maria: good friday morning, everyone. thanks so much for joining us this morning. i'm maria bartiromo. it is friday, july 28. your top stories, 6:00 a.m. on the east coast. today inflation on deck, markets are looking at a rebound after

yesterday's decline after we wait the federal reserve's preferred read on inflation. the nasdaq is up 126, s&p 500 higher by 20. we are waiting on june personal consumption expenditures index, the pce index out at 8:30 a.m. eastern. we have our all star panel here to react to the numbers, check inflation and impact on markets. the federal reserve releasing capital requirements for major banks following the stress tests earlier this year. robert kaplan is here at the top of the 8:00 a.m. hour on all of that. more earnings on tap this morning as well, chevron, exxon, procter & gamble out before the opening bell this morning. we'll get you the numbers as soon as they hit the tape and show you market reaction. european markets this morning trading this way, take a look, mixed performances in the eurozone. the ft 100 in london, the cac quarante in paris mixed with the dax index lower by 12 points.

the asian indices overnight, the biggest mover in china, shanghai composite up almost 2%. then biden administration tries to change the conversation away from hunter biden crime as a super seeding indictment is filed against president trump. special counsel jack alleging trump asked an aide to delete surveillance video from his mar-a-lago system. the former president slamming the charges says there is no case. chris wecker is here later this morning. joining us this morning, krysia lenzo along with john lonski. "mornings with maria" is live right now. ♪ put me in, coach. ♪ i'm ready to play today. ♪ put me in, coach. ♪ i'm ready to play today.

♪ look at me. ♪ i can be. ♪ center field. maria: all right. hunter biden admitting to a federal judge that he received more than $600,000 from a chinese communist party backed company. this contradicting what president biden said during the last 2020 election debate. watch this. >> my son has not made money in terms of this thing about what are you talking about, china, i have not had -- the only guy that made money from china is this guy, he's the only one. nobody else has made money from china. maria: meanwhile, fox news' mark meredith asking the white house about the possibility of hardening hunter biden at -- pardoning hunter biden at some point. >> from a presidential perspective, is there any possibility that the president would end up pardoning his son? >> no. >> is there -- >> i just said no. maria: joining me now, south carolina congresswoman, nancy

mace. congresswoman, it's good to see you this morning. thanks very much for being here. >> good morning. maria: starting off with the hunter biden proceedings, there's so much to talk to you about this morning. what is your take on where we stand in terms of the hunter biden situation? >> well, joe biden should be getting nervous right now. the evidence is adding up and than goodness for the judge earlier this week who saw the plea deal for what it was. this guy should not have a sweetheart plea deal in the middle of the investigation. dennis archer will talk about the times that joe biden was in the room via conference call, et cetera. everything that joe biden has said about hunter biden and these business deals has turned out to be an absolute lie. maria: well, this is pretty extraordinary, what's going on right now. >> yeah. maria: at this point, the conversation of impeachment is alive and well. house republicans joined me on this program, talking about

calls to impeach joe biden as a result of what you just said. watch this. >> well, we'll follow the facts where they lead. but our own speaker says that that has to be on the able, you know that the facts are pretty dire for this president. this is a decision that the entire republican conference will have to make. i do think the facts are beginning to pile up. >> we are going to do this the right way. i don't think the democrats are going to be happy with where we end up. .>> the evidence is overwhelming. the nail is in the coffin. the coffin is completely made of nails. >> having the impeachment inquiry allows us to get all the facts and have the most constitutionally recognized power from the house of representatives. ultimately, i believe we're going to find more llcs, i believe we're going to find llcs that go straight to joe biden himself. maria: congresswoman, you and your colleagues in the oversight committee have been very clear, this is an investigation into joe biden and now we're hearing

many of your colleagues talk about impeachment inquiries. what's the timing on that? how do you see this playing out? >> i'm not sure about timing but certainly the impeachment inquiry gives us more leverage as we're going out to get evidence because the doj, the fbi more recently we heard from irs whistleblowers have tried to block and tackle this thing, keep it in hidden away for no one to see, swept under the rug and we've got to use every tool in our toolbox because the american people don't trust congress and we have to show every single piece of evidence so they can trust the evidence, they can trust the truth when we deliver it to them with all the evidence that's becoming overwhelming. i don't know how joe biden runs for president after all this and what's coming out. maria: well that's a really good point. look, i want to talk about the ufo hearing in a second but let me just end with this on this topic. right now you've got the biden administration ramping up the

