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nancy pelosi and schumer. the, they yanked the nation to such extremes today's democrats and media would even paint bill clinton, al gore, even john f contend did as radical demanding same exact things house gop lawmakers want, smaller government and stopping out of control spending. border patrol officials call out the ugly truth behind president biden white-washed sanitized trip to the out of control border crisis with us, michael cloud, brian babin, former ceo director douglas holtz-eakin, one of authors of elon musk's twitter files, michael shellenberger, phil flynn, carol roth, dr. marc siegel, the "new york post" jon levine. the new congress gears up investigation into the biden white house, collusion with big tech, fbi, intelligence and dr. fauci, censorship and more. those are the allegations. we have new details on biden

phamly overseas deals profiting off the joe biden's government jobbing of. the report the president will cost taxpayers more money than expected to replenish the strategic oil supply he drained to a record low. thousands of nurses rattle health officials coast to coast. they go on strike in new york city as hospitals get hit by the double-whammy by the tripledemic and u.s. crime. i'm lid bet elizabeth macdonald, the "the evening edit" starts right now. welcome to the show, take a lech of your money, they ended mixed. there are fears about fed rate hikes and inflation. china though is reopening after its recent covid wave but we've got this layoffs in finance nearly doubled. they are up about 1/5 in real estate and big tech too. still this, new york fed survey, consumers expect inflation to drop to 5% by year-end.

to the house gop vote in less than an hour on new set of rules for the chamber, things like reining in trillion dollar government spending and more, after kevin mccarthy won his dramatic battle for house speaker. hillary vaughn on capitol hill with more. hillary. >> reporter: good evening, liz, speaker kevin mccarthy had to make a lot of promise he needed to become speaker. some closed-door deals, like agreeing to cut government spending potentially putting defense spending on the chopping block is dividing the gop. part of mccarthy's pledge is balance any increase in the debt ceiling cuts to federal spending, promise to cap government spending for 2024 fiscal year back down to what it was in 2022, cutting $130 billion from federal agencies and 10% reduction in current spending. >> if we want to talk about the debt and spending it is the entitlements program that is0%

of our entire budget that 1.7 trillion, defense within that is only 30%. >> reporter: white house is jumping on the idea that entitlement programs will be touched. white house chief of staff ron klain reacting to mat wall much, they are going to cut social security and medicare it could not be clearer. the idea of cutting defense spending is something progressive democrats are saying are excited about. >> cuts to the pentagon budget is pretty exciting for folks like me. we'll see what ends up happening and if republicans are able to actually be able to get anything done. >> reporter: it is not just some republicans that are looking to cut spending. some house democrats are being forced to cut spending. "politico" is reporting that democratic chiefs of staff in the house are going to no longer get free lunch at their weekly meetings because of budget cuts being in the minority. liz. elizabeth: hillary vaughn, good to see you. look who is who back, michael

cloud and former cbo director douglas holtz-eakin. good to see you in the year. far left democrats, cnn, calling house gop conservative demands extreme, but the same things bill clinton and al gore demanded, smaller cuts, they wanted bigger cuts to reduce the size of government, they wanted smaller government. remember this congressman, the era of big government is over? >> yeah i remember that. elizabeth: are bill clinton, al gore, jfk, are they extreme? >> i might argue they were on different issues but i will say this, all along this has been about really restoring the power of the membership to representative sent the people that elect them to represent them. we've seen power matriculate over the years to the top so to speak, members come here, much of the job was performative. this is about us restoring that.

a lot happened before any of us were in congress. still needed to be corrected, still needed to be fixed. we'll have much better functioning, deliberative body and less performative and effective membership going forward. elizabeth: douglas that is the point. recession is many looking. corporate america is slashing jobs. the economy is in need of pro-growth policies and less taxes. reaction to bill clinton in 1996. watch this. >> the era of big government is over. our ad min strings is working hard to give the american people a government that works better and costs less. republicans and democrats alike can show the american people that we can limit spending. elizabeth: but now that is extreme, douglas? >> well, i don't think that's extreme. that is respect for arithmetic. the things we've seen over the past several years simply don't add up. they endanger the u.s. taxpayer.

