talking points

because you're not telling the truth. shannon: on the issue of consequences, on this issue of default which we're told is coming, former president trump who you've endorsed, had this to say on wednesday night -- >> i say to the republicans out there, congressmen, senators, if they don't give you massive cuts, you're going to have to do a default. shannon: he says it would erase millions of jobs, hit retirement accounts and increase borrowing costs, it's not an option, says the current president. which president do you agree with? >> i will tell you right now, president trump is a master negotiator. i don't know what joe biden's done do to to negotiate anything of substance. you're going to have to curtail spending. joe biden wants to spend $7 trillion. that's his budget. we only take this about $4.2- 4.5 trillion in taxes. so he wants to massively spend money we don't have, he wants to massive libor row and think there are borrow and think there

are no consequences. inflation is the consequence for every american under joe biden's reckless policy. so the house position is very clear, let's go to pre-covid spending levels. everybody understands why we had to ratchet up spending to respond to the pandemic. we all get that. but the pandemic is now over. it's time to bring spending levels back to pre-covid and then we can talk about raising debt ceiling. and frankly, not even talk about it, republicans have passed that plan. if joe biden brings nothing to the table, if all he does is sit there with his hands in his pockets and not understanding what he has done in a way to actually negotiate, then he is the way leading our nation into default, and it's a very sad thing to see. last thing on this, there's a proposal that has been floating around congress about payment prioritization. what treasury can do is pay interest and principal on our debt first. that would actually stave off all this concern of this default, and then we could pay

social security, medicare, pay for our military and go down the line. if democrats want to continue to run so many of the agencies that they've basically put a bunch of their crazy policies into, then they have to find a way to bring spending down with republicans so we can raise the nation's debt ceiling going forward. shannon: before we let you go, because you were part of the rollout ott of the bank documents that show various payments to different biden family members from foreign accounts from foreign actors, you said this week you said to the press, this is pulitzer material. not all of them are buying it. a piece in "the washington post," an opinion piece, says what does the gop have on biden? a whole lot of nothing. the committee produced no evidence to suggest that joe biden did anything at all to help his son's overseas business partners and no evidence any money ever reached hunter biden's father. high expectations on this, are you worried about overpromising and underdeliveringsome? >> no, i'm not.

we were able to document nine members of the biden family who are getting money through jim biden and hunter biden from foreign companies, from china and romania. we've documented that. number two, since when are grandchildren getting wire payments and getting cashier's checks? that definitely sounds like a web of corruption to me. number three, how is hunter biden and jim biden a facile facilitating all these business deals all by themselves? i remember clearly hunter biden was on air force two a lot when joe biden was vice president, maybe he was just hanging out eating a club sandwich, that's not true. and number four, and let's be clear on one as well, there's another bank account that's just labeled biden. it doesn't go the jim or hunter or any of hunter's wives or girlfriends or any grandchildren, it's just named biden, and we her have tony bobulinski who said there was always 10% for the big guy. i wonder who the big guy is since the one guy who's in the

center of all this rovers and, frankly, corruption, in my view, is the current president who was the possibler vice president, who was a united states senator for 45 years. i would tell in opinion writer the actually do some information.. -- investigation. don't shut it down, because anybody with basic common sense can' that the biden family -- which has no business, mind you -- was making money from foreign interests because with joe biden has been at the center of our politics for more than 50 years. if. shannon: well, the white house and the president deny any wrongdoing, they're serious allegations, and we will follow the committee's investigation. congressman donalds, thank you very much for being with us this morning. >> thank you. shannon: up next, we'll get reaction from the other side of the aisle. congressman ro khanna, democrat, joins us next from a pretty important 2024 sate. we're going to ask him about why

♪ shannon: with the end of title 42, there are renewed calls from some lawmakers to talk bipartisan immigration reform. california democrat ro khanna says his party is willing to compromise but republicans aren't. joining me now, congressman ro khanna who is notably live in new hampshire, a key 2024 primary state, this morning. congressman, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, shannon. happy mother's day to all the moms watching today. shannon: yes, and blessings to them. this week marked the highest recorded numb of people showing up illegally at the bodder. by the end of the week with, it was 82,000 people reported so far. national review saying democrats dismantled the policies that the

