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>> sandra: a great piece he wrote there, really important questions, and we have some important questions for him as well. i'm sandra smith in new york. great to begin another week with you, john. jonathan turley says if the white house truly wants transparency, now is the time to open up about the files. here is -- he will join us this hour. plus, we are following the twists and turns in the alec murdaugh double murder case and today defense attorneys got one witness to admit on the stand there could have been a second shooter. >> john: nancy grace is in the courtroom in south carolina following the case in-person. we will get her reaction to that bombshell all new at 2:00. but we begin with a fox news alert. if the bell did not tell the tale, it is a fox news alert. border agents are busy cracking down on illegal crossers at our southern border, authorities are now seeing a spike up north. migrants now braving the freezing cold temperatures along the 49th parallel and risking it

all to come into the united states. >> sandra: and once they are here, cities don't know where to house them, like the city of chicago. officials are pushing ahead with plans to move hundreds of migrants into an old school there, and folks who live there not happy about those plans. >> john: on the coast of the big apple, mayor eric adams at his breaking point. migrants camping out in midtown manhattan today, after refusing to leave a cushy hotel to be taken to a migrant shelter at a nearby cruise terminal. >> sandra: david lee miller on the dire situation here in manhattan. >> john: grady trimble is live on the controversy there. that's the school i take it you are standing in front of. >> it is, john, and the people in the neighborhood say the city of chicago never asked them how they feel about the plan to turn this vacant school into a

migrant shelter, the city is going ahead with the plan and people spoke out against it. >> we are tired of begging for what we already own, which is the right to live peacefully and to not have our communities turned upside down on a whim of your plan. we, woodlawn residents, are opposed to this plan. we resent it, and we will not accept it. >> still going to go through the project no matter what. you are helping people different countries instead of helping people in this country. >> nearly 4,000 migrants have been bussed to chicago from texas so far. the former school on the city's south side could house as many as 250 of those migrants. the city says it's using more than 5 million in taxpayer dollars from fema to pay for the migrant shelter and provide

other resources for migrants. another $20 million from state taxpayers and city officials are asking for additional $50 million to provide resources for migrants in the current year. despite the pushback from the neighborhood, the city says they could move into the old school as soon as today, john. >> john: grady trimble on the ground in chicago. thank you. >> sandra: migrants housed in a new york city hotel are refusing to leave after they want to mover them to a newly opened shelter. david lee. >> sandra, at this hour there is a standoff taking place between the migrants and new york city officials. take a look behind me, get a glimpse of what's taking place here just outside hells kitchen neighborhood in manhattan. a few dozen migrants on the streets say they will not move, they were single men who were told they had to leave their rooms to make room for migrants

with families, including women and children. the plan for all the single men to be relocated to a cruise line terminal in brooklyn, many say it's not acceptable and want better quality housing. they are not being allowed back into the hotel. a few dozen migrants refuse to leave. some holdouts were refused this afternoon. a number boarded buses taking them to the brooklyn site. just as many decided to camp out on the street outside the hotel. new york city homeless outreach workers have tried to tell them it's not an option, one of the migrants from dominican republic, wilson, broke down in tears discussing his plight. he told me he came here to work and is not being treated humanely. he says it's cold, and not enough bathrooms and they lock the doors at 11:00, difficult to keep a job. the mayor's office issued a

statement, facilities at brooklyn cruise terminal will provide the same services as every other humanitarian center in the city and the scheduled relocations to the brooklyn cruise terminal took place as planned. we remain in serious need from the state and federal governments. it's not certain what's going to happen to the migrants living on the street. temperatures right now, around 50°. later this week they are expected to drop significantly into the 20s. they do not have the clothing ab the gear to withstand those temperatures. mayor adams is saying the city is overwhelmed by the sheer number of migrants, 46,000 since spring. the migrants for their part say they deserve better quality housing. the city argues it cannot afford. back to you. >> sandra: david lee miller on that, thank you. john. >> john: let's bring in byron york, chief political correspondent at the washington examiner and fox news

