i say that sanctions are working, but here there are problems with avoiding sanctions in relation to, for example, energy resources, and oil is coming to india, coming from russia, by sea, and they are bypassing the sanctions. general lut spoke about the fact that they found an opportunity to circumvent the sanctions, we should know that there are ships and yachts standing in italy. which must be frozen and confiscated, and most importantly, at the moment we must not only defend, but also ensure the implementation of sanctions. thank you. thank you for this comprehensive look at the possible consequences of the current situation. ambassador fried, let me ask you: yesterday we listened to admiral bauer. one of the points

he made, i'm not quoting his exact words, but he said something like this: it looks like russia is capable of producing enough weapons, as we thought, so we're saying the sanctions are working, but we're also seeing that russia is making... more and more missiles that are aimed at ukraine, at ukrainian civilian infrastructure. once again, the question is what did the west do wrong, where was the mistake in russian policy. we will have a long confrontation with russia as long as the... is

in power even after, whether you call it containment or whatever, we cannot go back to business as usual, as it was, we tried, we failed, and now we we have consequences to deal with. western europe is now reaping the rewards of its misplaced hopes for russia. who have been there for probably two generations, and they are beginning to understand that the baltic countries, poland, and the ukrainians were right, and they were wrong, we must proceed from this, regarding the essence of your question, sanctions work, but they will not work so quickly and effectively to help ukraine really on the battlefield for.

it is necessary to give weapons, the problem here is the us congress, and this problem was discussed earlier, it is trump, i will not say what explains his position on ukraine, sanctions are working, but not with the speed and effectiveness that are necessary. look at the sanctions against the soviet union: the soviet union continued to produce military products. the military-industrial complex was normal, but the social sphere was simple rotted, and at that time in the 80s of the last century it looked like the sanctions had completely failed, but in retrospect, if you look at it, they were quite successful. of course, this understanding cannot help ukraine at the moment. so, when we talk about doing something to make the sanctions more brutal and implement them realistically, that's absolutely a valid point. but we could

do a lot more to make the sanctions more effective. the main idea is this: we, the countries of the free world, must be well aware that we have long, long years of confrontation with putin's russia, and we should take it seriously so that we are not distracted, distracted by some other things, let's say, we should not think about... but this is a more important issue, so we need to turn our backs on europe and ukraine and focus on china, no, this is wrong, we must simultaneously deal with this challenge and what is happening in ukraine. i could go on, but i tried to answer your question briefly. well, if we have sanctions, but also give ukraine weapons, maybe this approach will work. i would say yes, one of the most conscientious and determined

officials in the us on military aid to ukraine, i worked with her, she was ... pretty hard on putin's russia, even before it became fashionable in the us. professor zelikov, one of the theses that we hear all the time here on the forum, if i am not mistaken, from representatives mainly of the baltic states, is that they, and many ukrainians share this opinion, among other things, that it is possible for... there is a lack of understanding of how to deal with russia, even now, when the whole thing has been going on for 10 years war with russia, two years, full-scale aggression, lack of strategy to confront russia, do you agree with that , do you think that is the reason why

the west is constantly afraid of escalation or provoking putin. i think people who haven't worked very much with nuclear weapons tend to underestimate their importance when you're dealing with the world of nuclear weapons, no american president could ignore that threat, if russia uses nuclear weapons, then... .the main responsibility for this will fall on the shoulders of the united states, so it is necessary, here it is necessary to plan accordingly . this means that us officials must plan how to wage a nuclear war against russia. i have worked on such

plans, and those who have not worked with these plans do not know what they are talking about. it is quite difficult. and a dark subject, so to speak, since every president of the united states since 1945 has carried this heavy burden, perhaps we often judge them as being too cautious, too concerned, but i would say that they need a little, you know, give what the united states is now preparing for a possible world war. we are now actively preparing for a possible war in three different theaters, now the possibility of a war in east asia or in china or in north korea, at

