. and no routine blood tests required. don't use otezla if you're allergic to it. serious allergic reactions can happen. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. some people taking otezla had depression, suicidal thoughts, or weight loss. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. doctors have been prescribing otezla for over 8 years. don't hesitate. ask your doctor about otezla today. >> sandra: all new at 2:00, we are monitoring two live events for you as we begin a brand-new hour. we have two briefings happening, one ongoing at the white house and one about to happen at the pentagon. the pentagon taking questions from reporters on three developing stories that may threaten to up end the biden presidency. >> john: the white house asked about the bombshell whistleblower complaint that

president biden may have taken a bribe while serving as vice president. >> what's the white house's response to the serious corruption allegation? >> i have to refer you to the justice department on that. i have nothing on that for you. >> do you know what country that pertains too. >> i'm getting hooked, see you. >> sandra: stocks are falling on wall street. what exactly is the selloff signalling after the fed issued the latest rate hike, 10th in a row, and growing concerns more and more banks could be on the brink of collapse. >> john: and then the looming migrant surge at the border which dhs secretary mayorkas is getting a firsthand look at right now. reiterating all is well, even as the pentagon is forced to deploy 1500 troops to the border. >> sandra: the union is firing back at the white house spin and telling americans not to believe a word they are saying. >> john: welcome back as "america reports" rolls into a second hour. i'm john roberts in washington.

happy friday eve to you. >> sandra: and you as well. flew through hour one, sandra smith in new york, more on the three breaking news stories, but first fox news alert. crisis now hitting two big cities thousands of miles away from the southern border. in chicago, parents outraged after learning a neighborhood park will be converted to a migrant center. lori lightfoot begging the federal government to do more as the city reaches a tipping point. >> john: similar plea from the new york city mayor, struggling to handle hundreds bussed in from texas. handling just a fraction of the people who border towns see crossing nearly every day. >> sandra: since october, cbp has seen more than 1.2 million migrants cross over the united states border, that number is expected to grow and go up in just seven days when title 42 expires.

let's get right to mike tobin on the ground live in chicago. what do we know about the migrant center built around a park? >> it's in a neighborhood called avondale, and you have parents upset because they are moving the spring and summer programs and normally with kids playing softball and things of that nature, moving them out so the migrants can have a place to stay as they are filling un. so we are seeing this direct impact from what happens at the border. that being said, a live shot from the fox news drone team. brownsville, texas, we have seen the migrants piling up through the morning. some hauled away for processing. bussing them to sanctuary cities like chicago where they are sleeping on the floor in police stations, but cops and critics say it does not need to happen, the outgoing mayor is using the migrants as pawns in a final political game. >> despite calling chicago a

welcoming city, lori lightfoot sent a letter threatening and scolding governor abbott in an attempt to cause chaos and score political points, and the ability to receive individuals and families in a safe, orderly and dignified way. police stations have been turned into shelters, migrants have been sleeping and eating on the floor in cases of bedbugs, lice and chickenpox, are reported, exposing not only asylum seekers but police. during the covid outbreak converted mccormick place convention center into a massive shelter. >> other members think it's her last little middle finger to the police department of i'm out the door, basically f-you. >> migrants are sleeping on the floor. miguel garcia says the police were kind but sleeping on the floor was too uncomfortable. his wife says the kids were cold and hungry in the police station. they got out and found beds in

chicago's pacific garden mission. and governor abbott responded to the mayor, ironic to hear you call about the struggle to deal with a few thousand illegal immigrants, a fraction of the number we deal with in texas on a regular basis. and lightfoot threatened she is going to try to get the federal government to withhold fema funding for texas if governor abbott keeps bussing migrants to chicago. >> sandra: mike, thank you. john. >> john: thank you, mike, sandra. another major american city in decay, scenes of smash and grabs and addicts shooting up on the streets of san francisco, so common major stores are leaving down. the guy in charge of keeping the bay area economy afloat does not see much cause for alarm. listen here. >> the issues about crime could lead into a situation where people are avoiding downtown and that makes the environment there worse. again, i don't think that's the direction we are headed now. i think the idea of the doom

loop, this is a downward spiral, i think we have a lot of control. >> john: the city's deserted downtown speaks for itself. nordstrom packing up shop, and locking up shelves up and down the aisle to prevent people from robbing them blind. >> sandra: live to the white house, karine jean-pierre has begun taking questions at the podium. dip into the white house. >> and you know, title 42 is ending next week. how confident is the president that the fixes he's put in place are going to hold given we are already seeing strains in the system? >> let me first say look, as you know, we have been putting forth policies and programs for the past several months, kind of heading into may 11 and understanding that title 42 is going to lift, so you have heard