charges against donald trump so how do you feel like you're going to be able to penetrate here when in fact jack smith sees something like evidence happening here in this situation and focuses only on donald trump. there's a super ceding indictment now. >> super ceding indictment and a different standard with how people are treated. looking at the deal hunter biden got, that's not a deal anybody gets. looit's a complete double stand. the other thing about the hunter biden, joe biden mess, based on the evidence i've seen so far, i think the number is going to be north of $50 million that we're talking about here. this will go down as one of the most politically corrupt presidents and families in u.s. history and we've got to show and prove it to the american people. we've got to show them everything that we have. maria: wow. so you're saying the amount of money that the biden family has taken in is north of $50 million. >> it's huge. maria: based on what you've

seen. >> oh, yeah. maria: that's incredible. >> it's enormous. it's mind boggling that the doj, the fbi, the irs sat on their hands and done absolutely nothing when they've seen that kind of money flowing through dozens and dozens of shell companies, the bribes, the payoffs, the everything, the money laundering, racketeering, everything that's been going on and nothing -- no one in that family has been held accountable and it's wrong. maria: unbelievable. let me turn your attention real quick to the ufo whistleblower testifying before your committee this week, congresswoman. here's one of those exchanges and the questions that you asked. watch. >> do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft. >> as i stated publicly already, biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah. >> were they i guess human or nonhuman biologics? >> nonhuman. >> was this documented, video,

photos, eyewitness, how would that be determined? >> the specific documentation i would have to talk about. maria: this is pretty stunning. your reaction? >> i was shocked actually. my jaw was on the floor. i was kind of at a loss for words there. here's the thing, if secrets have been held from the american people, they don't have trust, they won't have trust in their government institutions. the last question i asked in that hearing, i asked a witness for a list of friendly and hostile witnesses for a future hearing, another hearing, whether in a public setting or private setting. we ought to get to the bottom of it. one of the other bombshell pieces of information that came out of that hearing was allegation of miss appropriation of funds. how much are we talking about, who is getting it and where is it going? maria: this is just extraordinary. what a moment in time, congresswoman. thank you very much. historic and you are a member of congress and the oversight committee amazing stuff. thank you so much. nancy mace. we'll keep a watch on all of that. >> thank you. maria: we'll be right back.

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maria: welcome back. a super ceding indictment filed against president trump in his mar-a-lago clas classified docus case. special counsel jack smith bringing down three more charges, alleging the former president and a hotel manager tried to delete surveillance video at the florida property. 56-year-old carlos olivera will appear in court on monday, facing charges of moving boxes at mar-a-lago. president trump giving a statement, quote, it's election interference at the highest level. the charges are ridiculous. this is prosecutorial misconduct at a level never seen before. the company is suffering from doj abuse says former president trump. joining us now, attorney chris wecker. thank you for being here. what is your reaction to the

latest chargeout of the doj and special -- charge out of the doj and special counsel. >> putting my attorney hat on, i would say donald trump is a nightmare of a client with unforced errors an things that i'm sure his attorney advised him not to do, he's done. but having said that, let's make a comparison. the previous guest talked about the destruction of the hillary clinton e-mails. so that -- her team was under instructions from congress not to -- or to preserve those e-mails. the young man named paul combata bleach bit 33,000 e-mails, 33,00033,000 e-mails on that ser while they were under orders to preserve that evidence. and he was given immunity. he lied to investigators first. they went back and reinterviewed him and eventually it came out. yet they passed on him, they gave him immunity. point it, low level guy in the clinton campaign destroys a

substantial amount of evidence. nothing. a low level person here that works in the hotel is asked to destroy, if you believe the allegations, is asked to destroy the videotape and it never gets accomplished. and they get indicted. and gets indicted. so you can't help but realize there's a double standard here and a dual system of justice. it would take hours to make those contrasts between those types of investigations of people left of center versus those that are right of center especially trump. maria: how much of a threat is this to donald trump? because i know that for the grand jury in florida, there was much conversation about the jury potential and that it's going to be very difficult to get s 12 jurors to agree to a conviction in florida but perhaps a different story if d.c. is this super ceding indictment taking this jury to washington?

