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we are tracking the very latest on special counsel john durham's report just released his four- year investigation into the fbi and what he says were the agency's rash handling of the now-debunked trump russia collusion probe. first to the continuing crisis at the border. the biden administration claiming migrant crossings at the u.s.-mexico border have unexpectedly fallen since title 42 expired on thursday. president biden is saying yesterday the border looks "much better than you all expected" when he was speaking to reporter s outside his delaware beach home. border czar vice president kamala harris claimed the situation is "going rather smoothly." we've got fox news bill melugin on the ground in brownsville, texas, with the very latest on all this. bill what's going on? reporter: david, good afternoon to you. some concerning news to report according to multiple cbp

sources last week in border patrol's san diego sector agents arrested an afghan national who crossed illegally and was later a match on the fbi 's terror watch list. take a lack at this map right here. sources telling me this happened near otay mesa, inland san diego county on wednesday. i'm told this afghan man crossed with a group of migrants. was apprehended by border patrol they were taken to the station. fingerprints were run in databases and he was identified as a match on the terror watch list. i'm told the fbi later confirmed that match and is now leading this probe. now congressman darrel issa represents the area where this happened. he released a statement to fox which says in part, "is it any surprise that among the 5 million illegals biden has permitted to violate our border that some of the world's most dangerous terrorists have also taken advantage of this presidential chaos to enter our homeland? both the president and his border czar, vp harris, owe the american people the truth. they also owe the nation a

course correction from this disaster." we also want to show you this video out of el paso on friday shot by texas congressman tony gonzalez showing severe overcrowding in a border patrol facility. this room you're looking at capacity of 120. the congressman says there were more than 700 adult men in the room at that time. the whole facility at capacity of about 1,000. the congressman says on friday, there were about 3,000 migrants there so that video giving you a snapshot of what it looked like on friday and lastly we talk about migrant mass releases. take a look at the court dates they are getting. take a look at this. our colleague one of our colleagues at the washington examiner talking to a venezuelan migrant in brownsville released with a court date in 2027 and then our colleague matt finn in el paso talked to a colombia man who has been released with a court date set for 2026 and back out here live, david, border patrol contacts i say that is a pull factor drawing migrants to the border.

they know if they can cross illegally, step foot in the u.s. they have a great chance of being released into the country and they will be good to go for several years as our immigration court backlog continues to get worse and worse sending it back to you. david: i'm glad you're down on the border covering it, bill, as always good stuff thank you very much. so despite a weekend slowdown in immigration, border states are still concerned over mixed messages about whether the biden administration has any plans to parole migrants into the u.s. without any court dates at all, or whether those court dates are so far out in time as bill was just saying as to make them meaningless. our next guest has sued the administration, federal court over the issue. we welcome texas attorney general ken paxton. good to see you, sir. thank you for being here. by the way, what do you think has caused the slowdown? it's pretty dramatic from 3,500 in one-day last monday to just 500 yesterday. why the slowdown? >> look, i don't know and i don't know if it's permanent we're talking about a few days.

all i know over the last two years the numbers have been significantly higher than they've ever been before so hopefully, that's a trend in the right direction but i don't know if a couple days is whether that's sustainable or whether we're going to just be on the same path we've been on for the last two years. david: so what is your lawsuit all about? we understand that florida of course also has a judge ruled against plans from the department of homeland security and the specifically customs and border patrol to kind of let people go without even passing out these long overdue dates of reentry. what is your lawsuit specifically targeting? >> yeah, so we actually have two that are connected and let me try to quickly explain. the first one was about the 30,000 a month they are sending from nicaragua and hate a and venezuela and cuba that the biden administration is just flying in. we argue that's a violation of the so-called parole exception which only allows you in if

