some products come to us, then there is a simple illustration, so of course you can say here that the president of the czech republic, this is also an interesting thing, that he is a general, that he is a person who worked in the nato apparatus, that he can imagine the nomenclature of weapons , as a professional in different countries, where to turn, well, it can be joint work, again, it can be joint work, the united states, the czech republic. great britain, other european countries, they understand who should represent this agreement. we understand that weapons it is sold not only by the countries that produce it, but also by such conditional global military merchants, you can buy it, well, then you heard from president zelensky, he said that denmark buys a huge amount of weapons, it is not advertised, because it is the data, it is possible to do and then contact is established. decades for various

reasons, uh, and it's all simple, it's for business , by the way, that's why putin needed viktor bud so much, that he tried to save him from an american prison for years, yes, because it's a whole network of contacts in one to a person, because there are certain goods, if you can sell them, a certain nomenclature, only if you know the person personally and know for sure that this will happen, this person is a guarantor of his possibility even. states, even when it comes to the russian federation, i am not talking about other states, because in other states it is more difficult, but in the russian federation, you understand that there is a person who represents there, relatively speaking, the main intelligence department of the general headquarters, she most likely has the authority to sign some gray contract there, but with a democratic one it is much more difficult in the world, you remember, once there were incredible scandals, when during the time of president reagan, it was more difficult to sell.

weapons to the non-urgan rebels, the so-called contras, well, this was a very serious matter with serious consequences for the administration, because they did not want to advertise the participation of the american administration in these purchases, and this is always a huge problem for the americans, they cannot bypass certain procedures in any way, no way , because then people, people who dare to go around them, know... that they can get caught into a real prison, even if they did it with the best of intentions, just like you can't privately represent the president of the united states there, you can't be a special representative without authority, because it's a criminal offense, there's a law, and when during there during the second world war, there before the second world war, president rusald used this institution , they tried to put his representatives in prison because they are without positions there...

there are a lot of such things in the democratic world that limit the abuse of power, and sometimes they are they do not allow to do what the government itself considers necessary, to speed up the processes, to speed up the process, but the law is the law, well, on the one hand, unfortunately, on the other hand, maybe that is why the democratic world is effective, as a result strategically effective, tactically not very effective, of course, the mafia that rules russia can solve everything and everything much faster. so. yes, i would still like to pay attention to poland and return to it. the fact is that mykhailo tkach, a ukrainian investigative journalist, was detained this week tried to prove by his activities that there is a certain movement between poland and the territory of belarus, and that for some reason this does not raise any questions, in particular from that part of polish society, which... block movement on

the polish-ukrainian border, look, in general, you need to understand that this story is not about poland, ugh, there are no sanctions on russian, belarusian agricultural products, in general, why is this not of interest to polish farmers, because the amount of russian agricultural products that goes through poland is tiny and... this is not even possible compare with the volume of ukrainian products, which even transit through the territory of poland. on the other hand, already somewhere in the south of europe, these russian agricultural products can make up to a third of the market there, if not more than 40%, as in spain. ugh. and already in this way, it can really influence the interests of agriculture in other countries. because if

there were no russada products there, then there would be polish ones, well , they could go to spain, it's not so far, if you think about it, that's why all these arguments that ukrainian. economic products in large quantities displace polish products from the german market, this is a bluff in general , it does not displace, because most of our products now go by sea from completely to other countries, huh, and because polish products were also not, did not lie on the german market, this not so, but the russian market is displacing the spanish market, it just does not go through poland, so this is a completely different story, so in essence this story is related to the investigation of our colleagues from the ukrainian truth, it is related with moral aspect, if you look at the numbers , there is nothing in the numbers, if we are talking about poland in particular, but there is about the european union, and why only two years after the start of the war did european countries talk about the possibility of limiting the transit of russian

