weekends. >> tomorrow, ivanka trump joins us and david clarke. >> who is with us now? >> the gatlin brothers. >> if there was one more gatlin there would be no room for you. >> get bill: a hearing set to get under way in just about an hour from now where we should hear from the people accused of wiping hillary clinton's email server and destroying phones with a hammer. hillary clinton said she thought her pneumonia was no big deal and she would power through, as we see new criticism about her secrecy within her own party.

martha: right now hillary clinton's resting at her west chester, new york home. her husband, the former president is stepping in for her right now on the campaign trail. hillary speaking out last evening on the phone with anderson cooper, talking to you about what she says happened. >> i just didn't think it was going to be that big a deal. i felt dizzy and i did lose my balance. but once i got in and could sit down and cool off. once i had some water, i immediately started feeling better. if we weren't fast enough. i talked to my staff. we take responsibility for that. bill: the cover of the new york post calling mrs. children toll illery.

saying she avoided the emergency room to conceal her health problems. >> there are a couple things going on with this illness issue. the first is they are making the most limited concession possible about not being forthcoming about her illness before her nearly collapsing on the 9/11 ceremony that brought the world's attention to it. they said we thought it wasn't a big deal. the second thing they are trying to do is change the subject to a larger issue of transparency. a lot of their surrogates have been talking about that saying hillary clinton is not the one with a transparency problem, it's donald trump. not sure if that will work out because hillary clinton, not trump, is the one who did nearly

collapse. bill: maureen dowd was on fox last night and said he kree i is the real issue. >> the health issue is a perfect microcosm of why she has problems. she has a wall up of defensiveness and secretiveness, pushing back, the press didn't know anything. each time it gets worse because that spirals into a snowball. bill: then she said it's not the health, it's the stealth. >> maureen dowd is someone who covered the clintons throughout the 1990s. we have seen a number of appointment who did cover -- a number of people who did cover the clintons in the 1990s, and they are saying they are doing what they always did. there was always a veil of secrecy and it always led to

speculation. you will probably so republicans adopting some of this. saying if you are dissatisfied with the secrecy with which hillary clinton handled this, just wait. bill: if there is another episode, that could be big trouble, byron. >> another episode would be huge. we know there has been a lot of theorizing on the basis of no real evidence of hillary clinton's health in the past. but this incident actually happened. people are putting it in an understandable frame. we have all been sick and tried to work through it and found out we couldn't and ended up in bed for a couple days. the bigger issue was perhaps the secrecy with which she treated it. and if it happened again, there would be a lot of questions.

martha: we'll go more in depth on the questions surrounding hillary clinton, her health, we'll talk to republican national committee chairman reince priebus. bill: we'll talk about the there would be no story without that video. donald trump responding to hillary clinton after she called half his supporters a basket of deplorables. donald trump calling it an attack he believes on american voters. >> she says tens of millions of patriotic americans are a basket of deplorables. how can you be president for so many people. she talks about people like they are objects, not human beings.

she says half our supporters are irredeemable and not america and describes the other half has having run out of options. martha: john, what's the latest pushback from this from donald trump. reporter: donald trump expected to go hard on hillary clinton on that basket of deplorables comment not only in baltimore, but in a nighttime rally in asheville, carolina. he insists hillary clinton would include in her basket of deplorer morables. each came up to the microphone to denounce her comments. donald trump said it should disqualify her from being president. >> never in history has a major party presidential candidate so viciously demonized the american

voter. she was attacking millions of moms and dads who want their children and want a better future for all americans. reporter: but a lot of donald trump supporters are wearing that as a bang of honor, a lot of supporters are referring to themselves as the adorable deplorables. martha: also donald trump is going to unveil a childcare policy which has started to come out this morning. tell us about that. reporter: this is something his daughter ivanka trump made her signature issue. it would allow for tax deductible childcare expenses for up to four children for people who have no income tax liability.

earned income rebates up to $1,200 per child. and reduction for stay-at-home parents. and texas deductible contributions that could grow tax-free. they ask be use for childcare and after-school education and expanding school choice. he would pro -- this is one of the biggest items for people not covered untheir employer. he would give 6 weeks. paid maternity leave for mothers. one of the big issues is how to pay for all this. they say it would be tax neutral, but it would, particularly the last item on the maternity leave, and economic punishment for mothers

in the united states. martha: this is a subject ivanka trump has talked about with three young children of her own. she is sensitive to those issues for young moms. bill: republicans getting ready to grill clinton aides who set up that email server and destroyed remnants it. that's includes bryan pagliano, clinton's senior tech adviser who pled the fifth in previous congressional hearings. his lawyers calling the subpoena by committee chair jason chaffetz a partisan attack. cha fats last night defending his decision. >> we are trying to protect the classified information. i didn't create this mess, hillary clinton created this mess. there are years of federal records. some of it so classified none of

us in this room should probably see them. bill: peter doocy standing by outside on the hill. what are they hoping to get to today. >> lawmakers are going to try to figure out who from the clinton team called out to colorado to a company called flat river and told staffers to delete the archive of hillary clinton's emails and why the emails were erased after it was known congress wanted to see them. them. paglianos lawyers tell "the washington post" that quote any effort to requir -- require mr.n omr. agolyian

mr. pagliano to appear. and they believe the witnesses will show up and plead the fifth. martha: we'll see what we get out of this hearing. we'll teak with jim jordan hop sits on the overtight committee. bill: details on even arrest overseas with links to the paris attackers. martha: trump campaign manager

kellyanne conway joins us to talk about the state of the race, clinton's comments coming up. >> after all the horrible scandals hillary clinton has been involved in and she has the gall to call us deplorable, unbelievable.

