stuart: i don't know which new testament book that is. there is a chance we get a tax cut. liz: ye of a lot of faith. stuart: it was completely gone the market wouldn't be at 21,856s, would it? liz: okay. stuart: my time is up. neil, it is yours. neil: stick a fork in it, buddy, it is not happening. it is not going on. by the way i always watch your show. i love watching you and the whole gang but you said the president wasn't whining last night. stuart: no he wasn't. >> i pay tearily when i make these kind of remarks. he was whining, stuart. i know you're detail oriented. i went to merriam webster to complain or express irridtation endlessly. hello! that was the speech. stuart: when have you ever heard the president, this president, mr. trump, when have you ever

heard him, what is the expression again, being peevish? he is not peevish. republicans won't give him what he wants. are you trying to shout over me? you're whining. neil: yes, yes! i'm telling you. he is doing too much of this. he is doing too much of this now. remember i was the guy who said would be elected president. everyone laughed at me. he was elected. he doesn't like me. that is fine. i call a spade, a spade, just like you, do stuart. he has to stop whining, get leading, getting tax-cutting things going. stuart: so at 12:01 on august 24th, i think it is, neil cavuto said categorically the president is whiner and will not get a tax cut. you said it? neil: yes. stuart: live with it. neil: the bottom line is this, look at all of the things that have trickled through and started to happen, that for someone like you maybe warrant

some worry which is why i'm leading my show with indications that warrant some worry. stuart: so i'm done. >> sounds like he is whining, stu. neil: i'm whining a little bit. i can see all the tvs going click. let me give you an update where we stand here. stuart, thank you very, very much, i didn't mean to overindulge there but i'm getting sort of a feeling but maybe i'm whining about this whole issue but i'm not so confident we'll get these tax cuts and a cowell of developments have sort of molded together in the recent days that have me worrying. first "the new york times," president trump, senator mitch mcconnell, republican leader, they have not spoken in weeks. the last phone call was a decent system i had italian relatives with more polite phone calls. president trump taking a shot at arizona senator jeff flake, calling him weak on crime and border. the tax rate, lowered to 15%, they might be at figure closer

25%. still good, not great. i could go on and on here. i expect to to on and here because it is my show. they're looking still doing something with mortgage deduction paring it down a little bit. there are signs as well that the president now is talking about being open to shutting down the government in order to build his border wall. can you say, oh, i don't know, distraction? all of these things pitched together with the battle with mitch mcconnell and not expressing gratitude to mitch mcconnell, say whatever you will of him, people say he is globalist and i'm a globalist. i don't even know what a globalist is. i thought they were talking about my weight size. i let it go. but you know you get to washington to work with washington. is yeah, you are going to upset the cart, turn everything upside down. that is by the way to the president's credit, you have is it still work to get the same stuff done. not working with the people that

you need to get stuff done, if you point a finger back at them, don't be surprised if they point a certain digit back at you. it will be a theme throughout the show, folks. i'm worried. i think signature event of the administration, lowering taxes is in danger. i'm not saying it is all on the president, not saying all on mitch mcconnell, not saying it congress, not saying any one of those, it is all of those. we don't appreciate the magnitude of that. i'm worried about that. andy puzder, former ck restaurant ceo, you know the beast that is washington. you were subjected to its most awesome wrath. i think within that system, for the president to do and say what he has been saying, and sort of stirring the beast will only yield beastly results. that is my cynical read. what say you? >> i think you're right that it's a beastly atmosphere. i think you're seeing the president's frustration with the way he is being covered and the way the truth is being handled but look, i know mitch mcconnell, i know

president trump. these are very decent, good guys. they both want tax reform. they both know it is in the interests of the american people. i don't see either one of them letting a personal dispute getting in the way of getting tax reform done. neil: but they haven't talked -- there isn't a lot of legislative days to get stuff done. so, when you're not talking to each other the last few weeks, i assume, at least at their level, nothing is getting done. >> got to remember, steve mnuchin and mitch mcconnell met on monday in louisville. neil: absolutely, you're right. >> they met about tax reform, tax reform and raising the debt ceiling. there are negotiations going on, maybe not every day between trump and mcconnell. neil: even during that one, i caught from mitch mcconnell that not all the news he reads is fake. he is chasing. president, frustrated with washington goes, he is shaving a lot. this habit of going after those within your own party, he is quite right to point out many in

the media don't like him and doesn't get fair treatment, i would readily agree with that. a lot he brings on himself. i understand how this goes. but i'm telling you within your own team, you're doing you know what in your own tent, not advisable. what do you think? >> obviously would be better if anybody in the senate and president had spectacular relationship, we were all moving forward lockstep. that doesn't happen. neil: i'm not saying has to be spectacularly a public relationship. privately you can hate each other, i don't care. you don't air dirty laundry like my family. they air the dirty laundry. >> yours and mine both. neil: when it is so public and visible, people say what the heck? >> like with your family in the end y'all come together. neil: no, we actually don't. i haven't talked to relatives in year. i'm kidding. >> i think they come together on tax reform. i think the president is very

angry they didn't come back to repealing and replacing obamacare after promising seven years, so some recriminations might be in order. one senator who i think for retaliatory reasons for things said about him during the campaign strikes back and doesn't vote for repeal and reform. if you're the president that will make you upset. neil: talking about john mccain? >> i don't blame mitch mcconnell for that. neil: mitch mcconnell voted for this. john mccain didn't. i understand that frustration. you know this environment. you have worked through it he and the hell it throws at you unjustifiably. in washington he comes there, in environment where you have very few friends. you're an entirely different character. people presumably on your side you will blame them for every screw-up. there will be screw ups. that will happen. he is quite right to express frustration. i wouldn't do it publicly and wouldn't be cursing out my friend, that is all i'm saying. >> what you said is fine.

