u.s. landmark at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. features 132 rooms with 750 artifact the. factoring all that in, a real estate company puts the price tag at quarter of a billion dollars. >> whoa. >> interest rates are loy. >> see you back here in an hour. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> this is a fox news alert. donald trump holding a rally in the battleground state of ohio. the event on the heels of a blitz of major policy speeches. first mr. trump standing firm on tackling illegal immigration. telling an audience of our nation's veterans he will stop apologizing for america. this is "outnumbered." i'm melissa francis. here today. fox business network's liz macdonald. fnc political and legal analyst, eboni williams. national spokeswoman for the libra initiative. rachel campos duffy. today's #oneluckyguy, look at that, we have retired

lt. general michael flynn, former director of the defense intelligence agency and donald trump supporter. he is also author, in his spare time, the new book, fields of fight, how we can win the global war against radical islam and its allies. he is outnumbered. first time on the couch with us. wow. exciting time. >> very exciting. melissa: did you bring any weapons? >> i have two right here so. [laughter] liz: i think you have stars on your socks. melissa: very nice. we're excited to be here. let's get started. as we monitor donald trump in ohio, we begin with the gop nominee talking tough on immigration. hours after sounding diplomatic in mexico city, trump came out swinging in arizona, vowing no amnesty for anyone in america illegally, especially criminals. he took a shot at hillary clinton. listen. >> i am going so create a new special deportation task force

focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice just like hillary clinton has evaded justice, okay? melissa: as he mentioned during his appearance with mexico's president, trump vowing to build that wall and more. >> we will build agreat wall along the southern border. [cheering] and mexico will pay for the wall. believe me. [cheering] 100%. they don't know it yet but they're going to pay for the wall. on day one, we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful southern border wall. [cheering]

melissa: mexico's president enrique pena nieto painting a different picture. tweeting quote, i made it clear that mexico will not pay for the wall. meantime trump earlier this morning, turning to national security and the military, telling the american legion convention this: >> we will stop apologizing for america, and we will start celebrating america. one country, under one constitution saluting one american flag and always saluting it. [applause] melissa: all this as fox news poll showing a tightening of the presidential contest. hillary's 10-point lead from month ago chopped almost in half, down six points, 48-42 nationally. in a four-way race, hillary dropping to two points, a virtual tie. general, let me start with you.

one of the impressions i got watching the press conference down in in mexico, mexico's president wants a wall. donald trump says we don't want illegal immigration and and we don't want guns and dirty money coming back over the border as well. is that accurate? >> that is accurate. every country needs to have its own sovereign ability to secure itself. mexico has an enormous problem, not only along what comes back into the mexico from the united states, but their southern border is a desperate situation. the noise who is going to pay and, and all that sort of stuff, this is about security for our country. that's the big message that donald trump has really put out to, you know, for over a year now. i think he put his finger on something that is so necessary for our country to do because the scourge of narcotics alone,

i mean the kinds of heroin coming into this country right now, and you see it all over the country. it is not just in the southern states. it is all over the central states. it is up in new england. it is just terrible. melissa: go ahead. liz: what was really striking, reuters did analysis, 65 countries around the world ha have a wall. there are 750 miles of walls are and the european union. >> look at the new fence around the white house. >> i don't think the wall or taking back criminal felons and sending deporting them is very controversial. what i found frustrating as hispanic woman watching this street, the really controversial part what do we do with the 11 million people undocumented, especially those who have children who are american citizens, he kind of pulled a fast one on us, he did what politicians do, we will deal with that after, when we, i'm glad you brought that up, because i, he addressed that very point with laura ingraham. we'll talk about it afterwards.

