the, the business, the, the news africa coming up on the program. that's the soft us out africans. and that's why it's only who, who failed the victims of a policy, meets the movements now that the ladies protesting against being shot out of the countries to the reconciliation process. dmc government says these are the ends. do you have demonstration and go home. also coming up in the democratic republic of congo is the end of an era as the you enforcement of school pulls out to who will protect the people now and cannot lead swear in crushing form either london mouth or not just one or 2 victories on terrorist of church or smashed the

wealth record snatching is pro my own mental the i am eddie micah junior and you are welcome to the program 30 years ago. so it has started a fall south africans. the countries fast to democratic elections brought an end to apartheid. and decades of violent racist whites might not be too. so the advocates for as governments led by nelson mondale, i chose to press you forgiveness over persecution, introduced the truth and reconciliation commission. prefatory tests and victims of violence and human rights abuses could give testimony and requests amnesty from both criminal and civil prosecution. but till today, thousands in south africa still few let down some of them elderly such as others

who often 4th apartheid demanding reparations for the crimes. the suffered ass down whole, col, reports from johannesburg as the what they say is applied to justice on the state. so, so that's because constitutional members of the movement for spent the last 5 months camping here in the port states. they say many victims of a particular crimes of being ignored, even though the government has a fund with a $100000000.00 us dollars for reparations. number actually up with nazis, the groups leader and says many of the members missed out on the truth and reconciliation process. i feel is down and i feel that the government is looked doing and it just is not all new to me to use in a what a victim in south africa by not allowing the by not even

creating that platform because i feel like it's a pie one is a healing is a healing, is assist you to speak out, to be listened at, at, at the same time, to be at least the last. when i say say she was beaten by a party police while working as an activist, back perhaps the most painful school is the loss of her brother. she sees you was murdered by the army. 1993. during the vigil for liberation active as chris hon took about a week look know we way use with about these boards and to i had to go to the government which was in to miss the way i found it, pecked off a clubs, the dead bodies with pets like a like a bag of cement on top of in order to get to know hughes body. i have to ask, oh,

so depressing was we can good. can you help me because i feel like my pride that you may be among those when i see these days wasn't able to investigate that says the organization, the cool money support group has a 150000 statements from people who missed out during the t or c, process improve statements, it says the government should consider that has been, it says many victims would not comfortable to speak out so soon off to apply to it . while others didn't have the means, the states and they have an honest with the way the to i see statement take is would be, i mean, it was true and back if you even heard of it. and then also because people had basically really destitute already at that time. they didn't have money to take texas to go to the statement. tickets. and there's really some very practical programs. we have documented this all for the department of justice because we

think it's completely unjustified. to disclose the dues when all this work has been documented and, and the floors are actually on the side of the state. she. despite the research and despite protein, the government sees it's too late to reopen the case. when it comes to the people that are currently living outside the constitutional court. are you saying that they should simply go home? yes, they can go and we're the one with that. but the, there's no need for them to to be that out in the quote on this thing. because an hour. so there is nothing that we can do. the payment history has the list is closed, the positions are done through the process of public and it will be a lot of people as to to open the list of the south african government sees it will use the reparation fund for housing, education, and health key for the 21000 people on the current list,

members of the victims group say, the only thing stopping the government from putting more people on that list is the lack of political will. off the decades of writing natives in lobby, they hope the physical presence at the heart of the justice system might shame the government into action. joining me now is he has main suca for my truth and reconciliation commission. hello and welcome to the program of them. with so many victims of apartheid not being had and still waiting for compensation that the t l. c fail. you know, i think the ti i see with a huge success and that is set to meet, but she was, it was managed to do in terms of the legislation. i think the failure to do with what we call the unfinished business of the truth commission. must last squarely at

the fees all the state and also the national prosecutorial authority because, you know, it has always understood that if people did not apply for amnesty, which was conditional or if they failed to get honesty, been a little would follow its course. and so in 1998, when the commission completed these hearings, it hadn't been a list of more than 300 cases, to the national prosecutorial authority. and of course, seem to speed it up. i would say 26 years. less than 20. are seeing the lights of day and that is why i think be looking at this question of what political interference they watch in dealing with these issues. right sir, you seem to be pointing fingers at the government. so let me ask you, there's a government says it's too late to reopen cases. is it really too late, or is it