there's some type of an urgent humanitarian reason like some medical issue or if you have a substantial benefit to the country as an individual not to let everybody in. on top of that we added the supplement all lawsuit when biden changed his policy on may 10 the day before title 42 ended to say that parolees can now just come in, not even have a court date set and they can just give you an address, give the border patrol an address and supposedly show up sometime to setup a court date so we are arguing that both of those are illegal and don't follow federal law. david: now do you assume that there have been mass releases so far, as many people on the border do? >> oh, yeah. we have no doubt there's been mass releases, really almost immediately. david: as you well know, secretary mayorkas just last week at the end of last week denied that was happening. he said it at a press meeting that in fact it wasn't happening there are no mass releases to which you say what? >> i say he's the guy that told

us the border is under control over the last two years so he's out there saying that almost everyday so it's really hard to take seriously a man telling us there's no crisis, and if there is one it's not their fault. it's congress fault or somehow donald trump's fault but the reality is we've had a crisis for two years, and i don't believe that they're doing anything to enforce any immigration law. they are doing their best to get around it. david: how does this end? what do you think the ultimate goal? a lot of people are thinking that perhaps what the administration is doing is creating a crisis in order to create some kind of mass amnesty that will eventually come along and all those people that have been let in over the past two and a half years will be given amnesty of some sort. is that the goal that you think is at play here? >> i'm pretty cynical about this because i'm looking at the consequences. the increased drug deaths, fentanyl overdoses, higher crime rates, and yet, i think the reality is yeah, they want more voting and they want to be

able to given and second they are trying to bring as many of these people as they can to republican states because it becomes more costly for us. we end up with maybe a different voting population and i think it's creating chaos in republican states and biden is doing that on purpose. david: it's creating chaos everywhere. new york is not a republican state and as you well know, the mayor of new york is just overwhelmed with migrants now coming to his city. i know you smile because it's nothing compared to what you guys have faced down on the border but still it's enough because they call themselves or we call ourselves a sanctuary city here in new york, and so but they are forced to send them out into the suburbs now. >> well no, you're right that is why i'm smiling and the reality is we're all border states now but it's also true that new york is dealing with a tiny fraction compared to what we're dealing with, and obviously, they were the ones that created the sanctuary city saying they wanted people to

come, so it's a little hypocritical now to say that you've got major problems when you've created an environment where you actually ask for it. david: there's an old saying. beware of what you wish for. you may get it and that's what happened to new york. a.g. paxton, thank you very much. now, we have asa hutchinson, joining me is former arkansas governor and 2024 presidential candidate, asa hutchinson who is listening to us talk about this. you've been concerned about the border for some time. first of all great to see you. thank you for being here. the white house is actually now taking credit for this decline that's happened over the weekend of migrants. do you think they have any bragging rights at all for that? >> well that's a little bit misleading, because you had an enormous spike of migrants and apprehensions at the border and obviously, its declined since then, but it was that spike that is an enormous challenge for us. you also see that this administration has adopted

some of the policies of the previous administration, and so they have toughened up their policy, but it is so late in what they have done and i played them for making that change but let's be straightforward about it. they've had to go back to some of the policies that were reject ed earlier. david: so in other words just to put a fine point on it, they're taking credit for stem ming the tide by using the tactics that were used by the previous administration that they criticized. >> which is absolutely necessary to get a happened el on the border. the other thing that's very important is and i think attorney general paxton was speaking of this , that the apprehensions, the migrants should not be released into our society until their cases are processed. they should be held until they can meet with an immigration judge. they can make their asylum request. they can make a legal determination as to whether they are entitled to or status here in the u.s. , and so we've

got to follow that legal system there. we can't just catch them and then release them in the united states and ask them to appear four years later. that, to me, is a fundamental point. the other thing that this administration is missing is really a focused effort to go after the cartel. the cartel is one that's causing and it is human suffering along the border. david: and that cartel by the way is embedding itself in the united states right now. not just in the border either, in regions all over the country as i mentioned a.g. paxton, new york is having problems, and where the migrants go very often , the cartel is going with them. >> well, absolutely. i was head of the drug enforcement administration. we saw the same challenge with methamphetamine coming into our country, that it was a criminal organization that were not just bringing it across but they were distributing it in the united states and you see the cartel that's doing that today with fentanyl, and so this is something that impacts not just our border states but impacts

