dudes my wife mowing the lawn what's up with this guy? you got to marry a farm girl. >> steve: i love mowing the lawn, too. there used to be a fox news host who lived about two blocks away from us. i would go over and mow their lawn. i would mow mine and i would mow theirs, too. >> good for you. i don't have that in me. i have gone over and mowed down beer at their houses. >> steve: jimmy failia, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. give your wife our best. all right, hour two of "fox & friends" starts right now. it's 7:00. ♪ ♪

>> brian: that is augusta, georgia, and that's -- i requested a structure right in the middle of a bridge. that would show symbolically how we have to come together as a people. thank you very much control room for pulling that out. >> ainsley: kind of like joe biden you want to unite. >> brian: i do want to unite and like joe biden i have done nothing to make it happen but we'll see. welcome, everyone, to this second hour. and as far as i could tell we still have an hour after that. >> steve: we do if all goes well we will go until bill and dana get in the building and take over so we can go mow. >> ainsley: that's exactly right. to texas, we talked about yesterday there was this manhunt for this guy who allegedly ran next door to his neighbor's house with a gun and mowed down five people inside that house. we heard from mr. garcia who said his wife was the first one to die in the threshold of the door. here's the man that they are still looking for. this happened late friday night

into saturday morning. and the guy still hasn't been caught. they found a cell phone, they found his clothe many are wondering did he escape and go back to mexico? >> steve: the man's name he has been identified by federal authorities francisco oropesa. multiple agencies including the u.s. marshals and the fbi staked troopers down there. so far they have come up completely empty. they don't have any leads although twice yesterday a sheriff's office in montgomery county down in texas alerted the public about a possible sighting, a couple of schools are secured with campuses and people told to avoid the area. as it turns out it was not him. but, here's the thing about this guy who mowed down that family next door, and the family just had said hey, it's 11:00 at night. can you stop shooting your gun? he goes in the house and shoots everybody except a couple people

who were able to run for their life. that man right there was in the country illegally. he had been deported four times since 2009. and even though he was deported four times. neighbors say he lived on that street where he murdered those people for many years. >> ainsley: there is $80,000 reward for finding him. they are using 250 officers, including u.s. marshals that are searching for this guy. they are using subsequent scent trackingdrugs and drones. no luck. white house will talked about this yesterday but no mention of him being here illegally. >> in all five people were murdered by an individual armed with a powerful ar-15 style rifle. as the manhunt for the suspected assailant continues, we urge the public to heed all guidance from law enforcement officials and stay safe.

federal law enforcement agencies have been providing assistance and support to local law enforcement as they work to respond to this tragedy and locate the suspect. >> brian: he was on something, drunk, whatever. crazy guy. they hated him in the neighborhood. they knew he was trouble. they didn't know how much trouble he would be. in but the biggest story i think is what really is going on at the border and what is about to happen in a couple weeks. think about the all-time record of apprehensions two years ago. broke it last year on record to do it again. now you have got tens of thousands. >> over 73,000 migrants cross the southern border over the last 10 case. you have tens of thousands set to cross again after title 42 goes away. we have not seen anything like this challenge at the border. and this administration is not up for it. they are not trying to fix it. mark levin sees the danger of what is happening. i can't see the big picture. some say it's to eventually for democrats to believe that every

hispanic that's in our country legally or not is their vote. the stats say differently. here is mark levin. >> what is the purpose of immigration, sean? the purpose of immigration is to improve our country for the people who live here. we are the citizens. these people are supposed to be representing us not every foreigner who happens to come across the border. you talk about this mass murder who killed five people today, that mass murderer wouldn't have killed five people if that mass murderer wasn't in the country. all the murders and rapes, all the assaults and batteries, all the theft that occurs from people who are here illegally, that's on joe biden's hands. >> brian: we got 1.2 million here already. 2.3 last year. got away get aways and number one killer of 18 to 34-year-olds is fentanyl that comes across the southern border. everyone is making money on it. we are the worse for it.