>> there is no softening. we do it in very humane way. we'll see with the people that are in the country, obviously i want to get the gang members out, the drug peddlers out. i want the drug dealers out. we got a lot of people in this country thaw can't have. those people will get out. and then we're going to make a decision at later date once everything is stablized. there is really quite a bit of softening. melissa: general is that the fast one she is talking about? >> i don't know if it's a fast one. i totally agree the wall is actually a minor issue. >> agreed. >> the bigger issue is coming to grips with the sheer scale of the illegal problem we have in this country. so i think that's, that's the challenge. and when you're talking about you know, sort of who do you start with first, what donald trump laid out last night in phoenix was a set of priorities, and it is really going after the felons. it is looking at things like sanctuary cities, but prioritizing exactly what it is

what we need to do to be able to get our country back to where it's a sovereign, secure, safety country. >> he could have done a lot better if he actually addressed it. >> i think he laid that out last night. >> policywise, rachel and the general are hitting on something important, the nuance detail that will matter in the end. let's talk about politics. we know donald trump found himself in sticky situation in past week 1/2, ambiguity, where does it stand and changing and pivoting. he had to address that. politically what he did was smart. we talked about buzzwords. the wall is not the most important thing. but when it talks to the signature political issue of donald trump's canada sir, the wall is actually the most important thing. that is the security issue but talking about the wall and mexico paying for it, rhetorically is very important for donald trump to talk about. liz: donald trump is bringing up a lot of inconvenient truths, general. 23 countries won't take back their nationals if convicted of crimes here.

so you have chuck grassley saying, department of homeland security and government should yank visa ability of those countries not taking back the criminals. what do you think about that? there are nuances here. >> that particular stat he laid out last night is super important. what else do we give to the 23 countries? i guarranty you if you laid them out, we're giving them foreign military sales, security assistance. we're probably pouring money into those countries and they're going to refuse to take back their own citizens who got here illegally? i mean -- liz: and commit a crime. >> and are committing crimes too. that is unbelievable. melissa: let me ask you about many soft other things he laid out in terms of securing the border and i want to get your opinion on it. we'll have 5000 more border patrol agents. more stations along the border. >> triple the size of immigrations customs, i.c.e. i think that is necessary. their numbers are around 5000. they need 15 to 20,000 new, you

know agents out there to be able to do the job. melissa: yeah. what do you think -- >> i'm sorry. i.c.e., which is our immigrations and customs element, they, they have less people to handle all of our border problems, all of our border security, working with cvp, than what new york city has in their police department here. >> tell you why that is important, as criminal defense lawyer i dealt a lot with i.c.e. you're making a important point, general. when they are deficient in size and capacity -- we send people defendants who have pled or found guilty to them. when they don't have the manpower to efficiently expedite them to the countries, not being accepted, it is a clogged drain. that is essentially what we're dealing with. that has to dealt with. melissa: can i ask but the idealogical certification. this idea he moved away, extreme street vet, but the idea you

find right people to ask right questions to figure out where people really stand. can you do that? >> i think you can do that. we do it now. takes 18 months to go through the whole process, i believe. i'm not an expert on that, but this idealogical certification, do you believe in our constitution? is that what you are here to do, versus, having a -- melissa: believe them if they say yes? >> you will have to take a hard look who is applying the test. liz: quick one. would you ask immigrants and refugees and migrants into this country to pledge allegiance of the bill of rights to this country? >> absolutely. we probably do that now. follow the laws already in place. melissa: new trouble for hillary clinton over her emails as newly discovered documents suggest she sent classified materials from her private server after she left the state department. the potential fallout from that coming up. brand new fox news polls a

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sent classified emails after she left the state department. according to documents obtained by the republican national committee through a freedom of information request. what she wrote had to be redacted and a lot of docuements had to be redacted because it was so sensitive. it was about the 1, 2, 3, deal with the united arab emirates. one, two, three, deal referred to a 2009 agreement with the u.a.e. to share material and technology for nuclear energy. so, general, i thought that hillary clinton didn't send or receive classified information at all? >> and so the fact that it is after she left government and she is still in the process of sharing and receiving classified information, i mean, you know, sort of stepping back, just this incredible perpetuation of fraud, dishonesty, and in everything that is coming out. at a certain point in time the

american public has just got to say, when is it going to end? what should we expect to come out next? is there going to be, beyond shoes being dropped, the shoes have been dropped. if there is something has been done to me this, is one of the greatest leaks of national security secrets we have had from the time she started as secretary of state, using unclassified device. now finding out after the fact, she still sending and receiving. >> general, one, two, three, that is yoga rue teen. remember she said. i know. >> i know you're not. this is not about -- >> i agree. this is serious stuff. >> this is really serious stuff. these are countries out there who do not see our way of life as their way of life. countries like russia, countries like china, countries like iran and north korea.