arkansas, impacts new hampshire, all across this country, and it's causing deaths, and the cartel is one that is really responsible for that. we've got to be able to target them. mexico is not cooperating. we need to be able to bring them on board to say this is undermining the rule of law. both of the united states and in mexico. david: there's another threat to our national security, which is that we now have terrorists trying to come across the southern border. i mean, they may always have been there but the ease with which people get through is not being lost on the terrorist outside of this hemisphere that are trying to get in and they're getting in and yet let me just play for you something the president said about the greatest threat to the united states to our national security. he said this over the weekend. roll tape. >> a harsh reality that racism has long torn us apart. it's a battle that's never really over. the most dangerous terrorist threat to our homeland is white

supremacy. david: governor what do you make of that? >> well it didn't seem like it was that well-received in the audience, but i've prosecuted white supremacists. i did that as united states attorney. it is a threat to our nation, particularly whenever they move into violence, but i would not call it the greatest threat. when you look at the greatest threat that we have, it's a security of people that we do not know who they are that might be coming to our country to harm us, and until we can get control on those that are coming into our country and make sure that we're protected there, i think we would have to consider that our greatest threat. david: but you know there are consequences to the united states when the president of the united states says that that is the greatest threat. you see the way that the fbi is making these kind of knee jerk moves against this supposed greatest threat, calling for example, conservative catholics a threat to the united states. they tried to, the fbi tried to

pass that off. they were caught. they pulled back, but the fact that they would go after something like that and of course the parents who were upset with what their schools were teaching, i mean, is there a total miss direction of law and order in this country because of cues that the fbi and others get from the president? >> this is a very important point and that's why the durham report that came out today is so important, because they said the fbi has not applied the law effectively in a particular case but from my experience, the fbi needs to be more focused. they need to be reformed. three weeks ago when i announced for president, i said the fbi needs to be reformed, and so that's a major point and really beyond the fbi and they're good people. they have an important mission, but it needs to be more focused and they need more accountable. all of the federal agencies, there's so many of those , and they overlap in jurisdiction and

the fbi has the biggest breadth of jurisdiction, totally across-the-board, and that is one of the reasons that they're less accountable. they are more subject to misuse by the department of justice from a political standpoint. this has to be reformed and it's going to take an effort and i believe the durham report will be helpful to accomplish that. david: governor, when i hear you talking about the border, about law and order in america and we haven't talked about economics but i'm sure you share views about that, that we're talking about as well from a conservative perspective, i wonder what differentiates you from the policies. not the man but the policies of donald trump who you be running against for the nomination for the gop. >> well one of the big differences is that i'm not trying to tear down our institutions. i'll work against the establishment but we have to remember how important our judicial system is in america. let's reform it. let's not dismantle it and

discredit it. whenever you're looking at our democracies, i want our democracy to work. i don't want it to be torn down, and so it's an optimistic view of america. at the same time we are at a critical point and we've got to change direction from the failed policies of the biden administration but we need new leadership that can win and win in november and bring in suburban voters and independent voters and it takes someone with a different view and a different approach to the democracy that we have, and that's a reason i'm running and that's the reason the economy is critically important so there's more differences and you'll see that on the debate stage than simply rhetoric and there will be subsidy differences that i think will be important. david: by the way i walk talking to vivek ramaswamy who was also running for the gop nomination. he was worried donald trump wouldn't come to the debates. what is your feeling? have you any inside information

about whether he will or not? >> not inside information but i have my view on it and one if he's not there we're going to have a really good debate on policy, and so that's the benefit of it, but if he doesn't show up, then it's going to hurt even the polls. he will drop and he will show up at a later debate. thank goodness we're going to have multiple debates this year. david: of course he could drop double-digits and still be firmly in the lead. >> he's got a big lead right now and we're working very hard. i'll be going to iowa from here for three days campaigning, and this is important to meet the voters one on one in retail politics. that's where you win this and that's how you change those poll s. david: great to see you again, governor, thank you for being here appreciate it. advocates pushing big changes to public schools from four day weeks, changing their grading policies and doing away with homework in hopes of leveling the playing field for students, so-called. calls to rollback biden's green energy push, the wall street examiner out with a new estimate