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martha: new terror raids leading to the arrest of three isis operatives.

two syrian teenagers, and one man in his 20s have been taken into custody. they have been monitoring them for months, but they were believed to have entered germany using the same isis smugglers used in the paris attacks. >> she has the gall to call us deplorable. unbelievable. >> do i look deplorable? i'm a wife, a mother, i work full time. i'm voting for donald trump. bill: donald trump and his supporters hitting back on that basket of deplorables comment. donald trump jr. retweeting a picture of their supporters saying looks like we'll need a

bigger basket. the way trump has gone after this is very different from if four years ago. where do you rate this comment when you compare it to romney at 47%, and barack obama talking about those who cling to their guns and religion. >> it's more in line with the barack obama comment. it's an attack on the entire group of people that are supporting donald trump, ordinary americans. and it flies in the face of hillary clinton's phoney message of unifying the country. one of the comments she made that people aren't talking as much about is she said some of these folks are irredeemable. someone running for president thinks that people are not redeemable. the they have othe thief on then

the cross was redeemable. donald trump tweeted they wanted to get more volunteers out knocking on doors. we had 2,500 people more show up and volunteer after donald trump sent that tweet. bill: don fowler ran the dnc for years, he said they would be fools not to prep another candidate. >> northern us know the extent of what's happening with hillary clinton. we don't want her to be ill. we want her to be better. that's crossing a different line that we are not crossing. but there are contingencies that parties can go through. i don't know the dnc rules, but i know ours. i think her coming clean and telling the american people

what's going on is important. i think they are doing that. i think donald trump is going to release medical records as well. but donald trump hasn't had the episodes that is causing everyone. >> you have a medical record on me that meets the same standard as barack obama and mitt romney. i released nearly 40 years of tax returns. he hasn't released one. bill: now she is saying she'll put out more medical records, will he? >> he's going to do that this week. but donald trump isn't having episodes that have causing national conversations. i'm not suggesting the shouldn't or isn't. i'm just saying she is upset that barack obama and mitt romney didn't release as much as

she is going to release or wants to release. but they weren't falling down in new york, either. i get it and it's unfortunate that we have to talk about these things because we don't want folks to be sick. but the fact is she has had these episodes for months. and people are asking questions. bill: what about her points on taxes? when will they be out? >> i just don't hear a lot of interest from people in this subject learning about the individual taxes or the thousands of llc corporate filings of donald trump. bill: it's possible he will goat next two months without releasing them? >> if these audits are done my sense is he will release the taxes. if you go to the f.e.c. website they can look up donald trump's filings with the federal elections commission. what you will see is not just

hundreds of businesses under his name but thousands of businesses under his name. we are talking about a garage full of documents that is not the easiest thing to pro dunes right now people aren't really asking for it. bill: who is playing the role of hillary clinton in prep debate? >> that's something i can't get into. he's preparing and he's doing well. but he has been through this 12 nice our primary debates and he did well in all of them. bill: ryan is prebus in washington, d.c. thank you. martha: iran threatens to shoot down u.s. spy planes that are in international air space. more on this latest provocation from iran. what does this mean for the international relationship

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bill: the president expected to veto a bill that would allow the victims of the 9/11 attacks to sue saudi arabia. the bill passed the house you unanimously friday but has not been presented to the president yet. the white house suggesting the bill would be retold when it passed the senate in may. lawmakers expect to attempt to override that veto. martha: a provocation in a series of incidents between iran and the u.s. military. the iran military threatening to

shoot down two u.s. navy planes in the persian gulf as he flew reco -- asthey flew reconnaissa3 miles off iran's coast. what's going on here? >> i think this is yet another example of iran's effort to show it is the dominant power in the persian gulf, pushing us around for everybody to see, letting the arab states know they are not really in the kind of defensive position with us they want to be in. and i think we have passed the point where we really ought to be deciding on some kinds of strategic response. not responsing to this provocation or that provocation. but doing something about this to demonstrate to the leadership in tehran it's not acceptable.

i have zero faith the obama administration will do anything like that. there was one quote of the u.s. saying we wanted to test the iran what reaction. is that why? >> i think if they thought they had some leadership from the white house and would be backed up, that would be a different thing. i assume we have been flying reconnaissance missions close to the iran what waters for quite some time. as aggravating and potentially dangerous as the boats running against our destroyers and threats to shoot down our planes, as bad as that is. if you escalate you better be prepared to think what it means if the iranians escalate as well.

i think you could end up in a worse situation if we escalate and then back down at a higher level. my hope is everybody goes to sleep for the next four months and we have a new president prepared to deal with iran. the lesson being taught is the united states isn't pushing back. martha: you can get yourself in a red line situation if you are testing this and you are not prepared to take the next step and you don't know what that next step is. you would recommend that we not do any stronger show of force in that area with larger naval ships or aircraft carriers because we are not prepared to follow through? >> if we had a real president i would be prepared to do a lot of things. i think our objective should be to overthrow the regime in tehran. but that's not the policy we have now. we don't have a president who demonstrated competence in

difficult international confrontations like this. i understand why people are aggravated over this but we need to be prepared to do it right and i don't see that response in the white house. bill: republicans getting ready to dig deeper into hillary clinton's server. on the hot seat, several former members of clinton's tech team. >> benghazi, whether it's going back to through win skit or the rose law firm billing record or the health issue. the first reaction is to deny, then it's to demonize the questioner, the critic, then it's to deflect. martha: that's laura ingrahm with the classic pattern as she sees it. the trump campaign joins us next.

martha: hillary clinton is off the campaign trail today. she is recovering from pneumonia. she was diagnosed by doctors on friday. she says she got dizzy and once she got into that van she was okay. take a look at the video and see what you think. bill clinton as spoken out. >> rarely. but over the years things have

happened to her when she got severely dehydrated. she worked like a demon as secretary of state and senator and the year since. >> only twice that i can recall. it is something that has occurred a few times oath course of my life. i'm aware of it, and usually can avoid it. martha: joining us is david bossie the department trump campaign manager. what do you make of the response from the clinton camp last night? >> i think it just continues to add to the confusion. you have big clinton saying one thing and hillary clinton saying another. and you have their campaign after totally disorganized.

it continues to tell the american people they don't respect the process here. they have to be more forth coming. whether it's pneumonia or not, i don't know. and so it's a very interesting dynamic with her having this problem on sunday. then them trying to cover it up, the staff not being coming. some of the after not knowing. then we find out the staff even had pneumonia as well. we hope this gets all cleared up. but the truth is yet to be found. >> the clinton campaign said you are asking us to be more transparent. we would like the trump campaign to be more transparent and we would like him to release his tax returns. the irs says even when you are under audit you can release your tax returns. what do you think about that?