in a perfect world, that is not where we are. i still think we'll get tax reform done. the extent of the bill, will you lower the standard deduction, lower rates. neil: not happening andy. not happening, i tell you why. i love you to death. i think you're one of the most remarkable businessmen. i mean that. >> thank you. neil: but i also know you have a great sense of decorum trying to be decent with individuals. i think you're very big on not sending mixed signals. here is where i fault the administration sending mixed signals. you have a treasury secretary who in the gathering with mitch mcconnell said we'll have a clean debt ceiling increase. president said i could shut the wall down downtown -- shut the government down to get this wall built. that is mixed message. >> every president throws red meat to the base. neil: you don't have time for the base of the base isn't going to get you tax reform. the base isn't going to get you

health care revamp finally done if and when that happens. you have to go beyond that base, right? >> iguarranty you we'll raise the debt ceiling. i'm very confident we're going to get some tax reform done. i don't know whether it will be what we all want or what you and i want but we'll get something done. neil: here is where i predict, if i'm wrong, i will have all the tapes burnt. >> we'll have another interview. neil: they will get debt ceiling raised and hem and haw, there might be a temporary government shutdown but we'll get it done. we'll get a budget, but it will be half-assed, both parties blamed there. look at this, that it is christmastime. it is done. not happening this year. >> i do think, i think we'll get stuff done on tax reform. i would be amazed if the republican party didn't get -- we have an election in 2018. they have to get something done. neil: tell me about it. you have to. we're in the majority. we have the run of the table.

we can control the house and senate and white house, man, oh, man, we can do no wrong. they're doing a lot wrong. focus on what they can do as a party together, the infighting has to stop or i will slap some heads around. >> i'll be right there with you. i don't like infighting but i think we'll get tax reform. neil: i am betting you will. you're not in the burger business per se, i bet you, do they have a triple burger? what is the heart safety burger? >> we at one time had a triple burger. it was the monster burger. three thick beef patties t was dell lesh schuss. neil: i would take one, take out the beef. i have to watch the ol' ticker. >> only thing you could have done to make it better was put peanut butter on it t was huge burger. neil: let's talk off air. that is promising. thank you for joining me and my wrath. the former ck ceo.

the guy was railroaded. that is another thing. senior staffer mike warren and and. amy, i think you heard my doubts, my concerns. i think this infighting and these mixed signals i'm getting on what will be included, how low the corporate rate goes, i know this is all negotiations but times are running out. i'm just worried that it is not going to happen this year. what do you think? >> i think those are valid concerns, most people, probably would agree with you in that area. however, you did mention earlier about the president throwing out red meat to the base, hopefully that base will put pressure on those senators who failed us with the repeal of obamacare. that way they step up when it is time for tax reform. this is important and vital. we have to get tax reform or the republicans are in trouble. neil: i totally agree with that. mike warren, i heard speaker

paul ryan saying tax reform will be easier than health care reform. on paper that makes sense. but i'm already seeing these wide divergences among super conservative republicans who want a big, big tax cut whether it is paid for right away, and moderates like mitch mcconnell, who has acrimonious relationship with the president who don't want it so big. there isn't a lot of wiggle room in those votes, that's why i'm leery. what do you say? >> first off i agree with you this sun likely to get done. the reason that is a couple weeks ago, white house saying mid-november, that is when we expect a tax reform bill on the president's desk. i talked with someone at the white house yesterday said, maybe a couple weeks after mid-november is more likely. that is sort of the canary in the coal mine on this. but i think the big fundamental problem besides all the personal infighting you talked about in the last segment is you have a republican party that has a bunch of divergent views on tax

reform, what kind, to what extent. this is a big problem. where a president of the same problem would be helpful to sort of iron out those details and sort of lead the charge on this. instead what you have is a president, i think you rightly point this out, neil, crusading against the leadership and establishment in his open party, the people he needs to help usher this through. neil: when he is going after chuck schumer, they're a fine one to talk about excessive spending or running up the debt but then when you go after people on your team, i mean, i wouldn't do that with fellow fox anchors. varney i would, i would do it with varney. i got ahead of myself there, amy, i'm thinking, i'm just worried about the ill will there. when i think of ronald reagan, what he did to get tax cuts through. forget about keeping republicans in line. crossing over getting better than 40 southern democrats in the house, so-called bow weevils to go through, wining and dining, getting drunk in the

west wing with tip o'neill getting it through, that is wheeling and dealing, getting it done, before people could tweet. >> right t was a different time, that is for sure. but i will tell you it is difficult to watch as a republican when the president was the then nominee, and i was in washington, d.c., and sitting across the table from a number of the house leaders, sitting across the table from some of the lobbyists who actually were not in favor of him actually becoming our president. have they ever really jumped on board? i think our president unfortunately not only has twitter, social media, the mainstream media going up against him but he still has some of our own party members who just aren't thrilled he is there. neil: what i want to get handle on, wish we had more time, mike, help me with this, when you say not likely this year, idea they got to do it next year. all rivalries come in. republicans don't want generous

tax cuts to the rich. others say if everybody doesn't get a tax cut we're not in on this at all. is there possibility next year, such efforts could implode. >> it is more likely. if it doesn't get done this year, less likely it will happen at all because it is an election year as you point out. again these members of congress, they weren't elected, many of them were in congress before donald trump was even on the political scene. they don't really owe any allegiance to the president's particular agenda. this is something the president has to sell to them. i think ultimately to the american people. he has got to be doing that. he has to be out there ahead of all of this, which he didn't do during the health care debate. i think that was a mistake. the white house is innallizing -- internalizing that to some level. but the president has an obligation to sell his prann which would required having a deeped thatting of it, which is not clear, which is the case of the health care plan that he

does. i think that's a big problem. neil: you're right. keep it inside of the tent. get along. i'm tempted right now to mention my producer in my ear, neil, we have to get out. but i won't do that, because that would be very bad to do. guys, i want to thank you both, very, very much. a lot of people thinking cavuto became unhinged, or late reaction to the hard medication. i'm looking at this through prism of an accountant here. there are a lot of things have to fall in place exactly and they are not. we are worried and stressing out over things that are stupid, that are now getting in the way of making said progress on things that really matter to democrats and to republicans, poor, middle income, upper income alike we're not doing it. what we are in a fuss over right now? an espn broadcaster named robert lee. i kid you not. this is what rome looks like in its final days. ♪

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neil: remember when i told you about distractions? this counts as one. both of these fellows have the name robert lee. the fellow on the right, robert e. lee.

