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, there is always this little nuance, unfortunately, it is absolutely not funny, and we will talk about these details further on our air, in a moment we will be joined by a human rights activist and a public activist from poland, but first we will talk about what concerns ukraine and the actual shelling, what happened that night about the ukrainian yes , the director of communications of ukrenergo maria tsaturyan, mrs. maria, thank you for responding promptly er inform, er, yes, tell me, please, because somehow we collect three waves of shelling bit by bit, we understand that the enemy uses here cunningly , for example, daggers, which, if there is no patriot, it is impossible to shoot down, and they strike in, well, three directions, the first is energy.

the second is other, well, for example, the gas storage facilities that we just talked about, we understand that without patriot you can't do anything, or does ukrenergo have any ideas, because there may be many more waves of such shelling, is there any option and in a different way, as they say, to protect energy facilities in the future, there is such an option, and ukrenergo... implements in relation to its facilities, these are the trunk substations of our company, which are directly responsible for the transmission of electricity over long distances, and this is a three-level protection, which is the first the level protects against debris, missiles or drones, the second protects against direct drone strikes, the third is more complex and technically difficult, which protects. from missile strikes, and i

can, i cannot go into details here, but i can say that if ukrenergo this protection did not realize the first or second level, starting from last year, preparing for today, the current heating season, the consequences of the attacks that we have been observing since march 22 daily could be twice or three times greater, that is why there is such protection, in electro. power stations, the situation regarding protection is more complicated, i will also not tell the enemy and go into details, but of course, the so-called active protection, i.e. air defense means, can definitely improve the situation significantly, regarding the protection of power plants, directly objects that produce electricity to the network. maria, we can see where the rockets fly, where they land, where they shoot down. and we understand that

an insidious neighbor can also aim at very important objects that threaten not only that ukraine will end up in the dark, but a man-made disaster, well, like dniprogest or the gas storage, that's exactly what we're talking about, we saw that with the kakhovsky reservoir, they have done as much as they can, as much as they can repeat, or want to repeat, to do the same with other hydroelectric power plants on the territory of ukraine. let's talk about this now the cascade along the dnieper, is that where they are aiming? look, ah, i am not a military person, nor is any employee of ukrenergo, and besides, we are not psychiatrists, so it is very difficult for us to get into the sick heads of the russians and understand where they are going, but i can say this: a- and while the war continues, ah, the power systems of ukraine, and each of its objects, both the power plant and the main substation of ukrenergo, is... one

of the priority targets of the enemy, and it does not depend on weather conditions, the season of the year, or whatever, we should all be ready. until now the war continues until ukraine has won, the neighbor, a madman, will destroy , try to destroy the ukrainian energy system, and the goal is obviously simple: our civilization is built on electricity, without electricity it is very difficult to hold the rear, the economy of ukraine, and almost nothing works without electricity, we we already know this, we, unfortunately, all have negative experiences in the past. heating season, so the goal is simple - to damage the rear as much as possible in order to win at the front. i think that my subjective opinion is exactly such a tactic are used by the russians

to attack civilian objects, such as power plants and substations, with all possible weapons. ah, i understood that we also draw conclusions, as energy experts, and... ukrenergo prepared for all possible scenarios, forecasting various, even very bad scenarios, this is basically our job, but it is very important that the population is also ready for that the enemy can continue such massive attacks on the power system, we say this all the time, and summer or spring, the end of the heating season, this is not an excuse to relax, for us energy workers to restore objects very much... frugal consumption by the population will help, well, we can also advise , as we always advise, to keep ready power banks, maybe some rechargeable lamps or other devices that can allow you to survive these uncomfortable eyes several hours

while the energy workers restore the power system, and you must always remember that if there is an attack, you will have no electricity, that's when they are repairing it. are actively working to return it to you, we have people for this, we have there is equipment for this, it is only a matter of time, so there is no need to panic here, but one must consciously maintain a frugal mode of consumption and be prepared for possible temporary interruptions in the power supply. ms. maria, thank you for participating in our broadcast, maria tsaturyan , director of communications of ukrenergo, that is , summarizing, they want to plunge the country into darkness, they want to destroy, destroy the entire country, diesel and gasoline generators in our small business, and it will even more, they still won't be able to, and the energy workers are well done, because because both kharkiv and odesa were returned literally

a day after the water supply was cut off, which also requires electricity, so natalya panchenko, whom we talked about, should be in touch with us. she is in touch with us, public activist, human rights activist, mrs. natalya, we welcome you, congratulations, good day, well, we are talking about that meeting yesterday, when mr. michel came to tusk, and then said that he was a swindler, and the two governments negotiated, negotiated, they say that they negotiated well, but somehow it did not happen on the border i can hear a lot, on one they started to let in, on yes, in the future they will still block there. so what is not agreed to the end or how to understand it? agreed on many things, but not on everything, perhaps it would be best to call it that, and unfortunately, on the topic that is the most painful, on the decision that we all waited for the most, the agreements have not yet reached

