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this morning. i'm maria bartiromo. it hope you're having a good tuesday morning. it is tuesday, march 12, you 7:00 a.m. on the button on the east coast. time for the hot topic of the hour. president biden unveils a 5 and-a-half trillion dollars of new and higher taxes package in his massive $7.3 trillion, 2025 budget. taxpayers are stuck holding the bag after all of the president's spending led to 40 year high inflation. the wall street journal reporting that more americans are treating their 401-ks like cash machines. a record share of account holders reportedly taking early withdrawal from accounts last year. credit card debt is now at a record high of $1.3 trillion but the president continues to tout his economy. watch. >.>> 15 million new jobs creat, that's a record, growth is strong, wages are rising, inflation is down, we reduced the federal deficit. inflation keeps coming down, mortgage rates will continue to

come down as well. maria: luke, the committee for a responsible federal budget is fact checking the president in that state of the union address, he said i cut the deficit by over $1 trillion, the committee says that is false. more than the entireity of the fall in the deficit can be explained by the covid relief money going away. here you've got individuals tapping into credit cards increasingly, your reaction. >> $1 trillion of new debt added, every 100 days, that doesn't sound like deficit cuts to me, right? the thing is about the tax cut, i think it was 1862 taxes and federal tax income tax came out for first time at a rate of 3%. now y we're at 12%. biden wants to raise it, it will be passed on to everyone. the corporate taxis at 21%. biden wants to raise it to 28%. everyone pays too much in taxes. that's going to hinder the economy. with regard to credit card debt,

20% of lenders don't think they'll buy a home, 70% of gen z doesn't think they'll be able to retire. this is called doom spending. if no one thinks there's a future, there's no point in saving to buy a home, no point -- lot of people aren't getting married, aren't having kids. they're spending selfishly on themselves, traveling, and that's contributing to all of the spending and earnings which is contributing to the stock market rise as well but that being said, it's not sustainable. in the end, it's only sustainable if you can keep your job. if we have cracks in the labor system things will break and dominos will start to. mto fall.maria: how do you this and investors react to the proposals, increasing the corporate alternative minimum tax to 21%, now at 15%. quadrupling the stock buyback tax to 4%, that's up from 1%. raising the corporate income tax as you said to 2 28% up from 21.

there's a 25% billionaires tax, if you are a billionaire you have to pay at least 25% and there's longer depreciation and higher fuel taxes on private jets. impact. >> this whole thing is weaponizing the tax code. democrats are weaponizing it to try to get votes, trying to say you have to pay your fair share. it's not about paying your fair share. it's a culprit of the government getting bigger over time. since we started income taxes if they the first place, since we started corporate tax in the first place, it's an excuse for the government to keep spending money so they regards to the stock market if we raise taxes, the government's going to continue to deficit spend, spend trillions of dollars. as long as the government keeps stimulating the economy the markets will like that and a that's going to offset taxs in the short term but it's not sustainable and the question becomes when does the bubble burst. maria: by the way, all of that doesn't include the taxes that you may have to pay on paper, right, like if you own a stock

and it's gone up and you're up on paper, for the year, you'll pay taxes on that which is just so outrageous, i think. you haven't even sold it and realized the gains but how about this, snickers is speaking out. they're denying the president's state of the union accusation that snickers reduced the candy bar sizes, snickers writes this in statement to cnn, we have nt reduced the size of snickers in the united states like many industries, we continue to face high inflation and spikes in material costs so there you have it. snickers says it's just not true. >> poor snickers, maria, slandered by biden's economic incompetence. you know, shrinkflation has been his favorite hobby horse lately but it's a gimmick term he invented to effectively absolve himself of any responsibility in inflation which is still saddling average americans across households commodities,

