[000:00:00;00] according to the forecasts, he was with us on a call from warsaw . and now to kishenev kishenev, let's talk with the moldovan politician of the political age that the parliament of the republic of moldova called the call to prayer . i congratulate you . for your sake, see the evening . we talk a lot about the transnistrian crisis , which by and large does not exist except for moscow's statements. and what is happening in the country itself , let's say that in a free territory, as far as it is possible to talk about obtaining stability, the republic of moldova is enjoying an unprecedented support this is felt not only in the social and economic sphere

, because they helped us over the winter, thanks to the help, we were able to provide social support to the poorest of the poor. unfortunately , this is reflected in the political support of the republic of moldova. with the help of the european union , i forgot that the budget of the national army was duplicated . i understand that the special services of ukraine and moldova are also cooperating and everything is being done in order to preserve the political stability and will not allow the implementation of putin's plan, which is based on the idea of ​​towing the political crisis in moldova and achieving early elections so that later, as we say , polytechnics in the state interfered in these so -called elections, of course we know who you introduce yourself to the so-called fifth column

, which now, uh, from illegal sources organizes the financing of the so-called protest actions, indeed, these are not political protest actions - this is an element of that hybrid war when the russian agents they use illegal financing, and they mobilize the most olympianized population, which they do not lead. what are they doing to participate in these protests, but i want to emphasize once again that there is no mood in society for the overthrow of power, and people have experienced a shock with inflation, tariffs, price increases, etc. and so on, but in such moods as to expect that ordinary citizens will storm the building of the presidency or the parliament or the government there

. of course not. the main condition for the preservation of political stability in the republic of moldova is the military and political defeat of putin's regime in ukraine, and in this situation we will certainly face these demands when our poor fugitive so-called oligarchs, well , the usual will, for some reason they are generally called oligarchs, will ask where to stabilize the situation, we will face these demands, not to mention the fact that our government criticizes us and deservedly criticizes us because we have tied a lot with the reform of judicial justice system of the prosecutor's office a-a there can be many explanations, but the main thing is that the system shows clear resistance, and how

do we say that earlier they said that lenin died, but let him live, now we say that the poor man in drav, but his people continue to fight against the current authorities and in this situation, of course, there is a sense of anxiety in society, but i am inclined to believe that the situation will be kept under control and putin's plans will not be implemented . the language issue is very important for ukrainians. just this week in the parliament of moldova, there were cold fights for voting on changes to the constitution, which concern the so-called moldovan language, the state language, the erasure of the terms official moldovan language, and also the elimination of the state holiday a-a, which is dedicated to the native language, but on the other hand , historically, how do they explain what is actually

moldovan language as such does not exist. so how is the issue of these changes to the constitution concerning language actually perceived in moldovan society? we do not have a constitutional majority, we only have 63 votes, and for amendments to the constitution are needed at least 67 times, but earlier the constitutional court made a decision that this language legislation is outdated in our country and , accordingly, it has lost its force, and we use this legal hook for creativity to pass a law on the official name the language was the romanian language, where did this artificial problem come from, and everything is very simple, on october 12 , 24th, in kharkov, the former capital of soviet

ukraine, a decree was adopted on the creation of the moldavian autonomous soviet the socialist republic as part of ukraine and the communist dialogue declared that on the left bank of peter a part of the moldavian socialist nation flourished , and in bessarabia between the prut and dniester rivers the rest of the moldavian nation withered under the yoke of the romanian boyar occupation, and accordingly it was considered that we moldovans speak the moldavian language, not the romanian language. er, natural graphics are cyrillic, not latin. in 1989, the situation was changed, and in the declaration of independence, which was adopted on august 27, 1991, it appears the term romanian language well, then these retro-communists came to power, our agrarians and so on, and they included in the constitution

such a norm as the moldavian language based on latin graphics, but at the same time we had parallel realities in schools, including from teaching children to study the romanian language and literature from there since the 90s, this is despite the fact that, for example , the communists had a constitutional majority after the elections on february 25, 2001. as for example in the official language of austria is german, and children in schools in austria study german, the literature common to germany, for austria, but uh, when we decided to still put points on the topic in order to bring them in accordance with the norm, all these documents contain the name of our language