they will use any information they have, not necessarily to get after hillary clinton but potentially there may be plans or intentions or capabilities that we have, definitely human lives. liz: what is the political fallout of this latest revelation, do you think. >> this is why hillary's numbers are so, because as acting secretary of state, she is an agent of our country, critically important one. she heads the state department. >> oversees the rules for it. >> oversees the rules for it. her failure to provide proper security around these issues, it is humongous. she didn't serve criminal indictment, this is indictment of her judgment and her capacity. liz: sorry, melissa, james comey said anybody would have done anything like this would be sanctioned. that means fired and have your security clearances revoked, right? melissa: absolutely. how do men and women in the military feel about taking orders and having a leader that didn't follow -- >> like a knife put in your back.

once you leave government, so if you're at that level, i'm a couple of levels down below where she is at as secretary of state, member of the national security council. when you leave government, if you're going to retain the clearance for rest of your life as i am able able to do but i have to follow certain sets of rules. if i engage foreign government rules, i have a certain set of rules. i have done that to a t. she is following no rules. she is like above the law. liz: the other issue, i'm not suggesting there is a link. i find it strange that the clinton foundation was hacked. the state department was hacked. the dnc was hacked. all of those entities were hacked. you to say herself, this was her private email she was sending this information. >> i mean the ability that she has to look look you in the eye on camera, i did not, no classified information. i handed everything over, this is same kind of stuff her

husband did when he was in the camera and did it. that is exactly what you're talking about. why people having trouble saying they want to vote for her, even democrats that love their party. >> i learned a long time ago the truth fears no questions. to me that is such an important thing. you're not trying to dance around the head of this pin with all sorts of lies. it is just compounds itself. at some point in time, i honestly believe, i trust the judgment of the american people, i trust that at some point in time they're going to say we've had enough. i mean, and frankly, the media, the media needs to start to really pay attention to this, because, you know, back to the little conversation we just had a second ago, this is damaging to our country's national security. it is extraordinarilyiry damage. liz: i think so. >> staunch supporters of hillary clinton will not be particularly deterred by this, those in the middle and undecided, looking at both candidates with real questions and answers this has

to be compelling. brand new fox polls showing a majority of voters both see hillary clinton and donald trump as shady characters. 74% say clinton is willing to do anything to get elected. can you believe it? 68% say the same thing about donald trump. when it comes to honesty the numbers are equally grim. fewer than a third find hillary clinton trustworthy and honest, donald trump fared slightly better at mere 35%. general, you are a donald trump supporter. for those skeptical, truly on the fence and see this election as the choice between lesser of two evils, what can donald trump do to make himself look like the lesser of them? >> i think the one big problem with donald trump is he tells the truth. he tells the ugly truth sometimes about things that are happening around this country and i think he says a lot of things that a lot of people believe. so i think that donald trump needs to continue to do exactly what he is doing, to keep

telling the american public the truth about what it is that is happening. the direction that our country is going. the reason why i'm sitting here today, i support donald trump is because, this country is heading in the wrong direction. if people want to wake up in four years or eight years to a socialist country, have at it. vote for hillary clinton. >> politician, likability matters. the reason they do the poll around presidential election time who you would like to have a beer with, usually a good predictor. sounds like looking like the numbers you showed nobody wants to have a beer with these guys. >> i was going to say, you look at these two, both very good at beating each other up. most of what hilly is doing speechwise, targeting hillary clinton. do you think that is effective with these kind of numbers? melissa: i think polls either would do anything to be president. duh. 20 million people were down to