contributor, i was looking up the watson hotel online, good reviews but the website, a big banner on the landing page saying they have suspended operations until further notice. big cities finally are getting a taste of what the border communities have been going through for years. >> it is, and i think a lot of americans would watch what david lee miller just reported from the watson hotel in manhattan and think it's entirely crazy, that it's just upside down, that you have a large group of people who essentially broke into the country, they entered the united states illegally, and instead of -- instead of forcing them to return to mexico where they had crossed from, the united states scrambles to find hotel rooms and then when it tries to move them from a hotel room to a shelter specifically created for the purpose, they protest, and start talking about collective

action. it just seems something out of a movie, seems upside down. >> john: david lee miller was reporting the migrants, most of them single men, might all be single men, don't want to leave the confines from the hells kitchen district of new york because they don't want to go to a brooklyn cruise ship terminal, it does not have the same creature comforts as the hotel does, meantime it's all free for them. how much is it costing -- new york city has allocated $275 million to house these illegal migrants. $55,000 per migrant. this is costing a tremendous amount of money and yet the biden administration continues to allow people to come across the border unabated. >> yeah, mayor adams has just signed that $275 million contract with the hotel association, but the city estimates that it's probably going to spend around a billion dollars total on dealing with

just this migrant wave and the situation in chicago is the same as well in the woodlawn neighborhood, local people are concerned about a large group of migrants moving into the area. >> john: saying they were not consulted. >> a strain on social services, puts a strain on schools, what about bi-lingual teachers, what's going on there? it's -- it's a huge shock to a neighborhood and you are right, big cities are getting a feel from what border communities have felt for a long time, and also this has been going on under other presidents, not at this scale, but certainly at a smaller scale across the whole country, and it does create tensions inside city governments. >> john: there was that study that was done by the heritage foundation, that you and i talked about, tracked cell phones along the border for a month, people who were coming into the country illegally and

found 30 days the signals had spread far and wide to every congressional district from the city. and a spokesman said more than 42,000 asylum seekers have arrived in new york city since last spring and we continue to surpass our moral obligations as we provide asylum seekers with shelter, food, healthcare, education and other services. read between the lines, what more can we do here? we are trying to set you up with a place you can comfortably exist while your asylum process goes through, but no, you insist on being at this hotel where we need to put other people. >> yeah, it's -- it's kind of poetic justice for the sank sue area policies of a number of sanc sanctuary cities and jurisdictions. the city government of new york

does not want to spend their own money for this, they want to get federal money and will undoubtedly get a lot. this has been the policy of the biden administration, but you know, moving to national politics, this has got to keep this as a very, very hot issue on capitol hill and there is a presidential race starting up right now. it's going to be an enormously contentious issue as republicans see an obvious opportunity to try to change policies and democrats don't know quite what to do. >> john: it's going to be a big issue, no question about that. byron, great to see you on a monday as we kick off a brand-new week. >> thank you, john. >> john: and i think byron is absolutely right. it's going to be a big issue for the next two years and the upcoming presidential and congressional campaign. >> sandra: the pictures are powerful you are seeing in so many places, and right here in new york city what's happening inside that hotel, outside that hotel, and you are hearing from

the residents in these areas. it's just a growing problem every single day, john. >> john: the fact that residents in the woodlawn neighborhood were not even consulted by the city about that old school being turned into a migrant shelter, it's a very big deal for those folks. >> sandra: it is. we'll watch that. meanwhile this, it could be one of the biggest breakthroughs, a program that can answer about any question and perform jobs in mere seconds that would take humans in some cases a whole day to do. so, how concerned should americans be about a.i. coming to take their jobs? >> john: also you might wonder where you can buy stock in that, well you can't. iranian american activist on iran's hit list for years is demanding a meeting with president biden, that's after more people are arrested and accused in the iranian plot to silence her by murder. she is live in the studio what