>> yeah, in the overall context of 40 counts, a 40-count indictment plus a cup of these addition -- couple of these additional indictments, i don't think these are serious in the aspects of the multicount indictment. it's an athe tempt or if you believe -- attempt or if you believe what they're saying, it's a conversation and that's what they're indicting them for. in the overall context of the broader indictment, i don't think it's a big deal but it just shows the scorched earth type of investigation that's conducted when it's someone like trump or anyone else on the right side of the political spectrum and, again, you go back to all these immunities handed out in the hillary clinton investigation, the type of approach that they did to general flynn, really a deceptive approach to him. he thought he was doing a transition interview, they ended up entrapping him versus hunter biden who gets notice he's going to be better viewed and the u.s.

attorney's office said you can't interview him at all or if you did interview him, you can't ask certain questions. the contrasts, you could go on forever with them. it's so clear there's a dual system of justice going on. maria: i'm glad you mentioned hunter biden. it's not lost on me or the viewers the timing of this. yesterday we saw hunter biden's plea deal collapse, this week, rather, on wednesday. and now a day later you've got this super ceding indictment. is this an effort to change the conversation, as they always do, any time there's any evidence like the bank records indicating all the money that the biden family has taken in or the whistleblower testimony, suddenly that's when we see all attention from the don doj on dd trump. >> the timing is highly, highly suspicious. it happened so many times, it cannot be a coincidence these things come out.

again, if you're looking at this objectively and you drop your political affiliation, you can't help but conclude that this -- you know, there's a thumb on the scale here. and this is not how our criminal justice system is supposed to work. it's very disappointing. maria: yeah, disappointing, very discouraging, you're right. chris, good to see you. thanks very much. we'll keep a spot light on it. >> thank, maria. maria: quick break and then the federal reserve's preferred read on inflation, pce index is coming out at 8:30 a.m. eastern. our all star panel will react to the numbers, a look at market reaction as well. stay with us. we're on it. ♪ give a little bit. ♪ give a little bit of your love to me. ♪ i'll give a little bit. ♪ i'll give a little bit of my love for you

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coming down. joining me now is gina bolvin. thanks very much for being here. how important is today's report? >> it's huge. and it's going to top off a really big week in the market and it could be a catalyst. it could actually send the market higher. we're expecting a soft number and after yesterday's gdp report we think there's a better case for a soft landing. maria: okay. and we are looking ahead to the busiest week of second quarter earnings next week, earnings as well have been better than expected. technology is on deck next week, apple and amazon coming out on thursday. that could set the tone. what's your take on earnings season so far, and would you put money to work in these two stocks ahead of earnings given the huge runups we've seen year-to-date. >> it's been another great

earnings season that has been better than expected, maria. we're about 40% through earnings season. and right now we're having an 80% beat rate. so that's really incredible and it really just points to the resiliency of u.s. companies. i wouldn't be surprised if we have a correction here but i would put some money to work. we think that there could be some choppiness ahead of especially with this summer coming up, we have some seasonality coming into place but we expect this market to go higher and we're very bullish moving forward. maria: well, it certainly feels like estimates and expectations have become more bullish. john lonski, jump in here. we were talking about a recession every day, about a year ago, and things have been pushed out. yesterday we spoke with the chairman and ceo of bank of

america who told us that he's expecting a recession, that's the house call at b of a but he pushed the expectation out until the first quarter the 2024. >> this is like waiting for gadaut, i suppose. you don't know when it will arrive. we keep waiting. let's go to jerome powell's press conference where he strongly hinted we're not going to get rid of the risk of faster inflation until the unemployment rate rises. with higher unemployment you increase recession risk if not fall into a downturn that right now looks no worse than mild. the consensus has 3.6% unemployment rate of june rising to just over 4% by year's end at 4 and-a-half percent by the middle of n next year. we need this rise in

unemployment to prevent a rejuvenation, an acceleration of consumer spending that otherwise is going to bring back this fear of faster price inflation. maria: gina. >> well, i think john makes some good points. but i think that so many ebbing economists got it wrong in terms of predicting a recession this year, because they underestimated the consumer. and one of the side effects of covid is that it created a yolo consumer. you only live once. think of all the obstacles the consumer had to sur mount this year -- surmount this year. last year we had the tech sector pretty much crashing. this year we had a banking crisis. we had more inflation than we