trump administration had used to get a handle on the problem. at the border this week, senator ted cruz said this -- >> i have to say i am angry, because this is deliberate. this is a decision that was made by president joe biden and kamala harris and congressional democrats, to open up the border to what is nothing less than an invasion. shannon: president biden did get rid of trump era policies that he called inhumane. you heard what congressman dons said, that that's an easy way to label things in his estimation. but nothing got done in the administration the first couple years of democrats controlling the white house and both houses of congress, so who owns this chaos now at the border? >> shannon, nothing has gotten done president reagan signed biattar san immigration reform in 1986. and instead of throwing fingers at each other, why don't we come together on some common principles. we need a safe and secure border

and an orderly and humane process. that means congress needs to act. we need to provide the money to have judges there and to have immigration officers so that we can actually be quickly processing the claims. the president is saying that these claims should be processed in hours. people who aren't legitimate should be sent back. we need to have more money for border patrol which, by the way, the house has pass under democratic9 -- passed under democratic leadership two years ago. the republicans didn't vote for that. why not come up with a bipartisan solution? that's what i want. shannon: well, is there anything you could work with with republicans? because a lot of those things, ramping up personnel, border agents, those things are included. they say you've dot to secure the border before anything done, they have e-verify as well, that all employers would have a database. are you opposed to that? >> their bill is extreme, even their senate, the senate won't pass their bill. i mean, their bill takes away

funding from any of the, this gos in el paso. you talk to veronica escobar who represents that area, why wouldn't we want ngos giving water to people coming across or helping deal with the situation on border? their bill is for a border wall. that is not something democrats can or will support, but we will support increased funding for border patrol, increased funding for immigration judges to quickly process things, we will support better technology and security on the border. so why not come up with a compromise there? and the president, with by the way, is doing everything he can to reverse the catch and release. you have border agents now and judges quickly calling people who are coming at the border within hours, and many of the folks who don't have legitimate claims aren't being allowed n. shannon: just a couple of recent fox polls on this, on how president's doing the on immigration, 61% disapproval. and how he's treating illegal

immigrants, 9% say too tough, 60%, overwhelming majority, say not tough enough. so whatever this administration is doing, voters out there do not think it's effective. they lay this at the president's feet. >> they understand that there is, the border crisis right now in terms of people not being treated in an orderly, safe and humane process. but the problem is often with congress. i mean, we have not provided the administration with the resources for the immigration judges or processing. we have not provided the resources for border patrol. we have not provided resources for securing the border. and i don't believe this is either a democratic or a republican issue, it's a both party issue. i mean, president reagan is the last president who's gotten this done, and since then we've had no bipartisan agreement. so the question i have for representative donald soften or others is do you want to just score political points, or do

you actually want to compromise and get something done? shannon: it sounds like there are some nuggets there that you do agree on, so we wish you luck many doing that. there were a number of gop senators who went to the border. they're back here in d.c. talking about the issue of the fentanyl crisis. here's what they had to say. >> joe biden doesn't give a damn about americans. why would i say that? 70,000 americans die of fentanyl overdose. why joe biden doesn't care? the the he has a completely open border. >> president biden could use this health crisis of fentanyl poisoning to implement title 42. he could do that today. shannon: senator bill hagerty, who's got a proproposal legislatively to give the power to the president to trigger title 42 with fentanyl as a health crisis. would you support that? >> shannon, first of all, the exact problem with politics is what senator scott said.

i mean, come on, president biden doesn't give a damn about americans? here's someone who has dedicated his entire life to public service. i would never say that about president trump. i would not say that he count care about americans, so -- -- doesn't care about americans. so why don't we deal with these issues instead of ad hominem attacks on the president. of course i'm concerned about china shipping fentanyl, it's wrong. i've heard the testimony in congress of mothers who have lost their children. let's solve that. i mean, instead of launching ad hominem attacks at the president. shannon: okay, let's do a little bit of a lightning round, a couple of other things. the debt ceiling, there is a call by the white house for a clean debt ceiling. there are enough senators, republicans, who say they won't vote for a clean ceiling. it's fully buster-proof there -- filibuster-proof there. if the debt ceiling is mechanically lifts without any debate over spending, then it

doesn't really exist. if you want to spend without any limit, just say so. what do you say? >> we say that we should pay our bills, but we are open and believe there need to be cuts in the deficit. and here's how democrats would do it. we would increase taxes on the wealthy, we would make sure that billionaires had to pay at least a 25% minimum tax. we would make sure that there were strategic cuts in defense spending, we would end the cap on social security and -- taxes and have taxes over $250,000 on social security. we have a proposal. we just want to, first, pay our bills before implementing our proposal. shannon: leapt me touch on this as well, because you also sit on oversight committee. the bank transactions that were outlined by republicans this week raising questions about hunter biden, what work with he was doing. and as you heard congressman donalds say, grandchildren were getting paid. of here's something else that