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>> a.i. and implications are taking center stage in public discourse. we must collaborate with international partners like the israeli government to ensure the united states maintains a leadership role in a.i. research. >> sandra: so that was massachusetts congressman, but those were not the congressman's own words on the house floor. his speech about the need for the government to rein in artificial intelligence was written entirely by, wait for it, artificial intelligence. >> john: we have seen a.i. technology rolling out over the last few years, but interest has exploded in the last few weeks. ever since a ground breaking new

tool went public. analyst called chat gpt a game changer, and advanced a.i. is raising concerns over privacy rights to the american economy. >> sandra: everybody is talking about it. what do we need to know, lydia. >> we are right with the launch of chat gpt, we are witnessing the power of artificial intelligence, generate real estate listings, pass tests, and responding to human emotions. while some raise questions about ethical deployment of the technology, opportunities for investment abound. a.i. market is exploding. the global market value reached nearly $120 billion last year. and it is expected to exceed one and a half trillion dollars by 2030. now microsoft is partnering with open a.i., the maker, marrying

chat gbt with bing presents an opportunity to compete with google. but google long considered a leader in a.i. is said to be refocusing in investment in artificial technology and roll out a now product like a chat bot this spring. and despite trimming 11,000 jobs, argeting, asrs from priva and hume a.i., raised $12 million with -- and has hundreds of clients like call centers. and now a chinese company plans to launch a chat gbt style robot in march, it appears the race is on between america and china to be the leader in artificial

intelligence. sandra, john. back to you. >> sandra: ok. very interesting stuff. whether or not this is going to take all the jobs away, i don't know. thanks to lydia hu for the story. john, a debate many are having and there are some who think it's going to take over the world. >> john: and one of the big issues as well is, you know, if you are in high school or you are in college and you are writing an essay, these a.i. programs are so good, it's difficult to know if it was written by a person or written by an a.i. app. a big challenge in the years ahead. >> sandra: a lot of pop quizzes now, right? >> john: i guess, or you have to write your essay in front of the professor. i don't know. concerns over artificial intelligence are more dire when the technology is in the hands of u.s. rivals, and with so much at stake in a.i., china, as you can imagine, is already hard at work trying to one-up the west. the communist country set to

roll out its own version in march, as china outpaces the united states in several areas of technology, seismic shift in the world order as we have come to know it. it's a big worry for the head of the senate intelligence committee, listen here. >> we led virtually in every innovation area. we woke up with 5g communication, china was setting the standards. we woke up in an industry like semiconductor chips and we used to own it and lost it. i don't care where you fall on the political spectrum, it's not good news or for free people in the world. >> john: adding to the pentagon struggle to keep up, the military is busy scrambling to just keep up with the basics, things like artillery shells and howitzers. just what we need, jennifer,

another big challenge. >> defense secretary lloyd austin arrived in south korea where he's expected to ask for direct military support for ukraine as the war continues to consume massive stockpiles of weapons and ammunition that the u.s. might need in the future. u.s. defense officials are trying to put together creative solutions in the near term to prevent future shortages resulting from the fast burn rate, pulling from its own weapons stockpiles in south korea and israel, both have refused to provide to ukraine when asked. the pentagon will boost production of 155 millimeter artillery shells by 500% within two yeersz, levels not seen since the korean war. last year ukraine used nearly 3,000 rounds a day. prior to the invasion, 14,400 shells, the u.s. produced a

month. they say production will rise to 90,000. over 1 million rounds have been sent to ukraine so far. top lawmakers are sounding the alarm. >> our defense industrial base is broken. >> i completely agree with chairman mccaul. it's a huge problem. we don't have the industrial base or the ability to ramp up the base. we need to increase the ability to surge when we need it, means we need to increase our manufacturing base for key weapons systems. >> not just u.s. stockpiles. the u.k. as well. a general warned that the british army would no longer be considered a top level fighting force after decades of cuts, saying the u.k. would run out of ammunition in a few days if called upon to fight. the pentagon press secretary told reporters we are not doing anything that's going to affect our readiness or ability to meet