a lack of interest to compensate victims of apartheid era crimes as the political will. and you know, if these cases had been investigated and these, but the traits as had been put on trial 20 years ago. mean, of course, i think you'd have seen more just as for victims. but because we discover the cause of forcing the state to do its job back, in fact they had been political interference on the part of the state. i mean about a modest toria really was switching plays not to embrace the game these cases not to prosecute these cases. and that is why so many years later, i think the victims are really struggling for justice. i don't think it's ever to date, you know, to deal with these cases. and in fact,

if you look at the 20 cases which we have been pursuing on behalf of the victims, we have a number of successful inc waste. and right now we have at least 3 trials we to ongoing and the courts. and i think this is the same as the many countries, including places like argentina and should a way prosecutions continue. many, many years data. i think the biggest problem, of course, is that you know, perpetrators of bossing on and of course the families of victims and dr. young, i've a and so this i think creating watson in boss definitely did quite an impass. can you really help me understand why on e and c governments that was part of the liberation that somehow suppressing cases of victims when you consider the which in fact, most of the victims that we're speaking all,

what people okay about the lives in the struggle for the duration it does seem rather strange. i mean, fact when one has us many amc stalwarts. one of the answers we've received is that, you know, if we prosecute, then they going to mon, private prosecutions, which i think really is a nonsense. but i think and more interesting response which i haven't received is that these are real still, that you know, many people who are informed as, as, as in most conflicts that they would be lost. and i think fact lives at the heart of why and, and the government didn't do with it. we had the cost of saying that if we want to get to the choose of why the investigations and prosecutions didn't happen, they need an independent commission of inquiry was to have the 4 weeks to call the

former president in big as well. because he didn't use the machine that tomorrow, tory and was put in place. right. so how often mistake can we be that the ongoing public activism and protest could force the government to address the issue especially had over elections as i think we have to activism both by the families of victims. and of course, you know, the foundation of human rights, which has been the primary civil society organizations, which is really push this question all justice will victims as a directions. and i think that we've been quite successful. but of course is a lot more work to do and we're good to have to continue with that struggle. i think the saddest thing of course is that now we have the intergenerational issue. we need the children who are very young at the time. the family man,

this was killed, went off taking off the busing. and you know that, that he's a told him that he's being bossed onto the children as well. right. um, let me get your thoughts on this quickly before you go. that's still so many victims of a pop, i'd still waiting for some form of preparation. what's your recommendation? what would you like to see down today to address this? we say that in fact, you know, on the question of reservations, base full money that he's missed in the prison spot and you know, the community that the rations was never really paid off. and we believe that the government really needs to look at this issue again. and what we've got to look at is what kind of criteria we can put in place to at least compensate the victims that are still alive. and the family members were needed. i mean, the case of prosecutions. we said, send up a special court, set up a quote with switching judges from the only job is,

is to deal with these cases and set up a team of special prosecutors for the boat to, to only dealing with these cases. i mean that way we can move these issues forward . right. yasmine suca form. i choose and reconciliation commission. i thank you very much for your time. i thank you. let's now go to the democratic republic of congo, where the un peacekeeping mission, when new school is leaving after 25 years. the pots are requested by the congolese authorities. that's worrying some people, especially in remote areas like the high plateau, a south cable, where in security passes use policy of the report from east and the see it looks like the communities armies are filed the season and the fights with one of the many. i'm group so baron thinking says cable but this is an exhaust

size. the name was again from pakistani bees keep pearls before the app to continue in the home. but on the 3rd to show us man our learning from a new sco, alimony scope. and we're preparing from a news goes departure, opportunity, budget. i'm so we're learning what we'll have to do after they leave it. i think it depends on what they've run through many basic techniques together. and by the end of a pro, the $120.00 basically for us, we leave them asians, the village up, and we can get to the community community to reach the quote was repeat, the signing includes accusation. so as the payments up sort just said i read, but the departing team sees something like that. they do. we are getting the, if we already see troops, we've been conducting the training for about 15 days. now. we bring them in the