from the department of homeland security, heard from the state department, just held a press conference last week and so we have laid out what the tools in our toolbox, the president is able to use to deal with this issue, to deal with the challenges that we are seeing at the border, and this is something that the president has been taking very seriously from the beginning of his administration and we have asked congress to take action. asked congress to meet us even halfway as we put forward the comprehensive immigration piece of legislation and we understand how important it is to modernize the broken system. we put processes in place. i can say some of you are following secretary mayorkas is at the border in texas to assess ongoing preparation to return to title 8, and port of entry with

migrants and agents and some of the removal flights dhs is ramping up. secretary mayorkas will hold a press conference tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., so i would recommend or suggest to listen in on his press conference on the multi-agency comprehensive response that we are having today, and so i'll leave it there. look, i can't say what it's going to look like after may 11, but what i can say is that this is an administration that has taken the challenges that we see at the border very seriously since day one. >> thank you. and then on the other question, the president stopped by an a.i. meeting, wonder if we could talk about his views on a.i. and what he asked chatgpt. >> i could -- i know there was questions about this -- about if the president has used a chatgpt, the president has been extensively briefed on chatgpt and knows how it works.

so i can confirm that. and i know, as it realities to his thoughts, but what i want to -- you know, i haven't asked him about his thoughts on it, but look, this is something that is important to the president, this is why he has had continuing engagement on this issue as you know, he had one very recently with pkas and you got to hear from him. the vice president and senior administration officials convened the ceo meeting and the ceos lead companies at the forefront of a.i. innovation to underscore the president and vice president's belief a.i. is one of the most powerful technologies of our time but in order to seize the opportunity to present we must mitigate the risk and that's what we want to see. we want the risk mitigated and the products to be safe. that's what are seeing from this engagement with ceos but that is something the president has certainly want to make sure that we are dealing with a.i. in the

way as we know is the most powerful technology of our time, we have to make sure we protect people's rights and that's what you are seeing the administration doing. >> director young said a moment ago the math is the math when it comes to the debt ceiling issue. does that apply to vote count as well? because neither the house nor the senate have the requisite votes to pass a clean debt limit increase. so the solution is at odds with the current reality on the hill. does he need to adjust in order to get right with reality? >> congress needs to act, really. and what she says -- hold on a second. when she said the math is the math, this is going to be catastrophic for american people. there is a reason why we call the bill that house republicans put together a default on america act, it is. if they move forward what they put forward, and we know all of house republicans and maga republicans voted on the bill it's going to hurt american

families and it's the president's job to also be very clear with congress, with republicans in congress. you've got to do your job. it is simple. you take an oath. this is it. this is the basic thing you need to do for the american people to make sure that we are not a deadbeat nation. 78 times, 78 times that we have been able to do this since 1960. three times in the last administration. so, the question is to them, the question is to speaker mccarthy, to the maga republicans, what is going on here. why can you not get this done. it is simple. it is simple. and just to take you back to the president, the president has done more for the american people certainly than maga republicans have done in the last two years. >> do you have a solution to present next week for 60 votes -- >> the president will bring the four leaders of the house and the senate as you know, next tuesday, may 9th as you stated and he's going to lay out what

the consequences are. he's going to be very clear that congressional members need to take action. this is their constitutional duty. he's going to be incredibly clear on that as he has been for months, for months. we have been very clear. we -- we do not understand why they can't get this done. in the last republican administration, democrats put their politics aside and they came together with republicans and got this done. look, we can have every -- every year we have a conversation about the budget. that is something that happens, you have a conversation about appropriations, conversation about the budget and you negotiate, that makes sense. we have having a conversation about default, really, when it's their job to get that done. go ahead. >> thanks, karine. i wanted to ask about the banking sector. specifically in the stock market and it seems like the concern has moved from depositors

pulling their money out of mid range banks to investors in mid range banks. in 2008 during the financial crisis, u.s. regulators imposed a stop on short selling of these banks. i'm wondering if that is something under consideration. >> i can say the administration is going to closely monitor the market developments, including the short selling pressures on healthy -- on healthy banks. i would have to refer you, justin, to the sec on possible actions. but we will monitor. >> and following on the question, on the a.i. meeting the sort of concession from companies going in they would allow folks to look at the underlying models, hacker convention coming up in august. and the vice president's statement she-- that she enforc