our national security requirements. a report from csic, a leading washington think tank warned the u.s. military would run out of prec prec precision munitions in a week. >> sandra: and iran, plotting assassinations of their critics, even here on u.s. soil. justice department announcing more charges receipted to the plot to kill an activist right here in new york city. her crime, speaking out against iran's oppression of women. thank you for being here, mahsi. you and i have spoken over the years and we know the situation you are in. you told me a moment ago you are living safe house to safe house, having to move periodically to avoid this threat that you have

faced for so long. why do you continue to do it, why do you continue to speak up? >> the reason that i came to the united states of america is to practice my freedom of speech because iranians are facing guns and bullets right now, they don't have any voice, they don't have any media. look, right now that i'm talking to you, women are facing rape in prison. many women are being shot in their eyes and blinded, men and women together, just because of peacefully demanding freedom, dignity, democracy. i cannot just say ok, now i'm in safe haven, then i'm not going to talk about them. >> sandra: you fled in 2009. after that you wrote a piece in the "new york times" about what forced you to flee your homeland and that is when these throwing threats emerged. now three men enlisted to assassinate you just trying to speak up for those in iran so

that they can have a voice. i mean, the details of the findings of these men and these charges, these are newly unsealed documents in manhattan just revealed last week and the fbi informed you of the charges of the two other men on friday, masih, one man in yonkers, charged with murder for hire, money laundering. >> and i see this guy in front of my house, i get goose bumps. look, this is twice that a foreign country hired, you know, members of crime organization from eastern europe to assassinate me, to kill me on u.s. soil. that means actually that iranian regime is trying to challenge u.s. authorities. >> to be clear, the man on the screen, the 24-year-old arrested in july. found with a loaded ak-47 style rifle outside of your house. >> exactly, and he was not

alone. so recently the fbi actually informed me that he was part of a crime syndicate from eastern europe and two other men got arrested this week now. three men, three killers are in new york in prison. but what i want is very, very clear that now the u.s. government should take a strong action because this is a national security issue. and imagine the guy had opened fire. how many of my neighbors in brooklyn would have been killed. my stepchildren, you know, so it's not about me, i'm not scared for my life as you know me for years, i'm not going to give up. but this is scary, in front of the eyes of free world trying to assassinate a u.s. citizen. >> you did receive a letter from president biden, that is

correct? >> yes. >> sandra: you are demanding, ok, that was nice but you want him to meet with you. >> exactly. it has been twice, i was a target of assassination plot and kidnapping plot and i deserve to meet the president of the united states of america. >> sandra: what would you say to him? >> first of all, i am thankful. this is very heartbreaking that my own country where i was born, the government is trying to kill me. adopted country, united states of america is trying to protect me but i think the u.s. government can do more. first, i want president biden to clearly lay out iran policy, we have to know that. whether the u.s. government, one day sanctioned the clerics, but the next day they want to negotiate with the same killers. so i want president biden now because the u.s. government put revolution guards on the terrorist list, this is the time

that u.s. government can take the lead and press the e.u., the european countries, the american allies to designate it as a terrorist organization. it's a threat to the people in region, to people in ukraine, they are sending drones. america has to be tough against them. >> sandra: keep us posted where this goes, should you get the meeting, we would love to follow where that goes next and our thoughts are with you. >> thank you so much for hosting. >> sandra: as you continue on your brave fight. john, something to talk to masih, and she's not afraid for her own life but those around her, her neighbors, for speaking out for the women who are brutally assaulted in her home country. >> john: and you can imagine how