blaming companies for misleading consumers, really? i wish he would crack down like you alluded to against run away federal spending that contributed to the price surges rather than companies and back to the credit card debt surging. that suggests that he despite the biden administration's victory laps on inflation, that people are mortgaging their futures to afford today. that doesn't signify economic health to me. maria: cheryl, how do you see it? >> first off, the term shrinkflation has been around for a while. he's trying to own it. i think he's going to fail because this is not what anybody is talking about when it comes to how they're going to vote in november. remember, this is all political at the end of the day. i want to go back to something about this budget. we finally get the details on president biden's budget and it really is just a rerack of proposals interest a year ago. it's not going to go anywhere. house republicans have proposed their own version of a budget where they're cutting trillions in spending, 14 trillion to be

clear, not trying to boost spending. new york poste post says it the, joe biden says he can't be trusted with your dollars and they talk a about the fact that in the budget you see all this money going to climate change, to wind farms and then of course the handouts for student loans and the leg up and the one thine budget i didn't have a problem with, a little bit of a leg up for first time home buyers because they're struggling to be able to qualify for a loan but overall, is this going to go anywhere at the end of the day? no. but it's a great political wish list, maria. maria: we're just getting started this hour. quick break and then how markets are on the move ahead of the cpi, coming out in an hour and-a-half. the word on wall street panel is here to weigh in. don't miss it. you're watching "mornings with maria" live on fox business. we'll be right back.

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maria: welcome back. time for the word on wall street, top investors watching your ' monday. joining me is ubs wealth management, senior vice president, bren brenda o'conners and luke lloyd. we are awaiting the big number coming out in an hour and 15 minutes, dow industrials down 19, nasdaq up 66 and we'll get the cpi coming up in one hour and 15 minutes kohl's earnings crossed a moment ago, reporting a double beat but it the did

post a smaller than expected decline in quarterly sales, helped by holiday discounts. sticks up better than 1% right now, tomorrow we'll get dollar tree and we'll get dollar general and dick's sporting goods on thursday, how do assess earnings so far and the retail sector in particular? >> so maria, we know that q4 has been a stellar earnings season. when it comes the retail sales, expect the value chains, the brands in the lower space to do particularly well, again this comes back to a strained consumer. we know again that credit card balances are over a trillion dollars, we know take that there has been a squeeze on cost of living, whether that's in rents, whether it's in groceries, whether it's in gasoline prices, whether it's in mortgage rates still being in the mid-7s and this is putting pressure on the consumer so we saw retail sales really weak in january. if we see another weak number in february, that's going to really signal something to powell.

maria: well, let me get your take in terms of what the fed does. we've got the meeting next week, the 31st, on the two day fed meeting. are you expecting any action or any alluding to a cut down the road, perhaps june? is that where you are, june cut? >> we are three rate cuts starting in june, again, maria, let's see what happens in an hour and investors are going to have to focus on inflation numbers in unison with the payrolls numbers that we saw on friday. look, there was a strong headline payrolls number but it was pretty mixed, we saw revisions down from the previous two months, we saw unemployment spike up to 3.9%, average hourly earnings did temper a little bit. that's what the fed needs to see to provide impetus to start t cutting. if we see cpi around 3.7%, reduction in the core from january then i think that does give power for the fed and for powell to start reducing in june. maria: yeah. let me just correct myself.

the fed meeting is next week, march 19th and 20th. so it is in fact next week, not the end of the month. 19th and 20th. luke, your thoughts on that as well as crypto. wow, are we out on the risk curve or what, crypto prices are down this morning but look at bitcoin, it topped $72,000 yesterday, another all-time high. thwhat is going on with crypto right now, luke, and would you buy into it? >> great question. i'm going to tell you the sam thing i said in december of last year, i said that bitcoin's in the best of both words, win-win situation right now. speculation like the nasdaq and technology, all these stocks keep on rocking higher and speculation comes back on the table that's good for bitcoin because bitcoin is a speculative asset. at the same time when you have the silicon valley based situation, community bank came in, that's what bitcoin was designed to do, hedge against the system.