the fellow on the left a espn broadcaster not having to do with anything of the former confederate general and leader. connell mcshane details what erupted into a incredible soap opera story. what the heck? >> reporter: i like your rome in final days analogy. that is pretty much where we are. espn is taking a lot of heat for this. the reaction the company overreacted. this guy, play-by-play broadcaster, robert lee. he was supposed to work the university of virginia season opener, but because he has the same name as the confederate general they take him off the screen. the general whose statue has been center of controversy surrounding recent violence in charlottesville. that is very close to the university of virginia. read the statement from espn. we'll read it, and it said "we collectively made the decision with robert to switch games as the tragic events in charlottesville were unfolding simply because the coincidence

of his name n that moment it felt right to all parties. we don't know for sure how the broadcaster feels about all of this. we just know what espn said about his feelings. he will work another game for the espn streaming service, espn 3, will work the youngstown versus pitt game. all kinds of reaction to this on social media. garrett, pulled an asian announcer named robert lee from the booth for uva opener? we have reached peak stupid on both sides. then sports journalists like mike have car row from the "new york post," in era of rampant stupidity, espn taking a asian announcer named robert lee off the uva opener, maybe dumbest idea ever. bob lee, worried my employee i.d. pass may not admit in the am. life, as scripped by @on none sports.

a lot of people assumed it was a hoax. better not report this but it is true. neil: i did too. >> reporter: he will work another game as i said, just not the uva game. neil: hate to break it, buddy, there is famous confederate general named connell mcshane. >> reporter: only controversy around my name whether the guests call me connell or colin. i've been praying for something like this, getting attention on myself my entire career. neil: as if you need it. thank you very much, connell. we live in crazy times. conservative review correspondent deneen borelli on all this. connell thought it was a joke when i first heard about it last night. it wasn't. who initiated whom? >> i wonder if the left will demand he chains his name? someone thought long and hard about this, neil, at espn, and it is all a fake issue. neil: fans calling in or those in university of virginia

playing william and mary. this is big southern territory, we don't want to risk it? >> i have not heard, it is possible but i haven't heard that but someone thought long and hard at espn to make this issue and ran this up to management, to head of espn and it was collective decision. neil: it went back to the anchor who was very hospitable, like your boss saying we think it would be a good idea. yeah, i'm hoist pittable. so he --s who -- hospitable. this will come at it again. southern teams going at it again, or southern team with a northern team. i don't know why it has gotten to this point but it has. what does it tell you? >> shows you how our country is off the rails when it comes to all things race. listen the democrats are the ones who are desperately trying to erase the history that they created when it comes to racism. they're responsible for slavery. they're responsible for jim crow laws.

responsible for confederate statues that they want to tear down. they can tear down all the statues they want but it is not going to change the facts. it is not going to change history. it will do nothing for our country especially urban communities. neil: as an african-american i know, i talked to giano caldwell, says they are a blemish on our past and represent honoring white supreme ists built the after the reconstruction period and solidified a racist view. i said, so put an explainer on them if you want to do that. where do you draw the line? especially extend it to washington because he had slaves. jefferson because you know, he fathered a child with a slave, where does it go? >> even president trump said that, where will it end, where does it stop? what is next the u.s. currency? protest about that, to maybe that chain as well? again it is political correctness gone wild.

i really think it is a way to begin up emotion especially among black voters. democrats had low black voter turnout from the 2016 election. neil: just energize the base and to stop the trump agenda. doesn't hurt to do that too. >> sure. neil: wow. these kind of distractions, i'm saying i'm doing what we're doing, right? i point this out, to point out this is the stuff getting fixated now, not too many people talking about tax cuts and agenda items. these are not unimportant stories. racism is not an unimportant story. riots and disruptions, not unimportant stories. this on the heels of that is an unimportant story. more after this.

>> we are building a wall on the southern border which is absolutely necessary. >> build that wall. build that wall. >> build that wall.

now the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it but, believe me, we have to close down our government, we're building that wall. neil: all right. so you heard it there. this flies in the face of administration officials and top republicans, no the debt ceiling will get raised. no chance after government shut down. the president saying if the wall is not included in there, go ahead, we'll attempt a shutdown. there is no intention on republican or democrat sides to force a wall issue on budget matter that would delay increase in the debt ceiling. treasury secretary steve mnuchin has indicated there is support for clean debt ceiling increase. mitch mcconnell who is back and forth with president on other issues is confident the debt ceiling will be raised, it will be done. that will be that. maybe not quite so fast. "politico" on what is going on here. not on the same page, neil. >> not at all, neil, not at all.

what you saw last night mirrors what i'm hearing privately, white house sources and republicans on the hill, trump is not saying he will not accept a spending deal, unless democrats come out to agree to fund the wall. the problem democrats will not do this. there is nothing that the white house can give them, sun, moon, all-stars in the sky they will reject that. this puts republicans on the hill in awful position they will have to choose to follow the president, take this to a shutdown or push back fence -- against the president, and risk his wrath. neil: they might risk his wrath, is he trying to bite the hand legislatively tries to feed him? it's a beast, washington, you know it better than i, going against the people trying to get things done for you, you might point finger at them failing. that is fair. there are webness on the president's part. that was collect tiff failure. is this get to be really a

problem foe forward, especially for getting tabs cuts done, kind of stuff people have been, at least in investment community counting on? >> i think that trump right now is very frustrated right after the repeal fell through. he wants some sort of legislative victory. this is the one he wants right now. the issue here is republicans need eight senate democrats to get anything done on a spending deal. if it comes to a shutdown, since republicans control everything and congress and the white house, when it comes to shut down, social security checks, veterans benefits are halted, the public will probably blame party in power. that is republicans. this could backfire on midterm elections. republican leaders know that what they would prefer trump do, turn this energy to tax reform. they are going to need help getting tax cut through congress. so they would prefer he talk about that right now instead of the wall and a shutdown. >> that is what i will say, rachel. i will hear from the trumpers,

never-trumpers, globalists, i don't know what that means. getting things out of the in box to get stuff done. ronald reagan line i would rather get 80% of the loaf than no loaf at all. sort of our way or the highway view being expressed here that could threaten the republican agenda all together. what do you think? >> i think a lot of republicans on the hill feel the exact same way. they want to do tax reform. nobody wants a government shutdown on the hill, except a couple far-right conservative was support trump if he were to take it to that. think about the border wall, talking about a down payment on the wall that doesn't affect a lot of americans. republicans think a tax cut would affect everybody. that would be more money in their pockets. they want to focus on this. this issue they think could help them with the struggling legislative agenda right now for republicans. this is what they want to focus on.