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the biden document scandal. the justice department is working to brief the senate intelligence committee on the documents found at both the biden and trump properties but may not be enough for the lawmakers. they want to see the documents themselves. we will get reaction from jonathan turley in a moment, but first the white house, jacqui heinrich as the latest for us. doj letter was sent saturday night. what more do we know about that? >> sandra, the letter to the intelligence committee of each party says the department of justice understands what the intelligence committee is looking for, they don't give any sort of a timeline. the assistance attorney general writes to senators warner and rubio, we are working with the office of the director of national intelligence to support the provision of information to satisfy the responsibilities without harming the special

counsel investigations. much more accommodating response from doj than they gave to house republicans some eight days earlier, they wrote to congressman jim jordan and mike johnson, disclosures to congress about active investigations risk jeopardizing those investigations and creating the appearance congress may be exerting improper political pressure or influencing decisions. matters run by special counsel have specific regulations. govern in all probes, it's not clear from the two doj letters, one to the house and one to the senate what the differences were in the material that they were asking for, but senate republicans say this is a good development. >> this is a little better, but frankly, it's not going to be acceptable until we get access to all the classified materials. we don't care about the investigation. that's up to the department of

justice. but what we do care about american national security and what these documents might reveal. >> meanwhile, the white house counsel's office wants people to see new positive polling arounds the documents issue. ian sams passing a cbs poll, 54% of americans think president biden is handling the documents investigation well. the white house not answering many questions about all of this and trying to highlight the president's achievements. today in baltimore, the infrastructure law, he'll be doing the same thing tomorrow in new york. sandra. >> sandra: and we'll be watching for that. john. >> john: fox news contributor, jonathan turley. so, jonathan, as the investigation goes on and the classified documents found in various locations throughout the mid atlantic region in the possession of joe biden, now growing calls for the university of delaware to open up the doors on the so-called ok box of all of the documents, 1850 boxes

worth, from his time in the senate. can we make the logical assumption that if there were classified documents found in his possession at his home in delaware from his time as senator, there just might by 1 or 2 at the university of delaware. >> well, john, we know that the risk is obviously clear, you know, you have a president who appears as senator to have removed material while he was a member of the senate, that was classified. we also have heard reports that he wrote classified material into notebooks that were also seized. there is a huge trove rainfall documents from that period sitting at the university of delaware. some of us have been highly critical of this relationship. biden's converted the university into a giant safety deposit box. you know, universities are supposed to be places of higher

learning. they are supposed to be places for access to information. but the bidens have converted the university of delaware into this lock box. and it's astonishing to me that the university has allowed itself to be used for these purposes. people have been trying to get access to those documents on issues, including alleged sexual assault or harassment allegations from biden's period in the senate. we now have the possibility that they could contain classified information. but the university has continued to stonewall. they have actually spent public money to resist efforts of the media to gain access to these documents. >> john: you wrote about this in "the new york post" and sent out a tweet about it, presumably this is the one question that karine jean-pierre could actually answer. if the president is striving to be very transparent he should be able to tell the university of delaware his records should be open to outside review.

how long are these things going to stay, jonathan, in a lock box before they are eventually released? >> that's what's bizarre. the university is not trying to come up with a plausible rationale, they are focusing on technical exceptions to state disclosure laws. but you know, you have jean-pierre who has said repeatedly the president wants transparency. and that's a virtual mantra. well, ok. this is the president who said you can take of word of a biden, let's take it. he wants transparency, and he can pick up the phone in 30 seconds open up the files for review. even if he's unwilling to do that after so many years, he could at least allow an independent third party to look for specific files on things like sexual harassment, and

allow the fib to look for classified material. >> john: we learned today alvin bragg is giving information to a grand jury regarding the payments sent to stormy daniels. >> he received a lot of pressure, he faced a revolt on his staff and also new yorkers. this was originally a federal crime that was being investigated, the feds decided not to charge it, it's often a misdemeanor. this is a very long distance to go. it's like for bragg to go to the bronx by way of boise. it has taken a lot of effort to pursue something that is usually a misdemeanor. >> john: jonathan turley with his latest legal thoughts. thanks, john. >> sandra: disturbing new details in the case of an l.s.u.