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tory to the process. in other words they aren't the premier law enforcement organization. they are in fact one that let us down by letting their partisan politics get in the way of smooth and appropriate judgment as to a potential crime. david: and the implication is not made in the durham report but a lot of people are making the implication that what is happening then continues in some way. you look at the unequal justice which hillary was treated and you look at the way trump was treated with his phony probe but then you also look at what happened in the 2020 election, when in fact you saw a lot of shenanigans going on with that claiming that the hunter laptop was russian disinformation. it seems like many of the same things continue to be a problem at the fbi. >> no question at all. we've seen this now for more than eight years. we've held multiple investigations. this is a organization that has

become co-opted by partisan politics and the worst part of it is theres sort of two groups . those on the right who want to enforce the law. those on the left who want to move an agenda, and the ones on the left are moving their agenda with some regularity and with im punity. the fact that they aren't prosecuting in a timely fashion hunter biden, the fact that they are ignoring his tax evasion and other things clearly are a problem. remember that that so-called disinformation hunter biden laptop, the fbi had it for months, enough months to know that he was involved in criminal activity. that he should have been registered as a foreign lobbyist and wasn't. he took advantage of his father in getting huge amounts of money in return for quid pro quo. david: and, you know, now, the fbi is refusing to answer a subpoena by the republicans to try to get more information from this whistleblower and now, the

informant of the whistleblower has disappeared. here is what congressman from the house oversight committee said to maria bartiromo this morning. take a listen. maria: do you know the whereabouts of the informant >> no, ma'am, i do not. maria: is he missing? >> apparently, yes. the telling thing about this is that our federal bureau of investigation and our justice department have basically just turned a blind eye to all of this and now it's come down to point where speaker mccarthy has to have a one on one meeting with director wray over just the way that they have handled this from the start. i believe it's happening this thursday. david: so this is the informant , just to alert our viewers who said, who told the whistleblower or at least had information that the whistleblower saw that there was a bribe that took place to vice president biden and now that informant has disappeared. what the heck is going on? >> well, the question is what

kind of a country do we live in in which those kinds of accusations are not taken seriously, and timely, and that's the kind of country we live in today. both are not being taken seriously, nor timely by the fbi and for clearly partisan reasons david: but the fact that the informant cannot be found, doesn't that give more impetus for the fbi to respond to the subpoena to get that document which talks about what informant was saying about the alleged bribe to the vice president biden? >> well this administration at all levels denies delays and creates disinformation and this is no exception, but the fbi doesn't answer or not answer questions at the case level. they answer or don't answer at the level of political appointees. david: yeah, well, in a court when a witness to a crime disappears, you have to consider the possibility of witness tampering, and i think the fbi

has a solution. they could release that document to congress to the republican congress. it's under subpoena. i don't understand how they can getaway with it. congressman we've got to leave it for that, at that for now. we'll get you back and talk more about this. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. we'll keep fighting. david: thank you very much. daniel penny's legal defense fund is now at more than $2 million in the subway chokehold case. advocates pushing for big changes to public schools from four day weeks changing their grading policy and doing away with homework in hopes of level ing the playing field for students. is this right? also, liz peek is here on calls to rollback biden's green energy push. washington examiner out with a newest it matt that the government may send up to $800 billion more than originally projected. more on all that coming right up

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david: well advocates pushing changes to public schools from four day weeks, changing their grading policy and doing away with homework in hopes of level ing the playing field with students but some worry that this will lead to a further learning loss after the covid-19 pandemic. fox news is in washington d.c. with the very latest on this. reporter: hi, david. well four day school weeks is a trend reshaping education in america's grade schools right now. the controversial move is meant to slash costs, and achieve equity among students. colorado school superintendent for district 27j says his schools love the four day week so much they're never going back listen. when i tell you its been about 80% in support of the four day week. i don't know anything else in the world that would currently get 80% support so as you would imagine our students are the highest at like 83-84% but really, parents and teachers come in about 80% support.