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>> was sheriff joe convicted for doing his job? i'll make a prediction. i think he will be just fine, okay. but, bush, i won't do it tonight because, because i don't want to cause any controversy. is that okay? all right. [cheering] but sheriff joe can feel good. neil: all right. was that as close to the president of the united states can come to telegraphing, pardon, in this case, for former maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio? he joins us on the phone. sheriff, very good to have you. thank you. >> i miss you, neil. neil: very good to have you, sheriff. did you, were you invited to

this event, disinvited last night, chose not to come, what? >> i was not invited but my gut told me not to show up. this will be the first time i did not show up for his rallies but i didn't think it was feasible because of the possible danger. i didn't want to cause, me to be cause of any demonstrations, riots and that type of thing. i missed not going. i've been to all of his rallyies but safety was more important to me right now, public safety. neil: but to be clear then, sheriff, it doesn't sound like anyone at the white house told you not to come? you made that decision? >> no one, yes, no one told me not to come, but no one told me said i was invited either. so it was, it was my decision not to go but i missed it. it was, a great evening for me.

i really appreciate the president's nice comments in support. one day i will go public and talk about the tremendous abuse of the process and they can do what they did to me, they can do it to anybody. so that is not coming up right now. we'll just see when i will be talking about it. neil: for those not familiar with the case, sheriff, but this all goes back to a judge back in 2013 said in an effort to go after undocumented immigrants you were routinely fingering those of latino descent, that it was essentially racist. they asked you to cease and desist. you were held ultimately in criminal contempt for not doing so, something that could land you in jail up to six months, maybe more. not away of the statutes but what is your reaction to that? >> first of all, it started 60

days after obama and holder took office. that's when this started. here we are, now, i'm being charged with a misdemeanor contempt of court, sentence would be same for barking dogs. they announced this the day before early voting. then they went again and charged me two weeks before you go to the polls. so this is strictly a political hit, and i will be talking about that in the future, because if they did to me, they can do it to anybody. so we'll see what happens when this thing is resolved. neil: sheriff, not too long after this sentence was handed down you did publicly acknowledge you might have violated that judge's order but it was not intentional. what did you mean by that? >> it was not intentional. my guys were doing their job. we had the authority under the program with i.c.e. to do this in seven and 2009. that was, this contempt, that

was the period they filed contempt against me but we had the authority to do that. i don't want to get too much into this legal situation right now, neil, but i will have my day to talk later on. neil: does it bother you that in the interim with all of this been sort of held up as poster boy for racism? american civil liberties union that criticized even the thought of the president pardoning you, that it would be account to official presidential endorsement of racism. what did you make of that? >> i will not get into the aclu, but they're part of this abuse of the progress or process and we'll talk about that later. she can say whatever she wants. of course they're going to against me. i'm like the poster boy. they have been after me since i started fighting the illegal immigration problem eight, 10 years ago, under the state law, which we had authority under federal law when they trained and swore in 150 of my officers.

but we'll see, bigger picture is abuse of the process. neil: let me get your sense then, of what the president was hinting at last night, sheriff. has he talked to you personally on the phone lately? >> no, he has not. that's okay. now they put press thing out that there would be no mention of this at the rally but knowing the president he has guts and courage and my gut told me was going to do it. of course everybody said no, but i know the man. neil: so you think even in light of charlottesville and what happened there and maybe that is why such a pardon, if one would be considered is being delayed, do you think that is a factor here? >> oh, i don't know. but he wasn't ashamed. he really went out there and talked about it. that's him. he is still in charge. he is the president, and i have a great deal of respect for him. i always will have pardon or no pardon. i'm with him to the end.

as long as he is the president i will support him. i wished a lot of other people would do the same, including some republicans. neil: now, expressed frustration with republicans do they include john mccain? >> i'm not going to get into that situation but there is a few out there that talk, you know, talk public. there are some that don't talk about. they do it behind his back but why can't everybody get together? democrats and the republicans support our president? he is a great guy. he will go down as one of the greatest presidents we ever had. neil: last night, sheriff, as you know talked about building a wall, would even risk a government shut down to force fund to make that happen. what do you think of that? >> that is great. let me tell you why illegal immigration has gone down. because he talked about it. they're afraid now. that is how you do it, you talk about, they don't come across because they're know they will go to jail. talking about it is dig deterrents.

that is what he likes to do. it is really successful although he doesn't get any credit for speaking out. that is very important, whether foreign policy, domestic policy. hey, go public. tell everybody, when you can, i'm not talking about sensitive situations. let the people know what you're going to do, let the bad guys know. he loves the cops. i know that personally. he will back up the cops. and the veterans. he and the military today. so, that is at type of guy he is. why should he keep it quiet? every time he says something, whatever they do, they tear him apart. that's bad. neil: do you get a sense, sheriff, however this is resolved, maximum jail time, six months, if they ever enforce that, you're 85 years old. do you think a judge would enforce that? >> i have no idea. i had two good lawyers now. and we're in the process, but you know, hey, neil, i got, two parking tickets in my whole life.

think of that. two parking tickets, 55 years, joined the army when the korean war broke out. now i have to sit at a defense table as a criminal? when i did nothing wrong? come on! so -- neil: when you would round up illegals, what was the criteria that you used that became so controversial? what was it? >> first of all i had the authority, my people to do it because we had the authority to act as immigration officers. number two, there were certain criteria. we didn't go around stopping people because of their color. we stopped them on a violation of law and pursuant to that, if they're here illegally, and supreme court said today, that you can do that, stop people and ask where they're from. so it is a very controversial situation. a lot of people don't understand it. so, i'm fighting it out and we'll see what happens. neil: are you after all of this bitter?

>> what, neil? neil: are you bitter? >> i don't like going negative. you know me, but i'm a little discouraged. it is not for me. it is for everybody because what they did to me they can do to anybody, believe me. and they can do it to the president, which they're trying to do anyway. so it's a bigger picture than that, just a sheriff. neil: sheriff arpaio. thank you very much. >> thank you. bye. neil: you heard joe arpaio saying he did not speak to the president beforehand on this pardon thing. opt on his very own not to go to the event in arizona. the fallout from that and i implications for the president after this. copd makes it hard to breathe.

