[000:00:00;00] have you negotiated whether such a theory is, well, not acceptable enough for our european american partners . well, let's go, that is, i'm here with a theory. i'm not ready to consider the theory like that. how many russians are reacting ? i think there are a lot of factors. integrated into a single system, including forecasts regarding the development of the internal situation in russia, but in general, what was told seems to me that the main problem here is what we have seen now and what we may see after the discussion in how certain, well certain, will be formulated parts of the decisions are precisely that and in general that is actually called a hoarding about ukraine that is there is an important element that we have now seen for us when they talk about political guarantees ukraine is still not perceived as one of their own they do not perceive us as a european

country that is i mean, when the decisions were written , it was written that georgia and ukraine would one day become members of nato, when the same decisions were written , they did not write exactly that in the decisions, but there are certain decisions, at least such declarations perhaps they are not public, but you can find where they said that the officials were about sweden, finland, austria, ireland, well , a neutral european country. it was said that a neutral european country will become a member of nato when they want to. and there the question is not that they are ready, you are not ready, where are the troops or what are the logistics there . the main thing is that they are perceived as their own and they will become members of nato when they want, that is, not in who there is no doubt that these countries can be have the right to be members of the attack for us is still this formula one day it

will be changed i am sure that in the decisions of vilnius right here there will be another formula there already well there will be no repetition of this as the bucharest site one day there must be something like that. one day after the war, at least there, well, something like that after the rain on thursday. well, something like that should be said more concretely, that is, conditionally, when the spokeswoman of the white house announced yesterday that ukraine will be in nato only after will carry out reforms and meet all requirements, that is, in fact, it is said that the process is a constant, unchanging pdch all procedures are different and i still hope i had lunch , i doubted it should be removed, because in my opinion, if it is pdch again, then there is no sense for the president to go there

this is, well, this is a circus, this is not even close, it is clear that there is mistrust, there are claims, there is corruption and all that, but what has happened in the last year and a half, this bloody war and this and this is an ally of this, in fact, at the level of the armed forces all this, well, it cannot be ignored, it cannot be so that it burns again, it should not be . something was said that, well, there are certain problems, but ukraine was approaching the status that was given to sweden and sweden. unfortunately, it slowed down a little, but this formula is approaching the formula that ukraine will become a member nato whenever it wants well, whenever it can or when the necessary political conditions arise, at least something that would say that ukraine is our own, that we are our own for europe, but we need to work on this and i think it will happen, but unfortunately we saw what you said that even with side of the united states if earlier about bucharest the united states insisted that ukraine should become a member of nato and france and germany said no, now we see a different situation that

france and germany are sometimes ready to offer more than the united states is ready to offer and here the situation is really unexpected for us, but as written in one recent articles, where are the icons, we are there, it is said that now ukraine has understood what israel understood a long time ago, returning to israel, that the united states is a huge ally when the goals coincide, but the united states also has a huge restrictions on political actions when the goals do not coincide with this, one has to live somehow and now it turns out that the united states, for a variety of reasons, does not see that ukraine should quickly become a member of nato. while european politicians, european countries, even france they are more inclined to give ukraine a more specific offer to ukraine. and when we talk about this series of reasons, it is

precisely the attitude of the russian federation to the risks on the part of the russian federation as a country if in a negative scenario, where exactly does the american side have to bear the main burden in the military costs of the confrontation with the russian federation, and on the other hand, european countries, which are also trying to conduct their own policy , hoping that during the escalation, again, the main burden will fall on the united states states and then we understand that then the slow approach of the americans is now, well, actually dominant. he just restrains these statements from the ukrainian side so that directly to support the rapid accession of ukraine to the alliance, because zelensky even appealed to president biden, it seems yesterday in intersine, that is, now the monstrosity of america determines all these rules, so well , it seems to me that the main thing around which