you have the best of worlds situation, you have speculation and cracks in the financial a system. that's good for bitcoin. i'm going to tell viewers what i'm doing with my family right now. we allocated 4% to b c bitcoin n it was $18,000. it's quadruple since that point of time. new we trimmed it down. it's not bad to take some profits off the table when the time comes. as bitcoin rises it gives more excuse for the government to come in and try to regulate and do something with it, talk about it, because it takes power away from the government. if you have more cracks that form you'll hear more congress, more politicians talk about whether bitcoin is good or bad. that could cause volatility. maria: do you believe the fed is watching the cpi number this morning and will it dictate what they do? the meeting is next week, luke, march 19 and 20. what are you expecting? >> every data point i think influences the federal reserve.

at the end of the day, one unknown that the federal reserve has no idea what's happening is the impact of this technological revolution that's happening with businesses. implementation of artificial intelligence or technology to become more efficient when it comes to business side of things and if that's the case, you have a bunch of businesses pouring billions and billions of dollars into their business to try to make up for this technological revolution or try to implement the technological revolution. if that's the case, that's inflationary which doesn't surprise me. it might be an uptick in inflation because you have a bunch of businesses investing money into the new technology. maria: we'll see. the numbers out in about an hour, a lot of people expecting a hot number but piper sandler, nancy lazar said it will be below estimates. this is a market mover. brenda, great to see you. luke, you're with us all morning, we appreciate that. quick break and then president biden's massive budget proposal includes 5 and-a-half trillion dollars in new taxes, just under

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maria: welcome back. well, the white house is asking for 5 and-a-half trillion dollars in new and higher taxes in president biden's massive $7.3 trillion budget for 2025. biden requesting just $4.7 billion in emergency funding for homeland security as illegal migrants surge our southern border. he wants more than $400 million for the border patrol and nearly 900 million for -- to counter the deadly fentanyl problem. joining us now, texas congressman august pfluger. congressman, your reaction to the president's budget? >> well, maria, thank you for having me on this morning. it's no surprise it worsens our economic situation, he raises taxes, they're going to increase the debt and deficit by $34 trillion over the next 10 years or 18 trillion to get to

50 trillion total in our debt. but really he does nothing to you aaddress the situation at te border, he's actually continuing his war on fossil fuels and what we need is policy changes at the border. what we need is a commander in chief who actually goes to the border and understands that there are no consequences and the fact that he says in the event of a surge, we'll create a slush fund, an emergency fund to help process he's more more imm, signals to the rest of us who know what's going on that he doesn't have any intention of stopping this crisis. maria: i think this is a really good point you make. when i hear money going to the border i'm thinking what is that money for? i know that we need policy changes at the border. i've heard from a number of republicans how remain in mexico worked under the trump administration. but if you give more border money, give more money to the border, doesn't that just mean you're hiring more people to continue processing more migrants p? >> well, that's exactly right. it's a slush fund for mayorkas

to be able to send air marshals like he wants to, to the border to process, which we have ledge layings against. he wants -- legislation against. he wants to process faster and more efficiently. when you talk to border patrol agents they'll say they need an overtime adjustment. they are working overtime. we have been working on that. we need to continue building a wall, we need technology to identify those coming you cross the border but they don't need money nearly as bad as they need policy changes and the political will to the stop this tragedy from happening which is three years running now. maria: yeah. walk us through some of these tax increases. i mean, he claims no one making $400,000 is going to see any taxes going up. but if you're raising taxes on small business, doesn't that also capture individuals? because some of these tax increases he wants to increase the corporate alternative minimum tax to 21% from 15%. he wants to quadruple the stock buyback tax to 4% from 1%. raise the corporate income tax

to 28% from 21%. there's a 25% billionaires tax and then there's the longer depridepreciation and higher ful taxes on corporate jets. >> it's obvious when you compare and contrast that with the 2017 tax cuts and jobs act which kevin brady championed in the house of representatives which increased revenue, lower taxes for every single american, their approach is completely opposite. they want to tax corporations, they want to continue increase taxes, which will affect every single american and it will affect their paychecks but will also affect what we as consumers are purchasing, what the economy is running on. it's a completely different approach. but the fact is, they're going to raise 75, $80 trillion in taxes over the next 10 years as opposed to republican plans where we'll spend less and we're going to continue to bring your taxes down, acfollowfollowingin-