products, latvia was the first to do it , and before that no one talked about it at all, it's also somewhat strange for me, i can't understand it, to be honest. we keep saying that we have to weaken the economic potential of russia, while the russians calmly transport grain not to africa, but to the same european union. this is one moment , another moment, we perfectly understand that this conflict that arose on the border has a distinctly political nature, because it is not our grain that is the cause of the problem, ugh, but the desire of those people who organized this process to receive subsidies from the government and the european commission. and it's just something that needs to be said clearly, and polish politicians can't say it out loud for one simple reason: they have elections, and it turns out that both political camps have electorates among the farming community, and

the party of law and justice, because it has always been part of this electorate, and in the coalition that currently governs poland, the polish peasant party, but also... the silyan party is a party of farmers, and the defeat of this party means a blow to the coalition, this is the second moment , thirdly, this protest enjoys the absolute support of polish society, where 80%, and again, the prime minister of poland, as well as the president of poland, as well as politicians from the law and justice party, which is currently in opposition there, as well as politicians from the former citizens which platform, which is now the center of this democratic coalition, has to take into account two points at once: the fact that the poles support ukraine and the fact that the poles support the farmers, they do it at the same time. ugh. so what? we have not yet had such schizophrenia in ukrainian society

that we can throw stones at. we have done this many times. so it's true. and we can say three thousand times: " don't you guys see that this is schizophrenia." if. you support us, why do you want the destruction of our economy for inexplicable reasons, we we do not disturb anyone. then these amazing conversations begin, conducted by the ukrainians themselves, it’s just that we have letifundists, and in poland there are poor unfortunate farmers, ugh, who suffer from the actions of our agricultural oligarchs, although statistics show that the products that go through poland i emphasize, nothing goes through poland, transits, to poland, because there is a restriction that was introduced by the previous government, and it was not lifted unilaterally, illegally in violation of the decision of the european commission, but they did it, but even in of these products that go in transit, the products

of large enterprises are somewhere up to 40%, and 60% are the products of small farms, well, when these products are not allowed, these farms are really destroyed, in poland... huge agricultural corporations, which many times more, because these are corporations of the european union countries, and these holdings, it is known , are many times more than ukrainian large corporations, our so-called agricultural oligarchs are pale in comparison with polish agricultural corporations, therefore when ukrainians, i don't know how to say it , an intellectual, well, some ukrainians, talk all this nonsense. this reminds me of the year 2019, a story about how it was necessary to get rid of barih, well, you already got rid of barih, you have already eaten your heart’s content, why do you continue to eat from this plate a dish that does not smell very tasty at all, you are not making it up, and at the same time you blame the

ukrainian authorities , which is trying to solve this issue in favor of the ukrainian manufacturer, is that she is stupid and spoils relations with... the ukrainian authorities, the president there, to whom there is something to reproach the authorities for, we always do it, but i don't understand why, when the president of ukraine, the ukrainian government, have absolutely fair demands on a neighboring country, they immediately start saying, oh, they are such idiots, they quarreled with another ally , and we just have to agree with everything so that the poles help us, but this is not help, because if on the one hand russia destroys our economy, and on the other hand poland blocks our borders, and therefore also destroys our economy, then this is simultaneous the destruction of our of the economy, it cannot be said that... this is in favor of ukraine, no, if we reduce our economic opportunities, therefore, in this way

, we reduce the tax base, we reduce the possibilities of financing the armed forces, and there is no need to invent when even the poles say , oh, well, we will help you with everything in defense, that is our defense, the poles do not pay money, taxes for our defense, we pay it, and it depends on the purchasing power of our population, the purchasing power of our population depends on .. from the possibility of our economy , therefore every polish farmer, so-called or other participant of the protest, who stands there on the border and blocks this border, he acts absolutely consciously or unconsciously in favor of the russian federation, the president of russia vladimir putin and destroys our defense, he is nothing more does not, simply for another portion of money from the european commission, which these people did not earn and do not earn in the first place. integration of poland, receive these subsidies, it's great that they receive, i'm always glad for them, that i