products on a.i. do they want a regulatory look under the hood or ok with the status quo. >> i'm not going to get ahead of the readout. look, it was a frank conversation. it was an honest, frank conversation which included discussion on a couple of things. three main things is the need for companies to be more transparent with policy makers, the public and others about their a.i. systems, in particular, the importance of being able to evaluate, verify and validate the safety, security and the efficacy of a.i. systems and the need to ensure the systems are secure from malicious actors and attack as you were just stating. we have led on these issues since long before the newest generation -- products, mitt

gates risk and protect americans. that's what we want to move forward with. honest conversation, frank conversation, four ceos meeting with the president and the vice president. that shows how seriously we take it. we had the pkas meeting to talk to, so the president could talk to his team on what we can do, and look, we are going to continue to have these engagement with critical stakeholders on the issue. it's important to the president. >> you've said many times it's up to congress to raise the debt ceiling. if that does not happen, will the white house and the president be confident in saying we did everything in our power to avoid it? >> i think -- the question is to congress. did they do what they are supposed to do, their constitutional duty. i get the question, and he's the president and i understand why you ask the question.

it's not difficult. truly, truly is not. 78 times since 1960s. this is something that we are supposed to do, pay our debt, pay our debt, which we have done. we have never not done. and so the president is going to have them here, he's going to lay out why it is so important and critically important that we do not allow the american families to be hurt here, when the default will be, what the bill will do, it is on them. i hope when speaker mccarthy comes here next week, ask him that question. what is he going to do. he's the leader of the republican caucus, right, the republican congress. he is the speaker. this is something he needs to do. speaker pelosi made it happen, she put the politics aside and made it happen and we want to communicate with you and you get

the process, and we want the american people to understand what the director said moments ago. >> another topic, does the president believe that there should be a code of conduct for the supreme court? >> so, i've been asked about ethics and this question many times before. senate is currently moving forward with a process. we are going to leave it to the senator now. >> his own commission on the supreme court, which he established, issued a report that said a code of conduct for the court would bring the court into line with the lower federal courts, etc. did the president read that report? >> understood, the president has seen the report, we have seen many times before, appreciated the bipartisan commission that came together and put the report that you are just speaking of as relates to this moment in time. senate is taking action and going through the process, leave

it from there. >> you have said from the podium you are not going to talk about any stories with justice thomas and his own code of conduct. why not? >> right now it is being, as it relates to the ethics, the process, the senate is moving forward with their own senate procedural process. i'm going to leave it there for now. actually, to the back and come back down. who i have not called on. go ahead, sir. >> two questions about president sanchez's visit. is the president going to do a joint press conference and the leaders of the philippines, ireland and brazil here without joint conferences with the president. how do you decide which gets the joint press conference and which ones don't? >> we did last week with the south korean president, as you know, i'm sure you probably

listened in on it, happened a week ago -- no, last wednesday, so that occurred. i don't have anything to share about spain and their travels and we'll have more details about what that -- what the agenda will look like. look, every conversation is different. it is a diplomatic conversation that occurs when we talk about what they are going to be doing here at the white house, i just don't have anything more to share on that. >> -- french protests, she talked about systematic use of detention as repression. what is the administration take on the latest accusation against the police in france? >> i would refer you to the police in france to deal with this question. i would refer you to them. >> you keep saying the president next week at this meeting with the congressional leaders is

going to lay out the consequences. outline why this is so important. you also noted you guys have been laying out the stakes for weeks and nothing has changed. what makes the president think getting in this room, laying out yet again what is at stake here is somehow going to suddenly change republican -- >> you know the president, he's been the president, the vice president, the senator, on the other side of pennsylvania avenue dealing with these types of issues. he knows these folks, right. he knows these leaders, and the president has been able to get things done in a bipartisan way in the past. we have the record to show that. and so he's going to sit down, have an honest conversation, a frank conversation, don't want to get into what could happen or what might happen coming out of them. but i think it's important for the president of the united states to lay out on behalf of the american people what this will mean directly, face-to-face directly to the speaker. and so that's what you are going to see. look, we know that leader jeffries and we know that leader

schumer and the president are on the same page. they have been on the same page for months. this is -- we have been calling on speaker mccarthy and republicans to do their jobs. they'll have a frank and honest conversation. something the president knows how to do and has done it in various positions. and so we'll see how it goes. >> one other quick thing on the shooting in atlanta. has the president reached out to the families or the victims? >> i don't have having to preview or read out on conversations the president has had with any of the victims of the shooting yesterday. clearly it was a gut wrenching event and you know, our hearts go out to the victims and the families on another horrific, horrific gun violence that we are seeing in our communities. >> what's the white house reaction to the proud boy leaders and three others