they endanger possibilities of growth in the future. course correction is desperately needed. that is respect for taxpayer arithmetic t doesn't add up. it is nice to hear the president talk about a strategy for growth. it would be nice for this president to have strategy for growth that wasn't just spend more money. everyone is concerned about the possibility of the fed going too far, having recession. the question, what comes after that? what is the strategy for pro-growth prosperity increasing prosperity policies in the united states? we don't hear anything. elizabeth: democrats have been in the identity crisis. democrats up until the middle of the last decade campaigned on small government, low taxes and growth. now they're putting redistribution and big government first at the expense of growth, congressman. they end up getting neither. they're raising taxes when the government routinely fails to deliver a budge sweat. they don't read their own bills and hold hearings, they demand we report 600-dollar paperwork for phone transactions to the

irs? it is extreme to demand2 hours to read legislation? seriously? >> some of the accusations over the last week have been pretty laughable once you know we've been tying to work for but here's the thing, our country is headed to fiscal cliff, under democratic leadership we raced toward the cliff. to often under the republican leadership we jogged toward the cliff. we have to turn the corner. interest payments if we keep going the course we are, that will be number one budget item that does no good for anybody doing anything in government. we have to rein this in. we have to put us a path toward fiscal responsibility a lot of what we discussed over the last week is beginning of creating a framework for that. i'm really happy to see our conference coming together to support it. elizabeth: would msnbc call al gore, bill clinton, jf k-part of the tea party, doug? >> i don't know. i'm not an expert on msnbc but i

certainly wouldn't. what we need to see is the ability to get to yes. we saw that happen within the republican conference this past week. we're going to see more of that in the week to come but ultimately it is about getting to yes across the entire house, the senate, having president of the united states sign appropriations bills that make sense, not bilge omnibus bills that don't add up. appropriations bills that fit the nation's needs, fully funded. that is regular order. that is what is needed. >> we've been in an era of normalizing the abnormal. this is really abnormal under nancy pelosi and speaker, excuse me senator schumer. watch republicans react to all of this. watch this. >> will repeal the funding for 87,000 new irs agents. [cheering] we believe the government should help you, not go after you. >> this is about power for the american people and with all due respect nancy pelosi ran congress like a prison camp with

no accountability. the american people are very, very tired of this gang of seven, "gang of eight," literally seven or eight people, just a few people in washington, d.c., running all of the policy for the american people. >> people like hakim jeffries in his speech was supposed to be introducing kevin mccarthy, lasted about an hour, he celebrated the unanimity of the democrats. president xi likes unanimity in china as well. that is not the nature of american democracy in my view. >> democrats unite and spending money. whenever you have a unlimited amount of money, you can promise any democrat any amount of money, any earmark, any new social program, they will always get on board in the end. you look at the republicans, we want to actually balance the budget. >> you know, here's the thing, you know what is really striking, douglas, congressman james comer will hold the very first hearing as house oversight chair on covid spending.

there has not been a single hearing to oversee the funds during the entire pandemic. so democrats were not concerned about wasteful, waste, fraud and abuse and abuse of taxpayers here. >> i think that is a fantastic idea. we really, we had 2 1/2 trillion dollars in a single bill in the cares act. there is an accounting for that money that needs to be presented to the american people. where did it go? we have no idea. where are the uses of the paycheck protection program legitimate in the end? were checks going to people who deserve them? were people qualified for the very generous unemployment insurance benefits? no one knows answer to those questions. all we know the money left washington. time to find out where it landed. elizabeth: watch lesley stahl again misdiagnose the problem again on "60 minutes." watch this. >> historic chaos in the house of representatives this past week embarrassed not only a party but an entire nation, a small minority blocked the house