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intel is rising in the premarket, issued a stronger than expected forecast following two straight quarters of losses. intel's ceo praising the second quarter results, saying the company is, quote, well positioned to champion a.i. the stock's rally adding nearly $9 billion to the company's market value this morning. it is up better than 7% right now on shares of intel. quick break and then president biden welcoming italian prime minister to the white house yesterday. china at the top of the agenda. we take a look at the meeting when we come back. and talk about congressional dramatics, one congressman takes a victory lap for going nine hours without water. what he was protesting. stay with us. maria: next week on "mornings with maria," monday, biden's border crisis out of control, former acting i.c.e. director tom h homan is here. tuesday, dennis archer finally

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maria: welcome back. exxon mobil earnings hitting the tape. cheryl with all the numbers now. >> stock's down just a little bit here. it was a decent quarter. they missed on earnings per share, came in at a buck 94, street looking for 201. there was a strong beat on revenue. they're a talking about cost reductions for the year, in total it's going to be worth about $9 billion. the company also talking about acquisitions, both exxon and chevron have been on kind of an acquisition tear. we got chevron this morning,

let's take a look at that stock as well. this was a double beat. came in at 320 on earnings per share, street looking for 313. chevron down more than 2 and a quarter percent. worse than exxon on a percentage basis. this was a revenue beat, 48.9 billion versus 48.17 billion. the comparisons to last year tough for both companies because they had record breaking quarters a year ago at this time. both of those stocks as you can see right now in the red. some other headlines we are following for you this morning. gilgo beach serial killer suspect's family returning to their long island home in tears after police spent two weeks collecting evidence there. they seemed overwhelmed. he lived in the home for more than a decade. more sex workers have come forward to police. he is charged with murdering three female escorts on long island. he's likely going to be charged

with a fourth murder soon. southwest airlines planning to make changes to its schedule. the ceo bob jordan saying it's clear that travel patterns post pandemic are not what they were pre-pandemic. he's talking about business travelers not coming back, therefore the company that's known for quick point to point hops is going to shift to longer routes. the change is set for next year. adjustment is include where the company flies, times of day, even days of the week. take a look at the stock in the premarket. we already got their earnings as well. stock is slightly down -- it's down almost a percent right now. and then there is this, greg sazar of texas mocked on social media for his thirst strike in solidarity with federal workers. in a tweet he said, quote, nearly 40% of texas construction workers reported not getting water breaks at work. more people get killed on the job in texas than any other state. if abbott wants to put profits over people it's up to us to

stop h him. the strike lasted just over eight hours, with a tweet, consistent grafts on existing between early lunch and late dinner. he added this is worse than ooc pretending to be handcuffed. there's so many tweets, i just don't have enough time to get to all of them. but it's quite entertaining. maria: it certainly was a stunt. cheryl, thank you. president biden meeting with italian prime minister giorgia meloni at the white house yesterday, biden praised her for standing strong in her support of ukraine. that vowed to deepen economic ties between the u.s. and italy. reporters asked the white house if biden will push her to distance italy from china. watch this. >> to what extent will you be

talking about china and the road initiative, do you have any indication that the italians are accelerating. >> they will discuss the benefits of closer transatlantic coordination regarding or approach to the people's republic of china among other topics but i don't want to do anything more to confirm any specifics. maria: joining me is afpi senior fellow, chairman of the china policy initiative d.c. international advisory ceo. steve yates back with us. steve, great to see you. thanks very much for being here it's been widely publicized that giorgia meloni may not renew the belt and road program that is currently underway in italy. it is coming up for renewal in a couple of weeks in 2024 -- couple of months in 2024.

this is italy's decision and hasn't included joe biden. how would assess the meeting yesterday? >> i think the china component is very important. italy's going to take a turn leading the g-7 coming soon so the biden administration seems to think the g-7 will be a platform through which to manage the relations with allies facing russia and china challenges together. the belt and road part is key as you point out. italy was an early recipient of that kind of initiative and italy was uniquely hard-hit with covid. textile industry had links to china which had a lockdown of domestic travel, a lot of the international travel went from china bringing the virus to italy, the economic impact was unemploying italians. italy's prime minister should be looking to strategically decouple from china, be concerned about revitalizing her own economy. it would be ideal if our