convicted of seditious conspiracy in their role of the january 6th attack? >> clearly we have seen the verdict, while the verdict has been reached in this case, we are mindful there are other similar cases pending, and so we don't want to interfere, clearly, with those. so i would refer you to the department of justice for comment on this case as it related to other cases as well. but we are just going to be really mindful as we know there are other pending issues here. thanks, everybody. >> thank you. >> is jake sullivan going to saudi? >> sandra: some interesting moments there in the white house briefing room, john. obviously taking a lot of questions over what is happening at the southern border and the 1500 troops deployed to get the situation right there. a lot of debt ceiling talk as well. a lot of blame on republicans for not getting this done and holding the american people hostage as the omb director also said in the same briefing room a short time ago.

>> john: it's republicans that have passed a plan in the house saying this is our plan for raising the debt ceiling, what are you coming up with, the president refuses to negotiate with kevin mccarthy. and until that happens, likely the stalemate will continue. >> sandra: protestors are gathering outside alvin bragg's office as we await to hear whether he will charge a marine vet in a homeless man's death. incident happened on the subway and caught on camera. started when 30-year-old jordan neely launched an aggressive rant. he screamed and he was threatening passengers, when one rider, the 24-year-old marine veteran stepped in and put neely in a chokehold. medical examiner has called it a homicide. brian kilmeade, i know that you've been in touch with this person, brian. >> he's on the f train, 2:30 in the afternoon should be fine. you get on there, no cops around

and it happens often, a homeless guy, 30 years old, he's got numerous prior arrests, offenses including assault, disorderly conduct, beating, trying to beat the fare and confronted law enforcement. throwing garbage, so he gets him in a submission hold to control the person, not to beat him senseless, he clearly could have done. 24 years old, marine background, he decides nobody around, this guy is out of control, i'm worried about the other passengers, and with adam, saw somebody else intimidated, he gets beat up. so he sits there, and a couple people held him down, he was still screaming. by the time they get off on bleaker street he's unconscious and passes away. when you are in the subway car, almost like the octagon. you are in between stops, how many more victims do we need in

all these cities, especially in subways in new york, before something like this happens. when you let homeless run crazy, when you never arrest anyone, sooner or later someone will take things into their own hands. clearly that was not the intention of getting a hold like that, it's to control the person. >> there's been a lot of reaction to this, and democrat members of congress have been speaking out. >> shocker. >> 30 years old, black men deserve to grow old, not lynched on a subway, and aoc, jordan neely was murdered, because he was houseless and crying for food in a time the city is raising rents and many in power demonize the poor, the murderer gets protected with passive headlines and no charges. she claims disgusting.

the mayor of new york, a democrat himself calling them out. >> i don't think it's responsible at the time when we are still investigating the situation. let's let the d.a. conduct his investigation with the law enforcement officials to really interfere with that is not the right thing to do. >> sandra: the manhattan d.a. has issued this statement, solemn and serious matter that ended in the loss of jordan neely's life. it's been handled by serious senior prosecutors and will provide an update when there is additional information to share. what did you think of the exchange between eric adams and the far left democrats. >> and he said let's point out the facts. and she says militarize, that's called giving police officers a raise. that's what adams efforted to do, from 42,000 to 55,000, she's upset. you think it's a rent problem? because someone is having a mental illness you should be their heavy bag and take a pounding from them, i believe

somebody taking a mental illness in the hospital yesterday in atlanta, i believe that was a mental illness too. does that mean you should just become a victim until someone gets the right medication? to me, it's a story of what's been happening in so many cities because we don't have enough cops, they can't be everywhere, and sooner or later you have people that don't want to be victims and for these people to show up in downtown new york city who have to ride the train and know what it's like when the guys get in there and out of their minds or want to create hell for the people riding, and for them to quickly go to the victim is sadly predictable in new york city. if they were in that situation, they would hope a 24-year-old former marine was there to protect them. >> sandra: the manhattan d.a.'s office confirmed they are investigating the incident, neely lost consciousness, e.m.t.s did arrive to revive him, but he was taken to the hospital and later declared