from electing the leader or even swearing-in its own members. vote after vote of would-be speaker could not bring himself to stand aside in favor after colleague. >> he accepted money in his family from russia, from ukraine, from china, from other places. i think it is one of the biggest scandals i have ever seen and you don't cover it. you want to talk about -- >> because it can't be vary five. >> by the way cbs eventually, cbs home to "60 minutes" eventually authenticated hunter biden's laptop. congressman, your final word on lesley stahl's analysis here. >> what you see from the left is call it unity but conformity. might be made tore tv government. what we saw for last week it is made for the people government, that is exactly what we should be having here in washington. we're going to be a stronger nation for it. we'll be a stronger body for it.

the fact that the american people saw it all play out, that is extra level of accountability which is really what this nation is supposed to be about. elizabeth: congressman cloud, douglas holtz-eakin, thanks for joining to us night. good to see you both. >> thank you. elizabeth: new details are coming out with the biden family overseas business dealings profiting off the joe biden's government job. gop house oversight says it will probe the president, not just hunter biden. plus critics call out the ugly truth behind president biden's white-washed sanitized trip to the out of control border crisis. congressman brian babin next on "the evening edit." ♪

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♪. elizabeth: welcome back, president biden is in new mexico for the north american leaders summit. governor greg abbott greet the president on the tarmac in the first trip to el paso with the governor's letter slamming the president for making border crisis work as the president is expected to announce a run for 2024. edward lawrence has the latest from mexico city. >> reporter: president biden was in mexico city all day yet his first public appearance was 40 minutes ago. an opening ceremony with the president of mexico. he is now going to a bilateral

meeting between the two presidents in the bilateral meeting one-on-one with president obrador president biden wants to get mexico environmental standards strengthened. he wants to focus on supply chains related to that. also broaden law enforcement cooperation to stop the flow of fentanyl flowing across the border. national security advisor jake sullivan says the president wants to keep the status quo with new policies on the border to see if they stop illegal migration. texas governor greg abbott says the stat discuss quote let to cartel wealth and record number of people crossing the border. he wanted to make the sure the president got the letter in hand and delivered it straight to himself to the president. spokesperson john kirby says the president understands the governor's concerns. >> these two leaders don't agree on everything when it comes to get to the challenges at the

border of the president put forth a series of policies and initiatives last week to better improve border security as well as to find additional legal pathways. he will stay focused on those policies and those initiatives going forward. >> reporter: now tomorrow the president will have a bilateral meeting with the president, prime minister of canada and then there will be a trilateral meeting between the three of the leaders. there will be deliverables we're told coming out of those meetings. we don't have any specifics what that is. elizabeth: edward lawrence thank you. welcome back to the show, congressman brian babbitt. co-chair of the house security caucus. we had protesters greet president biden in tightly controlled visit to el paso questioned, the first as president to the border. i want your reaction to texas governor abbott debunking homeland security secretary mayorkas and the president here. watch this. >> governor abbott is not collaborating with the federal government on an issue that

requires collaboration. >> the only reason why we have these people coming across the border like we do is because both homeland security secretary and the president are not enforcing current laws. they claim that republicans need to work with them. i have outlined exactly what they need to do as a starting point to begin to secure the border. so any suggestion by either secretary mayorkas or the president that republicans are not working with them is just flat-out false. >> [inaudible]. president biden: a lot of resources will get -- >> gave the president a letter from me to him outlining the chaos that his refusal to enforce the border laws is causing the state of texas. i told him how thousands of texans have lost their lives. tens of thousands of texans have their lives destroyed by his open border policy. >> listen this visit is about