any time, we are now directly preparing for the possibility of a major war in the middle east that will involve iran and other countries, and we are also preparing for... a possible major war with russia, we have to prepare for all these wars at the same time, we can estimate that the probability of such a scenario is currently quite low and we have our arguments, but we have to prepare for it, we are at the most dangerous period in our history since 1962, when there was danger. one that probably many present and those in the hall have not experienced, and it is very important to understand the seriousness of this problem, the generation of 1962 is a generation that knew the war and that

threat, and this generation does not know, the modern generation of young . everyone is demanding that america develop an effective policy for all these theaters, which he said, and now we are playing a central role in shaping the far future of the world, regarding the digital revolution, the energy transition in the development of the future, the world economy and the new paradigm, which... mr. danilov spoke about, when the armed forces will be of a completely different kind than they are now, and here the united states has , should take a leading role in all these issues, which is very difficult, the ability and ability of the united states to meet

these challenges, and exaggerates our capabilities. real assurance of success in all these directions, this is partially explained. capabilities of our government to date, which in the last 30 years have been significantly reduced, especially when it comes to ours, this is a civil ceremony, we are trying to build a military-industrial complex, which everyone will envy, but it no longer exists in this form, and we will rebuild it. and it takes time, you asked a specific question whether america has adapted to the response to

the conflict that is unfolding in ukraine, and i ask myself whether we have adapted not only to this crisis, but in general to other crises that may unfold on a global scale over a long period of time, you said about three possible scenarios warriors, yes... you said that there could also be a wider war with russia, which will have to be dealt with outside the borders of ukraine, as you think, if if the united states were more active in the struggle of ukraine against russia within the borders of ukraine, then this third dimension would not have arisen, the war would not have gone beyond the borders of ukraine, i agree with that. i see it as a problem of global strategy, can we be everything and for everyone and

at the same time, no, we can't, it means that we have to somehow choose priorities and determine what is most important. i would say yes, in my opinion. the battlefield in ukraine should be the biggest foreign priority. policies of the united states today, this is my own opinion, i think that the consequences of this crisis will seriously affect the course of the entire history of the world, and in this sense i agree with what mr. danilo said, he said that ukraine is at the center of the world struggle, in which america also joins, he is absolutely right and correct that said, you didn't ask for the role. yourself, but you had such a fate, it is certainly a challenge,

but also an opportunity for this generation of ukrainians to be at the center of fateful events in world history that will be remembered for thousands of years. thank you very much for your, to you, you have a strong role, because you have. final word, and you also have to give us hope, what, what, in particular, i'll ask you, so what gives you hope in this view of the future? thank you, elena, for this excellent question, since it is a question about hope, i will answer in english. but before i start talking about hope, i will say a few words of thanks. i want

to say thank you in the way a ukrainian can do it. i am grateful to ambassador fried, who is a legend, who is a person who has actively supported ukraine over the years, his name is written in... the history of american diplomacy, and i, for me, it is a great honor, mr. fried, to be on the same stage with you , i want to thank mr. philip zelekov, whose philosophy is behind many of our efforts in the fight against russia, including how to use frozen russian assets to benefit ukraine. i thank you for yours deep ... thoughts and approaches that you talked about in this audience, in terms of strategy,

i want to thank jeff for his speech and participation in this discussion, i want to thank celeste wallender, who is a powerful leader, who in the ministry of defense supports ukraine, this difficult work, and she does this work on behalf of. kyiv security forum, i want to thank our partners from the pentagon, our partners from the state department, including our good friend victorialand, who are doing everything. important for helping ukraine. ukraine survived thanks to the bravery of ukrainian men and women at the front. thanks to their blood, ukraine survived, thanks to the incredible and unprecedented help it receives from the west for the first time in the thousand-year history of ukraine.

