for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. insidious ballistic strike. russia attacked kyiv for the third time in 5 days. what could be the purpose of persistent air attacks on the capital. a new victory of the armed forces in the black sea. the russian navy continues to lose warships. how soon will the russians be without the black sea fleet? a wave of xenophobia in russia, torture of detainees and threats of retaliation for the terrorist attack in crocus. how putin uses tragedy to consolidate power. about this and other things, in the next one hours we talk with our guests, general serhii kryvonos, diplomat oleksandr khara and former deputy of the state duma of the russian federation, russian opposition politician ilya ponomarev. in the second part of our program, i will have my colleague as a guest. maryna danylyuk yarmalyaeva. however

, before starting our big conversation, let's watch a video of the consequences of the impact of two russian ballistic missiles launched from crimea on kyiv this morning. missiles destroyed ukrainian air defense. debris from them fell in the pechersk, solomyansk and dnipro districts. the building of the academy of decorative and applied arts and residential high-rise buildings were damaged, two people were hospitalized. we look, attention, air, please, direct.

the alarm started at 10:29 and immediately after literally 10 seconds a projectile flew by, our windows were slightly damaged, but the house was also contaminated, but the main thing is that we were alive. we run out into the corridor and, like in a horror movie , we see dust, nothing is visible, here, there, there are no windows, there are no walls, there are no walls on one side friends, we are working in... live on

the espresso tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, there you can vote and take part in our survey, today we are asking you about the following: do you believe that the terrorist attack in moscow was organized fsb? yes, no, if you're sitting in front of the tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote 0800-211-381, no 0800-211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we'll... tally up this vote. we have our first guest on the phone, this is serhiy kryvonos, reserve major general, former first deputy commander of the sso, ex-deputy secretary of the national security council in 2019-20, mr. general, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. general, defense express claims that during today's morning strike, the enemy used two

of the latest hypersonic zircon missiles at once, which were shot down directly over kyiv. the rockets that washed over kyiv, as kyivpost writes, were aimed at the premises where high-ranking sbu officials are located, this zircon rocket, it is designed to defeat enemy surface ships equipped with anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense systems. what is the danger of such a missile, which is launched from the occupied crimea and hits the ukrainian capital, that is, explain to our tv viewers what is the danger of this zircon , the latest missile, which the russians are currently testing by hitting peaceful cities? well, first of all , the most difficult thing for our air defense is the speed of this missile.

according to official data, the speed of this rocket is at the level of 8-9 mach. what is one swing - it is 330 m/s. here count, with at what speed does it move? the descent range of this missile, again from different sources , is from 1000 to 1500 km, and the flight height is 30-40 km, the weight of the warhead is 300-400 kg of explosives, this is quite serious and such a missile can cause great damage when hitting a target, therefore for our air defense, this is just a challenge, but taking into account the weapons provided by the western partners, we cope with this challenge at this stage. what, in your opinion, is the reason for the intensity of shelling by the russian occupiers, of ukrainian critical infrastructure, in particular of thermal power plants, considering that

we are already passing through the winter period, it is already spring, and this is a little easier, they just want to deprive military facilities of energy supply. in general, their biggest dream is to destroy ukraine as an independent independent state and destroy all patriots, and those who remain will be directly made obedient slaves, no more, no less, therefore any destruction they carry out on the territory of ukraine for them brings joy, they do it methodically, systematically, with their permission allows their economy, which has been transferred to function in the conditions of a special period, you know, we have not transferred, but they have transferred for a long time and are steadily producing a huge number of weapons that destroy our cities and villages. as for our energy facilities again, at certain moments our politicians began to talk too much, and

this was almost the entire end of february and the beginning of march, when they happily told us that we survived the winter, there were no disruptions, the russians did nothing they did, well, there is gold. rules in of the army, how many times did i remain silent , how many times did i not regret it, why remind the enemy and why give excuses that, immediately after these strikes, once again discredit our government, that was good, that's what we told about it, that's it, why do it , i do not understand at all why the tongue goes ahead of the mind, well, this is a rhetorical question, mr. general, i think everything is obvious here, along with the fact that ... the russians are shelling our critical infrastructure, russian missiles continue to fly into the territory of neighboring poland, in night on the 24th on march 30, a russian missile flew into the territory of a neighboring state for 39 seconds, the spokesman of the operational command