the two in the country, could be two of them possible president. i think they would certainly do anything. >> i don't agree with you. i don't agree with you on that. melissa: okay. >> look at donald trump, you say why does this guy want to be president? the very first conversation that i had with him, the very first question i asked him, are you serious? when he started to talk about the future of this country and he started to talk about his children and started to talk about his grandchildren, i have grandchildren. melissa: yeah. >> i will tell you that to me, that struck a nerve in my fiber because i felt like, this guy cares deeply about america. melissa: he thinks he can fix it. >> versus someone who sees themself in position of power. this is guy who looks at the people of this country and himself, otherwise why does a guy like him need to run for president? because he cares deeply for this country. >> i think he has to make the pitch. to the extent i feel completely compelled about what you're saying, general, donald trump

has to do a better job, figure out how to connect on the emotional level. liz: not speaking off the top of his head and making mistakes. >> i think he has been doing that for the last few weeks, particularly coming off of the challenges there post the republican convention. so you know, again, listen to what he is saying. listen, start connecting the dots -- >> does he listen to you? >> yes he does. he listens to people around him. i'm a very blunt guy when it comes down to things so. i would just tell you he is a great listener. and that was the other character trait i saw in him when i first met with him. he was willing to listen. and sit there and just absorb what was going on around the world, as i walked him around the planet, very complex and messy planet. does he really want to take on the perils of the next four years? the next president of the united states will have to deal with the world that is complete mess.

>> he is fortunate to have you, general. there are new doubts about the promises made with the nuclear deal. we're learning there are secret loopholes that other u.s. superpowers gave to iran as the hostage ransom controversy grows. is iran getting upper hand. the u.s. general leading fight against isis going well. some of his predecessors, they disagree and they're speaking out. what they're saying and what the differing views mean. stay with us. ♪

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meanwhile there is growing controversy over the $400 million cash payment to iran on the very same day it released american hostages. the chairman of the house foreign relations committee, congressman ed royce, is working on a proposal that would criticize the administration for the payment and prevent similar deals from happening in the future. general, let me start with those side deals. a lot is coming from a report from david albright, who was formerly an inpeck tore for the u.n. international atomic energy agency. how common is it to have side deals and loopholes and have the administration lie to the public to say there weren't any? >> so a couple of things. chairman royce's proposal is something that i will be recommending to donald trump to take a hard look at because it is a very, very important proposal. the iranian nuclear deal is a complete disaster, and everything that you just talked about is, you know, is what we are seeing. the foolishness and kinds of

things that we have heard coming out. white house about how, we sort of fooled the american public about the whole thing, essentially, in 1984, iran was put on, by the reagan administration as the leading state sponsor of terrorism, okay, around the world? today it is still on that list. so the united states state department still lists iran as the leading state sponsor of terrorism. yet we just gave them a path to a nuclear weapon $150 billion. we paid them the $400 million back for hostages, they appear to have more hostages now. melissa: why is the administration saying we took them on the path. path. how can we have that kind of disparity? >> we put them on the path to talk clear weapon, we gave them a time limit, 10, 15 years to develop a nuclear capability. so, will they follow that? no. i say this sort of tongue in

cheek but iran's national anthem is death to america. liz: what happened here was according to this report, it was a joint commission with the u.s. was a member of this joint commission and so was iran that allowed these exemptions to go through. you're right. it was not a deal. it was a treaty. if congress could have gotten a crack at this i'm not sure it would have happened. what do you think? >> many other people. this is another, it is more evidence that shows how this white house is cutting unilateral deals with iran and not, trying to hide the whole thing and trying to mask this whole thing. tell the american public what it is that they want to do and why. >> isn't it about his obsession with legacy? this is really about him to burnish his legacy and sacrificing our national security interests at the altar of his legacy. i can't think of any other reason. >> i think president obama will least next president of the united states a mess, and in