congressman donalds said this week. >> whenever there was like this many companies just laying all over the place ask you see wire transfers, cashier checks over here going to random members of the family for no apparent if purpose at the size and velocity at which all of this was being conducted, the only logical conclusion of a financial professional is you are concealing money. shannon: do you have any curiosity, any questions about those transactions? >> well, steve doocy from fox himself asked, he said there's no evidence of thinking illegal, and there's no evidence of anything that ties this to president biden. i wish the house oversight committee would spend more time worrying about the ordinary income of americans going up than they are worried about the income of hunter biden -- shannon: so no questions. >> i guess -- well, i do have -- here's my point, there is a attorney that president trump appointed that is charged to look into all of this.

and i have confidence in him. when he comes out with something, i'm not going to question it. but why are we wasting our time politicizing this in congress? let him do his job with. he's a trump appointee. he has full authority. he can look into all of this. i'm not going to question the facts. let him do it and then let's agree to his process. shannon: yeah, we wait on that. quickly, you're in new hampshire, there is a debate about whether president biden's going to spend much time there because there's this fight over the primary calendar and what order. you're worried he may overlook new hampshire. >> he should be here. he would win this state decisively in the primary. but look, people are going to be here for a year in 2023. trump, desantis, pence, it would be a mistake for us not to make our case. we've got to be in new hampshire talking about what this president has done in north country, in towns where he's helping revitalize those small rural towns, factory towns. the president should come, he should come and give a speech

about his agenda. shannon: congressman khanna, always great to see you. thanks for dropping in today. >> thank you. shannon: former president trump's biggest potential 2024 challenger just barnstormed iowa. we've got a live report about what voters there are thinking, and we'll bring in our sunday group to debate the the gop rivals' dueling visions for the party. ♪

♪ shannon: iowa's diehard republican voters heard firsthand this weekend from one of the former president's potential 2024 challengers, florida governor ron desantis traveling to several cities in iowa to test his message as he weighs a presidential run. supposed to be a bit of a showdown with former president trump, but he had to cancel his rally because of tornado warnings there. alexis mcadams is live in iowa with a look at what voters are thinking. ing hello alexis. >> reporter: hi, shannon. we did have a chance to talk with several voters across iowa. they tell us they do not like where the country is heading, and they'll back whomever will beat president joe biden. we did have a chance to catch up with florida governor ron desantis, i asked him about what he thinks of the southern border. watch. >> it's a disaster x it's a manmade disaster with bad policies. the border should just be shut down. >> reporter: now, governor desantis expected, shannon, to announce a presidential campaign in the coming weeks. fox news now confirming

desantis will move into a new base in downtown tallahassee on monday. that triggers disclosure requirements with federal officials here. and this come as he was out in iowa at a series of events talking with supporters in some pretty packed events. former president donald trump had also planned to be this iowa, but his team said bad weather forced them to cancel that the large rally. desantis then seizing on that opportunity, stopping by des moines right about the time trump's rally would have taken place. >> trump's a great candidate too. i think can desantis is even better. but that's what the primary's for, you duke it out. >> reporter: and endorsements are rolling in on both sides. we check in with desantis' team that tells us they have dozens of supporters including three dozen republican legislators from iowa backing him, and donald trump says he has the backing of more than 100 local elected officials in the hawkeye state. shannon?

shannon: we'll see if they'll both officially be running soon. thank you, alexis. fox news correspondent and former national security staffer gillian turner, "forbes" contributing writer richard fowler, former bush white house adviser karl rove and syndicated columnist cal thomas author of the brand new book, "a watchman in the night." great to have all of you today. you heard about the competing endorsements there in iowa. karl, desantis isn't even officially running yet, but trump outpacing him there. does it matter? >> we're at the beginning of this process. remember, hillary clinton was way ahead in iowa of a fellow named barack obama and was upset e on i caucus night. i frankly thought it was a good start for desantis. he wisely did -- in iowa, they like to see you up close and personal. they don't want to be part of a 10,000, 5,000 crowd, they want you up close and personal. i was very impressedded with his legislative endorsements, the republican senate president and

house leader both endorsed him along with 30 of their colleagues. that's a strong start. and he's being host by the republican congressman in western iowa, and that's a republican stronghold when it comes to the caucus. shannon: at the town hall if this week, former president trump very much projecting as if he's the nominee, although marc thiessen called it a three-alarm dumpster fire for the gop. axios reports a source telling them trump's town hall provided weeks' worth of damning content in one hour. gillian? >> marc's not the only one to call it a dumpster fire. i think it received widespread criticism for a whole host of different reasons. to me, they billed the event as a gop primary town hall, yet for some reason they decided not to press the former president on the issues that republican voters including his own supporters actually care about.

