it is necessary that this economy is very important for the european union and for ukraine, for the help of not only the european union and the entire international society. it is closely related to the process of ukraine's accession to the european union. not only at this particular moment. we understand that this aid will be supported for a long time and it will help for the reconstruction of ukraine. and that is why it is necessary to carry out internal reforms in order to harmonize the legislation with the european one, in this process and all the time that this process will take, this there will be a moment for ukraine to do the necessary things. economic reforms so that ukraine

would be competitive in the future and when it, when the ukrainian market will join the european union. in your opinion, is now the time to deepen economic cooperation, specifically between spain and ukraine, now we need to establish the foundations, and in july our deputy minister, minister of economy and development was here, she was with a very large delegation, entrepreneurs, spaniards, there were managers, managers, of very important railway firms, firms which

engaged in security, cyber security, were introduced and we spoke with representatives of the ministry of economy, energy, and also: with ukrainian railways, and also with cyber security of ukraine, and they founded, and they began to establish, to make a basis for our cooperation, to make joint firms and joint projects that will be beneficial for both sides, and now we have to find where we can cooperate, for example, very useful, for example, er, the railway, we in spain also have such a different width, as in ukraine they have a different width, like other railways in europe, and we can also help ukraine to have the best railway connections, this is just an example, we can work in other sectors, for example, in renewable energies, this can help the development of the economy.

of the ukrainian economy, regarding the program for the reconstruction of ukrainian cities, you know that there is such a format, which is offered to many european capitals , to actually take care, as such a sub-investor , of a specific city, everyone can choose for themselves cities destroyed by russian aggression, chernihiv, for example, kharkiv, there is odessa, which now, especially in terms of missiles, you know, spain is ready to take care of specific ukrainian cities, reconstruction, i will explain to you how we can, before this war, spain did not have such cooperation with ukraine, such cooperation and reconstruction, development.

we have a lot of experience in such reconstruction in africa, latin america and the middle east, but we did not have such structures to carry out our assistance, and therefore we decided to do it through the united nations, which already has this one this experience, when the crisis began, the spanish government decided to provide aid, they did not provide it, now it will be 42 million euros, but we did not have any state mechanisms to provide this aid directly to ukraine, and our aid channel to transfer these funds to ukraine, we have chosen different agencies, the united nations, they already, they have horizontal cooperation that covers the whole country. for example, this is a very

big work, which is carried out by the un office for humanitarian aid, as well as the united nations national aid fund. er, who help throughout ukraine in social issues. we also worked with penut in various sectors in education and health care. we know that ukraine needs some kind of geographical localization, but we have to develop our administrative ability to help ukraine directly in these projects, we, we, we listened very carefully to what ukraine offers, and we, we think where and how can we do that, but now basically, we, we'd like to do that, but, but now we have to find

a specific point where we will apply our help, when we will choose some specific region and or a specific city, but this does not affect our cooperation in any way. we are involved in the process of reconstruction of ukraine at the first in the first cooperation conference in lugano and in london also we will provide a lot of help and the next conference in germany we will also provide help, another side, it is also a question of money, but more... about the social aspect, you know that because of the large-scale unprovoked russian aggression, many millions of ukrainians were forced to leave the borders of ukraine, we know how many people poland accepted, now some ukrainians are moving on from poland, today

there are ukrainians also in spain, what is their number today and to what extent are they involved in asylum programs, are they still involved? before the war in ukraine, there were 120,000 ukrainians in spain, and in europe they adopted a special statute that helps in all countries of europe, spain also joined in accepting ukrainian citizens, they are given residence, the opportunity to work, we also have developed a special mechanism to help... so far we have received approximately 1,866 ukrainians who have come to spain and we are ready to accept even more if necessary, but we think we would like it not to be like this, that the situation in ukraine

will improve, but we welcome them with open arms, and we feel that there is a great solidarity with ukrainians, as for social services, and we accept ukrainians, and this includes, they automatically have social protection, children go to school, and also they have some help, and different various aids, for example, aid, transport aid, to enter and leave spain and also, in spain you have to understand that we have a very complex administration system, and we have regional authorities, which take care of refugees, in our autonomies, they are are engaged in social security of ukrainians. we have a very large

decentralization, but all these services work for all ukrainians, which you, who live in spain, europe experiences from time to time. certain migration crises, we know about syrians coming to the european union, now this ukrainians, or here i want, how can i ask this question more correctly, do spanish taxpayers have a feeling in spanish society that those on duty, well, they are not migrants, they are more people who are looking for refuge, ukrainians, that they are somehow burdensome for wallets, ordinary spaniards, or is there no such thing? no, yes, i don't think so, yes, there are a lot of foreigners in spain, i won't tell you how many foreigners live in spain, more or less, more or less 12% of foreigners, but

there is no tension, between them and the spaniards, we, we want the migration to be organized we understand that migration is a necessary process and we do not like illegal migration. we want to avoid these these tragedies, human tragedies, this problem, we got to know it before other countries and the first wave of migration came to spain and we understood very quickly how we can solve it and we made a mechanism for cooperation, to whom, how we can organize these streams together with evrpeyce. there are still some problems, because there are, because the countries of europe