it's a pity, subsidies to develop polish agriculture, i don't regret it, i still remember the times when i came to warsaw or krakow, and there were only french and german products in the supermarkets, there was nothing polish, there were times when imagine, and now, when we go to a polish supermarket, we see all polish products, it's great, i'm very happy, by the way. by the way, i went to a ukrainian supermarket, and we also see polish products, what else do you want from us, listen, well, give us a little at the end of a drop of sweet lemonade from this sour lemon, the following thought occurred to me: do not all these events on the polish-ukrainian border mean that, in fact, here they are, real negotiations have begun on the accession of our country to the european union and on the basis on which we... are entering there purely economically, well, look, we are now, by and large, part of these problems is also in

the fact that we currently exist in the regime of the european union, member countries of the european union, but this is an advance, but it is an advance, and the advance is very strange from this idleness the reason is that we do not have the same problems as the countries of the european union, but we have the opportunities that the countries of the european union have, we have the same green charter, but this will all pass, we really have to clearly realize that... when we become a member of the european union, we need such negotiations that would not create restrictions on the supply of our products to the european market for another 40 years, well, as some say in poland for 35 years, by the way, this was not an exaggeration, i just heard it , that it will be necessary to limit the supply of agricultural products of ukraine to the european market for 35 years, and why? and because we are two competing countries, it is very similar. the type of economy, both in ukraine and in poland agriculture is very developed, not in all the countries of the european union,

it is so developed, and our land has better conditions , better conditions than in poland, in poland , agriculture is developed on a very bad level, well, everyone knows that , this is a christmas thing, wait, what will we get out of this war with, they won’t take away, they won’t take away the black soil from us, you know, in any case you can to remove this production, you can throw a bomb somewhere, but you cannot remove chernozem. i'm just telling you about agriculture, we're talking about the european union, about the fact that we are both countries in the european union, you can read ukrainian or polish poets who praise peasant work there, and see that this work looks different in polish than in ukrainian poetry, otherwise, you understand, because it is more difficult for a polish poet to work on such a land than on a ukrainian one, well, i am not saying about russian poets at all that it is easy to work there, i leaned back there, okay, here, but that it's not called black earth, how to work there

, ugh, well, so all that remains is to flood the mountains with vodka and try to capture someone else's black earth, everything is absolutely classic, in poland the land is better than in russia, but worse than in ukraine, and that means it's competition, and this, that, and again, if we are offered restrictions, we have to demand subsidies, everything is very simple. subsidies that would compensate our industry and our agricultural sector, restrictions for years, not restrictions, but losses from the introduction of restrictions. so, they should be professional, tough negotiations, because if we say, yes, yes, yes, do whatever you want, whatever you want, as long as we join the european union as soon as possible, we will simply lose the economy, the poles postponed joining the european union for a couple of years until they achieved these subsidies to agriculture, why do i want this,

i am very afraid that ukrainian society with its willingness to vote for populists. will simply force any person who will be in power to, say, bring a result to the election, here i am and so and so so-and-so brought ukraine to the european union , elect me for a second term, and on what terms, well, what is the difference to you on what terms, you are in the european union, you wanted it, i did it, and if i resisted, it turned out that we are still in the process of negotiations, and you will not re-elect me, then it would be better without agriculture, but with me as the president of... ukraine, i am not talking about the office of the president, he may already be history at this moment, i i say, let's talk about myself, here i am the president of ukraine at this moment, and i need to be re-elected, and people say, that's how the european union will be, it won't be, and i have a choice, either to save agriculture, ugh, or to save my presidency, what would you choose in my place, i would save agriculture, but i'm a romantic, but you're a romantic, right, and

we are talking about the president, i don’t, i think , i would too, probably, i would save her... agriculture, but then i need a subsidy portnikov’s fund after retirement is big i could do good things if i am not elected for a second term, not only as an agrarian, but also i need a subsidy then, you see how difficult the situation is, so if the parliament may not vote for such a fund, and i will have to sacrifice agriculture, so just joking, but here i am showing you that if we are serious, if you approach of this story with populism, we will lose everything, we will be in the european union, but... we will not be a poor country, unable to be really equal in cooperation with the european union. tell me, what about nato, by the way, a short remark, the same story, or joining nato, there are any conditions, any bases, it's a feather, we need it here and now. nato does not offer competitors to the competition. so. nato considers