basic one bedroom, basic uh, a normal safety precautions and dude, or turn link handling with the locals. and they are already since they have the locals. and if you already see it blows their locals and they are better than most and with a little bit of custom, envision, is it says a people living in this cam pulls up by just any contingent as being you have to protect since 2020 now some 2005 hundreds here is it for the kids or coming that conflict which found up again 2019 with fresh violence between differential cause groups. so then i've been forced from that homes. and mainly in the camp, i'll scab just use the peacekeepers defaults minnesota fema. visually, we are very sorry. what was that? what we're sorry to seem a new sco leave for about, but if you need to see, because we're worried that in security will return a little, they thought of the safety is up. we fled here, even though the congolese military was in our village,

not punk or lot. so we have no assurance that they will be able to protect us. like i'm a nurse, go did a bundle with dish called it does look like if any. so drills are leaving, these relates to the chevy for a base for the know when you score he's leaving, come go because the government ask them to go. so you need that schifflet's or these bites more than 20 euro things a country. so you install jail. so it'd be gone from south cable by the end of april and from the rest of the country by the end of the year. to come on this, let's bring in the pilot laws at e. w. correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. hello, paul. i called in to the withdrawal plan monday school will transfer all of its basis to come release authorities and security forces by how prepared are they to take over? yes, indeed, according to these transition problems which has been approved by companies october to like november, also bases and overall to community security policies. which means that police will

take over mainly in your band areas and city centrals. why is the company's army corps of pharmacy will be posted in a remote place? these we've, i'm good presents such as me think a while i was. so i don't want to predict anything on whether the communities of the capacity to own those of the protection of those bases ends of civilians when it leaves their we know that communities, i mean, so for us from on but then months and the lack of material about 2 terms of truth on my way back from me. king k, i stopped by his us. it's you have come on your la wells. the 1st one is go, bays was transferred to the police and let's february what i found is another place . and i'm not going to so who knows the area, police man inside the don't receive any surprise of food the seems money is go left . it was at least a case a week ago. uh huh. that's a has interesting doesn't sound like uh, a team ready to take over about. well, whenever i know how things go from here, also, what was interesting from your report is that some people are concerned about their withdrawal of new school. give us

a sense of how much supports that is for them with new school withdrawal. yes, you're in use, don't come go. we've got to do so. difference between people living and city centrals, such as grandma, where i stand now. and we might say we as the name on cheese that you've heard him . yeah. and those are people i've talked to were afraid of a sudden lawyer on says could spark again. but still still steve was pretty quiet tubs of my months though. up. no. so you need to be present, for instance, a really valued on config is to going on, tends on sales, done. so people to prepare different, different moves, go basically if and when you go tell peter is i really concerned to leave this place even though local authorities, as sure of the many policemen out to, they being trained and they'll be able to fulfill the victim. so here's the thing after more than 20 years of windows go security in the d l. c. buick, criticized by many. right. what main issues that people have against them as well before monday was call you uh monday which uh peacekeeping. nissan settled back in

1999. any changes to one east coast, that'd be the vision of the country was a to the mandate, but congress solely to change these updates extra. and of course, the blue and most can protect people, but the conflicts in different are we as why when you school was just kept going. and nothing was actually really stabilized. according to people who organized demonstrations, they were fed up to see trends, earls driving because i know needing a lot of money without any seeing any change. this isn't the least what i've been told. right? so people don't go go to waltz and waltz on teams and 23 and we've been group adults by rhonda. we boned from as she's elaine 2021 after being defeated in 2013 by the i'm on your school, but this time be to k to add of the new school. that was this, this was she said, that's a, that's a critic on. so which decided company is the privy to unfinished. you think you need to ags or withdrawal. so your social security forces on the ground has not