acknowledging that's the way you increase revenue, that you unleash american energy, unleash small businesses, don't have taxes on corporations which are employing thousands of people so it's a completely different approach but i think the one thing we can agree on is they're acknowledging there is a problem with the economy and the fundamentals of our economy with this budget. maria: h well, a completely different approach in terms of how to allocate money. the biden team wants to spend money on the climate change agenda, you know, kill fossil fuels, the republicans want to tap into the u.s. energy capacity and secure the border. a new gallup poll reveals 55% of americans see illegal immigration as a critical threat to the united states. the president told reporters yesterday that he is counting on the border crisis to solve itself. watch this. i've got to get your reaction to this exchange. >> mr. president, when is the border executive action coming,

executive action on the border. >> the border action will happen by itself. maria: happens by itself, congressman. >> this again falls in the category of you can't make this up. here's our chief executive, the commander in chief with an nonsenseical reply. we need your help, your leadership. it's not going to solve itself. we need you to say you're going to take immediate action but unfortunately for the three years running you have created a situation where we have 9 million illegal immigrants, hundreds of people matching the terror watch list. congress has passed the strongest legislation which was hr2 and you've taken zero action on that. it's time to step up. it's hurting every community. maria: i want to talk about your bill. you are introducing a bill to block noncitizens from serving as administrators in our nation's elections, this seems practical to me.

of course you want citizens to be doing this kind of work but just last month san francisco appointed a chinese national to serve on its federal election commission. they actually did the ceremony in chinese. this is incredible. what is going on in san francisco and why are noncitizens going to be in charge of our elections? >> you know, look, i applaud anybody who wants to become a citizen. that should be the highest standard to become a citizen but our voting system depends on citizen pship. it depends on reaching that point where you say i love this country, you take the pledge of allegiance seriously. it is unbelievable to think that places like san francisco are putting noncitizens in charge of the voting system which doesn't just affect san francisco, it affects federal election as well. this is a growing trend across the country, placings like new york city, washington, d.c. where i have legislation as well to prevent no -- noncitizens frm

voting. we make sure the voting system is elevated to the level of citizenship, anyone running in it, oversight, including registering new voters is a citizen and in this case if you read the interview, this lady in california said she wanted to represent the interest of all noncitizens because they have a stake in our voting system. listen, we have got to make sure that we keep our voting system and the integrity of it completely pure when it comes to set senseship as -- citizenship as as the definite ultimate gold standard. maria: congressman, come on, is this really going to pass. you and your colleagues couldn't get senator haggerty's amachinedment past, he was barring illegal alienses from being counted in electoral seats. it failed in the senate. listen to what senator haggerty toll me on the program yesterday. >> we want them to create more

electoral power in their blue states, creating sanctuary cities to be magnet so they'll flow to the blue states. they're shipping them there as rapidly as they can, 10 million people have come in here, it would be 13 additional congressional districts allocate inned the right way. this is a tremendous amount of power that the democrats are bringing in. maria: is that what this is about, congressman? getting illegals to vote, is that why we have an open border, so the democrats have more voters on their side and if so, what are you going to do about it? >> well, i think this bill is one step in the right direction. you're right is president biden going to sign this into law when he literally opened our borders to millions of people? probably not. but that still doesn't mean we don't take action. we are going to take action. i hope the senate will look at this and t action. we do have a big problem.

the deconstruction of the rule of law at the border is a problem. it will be their legacy. it will be the top issue on the ballot in november with republicans having real solutions. maria: congressman, always a pleasure to catch up with you. thank you, sir. >> thank you, maria. maria: augu all right. august pfluger joining us this morning. quick break and we'll be right back. stay with us. (♪) is bad debt holding you back? ♪ the only limit is the sky ♪ ♪ it's our time ♪ ♪ you don't want to miss it (just a little bit louder) ♪ ♪ it's our time ♪ ♪ you don't want to miss it ♪ ♪ it's your moment in the spotlight ♪ all your ambitions. all in one app. low fixed rates. borrow up to $100k. no fees required. sofi. get your money right®.