opponents of muscovites, uh, opponents, because i can tell you, the party of socialists at the 16th congress on december 30, 2020 included in its program an obligation to write about the problem of transnistria on the basis of primakov's memorandums, no more, no less. this memorandum by primakov is liquidation . it was signed in moscow in 1997. the liquidation of the republic of moldova as a state and the creation of a treaty confederation with the role of russia as a guarantor. which has been around for a long

time. these demands will bring us back, they will die out and have no real effect, but in principle, we are still talking about the situation with transnistria , excuse me that er, transnistrian leaders can be used as er, i would say provocateur from the point of view and destabilization of the situation in moldova itself and from the point of view of destabilization of the situation in the south of ukraine, as far as it is possible in general, the new revengers, i call them leaders, these are puppets in a square on the one hand, these are puppets of the sheriff, and on the other hand, they are forced make curtseys in the direction of moscow when he receives instructions from there when i speak puppets of the sheriff, then you are perfectly aware that the so-called transnistrian conflict for 10 years was a cover for

a regional network of organized crime with the involvement of corrupt politicians who engaged in smuggling on a particularly large scale. and when , on february 24, 2019, our poor guy in quotation marks agreed with viktor gushan from the sheriff company, the left bank, the left bank, the right bank, you know, we have such a conflict 36,000 people were transported, each person received 400 lei and instructions on how to vote in order to influence the outcome of the election in the parliament of the republic of moldova. moscow was displeased, she was somewhat discouraged by such a large scale, but nevertheless, it was a real fact that spoke about the increase in crime. to moscow yes there is ignatiev eh to become he also as a krasnoselsky citizen of ukraine ignati born in odessa for as long as i remember and when

he receives eh instructions from moscow he podgavkivaet gebbelshu where sergey lives lavrov, but don’t hide behind it, don’t hide from the real threat, i repeat a thousand times until the ukrainian-ukrainian army stops putin’s aggression, so here are the statements of the russian federation that allegedly ukraine wants to attack transnistria, these are all attempts on the one hand to distract attention this is what is happening at the front on the other side of the attempt to create tension behind ukraine and to add a little oil to the fire in this uh-uh in our internal political confrontation

because the russian fifth column is already on for more than two months, at the direction of the kremlin, the idea that i am the president is being thrown into the information space, this is a war, my president is sandu - this is the president's nato, this is all absolutely clear, and it comes out to me zakharova, whose salary is not enough for a normal skirt, and the fifth column says something here pick up, so to speak, we brainwash our fellow citizens, but you are talking about a real threat today, in my opinion, eh, the special service does not bother me , of course, but from what i understand, as they say today, the real threat does not apply что всё решается на фронте and why did parla moldova in the end only now decided to condemn russia's aggression against ukraine, and this is preceded by the fact that there are some threats that we talked about before from russia, er, to

moldova, or some other reasons, do you see our sides i am a parliamentarian, and it is difficult for me to answer this question. it does not reveal to you our domestic cuisine from the other side, e.e. moldova from the very beginning occupied moldova as a state. it took an unequivocal position . so on, the vote in the general assembly of the united nations and so on and so forth, we unequivocally supported ukraine, but i will probably reveal a little secret to you because i wrote the draft of this declaration, well , i smoothed it out a bit. we confirm that the republic of moldova is facing its own aspect of threats inherent in hybrid

warfare, so this declaration is in addition to the fact that we expressed support for ukraine and expressed support for the international tribunal, expressed support smoothly for mr. zelensky and recognized what is happening due to the torture of the genocites of the ukrainian people and the demand for the destruction of ukraine as a state. we wrote a little for ourselves there, for i know that there is clearly a hybrid war that is being waged by russia against the republic of moldova, and for us this is important in order to have such a political legal document on the basis of which, on the one hand, to neutralize this fifth column, on the other hand , to consolidate the citizens of the republic of moldova around the idea of ​​preserving peace in moldova, all

countries have their own interests, but it is good when it coincides with ours thank you, sir, together with gas on android, a deputy of the moldovan parliament in moldovan politics, a political analyst, we will be back on the air literally in a couple of minutes, the war raised its head again in europe , reminding us of the darkest hours of our history , a prank from 24 constantly covers events in ukraine , our team on places and in the studio will inform you about the dynamics of events, this is the most relevant from frantz 24 in ukrainian on espresso about what ukrainians don't think about, no matter what they talk about, it still comes out on top war war and our victory seven days a week from monday monday seven different spheres of human activity sports culture politics eight presenters of express journalists