dead. >> see what's in his blood alcohol. >> a lot we don't know. when you try to control somebody and they teach you the holds and other things and i imagine with marines, they teach you to subdue, they don't teach you to kill. sometimes things happen during that time, especially if you feel as though this guy is going to be a threat if i release him, put yourself in that situation. if you are sitting there and you have a kid, you hope there was a this 24-year-old marine to top him, and see the back of his baseball card, it's full of arrests. this guy is -- seems to have been a constant problem in new york. >> sandra: see where all this goes. thank you for joining us on that. good to see you. >> john: further down south, sandra, the suspected gunman who brought atlanta to a halt for hours yesterday waiving his first court appearance. 24-year-old deion patterson charged with murder and four counts of aggravated assault. nate foy is live with the

latest. what are you learning how police finally arrested patterson? >> john, we are learning patterson was armed when he was arrested after a nearly eight-hour manhunt by an under cover police officer in cobb county, last night. he waived his first court appearance but did get his mug shot, take a look at this. the 24-year-old charged with murder and four counts of aggravated assault. he is a former member of the u.s. coast guard, discharged in january. here is the cobb county police chief talking about his arrest last night. >> there was no resistance and he was taken in custody with absolutely no violence, and was treated professionally. >> john, the chief also stressed the importance of technology saying license plate readers helped them track down patterson. he's accused of stealing a pickup truck and driving to a condo complex about 11 miles from the medical facility where the shooting happened. five people in total were shot,

and unfortunately we know 38-year-old amy st. pierre, a former cdc employee was killed. and moments ago, learned an update on the four other women injured in the shooting. >> as of today, three of them are intensive care unit. one of them is in stable condition, one of our medical units. two of the three in critical care are going back to the operating room today for additional procedures. the third patient is stable, hopefully will be able to move out of i.c.u. today. >> john, the doctor said two of the four women who are injured are unable to speak, but he did talk to the two who are capable of it. he said they are traumatized, but they are grateful for the support that they have received. back to you. >> john: i'm sure they are getting great care at grady as well. nate, thank you. >> i'm very concerned about ongoing threats from china,

iran, russia, and extremist organizations. >> sandra: head of our military intelligence agency, testifying that beijing and moscow are deepening their relationship. it comes as russia accuses the u.s. of being behind a thwarted drone attack on the kremlin. mark esper is standing by on this. first retired four star general jack keane. thank you for joining us. i just want to play this out. this is the director of national intelligence, director haynes, and senator tom cotton. watch and listen to this exchange, your reaction. >> do we know that vladimir putin doesn't spend the night at the kremlin all that much, is that correct, director haynes? >> yes. >> even if he were there, the drones do not appear to be the size of weapons that could do significant damage to the kremlin, is that correct? >> that is correct. >> thank you, you might have been on to something when you

said it sounds like misinformation. >> sandra: what are we to make of all this, general. welcome. >> well, we have looked at this of war and concluded that russia's conducting a false flag operation. for the audience, that means they created this incident themselves. and why do we come to that conclusion? it doesn't fit ukraine's pattern of behavior at all. first of all, there's little or no damage. and ukraine would be absolutely seeking damage, number two, i mean, hitting the top of the senate dome appears to be well framed for filming, which it clearly was, as opposed to destruction. and thirdly, the russians came out very quickly with this is an attack and an assassination attempt by the ukrainians on vladimir putin. when it well-known, senator cotton is absolutely right, putin does not sleep in the kremlin. he works in the kremlin unless

there's a crisis going on and he's going to stay overnight, and that was clearly not taking place here. so what's really happening here? what is the motivation of russia to do that? well, we don't know for sure, but we can speculate that it likely has to do with 9 may that's coming up, their celebration of their victory over germany and the nazis in world war ii, huge amount of casualties there, 22 to 25 million, depending who is reporting it, but staggering casualties in ukraine and the people are becoming more and more aware of the toll that this is taking on the young people in russia. and that's the reality of it. and this is a way to distract the people, the domestic audience, from that focus. and then to come out the next day and blame the united states as well, that fits into the narrative right from the very beginning and also the narrative that putin has been carrying on

for years, sandra, that it's the united states and the west encroaching on russia, not the opposite. and this is why i'm going to war in ukraine because there's nazi genocide saying place there, supported by the you state and the west. this is, i think, what is really happening here. >> john: general, you mentioned the 9th of may and this time last year putin wanted the war in ukraine wrapped up by the 9th of may. putin's mouth piece blamed the united states and suggested they were weighing options for retaliation. what does that tell you that might lie in the future with russia, and if it's a false flag operation, how would putin be expected to raise the ante here? >> we don't think there will be significant escalation, even as they have threatened in the