the policy of the united states is currently layered is that during this russian-ukrainian war there is no detonation of any nuclear munition if it is unacceptable , not even a single test, even simply, it is unacceptable and all these fears about escalation revolve around this, there are certain steps not to do anything that could make one nuclear country think that it was attacked by another nuclear country. that's right, the united states has incomes up to a certain limit, but there is a certain limit. it seems that it has been agreed upon by someone for a long time and it does not cross, but on the other hand, i do not rule out that there may be such a situation that was in august, september, october of 1991, when we remember this thing or kinky people, so when you say that no, no, don't leave because that's because the escalation is all that, what topic do you mean from the soviet

union and then september or october as there was only a fundamental solution to the issue of nuclear weapons control and further disarmament. the united states said that after a month and a half they said that they would measure the independence of ukraine if ukraine voted for independence, that is, the situation is changing, but now we see this policy and feel what israel felt e- when a democratic administration comes to power, there are always certain problems in israel, because democratic administrations try to come to terms with wounds , and with reality, they are always somehow alive. now we see such a situation that forces the united states to be added somewhere under the carpet, it is possible to negotiate with the new government in russia, you can and well, i can't say what is happening there, but we all see it, that now we have the united states well, they are holding back a little bit and

are holding back themselves and the question of membership in nato has reached the point where the united states has to say the word , say so on. we are the president of this site. and if the formats do not change, additional agreements are created there that do not provide security guarantees, this means that now there will be such a certain disappointment in ukrainian society that we are fighting together in the ukrainian military to restrain the russian federation, but the attitude of europeans and americans is so cool enough to the aspirations of ukraine, this is precisely the reason for such disappointments regarding cooperation with the alliance and the united states, may be such a consequence of precisely this of the summit, well, this can happen if the information policy is constructed incorrectly. i think that in a practical sense, all the same

, all the same, except if we don't talk about this, there is such an element of mistrust that feels well, more specialists feel uh, well, from international politics than just the public will not be able to see that there is such an element of mistrust. we are not like sweden , you understand. not everyone sees this element, but everything else . i think ukraine has been given many different tools there, and with the right construction of information policy, well, we can say that this is almost what israel has, here we can say, i think there will not be such a big problem here, but really those who are directly in contact with international politics, well , such a device will have an unpleasant aftertaste from the fact that we are not completely trusted. well, that is we have to live through it, come to terms with it and improve all procedures and improve our own state or be at the level of sweden so that such questions do not arise, you mentioned putin in part and

then there is such a theory that we really it turns out that before there they were afraid of the forces of the russian regime, and now they are afraid of the weakness of the same putin from the point of view of the fact that this is precisely connected with the weakness of control of the main challenge for the united states - it is the control of nuclear weapons in particular. and then the question arises whether then the russian federation will not use this to apprehensive the american side, fueling the theory that it is putin who can ensure further control over the country and then, in principle , stimulate these negotiation processes, which took place in part from consideration there on in a recent publication, the spokesmen of the national security and defense council of the usa said that we were not involved in the negotiations that some american representatives had with the russian federation, including possibly in the matter of nuclear weapons control. well, it is such a negative element that the truly sunny states are well, here, too, it is necessary to understand that if there is chaos in russia, then

someone, someone in the world must take responsibility for maintaining stability, and no one wants to do this now, if in 1991 there were enough international forces that were ready now unfortunately well, just because of the negative experience of working with russia, everyone knows that one day russia will still say that it was destroyed and robbed, and you can’t interfere too much in russian politics , that’s why they don’t want control. and indeed, putin is using it a little, but i think now this factor is already being used well, in such a regime that putin must be left, the forces that come after putin are being used, they are saying, well, they are asking to give russia the opportunity, well, to give these forces the opportunity

to get into power and to to get to get in power, they need well, they don't need a humiliating defeat by ukraine, that's what this factor exists for, i don't think that anyone cares about putin anymore. he has lost, lost authority. india is clear that now there is no one right now to replace putin , but i think that all the international the forces are working with those who will come to power , the good news is that those who are trying to come to power in russia, they understand that you cannot come to blackmail, you can go to promised de-escalations, you can talk for example, if we come to power, we will ensure strategic stability, this means that no one will be intimidated by nuclear weapons, but in order to come to power , they can say that earn money so that we do not lose in ukraine, and here it will be a difficult choice for the many-headed. well, yes that is, in fact, if we are talking about the fact that the defeat of russia should not be humiliating, then the second element is included - it is exactly the management of escalation