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payments made to stormy daniels, bragg indicting trump on 34 counts of falsifying business records. jury selection is expected marc. the trial is expected to last six weeks. we'll see what the ruling is. a new bill proposed in california would extend legal aid to illegal immigrants convicted of violent felonies, the bill's author says it would be a step forward for racial justice. taxpayer funds would pay for lawyers to defend illegal migrants and the money would come from the nonprofit grants that are meant for education outreach and help with immigration status. right now, state rules mean those funds cannot be used for those that are convicted of violent crimes. well, new york may be known for iconic pizza. that's not stopping the city from reducing new you regulation that could put 100 local pizzerias ott out of business. the plan would require wood and

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regional banks in focus, one year after the collapse of silicon valley bank. new york community bancorp is facing stability risk, closing the cash infusion deal agreed to last week, announcing plans to submit a 1 for 3 reverse stock split of its common stock to shareholders. nycb stock is down better than 68% just this year, year-to-date. joining me is the ceo of kbw, thomas mishow with us. thank you for being here. your firm is the leader in terms of this bank research. i want to get your take on the stability of these banks. we had the collapse of svb one year ago and now we're questioning the state of regional banks after what we're seeing happening with new york community. >> maria, good morning. it's two things. one is while three banks unfortunately spectacularly

failed last spring, 4700 did not. the industry is resilient. that won't stop the challenges of commercial real estate. i heard you speak about new york community. commercial real estate losses are going up and it's going to go up for banks, it's going to go up for nonbanks involved in the industry. and like you said, the question is how resilient is the industry to handle it? so if you looked at new york community, you would see that it was probably one of the most concentrated banks in commercial real estate. so while it was unfortunate for the shareholders in new york community t i think it was rather bullish that some sophisticated capital was really to recap the company which i think says something about the industry's resilience so that's how i would wrap it all together. maria: where are the specific risks and threats? because i spoke with steve schwarzman, the chairman of the blackstone group. they're the largest owner of commercial real estate in the world. by the way, i reported this last week. he told me rent is no longer going up.

so rent is going to be a big component of the cpi coming up. rent is flat to down according to steve schwarzman. we'll see if it shows up they the cpi number. but also according to schwarzman is the fact that he says commercial real estate is not all bad, it's just office space. so are you looking at weakness around office space only or are there other cracks we need to understand? >> you're right, commercial real estate's an enormous class, one of the biggest in the country so you've got to break it down into slices. the areas we are most focused on are big urban typically coastal commercial real estate buildings. you look at wells fargo in the fourth quarter, they have a 10 and-a-half percent reserve against that portfolio which is a very significant reserve. we also look at anything that's rent regulated a concern and we're looking at seasonality, loans made in the 2021 period for example when interest rates were essentially zero as those

start to re-fi, you're going to have to look at the ability to handle the re-fi. all that being said, maria, but it gets back to this one year anniversary. can the industry handle it? we think it's not a systemic issue, it's an earnings issue. so that's why we think certain companies are going to have more risk to their earnings estimates but we don't think it's a solvency issue and i think that's what the history books are going to say about this moment. there are individual companies like new york community that are in the eye of the storm but it's not a systemic issue. maria: when i spoke with howard lutnick, chairman and ceo of cantor fitzgerald, he told me to expect $900 billion of he defaults because of the issue you're talking about, because the rates -- the interest rates are changing after the 11 rate hikes from the federal reserve and that is a game changer for some of these companies. is that the kind of he dedid fault situation you -- default situation you expect to play out. >> if something like that

defaults that could be bad if you're the equity holder. a lot of the banks lent 50% loan to value on some of these properties. wells fargo has a 10 and-a-half percent loan loss reserve. we think the global financial crisis was less than 10 and-a-half percent. the banks have equity ahead of them. it depends where you are in the capital stack but i also want to get to the stocks, maria. because the headline risk to these challenges for individual companies is enormous. i was watching the key bank index while the news of new york community was hitting the tape. you can see the banks going down. our view is there are trough if phis on sale. -- trophies on sale. we had a conference. i spoke to one ceo from montana. he has no rent controlled loans on his books so there are a lot of really well-run regional banks and the bigger banks have much less commercial real estate exposure. we like trueist, for example, we like u.s. bank corp.