>> one issue that allows you to be commander-in-chief, and that's your health. there are plenty of lawyers with different opinions on releasing tax returns. mr. trump's lawyers have been saying for many years that he cannot. that issue has nothing to do with that. martha: why is that? >> because he's under audit. mr. trump has been on this show and many others talking about that audit and telling you he's not able to do it because his lawyers advise against it. martha: is that going to change before the election? i think a lot of people would say it's fine. if you don't want to disclose that to the american people. you run a private company, you are a private citizen, that's your prerogative. but many believe what you would

see is he pays a lower rate than a lot of people. >> you are trying to equate two different things. we are talking about the health and welfare of a candidate. and we are making a political argument over mr. trump's taxes. those are two different things. mrs. clinton had a health problem, a health scare in front of the american people live on television. and now the clinton campaign in order to push back from that want to equate it to mr. trump's taxes. they have nothing to do with each other and i disagree wholeheartedly in that. i'm not going to let them play that. martha: it will continue to be the transparency issue. each side has their issue people are pressing them on. >> let's talk about mr. trump's health.

martha: he's about to release those reports. he has great stamina, he's running around the country campaigning all the time. everybody who is with hip says he has the kind of energy. we'll see what comes out. he says he expects them to be absolutely fine. i want to ask you about this deplorable issue and what your thoughts are on that. there is a piece by dana mill milbanks, and he says hillary clinton was right. he says. talking of banning muslims from this country, hesitated to denounce the klu klux klan, saying well, you may be a racist.

>> "the washington post" and dana milbank. it's not surprising they would continue this line of falsity. hillary clinton made the comment that half of the american people are deplorable. or half of the half are deplorable. and they are in a basket of deplorables. this is a problem for her because it lifted the veil, and it shows what contempt she has for the american people. donald trump is saying i'm going to be president of all americans, even if you didn't vote for me. i'm still going to be president of all americans. that's a different tone than mrs. clinton. martha: do you feel this is a gift to your campaign? >> i don't know if it's a gift but we are going to be using it to tell the american people and educate the american people to her attitude toward the american

people, to whether she has the temperament to be president. we don't think she has the temperament, and i think this type of comment, which by the way is not the first time she said it. to say it's a mistake and a one-off comment, it's very children tonian. martha: he has been criticized for calling people names, now she is calling people names. the debates will be fascinating. bill: the u.s. air force responding to more aggressive behavior by northt korea. flying a pair of b-1 bombers over it neighbor to the south. how that went over. what will we learn today from the house oversight committee. when we come back we'll be talking to a member of the committee who will be asking those questions.

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martha: a show of force over south korea. the u.s. flying two b-5- -- b-1 bombers it comes days after north koreas fifth nuclear weapons test. posing a threat towvment s. bases in south korea, japan and guam. bill: due to testify five people who set up the server, operated it or destroyed it.

that includes bryan pagliano. but his lawyers say he will not testify. jason chaffetz told us you cannot simply ignore the law. two years after hillary clinton leaves office, there is a preservation order, a subpoena, a statement by hillary clinton on march 10 saying she preserved everything, then you have this conference call between clinton attorneys and platte river networks and less than a week later this stuff is destroyed. bill: i spoke to jim jordan earlier. thank you for your time, good morning. what will you get out of today's hearing? >> well, hopefully we'll get some guys who will testify and answer questions. my concern is they will take the fifth. bryan pagliano did before.

the individuals who worked at platte river network handled the server. now it looks like they are the ones who took bleach bit to the server and destroyed the potential evidence. bill: there are five who have been called today and they all had a connection to the establishment or maintenance or ultimately the destruction of what was on that server. is that correct? >> pagliano is on the front end. on the back ends is mr. thornton and mr. combetto with platte river. they worked to destroy the evidence after there was a subpoena and preservation order in place. mr. cooper worked for the clintons for a long time. he will be at the hearing today. bill: who used the hammer?

>> i believe it was mr. cooper. most of your viewers have probably never taken a ham tore one of their old i phones. but somehow the clintons, you have got hammers and bleach bit. you just can't make this stuff up. >> but they all can take the fifth, right? if that's the case, today is a big zero. what do you expect? >> i expect mr. coop torrance questions. my guess is the other three won't. we'll see. you never know, they may have a change of heart. we know what happened in march of 2015 as you described where "new york times" reports he only has this one private server. there is a presence racial order on the 3rd. there is a press conference where platte river was put on notice to preserve evidence. and then there is bleach the bit taken to the devices.

that name was redacted. but the "new york times" reported it last friday. bill: elijah cummings stead as far as he can tell only emergency is the election is two months away. >> the problem is there are two standards in america. there is one for you and me and a different one for lo -- for lorett -- forlois lerner. and hillary clinton. when have you seen the attorney general meet with the spouse of the person under investigation

two days before she is going to be interviewed? you have never seen that happen. none this days. and it's not supposed to work that way. bill: james comey said it wasn't even a close call. he said it this past summer and apparently wrote it to his f.b.i. colleagues a few days ago. >> they didn't look at she lied under oath in that hearing. it wasn't a close call, why did he have to send a memo to all his employees explaining what happened. two months after he makes his decision he feels it necessary to tell all the good folks at the i f.b.i. here is where we did what we did. i know from former agents and current ones as well. bill: where do you think you are

at the ends of this hearing? >> hopefully these guys talk. bill: there is a chance they won't. >> our job is to do our job. bring people who have the answers. if they won't answer them, they won't answer them. bill: jim jordan, thank you, the congressman from ohio. martha: in the meantime a situation no pilot ever wants to face. forced with landing with broken gear. tense moments only made more so because of what was on that plane.

bill: a boeing 737 making a rough landing on an airport in indonesia. it was delivering fuel to remote parts of the area. luckily no one was hurt. >> martha: ryan lochte's debut on "dancing with the as far as" got off to a rocky start. excuse me, excuse me. excuse me. excuse me.

martha: they stormed the side of the dance floor. they called lochte a liar. security tackled them and they were arrested. that's after lochte was caught in an incident of vandalism in rio. enough already. he's been punished enough. of all the issues you can get fired up about in the world. bill: look at this. martha: here is a familiar face. former texas governor rick perry. his performance playing tribute to the lone star state.

martha: god bless texas. governor perry out there. they scored 20 out of 30. bill: he didn't look so bad. you are up next, i heard. is that true? bill: i might. after i get done with my yoga classes. do you think they would take me? i can twirl for a little bit. give me two minutes. maybe. in a moment here. when will prelearn about hillary clinton's private server. the tech mind behind the grilling on the hill. (announcer vo) that's right, keep rockin'.