i thought this is pretty amazing. mayor eric adams overrun in new york city. the sanctuary city with illegal immigrants. he says governor of texas, greg abbott is targeting blackrun cities with migrant buses. if there is nothing not involved in this horrible scenario, it is race of the mayor be. >> ainsley: lori lightfoot says we can't take care of them. says this is into the problem for america. relief to border communities. texas began busing migrants to sanctuary cities until the president secures the border to stop the inflow of mass migration, texas will continue this necessary program. number of got-aways, 73,000

migrant crossings, 17,000 illegal got-aways. think about it. if this mass murderer had been deported four times, that means he came back into the country a number of times but he didn't go through the regular way. >> brian: yeah. >> steve: border patrol would have is said hey, wait a minute. border patrol turn you around. he was one of the got-aways. here's the thing. law enforcement says we don't have any clues. we have no idea where he is. why? because he clearly went back to mexico. when say the border is secure. if the border is secure that guy who murdered five people wouldn't able an able to go back to mexico and simply disappear. we may never be able to find this guy after he killed five people. how many people are actually talking bon other news outlets that the man is in the country -- was in the country

illegally? it's all about guns instead. >> i did see this morning on the overnight on cnn they did lead with illegal immigrant who they are looking for. so that's relatively encouraging. >> steve: okay there are two out of 20. >> brian: got away, 17,000. you know that number is bigger. that's one you can point. to say there's a guy i can't get. that's fine. what about the thousands not getting close? and just to see the fact that local law enforcement has got to do the border patrol. the local law enforcement, if there was an operation lone star, and whatever they are doing in arizona, it would be so much worse. costing these states additional money. costing this city more money. please tell me that there's a rationalization for this. doesn't seem like anyone benefits except for the illegal immigrants getting to our country. such a tax on on our system. >> brian: a little more than 7,000 per day. greg abbott says when title 42 ends soon he expects 13,000

illegals to cross every day. >> steve: at what point does the biden administration say okay, enough is enough? when all the other countries have nobody left? because they all want to come here because look at how generous we are. i mean, we have a much better standard of living than so many other places at the same time, it's like what exactly is the benefit for us doing that? >> brian: we won't have a great country if we're supporting other countries. 90% of them are venezuelan, a failed state. they are coming here and nicaragua a communist state. >> steve: go blame them. >> brian: in comes colombia socialist and brazil about to go communist. that's where it's heading. and the average person goes i'm out of here. i'm going to that place called america because if i get there i get to stay. my hearing is in 10 years. meanwhile canadians in college that want to stay if they don't have a job, they are throwing them out. we have these graduate students from ivy league education who want to be in america would be truly assets to our country the way we used to do things and they are told go back to your

country with the education we just gave you. which doesn't seem logical. >> let's hope they find this guy because he needs to be held responsible. >> ainsley: a fox weather alert to tell you about. six people dead and dozens injured after a dust storm caused a massive traffic pileup yesterday. >> brian: more than 70 vehicles involved in a chain reaction wreck in springfield. >> steve: today it's sunny but yesterday what a mess. >> absolutely, guys. we know that at least 37 people ranging in age from 2 years old to 80 years old went to the hospital. some of them with life-threatening injuries and tragically six people have lost their lives because of this. we're hearing some terrifying stories from drivers who were on the highway when this happened yesterday morning and you take a look at some of the conditions of these vehicles. you are talking about more than 70 involved in this.

and many of them look like this. burned, mangled metal. can you even see someone's schoolwork. books in the backseat here. this other vehicle i want to show you, the safety lights are still blinking. almost 24 hours after the whole ordeal. so, more than 70 cars involved in this, drivers describe seeing nothing but dust when it all happened. visibility reduced to zero. it's what can happen when you have the combination of loose dirt from nearby farm fields and strong winds. there were 25 mile-per-hour source stained winds when this happened around 11:00 yesterday morning. and gusts were reaching up to 4, unfortunately, a very similar wind forecast for today as crews continue toeing cars from the road over to lots like this at this hour we know that interstate 55 is closed in both directions for 20-mile stretch still this morning. guys? >> ainsley: those were all the cars involved in the accident and they moved them to this