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neil: let me get your sense then of what the president was hinting that last night, sheriff. has he talked to you personally on the phone lately? >> no, he has not. and that is okay. they put a price thing out that there would be no mention of days, but knowing the president, he has guts and courage and he was going to do it. neil: dallas for maricopa county sheriff's who is saying what a lot of people had suspected in indicating by arpaio is going to

be pardoned by the united states. a matter of time given what's happened in charlottesville not around this time and certainly not last night. there's a lot of people wondering where does this go. telling me he had no conversation immediately prior to the visit or any head that this is going to be done at the president was going to say what he said last night. he wasn't surprised the president said it appeared he said not to come to last night's rally and then it would be a distraction and not good for the president appeared former senior adviser to the national editorial committee bonnie chen and independent women's forum president carrie lukas. i'll rate, let me get a handle of what is going on. one of the first thing that comes to mind is whenever you think about whether sheriff joe arpaio is pardoned or were never come in was bad to issue one,

right? >> well, it was good and bad. it was good for his base. 35%, 45% of americans support trumpet will support him. i too move legislative issues like tax cuts and tax reform across the finish line, he needs more than that. i wish president trump would lobby for tax cuts and tax reform at a time when we are really desperate to get those. neil: it is a distraction to his point on one of the things shared said that i didn't want to be that distraction and yet in the middle of the president address last night coming atop about north korean government shutdown because the money to fund a border wall. what did you make of that? >> i agree completely. the focus needs to be a very busy time. there's going to be a ton of things congressional republicans want to get done whether it's tax reform it's tax or former infrastructure and unfortunately this issue is a distraction and the more this product proactively and preemptively,

the more of an issue it becomes. i agree completely it's a distraction. the president is on firm ground when he talks about the economy and economic growth. neil: you know what i wonder about, time is wasting. another thing we are talking about in washington and now given the bad blood we've seen develop between mitch mcconnell and the president is yet another distraction. >> absolutely. but the congress and president need to win in any to show they can make some real positive policy change enacting tax reform is where that start. i think there's a bipartisan, even democrats know the tax code is incredibly counterproductive in terms of economic growth and job creation. they have to get something done that lower taxes and fight the tax code. that has to be the focus this fall. neil: i was thinking when having

sheriff joe arpaio here, that markets are down, depending what statistics you use on inauguration day or from election day. 40% or more along the border. does the president and if that is the case, do we need to build a wall to enforce that? >> he certainly gets credit among his base. the question is whether he gets credit outside of his base. to get tax reform and a lot of the things the tax panel has been talking that if they need more of that. he is going to need senators mike mcconnell and house leader paul ryan. this is the time to come together. i don't think we need the wall. i think he's done an effective job. neil: you know, you could look at this and say it might be a viable part of this. a lot of people say he's deemed a racist, just doing his job

going after illegals and it scared other sheriffs after the feds are coming after them to do their job. the results are the resulting he said he brought up the results to get a handle on illegal immigration in his county. does that speak to himself or would that be pardoned or not? >> i think this will always continue to be an issue. immigration is a challenging issue for the republican party. it has been for several years already. whether you take tougher immigration, whether it's legal or illegal immigration tone like the president has or whether you look more at the reform angle is folks like marco rubio have, what you see this is a very divisive issue. so if we move forward as a party in terms of getting things done, looking towards the fall, it's important for us to arrive at least at some healthy amount of agreement on the issue and to the extent that she rubs salt in the wind, it will get harder and

harder to do that. neil: now stepping back for a sheriff arpaio and you call this a distraction or legitimate issue and when the president should address with a pardon, we do know even the top of the border wall thing and risking government shutdown was opposite from what alone wasn't going to happen. there would be no government shut down. his own treasury secretary had indicated the debt ceiling would be raised and there be no government shutdown. you get a sense they are not along the same page. >> yeah coming you know, obviously a lot of miscommunication and they do need to focus on this. i think we can take some hope from this idea, these reports that at least adding things on paper, moving forward on a tax reform bill, fleshing out the tax principles put out earlier in the summer, that that process is heading forward. we all know that the white house has a little bit of trouble with message discipline and congress,

but what is important at the end of the day is getting a tax reform bill that accomplishes what it needs to. the good news is that process seems to be moving forward. neil: it is moving forward. i look at this as someone who sees taxes is having a big impact on the economy. we can argue sides in who gets what. i do think they are beneficial. i am worried that i don't think they are going to happen this year, so you are the experts. i read the prompter, so that makes me qualified. what i am wondering about is if it does get resolved in the next year, we don't just look at the legislative timetable, then what? >> and i think the 2018 elections might be a disaster for republicans. if they want to assure their majority rule in the house and senate, they better pass that thing and they better make it retroactive to january 1st.

only if they do if they do that every entry in 2018 with 3% plus gdp growth. if they do that, they win. if they don't, they lose. you and i know if republicans lose the house will take five minutes for democrats to impeach trump on whatever charge they can come up with. neil: maybe 10. we have so much breaking news here. appreciate you taking the time in your busy schedule and rolling with all of this breaking news. thank you. we are going to talk to former arizona governor janet brewer, of course she worked very closely with sheriff joe arpaio and whether these are distractions are legitimate issues that will define the party going forward. a lot more after this. potsch: you each drive a ford pickup, right?