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>> john: day four on the alec murdaugh murder trial. our next guest is honing in on one piece of evidence she says is critical for the prosecution. nancy grace live from outside the courthouse in south carolina just ahead. but first, troubling new details in the rape of 19-year-old l.s.u. sophomore madison brooks. one of the suspects, 18-year-old now faces a separate rape charge related to the sexual sexual assault of a 12-year-old girl. casey stegall live in dallas with details. what do we know about that alleged crime? >> apparently happened in 2020 and the case had gone cold until a witness came forward with new information, according to police. so 18-year-old washington now charged with first-degree rape according to arrest records, linked to the assault of the

12-year-old girl at an apartment swimming pool three years ago. washington was among three others recentsly charged with the january 13th rape of college student madison brooks. police say they dropped the victim off on the side of the road where she was accidentally struck by a rideshare driver. earlier that evening, brooks will be partying at a local ba are where she met the suspects and later seen leaving with them. maddy's family outaged by lawyers representing the accused suggesting she did consent to sex. >> we are not going to allow any victim blaming to occur here, she was a victim of a horrific rape which led to her death. >> lawyers representing the suspects say this surveillance video from outside the bar obtained by news affiliate wafb helps prove his clients are innocent because it shows madison brooks chasing after the guys. they also question the accuracy of the victim's blood alcohol

level. investigators said it was nearly four times over the legal limit. this lawyer is not so sure, listen. >> the understandable anger in the community wants someone to pay for her death. and we understand that. but our clients did not do that. >> funeral services for madison brooks are scheduled for later this week in louisiana. john. >> john: casey, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: brand-new week in the alex murdaugh murder trial, the jury hears from more witnesses, this is day four of the trial, including the special agent to oversaw the crime scene. the defense took the chance to poke holes in the evidence. >> there was a bloody footprint that turned out to be law enforcement. >> yes. >> is that preservation of the scene, that your standards require? >> not exactly, no. >> not exactly. should the police be walking

through the scene? >> no. >> do we know what other evidence they may have destroyed? >> i have no idea. >> that's right, we don't. >> sandra: murdaugh's attorney suggesting evidence was not preserved correctly at that crime scene and our next guest was just in that courtroom and as she prepares to host her fox nation special on the murders. how big of a moment in this trial was that? >> well, you know what, the defense, harpootlian built it up to a huge climax but i think when the jury goes back to the jury room to start their deliberations, yes, there was evidence, evidence that was muddled in that dog pen where the victims' blood was found, people were walking around, but that does not negate the fact

that alex murdaugh was there at the scene, caught in a snapchat video about his son ten minutes before the murder and he visits his mother who has alzheimer's and cannot be a witness, and comes back, whoopsy, and 50 minutes to an hour somebody sneaks in and guns them both down? we are also learning about a big brouhaha about the trajectory path of the bullets, and that is where harpootlian is claiming there could have been a second shooter. that was a bomb dropped in the courtroom today, two shooters, what? and what we learned, though -- >> sandra: could i play that sound out, we have that on the possibility of two shooters, listen. >> one explanation would be -- would be two shooters. >> i wasn't there. >> no, no, but one explanation of the data would be two shooters. one explanation.

not the, but one. >> not the only. >> yeah, not the only one, but it is a reasonable explanation, just like one shooter running up that way, correct? >> sure. >> so a -- one of the reasonable explanations is there are two people there, there are two guns there, one is a shotgun, one an ar, and we now see that that ar is being shot from way up here. >> sandra: to your point, nancy, that was a bomb. >> that was a bomb, right in the courtroom, the thought of two shooters? that would blow the state's theory straight out of the water that alex murdaugh is the shooter. but wait a minute, don't fall for that. because maggie, the mother, margaret murdaugh, had stippling on her skin, that's burning on your skin because the gun is so close to you when the bullet is fired. it actually burns and sears your skin. that completely negates the theory there is some sniper out in a tree or someone far away