they spent an inordinate amount of time asking him about jan 6th -- january 6th, about his allegations that the9 2020 election was stolen, asking him about the accusations from e. jean carroll. none of those issues are things that his supporter and the republican party want to talk about at large. it seemed a missed opportunity to actually -- if they were going to cater to republican voters, seems like that was the moment to do so. shannon: one of the issues that did come up was abortion which we got a signal from the trump campaign weeks ago that he wouldn't be for a federal ban. "wall street journal" says when an audience member asked what he would say to women worried about last yore's supreme court decision overturning the right to abortion, mr. trump told her the decision was a great victory and bragged about his role in nominating conservative justices to the high court. at the same time, he refused to say whether he would sign a federal abortion ban. cal can, just to be here, this

sent it back to the states, but he really demurredded on that. >> the democrats used to say they wanted safe, legal and rare. i think pro-lifers need to start focusing on the rare. i think those of us who are pro-life have been trying to defend ourselves against charges of rape, incest ask life of the moore. the other side of the argument's more powerful, would you be okay with abortion up until the moment of delivery? how about the eighth month? with flyability if i think there's a much stronger argument, polls show that's where american people are. you're always going to have abortion, but we can reduce it with the right policy, and i think arguing it from the beginning of life at 9 months, 8 months, 7 months when the fetus can be viable outside the mother is a much better way to go politically and morally. shannon: in the midst of all of this when voters in polls tell us people are not super excited about a 200 rematch, a lot of

whispering about the third party contender. manchin flirts with iowa voters, he took the time from his busy senate schedule to tell at gather -- gathering of iowa business leaders wednesday in d.c. that he's fiscally responsible and socially compassion sate -- nate. another interesting piece, richard, out of axios, they talked to a group of swing voters in georgia who said the they're confronted with this rematch in 2020 but somebody who is independent and has a financial backing, they'd vote for that person or at least consider consider it. >> look, i think there's always this flirtation with the third party. here's the problem, many candidates lack the infrastructure to get on the ballot in many of these states which creates a problem for them. if you think about if there's a potential rematch between donald trump and joe biden, the recent abc poll that came up, the media's been fodder in the beltway, the truth of the matter is for many voters are saying, look, the election's 18 months

away, a lot of time here, and we're also looking at our wallets. with we see inflation is on it way down. it's stubbornly high, but it seems to be on its way down, and we're getting rid of many of the policies that joe biden passed including the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and we're going to see what that's going to look like. shannon: karl, would a manchin candidacy, which candidate would be hurt most by that? >> we have no idea. first of all, there will be in all likelihood a no-parties label on the ballot because they're spending $50 million, i've seen their plan, and their plan is meticulous are, well staff by lawyers and being ec executed. in 2016 we had a third party candidate who got on 24 state ballots and was on -- received write-ins in another # 11, i think there are going to be 51 directions -- jurisdictions with a no no-labels party candidate line. who that candidate is going to be, i don't know. if it's joe that manchin, we don't know how that's going to

play out. if he were the candidate, is he going to appeal more to people who might otherwise vote for republicans or centrist democrats or sport of a pox on both your -- this is going to be one of the most unpredictable presidential elections that we've seen in our lifetime if not the most. but there will be a no-labels candidate, i suspect, because they're going to have a label, and he ain't got a good place to go home and run for the senate, west virginia, which went for donald trump by 40 some votes is not going to be particularly -- shannon: he's got a little trouble based on things like the inflation reduction act and other things like that. "the washington post" is calling out the current president for not doing press. they say hay promised transparency, but he's stonewalling the media. he should be eager to show he can handle all as pokes of the job. cal? >> my favorite line in that editorial is the media is not your enemy. thousand, when "the washington post" has to tell a democrat that the media's not your enemy, what does that mean?