pass, a use of nuclear weapon. why is that? look at what has happened here to russia. they -- their intent last year was to topple the country. they failed that. they have made two attempts to take control of the donbas region. the end of last year and also the beginning of this year. and they have failed miserably. this last attempt was done with the addition of 300,000 mobilized reservist and conscripts and have still failed. ground operations are defeat the every time. and john, the air operation to defeat and destroy the energy infrastructure of ukraine failed miserably. am it's functioning, not to 100%, but they did not destroy it. their air campaign to break the will of the ukrainian people has failed miserably. this is where we are, and they

know full well the momentum is about to shift to ukrainians and conducting air offensive operations which we believe they will take some significant terrain from the russians in doing so. >> sandra: appreciate your input and all of that, general keane. thank you for joining us. >> john: thanks, general, appreciate it. good to see you, thanks. mark esper, former secretary of defense. mr. secretary, you heard what the general had to say there. w what's your opinion of the drone that coincidentally blew up when it flew by the flag. >> i think it was an attempt to embarrass the kremlin by knocking down the flag pole off the dome and the general offered one theory, two other theories are that ukrainians in russia, not associated with kyiv, the government in kyiv, who decided to take this action.

or as has been said by former russian lawmaker, russians who oppose the putin regime who did the attack. so, clearly there are a lot of options here, it was not us, it wasn't zelenskyy's government and the russians trying to get something off of this, decide to try and rally the russian people around putin by suggesting somehow it was an assassination attempt. so we cannot believe that theory at all. >> john: you don't think it was a false flag event then? >> i actually don't think so. i think it's possible, but again, i think it was some other group out there that was trying to embarrass putin and the kremlin. >> john: there are -- >> i don't know what the kremlin would gain by trying to show their vulnerability to a drone, the fact that a drone could get right over top of where putin stays occasionally would not be a message i would want to send to the world. >> john: it does send the idea that ukraine is out to take out

russia from the head and that gives putin more license to go do whatever he sees fit there. you know, these drones, by and large, are pretty short range, maybe 45, 50 miles. there are some longer range, 5, 600, and turkish 1500, but larger. would that suggest it had to be fired from inside russia? >> that's my assessment, john. you are right. ukraine is hundreds of miles from moscow and so my sense this went up in the air locally, why it was able to avoid rings of russian air defense and i think their attempt was to embarrass putin and the kremlin by knocking down the flag pole and clearly they didn't do it, but it has us focused on it and the russians are trying to use the incident to do different things and they want to broaden the war, saying it's not russia

losing to ukraine, but losing to united states and nato. clearly they are trying to do different things on this and put out disinformation. >> john: interesting analysis on that point. domestically, u.s. active duty military soon to be headed to the border, 1500 of them for the most part they'll be in transportation and administrative function. the texas lieutenant governor dan patrick was on fox yesterday and said he doesn't see these troops making any difference at all. listen here. >> our poor border patrol agents who would like to do their job of law enforcement, they are reduced to being hotel clerks. we have criminals crossing the border, committing murder, rape, carjacking, brutal gang violence and this president does nothing about it. he -- he even says 1500 are there to help, help the people cross into america. this president has a stone cold heart. >> john: so posse comitatus --

are they prohibited from intradicting when people come across the border? >> when i deployed troops to the border in 2019, 2020, they were there for logistical support and monitoring and surveillance and if people come across the border, cbp agents are on hand. step back, border security is national security. and we need to secure the border. and the irony here, if the cpp was funded and resourced, and if we had finished the border wall, there would not be the need for troops to deploy to the border and this is the irony of the entire situation. you have a situation now 6 to 8,000 people a day are crossing. when title 42 ends next week, it will be over 10,000. john, that's well over a quarter of a million people a month

crossing over and don't know who they are or what they are doing, so on. >> john: even if you did complete the border wall along the rio grande, they are still going to put feet on the united states, means cbp has to do something with them. how much help would a border wall be along the rio grande? it can't keep people out. >> well, it relieves you the burden of trying to watch every mile of the border and what it does, just like in military operations, it channels people to areas where you want to monitor more closely, pick them up when they close and get them into processing centers. that relieves the burden of having to deploy the military and do other things. that was a reason why we decided to support, of course, the border dhs from that happening. >> john: still come across. >> but we still need more cbp agents. >> john: they still come across, though. >> yeah, and that needs to end.