two years too late and about $20 billion short of what needs to be done. all he is going to do down there is rearrange the chairs on the deck of the titanic. elizabeth: what is your reaction, sir? >> my reaction is exactly the same as our governor. he outlined in his letter exactly what needed to be done. the actions to take to secure the border and quite frankly the, the biden administration, joe biden and his team have done nothing but demonize republicans for not voting for the omni package, the $1.7 trillion package, when in reality, that funding would not have done one thing, it wouldn't have built any wall, it wouldn't have secured our border it wouldn't have given us anymore infrastructure improvements to secure our border. it was in fact, it forbade, it prohibited the spending any of this money on anything that would do that. it just simply facilitated more processing, getting more people

over the border. they have got -- yes, ma'am? >> the governor abbott says the president's trip to el paso was theater. it was cleaned up and sanitized illegal camps illegal cleaning up the street, so clean up for the president but not for local taxpayers? we have five million illegal crossers on the president's watch. governor abbott says the president avoided areas where mass illegal immigration takes place. he didn't talk to thousands of angry texas property owners whose lives have been destroyed by his policies. >> exactly, liz. i was down in el paso with speaker mccarthy just a month ago. there was an enormous tent city right across the river. that all has been cleaned up. it has been sterilized for biden's visit. quite frankly what he needs to do, instead of seeing trump's wall that was built, he should see the gaps his policies where they have prohibited the building of the wall.

biden is, he has been in office for 50 years and this is his first trip down to the border. this whole thing was a dog-and-pony show and to blame republicans for this it just, it is nothing but dishonesty. mayorkas and biden and their whole team simply, they ought to go down there to apologize to the border patrol and they definitely need to be meeting with texas property owners and people who have been, had their lives completely ruined with the millions of people that have come across our border. 200,000 dead americans from overdoses over the last two years because they have empowered the cartels to bring in these drugs. it is just absolutely horrendous that they can come down there and think that in just a few minutes going to the ports of entry where there is not a whole lot happening illegally, that is, criminal activity, and think that they have done something. it is a joke. it truly is a joke. elizabeth: former gop

congressman mayra flores of texas is saying we need 87,000 new border security officials, not 87,000 new irs agents to go after americans. >> that's exactly right. one of our very first bills is going to be reverse that 87,000 irs agents that will be hounding the middle class folks of america. this administration is going to have a reckoning with oversight that we're going to implement here real, real quickly. elizabeth: okay. congressman babin, thanks for joining us. >> you're welcome, liz. god bless -- elizabeth: happy new year to you. we're staying on breaking news coming the white house is admitting that the president did have basically classified documents during the time from his vice presidency at his personal institute in d.c. we'll give you more of the story. also this, the president reports coming in, he will cost taxpayers even more money than expected to replenish the u.s. strategic oil stockpile that he

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elizabeth: we have "new york post" column i'll jon levine. a documents were found at biden think tank, the penn biden center where the president kept a personal office. the documents were found in november. the doj is reviewing classified documents. ag garland reportedly put u.s. attorney john luosh to go over them. what do you think of the story? >> thanks for having me, it shows these classified documents can find a way getting outside where they're supposed to be regardless what party is in charge. i think it may be indicative we need to show some degree of charity with respect when they are mishandled t might not be the most egregious crime in the world. whether that is president biden or former president trump although i will say a big difference between the two is that when these documents were discovered at the biden archives, they were swiftly returned. they were working with the archivists, national archives whereas in trump's case they're

fighting it assiduously. elizabeth: got it. let's move to this. president biden is in mexico right as the house gop launches probes into the biden family business deals overseas to profit off of his job in government. the paper you work at, the "new york post," is reporting that the biden family deals in mexico, president biden as vice president used air force two in his official residence in d.c. to host the mexican business partners of his son hunter and his brother jim biden? can you tell us more about this? >> we know when president biden was vice president his son hunter made one trip every year down to mexico and spent a lot of time with carlos slim, the richest man of mexico and largest stakeholder at one time for "the new york times." they were trying to secure funding for another biden business partner jeff cooper, who is lawyer a long-time biden family friend, a donor and we don't know exactly what mr. slim wanted with president biden but we do know that he visited