location? >> yes. that's what crews are focused on right now. trying to remove those cars from the road. reopen that road and many of those cars are being t towed to lots like this right off the highway. >> steve: right behind you were a number of burned out cars that had spray painting on them. is that to notate that authorities have gone through to make sure that somebody wasn't in the car as far as what is notated on the car some of these spray painted words and numbers. we don't know what those mean. can i tell you state officials and police say they had to go through every single car to make sure everyone was accounted for. yesterday and we are expecting update from them this morning as well. hopefully some more information soon. >> ainsley: those two have cutters and then the other one had a number on it number 28. >> brian: all right. katie. what do you do in dust? rain you can pull over. snow, you understand.

but dust wiretaps have useless. >> steve: pull over. >> brian: see the road to know which way. >> steve: follow this and all the latest weather developments by following the fox weather app. or stream on a connected tv device. it is 7:13 about here in new york city. now, ashley joins us with news from oklahoma. >> ashley: yes, good morning, guys, oklahoma sheriff's deputies found seven bodies while searching for two missing teens last seen with a convicted rapist. two are believed to be the missing girls, 1-year-old ivy webster and 16-year-old britney brewer reported missing after they didn't return home on sunday. now, their remains were found alongside that convicted rapist. jesse mcfadden. authorities have not yet identified the other four bodies. hunter biden appearing before a judge in arkansas as his legal team claimed he paid three quarters of a million dollars in child support. hunter is petitioning to lower his monthly payments to will run

did you know roberts and 4-year-old child. house republicans say this paternity case may disclose finances help their probe into hunter's overseas business dealings. listen. >> well, this has the potential to be very helpful. first of all, what, in fact, is his income from his artwork? and who the buyers are. that's the most important part. who the buyers of this artwork are. secondly, we want to know if hunter biden has any offshore accounts. >> as for the paternity case hunter and roberts will sit down for a deposition in mid june. bud light sales plunging by whopping 26%. the beer brand facing that steep drop in demand amid backlash over controversial partnership with trans influencer dylan mulvaney. coors light and miller lite are seeing their sales spike by more than 13%. check this out the principal of a school runs for his life after a bear pops out, yep, poor bear. he was scared, too. he jumped out of a dumpster in

west virginia. he was looking for a device that was supposed to keep critters out. didn't work. >> the dumpster diving bear gone in and out of the trash all weekend long. the principal says i like wildlife and bears but prefer them more at an arm's length away. i don't know. i would probably freak out, too. >> did you see the agility of the bear, i thought he was supposed to zigzag. ains. >> ashley: how do you get away from them. >> steve: remember i showed you the video last year from my back backyard where the bear goes over to the garbage can opens it up and drags something out ons driveway. >> ainsley: you saw it on ring doorbell though. not face-to-face thank goodness. >> steve: 2:00 in the morning i think what is that noise and i looked out and there is yogi. >> brian: what happened to the days bears used to hibernate. >> steve: they are done

hibernating. that's the winter. we are now heading into summer. last week i was down in fort worth and tomorrow will cain is having breakfast with friends live from the ole south pancake house in fort worth texas. if you are out and about drop by. he is going 5:00 to 8:00 a.m. central time. >> brian: have we checked with him? do we know he is available? i was there last week in fort worth and he showed up. we played pickleball. >> i hope he is free. we made the full screen. >> steve: i would love to go another trip to look at the grand kid. >> ainsley: should you be punished for having a good credit score? new policy under president biden causing uproar how those who are responsible responsible could take a huge hit. >> brian: absolutely sinful. aaron rodgers did not play a single snap for the new york jets. the team fans. ticket sales because of that man and that number. ♪ yeah, yeah, yeah ♪