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martha: so we have a couple big events about to get underway on capitol hill. a hearing that could possibly shed some light what happened to hillary clinton's emails it is about to begin. got a couple of people on the hot seat who would know first-hand how the destruction took place. donald trump's running mate, mike pence, will hold a joint news conference with house republican leaders. we'll see if any news made. there is jason chaffetz the chairman of that committee as they get ready to get underway. hour two of "america's newsroom," i'm still martha maccallum. bill: and i'm bill hemmer. looking for answers from the tech staff that managed clinton's private server, destroyed her emails and her cell phones. bryan pagliano refused to 125

times previously to testify before congress. catherine herridge on the hill. what do we expect from the hearing, catherine, let's start with there? reporter: i spoke with source on the committee, their expectation that all four witnesses would appear this morning. i was inside of the hearing room behind me, one of the witnesses is already there, justin cooper. long-time aide to bill clinton. according to fbi file he is one that took the hammer to destroy two of hillary clinton's blackberries. our expectation this morning based on our conversation with the congressional aide, that i.t. manager bryan pagliano who originally set up hillary clinton's server will appear at hearing. he was granted what they call use immunity bit justice department during the criminal investigation into the mishandling of classified information. there are two employees from a colorado firm called platte river networks this is the firm that managed the email server and was responsible for the deletion of the clinton email

archive despite congressional order and to preserve the record. the two employees have been dodging appearance. >> we enlisted united states marshals to deliver three subpoenas. we expect them to show up tomorrow morning. evidently according to news reports two of them have been granted immunity by the fbi. so i would expect them to sing like songbirds. i don't know that they will but they should. reporter: we were told a short time ago is that all of the subpoenas were in fact served yesterday. the expectation as i mentioned that all four witnesses will appear but i would give you some context on that, entirely possible two will take the fifth amendment. that is the right against self-incrimination, bill. bill: catherine herridge on the hill. martha: jails son chaffetz is now speaking. let's listen in. >> -- had it installed in the

basement of her private residence in chappaqua be, new york, he registered the email domain, clintonemail.com in 2009, the same day secretary clinton's confirmation hearing began in the united states senate. mr. cooper has described his role in managing secretary clinton's private server as quote, customer service face, end quote. he explained to the fbi he helped secretary clinton set up her mobile devices and fished with them, he would break them in half or destroy them with a hammer. interesting, mr. cooper was never employed by the state department while he managed the server. she used to conduct the business of the government. mr. cooper needed upgrading to the server for better service he turned to mr. bryan pagliano. mr. pagliano had worked for secretary clinton's 2008 presidential campaign and was in the process of closing out the campaign's i.t. assets when mr. cooper called to discuss a

new server for the secretary. to put that new server together, mr. pagliano used one from her campaign. anything else he needed was evidently bought off the shelf. then in march of 2009 mr. pagliano and mr. cooper met in the clinton's home in chappaqua, new york, and installed the new server reportedly in the basement. unlike mr. cooper, mr. pagliano went on to become a state department employee. just a few months after installing the server, mr. pagliano was hired at the state department as fs-15, schedule c. public reports suggest mr. pagliano received a state department check and was paid by the clintons, none of which he reported on his public disclosure forms as required. a recent office of inspector general report, mr. pagliano's super survivors at the state department quote, questioned whether he could support a private client during work hours given his capacity as full-time government employee, end quote. mr. pagliano left the state

department in february of 2013, just as hillary clinton, secretary clinton left. in responsibility for the server is turned over, when left. when the responsibility for the servers is turned over to our next two witnesses things started to get a little more complicated. mr. bill authority of thornton and paul combatta worked for platte river networks. he was hired in early 2013 to host the email server after mr. pagliano had been working on it. prn, platte river networks, mike greated secretary clinton's emails to from the pagliano server to its own center in secaucus, new jersey. things get come many many complicated. in 2013 "new york times" revealed secretary clinton use a private email account while at

state department. benghazi committee sent a subpoena and following news. that request was forwarded to prn, platte river networks to cheryl mills, former secretary clinton chief of staff and current interview. in the first interview with the fbi evidently, mr. combatta had no memory of that q in subsequent interview he not only remembered the request but he understood it meant not to delete secretary clinton's emails. around end of march a number of things happen. there is a conference call between platte river networks, cheryl mills and david kendall, another one of secretary clinton's private attorneys. once again mr. combatta's story changes. in the first fbi interview he said he deleted no emails of secretary clinton around that time in. later on he not only deleted archive but also used a product called bleachbit to delete her pst files on the server. at the same time number of

manuel deletions were made on backups of that platte river network server. we appreciate the witnesses that are here today. we hope they can illuminate the situation. allow us to better understand it. because as i said before, this is one of the biggest breaches of security in the history of the state department. we have a duty and an obligation to investigate it. now i recognize the ranking member, mr. cummings for his he opening statement. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. today is our third, third, emergency hearing about secretary clinton's emails in four business days. third. in four-days. emergency. i believe this committee is abusing taxpayer dollars and authority of congress in astonishing onslaught of

political attacks to damage secretary clinton's campaign for president of the united states of america. this is the first time in my 20 years in congress that i personally witnessed the oversight power of this committee abused in such a transparently political manner to directly influence a presidential campaign. the point of today's hearing is to investigate baseless republican accusations that secretary clinton or or her aides ordered the destruction of emails to conceal them from investigators. the most important fact for today's hearing is that the fbi already investigated these accusations and thoroughly debunked them. they interviewed witnesses,

examined forensic evidence, and concluded that these accusations have no merit. fbi director comey stated, and i quote, we found no evidence that any of the additional work-related emails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them. end of quote. he went on to say, and i quote, we did not find any evidence of evil intent, or intent to obstruct justice. now, that's the fbi director, the man who had been a lifelong republican, a man who was applauded by the republicans as one of the most honorable public servants that ever existed. so he went on and he emphasized

in a memo to staff just last week, and i quote, the case itself was not a cliffhanger, end of quote. of course the republicans did not like the answers that the fbi director gave. so they simply manufactured today's hearing out of thin air. this entire hearing is a contrived campaign photo-op. here is the playbook the republicans are using. step one. publicly accuse the witnesses of criminal activity, no matter how ludicrous and then refer them to the u.s. attorney's office for criminal investigation. that's step one. step two. the next day invite these same witnesses to an emergency hearing on those criminal

accusations, and then rush to issue a flury of unilateral subpoenas demanding that they testify. no dedate, no vote. step three, express false outrage when these witnesses, this is the playbook, express false outrage when these witnesses, who you just accused of criminal activity, take advice from their counsel to assert their fifth amendment right not to testify. there you have it. presto. instant photo-op. that is what happened to mr. combatta and there -- mr. thornton, despite the fact that a team of career law enforcement agents at fbi recommended unanimously against bringing any criminal charges in