vice president biden in the vice president's residence in 2014 and we also know that hunter biden was down there, hunter biden doesn't have any products. he doesn't make anything. so all he did was sell access and that's why when james comer says this is an investigation of joe biden, not hunter biden, it is to see the extent to which the president is compromised by these businesses. >> jon, your paper is reporting that hunter biden was trying to hook up mexican billionaires to do energy deals with ukraine's burisma where hunter biden sat on the board and was paid millions of dollars over a number of years to sit on the board of this ukrainian energy company. so he is working on energy deals between mexico and ukraine reportedly according to your paper. >> right, right. i would say that mexico is possibly the, is not even among the most significant of areas which the house probe is looking into. i would say ukraine, i would say china, and i would say romania is the key areas where hunter

business ties are being probed for now. elizabeth: representative james comer, he is chair of house oversight, he is saying house oversight, they have got, the gop has proof that president biden misled and covered up to the american people about his involvement in his family's business deals and also your case is quoting anonymous source close to kevin mccarthy, there are a number of bank and financial institutions that biden family a partnered with were cheated or defrauded by the bidens. those are heavy charges and they have relevant documents. those are big things to say. your word on that. >> it was all fast nating stuff. it was a little disappointed house business not get started last week because of the speakers fight. it delayed the investigation. now that we're past all of that i hope we'll finally get answers on these and many other questions. elizabeth: jon levine, thanks for joining us tonight. we're excited to announce "the evening edit" will be moving to the 5:00 p.m. eastern time slot starting

january 23rd. we still want to keep bringing you the breaking news. we'll be really hammering home breaking news. we'll keep digging into government documents just like we always have. we're just going to do it at a new hour. we can't wait. we're really looking forward to this new time, right after larry kudlow. this story coming up, thousands of nurses rattle health officials nationwide. they're going on strike in new york city. hospitals in big cities are now getting hit by a double-whammy of the tripledemic and a u.s. crime wave. also reports that the president will end up overcharging taxpayers even more than expected to replenish the u.s. strategic oil stockpile he drained to a record low. energy pro phil flynn, wall street pro carol roth, next on "the evening edit." ♪

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♪. elizabeth: look who is here, oil expert, senior analyst at price futures group. he is phil flynn, and wall street pro and author carol

roth. pleasure having you both on. phil, the biden white house will restock, replenish the strategic reserves at higher cost than expected after the president drained it to record lows. he drained it to get gas down and his polls up. what do you think, phil? >> i think you know, it is a lot easier to sell oil than to buy it back and buy it back cheap. president biden's team a few weeks ago was bragging how much money we made at the reserve, we'll sell it high, buy it backhoe. so far they have not been able to buy it back. that trade doesn't look as good as they thought it was going to. elizabeth: carol, to what phil said, they will have to delay replenishing it, take a look and see. the average cost of the barrel in the stockpile was below 30. jump wanted to replenish it in 2020 at 24 a barrel. biden is looking $75 an up to replenish it. >> i think this whole thing is political theater but even with

the 180 million that they have drained, they will refinish it, this pilot program was only three million barrels. they drained 180 million barrels in less than a year at three mill bails a month it will take a long time to replenish, liz, if they can find the right price. elizabeth: by the way china is reopening. phil, carol, you both pointed this out. that could cause oil and gas to rocket higher on more demand. china, like the population is nearly 20% of the world's entire population. they have been locked up for three years. now they are liberated phil. >> we could flip from oversupply to undersupply quickly. my question, when china reopens, demand goes up 3 million barrels of oil a day where the heck will the oil come from? right now the world is producing as much oil as they can. there is not a lot of spare production capacity. that means sharply higher prices if it goes the way it looks like it will go. elizabeth: this is also

happening at the same time, carol, you talked about socially responsible investing, so-called woke capitalism movement that is being foisted on 401(k)s rapped retire and retiree accounts. mario bartiromo is a sat down with jamie dimon. she will have the full interview tomorrow morning. jamie dimon is not -- >> you're not going to shut down lending to these companies that may not be in the narrative of the democrat party? >> i will not playing to anyone's narrative of any party. we will decide for ourselves what the risk i was, whether we want to do it or make sense it may not always agree with it or republicans agree with it or democrats agree with it. elizabeth: carol, remember when jamie dimon testified, i mean the "squad" was in an uproar when jamie was saying things like this. what do you think, carol?