[laughter] they used to the fault ronald reagan for not holding more press conferences, but the american people want to see their president and feel that he is capable, especially right now when there is so much stuff out there in the water, saying that he is -- displaying all of the signs of mental decline. and this is serious stuff. and we've got to find out if the guy is equip for a second term. he'd be 82 if he won, he'd be 86 when he left. look, biden and i have the -- are the same age. i'm clean and i'm articulate, as he once said about barack obama. shannon: are you running. >> i'm running from office finish the. [laughter] shannon: panel, thank you very much. a quick break here. up next, the growing fight between house republicans and the fbi over a whistleblower document as investigations into the biden family divide washington and capitol hill. ♪ ♪

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>> for years the left has said no one is above the law are. put your money where your is. shannon: are republicans provided documents this week regarding the biden family with the same energy they spent investigating foreman president trump. all right, i want to put up these two opposing headlines. national review, biden's used -- bidens used web of shell companies, but "the new york times," same response to -- different response to the same event, says house are republican report finds no evidence of wrongdoing by president biden. karl, where does the truth lie? somewhere in between. is this a rorschach test? >> sort of semi-accurate. but let's be honest about it. this stuff stinks.

the vice president of the united states in 2016 -- 2024 is a guy named concern 2014, is a guy named joe biden and his son gets hired by a natural gas company in ukraine which is under expectation because its corrupt owner is playing footsie with moscow and doing bad things. there's only one reason they hired him, he was the son of the vice president of the united states. they had recently hired the longtime bagman and confidant of the secretary of state, john kerry, who recommended his business partner, hunter bide, be -- hunter biden, be on the board. when the president, vice president goes to a ukraine in 2015, ngos involved in the anti-corruption effort say it really stinks to have the guy from the united states who's been detail by president obama to come and lecture us on fighting corruption, to have his son be on the payroll of a corrupt company. now, put a republican in there. what if it had been jenna bush

had been hired while her father was president or liz cheney had been hired while her father was vice president. wouldn't we say there's something stinky sneer maybe they didn't violate a law, but the vice president of the united states, we've got to ask him a couple questions. did he know in advance that his son was on there and did he have a problem with it, and did people inside the administration say it really doesn't help our effort to to encourage anti-corruption efforts when your son is on the payroll of a corruption company. and, of course, everybody has, like, 11 llcs for their family names -- [laughter] you bet get money from romania and the ukraine and kazahkstan, and you give it to your grand kid, your sister, your brother-in-law, your wife -- blah, blah -- shannon: you're itching over here, but what about these questions? what was hunter biden actually doing, and why were grandkids getting checksesome. >> sure. i think this committee has set high expectations, i'm not going

to defend hunter biden. number one, we've seen elected officials' families engage in business practices before. i point to the former president and his children who worked at the white house and then did business out of the white house. but i digress. let's talk about what this committee has put out here. they put out information that's been reported by both "the new york times" and the washington post. they set high expectations behind a podium in front of cameras. i want to see this committee get behind a dais, and if they have this evidence and it's hot and it's good like the congressman said earlier, have a hearing, subpoena some people, and when you're cone, seven recommendations to the justice department on who they should prosecute. if not, stop standing in front of cameras. it's all we've seen since taking the gavel, and let's remind the american people that this investigation started in the united states senate under republican control in 2018. if you don't have the evidence by now, where is it? shannon: well, another question about what the attorney is doing with respect to hunter biden. we're waiting for answers there. >> richard has sort of laid the

predicate, if the u.s. everyone to of delaware indicts hunter biden, he's going to say that's a good hinge? >> sure, absolutely. shannon: dan daniel penny if has been charged in the death of jordan neely on the subway. he's a facing up to 15 years in prison. he's out on bail with right now, but dante the mills, who is an attorney for jordan neely's family, a young man who was obviously struggling, they want tougher charges. here's what that attorney said. >> there was no attack. mr. neely did not attack the anyone, he did not touch anyone, he did not hit anyone, but he was choked to death. and that can't stand. shannon: there's a lot we don't know in this case, cal, but we know the charges are moving forward. >> that never stops anybody from speculating. you have the are rino, al sharpton, rev end in name only, just like he did before, making all kinds of unfounded statements. this was a man, clearly, who had mental troubles. he has a history of harassing especially women on the subways,

and it's interesting though that the crowd funding amount of money now has exceed a million dollars for his defense. it's going to be interesting to see what comes out in the trial. a united states marine veteran against a guy who had serious behavioral and mental problems with a history of harassing women and 40 other charges against him, and alvin bragg, the manhattan district attorney, who likes diminishing felony charges to misdemeanors. i think the marine has got everything on his side even with a new york jury. shannon: yeah. we'll have to go through a grand jury and then to a jury. "the wall street journal" worries even if mr. penny is acquitted by a jury, the charges against him will surely deter other potential samaritans from intervening to subdue a dangerous person or even stop a robbery or assault. if you do and something goes wrong in new york, you will be the one prosecuted. gillian, this is a big topic this week. >>s. you could also argue that somebody ending up dead is not