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>> steve: treasury officials from 27 states have penned a scathing letter to the president over his new mortgage policy that forces home buyers with good credit to pay higher fees in order to subsidize those who have lousy credit. the group says the quote unconscionable policy will, quote, take money away from people who played by the rules and did things right. joining us right now, we have got west virginia treasurer reilly moore and utah treasurer marlow oklahoma city. they both signed the letter.

they join us live from their respective states. reilly, let's start with you. this is not fair, is it? >> no, absolutely not. typical of the liberal agenda where there are rules in place. and when they don't get the outcomes that they desire let change the rules, right? it doesn't make any sense, it's going to create perverse incentives in the marketplace. >> steve: right. >> probably load up balance sheets sphoor smokes to understand fees credit rating how your fees are going to go up. let's say you took out a mortgage, $350,000. you put 20% down. borrowers with a higher credit score before may 1st were paying $1,750. and after may 1st, marlow, it's $3,000. that's not just like 20 bucks

here or there? that's over 1,000 bucks in fees. >> no. it's amazing to me that this kind of policy is even being suggested and then and implemented. it really is counter to the american way of doing business. we teach people, you know, as part of our financial literacy efforts here in the state to pay off your debts and increase your credit score and you'll be in a position to borrow money and now this flies in the face of that. it really distorts market as treasurer moore said. another example coming in and punishing people trying to do the right thing drawing criticism from members of cabinet. >> of course it is. they lived through the mortgage crisis that we had under

president obama. i mean, this is back to the future. right? we are potentially putting ourselves in the exact same position where people are in homes who likely really should not have been saddled with those types of mortgages and they went belly up. so we are putting ourselves in that exact same position but all in the name of woke capitalism and the liberal equity agenda putting people in a very unfair position and then at the end of the day i'm sure the federal government is going to swoop in and bail everybody out. >> steve: you know, march lo, this is ultimately redistribution of wealth, again? treasurer moore is exactly right we have been here before with the 2008- 2009 financial crisis in the name of social justice give people mortgages that can't afford them and we are just whes this going to lead? this is not going to be a good

outcome and exactly as treasurer moore said we are going to see the federal government come in with some kind of program to save us all from a bad policy that they implemented. it's just crazy. >> steve: it is crazy. we are telling folks about it because it is going on right now. treasurer moore and oaks. gentlemen, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> steve: all right. really something, right? all right. it is exactly 7:25 here in the east. coming up title 42 ends in nine days and border patrol agents are bracing for lots more coming up on the border. here's another number. and it's just as staggering. it's the number of cases pending in migration courts. our next guest came to the country legally from communist albania. his reaction to those pictures coming up next on "fox & friends." ♪ but static says “whoa.” try bounce lasting fresh dryer sheets. ♪

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peter was born and raised in communist albania before immigrating here and he joins us now. good morning to you. >> good morning thank you for having me. >> ainsley: we heard your story before. you did it the right way. came were your brothers left behind father and brother. he was persecuted and kill. tell us what happened. >> look, when my brothers and i decided to escape albania, it was a communist country at that time. we had to leave at night pretty much and entire family picked up taken to concentration camp. they tortured my father to death because they failed to notify the government that his sons were seeking freedom and opportunity in leaving albania. the way we were processed overseas we had to go to a refugee camp. we were fingerprinted, background investigation was conducted. we had to wait for nine months until we found a sponsor to come to the united states properly. i waited for seven years until i saw my mother again. and she had to go through the

process. we had to sponsor her. we became american citizens and then we were able to file a petition for her and we did the same thing for my brothers. waited 13 years. the whole family able to come here legally. what is happening right now we are pretty much, the federal government is enticing illegal immigration. illegal immigrants to come to the united states. not for the american dream any longer be enticing them to come here now for the benefits we provide and that is not the right way to do it. >> ainsley: people are coming across the border and waiting 10 years to get in front of a court. did you it the right way. what does america mean to you? because we do take it for granted. and hearing your story just reminded me of how blessed i am. i didn't have to go through that my father is still alive and wasn't persecuted. you have law firms now. you actually ran under the republican ticket in the primary for governor of the great state of connecticut. >> that is correct.