this case, with the iranian nuclear deal, this is a, this is a country that continues to spew hatred against the united states of america against countries like israel, who has violated this deal. the deal really hadn't been signed. they wrapped it up in july of last summer and it hasn't been signed. i don't think iran will sign it. why should they? we keep giving them everything. >> i didn't like the deal. as a lawyer, a good deal you know what you're gaining and the american public never had the clarity. i'm still not clear what we get out of this deal. that aside, though, this dealing by the american people of a deal, it is not new respectfully, right? this is not new to the obama white house. there is precedent for side deals. absolutely. i have questions around why do we continue to engage with people that we know, as you said, the leading sponsor of terrorism? >> leading sponsor of terrorism.

i don't know why. this is where you, you have to go, ask the hard questions, so the media dig in. this goes back to everything from the beginning of this administration all the way. again, i, i have to be conscious what i know and what i don't -- what i can say, but i will just tell you that, inside of, as i was watching things happen i'm saying, oh, my god, we're being dishonest. tell the american public what's going on. along the path. melissa: why did you say you would recommend congressman ed royce's deal? >> i think he has some points in his, in his sort of strategy that make a lot of sense. and what we have to do, and eboni said it, how does america win? melissa: yes. >> how do we win? this is not a win-win. how does america win? that is something we have to do.

liz: we should dig into the subjects. let's dig into this one. the u.s.-led war against isis enters its third year, we have former u.s. commanders speaking out on the way forward. despite the rosy assessment by the current chief of us u.s. central command there is some doubt what is going on. retired marine corps four-star general and centcom commander anthony sin any telling time mag ian, it is a bad strategy. it is the wrong strategy. maybe i would tell the president find someone better serves who believes in it. >> that is good guy. liz: he didn't hold back there. we're in the third year of this fight and isis still holds raqaa and mosul. they still hold a lot of territory. >> this is more than the third year of this fight. let's face it, we're in a state of perpetual conflict. the administration's strategy is, to me is incomprehensible,

it is incoherent. and i kneel bad for our military commanders. they have to be brutally honest. maybe when they close the door and all in the room with president, but they have to be brutally honest. i know, i talk to a lot of these guys and gals, they are able set with direction things are going to go. we have to look at this enemy from a military standpoint. we have to look at this men any and fight it idealogically. the militarily we can fight all day long and do a heck of a lot more. the problem with this administration they're tying our hands to fight this enemy idealogically because they don't want to say, the, oh, the radical islamist terrorist phrase. there is an awful lot to clearly defining who your enemy is in order to develop a coherent strategy. liz: the 9/11 report said as much. 11 times.

>> went in overwhelmingly got rid of them, just boom, get rid of them? we know our military can do that. doesn't that solve some of the idealogical problems? they have had space by not defeating them right away, they have space to export their message and frankly to, to commit atrocities on children, on women, on -- >> so on the military side i think the best thing to do, commander-in-chief, tell your military leaders, if it is donald trump on day one, say in 30 days i want to see a plan to win and come back. if they are not -- >> how long would that take? >> come back in 30 days -- >> how long would it take to get rid of these guys? >> i don't think it would take that long, militarily. in that region. we still have to fight the idealogically fight. if they're not the right people. find the right people, like abraham lincoln did, search for generals that can win the war. >> this is where president george w. bush and president obama gotten it so wrong.

they have been so afraid to make important distinctions between fair-minded, reasonable islamic belief and radical islamic terrorism. >> yeah. >> all of that distinction does is help actual law-abiding muslims. many of them said that. they have been clear about it. so why this continue all fear of pointing out the distinction is beyond me, general. >> i appreciate you pointing out the fact that both under bush and under obama. >> yes. >> i take that on in my, in my book actually. what we also have to do, is we have to start thinking about how do we create sort of a new 21st century alliance with people like president el-sisi or king abdullah in jordan? we have to embrace the leaders to take on the problem themselves but they do need u.s. help to be able to, to be able to do kind of resourcing and command and control and all other military kinds of things. but also on the idealogical front. that is a, that is a global problem. i mean we're talking 20 to 30