, management of escalation is the determination of the pace of the supply of weapons and the determination of military-technical assistance as the main an element of influence on ukraine and then, on the one hand, it seems to create the conditions for control over the collapse or reboot of the russian federation. and for this process , the ukrainian side has to pay quite significant sacrifices, because we will fight more slowly without those things that we could this really creates such a serious internal challenge for the ukrainian side, as i understand it. well, it seems to me that this is the main threat that if those forces , it should be said, anyone who comes to russia , not in a democratic way, because democracies it is not important there, after all, we must understand that democracy in russia is impossible , that in the near future a more constructive force may come to power there, and any more constructive force that comes to power will ask the world not to have a humiliating defeat

of russia and with well, they will certainly be counted there. of course, you can say. and where are you going? but if these kuds and koms have nowhere to go, they will still prove that without, well, without a certain maintenance of ukrainian territories, they , well, it is impossible to get the situation in russia, well, this there will be a difficult choice then. i think there is still time and there are opportunities to convince our partners that anyone who comes to power in russia is in fact frightening. well, they exaggerate the risks of chaos in russia, they simply exaggerate them in order to come to the authorities in order to obtain certain preferences, but one must prove here that these risks are exaggerated, and they are the opposite of chaos in russia, well, they give a certain perspective if we coordinate efforts with china, for example

, we have something to work with. thank you for an interesting conversation, but only the conclusions are enough still alarming because it actually means that the work of our diplomacy is expensive and there is still work to be done, including understanding these challenges in the relations between the united states and the russian federation. hedgehog, experts of the national institute of strategic studies, but against this background, ukraine has the ability to ensure control over security and its own forces , taking into account certain developments that our developers are currently demonstrating on the battlefield in including in the context of the demands placed on the nato countries, what exactly is happening, what things i am talking about, we will find out after the information break . literally in a few minutes, so

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of the ground forces, the creation of an integrated anti-aircraft missile defense system , the development of long-range fire weapons digital networks that allow you to quickly and safely transfer data in the field. and actually a logistics component to transfer large armies across europe. so when we talk about all these five directions, there are e-e solutions in the ukrainian armed forces, which are rated very highly in nato countries if you read their specialized publications or even popular publications, american and european, where it is mentioned how ukraine conducts combat operations on the battlefield and where it gains advantages using these so-called digital solutions representatives representatives of nato countries include such a system called nettle, it was created in ukraine, it significantly

increases the efficiency of the use of our units on the battlefield, and we will now talk about this development with our guest . oleg, the head of research projects of the volunteer organization of the army, is joining us. good afternoon, i would like you to tell our viewers what is the advantage of this development, which is actually thanks to the work of your team . principles use this system and talk about the fact that if it didn't exist , they would be deaf and blind, and they actually paid for the fact that there is no such system with their own lives , so i would like you to tell in more detail about how this system was created what does it provide on the field

? why is it so important? well, the history of dill is already quite well-known in the 14th year. it started as a volunteer project of digital maps, then in collaboration with artillerymen , ballistic calculations were added. then with signalmen the possibility of data transmission via tactical communication and so the organic system gradually smoothly without any decisions was clearly integrated from below in the general system of management of the armed forces or even the armed forces themselves did not really notice how it happened at the level of the military itself among the advantages of the system, i would review i will tell you the path taken by the system. it is precisely its accessibility and massiveness that is not found in any country in the army of the world. as far as i can tell, almost every officer, every soldier, not only

an officer, has access to digital maps, but thanks to the prevalence of digital communication here, first of all, the starlink technology. we received the actual creation of a single information model of the battle space, which has and was available to the ukrainian armed forces at the time of the full-scale invasion, and this is the uniqueness of this system, because in terms of components , there are similar systems and our enemy and our allies, and in general, what constitutes a nettle is precisely tens of thousands of users and the presence of other relevant infrastructure , including those responsible for the distribution of training and so on. this is unique at the moment in the ukrainian army, in the ukrainian armed forces, what is it that our allies and enemies are studying, but at the same time