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of de-occupation that on saturdays at 11:10 on espresso we continue the saturday politkov program on the espresso tv channel vitaly portnikov and angelika of the season good evening to everyone who joined our broadcast simply now my personal favorite part of our program has come, when mr. vitaliy answers my questions at the most interesting pace for a whole hour of talking, you know, it's everyone's own priorities , it's a shame if you don't like this part, i'm a little sorry, but i think you also find it interesting . of the week and we will start with rammstein, which has already been dubbed legal, and it was held in lviv , and prosecutors general and ministers of justice from all over the world were gathering here, maybe we joked with mr. vitaly that lviv is the capital of europe, now here

the first persons of our state and neighboring states are converging, and mr. vitaly, why now is this the so-called legal rammstein, how were the issues of bringing putin to justice discussed, this is an element of political pressure on the hand, because you and i understand perfectly well, we have already discussed it, what for in order to bring someone to justice, you must have jurisdiction over the country you accuse of war crimes, and we discussed that there are two models of real prosecution of a war criminal. the first the model is the jurburg model when you occupy a certain country and you can simply arrest its leaders as war criminals and bring them to justice, not even under the domestic law of that country, but under specially developed legal procedures that may not, in principle, correspond to your own national law. this is what nurberg looks like many german war criminals were brought to justice by german courts under german law, but it was the main leaders

of the reich and the national socialist workers' party the parties of germany were prosecuted for a specially developed procedure, but the allies could arrest them and bring them to the tribunal, and there they had the power . well, we know now. no one is talking about the possibility of such an outcome for moscow . another formula is when the state itself recognizes the difference russia does not recognize the tribunal, and when the state itself is capable of handing over its citizens to international justice, russian legislation does not allow it, even if you imagine that the regime changes in russia and some the government that considers putin a criminal can judge putin only according to russian national legislation or change russian internal legislation yes. and i think that this is a constitutional norm so that citizens

of the russian federation can be extradited to other countries . they allowed it to be done, and the law of all of russia does not allow putin to do that, not even because he has immunity as the head of state, but simply because he is a citizen of russia according to international law, nothing is for money, like all other citizens of the russian federation who commit war crimes if they are on the territory of russia. here they cannot be species. israel once conducted a special operation to capture a nazi criminal like it did in argentina because no one was going to extradite him you know that israel should have provided indisputable proof that it was eichmann, that he was a war criminal. and by the way, when this was done , many countries, and from the civilized world , condemned israel, they said, well, what about you?

you destroy rights because today this person can be captured in argentina, tomorrow it will be possible to somehow buy another person in israel, well , that did not happen and everyone, i would say so, silently agreed that the person who can actually be blamed for the death of 6 million people is, so to speak, outside by all these simple procedures but again, eichmann is not putin, nazi germany was defeated , he was hiding in argentina, he was hiding, he was not an argentine politician or general , well, obviously, so in this regard, of course, everyone these efforts look, first of all, i said declaratively . but russia must see that there is an international consensus regarding its war crimes. this is not just a meeting. you are driving criminals

cannot be brought to justice, it is possible that the processes that will take place against them in absentia cause, say, eternal sanctions, eternal sanctions against a state that does not want to extradite or try war criminals, make it easier to confiscate the assets of this state if it is not ruled by war criminals. that is, this is the moment of the political struggle itself. the world is working against him, and he is trying to show in this way that he is against the whole world , of course he personally does not care, he knows for sure that he is not in danger from these people, he can only be in danger from his own entourage if she appears but he simply understands that such actions close certain political opportunities one way or another

we have to think that he is crazy there, well , a politician like that has questionable levels of competence, questions of the level of adequacy, but in any case he evaluates these events understands that if this happens, it means that the west continues to be hard-headed, that with every day of the war, the west does not capitulate, but increases the turnover of countermeasures, that this can lead to the destruction of diplomatic relations and any other economic relations there that those people and those countries that can now one way or another lobby for his interests, such as hungary, it will be very difficult to do so if there are court verdicts that it will be increasingly difficult for such countries as china or india to maintain legal economic relations with them when there are court verdicts and not just a decision of the european union

or the united states of the landing states that it will no longer be a matter of unilateral sanctions , as china likes to say, but of a decision of an international tribunal that will be implemented by the justice authorities of certain countries that can in in principle, then impose some arrests on some companies that collaborate with war criminals, that is, this process continues in the wrong direction that putin wanted or putin wanted to move in the opposite direction, and this is an element of such a political confrontation. a long, tiring war with ukraine and he sees a perspective of 3 to 5-8 years ahead of him, so he thinks in such categories, he does not think that he will be in kyiv tomorrow, but he will be in kyiv by 2030, and the western show is not yet there. in 2030, you will be in in kyiv, you will not be in kyiv