reporter: nationwide 850 school districts have dropped the fifth day of classroom learning. that's up from 650 districts back in 2019. chris fidler explains colorado schools made the switch after losing out on major funding. >> we made the decision to move to a four day week solely around attracting, retaining, and training qualita adults to work with our kids. we know the greatest impact on student learning is the adults they are working with. reporter: a recent study looked at six states that offer four day school weeks and found a huge learning loss that unan big use usually hurt student achievement overtime. the former education secretary said recently u.s. students are already hurting. >> the fact that, you know, 87 out of 100 students are not considered proficient or don't have a fundamental knowledge of u.s. history is just inexcusable we spend $750 billion a year on our k-12 education. we are not getting what we're spending. reporter: so far four day weeks are most popular in the rural

west but the trends also picking up now in metro areas, in texas and arizona. david? david: all right, jillian turner thank you very much. after months of stonewalling republican efforts to negotiate a cut in biden's multi-trillion dollar increases in the u.s. budget in exchange to raise the debt ceiling, president biden is suddenly switching for bad cop to good cop about continuing negotiations. here he is yesterday in delaware >> when is it actually happening, sir? >> we're working on that right now. >> well it be on tuesday? it's reported it'll be tuesday. >> i think so. david: what's pretty clear is that the president on negotiations wasn't playing well with the public, as we saw as we saw his poll numbers just virtually collapse as he continued to say he wouldn't cut a dime. with more details about whether biden's truly crying uncle or whether this will end up being just another stall tactic, let's bring in liz peek. liz, it is, you look at the poll

numbers of this president, and as he was essentially stonewall ing republicans on any kind of cuts, it is multi- trillion dollar bills, his poll numbers were going down. i think he was crying uncle. >> oh, i think there's no question about it. he really was the wrong note to strike, david, because voters not only are worried about the excessive, the trillions of dollars that were spent on covid emergency aid. they also link that to inflation they know that by overspending, now everyone in the country is spending 10, 20% more than they did two years ago on everything, on rent, on housing, and food and everything else, so there is a real problem here for the administration. i think they need to look like they are making an effort and up until now, frankly, they've given no ground whatsoever. republicans, by the way, biden may be sounding somewhat

optimistic. republicans really are not, because the president has not given way on anything but maybe taking back some of the unspent covid aid back into the budget but that's like a no-brainer. it's hard to imagine anybody resisting that. david: well yeah, as we call that low hanging fruit. i mean, that's easy to do. that wouldn't be enough for republicans though and one thing that they do want to clawback on is the extra $800 billion in spending in his so-called anti-inflation bill, which was anything but anti- inflationary. he loaded up with all these green policies. turns out costing almost a trillion dollars more than he said, is there any way he would cut back on order to satisfy republicans? >> well he may have to, but that probably will be one of the last things to go, david, but by the way, it may be why they are doing end runs in the way of executive orders on power plant emissions and so

forth so that perhaps this is not his only green tactic, right i mean, if this gets shot down to some degree, by republicans, he will have other avenues to pursue. i mean, i've never seen an administration so single- minded about an issue, and that issue right now is climate and i think voters are very nervous about it and they really should be. david: well and i'm just wondering if the same thing might happen to him that happened to him on dealing with the republicans on the debt issue. you hear what john kerry said about going after farmers because they are one of the big causes of climate change. let me just play that sound bite and get your reaction. roll tape. >> a lot of people have no clue that agriculture contributes about 33% of all of the emissions of the world, how critical it is that we get this right because lives depend on it. david: yeah, well, lives depend on food, and beating up on the people who put food on our table who work, you know, 18-19

hours a day doing so is not a popular thing to do. his administration is coming out with a lot of things that won't go well in the next election. >> i totally agree. they tried this in holland, david, and you have a new party that came out of nowhere and all of a sudden there's a real serious political force in holland. this is just plain stupid. david: [laughter] well we'll leave it at that. liz peek great to see you thank you very much appreciate it. >> thanks david. david: coming up the latest on ai regulation, plus, twitter's ceo breaks her silence amid re igniting fears of censorship on twitter. also the new york post john le vine on former marine daniel penny's legal defense fund it's now at more than $2 million in the subway chokehold case. more on that next. your car insurance...ty mus so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. ♪