the american dream when i wrote the book "my father's prayers" refugee story for freedom and opportunity i firmly believe we made to the united states because my father prayed a lot that one day his son could say live in freedom and opportunity. once we came to the united states, we found that opportunity. i started flipping burgers when i came to the united states. i doorman and able to go to college. i went to law school and became an attorney. and, you know, the american dream is achievable and still out there. sometimes it breaks my heart when i hear american born citizens being critical of what america has to offer. i think america is the greatest country in the world millions of people wanting to come to the united states. american dream and the american family. >> what is your message to the administration as we are seeing our country go more towards socialism. you left the communist country and when you know title 42 is about to end? >> look, i think that whether we

like it or not socialism is coming to the united states and the failed liberal policies that were implemented in the united states are exactly what led behind eastern europe years ago. and it didn't work anywhere else in the world. what i hear is democratic socialism. you cannot implement socialism in the world without using brutal force against the population eventually. this is not good for the future of this country and the future of our children and grandchildren and generations to come. so i think that, you know, republicans and independents and even democrats coming to america should stand up to this kind of ideology that is being brought to the united states and implemented here. >> ainsley: well, you are a great american, peter, we are so glad you made it here safely. you have a beautiful family. we were showing pictures earlier y thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much for having me. have great day. >> ainsley: you are welcome. one we're since the shocking leak of the supreme court dobbs draft decision and nobody has been held accountable still.

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>> steve: my how time flies one year since unidentified leaker set off a firestorm by releasing a draft of the supreme court's historic ruling on the dobbs case. >> ainsley: last week supreme court justice samuel alito addressed the incident telling the "wall street journal," quote: i personally have a pretty good idea who is responsible that's different from the level of proof that is needed to name somebody. >> brian: all right, former labor secretary and attorney eugene scalia, father is justice scalia, of course, served on the high court for 30 years. eugene, great to see you, mr. secretary. your thoughts about the fact that we have alito coming out saying with the resources given, we can't definitively prove who

did this? i'm thinking to myself who is depriving him of resources to do something so important? >> well, it was obviously a very, very bad day for the court. very bad day for the country as well. the marshals office of court connected what appears to have been a thorough search. the chief justice also had mark chertoff a former judge, a former head of homeland security take a look at the investigation and indicate that it was a thorough investigation. so i think they made the efforts they could to find somebody, maybe they at some point will find who did it. but it was -- as i say, a very bad day for the court to just give you a little perspective on how important confidentiality is to the justices, they have never had a leak like this before at all. >> and after my father died, i had responsibility for determining what would be done with his court papers, his draft

opinions, his memoranda to the justices. and those are still not publicly available. draft opinions from decades ago. and that's pursuant to confidentiality that would have been important to him and that was important to the current members of the court. i will never forget justice kennedy who was still on the court at the time when i mentioned to him that i was trying to determine what restrictions to put in the papers, justice kennedy, who is just a little taller than i am leaned in and said to me, you know, gene, your father's papers are my papers, too. what he meant by that was, he didn't want his memos to my father, his draft opinions being out there in the public realm even years later because that was a threat to the functioning of the court. so just imagine how they viewed the release of a current draft and a current case. as affecting the court. and ultimately, affecting the country, too. because how important it is that the court function well and justice alito was obviously very

troubled by the ongoing harassment of the justices. >> steve: eugene, you know, there has been speculation, maybe it was actually one of the justices who did it, could be a conservative justice, could have been a progressive justice, and ultimately, that would be highly embarrassing for the court. and that's why they had the marshals do it and not calling the fbi. i mean, a lot of from what i have read and you probably know better than anybody, a lot of it was kind of the honor system. they just called people in and said hey, do you do this? and that was it. >> well, look, i don't blame the supreme court for not wanting to call in president biden's fbi to rummage through its papers and interview its personnel. they weren't going to do it. i also, i have to tell you, i don't believe that it would have been one of the justices. i think that all of the justices we have are hardworking well-meaning people who respect that institution. >> i think it's most likely was a clerk who was seeking to intimidate the justices and