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neil: all right. there is news on the other side, the democratic chair debbie wasserman schultz on defense a little bit today. like berman has the details that is now causing a little bit of embarrassment. >> cumbersome and debbie wasserman schultz standing behind her reasoning for not firing and ron all women, the staffer who had access to the house network suspended while he was on the radar of federal

investigators. last month he was arrested as he was trying to fly to pakistan, which is where he is from. he was charged with bank fraud. other lawmakers that fired alwan months while wasserman schultz wait until after the arrests. speaking with reporters yesterday, wasserman schultz cited due process as part of the reason she held off on his firing. >> once he was charged with a crime, i was certainly satisfied he was getting due process he needed and i terminated him. before that, when he was not in a wanted to make sure i stood for making sure his rights were to come it was important to do that. reporter: she suggest he was being scrutinized because of his muslim faith. last week and he along with his wife was indicted on additional counts including conspiracy to

commit bank fraud, loan or credit application and engaging in lawful money transactions. neil. neil: thank you very much. you might have heard this once or twice. robert lee, no relation to the federal were confederate general, robert e. lee, espn took it upon themselves to say we don't think would be a good idea for you to be broadcasting university of virginia maryland game on september 2nd, so it's not. it has been the time we were running like crazy anything having to do with slaves, talking essays, befriending phase, you name it. former ohio state democratic senator and former bush 43 political appointee, michael barnes. i begin with you. this is the point where you jump the shark on this issue with something like this. what you think? >> it is, neil. a bad decision, really didn't make sense.

one thing you can say is they spoke with mr. lee in making the decision. he's not going out without work is being assigned to a different game the same day. the reality is this issue related to terms approach to charlottesville is unacceptable and not just democrats who are outraged. it's also independents and moderates in trump has to do a better job and the responses you've given over the past few days over the teleprompter and trying to correct his initial response to charlottesville. he's got to make sure the american american values in that remains unclear at this point. neil: i don't know if it's unclear, but one thing i want to ask you about is the idea of whether your party is over doing it here because there's a lot of average americans who hear talk about blowing up mount rushmore or in georgia where there's three prominent confederate speakers.

going after george washington, defining all sharpton says the jefferson memorial -- where are we going? >> frankly the examples you just gave her the exceptions to the rule. yes we need to have a dialogue around race and unfortunate circumstance -- neil: what are the examples? >> frankly, i think that is a step too far. here is why. there's a huge difference between george washington and thomas jefferson, who are founders of the nation who fought for our independence versus those who thought to tear this nation apart. neil: in your party, capri, because they had slaves and because jefferson -- >> and again -- neil: even on mount rushmore, link and a little dicey because he might've had been slaves before he freed the slaves. >> obviously, obviously --

obviously, i don't know what is going on with pr. slavery is reprehensible. everyone agrees that bad. there is a significant difference between somebody like washington or jefferson who founded this nation, founded our principles and global history in the west is very complicated. we need to have conversations. neil: michael, you touched on it with you the idea you can have a genuine conversation. the concern republicans are was lame for being racist and all that jazz. >> i'm certainly not saying that. neil: i know you're not. how do republicans react to this? this is overkill. we are not racist and a spear just average american sameness is overkill. would you do? >> last last week in "the wall street journal" this is the time to write more monuments to the people take positions consistent with current american values and show there is an important place for the lesson we learned from

her terrible in terms of slavery and other bombs, we don't have to eliminate or destroyed monuments or add monuments to the people who stood up for american values, especially individual freedom. neil: i want to thank you both. a great job as always. we are going to see some later on today. kaepernick protesting at the nfl headquarters. boxing legend george foreman criticizing the quarterback as a result. take a look. >> i've got all this money, but nobody knows me. so let me say something. like mohammed ali, i'll be different. a lot of the site and worn. i love the united states. i love the flags, but a lot of people haven't found a reason. they've never been brought up with people who are pictured on it. neil: that was former multiple heavyweight champion saying you've got to get real here and

this comes at a time when so many are protesting on behalf of the free agent now. they cannot find a team for him whether it's because he's just done a great quarterback anymore or whatever. they just don't want him or maybe it's too controversial and they don't want to deal with that. sports agent rich delgado, what you think of all this stuff? >> you know what, there's so many opinions out there. i think when it comes to: kaepernick, the nfl owners own the teams. they pick who they want to play. obviously, none of them wanting. do we know he's a good quarterback or bad quarterback? he's still a good quarterback. he didn't have a great year when he finished off. it's like ray rice. he could've still played, still in great shape and should be playing football, but no one wanted to take that burden or risk. >> is that your fans? >> the fans go crazy.

they write letters to owners and they say we are not showing up. >> don't owners just want to win >> they do. but you also have to do it, not that its cost was, but you have to be careful because the fans are the ones that pay the bills. neil: let me ask you because you know far more about sports than i do. kaepernick when he started kneeling during the national anthem a couple years ago, he's been in the league now for five or six years, right session right somehow interpreted that this story when his plane performance -- was legitimate in your eyes? >> i don't think it's legitimate. he reached the top peak. he got his team to a super bowl, but he got hurt. does one have to do it the other? i don't think so. everyone is entitled to speak their mind. he is speaking his mind and is tired of seeing what's going on in the country.

maybe he's got a great format, obviously been in the nfl in being a quarterback, but there's other ways of going around it. what where that is, i don't know. i think he used what he had. he had an opportunity to express his feelings and thoughts. >> some owners make it very clear you're not doing it. jerry jones, that doesn't happen with cowboy players. can they rule that way? >> i don't know. everyone is different. good luck without one. neil: what happened? >> i don't know. he's going to be out of work. they took a quarterback, orton who hadn't played since 2014. they were thinking of bringing him in when you have kaepernick who is there, who can play. neil: the idea of all these people pitching on his behalf today, is that going to move the needle? >> i don't think so.

you are allowed to express yourself in this country. you don't get sent to a nice boxer jailed if you speak your mind, but i don't think protesters are going to do anything because at the end of the day, the owners own the teams. you can't tell another what to do. neil: real quick, who's going to win? >> mayweather. drain tube really? i say macgregor. >> disqualification because mcgregor gets frustrated and topples mayweather. neil: all right,, always good seeing you. in the meantime, joe arpaio stopping here and only here to let us know that he still likes the president. the president clearly likes him even though he disinvited himself to the big chat last night. he did catch what the president said about some good in the works for the sheriff. could that be a pardon?

we will talk to the arizona a congresswoman next.