trump administration used title 42, biden administration used title 42. if both administration's need this, why doesn't congress just give the administration what it means to stop the crossings, and of course we need a broader immigration reform as well. >> john: the clock is ticking on title 42. mr. secretary, thanks for joining us, thanks for hanging with us. appreciate it. >> sandra: senator bernie sanders is renewing his push to raise the federal minimum wage but would that hurt an already teetering economy? i don't know what larry kudlow might say about that. he'll join us live next. ♪ ♪ ♪ get 2.9% apr for 36 months plus $1,500 purchase allowance on an xt5 and xt6

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>> john: well, this is not your average recruitment video. u.s. navy enlisting the help of a drag queen to be the first digital ambassador to boost recruitment. mike emmanuel is here, what's the fallout from all of this on capitol hill? >> john, some members are congress are demanding to know who signed off on this digital ambassador program. missouri republican congressman wrote a letter to lloyd austin asking "explain in detail with supporting data how drag shows improve recruitment and

readiness." an army iraq veteran in the senate is asking what message it sends to america's adversaries around the world. >> they look at something like the navy drag queen ambassador and think the leaders are not serious, trying to address a recruiting crisis by recruiting a drag queen ambassador to tell stories on social media. >> harpie daniels is the stage name for joshua kelly, 1 of 5 sailors serving as a digital ambassador. more than 1.3 million likes on tiktok, including the transition from uniform to drag. in a statement the navy says "the navy digital ambassador program was a pilot initiative designed to explore the environment to reach a wide range of potential candidates as the navy navigates the most challenging recruiting environment since the start of the all volunteer force". the comparison made to bud light ad campaign with dylan mulvaney.

congressman saying they should talk to bud light and exchange notes what not to do. the navy is doubling down saying they want gen z to know they don't have to be robots if they join the military. >> john: joshua kelly says he's an inspiration to folks out there, and others wonder what drag shows have to do with the navy i and the mission. >> you have to keep everybody together, so concerns about what it may do to morale. >> john: and budweiser is still smarting from the single most expensive can of beer they have ever produced. >> indeed. >> nobody in this country can survive on 7.25 an hour. and maybe some of my colleagues in congress might want to live for a month on 7.25 an hour and see what it's like. >> sandra: well, that was

vermont senator bernie sanders unveiling the new legislation to raise the federal minimum wage to $17 over five years. larry kudlow with i think his quick reaction to that? >> nothing is going to happen. nothing, i mean -- to his credit, senator sanders have been saying it for years. look, only one major piece of legislation that is on the table right now and that is the debt ceiling and budget reform that speaker mccarthy is doing. that is it. and you've got -- i think may 4th, did you say that's today, may 4th, so you've got somewhere between 4 and 6 weeks to get that done. and if you don't get it done, two things. we will always pay off the debt, revenues do come in. but there will have to be very difficult strict prioritization of revenues throughout the

federal budget, which is a hi highly controversial poor way to run the railroad. no minimum wages. >> sandra: i sense urgency from you. >> look, i don't know why the president is waiting until tuesday to have the four-corner meeting, but even that meeting is kind of irrelevant, he has got to sit down with kevin mccarthy, one-on-one, with their respective staffs, and start negotiating. i just saw a poll today, 74% of the country wants biden to negotiate with mccarthy. 74% wants a deal. right now you are getting political blather from the white house and the white house press room, that's all you are getting. nothing serious. >> sandra: blaming republicans. >> maga maga. >> sandra: they want to hold the american people and the economy hostage. >> that's correct.

and when they keep telling you republicans want to slash the budget, that is simply not true. all mccarthy is saying is he wants to slow down the growth of spending. the only guy that's been honest about that on the democratic side is joe manchin, said there is a limit on the increase in spending. the level of spending is not going to go down, an increase in a limit to the increase in spending is a very common sense approach that the public will favor. mccarthy has the whip hand here. he's in the driver's seat. joe biden and company don't want to cut $0.05 from anything, ok. they don't want $0.05 slower. >> sandra: you've heard it, it doesn't sound like the president will give here. >> he will give, revenues are coming in short and spending is coming in way above budget, like $350 billion of additional spending against last year, the

treasury's cash position is going to be very meager. and i doubt if they can hold out past middle of next month or they are just going to have to keep robbing the post office retirement, the civil service retirement, the thrift savings plan retirement. they can do that, but it's going to have to be paid back, will increase the debt ceiling even more. >> sandra: major, major, you and i chatted about this, you know i'm knee deep in this, some major warning signals flashed in the market. dow is down today and a lot of volatility, a lot of uncertainty when it comes to the equity market, i watched oil markets, commodity markets as do you. oil is now at $69 a barrel. larry, we were at $122 a barrel in june of last year. there has been a significant drop, down 35% over one year. >> it's a recession signal, that's what it is. look, all commodities, you take a broad commodity index, whether