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there will be a lot of different opportunities for me to talk to the press. >> the press should be ashamed of themselves. >> trump held at least 14 news conference this is year. >> this sleazy guy right over here. >> his combative approach is far cry from clinton's. >> secretary clinton on foreign policy? >> shy is generally too business ignoring reporters to insult them. liz: wow. >> elizabeth, is this smart strategy to run out the clock? liz: yeah. people talking about strategy to run out the clock. almost successful teaching a cat to bark for her to have a press conference. is it successful? is it showing up in the untrustworthy numbers. is that why the numbers are going up. not answers questions about the private server in basement. not answer questions about emailing classified information. not answering questions about the clinton foundation.

it may be showing up in negative. she is record negative ratings in approval ratings from gallup, from a number of polls right now. melissa: i'm surprised to see the rest of the press to jump on this. cbs is not only one. anderson cooper is pressing her the other night, saying when are you going to do a press conference. she came back to the same thing, talking to the press now. pretending she doesn't understand the difference and doesn't understand the question. now enough media outlets are calling her on it. interesting to see if regular people see that, why isn't she brave enough to face firing line of different questions. >> this is by design. this very intentional on part of the clinton campaign. it is very risky, gives up a lot of power and control. when she leaves these questions on the ground about clinton foundation, emails, all these things doing and clouding her candidacy right now, leaves it up to chance. do people feel like they will

give her the benefit of the doubt or do they presume the worst? she is very much banking donald trump undoing of his own campaign. she is hoping to benefit from that. what if it doesn't happen that way? what if donald trump -- >> it is not going to happen. the thing about this is, sort is of like what trump says, what the hell have you got to lose. if i was advising her what the hell do you have to lose? >> they already don't trust her. >> it is not a matter talking to the press, it is talking to the american people. if she is going around and giving different speeches to, i don't know, 500 people, that is what i hear, in the different places. he is going around and i've been with him on a couple of these, anywhere, 10 and 20,000 people with thousands of people waiting outside, this is about talking to the american people, because you, you madam secretary, want to be the next president of the united states of america? >> if you have kids and you have grandkids and you know if you tell, they can forget the lie they told. >> yeah. >> talking to the press involves

another kind of risk. melissa: look at the last time she went out and did it. let's not forget it was the december press conference where, ed henry, which asked her about the server, wipe it. you mean like with a cloth? that is one of the worst, most embarrassing lies. >> with a bleached cloth. liz: not answering questions from the press, does that mean this will handicap her -- i know she is doing a lot of debate prep with her team. melissa: yeah. liz: not for a year now, not answering questions from the press, she handicapped herself from the debates because she hasn't been hit from barrage of questions. >> she is rusty, emac, to your point. the ability to be off-the-cuff and quick witted, how to take a hard question and turn it on its head, make as political narrative works to your advantage. that is a muscle. tough exercise it. she has been off the bench almost a year. last time i recall she took questions as the association of black journalists conference and took a few questions and she

struggled with those. i had several friends in the audience said, those answers were not satisfactory. >> the democratic primary debates were boring. >> well they were. >> they were boring. let's face it. so i'm not sure if that was additional, you know, muscle memory preparation or whatever. yeah, i -- >> got to be stronger than that for donald trump i think. >> here is something that is not boring. 49ers quarterback colin cap per knack face as new challenge as he plans to sit out national anthem yet again in a city where pride for the military runs deep. should he follow through or back down? we'll have a good discussion with our general coming up. before taking his team to state for the first time... gilman: go get it, marcus. go get it. ...coach gilman used his cash rewards credit card from bank of america to earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. at places like the batting cages.