>> first of all i can't wait to see the interview but i remember back in 2019 when jamie dimon was the head of the business roundtable, he helped lead the charge to change the tenor from shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism, in earlies of esg he has that all over the jpmorgan website. the idea that he is not going to be politicized maybe not based on what a democrat or what a republican wants but he is certainly part of what the elites wants in setting his own moral code. elizabeth: does socially responsible investing work in terms of returns and getting people what they want, phil. >> no, it doesn't. thank god for a guy like jamie dimon. listen, government shouldn't be telling private people where to put their money but that is what this administration is doing. , the fastest way to economic mediocrity or economic chaos when the government starts telling private citizens where to put their money.

elizabeth: yep. >> that is where big problems are going to start. elizabeth: carol, final word? >> yeah, unfortunately the government, you know is involved in this in terms of their newerries is a rules. they're basically letting companies like jpmorgan prioritize esg and those kind of invests. they have not really gotten out of the way and unfortunately this will eat into returns and wealth. elizabeth: wow, phil flynn, carol roth we'll have you back on to talk about this and way more stories. we'll have a jam-packed year. we'll need you guys. leaning on you, get ready. this story coming up congress is gearing up censorship investigations into the biden white house, big tech, fbi, u.s. intelligence and dr. fauci. this thousands of nurses rattle health officials nationwide. houses are getting hit by a trip tip pell dem mick about the

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♪. elizabeth: this is rattling health officials nationwide. we have thousands of nurses in new york city, they went on strike. nurses say they deserve better pay. it is happening right in the middle of a tripledemic and a crime wave. lydia hu live in new york city with more. >> reporter: good evening, liz. talks broke down early this morning between the nurses union and mount sign ney hospital and montefiore mem tell menner in the bronx. they said this strike is reckless and saying quote the first priority is the safety of our patients. we're prepared to minimize disruption but the strike is impacting patient care when hospitals managing surging cases of covid, rsv and the flu. mount sinai said it moved most vulnerable like nicu babies and postpone heart surgeries.

in montefiore center in the bronx, the hospital there rescheduling all elective surgeries postponing outpatient appointments as well. a sticking appointment, liz, is staffing. the union wants more nurses hired. as far as pay, mount sinai and montefiore offered nurses 19% pay raise over three years. but still the nurses union walked away from talks early this morning. negotiations resumed at montefiore in the bronx but they appear to be at a standstill with mount sinai in harlem. the nurses union is prepared to strike every day until an agreement is reached. liz, back to you. elizabeth: great reporting as always, lydia hu. joining us dr. marc siegel. doctor, good to see you again. your reaction to that report? nurses are heroes. they were the first-responders in the pandemic. deal with crime and shootings after democrats defunded the police. what do you make of this? >> i have mixed feelings about

this, liz. this is a great topic to talk about because everything they're saying is true. one nurse for 20 patients. they never accounted the fact that the pandemic put nurses lives on the line. many got sick, many doctors got sick, physician sans assistants, nurse practitioners got sick. there was no acknowledgement about that. it is getting harder and harder, many more red tape, more bureaucracy. flooding the er with poor insurance thanks to obama care. but, here is where i draw the line. we doctors don't have a union. the ama fights for malpractice reform and never gets anywhere and endorsed the obamacare. when you're in this profession i'm in this to take care of people. you can negotiate, they negotiated a 19% pay increase, if they walk out because there is shortage, montefiore has a 760 nurse shortage which is