strategic opportunities. this is why the nato countries were in such a state when they... waited for sweden for two years in connection with the turkish and then with the hungarian claims, by the way, it must be said that everything is already next week, after all, i i think there on march 5, 6, 7, the new president of hungary will sign the law on the accession of sweden to nato, ratified by the parliament, and that will be the end of it, but what were the nato countries based on? primarily the united states. they believed that in this situation, control over the baltic sea, the ability of nato countries to fully control this space in the district of hotel island, the fact that they had relations with sweden, but not allies, is a huge contribution to the situation with the alliance, as well as with ukraine , if joining nato will be perceived as a contribution to

common defense, then this is the answer to the question, uh, absolutely obvious and... no one is competing with anyone here, because nato does not give out money, as you understand, well, it does , well , it is implied, on the contrary, nato demands money, let's quote the classics, the immortal quotes of president trump, who told angela merkel then, and 2% for defense, 2%, that 's right, it seems, which merkel i'm talking about now, gives percentages for defense in the budget, this is in contrast to the european union. which has to bring in money, so that's another story, and i just don't think we 'll get there that easily, but then the world is changing so much that we can only hope that it will. mr. vitaly, we have 10 minutes left, and a few words about what happened in russia these days, there navalny was buried, yes, it happened

traditionally, in my opinion, for russians , accompanied by the russian... special services, police, auto-zacs, there are already several dozen people who were detained, but in the end the procession was quite large, it was not 1 thousand people, and this demonstrated that slogans are not secret, for example, or putin is a murderer, or something else that the regime does not like, does not lead to the fact that everyone is packed, well , not everyone was packed, there is a certain number of people who... yes she was demonstratively arrested, but they came out to say goodbye and there was no disaster it happened, it didn't happen, maybe because it wasn't a mass protest. the government once again showed that there are not many people in society who have a different view of events than it, well , how many people were there, well, uh, well,

there were 10-20,000 people, well, it was so, different estimates, i saw hundreds thousands, but it seems to me that it is very optimistic, very, i think that there were no more than a few tens of thousands of people there, this is, you know, i would call it ... hybrid totalitarianism, uh, so it is, but here it is allows such things to a certain extent moment, we always compare it with the soviet union, and now we compare it with the soviet union of stalin's times, but now the question arises, and with which soviet union of stalin's times? the stalinist union , the soviet stalinist account, was different until 1934, yes. ugh. it was one soviet union. after the assassination of kirov, it was a completely different soviet union. in the soviet union, which was already ruled by stalin,

such alternative demonstrations could be held. in support of trotsky and against trotsky. workers, not some bourgeois, but workers of the putilovsky plant. ugh. demonstrations were held in support of zinoev and his. groups in the party, and it was the 20s and the beginning of the 30s, in the 36th year, the secretaries of the regional party committees took a plan for the number of those shot, this is a completely different story, because in the 28th or 29th year, if if you told the secretary of some bolshevik party committee, and you have to write a plan, how many people you will shoot this year, he would decide that you are crazy, in 37... it didn't seem like madness, it seemed like the norm, and only 10 years have passed, and 10 years have passed in russia from the 14th to the 24th, you see how it

has changed, imagine the next 10 years, it just doesn't happen in one day, so when we say, it's been a long time navalny and whatnot, maybe it’s not the emergence of an alternative, but a slow massacre of the alternative, because again these people gathered for navalny’s funeral, but remember, 10 years ago they didn’t go to the funeral, they gathered for demonstrations in support navalny in the center of moscow, not on her surroundings, there were many more of them, and now they are afraid even to come to the funeral, you know, and that's normal. uh, i'm not talking about this whole story with the handing over of the body, shameful, with the fact that they, we, yes, we found out