, i can’t help but ask you, in principle, now, well, this is our second conversation, and you are a supporter of not talking about who developed this system, do you feel any risks for yourself, or are there any nuances related to certain security ? well, the decision to be non-public was made at the beginning of a large-scale invasion

, this is primarily related to the risks of cyberspace, that is, there is a full-scale cybercrime, trying to compromise the accounts of developers after developers are hunted. it is not necessary to send a spy who has physically taken possession of these codes, it is enough to do some specific actions e-e with the information space on the internet and we send this market very seriously , that's why we decided not to publicize it in social networks, not to give public interviews, only limited to release this information, in principle, in narrow circles . in fact, the armed forces themselves, which are also actively developing and implementing nettles. that is, it is a collaboration of a large number of people . tens of thousands and i already think about the hundreds of thousands

of tablets that are used by fighters in various branches and types of troops, and the question arises whether the system itself should be adopted for service, or exactly these procedures for adoption, they are from the past, they are now restraining factors what do you think about this ? well, the answer is this is a complex question, that is , it would be wrong to say that the information protection procedures there are out of date, because these procedures, they are quite relevant, they are standards of the international type and only 27,000, if i am not mistaken, and other things that are dictated and these are quite strict standards that are difficult to fulfill even private well , there is no private company or the armed forces, even without a neck, information when the neck is already imposed everything becomes much more complicated, therefore, the issue of full

legalization and harmonization of a system such as nettle, which is a decorative plant that made its own way. this is a difficult issue that needs to be resolved. but again, it was a decision made consciously by the armed forces and the developers that it will be gradual, that is, in parallel, work is being carried out on the official adoption of the system of integration into the general management system. of the digital system of the tactical link of the armed forces of ukraine, but in general, do you feel proud of the fact that you and your team have made a system that our military

and even nato partners rate very highly they talk about the fact that they do not have such a thing, what are your feelings about the background of such assessments well, i will say that of course there is a feeling, well, i am proud of my work but again , there is an impression throughout the team, that is, we understand that we are simply doing what my job it's just work, that is, the fact that we can be useful armed forces is, well , this is the main thing for us , that is, everything else is secondary. by some kind of pr or a stroke like that, that is, if we can be useful, this is the main award of the entire team

, what it is actually based on, and of course it is not. there is no comparison with the fighters who pass on. that is, we are only doing our own small business, as we think so however, it is against when one of the art units was formed and one of the commanders of this brigade told me about you what is being formed, do you know if you know the developers in nettles, i said that i know , i gave your phones and they later they thanked me for the fact that it is actually difficult, the team provided courses urgent training courses for these officers who then convey this to their subordinates because this direction of mastering the nettle well, it is also extremely important that your people provide a new one although you did it there and variations there you can watch it on youtube, but i give credit for the speed of response to the request from our units. well, i was pleasantly surprised

. well, i’ll tell you that it’s a nettle . i want to believe it, maybe it’s too loud words that it’s such a national thing, that is collaboration, self-organization of ukrainians, it manifests itself, including in this system, when it was created there by specific people, specific developers, now it is already living its life before us , gunners are also direct developers who give tasks to programmers and so on. its volunteers carry out training. the name of the drops, it was just there, they invented something ukrainian and so on in 2014 , but the essence is that it is like a wild plant that stings and so on, and it is very repulsive the essence of this system. that is, it is already a collaboration of a large and large number of people. it is not possible to single out all of this in general, and this is