had hamaria: what about the prs in terms of oversight? we're watching the basel 3 end game right now, the banking regulations and we've been talking to a lot of people about the banking regulations. here's what the wall street journal writes, the banking regulations will not address some root causes of the regional bank discomfort. thomas. and the broader outlook for regulation appears to put u.s. banks at a disadvantage. that's what jamie dimon told me when i asked him what jp morgan has to say about these basel 3 proposals. watch this. i you've spoken about this, the capital levels required for thebacks as we're end of the comment period. what is your assessment of these proposals. >> these will be embedded in

everything. some said big corporations can afford it. they will pass it onto customers. it will be passed on in a million different ways. no one ever looked and said here's the outcome of the changes and we want these outcomes. the outcomes should be what you want. so the mortgage business is leaving bank, credit is leaving banking. if that's what the regulators want, so be it. if we have to hold 30% more capital in the us than foreign pep competitors in the us, i dot think it's appropriate. i think the work was poorly done. maria: your reaction to basel 3 end game proposals. >> i think they're too strict. i agree with jamie on those points. the american finance industry is the leader globally, helps the economy tremendously. to take it to a higher level than international competitors and like jamie said, i don't know what the end game of the policy is, what is the goal other than trying to push

business out of the banking industry which i think will have adverse impact down the road. but also to get back to what we really need, we need deposit insurance reform because, maria, if we were to flashback a year, remember what the crisis point was. payroll accounts. a lot of small businesses didn't know if they could make payroll and wanted to know about the safety of their bank p. the fdic fund hasn't been modernized in some time. it's time to take transaction and payroll accounts, give them more deposit insurance, and that would have stopped the run a year ago. that's what should be done, not these higher capital ratios which i think are going to end up being anti-competitive for the banks and would not be focused on what happened last year. maria: such an important point that you make, thomas, it's exactly the sentiment of robert kaplan, former president of the dallas federal reserve, that is where he says change is needed

as well, looking at the insurance, thomas, great to have you. final word. >> final word is, the one area i agree with which is putting mark to market bond portfolios down a little bit lower into the industry, i think that is a good idea. that would be one proposal i think that should stick but i think that the deposit insurance is the null better one thing that could have stopped the spreadnd a it was the reason why the fdic was created. that's what i think should be focused on, not taking capital ratios up. maria: we will keep a spotlight on the deposit insurance. thomas, thank you. good to see you, sir. >> good to see you. maria: we will be right back. stay with us.

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maria: welcome back. national security officials are holding a classified briefing on the tiktok bill today. the houses is set to vote on a bipartisan bill tomorrow that would force chinese company bytedance to either sell tiktok or face a ban in the united states. some lawmakers are calling out the app and security risks. watch. >> it's literally reading your mind, the more you use it, the it knows about it. the problem is that bytedance and their engineers in china are the ones that own that artificial intelligence. and no matter where you put my

data or anybody -- i don't use tiktok. people that use tiktok. no matter where you store the data, those engineers in china have to have access to the data. they control the brain of tiktok, they control the artificial intelligence. maria: that's pretty serious stuff. joining me is federal communications commission senior republican and commissioner, brendan karr. good to see you. thank you for being here. walk us through the risks around tiktok and what you're expecting from the house vote tomorrow. >> tiktok presents a clear and present danger to u.s. national security that is categorically different than any other social media company out there. i've got my fair share of concerns with other big tech companies but tiktok is different. here's what we no, based on public already undisclosed -- publicly disclosed data. one, tiktok said for years that u.s. user data, sensitive data isn't even available inside of china and a blockbuster report came out and showed based on