about the causes of death, can we find out? eh , to trust divya, if our intelligence is a thrombus, well, ours, our intelligence, i won’t even comment on it, i mean, was there really a body examination, after a thrombus a thrombus, well, who could ... trust, relatives did not insist on re-examination, they agreed that the person would at least be buried in exchange for the fact that they would not ask unnecessary questions, well, this is also important, no one asked this question at the funeral, as if the person had died , but he had not died, as said the president of ukraine in order to... uh, to refute here the statement of our chief military intelligence officer more officially and this person was killed, and i absolutely agree with the president of ukraine in

this regard, so for me this is not the beginning of any development of events in russia , and for me just a confirmation of the fact that putin once again showed that he can do whatever he wants and nothing will happen to him, because... because you understand, navalny, let's say, was a symbol of much greater social harmony than the war with ukraine, here we are they said that the russians , they do not oppose the war in ukraine en masse , there were no such actions in 202, at least in 14, that is a lot, do you remember the huge actions in 14, they were nothing did not change, but we saw a huge number of people who went out into the streets in all russian cities, there are not isolated pickets, where are all these people, that is. they are intimidated, they have left, they have become disillusioned with their opportunities, and now it is absolutely obvious that even the destruction

of a person who was there for many a symbol. some hopes, we are not saying now whether they are justified or not, but it was alexei navalny who was destined to become a symbol of these hopes for change, and these people absolutely sincerely believed that this could be the president of russia when, if the putin regime collapses, they are precisely in this role of his saw, and everyone saw him exactly in this role, i never understood why, for me it was a question of a religious nature, that people believe in this, but they believed in this and connected their faith with this person. for change , as, by the way, once upon a time, in the late 80s, early 90s, faith in change was associated with the person of boris yeltsin, yes, well, that is, rational or irrational, that's another question, but it was a question of faith, and now this person was killed in a colony in a terrible way with absolutely, this person sat for nothing at all, everyone knows that too, it's simple, because and

uh... she was slandered for wanting to destroy the existing order there, that is, for these 19 years, a person who, by the way, everyone she uttered these slanders in court as a witness, yesterday she was at a funeral, and after that funeral she was detained, also surrealism, the truth is that the person behind it, according to whose testimony navalny was later given this de facto death sentence, came to say goodbye to him. and was detained by the moscow police, surname zelenskyi, navalny’s operator, former fbk, so it happens coincidences, so they still arrested zelenskyi, you know, at least another zelenskyi, but at navalny's funeral, because they value this symbolism, they needed to arrest zelenskyi at navalny's funeral, that's all. solving the problem, and this

also says a lot, so in this regard, and what i wanted to emphasize, that this also did not lead to any mass gatherings, the question arises, what else should putin do in russia so that it caused a mass disturbance, it is actually an experiment, because there is nothing else that could stir up a huge number of people, the war is already there, it will die. the most popular opposition leader already has what he should do , eat 10-year-old children for breakfast, well , they will say that volodymyr volodymovich should eat something, he knows better, so this is what we are saying, in fact, we are talking about a tamed society, here this decade, exactly the decade, everyone could think why he started it with ukraine, from the 14th to

the 24th year. this is a decade of tamed society, the transformation of an authoritarian one country, this governed democracy , remember, we said that, which was absolutely disgusting, but under it you could live in a totalitarian state, under which you cannot live, it is disgusting, low, vile, inhumane, but they live and they can no longer do anything about it. in the 14th year, they still could not use the opportunity for change, and now there are no changes in totalitarianism, in totalitarianism there are only changes - the death... of the khan and some cataclysms that have not yet been observed. thank you, khrystyna, for this conversation, thank you very much, vitaly portnikov, and the saturday political club that will return to you is easy to guess. see you next saturday, stay with us.

greetings to the viewers of the tv channel, in the studio of ulyana panasyuk, for your attention, the final news release. russia continues to hit the cities of ukraine with rockets and mortars. on the night of saturday, the occupiers attacked odessa with eight drones from the black sea. they died as a result of the impact. seven people, including children, are also injured, and another 10-12 people may be under the rubble of the nine-story building, engineering networks are also damaged and boiler room, nearby houses, they were forcibly disconnected from heating, rescuers continue to work on the spot. at night, the russians also hit the kharkiv region with shahedes.