potentially even bring threats upon them. don't forget, what the leader of our senate said about three years ago, directly in front of the court to justices kavanaugh and gain of function research. he said you have released the whirlwind. he said you will pay the price. you won't know what hit you this was the head of our senate. >> brian: schumer. >> violence toward the court. >> and so the current president doesn't miss an opportunity january 6th and talk about how he supports the institutions of our democracy. but we have critical institution that is being harassed right now. and it would be good to see this administration show more concern, take more action to enable that court to function the way it needs to. >> ainsley: i'm sure your dad would have been appalled when he seen the reaction and all of the protests in front of the justices homes. alito did tell the "wall street journal" that he is admission the fact it was a justice. he doesn't think it was one of the justices.

thank you so much for joining us, eugene. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> ainsley: let's hand it over to ashley for headlines. >> we're going to start in texas. police in austin pull a car out of the lake boyd's of four men discovered this year no. remains found inside that vehicle yesterday but it was riddled with bullet holes. authorities investigating a string of murders say they have not seen evidence of a serial killer yet. police say several men of the men found dead in the lake had last been seen near a popular strip of bars. discount store tuesday morning is going out of business after 49 years. they are set to close all stores over 480 nationwide as part of a court approved bankruptcy sale for $32 million. this is weight loss company jenny craig is breepg to shut its corporate office as soon as friday. the company could file for bankruptcy this week and warning of mass layoffs. president biden will end covid-19 vaccine mandates for

federal employees, contractors and international travelers next week. they will expire may 11th the same day the covid public health emergency ends. the move means tennis super star novak djokovic will be able to play at this year's u.s. open. 22 times grand slam winner had to miss the grand slam tournament last year because is he not vaccinated. aaron rodgers has not played a snap for the new york jets yet. team winning in a big way. the jets have seen 400 percent spike in new season ticket in sales compared to last year. jump coming after the trade for the star quarterback. team owner celebrating posting this video of staffers ringing the season ticket bell. headlines back to you. >> steve: everyone wanting to seat jets, jets, jets. >> ainsley: i look woody johnson. have you met him before? >> brian: nice guy. ambassador of new england left

it to his brother. and his brother lost like woody did. now things are going to change, i think, for the jets. >> ainsley: nice guy. thank you, ashley. >> steve: out on the streets of new york city she's got an because oh, it's raining. >> janice: it is raining. it's not dampening my spirits at all. take a look at the maps. because we have rain on the east and west coast. there is new york city, 47 currently. with some showers in the forecast. and that's going to kind of linger for the next couple of days. we have something called an owe owuh-oh mega block happening. in between area of high pressure for the central u.s. looks like snow is in the forecast for parts of the great lakes even the interior northeast and the mountains of west virginia. look at some of these storm totals. over 17 inches for parts of michigan and even wisconsin. over the last 24 hours. and we are going to set some record cold highs today in some

of these regions as that omega block continues to take over the nation. and then for the west coast, more rain along the coast and snow for the mountains moving in towards the southwest. some of that energy is going to move across the central u.s. later this week bringing the potential for severe storms. there is your forecast again. the temperatures remain warming for the south. cooler for the east coast and the west coast. in between that area of high pressure is going to bring dry conditions. and also a lot of sunshine, which could also up the wildfire danger. so that's one of the big concerns that we're going to have. this is the omega block we have been talking about. fox weather.com is all over it. it just means this pattern is going to stay in place for the next couple of days. all right. steve, ainsley, brian, over to you. >> steve: she is doing the weather and teaching us stuff about the omega blocks. >> ainsley: like the umbrella januaryian it's kate's umbrella because, again i forgot to bring

the umbrella outside. >> brian: quite floury. >> janice: it's polka dots. >> steve: circles. speaking of airlines cannot blame mother nature which they have been doing. who is at fault according to brand new report. we are going to tell you coming up and it's not the weather. >> ainsley: first, former president trump is expanding his lead over former governor ron desantis. our next guest says don't count ron desantis out. >> steve: that rhymes. ♪ boom, crack ♪ make me feel good ♪ come on to me ♪ now, boom, crack ♪ the sound of my heart ♪ the beat goes on and on and on and on and on ♪ boom, crack ♪ you make me feel good ♪ come on to me ♪ come on to me ♪ ♪ cuddly shaped promises. each with a time and a place they've been promised to be.