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david: so the case against a former marine whose been charged with a felony for the death of subway panhandler is now getting national attention. it has become a national symbol for a legal system that appears on punishing the innocent for trying to defend themselves indeed the man who was killed in a chokehold by the marine had a long rap sheet and an outstanding warrant for punch

ing a 67-year-old woman in the face and witnesses to the tragedy now claim the homeless man was clearly intimidating the passengers on the train. the man who has been charged, daniel penny, now has an online defense fund of well-over $2 million. joining us now with more on all this is new york post columnist john levine. $2 million has been spent. clearly the money has come from folks all around the nation. this has hit a chord with people upset with how our justice system works. i think the first verdict is already in because you look at daniel penny's fundraising system and hings got over $2 million and a similar fundraiser for the family of jordon neely, with $115,000 and more than 10 times figure and where is the jury pool going to come from and it comes from the american people and i'm not making a value judgment but it's very clear that in the initial phase of this story, where the thoughts of the american people are. david: more than that the jury

pool is going to come from folks who have been stuck in a subway with crazy people who have been intimidating them in the past. >> everyone you know knows someone like jordan neely, and everyone in new york has ridden a subway knows the feeling of when a crazed person comes in and you look at the floor and pray that it passes by you. there is no right way to approach something like this. david: d. a. bragg has been doing everything in his power to give an easy ride to criminals that get arrested for violent crimes and keep coming out again and again. it's the definition of turnstyle justice. neely had been arrested 40 times prior and an open warrant for felony assault at the time of his death and you mentioned he punched a 67-year-old lady in the face. there was another assault of a child. i keep hearing about how this is a mental health situation but he never went after big guys his own size, always little old ladies and children. david: this is a tragedy on several fronts and one is jordan

neely. a tragedy he was essentially let down by the city. the guy clearly had some mental problems, mental issues that lead to a lot of his criminal activity. apparently, his mother i believe was murdered in 2007. that may have sent him over the ledge. so many arrests, but the bottom line is this city had something called thrive nyc under the previous mayor deblasio that was supposed to address itself $1 billion of taxpayer money went to thrive nyc, supposed to address itself to the mentally ill out in the streets who shouldn't be. this was supposed to help people like jordan neely. clearly it did not. >> thrive was created by our former mayor deblasio basically to give his wife something to do , she was in charge of the program. it was given actually $1.5 billion in its history and to this day no one can tell you where that money went. there's hundreds of millions un accounted for and their own reports about their own success or failure rate show they didn't live up to their promises and i'm convinced if we ever had a real change of

administration in new york city, and really looked under the hood of thrive, people would probably go to jail. david: but hundreds of millions missing? is there not an investigation now going on about it? >> no. one of our congresswoman, nicole malliotakis out in staten island expressed interest in looking into it but she's at the federal level and there's obviously a lot of competing interest they have to spend their time on. you need a local investigation here in new york and so far that's just completely -- david: what about aoc? aoc complained a lot about the death of jordan neely, and i understand her complaints about the death of somebody but if she wants to do something about what is not helping the mentally challenged people in the streets of new york, she should go after thrive nyc. >> she's been actively un helpful throughout this process. within the first 24 hours she was tweeting this was a murder which is obviously a legal term that if the marine is convicted it's not a murder. he's charged with manslaughter so she's actively unhelpful throughout this racial tensions. david: you think about the root causes of things as we're asked

to do by the current administration and clear clearly she hasn't been interested in this. john levine, great to see you. thank you for your reporting. tech expert jay denton on the latest on ai regulation also twitter's now ceo breaking her silence amid reigniting fears of censorship. but first let's check in with our friends dagen and sean to see what they have coming up next hour on the bottom line. hey, gang. >> sean: we have kellyanne conway talking about the long- awaited durham report it's finally here and we'll up pack it as well as the trump vs. desantis it's going to be great. dagen: charlie hurt is joining us to talk about judge jeanine's interview with daniel penny's lawyer again d. a. alvin bragg going after him and dave chapel going what the hecks going on in san francisco, that and so much more, straight ahead. you too, david asman. e economy.