neil: when you were getting rid of illegals, what is the criteria you use that became so controversial. what was that? >> first of all, i had the authority to do it because we had the authority to act as immigration officers. number two, we didn't go around stopping people because of their color. we stopped them on violation of law in pursuing to that if they are here illegally, the supreme court said today you can do that, stop people and ask where they are from. it is a very controversial situation. a lot of people don't understand it. we will see what happens. neil: that was former maricopa county sheriff arpaio telling us that he opted not to go to donald trump speech last night. he didn't want to add a

distraction for the president. the president did mention his name a few times, maybe a pardon could be in the works very very good news down the road. arizona republican governor jan brewer. good to have you. do you think that sheriff joe should get a pardon? >> you know, that is not for me to decide. i believe every president was the lack did and along with that comes the privilege of pardoning whoever you want. i believe a lot of supporters out there believe that joe should be pardoned. i personally believe we should wait until a sentence comes down and not insert the judicial system. what is he going to pardon him from until he is sentenced? and what's a couple more weeks to wait on not? i believe he's not going to go to jail and i know he probably doesn't like it hanging over his head, but i believe in the judicial system. i believe in the court system

and the rule of law. you know, i think he should be sentenced first and then the president get to decide what it is he wants to do. just like all the prior presidents. president obama, president bush. that's what they do. neil: let me ask you that. we are to have to decide whether it warrants the traditional six months jail time that comes about. if he is given no jail time, the judge rules on community service or i don't know what the alternatives are, governor, would that be fine enough for the president not to intervene and not to pardon something that seems a very light fine or so sheriff seemingly saying this is wrong. discharge me. i'm not a racist. i'm not targeting hispanics. i'm doing my job. what do you think? >> well, i believe anybody has

that kind of power as we do as governors. i've never pardoned anyone as governor, but it is up to the person that has that power and it's up to the president of the united states. neil: if you had that power, would you pardon him? >> you know, that is a hypothetical for me to answer. it makes it really difficult because i wasn't in the courtroom. i just know what i've read in the paper and heard on the news in regards to all that. she'll explain you cannot profile people in the state of arizona. we were very, very clear when i signed that bill 1070 that if they were stopped they could ask for i.d. that's a federal law. you can ask for identification. we all get asked for i.d. if that case, there's an issue there. i don't sit in the courtroom. i'm not a judge, nor my lawyer. i know from my liquid ricers what i was told and i follow the law. neil: a lot of people focusing

on the president, but he singled out your two senators, never naming them, mccain or jeff flake. expressing frustration with them. would he think of that? >> well, coming from arizona and knowing personally both of the united states senators, it is difficult to hear. they are duly elected officials. go win there and go into a body by congress and that's the only thing you have. the art of making policy in moving america forward is the art of compromise. everyone needs to sit down and determine what they can give out. neil: the president doesn't like what jeff flake is doing and wants to run a primary challenge. is he hurting the party by advocating that? >> it's very disruptive old because it doesn't really service right now.

he needs to get along with those people in congress. the majority of the american people on both sides of the aisle want things like tax reform, infrastructure, border secured those are the important things people are concerned about and they will not get any of that unless you make peace with congress. senator flake is going to be there for another year and a half. let's get this all behind us and move forward. neil: i hear what you're saying. i did manage a bunny like that. thank you very much. good seeing you again. >> thank you so much, neil. neil: mayweather, mcgregor fight. both are going to earn more money than the powerball ticket. we are very close. but it is what is going on behind the scenes that is just over the top, the vatican is unreal. -- the betting is unreal. after this.

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neil: big money this weekend. floyd mayweather,, mcgregor fighting this weekend. and that's being placed on presumably under.mcgregor. he's irish so you can imagine the other guy winning. free on basic cable with irish accent. mma fighter, heather hardy is here. she's still so young. heather, authority made up my mind. i'm going to ask you one tough question. would you make of the money these guys are going to make if you have to scratch and claw and the women's division to get anything? >> it's incredible. i would fight floyd mayweather for that kind of money. >> do you think it is a spectacle? >> i do. it's more like an event for the media. they are doing a great job selling it. when i first heard it, i swore i wasn't going to buy it. i can't wait to see it.

neil: would you like to see women do the same? >> would be incredible. so many doors can be opened from thence. neil: what i don't understand, and you may be no better than i do, why is it getting to be such a downer for these guys in vegas? what is happening? >> they are worried because so much money is coming in on mcgregor. he was the underdog. they expected it to go off at 25-1. he was the underdog because he has no shot to win. neil: he can do a lot of his ultimate fighting stuff. >> other boxing rules. they are fighting a boxing match. how are you going to be floyd mayweather in a boxing match. neil: of what he think about that the rules are the favorite? >> they agree to that.

brought up the money to the table. but gregor wanted to fight them so bad. he said okay, in my house. neil: don't you think something could go wrong by mcgregor, you know? >> is going to lose too much money. so much more on this by. neil: can you see mcgregor winning? these boxers are very elitist about boxing. >> it's because we see boxing is not a fight. it's not who's tough and strong. mayweather just forgot -- he just knows too much stuff. neil: isn't mayweather eight years old. >> he could be a hundred. neil: a lot of boxes have been fearing what's happening, taking the attention, money away from the sport. this was meant to maybe get proposals, but doesn't boxing need this more than ultimate fighting? >> toxin is always going to

survive. they will always have high-level fight. a couple years ago we were talking about mayweather impac el, half a billion dollars. $600,000 -- $600 million revenue. boxing will survive, but certainly this particular thing we have to disciplined spending, nma versus boxing with so many of to it. neil: boxing isn't what it used to be. one heavyweight before you came along. one heavyweight champion, won middleweight champion. now we have multiple players in alphabet soup and i'm sure the mailboxes were, what has he done to women's? >> women's boxing is almost nonexistent. we get so little airtime, so little visibility, that there are women who are five-time world champions that are unheard of. people who are the floyd mayweather of women's boxing.

neil: there is a money ceiling, a limit. >> there sure is. tv networks have refused to air female flies. prior to last year, we've seen a complete change, turn around like a few more women televised. before that, they were sort of shutting down the idea of televising women in it made it impossible for us to make any money. neil: a lot of us talking about it. you were mentioning before i think it was rhonda didn't want to encourage domestic abuse. we have had in tennis and other sports. >> well, when you look in the e.u. can take a fighter like conor mcgregor get into make a fight like this. he hasn't had one professional docs match any avoiding floyd mayweather. neil: would you be worried about that, even though you can take care of yourself i have no doubt about that, but others say it is

dangerous because they would encourage domestic abuse. >> it's true. women and men are physically build different. women at 125 pounds might not be as strong as the man at 125 pounds, the physical strain is definitely different when you fight that way. neil: would you ever want to do it? as a challenge you or do you challenge them? >> at different levels. when i know more stuff about boxing in them, i can go in with really big eyes and it's fine. but when they know just as much about boxing as me, i have to watch out. neil: do the underestimate you all the time? >> sometimes they overestimate me and wound up getting hurt. neil: in the end, you still think mayweather is winning? >> i don't even think a question. neil: i think it is mcgregor.