stopped the conflict between especially the m, $23.00 rebel group and come the lease forces. this has led to international calls for a diploma i think solution about how realistic is if you magic solution like i need to do a little introduction because the subtraction or run goodnight is getting worse and we're also hundreds of thousands of people are ref, pulse that homes and know, leaving cams around the city, close to a 1000000 people around like 20 displaced within so city which is today surrounded by the m 23. many falls through the piano and i'm talking about community service mess when i read the following proceedings. and i'm groups will kind of fall together, showing the president decided it decided to, to fight towards on talk study. the only way to a panel discussion today would be positive. run that for the done or take i me to re cognizance to parts of and twenties for fighters. and so it presents upfront that different for us is income go and then to a verbal of some of the company's thoughts. but as long as we do wednesday nights,

it looks like the situation will be just frozen kadelli a lot still to be source without power losses. daddy w correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. thank you. now east africa, not leads, way in dominance form of the 40 for the london marathon, raised us so not just one, but 2 canyon victories. and then women's tournaments, the reading and, and then big jump to you on a pad, a step child killed, victory. well smashing the world's record at time of 2 hours. 16 minutes and 16 seconds, wiping out the woman's only cost records set by kenya's mary chi tawny. in 2017. i signed up with you. so when you all made it a kenyan double with his victory in the men's race, now trail to jo, town long distance legend and a niece of the candidate through the streets of london, only to pull i had in a final calamitous antique immense race and church of passe eyes set going on. i'll

double in paris, take it as i know this, this was not easy. it was wendy and this, i know the ladies was wrong. so i told myself let me wait. yeah. and deal with the last 2 minutes. i'm feeling good. this is the last. it is okay. no tools that makes seem for them. so i was trying to pick a hub. i them, but i know know of the air from i think it's 5 years. yeah. and michael read little id id with you from. do you know useful? it's joyce as here in the studio had a lot of nice to have you here just central taking a world record from another canyon woman. mary. k. tiny, it's like weld record we made for them. what's the secrets of the success? opinions uh, tradition of math on runners and parents jump teacher taking this record. i mean just plays into the game because she looked up to mug cataneo when she was

a teenager. and was a, i don't have a mental and i was just taking the record from my is just continues like right on his hand in the bunch on over. but also just nothing new to the game. she was told she only begins milestone wrangle and meadow when a new mouse on we are both the mouse and when she's not turned to pause you one uh the loan demoss on last year to go this year. so it's progress or high and she could be a new 4th. another forced to do an empty games this year. so i was like, all she does is wayne wayne, window motto will invite it's not just that women team went in the men also enjoyed success. tell us more, alexander, i'm when you all can. yeah. defeated. you see what you're in good community. so i'd be too late to complete the math and also uh for one year. how did you get the title to his rich friend kelvin? keep to the guy who won the amount that's on last year, who unfortunately died in february this year. you know,

so it's kenya and kenya again that over and over again. so this is just the legacy of running in kenya is huge on the going into don't even pick. yeah. we were expecting that kelvin. keep to him. was of them a world record holder? yeah. would go come into the see and i really do christians, but he died. yeah. but his legacy lives on, you know, i guess it's fair to say kenya has a well the record holder in have it that's, that's spencer. definitely to put it looking at the success being chopped, to enjoyed by team kenya overall. does the olympic games coming up? what can we expect from jim canine? indeed, the advocacy, i think kenya has quality. all of the truck, you know, every new raise, there's a new name coming up on. you've called grids like a gift. you'll get still in the in line for the olympics. so we've jumped into the

defendant, jumped down in the, in the women's also. so you, you see, i think kenya still has it, but they'll be if you, if you're on the heels and gun the right, you know, and, but he makes a lot of interest in the loop and games as you in paris. yeah. just to be clear, nigeria has no chance any of this. oh no nigeria will be competing only i think in the women's hurdles and the women's them john. uh, but i think we have cuz magic has the waldrook or told any women's audiences if they know friday's the yeah. way in terms of that they hold onto that upright until team gone out takes, you know, that's where it goes away from you guys. well, this is the noun that my is news. i haven't seen any gotten in run. i was you of that. that's where we, it's the decision. that's what it is you expect. so when they got in and by jerry and tilting sports, and since i was going to be a little bunch i'm, i've been very my but here's the jello will at the i do me from dw sports. thank

you very much. thank you. and on that last note to me and the program, thanks for watching. see you next time, bye for now the

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