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regulation members of congress are considering. number twoit will be the first time sam altman appears before a congressional hear egg. altman is the ceo of open a.i., behind chatgpt. they will question him along with an ibm executive and nyu professor gary marcus. marcus is one of the tech leaders who signed that letter a few months ago calling for a pause on some a.i. development. business is will be watching whether congress moves to regulate the technology. they see the rise of a.i. as transformative. >> the reason we talk about these huge technological trends, every once in a while, every generation a technology changes everything and that is artificial intelligence. that will be profound as the internet maybe significantly greater. it will affect everything. >> reporter: democrat chair of

the subcommittee richard blumenthal says a.i. needs rules to address promise and pitfalls. the top republican on that committee josh hawley is not calling so directly for regulation. instead he says tomorrow's hear something a critical first step towards understanding what congress should do. while we wait to see what congress does, we know other adversaries like china are putting a let of money and resources into artificial intelligence development. beijing sees a.i. as a tool not just for economic growth, david, but also for surveillance, potentially warfare. there is a lot at stake in this a.i. race. david: absolutely. trim tim thank you very much. for more on capitol hill's growing concern around a.i., welcome heritage foundation tech policy research associate jake denton. thanks for being here. republicans are sort of playing two sides of this coin, saying we need regulation, but you got to watch out for china because if we stop it down here, they're going to keep going.

they may win the raise. let me play a little clip of them talking about china, roll tape. >> if you overregulate as we tend to do, you're going to stifle innovation. quite frankly i don't want china to eat our lunch. >> we're so far behind, we're a laughingstock of the rest of the world. china is well aware of what they're doing. >> i think there is a broad concern about a.i. i think that gives opportunity forebipartisanship. i think our answers are different than democrat answers. david: jake, do they have a point about china? >> absolutely. ultimately this is a arm's race. we can't halt development like one letter called for but at the same time we can't allow this to go unregulated. there is somewhere in the middle we have to agree upon. whether some form of bipartisan coalition or maybe conservatives ban together to present a coherent vision yet to see. it is obvious we currently do not have a plan to address this issue. david: there is the basic issue,

we've seen these congressional hearings with tech guys who just wipe the floor with the congresspeople. who in the heck in congress knows enough about this subject to make any regulation, meaningful regulation of what is going on with a.i.? >> yeah. there is really no expertise on the hill when it comes to artificial intelligence. many ways we were caught flat-footed. there is not really a infrastructure to address an issue like this and so there isn't really a luxury either figuring this out as we go. so we have to address the problem with the resources that we have and ultimately we hope we get the best product but we're not in a great position to address this. david: on other hand, jeffrey hinton, who is known as the godfather of a.i., he is talking how soon it would be before a.i. becomes smarter than the human race, does something the human race doesn't want it to do. he said it will take five to 20 years. frankly i thought a.i. had already gotten there, but is this real danger, threat to our

existence? >> absolutely. we don't have to wait five to 20 years to fundamentally change the way you and i live. change is happening as a result of technology. whether that is job loss, inability to talk to a human. in your day-to-day interactions of the business. the change is already here. just a matter how far it will get within the next five to 20 years. david: jake, you have 10 seconds. you have faith in the new ceo of twitter? >> elle we'll have to wait and see it. will be difficult task for anyone taking over the seat from elon. david: you can make lose money betting against elon. thanks for watching "the evening edit" on fox business. now time for "the bottom line" with dagen and sean. good to see you, gang. dagen: see you shortly, david asman. sean: thanks, david. ♪