it's the crb or the goldman sachs, they are all way down from a year ago. the commodity value of the dollar has gone up, but commodities have gone down. it's a recession signal. money supply is shrinking. >> sandra: looming gas prices and fear of default. >> yeah, look, let -- it's important. we will not default on our treasury bonds, we will not default. it's the rest of the budget that is wrecked if they don't make a deal quickly. >> sandra: i believe i'll be joining you with bret on special report tonight. >> we'll double-team him, make teach him some economics, maybe the most fun we have had. >> sandra: looking forward to it. >> john: as title 42 expires in

one year, mayorkas is set to visit the border, as president biden announced he is sending 1500 active duty if to the border. and former mayor from el paso, dee margo, joins us now. appreciate it. 1500 active duty troops to the border administrative and transportation role. will that help ease the crisis at all? >> well, i don't know, john, it will ease the crisis, but it will certainly help on the processing of the migrants. i mean, the biggest problem we have right now in el paso, according to the folks i've talked to, we have somewhere between 1500 and 2,000 immigrants who snuck through without processing, but they are on the streets and in churches and ngos cannot take care of

them because they are not documented. it's a funny nomenclature when you talk about documented and undocumented migrants, but that's the issue. the troops, my preference taking $80 billion going to irs and giving it to cbp and homeland security to take care of the border. >> john: so your concern, your immediate concern there, at least in the city of el paso, a number of, i guess refer to as got-aways who have joined up with people allowed to stay in the country with notices to appear and on the streets, don't know who these folks are, don't know what their intentions are. >> well, cbp is, you know, what i'm told is that unless there is a conflict, criminal activity or whatever, the police can't arrest them or determine them to be able to deport them. but the bottom line is people need to understand that immigration crisis, which was

started in 18 through 2019 when i was mayor and we were considered ground 0, kind of like asian flu all over again as yogi bear would say, once they are processed they go all over the united states. immigration issue which has not had anything done on it for 37 years, and i say that both houses of congress and both parties are culpable for the failure to do anything, it's a political football, but they are only here typically once they are processed for 24 to 48 hours and then they are all over the united states. and that's what's hard for people to understand. it's not all the border. it's -- this is a problem for all of the united states. >> john: we actually did cover that with a couple folks from the heritage foundation who tracked cell phones as they came across the border, go to ngos and fan out across the united states and were literally in a month in every congressional

district across the united states. so, president biden was there in early january and we had seen scenes of camps set up in el paso, hundreds of people that were out on the streets, miraculously that all disappeared during biden's visit. a mayor was challenged by brian kilmeade yesterday. >> so when the president came you cleaned up the streets so he saw sanitized el paso, not the one that you have to deal with every day. >> that was a very incorrect statement. when the president came, the numbers had gone down and you were able to see they were gone down. >> come on, you cleaned up the streets, mr. mayor for the president. you -- that was not a candid look of el paso. >> you used to be the mayor, were the streets cleaned up and what did it look like now? >> sanitized visit when he was here, i was glad he came to the border. people have a hard time understanding el paso, we have

been one region with mexico for, since 1659. but that he at least saw. but it was a very sanitized visit. how do you go to a migrant processing center and not see any migrants. that did not make any sense. so, yeah, i'm sure it was very much sanitized and cleaned up. >> john: and real quick, mr. mayor if you could, what do you expect is going to happen when title 42 comes off on the 11th? >> 42 -- we only had title 8 when i was dealing with it, didn't have title 42. appropriate -- title 42 is not an appropriate response because there is no health emergency, per se. it was something that the trump administration used, which was appropriate at that time. but it has not been appropriate since the end of the pandemic, title 8 is here. but the biggest thing is the processing and the fact that cbp is -- courts have ruled that you can enter along the border, which is wrong. it needs to be at a port of

entry. >> john: mr. mayor, the bell -- the bell means we are out of time. the program has come to an end. appreciate you being with us and your thoughts. >> thank you. >> john: sandra, title 42 having off will have a huge impact. >> sandra: john, great to be with you, thanks for joining us. i'm sandra >> martha: thanks very much. good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. "the story" is live in london this hour. this city and country get ready for our special coverage, which you'll see at home early saturday morning of the coronation of king charles, iii. later my conversation with the former prime minister and the foreign secretary, liz truss. very interesting chat with her. that is coming up in just a bit. the markets getting rattled pretty hard as fears