huge. if they walk out because of a shortage, guess what they do, they create a worse shortage, much worse shortage. that is what we're seeing. elizabeth: new york city mayor eric adams moving to involuntary hospitalize homeless. we're in the middle of a u.s. crime wave. hospitals, nurses deal with crime and shootings. watch dr. fill, he really went after a guess who was saying yes, defund the police which really hits minority communities hard. watch this. >> if you are a society that has such mass inequality, and you are a society that is based on racial and againerred hierarchies and you are a society that deprives people of resources they need to live. >> my point is, we also live in the here and now and if someone invades my home and has my wife held hostage in the bedroom tonight. >> sure. >> i don't give two [bleep]s where they came from tonight.

but when you say we don't need police because of developmental failures, that doesn't solve the problems that are occurring tonight, tomorrow night, the next night. those things have to be dealt with. >> what do you say, doctor? >> well, there is no way that anybody should be talking about defunding the police. the police are heroes. heespecially here in new york city, with nurses and harder for the police. i'm not for that. any way, shape or form, hooray for the police. i'm not for this whole idea you brought up involuntarily committing mental health patients first of all the system doesn't work, liz. you pet them in the hospital. what do you think you're accomplishing? they go right back out on the street again, they don't have follow up care. also mental health is not about violence. that is a myth. the idea that mentally ill people are the ones performing all the crimes. that's a myth.

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elizabeth: we're excited to welcome toy shot michael shellenberger, he is independent journalist who worked on the fourth installment of the tri twitter files good to see you. >> good to be with you. elizabeth: what to youic make of the push by house respect to set up a special select committee for censorship on twitter. >> i think it's purpo important for all americans can be concerned about some of the abuses we've

uncovered on the research 2 the twitter political files, america to want an fbi not subject to political pressures, we saw the fbi engaging in really excess involvement, in chases down so-called foreign influence and finding very li little of within twitter, and having twitter tell fbi they were not finding significant foreign influence. we saw was a waste of fbi time, chasing town a phenomenon that was not significant. but more max. we could look at some effort involving former fbi agents, fbi agents in attempt to influence the 2020 election, that say serious charge -- that is a serious charge, i don't have proof but i think there is enough smoke that

potential fire is there. elizabeth: people saying that is dangerous. jim jordan saying that fbi used twitter as a permanent on going surveillance operation for censorship, they will demand white house e-mails, memos and phone calls. michael, you know in your installment of twitter files, fbi was so eager to get twitter to sensor it gave twitter workers top secret security clearances. >> to share the top-secret documents with them, we don't have all of those documents we were able to get a lot, it was a question of just human resources at a company like twitter this is under going a lot of change right now. there is much more that needs to be investigated, there should be an exa examination of correspondents within fbi and white house.

we saw inappropriate levels, i believe of fbi pressure on twitter, we saw fbi and former fbi agent involvement in an effort to basically debunk before the hunter biden laptop became public knowledge, the possibility of something coming out about hunter biden, we have a former head of twitter safety saying he was specifically warned there would be a hack and leak operation involving hunter biden let's -- laptop this is very suspicious behavior, being that fbi had hunter biden's lop laptop. and fbi was also spying on rudy guliani who made that laptop avaluable publicly, that is fishy behavior, it

merits a congressional investigation, one that all americans whether you are a republican, democrat or independent should support. elizabeth: what worries you the most about this? >> just what i said, the politicizing of the fbi, you heard jim jordan say the weaponnization of fbi, we don't want our most important law ep enforcement organization to be inter fearing in elections and taking sides with political candidates, that is not something that anybody would should want, we need to get to the bottom of this, that is why i welcome those investigationses. elizabeth: michael we'll have you back on, great interview. >> i am elizabeth macdonald you have been watching "the evening edit," have a good evening, join us again tomorrow night. >> hello monday. he did it! he did it! president biden at long last visiting the southern