leaked internal materials that, no, everything is seen inside china and that everything is searched in browsing history, key so stroke patterns , locatin data and they're using that for nefarious purposes. tiktok's parent company hads has a ccp cell embedded in leadership. tiktok leadership after they were caught, said we're going to change course and wall that data out. a wall street journal report came out showing personnel in china are getting access to the data. it's a serious threat. it's great to see the bipartisan tar gotted legislation working through the house. maria: i want to get your take on the legislation in a second but we've got mothers watching, parents watching right now and they may have kids who are on tiktok and they don't necessarily understand this

threat what specifically is beijing or communist party of china doing with this data, why should i be afraid of them having this data on me. >> it's deeply concerning. most parents probably think of tiktok that it's like any other social media application where it's content from your friends, your friends' friends, not at all. it starts to feed videos determined by algorithm based out of china. studies show that accounts set up for 13-year-old girls within minutes of those accounts being set up they're fed self harm, eating disorder, suicidal ideation content the and compare that to the version of tiktok going on that's available inside beijing, shows kids there educational material, science exhibits, museum exhibits so it's a very concerning application, both from an espionage perspective but also from a foreign influence point of view. maria: wow. brendan, that's why you posted on x tiktok presents a different threat to the united states than any other big tech company, commissioner. it's different than a facebook.

it's different than an instagram, is that right? >> independent studies looked at it and showed that the source code for tiktok h harvest an unprecedented amount of data. they found a lot of code or severity warnings more than two times as bad as other social media. some people said we need privacy laws and stop data flows in general. there's nothing wrong with that in principle. it doesn't work with tiktok. they already tried to do that. as long as they're beholden to the ccps there's no way, even if they're well intentioned to stop those bad actors from getting access to u.s. user data that's why the bill is so important because it breaks tiktok from its ccp ties and people that love tiktok get to continue to use it but just in a way that doesn't present a security threat. maria: all right. so break down the bill for us. what do you like most about it and do you believe it's going to pass in the house and actually result in tiktok breaking ties with the ccp, the communist party of china? >> the bill's in a really good

spot in the house, it was 50-0 vote in the house commerce committee. i hone it passes this week and it's off to the senate. senator shy you her -- senator schumer and senator cotton wrote a letter raising concerns about the national security threats at tiktok. i like the odds there as well. the bill is targeted. some concerns are based on previous bills that were arguably broader than this one but here it only applies if an application is controlled by russia, china, north cree he ya -- northkorea or iran and if ita national security threat and there's process as well, has to be public notification process and congress is also involved. so this is targeted. no new authorities to the government to go after individual use earls. users. it's a smart way of legislating in the area. a lot of people questioned whether congress can get big things done. they're on the cusp of a significant legislative win this week. maria: on the cusp of getting a

legislative win, that means you believe that a ultimately tiktok will be forced to sever tie was the communist party is that what you're saying. >> this bill will definitively resolve the serious national security threat from tiktok by requiring them to divest. we've done it on other applications. the technical implementation of it is less of a problem than getting the policy cut right and that's why it was so important to have the bill, bipartisan, it's a really smart path forward. maria: maybe. commissioner, why is anybody to believe that tiktok is dangerous when president biden is all of it? okay. he's doing tiktok videos campaigning to young people right now. >> it's a good question. look, the biden administration's national security team has been very clear about the threat and frankly once the bill passes then anybody can be on tiktok and so m a way that's safe and doesn't present a national security threat so we can square the circle once the legislation gets passed. maria: if they sever tie was

the ccp. >> that's right. maria: do you think it will get acquired by an american company? under trump there were discussions that oracle could you acquire tiktok, right? >> yeah, it's possible. it doesn't necessarily need to be a u.s. company under the legislation, it could be he any company as long as it's not beholden to the board. they can do this consistent with the first amend machined, some people say tiktok is a free speech plat form that people use and the constitution and the supreme court law is very clear, this is legislation based on tiktok's conduct that presents a national security threat, not its contents. the supreme court draws a clear line between those so as long as we're legislating looking in the future about a national security threat it doesn't present a first amendment issue. the constitution doesn't require the government to allow tiktok's national security threat to persist. maria: commissioner, great info from you. we appreciate it. thanks very much. >> thanks. maria: already, brendan karr joining us. we'll be right back, historics and unforgettable scenery with viking.

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