administration would work cooperatively with them to do that and help their neighbors, say like france and germany, get to the same religion on that. maria: it doesn't seem that the white house has that same religion. let's face it. we've had much aggression coming from communist china which has been met with no response whatsoever from this administration. i'm talking about the surveillance balloon, the police stations, the hacking into the commerce department and the state department and yet we're still talking about sending more cabinet members to beijing after antony blinken, janet yellen, as well as john kerry and now gina raimondo planning her trip there. >> yeah, it does seem like there's a strong itch to get back to business as usual. i think that's extremely risky. i don't think it's the right strategy. some of our allies are deeply invested in china too but i think there's an increasing international awareness and concern about the current government in china and its aggressive behavior. i think the people around the

world are ahead of their elected leaders in figuring out they need to respond to it. maria: yeah. krysia, jump in here. there's a new research from the pugh research center finds 50% of u.s. adults say china is the greatest threat to the country. >> i mean, this is not surprising. we have been discussing it especially on your show. you've been at the forefront of highlighting the great threat china poses to our nation especially with joe biden at the helm and with hunter biden admitting in course the business relations he has. my question would be, do you believe, steve, if anything was discussed about the origins of the covid virus and what occurred in wuhan in that meeting with meloni and biden? i would say as you mentioned italy was one of the first countries to get the hardest hit from covid. do you think this will affect the future relations? >> it should. but i have great doubts that it was actually a topic of

conversation. i mean, they seem to want to go to talking about the climate agenda first, above all else, and then maybe talking a bit about russia. kind of out of step with what that polling suggests where people see clearly that there is a security and economic threat coming from china. whether there's a threat coming from climate change is on the distant horizon at best to most voters. maria: yeah, i mean, what do you think the right response should be, steve, in terms of all of this aggression coming from communist china? how should the united states be responding? this survey i mentioned earlier is finding record high negative ratings for china in most countries surveyed. 87% of australia, japan, view china negatively, 85% of sweden, 83% of the u.s. and 79% of canada. >> well, i would think that democratic leaders or leaders of democratic nations if you want to put it that way should be going and talking to each other's people and say we hear you, we think you've got it

right, we want to wise up about the maligned influence of the chinese communist party. we want to talk up positive alternatives, by not investing in highly corrupt and nontransparent societies where you might actually get an equal or better rates of return if you do so. there's just opportunities to reorder or supply chains and dependencies and given their behavior on covid we shouldn't rely on them on pharmaceutical goods, given aggression towards taiwan we should be careful about technology supply chains and we should get wise about our energy sources and refining capabilities if not in our own country, at least our own hemisphere so all of these things would make good common sense in my view. maria: really important points that you raise, steve. thank you. steve yates joining us this morning on china from orlando, florida. thank you, sir. quick break and then concerns about the health of our elected leaders and if there should be age limits for public service

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goli, taste your goals. >> i would like to support a yes vote on this. it provides 823 billion, that's an increase of 26 billion for the department of defense and it funds priorities submitted. just say aye. >> okay. aye. maria: yes. aye. time for the "hot topic buzz." that was california senator dianne feinstein, appearing confused during a routine senate committee process and the proceeding yesterday involved just saying yay or nay. the 90-year-old democrat began delivering a speech instead of responding aye or nay to the

vote, this comes after mitch mcconnell's sudden freeze, he was frozen for 20 seconds mid-sentence at a presence conference this week, he had to be escorted out. elon musk reacted to that moment, writing on social media, we need a constitutional amendment, this is insane. krysia, it is incredible to watch some of our senior leaders here. your thoughts? >> it is really difficult to watches personally that last clip with mitch mcconnell, we're kind of just all waiting with baited breath to see what will happen next and this is exact what -- exactly what our adversaries are seeing on the world stage, what we're seeing with joe biden with his many gaffes. it's something to be concerned about. even 43% of democrats in a recent harvard harris poll are saying, yeah, this is a major problem especially with our president at this time but certainly with dianne and mitch

mcconnell, it's definitely -- i don't want to sound ageist but we should consider a constitutional amendment -- here we go, i'm making the s error there. we should consider an amendment to potentially look into term limits. i think that's something -- we have the faa limiting pilots at the age of 65. so we should limit those in government as well to some degree. maria: yeah. i mean, i think term limits is a great idea. not necessarily just for the age issues, but because some of these people have clearly become too comfortable and forget who they're working for. 43% of democrats say president biden is showing he's too old to be president, that is up 8 points from june. here's president biden having difficulties talking to israel's president just last week at the white house. watch this. >> well, mr. president, welcome back. welcome back to washington. welcome back to the white house. pleasure to have you and we