, but in gas, in 2030 because we are also moving, here you are moving and we are moving, we are moving towards each other and it is not known where we will meet you think that we will meet in kyiv and we think that you met in gas and that it's to a certain council, no matter how much you don't care about it, but it destabilizes you a bit when it's that, you know that our president here said on this rammstein that putin should receive a specific sentence for crimes committed on the territory of ukraine on his orders, it's rather just his our common desire of course, desire or reality? well, you have already partially answered this question, but then why is the president appealing to this as a politician, as the head of this state, or as a person who firmly believes that it is possible ? the president is trying to be a symbol of morality for the west. chose for himself in february of last year, does he adhere to it, is it related to specific legal

decisions, no, but no one said that reality will not change, it is changing ours , although already several times and what seemed absolutely impossible becomes possible immediately from from the point of view of today's realities, putin cannot even be present at this trial as a defendant, even in absentia, because from the point of view of all legal norms, he enjoys immunity, at one time there were incredible situations when even former presidents who had diplomatic immunity were delayed and then their had to be released, it was with the former president of chile, augustus, you seem to be a general, you were detained in london on an international warrant issued by judge baltazar garson, who prosecuted him for crimes against humanity which were apparently carried out during the rule of pinochet and he was eventually released. it was a long process. they believed that he could not be

detained because he was too much. because he was carrying a diplomatic passport, the british thought about it for a long time. e generals of pinochet as a former president and current senator of the republic of chile, well , in the end, a legal formula was found that allowed him to leave great britain without violating the warrant and status but putin he won't go anywhere, he won't be able to teach in general his views about his historical role, which allowed him to believe that despite all this, he can fly to london with putin's such jaffa chivalrous notions of conditionals.

he did everything right, he fought communism, it should be evaluated, and well, he is just a person of a different school. of immunity putin will be the president of the russian federation as long as he can be, that is, as long as his health allows him until 2036 until the rest until 2036 because he will be years in 14 years 84 and we are now 62 it seems 70 70 70 plus 14.84 if he lives until 2036 in 2034, the constitution will be changed so that he can continue to lead russia. he will die in the presidential chair in one form or another. if he suddenly moves from it, then to a position that will also preserve the contours of power and immunity, so it is believed that this person once with

from the point of view of current international law, there is no reason to be sued, but the law may change because the times of war are ahead, and not only russian-ukrainian, and we do not know in principle how it will change, how international law will adapt to these years of war, the death of thousands of people, the occupation of large territories, the confrontation of crises sabotage , all this will be absolutely obvious, and we will hope that he will be a witness, although at first participants in the hands of the russian-ukrainian war, and then witnesses of others, and then, if we are not in nato, we will still be participants in the next of the russian-ukrainian war, all this can happen under putin , if not him, if he does not disappear , so in this regard, international law can be adjusted to the fact that the person who leads russia is just a criminal , you won't cut anything here, let's see, and then president zelensky's opinion will be completely embodied in life, although i will reveal a secret at this moment the president of ukraine may be a completely different person, because zelensky's term in office , even if it is two terms

, will have ended a long time ago, because we are a democratic country and president zelensky, you will investigate this process against putin even in absentia as a private person together with his heir, who will also be a private person, and mr. vitaly, you mentioned putin 's health, after all, and the russian mass media they wrote that putin was so enraged by the investigation about him, apparently, i don’t know, we didn’t hold the mistress kabayeva and their children, that they were all there with putin , and in some residences, in some one of the residences, in a bunker, they were hiding there , it seems that january of this year is meant and hmm they said the russian content, why did he have a heart attack there, he is already lying on the incense there, he is not breathing . so why are these throwaways because, well, almost every day some yellow press writes that putin is dying, that's all