have different wealth and therefore they can to accept or not to accept migrants , we think that it is necessary to realize the solution to this problem with joint efforts, this model that we developed does not have its pros and cons, but it functions well and we will work with this model. i understand, now you work more in ukraine, but in a certain way you communicate with your relatives, close friends who are in spain, please tell me when they receive information about ukraine from the internet, from spanish television about ukraine, do they have any impressions , what is this war, is it far from spain? objectively, we are we are very far away, but our emotions, our feelings, we understand that they are... very close, we saw these terrible bombings of our cities and attacks on cities and

the spaniards felt it and took it very close to their hearts. the spaniards, i think, understand very sincerely what is happening in ukraine, but despite ours, we also saw how the spanish society mobilized, and people took cars and went even to poland. to take ukrainians, to take them to their homes. now the administration works better than civil society, and the administration is doing everything to help these displaced persons, but in spain, ukrainians are accepted very sincerely with great sympathy, and the spanish understand this, and polls in spain show that noventa, that 80% of spaniards still want the policy of the european union

to help ukraine continued, i, i will tell you, you know, even as a joke, the spaniards never agree, and only agree on this, that they support ukraine, which, after those words that you said, becomes clearer , from where in principle such consolidation at the government level, spain. in terms of military aid to ukraine. by the way, we are also grateful for the leopard that spain, one of the first countries that joined the tank coalition, gave to ukraine, it even seems to me that it does not matter how many leopards there are, the fact that spain participates in military aid to ukraine is important , or do you think there is potential to expand that aid today, given that, unfortunately, so far putin does not want to withdraw. their troops from our territory

sovereign, let me explain to you how it was from the very beginning, we can remember, before the aid of spain and the european union before the military aid, in our history we have never given military aid... to a country that is at war, we made this decision very quickly, it shows how involved our society is, and then we began to adapt to the requirements, to the requests that ukraine sends within the framework of our mechanisms, mechanisms, we started, at first we helped, the system, the anti-tank system vampas

then the systems for air defense protection, then the leopard tanks that you talked about, and other, other armored vehicles, we yes, we give what the ukrainian side asks us, and we also negotiate with our friends from the european union, recently in rheinstein . we talked and we took another step to the meeting and we promised to provide ukraine, new things that ukraine asked us for, for example, long-range boats, amphibious, and ambulances and anti-aircraft defense, but this protest continues and we we will continue to help to strengthen the military part of ukraine, in addition to bilateral aid , spain also invests 8-9% in

the european aid fund for ukraine, and we will also provide even more money, this will also be the case, and this fund will be provide 20 million, and spain also participates in this fund so that ukraine has everything it needs to defeat the enemy, the total figure, correct if it changes, 300 million euros, so from spain for military aid, or is it more? how much is military aid? all our help, if we add up humanitarian aid , humanitarian aid, some of our donations , funds, it is about 420, not 300, but each time more and more, according to the needs that ukraine has.

russia with its actions and its invasion, it completely destroyed and continues to manipulate the principles of the united nations security organization, this is obvious to us ukrainians, do you think in this context that ukraine's place in the new world is in nato, that, that's all free. it was said last july, it was confirmed that nato has an open door for and that the future of ukraine is to be in the european family, and just as it was accepted at the summit in bucharest in 2008, and ukraine's place is also in nato, and it is so, but the situation in ukraine today

makes ukraine's entry into nato is very, very difficult. we are doing everything we can to help ukraine join nato, and this is the creation of the ukraine-nto council, which raises ukraine to another level, and on the other hand, steps have already been taken to develop the compatibility of the military, the military of ukraine, the military, the military of nato. all conditions for ukraine's entry into nato, i also want to point out that nato does not provide, it provides assistance to ukraine, it is not a lethal weapon , but it provides assistance, and the involvement of nato with

ukraine for the long term, we see it absolutely clearly, here it is necessary to... separate when we talk about the future the acquisition of ukraine's membership in nato, you just mentioned military compatibility, we in ukraine have a joke that all the military equipment from our western partners, which is supplied for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine, is a zoo, because they are completely different, all these systems , and tasks of the armed forces of ukraine, make it all work for a single result, given that, to me. it seems to us that the compatibility is military, it has already in a certain way taken some certain forms somewhere, it is another matter really, it is a reform, because nato is not only a military bloc, that is , how long do you think it will take to receive an invitation, or it will happen in washington next year, i already

told you that the war in ukraine makes this process very difficult. and we do not know when it will end, this process has not stopped, but it has i want to add that we are not folding our hands, we are sending a message to russia that it is ours, our task and our determination to support ukraine, for example, the g7 declaration last july. and we agreed and spain, with other countries, more than 20 countries that agreed to develop our aid, in bilateral.