this case. keep in mind that director comey said this was an all-star group of fbi agents, an all-star group of fbi agents said unanimously that these gentlemen should not be charged. then there's bryan pagliano. the i.t. specialist who worked on secretary clinton's email system. mr. pagliano has already been interviewed by the fbi and the fbi provided us with the results of his interview, but, the republicans disagree with the fbi's conclusions. so here we are. mr. pagliano has already asserted his fifth amendment rights before this congress. he did this when chairman gowdy issued his own unilateral

subpoena to force him to appear before the benghazi committee on the same issue. of course i sat as a ranking member on that select committee. obviously mr. pagliano was concerned about the criminal accusations that republicans are making, were making, so his attorney advised him to assert the fifth amendment. there is no legitimate reason for republicans to force mr. pagliano to appear yet again before congress just to assert his fifth amendment rights one more time. how many times will republicans do this? will they force him to take the fifth in front of the science committee next? how about the homeland security or intelligence committee? so we have then go to those committees too? this is absolute abuse of authority. now, chairman gowdy and i

disagree about many things but i give him full credit for one thing that he did. at least when he subpoenaed mr. pagliano he did it in a private session. he did not force mr. pagliano to assert the fifth in public just to humiliate him and i respect mr. gowdy for that. let me say this as explain as i can. if this committee's goal were just to get mr. pagliano, or other witnesses on the record asserting their fifth amendment rights, we could do that easily in a private session just like mr. gowdy did with mr. pagliano a year ago. there is no legitimate reason to force mr. pagliano or the other witnesses who were subpoenaed for this hearing to assert the fifth in an open session. there is only an illegitimate

reason, to get a photo-op that republicans think could harm secretary clinton's presidential campaign. finally, some may argue that mr. pagliano or mr. combatta should testify before us because they received limited use immunity for their statements to the fbi. but no lawyers worth their salt are going to let their clients testify before a congressional committee whose chairman just sent another referral for criminal prosecution. no matter how frivolous the accusations are. they are just not going to do it. pursuing these kinds of blatantly political attacks, undermines the integrity of our committee, the congressional process, and the constitutional rights that are supposed to

protect our citizens against unsubstantiated accusations just like these. so with that, mr. chairman, i yield back and i thank you. >> hold the record open for five legislative days for any members who would like to submit a written statement. i ask unanimous consent, allow, lamar smith of science an space technology committee join our committee and would be happy to also entertain a request for uc from the democratic side if they would like to join us as well. without objection, so ordered to allow mr. smith to join us today. we now would like to recognize our witnesses. i do note the absence of mr. pagliano. let me interest that. let the record reflect that mr. pagliano is not present at the witness table. committee invited mr. pagliano to testify at the hearing in a

letter dated september 7th, 2016. mr. pagliano informed the committee through his attorneys that he might assert his fifth amendment privilege. i authorized a subpoena for mr. pagliano's testimony. on september 8, 2016 the committee transmit ad subpoena to mr. pagliano's attorney and the subpoena required his presence here today. mr. pagliano is uniquely qualified to provide testimony that will help the committee better understand secretary clinton's use of a private email server during her tenure as secretary, as, at the state department among other things. the committee invited him to appear the expectation that the testimony will advance the committees' investigation which seeks further information about the setup, management of secretary clinton's account and other technical aspects of the account. i take my responsibilities as committee chairman seriously, especially the decision to issue a subpoena. it is a serious matter. mr. pagliano has chosen to evade a subpoena duly issued by the committee of the united states

house of rest. i will consult with counsel and colleagues on committee to consider a full range of options to address mr. pagliano's failure to appear. it is vital to hear from us, it is our understanding that while. department at the state department for nearly four years, virtually every single email that mr. pagliano had has suddenly disappeared. there is something like less than 20 emails, this is a guy who worked in the i.t. department at the state department, #, things that make you go hmmm, really? all of his emails suddenly disappeared. mr. pagliano's also important because he was receiving a paycheck from the clintons but failed to disclose that on his financial forms. we would like to give him an opportunity to answer that question. we also believe that he entered into an immunity agreement. you would think somebody would

sing like a songbird if you got immunity from the fbi. what are you afraid of? we wanted to hear from him. that's why we issued a subpoena. there are a number of things we would like to ask him and he should be here. when you are served a subpoena from the united states congress, it is not optional. that is not an optional activity. and he is not here today. >> mr. chairman? >> mr. cummings. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. let's make sure we have a complete picture here. last night the chairman sent another letter to mr. pagliano saying that our committee might go into executive session to accept his fifth amendment privilege. >> no, i did not say that. >> well, what do you did you say? >> i want this committee to be open and transparent. we do things as everything we can possibly do out in the open. that is the american way. that is the way this committee will be run. >> chairman yield? >> sure. >> my understanding that mr. pagliano is, his lawyers

sent a letter saying that they felt this was abuse of process and nothing but to embarass him. and he said if you wanted to go into executive session, give him immunity, he would be happy to appear. i want the committee to have a full breadth of what happened here. he said he would be happy to appear. and so, is there, so i take it that the consultation that you're going to do is going to go into whether or not we'll give immunity, whether or not we'll have executive session and why we might expect that decision? >> well, he made the decision not to be here, and there are consequences for that. again, the integrity of the house of representatives, this is not an optional activity. you just don't get to say, hey, i decided not to do that we'll look at full range of options but if anybody is under any illusion i will let go of this sail off into the sunset. they are ill-advised. >> chairman yield? >> yes.

>> i'm looking at your letter dated september 12th, 2016 to mark j. mcdoing gal. you say here in this letter, and i quote, committee requires mr. pagliano's appearance because among other reasons the possibility that he will wave or choose not to assert the privilege as to some or all questions. the possibility that the committee will agree to hear his testimony in executive session and the possibility that a committee will immunize his testimony pursuant to 18 usc section 600.5. that is what i was requiring about, mr. chairman. that is your letter. >> to clarify it requires his presence to have those types of discussions. when he doesn't show up, that option is off the table. you have to be here to have that discussion. >> mr. chairman? just a point of parliamentary inquiry.