brought israelis and palestinians together at a political level and -- maria: we have no idea what he was saying obviously, john. he was numbering there with the president of israel. your thoughts? he's actually reading from a card to say good morning and thank you for being here. welcome. >> right. this is really sad and it tells you that at some point you have to recognize the fact that you're losing it in terms of your intellectual capacity and it's time to perhaps step aside. now, in order not to be accused of ageism, sure, there should be an amendment that says you can't serve office beyond, say, the age of 75 or 80. but at the same time, you have the option, you can always serve as a consultant to elected officials. much in the same way, look at

henry kissinger, 100 years old and he seems to be doing quite well speaking to the chinese perhaps better than our current secretary secretary of state, blinken. maria: great point. quick break and then explosive revelation from judiciary chairman jim jordan, saying he said documents prove facebook censored certain americans on behalf of joe biden's white house when it comes to covid. stay with us. ♪ i don't want to sit across the table from you wishing i could run. ♪ i want to love you madly. bi rude. who are you? i'm an investor in a fund that helps advance innovative sports tech like this smart fitness mirror. i'm also mr. leg day...1989! anyone can become an agent of innovation with invesco qqq,

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>> we're flagging problematic posts for facebook that spread disinformation and facebook needs to move more quickly to move for harmful posts, posts remain up for days. that's too long. the information spreads too quickly. maria: that was former white house press secretary jen psaki in 2021, talking about the administration's effort to prevent covid misinformation of. what is covid misinformation? the house judiciary committee is releasing new documents that tell us the biden administration was forcing facebook to delete certain posts that may have been true in a very long social media thread, judiciary chairman jim jordan revealed, quote, the facebook files part one smoking gun documents prove facebook censored americans because of

biden white house pressure. the documents include an april 2021 e-mail from a facebook employee to mark zuckerberg and former meta coo sheryl sandberg writing, quote, we are facing continued pressure from external stakeholders including the biden white house to remove posts. joining me is senior research fellow at the center for growth and opportunity, will rinehart. will, your reaction? >> yeah, this is by far the worst of the revelations that we've seen and, you know, we kind of heard about this and kind of have known something like this was happening behind the scenes at the end of last year. it seems like this is the best evidence to suggest that meta, in particular facebook, really felt pressure from the white house to actually take down these posts. the earlier ones seemed to suggest that they were kind of complicit in this but this one in particular, these revelations in particular, what we've really learned recently is they felt pressure and that to me is suggestive of coercion and that

is -- you know, that definitely does not pass first amendment scrutiny. maria: well, the even more outrageous thing here is that the posts may very well have been true so the white house is telling social media to amplify lies and suppress truth. senator tom cotton came on this program early during the pandemic and told us that it's very unlikely that covid-19 was transpired through an animal and in fact it was likely leaked from the wuhan lab and man made. these are the kind of posts that the white house wanted deleted. so who is the white houseworking for? china? defending china that they didn't want it to look like there was a leak out of the wuhan lab? why? >> i think that basically they were just trying to stop anything and everything that they felt was misinformation and that was pretty expansive. that to me i think is the big

problem when you have these close relationships between big tech company and the administrative agencies that basically they see a problem and they try to deal with it massively and so they try to trample down every single thing including potentially as we saw memes that were probably -- you know, they were obviously for free speech issues, should have been kept up. i think the big thing you're hitting on here is the agencies themselves and the government, these interactions really should be scrutinized, we should have better understanding, better transparency what's going on. there's a whole bunch of bills that are trying to do this right now. i hope congress would think about passing some of those. i think that's the way to deal with this is to bring light to the entire situation and transparency. maria: what i'm saying, it could be more sinister than that, that they knew that this was true and they still wanted it shut down. the white house is still dodging questions about this. they were asked yesterday if the administration is still working

with social media companies to remove posts. watch this. >> how much is the white house now working with social media companies concerning posts? >> we have promoted responsible actions to protect public health, safety, and security. we have consistently made clear that we believe social media companies have a critical responsibility to take account of the effects of their platforms, that they have on the american people, while making independent decisions about the content of their platforms. this is -- there's a specific case ongoing and so i refer to the department of justice. maria: will, total disregard for the first amendment. >> i think that it is -- it's very disconcerting, especially what you saw within that case they're talking about, this is a case in louisiana that's going on right now that basically revealed very kind of disturbing things, particularly that the agencies themselves, it's kind of hard to see exactly what the relationships are but