we want to have ukraine in nato, but we must follow this declaration, and we will develop our cooperation in training , in the provision of aid, it is not, it is not black and white, nato yes and nato no. the situation now as it is, and unfortunately it is very difficult to take this step, but we show our determination so that those who have to understand this, that is, russia, so that they know that we will not leave ukraine alone, and ukraine is not a member nato, but this does not mean that nato is removed from the security of ukraine, now there are threats from the kremlin... certain such threats, here i understand that you are a lawyer, perhaps you have the right not to comment on the statements of dmitry medvedev, yes, this is a person who is the secretary of

the national security council of the russian federation, who openly in one of his recent tweets threatening nuclear weapons in response to the future supply of f-16 and long-range takau missiles to ukraine from germany, all these threats are capable of scaring partners, as you think. will it receive, will there be a delay in the delivery of f-16s and long-range missiles given moscow's position, or does it not matter today? i think that it is necessary to start from the basics, who will say that there is a threat, with nuclear weapons, it is generally, the international society does not accept this, and you know, it is very important that somewhere, a few weeks before the start of the war, the countries,

five countries, the security council, said that they will not use nuclear weapons, that these weapons should be excluded from possible weapons. that the international community rejects this rhetoric about the use of atomic weapons, it is the same as playing with fire and you can't, you don't have to play with fire because here it's everyone's safety and peace in the whole world, so it seems to me that the other messages they send, they are very against is a lot of contradictions, any message that involves

the use of atomic weapons, we will not accept it, we reject it, not only spain and europe, society is rejected, i have a few more questions about the russians in closing, if you allow me, russia, let's not forget, is an active member of the security council of the organization: united nations, a country that has the right of veto and blocks certain resolutions within the framework of the security council , today this country demonstrates that it is able to threaten everyone, is able to talk to the world in an ultimatum, this applies, for example, to the grain corridor, and with this in mind, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi at the last general assembly with from the tribune expressed a proposal about the need to reform the entire organization of the united nations. we know the position. australia, australia supported ukraine's position regarding the fact that this circle of five members of the security council needs to be expanded, it needs to be made more representative and maybe russia

needs to be deprived of the right of veto, that 's australia's position, it is now clear. the position of spain, does spain agree with this state of affairs, it is clear that this crisis and we understood that it is a crisis, the security council, other, this, no we are only talking about the veto, and there are already proposals from various countries not to use the veto when it comes to such terrible things that happen in war, that is , to take away the right of veto, and we understand that it is necessary to democratize and expand it. .. the security council to better represent the entire society, it should represent all

countries, spain, for such reforms, because the security council must, must represent all countries, we want the security council to be more democratic in the sense that more countries entered to make it wider, bigger bigger greater representation of african countries, for example, and this will meet the challenges that exist in the international arena, and to impose a veto was much, much more difficult when it comes to humanitarian issues and people's lives, so people's lives and humanitarian issues are exactly what regarding the operation of the grain corridor along the black sea, today the russian federation is not represented in this joint work at all, and this was its agreement not with ukraine, it is now impossible, it was its agreement with the united nations organization on the one hand and on the other hand with turkey, today this

grain corridor in the classic form , which... we are used to, it does not exist, it does not exist, instead there is another alternative grain corridor, in fact, it is a route for military transport, so now some ships under different flags are used, we have an example in the last two weeks of the passage of four ships that were loaded with ukrainian grain and headed in the direction, according to their destinations, spain, which is the recipient of ukrainian grain, including me now i may...' be wrong about the volumes, but this is also an extremely important thing, and here the question is not what spain is doing to ensure that this grain is transported, but whether spain sees the future of the grain corridor without the russian federation, that is, here the question more about the principle, it is very complicated, it is not as simple as you say, not only two

alternatives, not only this corridor, which was in accordance with the black sea agreement. spain is developing the same corridors of solidarity that allow the import of grain, somewhere around 60 percent and other products, we not only depend on the black sea agreement, we created: an alternative to this corridor, a sea corridor that allowed the export of ukrainian grain, and we have been working for almost a year on this topic to do this when, when the war began, spain launched a pilot project for the export of grain

to spain, by rail, as an alternative... way that to those problems that are created in the black sea, as far as the black sea is concerned, this is a tragic situation, that this agreement, that russia has withdrawn from this agreement, we hope that we can restore this one ogodu, it would be good for the millions of people who are currently suffering from hunger and from the food crisis, we have. this problem and aid, we also did a $236 million initiative to help, to help international food security, in spain there is just such a hub for aid to west africa, and we have to find a collective way to find some way out and force... look for

other alternatives , you talked about this alternative, to go along the danube, also to expand this opportunity to go along the danube and also to strengthen these corridors of solidarity that already exist and to open new corridors that other european ports can open, mr. ricardo lópez arandaja. we are extremely grateful to you for taking the time to talk with us, and i personally am extremely grateful for your openness, you did not show your attitude and did not hide your emotions today, i hope that this interview will also help our audience, our viewers, appreciate the full efforts of spain, which your country is making for the future victory of ukraine and for the future of the entire european continent and and systems.