you said that it is not an option for the witness who has refused to testify. he was duly presented and served with a subpoena from this committee, is that correct? >> yes. >> and one of the options would be possible contempt of congress among the options that we have available. and at what point would that be appropriate to consider the options, in future hearing or request to the chair? >> we will consider all options. i would like to continue on with this hearing, given the three witnesses that are here, and they are here and rather than unduly delay the rest of this hearing, dealing with mr. pagliano, we'll complete this hearing and then look at options. >> thank you, mr. chairman. martha: we'll stay with this. we want to hop over for a moment listen to mike pence, presidential candidate, paul ryan speaking now, on capitol hill. let's listen to that for a moment. >> who we believe will be the next vice president of the

united states, mike pence joined us today. our members were excited to have him. we feel the wind at our backs and excited getting this agenda moving into law. go to better.gop, see what in fact we have in store for solving this country's big problems with our partners. with that i would like to introduce mike pence. >> thank you, mr. speaker. thank you so much to this whole leadership team. it is a great privilege for me to be back among so many men and women who are, live out every day a dedication to this nation as truly inspiring. i'm grateful for the hospitality. it was for me an emotional return to a group of men and women that i served with for 12 years and have so admired. i know donald trump and i are so grateful for the support that we're receiving from this, not just this leadership team but

members all across this country, who are rallying to the cause to make america great again and to be, to be at the house republican conference today was a great privilege. particularly want to express my appreciation to speaker paul ryan. his development of the better way agenda. so aligns with donald trump's vision to make america great again, that the american people should be confident that 56 days from now, we can elect a president and reelect majorities in the house and senate that will be ready on day one to restore american strength at home and abroad. the house commitment to and plans to rebuild our military, reduce taxes, end the war on american energy, roll back job-killing regulations, repeal obamacare and support the kinds of policies that will result in

a stronger and more prosperous america. represent an extraordinary start on the important work that we have to do as a country. seven 1/2 years of the leadership of barack obama, and hillary clinton, during her years as secretary of state, have weakened america's place in the world and stifled america's economy. and with the strong leadership that donald trump will bring to the white house, with our strong partners in the house and in the senate, leaders and members of which i will be meeting with later today, we're very confident we can bring real change, in real time to the american people, and i leave here today with a grateful heart to be among my friend, and those men and women that i hope and pray we have the opportunity to work together to make this country great again. >> questions? >> sir -- we don't it that way. we don't do it that way.

>> would you like to amend your recent comments? would you call david duke deplorable and -- [inaudible] >> let me say first and foremost. i think millions of americans were shocked and saddened to see hillary clinton refer to people across this country as a basket of deplorables. in a prepared speech before wealthy donors in new york city on friday night. she said that at the time half of the people supporting donald trump and i were irredeemable. we're not americans. and frankly i, i have never heard a major party candidate in the united states speak about the american people with such contempt. i mean, i'm out on the campaign trail every day. i'm campaigning with

donald trump and for donald trump. and what hillary clinton apparently doesn't know is that the people that are supporting this campaign are hard-working americans, who come out to our rallies, come out to our town halls, who stop us in diners, who visit with us at meetings, at factories. they are people that work with their hands. they are people that run business. they are veterans, members of the armed forces. they are law enforcement officers, moms and dads and farmers. for hillary clinton to express such disdain for millions of americans, is one more reason that disqualifies her to serve in the highest office in the land. anyone who has that low an opinion of the american people should never serve as president of the united states of america. as i said this weekend, i will say again, donald trump supporters are not a basket of anything. they are americans and they deserve the respect of the

democrat nominee for president of the united states. donald trump i said, his ambition is to be president of all the people of the united states of america. and if he said this weekend and we believed from our heart, even those who do not support us, even those who are critical of us, or have strongly different views, have our respect because they are americans. and we respect their right to their views, and it would be highest honor of our life to serve them. now with regard to your request, i would tell you, i was, i was asked yesterday once again a question that i am, i continue to, for all the world i have no idea why this man keeps coming up. i mean, donald trump and i have denounced david duke repeatedly. we have said we do not want his support and we do not want the support of people who think like him. and yesterday, i was, i was asked a question about that and

i repeated that again. and the simple fact is that i'm not in the name-calling business. my colleagues in the house of representatives know that i, i believe that civility is essential in a vibrant democracy and it has never been my practice but i'm also not going to validate the language that hillary clinton used to describe the american people. i mean look, millions of americans know, and frankly you all know, hillary clinton wasn't talking about that bad man. she was talking about people all across this country, who are coming out in record numbers to stand by donald trump and to stand with him and necessary vision to make america great again. so we'll call on her again to apologize and retract her comments. i mean the only thing she said so far, she was wrong about the math i guess. she is sorry she said half.

the truth of mater is her remarks were deeply insulting to sincere people all across this country who know we can do better and be stronger and we call on hillary clinton and her campaign once again to fully retract those offensive statements and apologize to the american people as she should. >> governor, do you have any concerns that whether it is david duke or others with those views -- [inaudible] that they are attracted to your campaign and want to attach themselves to you and -- [inaudible] are you concerned something about the trump candidacy and [inaudible] >> look, we live in a free country. people of ill motives would draw themselves to politics. i would draw no more conclusions of that man's expressions of support, that the father after

terrorist who killed 49 americans was seen at a hillary clinton rally cheering her on and said he was there because she was good on national security. i mean look, folks, there are two people on the ballot here, hillary clinton and donald trump. one of them is going to be president of the united states of america. and i would submit to you this is all a distraction. i get it, i understand why hillary clinton and her campaign want to change the subject after that speech on friday night. we all have recognized, you and media have recognized, this was a catastrophic insult to the american people. and it is so important that people around the country know this was a prepared speech. this is not the first time she called millions of americans, a basket of deplorables. and i just, as i said, i think anyone tahas low of an opinion

of the american people should never serve in the highest office in the land. juan? >> governor. >> get it right for a change. go ahead, mike. >> hear your thoughts on the ncaa position on taking championship serious out of north carolina over -- [inaudible]. nba did something similar with the all-star team. >> i just heard about that this morning and wouldn't have details to comment. ncaa is based in indianapolis. we have a great relationship with the ncaa and, donald trump and i simply believe in these decisions are best made at the state level, by the people and where disputes arise, they should be resolved in the courts. >> last question. >> governor -- >> this guy right here. >> he was patient and wasn't screaming, shouting out. there you go.