a final agreement, they moved to month, i mean exactly the border blockade and the unblocking of the border between poland and... ukraine, many agreements have indeed been reached, and yesterday the premiers of poland and ukraine had a joint press conference where they announced what they had come to. unfortunately, if we are talking about agricultural products, the negotiations, which lasted almost 5 hours, nevertheless, unfortunately, there are no solutions for ukrainians and poles, these negotiations will be continued. and the final decision was postponed, at least as it was reported yesterday, for a month. on the one hand, this is, of course, dictated by the political situation in poland, because local council elections are taking place here on april 7, and this is one of the reasons why they cannot announce

any decision before the elections. the second reason is that i managed to communicate with the members of this negotiation group from both the polish and ukrainian sides. on the other hand, i understood that the biggest obstacles in these negotiations were caused by the deputy minister of agriculture of poland, among other things, due to his attitude and steadfastness, it was not possible to reach an agreement, although after a few hours it seemed that the ukrainian and polish teams had a common plan actions, that is why, unfortunately, but on this one point we are forced to wait further and we very much hope that in a month there will be some kind of final decision, that the blockades... will stop, that polish farmers will finally stop holding the border

hostage, and together with the border , the ukrainian population is not to blame for anything, especially the front and the front-line territories, so there is definitely a positive from this meeting, whether it was definitely needed, it would also have been great from my side to have held it some six months ago, but it is good that it was at least now. well, now we are waiting for next month, to be honest, in i had no expectations that any loud decision would be made yesterday, because everyone who understands the polish context and understands how hot the pre-election races are now here, it was clear that the authorities would simply be afraid to make any decision that they might not support , whether in whole or in part, or which to some extent could not satisfy. a certain group of the population, and the protesting farmers, as we know, unfortunately, represent a rather large

cross-section of the population in poland, and it is they who will be chosen in the local elections, so for i personally predicted this situation , mrs. nalya, half a year ago we were waiting for one election and we thought that there would be difficult questions in a few days, well, in a few weeks, everything would be resolved, but it has already been since december, since november, i apologize, almost six months, well, four months the fifth is gone, and again we are waiting for the election, and you know that there will be another election in yes, in the european parliament, the election process is very long, and we understand that, i will just add part of the question, the problem with the grain, however, is that the poles do not want to open after all, the gate is the market for ukrainian grain, corn, the truth is, yes, this is the biggest problem, we even agreed on some agricultural products yesterday, but as soon as we get to the grain. emotions begin, and in fact, for now we stand on the grain, the grain keeps these negotiations at

one point, and we cannot, unfortunately, move from this point. uhu, and in general, if we have already mentioned a little about these elections, maybe a little insider, you communicate, there is a bet that the sejms in local self-government will again be in pisu to return to na na this is played with ukrainian grain, because pisu has now lost power. with a very small margin, they go with poe practically one to one and such a struggle is quite intense for them at all levels of the elections, that is why both of them are now very actively promoting their election campaign, that is why both of them have now distanced themselves from this issue , because she is very disadvantageous to them in the election campaign, fine, but they could play mrs. natalya, this calm... enemy who divided poland, occupied and destroyed, it is called ruskie, and there is some such

option, you have to go and eat home, and there is already a blockade of the russian one, the flow through belarus is not even there anymore, so in this case, is there any readiness of the new government and a political decision to repeat the practice of lithuania, the lithuanians clearly blocked. into the border for russian drivers, even if they will hang belarusian license plates on themselves. is there any polish solution or was it also postponed? well , vehicles from russia cannot officially enter poland since 2020. can not, but climbs as it should be. but they use black schemes, that is, for example, transport and products of third countries, which is very difficult to control at the state level, in connection with which. poland is officially asking the european union

, we urged them to ask for a full embargo on russian and belarusian products, unfortunately they are asking for 50 percent taxes, and they say it will help limit sales, maybe the price will change, but i'm not sure what trade will stop, for our part, as euromaidan warsaw... we are completely dissatisfied with this, we continue to advocate that there should be a full embargo on all russian and belarusian products, not only in poland, on the territory of the entire european union, and we are actually preparing 6 april in the center of warsaw , exactly one day before the elections, an action on this issue, because we are not going to be silent on this issue, we believe that until at the official level any trade with russia is prohibited, these black schemes, smuggling, they and will continue

the same scheme is the same not only with agricultural products, not only with grain, they are this wood that you... from belarus, how did they react in poland to the investigation, when it turned out that it was allegedly for wood that was being transported from kazakhstan all the same, the prices are not the same, the scale is not the same, they bring it from belarus, fake documents, stamps and signatures forged in photoshop, was the reaction the same as it was to trade, to the import of grain from russia into poland? unfortunately, no, they only talk about this situation. narrow circles of experts and sometimes journalists, if we talk about society, this topic has not even gained wide publicity in society, again, because poland now lives exclusively by elections, from any tv screens, radio broadcasts and newspapers, only related news flies at you with the elections, and only what is interesting