of the polish armed forces, jaczyk horyszewski , explained that the russian missile was not shot down on sunday night, as it would pose a risk to the local population. let's listen to what he said. in the morning, it was moving at a speed of almost 800 km/h, at an altitude of 400 m, it passed along the border for about 2 km, then it flew out of our territory, during the entire time it was in our space, it was, of course, under the radar observation we knew its trajectory and direction, we expected it to come out of our space, and it did. mr. general , do you understand the behavior of poland and the members of the north atlantic alliance, they do not want the situation to escalate, but if missiles are

already flying into their territory, what does it mean? study the reaction of nato countries to any provocations they carry out. er, the russian armed forces, and this is not the first example with missiles, i’m not saying something that is not particularly advertised, and meanwhile, the russian rap is powerful enough and often influences the navigation system and not only the navigation system, the means of communication on the territory of poland and other baltic countries, the russians do this systematically and study directly what and how the relevant actions are monitored, they prepare, and these are just such systematic ones. the provocation will show that the russians are studying the future theater of military operations and are studying the capabilities of the polish air defense forces, their capabilities and the speed of their reaction, that is , they are taking the poles weakly so far

, i understand correctly, at this stage yes, but you you know how the very same nato soldiers joke when the question is deciphering what nato is, no action talkcom. no actions, only talk, unfortunately, the situation does not teach, although there are examples when turkey is a nato member again, there is a russian plane there, according to the data we have officially. flew into the airspace of turkey for only 6 seconds, and was already shot down here. this is the reaction of a country that has been at war for less than a decade, and there, both the military and politicians are used to making decisions instantly, there is a threat, there is a reaction. the poles hope it will happen again the situation in 1939, i don't think, if the russians go on the offensive, it will be much more powerful, there was a german offensive on september 1, 1939. did the ambassador of the russian federation, who was summoned to the ministry of foreign affairs of poland, ignore this challenge and said

that first you prove that it is a russian missile, then summon me to the ministry of foreign affairs, well, that is, they, they completely demonstrably demonstrate that we flew in your in the sky and we will fly, nothing, no one will stop us, nato is still afraid that they will have to use the fourth. or the fifth article of the nato statute, and well, having such resources, why are they afraid to respond to the russians? well, as far as resources are concerned, it is not so optimistic and fast , and nato is now vigorously starting, has already begun to prepare for a possible russian aggression, and at this stage, they still do not have enough resources, as they think, later, perhaps their activity and their eh... the ability to make quick decisions will be much higher, but that's later, at this stage they

try not to disturb the russian bear, if he just got insolent there already from the point from the point of view of military-political understanding is strong enough, still they try to come to an agreement or pretend that nothing happened, i want to remind our colleagues in nato countries that in the 1939s and 1940s the situation... the asset of such an aggressor , hitler, risking and sacrificing certain small countries, but everything led to the fact that practically all of europe was occupied by german troops. history repeats itself in a spiral, if they have forgotten about it, let them remember and understand what the russians accept only force in response, no talk. well, yes, they understand one language, the language of power, nothing more, this in principle

encourages the defense forces to strike at the temporarily occupied crimea. on the night of march 24, the defense forces hit the control post of the black sea fleet of the russian federation, two amphibious ships. at the 13-wall repair plant of the black sea fleet of the russian federation in sevastopol, the large amphibious assault ship yamal was hit. the ship's damage is critical, the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense reports of ukraine. the navy of the armed forces of ukraine said that during the missile attack on sevastopol , the russian reconnaissance ship ivan khurs was also probably damaged. as british defense minister grand chaps says, putin's illegal occupation of ukraine is causing enormous damage to russia's black sea fleet, which is now functionally inactive. mr. general. do you share the optimism that the russian black sea fleet

is now, as grant shaps said, functionally inactive, optimism, such a thing is interesting enough, everyone is looking at the half-empty or bottle half full in terms of whether it's empty or full, so the british people, they have a lot of optimism, i will say that we still have a lot of work to do. and as for the destruction of these ships and not only ships, in general the infrastructure that ensures the activity of the black sea fleet and powerful bases, this is primarily sevastopel, this is novorossiysk, these are the objects of our next strikes, this must be done methodically, constantly, daily, and the sooner and sooner we do it, the easier it will be for us. moments in the southern direction. mr. general, how reports the general staff

of the armed forces of ukraine, the russians are now storming seven directions of the front, 60 combat clashes per day, but we can see that in the last few weeks the russians have been quite actively bombing sumy oblast, sumy oblast, neighboring areas to kursk and bilhorod oblasts. what do you think this activity in the north-east of ukraine is connected with, that is , they are trying to create, as putin said, a sanitary zone between. russia and ukraine, in fact, they are cutting this sanitary zone from the northeast to the southeast. they they are cutting down what, unfortunately, due to the lack of the required amount of artillery and ammunition, we cannot oppose it with anything, that is why they behave so brazenly , realizing that we simply have nothing to fire back. well, how