>> don't bet on it. >> only the trips on the way in. >> this is so rigged against mcgregor that it's karma. don't you think so? it's all right to do everything you do. >> it is like saying lebron james is such a great basketball player. why not put him in a hockey ring and let them play against hockey players. not going to happen. neil: guys, want to thank you. it is going to be certainly the biggest pay-per-view we've ever seen. the oddity these folks are catching on is a draw. you think of a gamblers come in? we will see. still going to be a mcgregor. i read a prompter. i think i would know. in the meantime, maybe you could just win the lotto and avoid this, even though it's what's at stake in the powerball lottery.

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distraction. we don't know if they'll mention him today in nevada. we shall see. meanwhile, are you part of the powerball lottery pandemonium, spreading out over 20, 30 years? gerri willis breaking down the numbers. >> that is right. mr. caputo, you have seen the headlines. the powerball chat out winner could walk away with a cool $700 million. reality is far, far different. first off, $700 million figure is a pretax number. only people who choose to take their winnings as an annuity, in other words 30 installments over 29 years.

we will see the total amount. if you take your winnings as a lump sum, the amount you win is $443 million. disappointing. and then you have to pay taxes. 25% in new york, estate tax of 8.2%. it would take $110 million in new york would get a cool $39 million. that leaves you with just $294 million. okay maybe not so bad. the big question is this. which way should you go? lump sum or annuity. since 2003, two out of 400 winners have chosen to take the money over time even though they get a lot more dough. if it were my money, i would do the exact same named for two reasons. number one, who knows what happens to lottery's overtime. 30 years is a long, long time. using financial problems illinois is facing. they suspended sales of tickets earlier this year.

what happens if anyone of the state go bankrupt. second, who knows where tax rates will go. my guesscome and they go higher, not lower. neil: that is a safe bet. thank you so much. let's say you've are in that position and you want to think of it in there. how do you improve the odds of enjoying all of that? richard, by the way has won the lottery multiple times. in fact, coming up with a strategy, so his tips on not a very valuable right now. good to have you. update me. how many lotteries have you won? >> okay, let's not mislead your viewers. i have not one a lottery. i have 17 lottery game brand prizes -- a grand prizes. whatever games i was playing, i won the grand prize, the highest

praise you could win in those games. neil: all right. how did you do that? >> by following my method i had created them in the beginning i didn't even know i was creating a method. if you said to me 20 years ago or so you are going to create a massive that will enable you to win millions of dollars and you're going to write a best-selling book, i would've said to you, yeah right. neil: one of the things you say as avoid quick pick. a lot of people do that to make it easier. when the numbers. you say avoid that. why? >> absolutely. it is human nature to be lazy. they buy quick pick because they don't want to be involved. for your viewers who don't know any quick pick it up and that is when you go when, pay a couple of bucks, the guy gives you some tickets and the computer picks

your numbers. the reason you don't want to do that is because every time you buy quick pick me up a different set of numbers. therefore, numbers are always different and your odds are always going to be at their worst. for powerball at one and 257 million, whatever it is. pick your own numbers and play them consistently. never change them. never miss a draw. you're increasing chances of winning. trade to the losses they use the entire board. what does that mean? >> the people who are smart enough not to buy quick picks in the pick their own numbers, the mistake most of those people make is what numbers do they pick? earth day anniversaries, things like that. all the numbers they are plainer between one and 31 because the most is in any month is 31 days. they are not even play numbers 32 through 69 and powerball.

that doesn't decrease their chances of winning. here's what it does affect. if you are fortunate enough for one of your ticket to win and not you've been buying as birthdays and anniversaries and so forth, you will find you split the jack pot 10, 15, 20 or more people because of people play birthdays and anniversaries. but if you spread your choice of numbers over the whole spectrum of numbers you had to pick from and powerball one through 69, you will find almost every time if you're fortunate to have a winning ticket, you would be the only winner or you only have to split that money with two or three people. neil: that makes sense. one thing i found interesting here. you say stick with your instincts, go with your gut. what does that mean?

>> i'm sorry can you cut out on me. neil: i'm sorry. you said stick with your instincts. what does that mean? >> i never said that. neil: we are getting it from somewhere so i apologize if it's not you. when people do get numbers, they say don't use anniversaries or birth dates. >> no, now, i'm not saying don't use them. don't just play one through 31. spread about one through 69. neil: a lot of people go nuts on this as you know. i know so many people who buy hundreds of lottery ticket and they keep doing it and keep doing it. what you think of people who do that? >> they are foolish because most of the times they are buying quick picks, which i'm dead set against quick picks. what happens now is they are spending more money than they can afford to spend.

i preach to set a budget. now they wake up the next morning not only finding out they are a loser, but also trying to figure out how they were placed the money they spent it was supposed to go towards the rent. neil: okay, by the way just so you know i got that stuff on the instinct from "forbes" magazine. they interviewed you, maybe they botched it. >> they might have. >> quoted wrong. >> the odds of me reading that magazine, it's done. a little bit more after this. don't let dust and allergens get between you and life's beautiful moments. switch to flonase allergy relief. flonase outperforms the #1 non-drowsy allergy pill. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by overproducing

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neil: even into light of charlottesville, what happened there, maybe such a pardon would be considered is being delayed. do you think that is a factor here? >> oh, i don't know. he wasn't ashaped. he went out there and talked about it. -- ashamed. he is still in charge. he is the president. i have a great deal of respect for him. neil: that was sheriff joe arpaio making big news with us on the show. former maricopa county sheriff who the tested crocked down oneg

here. not right now. reno nevada, the president is getting ready to speak. maybe he will speak about sheriff joe ben again. trish: i'm sure he would have loved to get the pardon last night. but certainly sounded like it might be coming. neil: i think it