shooting at them. the killer was right there in there, and you notice when the expert on the stand said yeah, it's possible, you know it's possible that little green men from mars beamed down and committed a double murder but is it probable, no, it's not. >> sandra: i want to play out a promo clip from the new special, murdaugh family murders, a timeline, forensic pathologist. >> mother was shot with a high powered rifle. typically it goes in smooth but it comes out, explosive and expansive. to be shot multiple times with that, it's a devastating wound. the totality of the circumstances around the scene, they felt, these two people, at least one of them, if not both, were targeted. >> sandra: nancy, you are on the scene there, you are telling this from a perspective none of us have, the murdaugh family

murders, a timeline, hosted by you, nancy grace, available on foxnation.com. ten seconds left, nancy, if you can tell us about it. >> well, we delve into the timeline which is critical here, because i believe the timeline itself shows murdaugh was at the scene of the murders at the time they were committed. >> sandra: sorry, nancy, if i could follow up, live inside the courtroom now and just showing alex murdaugh right now. i have a few extra seconds with you, nancy. as we watch this play out, we saw in the initial days of this trial just how emotional he got and we are watching him again here. he's been pretty calm today for those of us who have been watching this pretty closely. any other light you want to shed what we have seen from day four of this trial? >> yes, there is. >> sandra: go ahead. >> i watched him, i stood up in my seat to see him walk into the

courtroom. he's cool, he's calm, he's collected, he's charming. i saw him make a bee line for a blonde lady sitting at the defense table, very animated speaking to her. but you know what, when they put up the pictures, and i saw them, maggie's blood and paul's blood all over everything, he didn't blink twice. i'm watching him. no emotion at all at his son's murder photos. >> sandra: you have been in a lot of courtrooms and you have seen a lot of awful crimes. nancy grace, we'll be watching the special and your coverage from there. thank you very much. >> thank you, thank you. >> sandra: interesting perspective there, she's been inside the courtroom during the trial and something to watch his reaction. at times he does react and show emotion, and other times you would expect he would show emotion and he does not, john.

>> john: you have to wonder what reactions are going on in his mind, genuine remorse, is it that my life is over, is it just acting, you don't really know here, because if what he is charged with is true, and he blew his son's head off and then shot his wife several times with a high powered rifle, that's the sort of person that has a few issues and you've got to wonder what exactly is going through his mind at any moment in time. >> sandra: he's got a lot of issues now, we'll watch that as the trial moves into another day here, john. >> john: to the white house briefly and the president -- sorry, not the white house, we are going to baltimore. which is a little ways a away from the white house, and replacings the potomac tunnel, i

drive through the tunnels just about every weekend going to lacrosse up in howard county. so tunnels are a big part of life up there, no question. >> sandra: very interesting. ok, so that will continue there. that is happening live on the ground in baltimore, maryland. the president is speaking on his infrastructure plan, obviously a lot of people taking issue with the cost of that plan, john. we'll see if he goes outside of those remarks and we'll certainly be monitoring that. and before we go, the hockey world saying good-bye to hall of famer bobby hull. 12-time all-star and stanley cup champion. we all remember bobby hull. he was 84 years old, john, when he passed away. >> john: i got to meet him a couple times and chat with him a couple times, and i mean, that was a real thrill for a kid who grew up in canada playing hockey and got an opportunity to see him play life and then meet him

later in life, that was a real thrill. >> sandra: lived a nice long life and did a lot for our chicago blackhawks, that's for sure. >> he was such a fan of gordie howe, he adopted his number. the 9 gets >> good afternoon. i'm trace gallagher in for martha maccallum on "the story." another memphis police officer suspended after the death of tyre nichols. 5 have been charged with murder. the deadly beating is prompting new calls for police reform. former federal prosecutor andy mccarthy is standing by. first, to the senior correspondent steve harrigan. he's live in memphis. steve? >> trace, we're learning some new details about this