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♪ melissa: quarterback colin kaepernick's refusal to stand for the national anthem to protest police treatment of african-americans could grow even more tense tonight with kaepernick expected to be on the field ahead of the final

preseason game against the chargers, when navy officers will perform "the star-spangled banner." oh, boy. as part after military night tribute. kaepernick says his protest is not directed towards people in the military. telling "usa today," quote, i have great respect for the men and women that have fought for this country. i have family, i have friends that have gone and fought for this country and they fight for freedom. they fight for freedom and liberty and justice for everyone. that is not happening. people are dying in vain because this country isn't holding their end of the bargain up. wow. general, what is your reaction to the stance? >> yeah, a couple of things. he has the right to protest however he wants to protest and i really -- i appreciate the statement that he's made. one of the things i would like him to do is go look and study the night "the star-spangled banner" became our national anthem. the fight that occurred, and i would just say, just to have

some respect for that and in all of the things, all of the sacrifice that that, you know beautiful song represents and words in it represent for our country, all the way up till today. how you want to protest, the way he as chosen to protest i totally disagree with. he has the right to protest. if he want to continue to do this, at some point in time for the san francisco franchise, to me it's a business decision too. they will have to say, is this impacting on our ability to be able to have a team? is this, is this way the whole team feels? this starts to really eat away at bunch of other things, other than what stand he has taken. he has right to protest any way he wants. melissa: how do you feel like it personally? >> personally i don't like it one bit. i'm really disappointed that a young guy like this would do that. liz: you know the nba has a rule you have to stand, players in the nba has to stand. nfl doesn't have the rule. do you think they should have that rule?

>> the nfl like any other major organization, sports venue, because they represent so much, and so many people participate in it, in terms of, you know the folks that go to games and stuff i would just say they ought to just think about, he needs to think about what is he doing and is this the right way to do it. this guy a very wealthy young guy. what is he doing with his wealth? is he turning some of the wealth into neighborhoods? i was a kid that grew up in boys clubs. i went through the boys club system. i know a lot of guys were there that were mentors for us, is he doing that? is he putting his money behind his mouth? that is the only thing i would say. >> he is philanthropic though. i'm not a colin kaepernick fan. i'm a panthers gal. he dissed my quarterback. he is a pretty philanthropic guy. i will say this too. you have real military experience. i think there is no one's position more important than yours. interesting enough on twitter,

many people very offended by his stance, there is trending on twitter, veterans for kaepernick. i will read a couple these. don't use my service or any vet to -- black americans. not on my watch. baltic avenue, #techs for kaepernick. i didn't volunteer to fight for a country where police brutality is swept under the rug. they don't like the way he has chosen to do it, the way there is controversy, important we have a free voice an respect that. >> the point of the national anthem not all that is right about america. it is not the place to start with your grievances. this guy has to then a lot of second chances. he was adopted by a white family in this country. he is athlete, as you said who makes lots of money. probably obscene amounts of money. so i think this country has been pretty good to him. >> does that remove your right -- imperfections of america? >> the national anthem is about all that is right.

for god's sake there is lot of stuff right. >> need to take him to dover, delaware, where we bring back the next casket of next dead american who sacrifices their life. he needs to stand there at 2:00 in the morning, with the beautiful flag draped over top of it and he will think differently. >> you're right, general. melissa: wow, a great way to end it. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. we'll be right back. izza. um. something wrong? so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? you want the whole thing? yes, yes! live whole. not part. aleve.

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special thank you to general flynn, first time on couch, you survived. do you like it? are you coming back? >> it was fun. melissa: you were great. any final thoughts for us on the weekend? >> have a safe, happy, labor day weekend. melissa: thanks to everyone. we'll be back tomorrow noon eastern. "happening now" now. >> bracing for tropical storm hermine. >> 6,000 other troops now stand on alert with the storm expected to make land fall as early as tonight. recovering all the news happening now. >> i want you to know if i am fortunate enough to win this election, i will be a president for democrats, republicans, independent, for people who vote for me, for people who don't. for all-americans. >> the race to the white house tightens as new polls show donald trump closing the gap with hillary clinton.