likely is it that the russians can enter the territory of the sumy and chernihiv regions? as of tonight, the probability is low enough, but what will happen in two or three weeks, the situation may change, they know how to throw their troops in any direction quickly enough, as this showed a historical example, the last 10 years, and they succeed in this, when it is necessary to divert attention and disperse our forces between the east and the north, just what they can do. according to british intelligence , the kremlin plans to create two new armies, and the british say that these armies will be created in 2024, and on march 20, the minister of defense of the russian federation, sergei shuigu , confirmed the intention to create such armies, which he said will consist of 14 divisions and

16 brigades. the exact type of location and the composition of these subdivisions is not specified. and it is not yet known, in fact, where these armies will be, which or which way to go to ukraine, or to enter ukraine, what these two large armies mean for the armed forces of ukraine in 2024, this is a serious enough threat, but it must be perceived that these armies may not all be aimed at the territory of ukraine, these armies may be concentrated. in the baltic direction, and that's where they can start aggression, as far as the baltic countries are concerned, or just, you know, armed provocations and a powerful psychological pressure on nato countries. i wanted to ask you, mr. general, about the rotation that took place almost two months ago,

and before this rotation of the large command staff of the armed forces of ukraine. it was said that the new command should present some kind of plan for 2024, almost two months have passed, what has changed in the ukrainian army according to your observations and whether it has changed, the question can still be changed five or six times to the commander-in-chief and his team, if the economy does not work if the leadership, the political leadership the state is not engaged in the preparation of mobilization. resources, if the fortification equipment of the area is not carried out to a sufficient level, then there can be no military issues, because they are not magicians and cannot do, you know, such miracles that create a miracle, because that is what politicians want. the capabilities of the armed forces depend on three things: time, economy and people. and

the task of the political leadership of ukraine is to provide for everyone. with these resources of our military, then you can set something concrete and demand something concrete. mr. general, thank you for the conversation, it was serhiy krivonos, reserve major general, former first deputy commander of the sso and ex-deputy secretary of the national security council. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us there now, please take part in our vote. today we ask you about the following: do you believe that the terrorist attack... in moscow was organized by the federal security service, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, vote, or yes, no, eh, and write your comment if you have an opinion on this we would appreciate your comments if you are watching us on tv then please call if you believe the fsb was involved in the terrorist attack in moscow (0800-211-381 ), no, 0800-211-382, all calls

to these numbers are free, at the end of the program. we will sum up the results of this vote, then we will be in touch with oleksandr hara, diplomat, expert on foreign and security policy, center for defense strategies. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, mr. sergey, congratulations. let's start our conversation with the terrorist attack in russia , which took place on march 22, and we can already see how in the current situation putin is trying to... use this tragedy in order to change from the role of the aggressor to the role of the victim, and at the world level, to create an image of russia as countries victims of terrorism and a country that defends itself from terrorists, from terrorists and things and from those who, as putin said, cut a window for them on the russian-ukrainian

border, which absolutely looks like a delusion. how do you assess this situation, how much is this story helps putin to reestablish active contacts with the world and, in particular, with the special services of various countries. with the special services of civilized countries, well, you know, now there are different versions of what happened, i think that it is definitely necessary to reject and not even consider the ukrainian trail or the cia, what russian propaganda is doing, trying to bind us and the americans, well actually certain circles are those who are supporters of conspiracy theories in the united states of trumpis. they also hint at it or simply directly tie it, although it is clear that there is no fact of this, and by and large, it is possible, i think

there are three such versions, that it is actually an islamic state, well, with afghan subjugation, because there are a large number of them, to be honest , it is difficult for me to say, i am not a specialist in the middle east, but if this there was an attack. really islamists and the fsb, the all-powerful fsb in a totalitarian state failed the state , it is clear that this, at least for the thinking part of russians, is an indicator of the fact that there is a powerful facade, the absence of rights and freedoms in the name of security, but there is no such security, and of course , which is a factor that may play a role in the future not in favor of this regime, the second point is if... they knew, but allowed it in order to use for their own purposes what happened, this tragedy, and of course, to try to connect it with ukraine, to show

that for to fight terrorism requires additional powers, fewer freedoms, which means the death penalty, which, i think, after these unfortunates who were caught, and i have no sympathy for terrorists, i have, let's say, doubts. that these people were actually involved, at least they were the core of it terrorist attack, and the third option, of course, is what the fsb itself could have planned, this is also called a false flag operation, i.e. impersonating someone else or for a different purpose, and all three versions seem to me to be quite valid. regarding, well, we know very well that the americans and other western countries warned the russians, primarily from their own citizens, but also through closed channels that a large-scale terrorist attack was being prepared, and it is difficult