to the domestic political market, unfortunately, this topic can even be said to... has remained rather unnoticed in poland, but this does not change the fact that this is a problem for poland as well, because it shows how the polish border , which is the border of the european union with russia, is leaky, and that in reality anyone who wants to can photoshop and import, this is a red flag for me, if we are talking about the security of poland, considering the missiles that have recently started flying here, it seems to me that... after all, it would be worthwhile to focus on one's own security and, even without thinking about ukraine, and finally thinking about oneself, start pursuing a slightly different policy when it comes to russia and belarus. we agree, public activist and human rights defender nataliya panchenko was with us, thank you for participation in our ether. do you have another problem? well, there are many problems, but we will have time

to talk about one today. kateryna budko, head of the public council at the national agency for the prevention of corruption, what you hear on tv, as you call it, she is in touch with us, mrs. kateryna, congratulations, good day, we, we are about this high-profile event , well, about the fact that ukraine closes the list of international sponsors of the war, and we remember with this list, oh, what battles were there, i remember orban's tantrums that we will block everything if you are the otp bank, which is there in moscow is building up. to put zherok on this list , the same thing happened with auchan, in my opinion, and that frenchman, they pushed, pushed, the west had an effect, and after all, their business was broken, that is, we broke through the knee, well, in fact, we broke ourselves a little bit, so that it was necessary in these two years to somehow legitimize the activity that the ncp was engaged in, because the problem is

that this entire list, in fact, the ncp led to... voluntarily and as a response to aggression, that is , it was not in their powers, not in the powers of any state body, and accordingly, in order for all of this to be there in accordance with the law, it was still necessary to legally approve all of this, not as a fact, to transfer it to the zk, another body or someone else, but for it to act... it was clear, clearly, how the companies get there, who should lead it, and even if there is no legal responsibility, that even this responsibility, which this list carried, the sponsors of the war, it is so reputable that it also needs to be approved, unfortunately, two

for years, no one has done anything with this list at the state level to resolve this issue, and of course, our international ones. partners or not quite partners, but there is pressure that this list should be closed, okay, ms. kateryna, now tell me this option, my uncle always said, there is nothing wrong that will not turn out well, but maybe now in we are just going to get positives, here you see, visits to india, with china, something is being whispered there, and it was all on those lists, maybe they will go from minuses to pluses, or you don't see such a thing, well, everything is possible. but in fact, taking into account the fact that there were not all campaigns in that list, and accordingly he carried only the reputable character, and it is hard for me to believe that... it was he who could become the cause of huge international scandals, well, what was it for orbán, for orbán it was the

number one question sierto started every toast with this, well it was the number one question for him one or just the number one excuse not to give help, the question here is, in fact, if a person is looking for an excuse, of course it's a good excuse, or is it... was the same problem. does this mean that these companies will now begin to actively return to ukraine. well, not all of them went out, after all. well, international companies did not leave ukraine, someone suspended their activities, but in any case, i do not know , i am not sure that this will also affect the companies that did leave the russian market, they will start to return there, i ... i hope not, given that there are still certain sanctions, but it is clear that those companies that did not leave the russian market, such as the same

otp bank you already mentioned, now have no reason to somehow change their they will not have an opinion either, and they will remain perfectly as they are to the russian market, and in fact, i will remind you that the itp bank became one of the international sponsors of the war not because... they remained on the territory of the russian federation, or rather, not only because of this, but also because this bank currently issues loans, concessions for russians participating in the war. ugh, and that's it, now, let's talk about the cons, well , it was a reputation list, but on the other hand, at least there was something, because at the beginning of the invasion, in every store, even on the price tags, it was marked. there is a russian product, remember, belarusian, yes marked, then it all disappeared, here at least they marked this list in terms of reputation, well, they removed it, and what minuses

we can have now, we literally have a moment, well , in fact, it would be good to revive this list after all, but already on a public basis, including, perhaps, some public association took on such a mission of entering this list, including. its expansion, because many companies that could have been added there, they were not added there simply because the nzk did not have enough time and resources for this. thank you to you, mrs. kateryna, kateryna budku, head of the prizk public council, these are the consequences when ukraine closed the external demands of this list of international sponsors of the war . some allies , some not quite allies, that is, it was not entirely our decision, but we had to do so, we will actually say goodbye,

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by football, stronger together. we summarize the informative morning in ukraine in news broadcasts from the press. khrystyna porubiy works in the studio. during the night and morning , the enemy launched 60 shaheds across ukraine. 58 of them were shot down by our air defense. the soldiers also destroyed 26 rockets of various types. these are 17 cruise missiles, kh-101, kh-555, five guided aircraft kh-59 and four iskander cruise missiles.