>> thank you. governor pence, speaker ryan has repeatedly at times forcefully donald trump. >> on, somebody else. [laughter] of. thanks, man. you were patient and now he -- >> -- more difficult -- >> i'm sorry i didn't hear the question. >> i didn't hear the question either. i could tell where you're going. >> speaker ryan has repeatedly, sometimes forcefully donald trump and some of his remarks. has that made it difficult for to you reach out to some republicans on the fence and -- [inaudible]. >> my and donald trump's respect and appreciation for paul ryan is boundless. look, you're going to have in the majority party occasionally have difference of opinion but our goals are identical. i think what was so inspiring to me to be at the house republican conference today and in the meeting that i had this morning with the speaker, is, is how

much consistency there is between donald trump's vision, to rebuild our military, revive the american economy, uphold the rule of law, and the agenda that house republicans have put forward in the better way. i really do believe we have historic opportunity before us today, with the enormous talent here in the house of representatives led by speaker paul ryan, with the energy and vision of donald trump and reelected republican senate. to turn this country around, and to turn it around very quickly. i mean i said to the conference today, this is the most dramatic choice in an election in my lifetime. this is not a choice between one candidate who will grow america this much and another candidate who will grow america this much. this is literally the choice when we continue to go downhill to weaker america at home and abroad, whether we'll continue to walk away from the

constitutional liberty abouts enshrined in the interpretation of those by our supreme court. whether we'll walk away from the highest standards of integrity from the highest office in the lan and whether we plant our feet start to march uphill towards greater american strength and greater american prosperity. house republicans, senate republicans are deeply committed to marching back up that hill. when we elect donald trump as the next president of the united states of america, they will have a team and a partner in the white house to march back up to a stronger, and greater america. so, thank you all very much. >> thank you. appreciate it. martha: that is mike pence on a visit back to a place that he knows well. former congressman from indiana and governor of indiana. so he was with paul ryan and kevin mccarthy talking largely about the deplorables comment, he handle in depth saying hillary clinton is not qualified

to run for office of presidency of the united states if she believes a large portion of the country is deplorable. that was the crux of his comments with regards to that statement. he also deflected the date duke question which is batted around last 24 hours. we don't want his sport or support of anybody that believes what he believes. that is mike pence on the hill. bill: this hearing into hillary clinton's tech team, it has been stubborn so far. several of the witnesses said they plead the. essentially republicans are arguably you cap not destroy evidence or ignore an order from congress. democrats have said that the fbi says there is nothing to see here. paul combatta gentleman you just saw. pled the fifth on all questions. he is associated with the company that ran hillary clinton's server and responsible for destroying emails. let's go back in. chairman jason chaffetz continues now.

>> including platte river division of i.t. related services to her. we have concerns relative to data security. plat has not enabled encryption at local december. alleged in press reports to reside on the device it may be target of cyberattack from a multitude of highly sophisticated and capable entities for individuals. we believe such an event could place encrypted, unencrypted data itself at risk as well as expose both data and platte river systems to collateral damage. in it is current state, and it goes on, the device and the data that is stored there on, it goes on, is more vulnerable to cyberattack than data believed prudent under the circumstance. mr. thornton, given vulnerabilities identified by dato, are you aware of any hacks of prn's systems?

>> on the advice of counsel i respectfully decline to answer and assert my fifth amendment constitutional privilege. >> like to just ask you one other question that i can't imagine have any implications, any criminal culpability or anything else to this, just a simple question, yes or no, and we'll, if you will answer this one we will cut you loose here. were you interviewed by the fbi? >> on the advise of counsel i respectfully decline to answer and assert my fifth amendment constitutional privilege. >> you can't answer the question about whether or not you were interviewed by the fbi? >> on the advice of counsel, i respectfully decline. >> mr. cummings. >> again, as, a member of the bar for 40 years, i'm not going to participate in this, you

know, i just think that when we bring witnesses here and we berate them, when we could do it in executive session or whatever, again, i think it would be unethical for me to do that. so i have nothing. >> given that the witnesses hasn't indicated he does not intend to answer any questions out of respect for his constitutional rights, we will now excuse mr. thornton from the table. bill: that is bill thornton, associated with platte river networks out of denver, colorado. that is the company in charge of operating hillary clinton's server. when it moves out of her home toward new jersey. they will take a break right now, for at least two minutes. no one has answered a question yet. there is a mr. justin cooper, long-time aide to bill clinton i guess hillary clinton as well you could argue, who has not yet taken a question. we'll see whether or not, see whether or not he says anything. but the gist of the discussion so far, martha, between

republicans an democrats, it is pretty obvious. republicans argue you can not ignore the requests made on behalf of congress and democrats are arguing that, hey, the fbi said there is nothing to see here. that is really tenor of this hearing for the past 39 minutes. who knows whether it breaks through past this point but so far it has been, in a word, it has been stubborn. martha: justin cooper, who is still standing there, on the left hand -- right-hand side of your screen, as you say, has not commented yet. we don't know if he will take the fifth. he is person who believed one took hammer to hillary clinton's blackberrys. if he does have anything to say, that would be of interest. we will cover this -- there he is on the right-hand side of the screen. we wait for his comment. more in a moment. we'll be right back.

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system and is also the one who was supposedly smashed the blackberry with a hammer. let's listen. >> you have no security clearance? >> i have no security clearance. >> you told the fbi that huma abedin recommended in the fall of 2008 that you contact bryan pagliano to build the new server system, is that correct? >> i spoke with mr. pagliano at miss abedine's request in fall of 2008. we had an existing server system for president clinton's staff located in the clintons residence. i spoke to mr. pagliano as that system had its limitations and we were thinking about expanding it. he had some opportunities using surplus equipment from the clinton campaign that we could use for president clinton's office to set up. >> sorry. we still have to move the microphone, just straighten it out and put it up, there you go. a little closer. did you, what conversations did

you have with, with huma abedin about the setting up of the server? >> i don't recall any specific conversations with her about the setting up of the server. >> what about setting up emails? >> at some point i had a conversation with her about setting up email for secretary clinton on the servers. >> what about setting up an email for huma abedin on it? >> as well i had a conversation setting up email address for huma abedin. >> did you set up a email for houle hume. >> yes. >> did you she sues the email? >> as far as i know, yes. >> what other clinton staff use email? >> they were staff members of president clinton's office. not on the clinton email domain. >> clintonemail.com to be specific. >> there were no other staff i recall using that. >> so who had an email address at clinton email.com? >> additional person had email address, it was chelsea clinton.