nearly something going wrong. there's a lot of ways in which people can intervene to protect their fellow citizens. this is coming from someone -- i grew up riding the subway this manhattan. i lived there until i was, i think, 22. i've been all kinds of harassed, intimidated. somebody exposed themselves to me on the subway. i have lived this, right? it can be terrifying. something has to be done to try and help people live their lives. at the same time, stepping in for for self-defense and to defend other passengers cannot encompass folks ending up dead. shannon: prosecutors will have so though penny caused neely's death and did so recklessly and unreasonably chose to to apply it. anyway, quick final word. >> let's be clear, i agree with gillian, but being a panhandler, being homeless and having mental illness is not a death sentence, and if you're a veteran, you should know. you can still be a good samaritan and not kill somebody.

shannon: we'll see what the jury thinks. up next on this mother's day, i'll take you behind the scenes to meet an actual mama bear raising two adorable cubs at the smithsonian national zoo. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ shannon: a little mother's day sweetness for you, zoo lovers went gaga last fall when two adorable cubs were born. the smithsonian zoo invited us in behind the scenes for an up close visit with the cubs and the mom who loves showing them off. >> ian was the one that was bolder at first and sean was a little shy, and now i think that reversed. shannon: meet ian and sean, the adorably indian bear cubs. >> they're out in the or morning from about 9-11, and they're super criss mat ific. they come and watch, and the cubs going up the tree, it's a really nice little spot in the zoo. shannon: they were born in the fall and stayed quietly snuggled up with their doting mother briann for months, but now

they're allowed to roam and climb trees and even fall but under briann's loving supervision. >> andes bears are very special. they were listed as vulnerable, and there's thought to be maybe less than 18,000 of these guys in the wild. shannon: this family is an invaluable presence at the zoo because bears are difficult to study in their natural habitat. >> we collect behavioral i data, every they do every day, and we can share that information with other zoos, we can share it with researchers in the wild and help promote the conservation of these bears. shannon: and with all of that, very distinct the personalities too. >> they do. sean is always more social than ian. he's at the top of the tree all the time. so they're really sweet with bears, and we are lucky to have them here. shannon: we were with lee for a small but hilarious cub first. >> this is their first box, so we'll see how they like it. it has peanuts inside and hay, and briann loves both of those

things. shannon: the cubs loved the good goodies. the cubs' father is just as sweet as they are ask just as ready for a snack. >> here he comes. shannon: key toe. >> he's all wet, he was in the pool. shannon: a big, beautiful, impressive bear, but you said he's also one of the sweetest. >> yes, he's 340 pounds, and he has the sweetest temperament of almost all of you are o -- our animals. he's everyone's favorite, and he's genetically valuable. he came to us from a zoo in germany, and i was fortunate enough to go and pick him up and bring him on the airplane home. shannon: she knows the baby bears are an easy tell to visit the zoo, and she hopes that as they grow, young visitors' interest in animals as well. >> when i was a kid, i loved going to zoos, and it inspires me to do what i'm doing now.

kids can learn that there's simple things they can do to protect these animals. shannon: most of us go to work, we have some coworkers, maybe we feel like some of them are bear- [laughter] but you literally are here with animals all day. what does it feel like? this is your office. >> it's amazing. especially this little corner of the zoo, it's so peaceful and quiet. st just a lovely place to be at work. shannon: and just a note, by the way, my podcast dropped new this morning, this mother's day. i talk with bethany mendel, one of the most underappreciated jobs out there, motherhood. and you can hear all of today's program on the fox news sunday podcast. down load and subscribe at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you like to get your podcast. that is it for us today. thank you for joining us. i'm shannon bream. happy mother's day to my mama, marie, and gillian, joining us on the panel too. have a great week out there, sell celebrate your moms.

we'll see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ ♪ life, liberty, and levin. ♪ we had welcome everyone to the next revolution live from los angeles tonight. let's get straight to the point anyone who talks like this is not fit to be president. >> remains to be seen is going to be chaotic for a while. steve: is going to be chaotic is it? thanks a lot. he's talking about some passive bystander but not the leader of the most powerful government on earth. these things a