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is. >> ashley: back with a few quick headlines, singer songwriter ed shear ren will quit music if is he convicted. he made the claim on a stand yesterday in a new york courtroom. is he accused of plagiarism by gave's co-writer the british musician called a&e adorable of princess charlotte grinning from

ear to ear. posting this photo ahead of her 8th birthday today. we are learning new details for king charles' coronation it appears prince harry will be snubbed. prince william the only member of the royal family have a speaking role. piers morgan will join ainsly to coverage this saturday coverage begins at 5:00 a.m. eastern time. brian, over to you. >> brian: desantis backed florida tourism board escalating the battle yesterday as the governor prepares to launch presidential exploratory committee. you know desantis is fighting back. latest fox poll shows president trump donald trump with a lead over the governor and solid second. next guest argues desantis can get back in the game if he eases up on the culture wars and and courts moderates. harris poll chairman mark penn joins us now. mark, if you are desantis, you are back home after your foreign tripp, where do you start?

>> well, you are going to have to do a reset. challenge presidential campaigns and facing a lead like that from donald trump often face which is well, you tried a few things. you signed a six week. disney. you were donald trump has strengthened his lead. governor desantis has moved back about 10 points from where he was, you know, a couple months ago. got to reset and reestablish the campaign and got to change the message. got to do something. >> brian: maga world loved desantis before running against donald trump. say you are younger, more discipline in how do you do it? >> instead of cultural conservatism, try competence, try common sense, try character. here is someone who took care of his wife who had cancer. who is somebody who really is,

you know, strong, vital and young and can contrast against both trump and biden and someone who showed common sense during covid and kept the economy going and created jobs. look, running on these things that are ideological that got him reelected those are the kind of things a little harder to do. you don't get all the click bait and everything that you put out there with these cultural stories. he is not going to get the ultra maga voters so to speak. he is going to get more moderate, centrist, older republican voters who want the party to take a change from donald trump. >> brian: but, mark, he did run on this is where woke comes to die. did he get a lot of points taking on disney unlike what brian kemp did in georgia where basically the corporations ran all over them when they came up with that phoney story about jim crow 2.0 and the voting situation. >> it was a good start but then he signed the six week abortion ban. you know, most people in america are comfortable with 16 weeks,

they really don't like the six weeks because women who don't know if they're pregnant yet. you push things too far. and so that rather than be known as the really confident person who could come in here against, you know, someone who is seen as erratic and so forth rather than being able to do that and fight the primary that way. is he stuck in cultural issues and he is losing voters that says to me people think he is less winnable when he is over farther on the right. >> brian: whole thing too he wasn't actually in the race. the president was in six months before. so, if you are governor desantis, how do you deal with the direct attacks on you from the trump team? how do you do? attack back? ignore it look straight ahead? what do you do? >> well, a, you have got to change the subject to what you want to talk about. things like the economy and covid. you were successful. and, b, you got to push back. he says you are cutting social security and medicare.

you have got to say donald trump is a big spender, running up the debt. and that debt is going to, you know, inhibit the future of all americans. so you have got to push back with -- you know, look, i'm about issues. i don't like the politics of personal destruction here. i think the more desantis runs a campaign on issues, the better it will be for the country. >> brian: no doubt about it. president trump looks at him as his biggest obstacle. we will see what happens when he officially gets. in mark penn, appreciate your column. thank you so much for joining us today. >> thank you. >> brian: coming up straight ahead 4-year-old girl could give america answers how the biden family gets their money. a live report on hunter biden's high stakes court battle top of the hour. don't move. ♪ ♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪ hey, man. you could save hundreds

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