to imagine that the special services did not listen. did not check on their channels what it is is planned, you are absolutely right, that in addition to trying to connect this terrorist attack with ukraine, there will be other things, one of the options, it is true not with this administration, but with... with the future administration in washington, rather all trump, they can say, look, we 're fighting a greater evil that is a direct threat to you, so let's copy how we did with previous administrations, i want to remind you that on september 11, 2001, putin called president bush, supported him , and then she was very close cooperation of special services, military, even on the territory of the russian federation. there was a nato base, an american base that provided logistics, that is, military operations in afghanistan, i am not talking about providing air space for american

transporters, that is, all this was, and of course that putin will try to use this card so that ukraine does not so important to you, we're not a threat, we 're dealing with our security issues, but the needle is definitely something that you, that you should deal with, despite the fact that... trump here solemnly declared that egil is over and there is no more threat, here, but it seems to me that there is still a very important, important point, this barbarism, the kotsap barbarism, well , we all know it in ukraine, and actually we have already seen it during this war since the 14th year, this cut off ears, and squeezed out eyes, which means torture, genitals, that is, all these are a complete set of the russian world, which is traditionally. yes, we still have evidence from the times of the soviet union and the gulag that all these tortures, let's say, were used. so this can be

an important moment like this. in order to let's put it this way, those who are supporters of islam in a more radical form have become even more radicalized, and of course we will now see witch hunts, everyone who is, well, i won't name representatives of the north caucasus, central asia, you know how great, as the katsaps call them, of course there will now be efforts to push them out, maybe some... sanctioning pogroms to push them out of the country, and of course that this can then be reflected in radicalization and the continuation of terrorist acts, and it is clear that this will upset the russian the federation is in chaos because it is clear that we are the biggest enemy, all the forces are drawn against us, and of course that russia does not have enough forces to react to such things, so in the long term, it

will be much worse for the russians themselves , they will have to pay for this barbarism, and finally, to be honest, i was surprised that gil took, let's say, responsibility, because yes, russia said that in the 15th year it was going, going to syria to fight in general, but in fact they were fighting to protect the regime assad with the forces that were against this regime, and i'm not sure what they destroyed a large number of sigilians there. and precisely because of the direct confrontation of igil , well, i simply did not see it, at least in the information space, so this is, let’s say, a new line of tension with this organization, and it is clear that they will fit, especially for such barbaric things, especially on holidays, holidays times for muslims, especially this hatred that is now being generated and will be directed

against. of the islamic minority in the russian federation. mr. oleksandr, well , it is not completely clear whether it was a department or not, it is also something else question, because in the country of the russian federation anything can happen, that is, i will not be surprised that they can say one thing, show another, refer to some sources of the department, something else there, and disperse this topic, although the president of france emmanuel macron said about the fact that france... also a threat loomed over france zidil, he convened the council of defense and national security yesterday because of the attack in moscow, but what surprised me the most in this situation is that the whole world started talking about this incident in crocus city- holi and about the fact that there is no place for terror on planet earth, but... the country that is

a terrorist in this situation, that is, it commits this terror on a larger scale every day on the territory of ukraine, that is, they kill hundreds of thousands of people, they kill on the territory of the ukrainian state, they simply destroy cities completely, they the level of terror has long been exceeded by isis and hamas, in general, it is the state that has put it on... on such a, as, how to say correctly, on the production flow, that is, when they use hypersonic cruise missiles, airplanes, various types of weapons against of ukraine and is engaged in this terror, such international terrorism. why, when sympathy is expressed to the russians , why do we not hear these sympathies every day to the ukrainians, when

these russian terrorists ... destroy and try to kill us, you know, i would add, besides ukraine, this is something that is not in the newspapers , well, the katsaps kill syrians every day in the same way, that is, the war there has not ended, and they are like in a shooting range, dropping bombs, killing peaceful syrians, and therefore they have forgotten about syria altogether, it seems to me that this is typical of, you know, our 20- oh, the end the disease of the 20th, early 21st century , which is... the so-called spin, when there is news, it spins for 24-48 hours, everyone is horrified, and then they forget and switch to something else, secondly, well already the violence that is happening in ukraine has become normalized, because children and women are killed every day, the destruction is happening, that is, it is already such a background, well , what is new, it is just a continuation, for two whole years, and it is a war, although in reality it has been 10 years, yes and only ours...