this is our thanks. today, the kyiv security forum is a manifestation of this gratitude addressed to other countries, it is precisely because of these reasons that we have gathered here with all our teams headed by arseniy yatsenyuk. the whole idea of ​​this forum is about the train, but also the struggle before the forum. we spoke with admiral rob bauer with offside and i had the opportunity to say that we are ukrainians. we can laugh, we can smile, we can talk about various important topics, but something inside us is pain, and this pain speaks, this pain speaks here in different messages,

including those that have been said. it is an important role for the director of the kyiv security forum to be the last speaker during our meeting, because everyone thinks that i will speak briefly, no, this is not the case, everyone thinks that i will present and make some closing remarks, there are no closing remarks, so that all of our conclusions are open and remain open for a foreseeable period of time, but i want to share my thoughts with you, i will use my notes so that i do not forget the most important things, as i often do, russia's war against ukraine has dealt a heavy blow to ukraine , we have already found ourselves, and it is difficult

to come to terms with this fact, we have... stopped in another ukraine. russian aggression violated not only the territorial integrity of ukraine, but also our humanitarian, cultural and informational integrity. millions of people found themselves in favor borders of ukraine. millions, now under the direct occupation of russia, suffer from repression and brutality. cultural and educational propaganda, which tries to make them russians, imperial russians, and in terms of its genocidal consequences, russia today turns to genocide, famine and

world war ii, trying to put an end to the ukrainian nation, the russian war is fundamental. changed the ukrainian political landscape, its consequences go far beyond temporary setbacks in the political process, the war fundamentally changed the entire spectrum of political stakeholders and undermined the basis of what we call ukrainian democracy, ukrainian active civil society. rose and mobilized for successful defensive efforts. these people are the most valuable asset of ukraine, and we lose them every day. the diversity of the crowd turned into the one and only voice of the marathon.

on another, regarding another struggle. the real media, which... supported freedom of speech, have very little access to reliable sources of communication, the role of the political opposition has been reduced to to an unprecedented low, the role of previously influential financial groups has fortunately changed and diminished, as has the ability to retain the so-called. the so-called pluralism of dependence, even the foundations of the church , were completely shaken by the war. the war changed the balance of power of interested parties and the rules of political competition in ukraine, perhaps the most important change is the reformatting of politics in

ukraine, the emergence of new influential participants. this new interested party, the new interested party, is the ukrainian army, and this concept includes much more than just armed forces of ukraine. it includes the military, includes. veterans, volunteers, their families, and an entire ocean of ukrainian patriots participating in defense efforts, from now on, many issues in ukraine depend on the actions of these important actors, from the situation at the front, to our victory in the future, from protection of ukrainian lives and existence to promising political forms and it is obvious that ukraine is doomed to live with a long-term threat to its security, and we can say that we

are fighting, and we have such a fate, but we must fulfill this role, and it is this fact that will determine what can be called a grand strategy for ukraine, a set of policies that will... ensure the long-term security and development of ukraine, despite all hostile actions and under any circumstances, towards ukrainian citizens and future generations of ukrainians. it is very difficult to overestimate the role of our army in the grand strategy for ukraine. and here a number of questions arise, whether we are able to form a stable. cratio for a constant military threat, are we able to form a military democracy, quasi-democracy, is our army

capable not only of defeating the enemy, but also of becoming a powerful powerful platform for the democratic nation of our statehood, this is the answer to this. it is very important that ukraine is strongly integrated into the euro -atlantic alliance, and the ukrainian army is integrated into the north atlantic alliance with its skills, knowledge, education, and its approaches, its understanding, the principles on the basis of which it fights today. the nature, the nature of ukrainian statehood is democratic and freedom. and democracy determine our national character, and it is this concept that is so close to us and so natural for us, together with another national

identity that is so unacceptable and threatening to russia, our grand strategy must include democracy, strengthening of the european union and nato, strengthening of transatlantic ties ties, victory over russian imperialism and the undermining of everything. what russian efforts to restore its military potential, and it should include maintaining the leading role of the west in global affairs and the creation of a world order that based on rules, law, justice and freedom for all, this is what pain means, this pain gives us privilege. have understanding and a clear understanding of what is happening. please tell me about this pain. speaker johnson and his team. please

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