>> did you have one? >> no. >> so you, huma abedin, and secretary clinton had email addresses there? >> i did not have a email address. >> sorry. sorry. hillary clinton, huma abedin and chelsea clinton each had addresses at that address? the. >> correct. >> what other computers did you set up in their residence? how many computers did you set up? >> the only computers he set in the residence the two imacs which you previously mentioned and the initial apple server which came in with support from apple to set up that server in their household. >> did you set up anything in washington, d.c. at her residence there. >> as mentioned one of the two imacs you referred to was in washington, d.c. >> so the other one was in chappaqua, new york? >> correct. >> there is total of two

computers, one in chappaqua. why did you set up clintonemail.com? >> secretary clinton was transitioning from presidential campaign and her senate role and had been using primarily a blackberry for email correspondence. there were limitations to her ability to use that blackberry as well as desire to change her email address because a number of people had received her email address over the course of those activities. so we created, with a discussion of believe with huma abedin at the time what domains might be of interest. we obtain ad domain and we added it to the original server used by president clinton's office for her to use with her blackberry at the time, and we set that up in a way where the messages simply came into that server and bounced right to her blackberry and were not retained on that apple server. >> who paid for these computers? >> all of them were paid personally by the clintons. >> personally? >> personally.

>> and who were you being compensated by? >> i was being compensated by the clintons. >> just personally or the clinton executive services, clinton foundation, what was it? >> at that time i was an employee of clinton family personally and clinton foundation. >> okay. my time has expired. now recognize ranking member, mr. cummings. >> mr. cooper, the fbi's investigative summary states that apple server you helped install in the home of president and secretary clinton in 2008 was originally purchased for the purpose of hosting email services for president clinton's staff. to the best of your knowledge, is that accurate? >> yes, that's accurate. >> according to the fbi summary the decision was made to keep that server in the clinton residence.

the reason was, and i quote, due to concern over insuring email reliability and a desire to segregate email for president clinton's various posts and endeavors, end of quote. according to the fbi the decision was made in january 2009 to switch from the apple server to a new server. fbi investigative summary states that in 2009, quote, according to cooper, in or around january 2009, the decision was made to move to another server because the apple server was antiquated and users were experiencing problems with email delivery on their blackberry devices, end of quote. is that accurate? >> i would say that, there is not a date certain there was a

decision made to switch to one server from the other. in my conversations with mr. pagliano i was aware the apple server we were using was not fully meeting our needs and was not expandable to meet potential future needs of other staff in president clinton's office joining the server. it also did not have a robust solution to support blackberry usage. very hard for me to even remember what the technology around blackberry was then and how they functioned. there were more progressive ways to use a blackberry. mr. pagliano had the expertise to set you up a server that had a proper blackberry interface with it, and that was something that was desired by president clinton's team. so over a period of time as bryan decommissioned those servers from the campaign, we were able to purchase them from the campaign. he then took time to set them up on his time either in the campaign offices or his home, i'm not sure the location. then delivered them them to

chappaqua i believe in march of 2009 where i physically helped move them into the space where they were going to reside. >> secretary clinton began the use of new server for e mail was in march 2009, that accurate. >> connection for the server was march 2009. >> the republicans have a conspiracy theory that secretary clinton used the server in her home for email in order to avoid complying with records laws. representative desantis asked director comey directly about that theory. he answered, and i quote, was the reason she set up her own private server is in our judgment because she wanted to shield communications from congress and from the public? mr. cooper, here's what director comey said and i quote. i can't say that. our best information is that she

set it up as a matter of convenience. it was been already existing system that her husband had and she decided to have a domain on that system. do you have any evidence to dispute what the fbi director, mr. comey, said? >> no, i don't of any evidence to dispute that i believe that secretary clinton had personal email on her blackberry and was looking for a new solution to be able it use personal email. >> now, were you ever told that secretary clinton used the server in her home to avoid the federal records act? >> no, i was never told that. >> were you ever told that secretary clinton used the server in her home to avoid the freedom of information act? >> no, i was never told that. >> now, mr. cooper, i think it would be helpful to walk through exactly what your role was and was not with regard to the production of secretary clinton's emails to the state department and the fbi.

did you cooperate with the fbi investigation to the best of your ability? >> yes, i did. >> did you turn over to the fbi any relevant records that were in your possession? >> yes, i turned over records to the fbi. >> in mid to late 2014, secretary clinton's attorneys attempted to collect all of secretary clinton's work-related files from her tenure at the state department and turn them over to the state department. mr. cooper, were you involved in that 2014 document production process? >> no, i was not. >> now did the fbi determine that none much secretary clinton's work-related emails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them from investigators? do you have any reason to dispute that finding? >> i do not have any reason to dispute that finding. >> thank you very much. >> now i recognize the gentleman from florida, mr. mica, for five minutes. >> so mr. cooper you started

again the whole setup of the first server, 2007-8 right and gave the clinton domain email address, set that up, is that correct? that was at the very beginning as she was leaving the campaign coming into office? >> i'm sorry from my recollection, there was a president clinton domain set up prior to that point. then clinton email domain was set up in january of 2009. >> 2009. okay. at some point when she left, i guess the private capacity came into the public, i have someionf her old mobile devices were destroyed and you took part in that? is that correct? >> i believe you're referring to the fbi report that mentions the two -- >> yes.

when, did you take part in destroying some of her old mobile devices? >> yes, at some point in time when she was transitioning from one mobile device to the next we would take the information that was on the old device, back it up, transfer it to the new device. >> you worked with mr. pagliano? >> i would interface with mr. pagliano on this -- >> did you ever discuss with him how you could destroy a device? the did he participate in destruction of any devices. >> i don't recall any conversations of that type. >> okay. are you aware of what happened to his emails? you actually were the one servicing the server for most of the period while she was secretary of state, is that correct? >> i would categorize it differently. bryan pagliano's serviced the server. >> you set it up and he conferred and, you conferred with him? >> mr. pagliano set it up. he engineered it. and i was interface between the users and --

>> would he have had any emails on those servers to your knowledge? >> no. >> he wouldn't? and you have no idea what happened to all of his emails? >> i certainly do not. >> you also were made aware on two occasions, or made aware on two occasions to secret service, i think january 2011, that someone was trying to hack the system, is that correct? >> i used that word colittle question to describe -- martha: this is a justin cooper talking about the destruction of devices and his role in all of this and setting up server and interfaces as he put it. interesting stuff from justin cooper. who we thought might take the fifth and he did not. bill: judge is listening. so far you heard what? >> most informative testimony of this committee, only acknowledgement of potential harm to secretary clinton, this man, justin cooper, had access

to all emails and did not have the required national security clearance. bill: quick break. this continues after this.

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. . martha: see you then. bye, everybody. john: the race for the white house ramping up today with one candidate still off the campaign trail, good morning, to you, i'm john scott. >> i'm heather in for jenna lee. hillary clinton resting at home for a second day today as she recovers from pneumonia while donald trump heads to iowa and then pennsylvania this afternoon. bill clinton will fill in for his wife in california while president obama campaigns for former secretary of state in an event in philadelphia.